lore-discussion

[reef wigeon]

Did you also notice how he saved Sinnoh by facing the fucking concepts of space and time?

AT THE SAME TIME

[split mortar]

You can say fuck

Swears are allowed

[reef wigeon]

Sorry, the custom ;3

[split mortar]

[reef wigeon]

It's still stupid to censor bad words since others will understand it anyway LMAO

[cloud ibex]

no you cannot you will immediately be sentenced to death

sorry !

[split mortar]

Ah fuck

[dusk laurel]

bye bye

melon gunned

[split mortar]

I meloned my last gun

[pastel bay]

Knife the melon

[split mortar]

Im british, natural immunity there

[pastel bay]

Damn

[limpid saddle]

psst he has a critical weakness to improvised explosives

[hoary berry]

woah what? so do i!

[cloud ibex]

i think most people do

[split mortar]

I dont think thats a specific weakness to me

I think

Generally

Everyone does

[robust osprey]

well I am resistant to explosives

[solar wharf]

i can confirm btw, i sent him multiple pipebombs which in total has the explosive mass of 6kg and he's still standing

[covert blaze]

That’s just skill tbh

[manic coral]

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

[split mortar]

Fucking
Exactly

[cosmic zenith]

Here it comes

[manic coral]

ok thats all the input i have

back to making pizza

[split mortar]

What cal characters would dislike pizza

[dusk laurel]

yharon

hes probably lactose intolerant

[cosmic zenith]

You... you... goobersillies!

😡

Orbnommers...

[hoary berry]

[dusk laurel]

fearful

[hoary berry]

\😨

[limpid saddle]

Can I apply to join the Calamity writing staff to specifically write for Calamitas Clone & nothing else

[wheat walrus]

pizza

[vernal surge]

based actually

[strange kestrel]

is there a lore reason for endothermic essence, nightmare fuel and darksun fragment only drop post DOG?

[light linden]

no because they're being replaced

well

endothermic might not be

but it'll be from the distortion

[mighty zenith]

it'll be in the distortion instead

yea

[strange kestrel]

interesting

but there was a reason on the old testament lore?

before the yk

big rewrite

[mighty zenith]

old testament 😭

i actually dont know if they had any relevance

it was insanely random

[strange kestrel]

i like calling the old lore old testament

[young socket]

LMAO

[strange kestrel]

so, the lore of the terrarian is basically "your headcannon is true"?

[mighty zenith]

yes

[light linden]

more or less

[strange kestrel]

oh i'd write a paragraph about this but i'd be considered weird as fuck

[split mortar]

Yeah
Basically your OC

[reef wigeon]

So, can the Terrarian canonically be a professional engineer like Draedon?

[mighty zenith]

sure

its just up to you to explain how that works

or don't

who cares

[strange kestrel]

that would explain the motherfucking complex stuff he builds right?

[reef wigeon]

Yes, he does crazy things, but it seems that he canonically asks the guide

[split mortar]

We can also be a bumbling drunk just doing random shit and getting lucky with the hyper tech shit

[reef wigeon]

Or in Endgame, Draedon

[strange kestrel]

mfw the guide is omniscient

[reef wigeon]

Can my OC be a God?

[mighty zenith]

yes

literally

anything

you want

[split mortar]

The only thing is that they suck at names

[reef wigeon]

I will make a mod changing the names to how I want them.

The Terrarian is horrible at that.

[strange kestrel]

i like to thin that the terrarian is a god that was getting so powerful, that he became a threat to even the higher ups like providence and xeroc, and would be on par with the dragons, so xeroc simply removed his godly essence, turning him into the human we know as the terrarian, however, since godly essence doesnt just disappear, the terrarian slowly gets his powers back as he progresses, in the DOG fight whenever he kills you by touching his mouth hitbox, he says "Delicious", implying that he would be a god, although this conflicts with him saying "you are no god but i will feast on your ESSENCE" thus implying the terrarian isnt a full blown god yet, and needs to progress more, what i like to think is that the terrarian consumed the auric soul of the dragon of manipulation, this would explain why he can craft basically anything in the universe, and use it at his max

[reef wigeon]

I think I'll call the mechanics by their soul names, assuming those are their names.

[reef wigeon]

Hey, good news. Since the Terrarian is your OC, your headcannon is canon!

[mighty zenith]

[strange kestrel]

:D

do you guys like my headcannon

[reef wigeon]

The truth is yes, it is fun to think that Xeroc got bored of being a God (if that is what you had in mind)

[strange kestrel]

OH I EXPRESSED MYSELF BADLY

i meant xeroc gave the terrarian the goozma vip experience

and simply deleted him

but the terrarian came back

and when he comes back, and spawns with the guide

its his "awakening"

[reef wigeon]

Oh, I get it. I don't speak English very well.

[strange kestrel]

same, im from brazil

honestly the idea that xeroc got bored of being a good is cool too

but it would make some plot holes

[reef wigeon]

Honestly yes, but the Boss rush thing could be solved by the Terrarian being Xeroc from another timeline.

And that's why he doesn't give anything to her.

[plucky spruce]

lore when my terrarian headcanon is that i don't give a shit about meeting yharim

[strange kestrel]

LOL that's actually a good idea

[split mortar]

Then just
Dont go fight yharim

[plucky spruce]

in 10 years ill have that option

[fading helm]

Could just be a coincidence meeting tho

[strange kestrel]

my headcannon is that we are the essence of giant clam that congealed into a human body

[fading helm]

would be real funny if their whole interaction is yharim trying hard to get the terrarian to follow his ideals just for him to not care tbh

[split mortar]

Coincidentally goes to the dragon aerie

[plucky spruce]

my terrarian completely ignores the random voice mails that bosses drop and then suddenly meets this random guy with an armor

never heard of him

[strange kestrel]

this would imply that the terrarian is just blood thirsty and kills cuz he bored

[reef wigeon]

They are lucky, as mods exist and everyone can create them, so they could easily (as an obvious expression) make their headcannons exist in Terraria.

[fading helm]

The only universally shared characteristic between terrarians is the use of wooden prisons for your npcs

[split mortar]

Thats possible
-# also most bosses jump you

[split mortar]

And sucks at names

[plucky spruce]

well, thats canon no matter how much you headcannon the opposite

[fading helm]

Draedon is just a hater

[strange kestrel]

i know lol

[split mortar]

?

[plucky spruce]

?

[strange kestrel]

wait does this headcannon is canon imply the existence of the multiverse

[fading helm]

Like no, not really

[strange kestrel]

kinda like spiderverse and invincible war

[fading helm]

Afaik we dont even kill any sentient beings apart from maybe the lizhards

[plucky spruce]

that's

[fading helm]

and you can lowkey just headcanon an infiltration or sum

[strange kestrel]

devourer of gods?

[fading helm]

or argue self defense?

[strange kestrel]

you're saying DOG isnt sentient?

[fading helm]

mb, meant like

reasonable not trying to kill us

sentient beings

[plucky spruce]

that still makes them bloodthirsty, also bosses

[fading helm]

Not really bloodthristy

if tis self defense

[split mortar]

Sapient
And yeah most bosses are not sapient and the ones that are, often attack us first iirc

[plucky spruce]

also i mean, he is indeed, tresspassing

[strange kestrel]

we summon yharon and we kill him because WE want to

[plucky spruce]

it's like, going into a lion's territory and being confused that you are being attacked

[fading helm]

nope

in canon boss summons dont exist

[split mortar]

Whose territory are we tresspassing?

[fading helm]

yharon, calamitas, DoG, etc all find us out of their own volition

[plucky spruce]

the creature's territory

[split mortar]

Most
Like
A few are canon

[strange kestrel]

so yharon just goes to your front door and try to slime you?

[fading helm]

yes

[strange kestrel]

like worms and baits

[fading helm]

also he is a genocidal dragon too yknow

[split mortar]

So
Queen bee and aqua scoog?

[fading helm]

its not like he actually deserves to live

[fading helm]

I think he means lizhards

[strange kestrel]

he is?

[plucky spruce]

any creature from biomes really

[fading helm]

Yeah he was the main factor of the crusade that yharim did

which killed millions

[split mortar]

So exploring isnt allowed got it

[plucky spruce]

the reason why the monsters attack npcs but not each other, totally not a gameplay mechanic

[fading helm]

Thats just nature

mfers also attack first too

[reef wigeon]

I'll make a mod where instead of killing Yharon, he becomes a rideable pet at all times, since, well, my Terrarian will already be a God.

[fading helm]

well

most of em

and they are animals cmon

[reef wigeon]

If you're wondering how he tames him, he actually just tells him at the end of the fight that he wants to avenge him.

[plucky spruce]

didn't say it wasn't it's not like you didnt massacre many turtles for those scoots cuz the materials are useful

[fading helm]

I highly doubt materials drops are canon

like

[plucky spruce]

?

[fading helm]

the terrarian probably just harness a turtle for a shell

instead of killing 1000

for one

[plucky spruce]

?????

[strange kestrel]

cosmilite?

we literally destroy DOG'S armor and use it for crafting

[fading helm]

No I mean that you need to kill like 100 turtles

for 1 shell

I meant drop chances mb

[strange kestrel]

you attack the turtle and kill it so carelessly that the shell breaks

[plucky spruce]

i dunno, there's also the chance that it's just a shell that doesn't end up completely unusable after beating down a turtle

💥

snailing

[split mortar]

Dog wont drop cosmilite eventually

[fading helm]

Just aim for the head

[plucky spruce]

for real

[fading helm]

oh fr?

[split mortar]

Yeah

If it can be done
It will be a liquid in the distortion

[light linden]

ngl

I do kinda hope dog will drop something that can be turned into cosmilite but with a different resource from the distortion

[dusk laurel]

eh

[reef wigeon]

Well, it's really interesting that the Terrarian isn't the Terrarian, but us.

[dusk laurel]

id rather explore an ineresting place than fight dog again

[light linden]

I mean either way you have to explore

[plucky spruce]

theme of the terrarian

[dusk laurel]

this would be another ectoblood situation

[light linden]

just where you'd have to explore would be different

ectoblood?

[dusk laurel]

old material from the dungeon

used to craft extra ectoplasm

its now dead

[split mortar]

Ectoplasm but at 1/3 the effective use

[reef wigeon]

theme of the Terrarian?
Lyrics (instrumental)
Tuc u tuc u tuc tuc u tuc eo o eo o e ueueueueue toc uee o e (Repeat)
-wrath of the Gods,Twisted Garden Terrarian part

Idk what I said

[reef wigeon]

I think he should have absorbed the soul of the Auric Dragon of Crafting or Engineering, since he seems to be an engineer because he solves problems and creates everything, but it still needs materials

If either of the two exists

[cloud ibex]

i think both of those feel a bit too artificial to fit auric domains' usual theming

but Invention could work

or like

Imagination

[mighty zenith]

spongebop

[split mortar]

I think this beat candidate

[limpid saddle]

I just don't like the idea of the Terrarian being any kind of divinity

It directly contradicts Yharim's whole motivation in 'guiding the Terrarian to become his successor' by spoon-feeding them information about the world & the events of the Crusade from his perspective

Because he wouldn't do that if you were a God

& if you were a God, he would definetly fucking know that you are a God

[stoic gulch]

Does dog like glitter

[split mortar]

It just
Never
Came up in conversation

[cloud ibex]

tbf he's not omniscient

it sounds like he straight up doesn't realize rav was a god at one point

[dusk laurel]

smth smth headcanoning

[limpid saddle]

He spent the last century killing them im pretty sure he could fucking sniff them out at this point

[limpid saddle]

as in literally sniff out gods

[cloud ibex]

if this theoretical god changed enough after Yharim put 'em through the wringer, i can imagine him not recognizing them until they're literally face to face with him

[dusk laurel]

you can also just make yharim hate this divine entity

[limpid saddle]

Re-reading the lore item i'm not really getting that

[dusk laurel]

rather than following the exact same format ingame

[limpid saddle]

It's one thing to say 'the terrarian is you' it's another to directly conflict with the canon material

Thats what diffientriates the headcanons from the fanfiction

[cosmic zenith]

Same

Personally I like taking "just a dude™️" and making them do some godlike shit through the power of anime

:)

[cloud ibex]

maybe not but like

i think Silva is proof that Yharim doesn't think merely dying once is atonement for the sin of ascension

[limpid saddle]

Yeah it empowers some of the messages of the work

If a God killed Yharim then it's just the cycle of vengeance with no real conclusion

If a human kills Yharim that has some more meaning behind it

[split mortar]

I wonder if someone has made an oc who wants ti continue yharims crusade

[cloud ibex]

i feel like if he knew Rav was a god he'd either

1. mention explicitly what Rav is to be like "see how fucked up and evil gods are, even after death? i have killed millions of people" OR
2. go out in the field to make sure Rav stayed dead this time

[mighty zenith]

yep

its weird how he doesn't take advantage of rav being a fucked up mindless monstrosity

[cloud ibex]

that's why i can only assume he just... doesn't know

[cosmic zenith]

If a human kills the top God, then....

[cloud ibex]

he didn't make the connection between the giant rampaging flesh gorilla and the god he Definitely Absolutely With 100% Certainty pulped before

[limpid saddle]

Ok im hearing the 'he didnt know', so now im gonna viciously backpedal & say, 'well i mean my point was about godly essence, the whole thing is that a God's soul basically explodes when they die, so how could he recognize a mangled flesh golem with absolutely zero godly essence clinging to it?'

y'know just to be a bitch

my bad about that

[reef wigeon]

Well, who said it had to be a known God? While it's true that Yharim killed almost all the gods, if Xeroc took his soul first, he wouldn't know he was the God.

[limpid saddle]

[reef wigeon]

I'm not saying that I support the idea as canonical, I just like it.

And considering that's the lore of his terrarian, well, his headcannon is canon!

P-partly...

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith question

[reef wigeon]

My Terrarian won't read the item lore because Yharim never sends them to him since he is a God, but he respects it anyway.

[light linden]

if you have the time

[cosmic zenith]

?

[light linden]

are gods creating biomes when they die tied to how strong they are?

[cosmic zenith]

Kinda, but the difference isn't absurd

[light linden]

cause I just realized that the slime god doesn't make one

but prov will

[cosmic zenith]

Prov won't, really

Profaned biome is pre-Providence

[light linden]

oh

til

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[hoary cape]

the corruption, crimson, and hallow are the result of a bunch of gods dying iirc

not just one

[light linden]

ik about that

actually this reminds me

if silva died would she just make the jungle?

[dusk laurel]

what

[light linden]

why did

why did autocorrect turn jungle into dungeon

[reef wigeon]

She gave life to the abyss for her remains

[split mortar]

Imo
If xeroc were to die

Theyd cause a god essence biome about equal to a hardmode god biome

[gaunt sluice]

I got a world to be 191% crimson somehow

[dusk laurel]

planty mush is her essence afaik

the jungle is natural

[limpid saddle]

Lens flare biome

[hoary cape]

tbf silva isn't actually dead

[dusk laurel]

also true

[limpid saddle]

makes your screen so bright you go blind

[dusk laurel]

solar biome

[light linden]

cyberpunk biome

[dusk laurel]

everything fuses

[cosmic zenith]

Silva doesn't die!

[hoary cape]

i don't think silva can actually die

[dusk laurel]

no thats draedon god smh

[light linden]

ik but if she could

[hoary cape]

draedon back when he was a god in super old lore

[light linden]

would she basically make the jungle?

[cloud ibex]

in theory she can but in practice probably not

[cosmic zenith]

The only way for her to die is if all life in Terraria dies
And obviously she wouldn't spawn a jungle then, that's basically reviving herself

[hoary cape]

provi on her way to kill silva by nuking the entire planet

[gaunt sluice]

so as long as life survives then silva survives

If the world is 191% crimson would that turn Silva evil

[hoary cape]

191%?

how is it 91% more than fully crimson

[gaunt sluice]

#general-media

[split mortar]

The calc for evil% aint perfect

[hoary cape]

is that even considered life

[gaunt sluice]

yea idk how I managed to make that happen

[hoary cape]

bro not only turned everything into crimson he turned the space around the planet into crimson

[reef wigeon]

I think I'll draw my OC.

[gaunt sluice]

nice have fun

[pastel bay]

The death of Xeroc would probably obliterate the continent. If not more given how auric beings seem to like exploding

[split mortar]

Theres also a chance the sun goes
Uncontrolled

[vivid ridge]

shader vomit biome when

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/white-light-death-smiling-died-with-a-smile-final-fantasy_xiv-gif-25336896

[pastel bay]

And then the credits roll and that's how it ends

[reef wigeon]

No

The Terrarian breaks the credits and fight Noxus. Epic, right?

Ok, ignore that.

[pastel bay]

No he dies off screen

Lead poisoning

[eager bluff]

fargos soul mod how could you do this

[reef wigeon]

I highly doubt it with Draedon, since he could make a machine that absorbs energy to take it to the ocean or something, or travel to the past with the miraculous Miracle Matter

[pastel bay]

Time travel doesn't exist yet and paradoxes are not fun to write around

I'd know

[limpid saddle]

He cant time travel with it, seriously felix you seem like you're just tweaking 50% of the time

[reef wigeon]

I think the miracle matter will take a big part of the spotlight now.

[limpid saddle]

just making shit up

[limpid saddle]

In what???

[reef wigeon]

Yes I know

[limpid saddle]

The story is basically over by the time it starts existing

[reef wigeon]

I just say random nonsense :b

How can you take what I say seriously?

[pastel bay]

You'd do great at Fandom

[split mortar]

So anything that can be done with it in the future

Will be
In the atoms and endings stories

[pastel bay]

I mean that in the nicest way

[reef wigeon]

I don't like to misinform, so no :b

[limpid saddle]

Because we can have silly funny haha time & lore talking time & you shove them in a blender & just make up random information & regurgitate it in our faces

[pastel bay]

I doubt the words "An invisible deal was also made that Draedon must meet Yharim 3 times a week to kiss." count as misinformation

[limpid saddle]

Thats in the fandom wiki?

[pastel bay]

Yes

You ever want a laugh read the overview of the lore they have its clearly been fucked with beyond repair

And nobody will fix it

It's like you took the old jungle tyrant era of the lore, and went all out on the fanfiction writing

[reef wigeon]

Well, sorry about that.

[cosmic zenith]

(They don't explode)

[pastel bay]

Damn

Good news the world is saved

[limpid saddle]

Its not like we could off him anyway

As much as Yharim wants us to

Unless we get Draedon to make like... a ton of nukes

[split mortar]

Draedon also cant surpass xeroc iirc

[pastel bay]

Xeroc is the closest to a capital G God to exist

[reef wigeon]

I forgot to mention something, and that is that the gods make an "explosion" when they die (like providence), but that explosion doesn't even influence the environment.

[pastel bay]

And, might not even be a bad person

Like killing Xeroc could cause complete collapse of the world as we know

[limpid saddle]

Hm. Mmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[dusk laurel]

banned

[limpid saddle]

Give him like 2 months & he could have exo nukes

[pastel bay]

Draedon is genuinely the only one I can see reasonably coming close enough

[split mortar]

How would they hit xeroc?

Primordial light lets instant teleportation

[limpid saddle]

I think you guys are severely underestimating literal infinite energy

[dusk laurel]

yeah and xeroc has infinite energy too

[limpid saddle]

So soon after it's discovery Draedon made something as monsterous as the Exo Mechs

[split mortar]

Or atleast a celestial body worth to draw upon

[limpid saddle]

With a bit of time, who knows?

[reef wigeon]

I don't know if it's just part of the gameplay or if it happens with other gods, but there you have the information.

[split mortar]

And how will the new exos contain and move power that can hurt xeroc

Scal can melt auric

Auric is among the strongest metals in the universe iirc

Itd just melt when channeling that level of energy

[limpid saddle]

I dont mean Exo Mechs Vs Xeroc I mean whatever comes after

[split mortar]

Still

[limpid saddle]

Though... sick new mental AMV just dropped from that idea...

[split mortar]

Nothing can really
Handle that amount of energy

So bombs are the only solution

[pastel bay]

No machine at least

[split mortar]

^

[pastel bay]

Y'don't think Draedon plans to use us a weapon in some capacity do you

[split mortar]

fyi
Xeroc has the highest potential possible according to a writer

[limpid saddle]

If we die he's definetly gonna harvest our corpse & turn it into an exo cyborg

[split mortar]

Xeroc has existed for like 900 years max and was already close to exos in the first century pre ascension
Took draedon 660 years to be able to make scal level stuff

[pastel bay]

I mean, even before we die.
Our unpredictability is part of why we get so far.

He has to account for untold amounts of variables when it comes to us. Probably too many to reasonably cover

[limpid saddle]

Yeah & the Exo Prisms, Miracle matter, are the pinnacle of all that effort

& he's barely begun to explore their possibilities

[split mortar]

@limpid saddle convo on this topic from a but ago with rebecca talking about it

And later a few days i think?
The only thing considered capable of actually possibly doing xeroc in was

Telefrag super duper nukes

[pastel bay]

Feel like the obvious answer is that Xeroc isn't beatable and will remain where he is until something that can rival him appears, and it won't be mortal whatever it is

[limpid saddle]

Kinda feels like a lame answer

[split mortar]

Xeroc actively trains btw
So xeroc is constantly growing

[limpid saddle]

Like I get it, it defeats the purpose of Xeroc as the supreme force of the universe & all

But it's a little depressing that a machine who managed to harness, again, literally infinite energy is blocked off from greater heights & that eternal expansion of knowledge on a technicality

[split mortar]

Who said theyre blocked off?

Its not
Draedon cant grow any mor
Its
Xeroc grows faster then draedon

[limpid saddle]

I believe in the hyper miracle eternal draedon xeroc-killing laser 9000

Or just making ares an evangelion at this point it'd go hard

[split mortar]

Btw in embers xeroc somehow caused an entire celestial object to vanish (the sun)

Idk how or why

But

They did that

[limpid saddle]

Well the suns made out of primordial light

He manipulates it

& he left

[split mortar]

Not clarified if its teleportation or destruction

[limpid saddle]

So he took it with him

[split mortar]

Ok but gods arent absolute in their domains

[dusk laurel]

nah he killed himself

more likely

[split mortar]

Oh wait what

[split mortar]

Oh

[dusk laurel]

well think about it

what reason would he have to continue living

since providence cant be stopped

find another terraria-like planet?

[split mortar]

Xeroc can stop them though

[limpid saddle]

He saw the planet got scorched, but people were still definetly alive, & then decided 'IT'S SO OVER ' & commited suicide?

[dusk laurel]

did you forget

the flames in embers were not extinguishable until the planet was destroyed

[split mortar]

Im pretty sure the planet was
Like
Fully covered in eternal fire

[split mortar]

Like only noxus and xeroc were the only beings alive who could possibly resist the fire

[limpid saddle]

It states the aftermath like there were people to not notice the vanishing of the sun though

[dusk laurel]

his goal is to protect the planet

what else is there to protect

[limpid saddle]

he could kill providence & re-build

[split mortar]

Rebuild what

[limpid saddle]

get a divine fire-extinguisher it could've been fine

[dusk laurel]

no

[split mortar]

The planet was literally erased by the end of embers iirc

[dusk laurel]

they were literally undying flames

[reef wigeon]

Wha

[split mortar]

The fire killed yharim

[split mortar]

Yeah

[cloud ibex]

i don't think xeroc alone is enough to bring an entire planet back from extinction

[limpid saddle]

He was still alive so like 3 particles of silvas ashes were probably still kicking around to fix it

[reef wigeon]

-t fuc-

[split mortar]

not extinction

Destruction

[cloud ibex]

even better

[dusk laurel]

the flames wouldve evaporated all the water

basically killing silva

[split mortar]

The planet was also like

[dusk laurel]

all the land to live on disappeared too

[split mortar]

Being destroyed

[dusk laurel]

yep

[split mortar]

That would kill the elementals

[dusk laurel]

there was no air to breath in

and the heat basically disappeared after everything else was gone

[split mortar]

The fire
Destroyed
Everything

Well yeah
There was no planet left

[limpid saddle]

Sounds like you guys are just pessimists

[dusk laurel]

did you

[split mortar]

Xeroc is like

[dusk laurel]

even read the thing

[split mortar]

High mountain

[limpid saddle]

b'yeah

[split mortar]

Thats strong as fuck yes

But the fire would just

[dusk laurel]

i dont believe you smh

[split mortar]

Consume again if xeroc cleansed a spot

If they even can

[dusk laurel]

split the planet in 2

shrimple

[reef wigeon]

What the hell are you talking about

[limpid saddle]

Embers, written by Cei, a Calamity what-if where Providence tweaked the fuck out after her polycule got murdered & grilled the planet

[split mortar]

A side story about if provi won made by cei

[limpid saddle]

🐌

[dusk laurel]

bans ggg user

[limpid saddle]

[split mortar]

I got the actual fucking document i will stab you 37 times in every ligament

[cloud ibex]

iirc specifically if you lost to ML

[dusk laurel]

yep

[cloud ibex]

("you" as in the terrarian)

[limpid saddle]

🐌

[split mortar]

Lose to ml and everyone pulls a hyper big skill issue

Just for provi to win

[reef wigeon]

Should I do my own what if?

[cloud ibex]

if you want

[dusk laurel]

no ones stopping you anyways

[split mortar]

We know of some other planned what ifs and what theyre called

[split mortar]

^

[reef wigeon]

sorry for the stupid things I said before. I was just saying random stuff really :b

[split mortar]

embers is just talked about a bunch due to being
Made by the lead writer

[reef wigeon]

Is Cei the lead writer? I didn't know that :0

[split mortar]

Yea

[reef wigeon]

Okay, I'll start writing the what if. I'll spoil it for you, it has to do with Draedon and his ego (which seems to have disappeared, honestly).

I think I'll illustrate it if I have time.

[celest geode]

who is the worst person in calamity

morality wise

[split mortar]

Yharim or providence

[celest geode]

wouldnt Xeroc be a contender?

[split mortar]

If we ignore the driven insane monsters

[split mortar]

Why?

[celest geode]

kickstarting a genocide against an entire species just for power is pretty evil

[light linden]

eh

[split mortar]

Who said they did it just for power?

[celest geode]

do we have reason to believe they didnt do it for power?

[light linden]

like he did kickstart the genocide but he also actively tried to stop it

[split mortar]

Also yeah the auric dragon stuff is like
The one or two undeniable bad things they have done

[cloud ibex]

do we have a reason to believe they did do it for power

[split mortar]

Yes
They seem to actually want to protect the planet

[light linden]

there's reason to believe that zeratros willingly gave up his soul

[limpid saddle]

thunder what do you mean he did nothing

[cloud ibex]

the only source we even have on it happening is Yharim, who is... not exactly unbiased

[celest geode]

thats fair

[celest geode]

thats also true

[light linden]

ok so

you know the terminus?

[limpid saddle]

he called himself 'xeroc, the first god' & fucked off to who knows where

[light linden]

it's presumably required for perfect ascension

[split mortar]

And since they made the sun not scorch the planets surface
I think thats a good sign

[light linden]

and since xeroc was the only god to have ascended at the time

[celest geode]

if yharim at least had some truth in what he said on xeroc, he is a horrible person at least

[cloud ibex]

honestly i could believe they didn't actually do that and that's just yharim/yharon embellishing the truth to make them seem more like an asshole

[light linden]

he sent it to the bottom of the abyss thinking that the terminus was required to ascend in general

it isn't required though

[split mortar]

Yharim got their info from yharon
Who
Wasnt there in the room when they ascended

[limpid saddle]

You cant trust a lot of what Yharim says but he is honest when it counts

[celest geode]

as i said, if it had some truth in it

we pretty much just dont know

[split mortar]

Even in yharims words

Absorbing zeratros would actually
Not be bad

[split mortar]

They were gonna perma die anyways according to yharim

[cloud ibex]

like if we're going with the theory that Zeratros willingly gave them his soul i'd wager a guess they'd probably be more like "man. my former Lord is dead. fuck. this sucks. damn"

[limpid saddle]

If he didnt do it, how would anyone else have found out about the ascension? Some monks & dragons would go up afterward to see some scorch marks on the floor & both of them gone

[split mortar]

Perma die
Or
Perma die but your closest person gets more power

[cloud ibex]

they were a dragon monk, after all

[light linden]

minor issue

we don't know how xeroc knew about ascending

[cloud ibex]

i meant specifically them proudly declaring themselves The First God

[light linden]

there might've been others that knew

[celest geode]

it would be really funny if absorbing an auric soul didnt fully kill a dragon but instead made that dragon just be a voice in the god's head

[split mortar]

Considering ascending fuses souls
Thats
Kinda what happens (but they do die forever)

[celest geode]

imagine doing something and then suddenly you are getting shit-talked by the dragon you killed

[limpid saddle]

& so what, when Zeratros vanished it all immideatly fell to shit as literally all of humanity lost all respect for the Auric Dragons as commanders of the elements & as equals & started murdering them all for funsies?

[split mortar]

Closer to personalities fuse

[celest geode]

"THIS is what you are doing with that power? Shame. "

[split mortar]

With the ascendee being more dominant

[cloud ibex]

i wouldn't say "immediately"

[limpid saddle]

These two descriptions are like the division between how DBZ & DBZ Abridged do Piccolo

[celest geode]

it would have been a slow snowball

rather than immediate

[eager bluff]

i mean its like

[cloud ibex]

i always assumed the way it happened was the auric dragons got picked off one by one over the span of centuries

[eager bluff]

generally people werent inclined towards loving dragons

[celest geode]

okay so if i am correct, it slowly snowballed, until the moon lord came in and went "fuck you", killed the dragons, allowing the humans to more easily take the auric souls

at least i think i got the moonlord timeline right

[cosmic zenith]

Unofficially

[cloud ibex]

not that Zeratros' death immediately led to everyone flooding out of their homes to go kill a dragon

[cosmic zenith]

We don't have actual leads but she does function as a leader

[limpid saddle]

I mean the whole period was called the Dragon Hunts it seems pretty clear they were very actively hunted

The Dragonfolly didnt just become hyper-aggressive because a couple assholes decided they wanted new hats

[celest geode]

i assume it'd be like how it is in fantasy settings

it being a "glorious quest"

[cloud ibex]

no ML came first

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/eevee-gif-8433041855167242296

[limpid saddle]

Curse you & your image perms

[cloud ibex]

ML doing Something™️ to Zeratros that made him at risk of dying forever is what started it all

[split mortar]

Moonlord nuked birds
Xeroc ascended
Then people hunted dragons

[cosmic zenith]

ML attacks > tons of Dragons get injured, Zeratros included > Xeroc ascends > people follow suit over a few centuries

[cloud ibex]

if it weren't for him jumping the dragons, Xeroc would never have ascended

[eager bluff]

like obv there are a few that did love them but you gotta remember that dragons didnt particularly give any shits about humanity
then one dies for good and people realize "oh shit wait we can kill these things hold on" and theres also a hefty serving of power added on top which means there is a LOT more incentive to actually try to fight a dragon

[celest geode]

**" THIS Is How You Use The Power You STOLE From Me!? " **
The God peacefully just using his magic to make more slimes

[limpid saddle]

In my understanding they existed in equilibrium until Moon Lord came stomping around with his like 7 freaky tentacle legs

I mean the Dragons are literally the only reason everyone isnt fuckin dead

[celest geode]

isnt the moonlord we fight like a fraction of the power of the original moonlord the dragons fought

[eager bluff]

if by equilibrium you mean not actively trying to kill each other then yes

[limpid saddle]

I feel like there's an inherent debt that all life on thr planet owes to them after that at minimum

[cloud ibex]

i do find it a little cute to imagine that, if you managed to ascend perfectly, your dragon in a sense stuck around as a voice in the back of your mind

[split mortar]

Yea
Moonlord before facing the dragons wasnt

Cut in half
Skull split open
Organs scooped out

And instead
Had an actual body

[dusk laurel]

zeratros talking to xeroc while watching yharon crash out

[cloud ibex]

so even after Zeratros died a part of him still exists within Xeroc

[eager bluff]

its like if an ant worshipped a human for killing a spider
like yeah we helped out the ant but we didnt do it for the ant and we dont care if some ants die while we're just doing our thing

[celest geode]

imagine if slime god and the dragon voice in his head brainstormed new slime ideas together

[cloud ibex]

and whenever Xeroc would start doubting themselves they could ask Zeratros for advice, even if it might not really be the actual Zeratros, just an idealized version of how Xeroc saw him

[celest geode]

silly idea, not realistic at all

isnt yharim planned to be the final boss or somth (im out of the loop on planned updates)

[eager bluff]

yes

[cosmic zenith]

Imagine Flame Dragon and Providence becoming buddies in arson

[celest geode]

i heard someone mention xeroc at some point in that context aswell

[cosmic zenith]

Two gremlins against the world

[eager bluff]

only potential (super)bosses after are nox sus and dwayne "xeroc" johnson

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, Yharim is the final boss and Noxus + Xeroc are the epilogue

[celest geode]

i think slime god and gluttony would probably get along better in that scenario since well, slime god just be doing slime things

[split mortar]

Xeroc and noxus would be post game superbosses if they are added

[cloud ibex]

alternatively, them constantly beefing inside her mind

[cosmic zenith]

Slime God intentionally controls his gluttony so uh... that's a red flag

[cosmic zenith]

So true

[split mortar]

Slime god just shouts “SHUT THE FUCK UP” at gluttony

[eager bluff]

well sure but thats respectable

[cloud ibex]

they're arguing about how best to kill people

[cosmic zenith]

I know of a deity who surely would like to have their Dragon as a voice in their head

[limpid saddle]

If anything it would be the inverse right? In a perfect ascension it would make sense for everything to merge, while an in an im-perfect one, it would make sense that the Auric Soul would struggle to maintain individuality while under the command of the ascensionee

[split mortar]

Silva prob

[celest geode]

superbosses dont really make sense in the context of calamity and terraria, by the end terraria itself bows to you, and you have slain or bested the strongest beings in the world

[eager bluff]

it takes BALLS to absorb a soul and just ignore what that soul would do

[cloud ibex]

the DoF wants her to savor her victims' agony while prov wants to end their suffering as quickly as possible

[eager bluff]

not really

[limpid saddle]

If anything something like that might directly explain the Slime God's hunger, it's the Dragon of Gluttony trying to seize greater control over their impulses

[cosmic zenith]

That's the thing, Noxus and Xeroc are the actual strongest beings and they're a decent bit above Yharim

[celest geode]

though they most likely have grown rusty

[cloud ibex]

idk i didn't think much about the logistics of it all

[split mortar]

Xeroc actively trains

[eager bluff]

yharim might be able to SURVIVE a fight with xeroc but yharim cannot WIN a fight with xeroc

[celest geode]

how long would it have been since they have done anything of note

[split mortar]

And we dunno whats with noxus

[cosmic zenith]

Not much is known about Noxus at all, and Xeroc not only is inherently pretty powerful but also actively trains

[celest geode]

tbf either way, terrarian solos fr

[limpid saddle]

Noxus has been gathering Godly Essence for the last 15-ish years & Xeroc is constantly traininf

[fresh crystal]

Hello calmity’s lorekeepers, I have a lore question about the mod. I’m making a recreation of what I believe looked like the auric dragons back before their genocide, based of the gods that take their auric soul, and the few notes that mention some gods like the god of life, storm and rain, which I understand that in the past were dragons. I even suppose the existence of the wisdom dragon, which I based on the crimson and corruption origin and the perforators/hive mind boss part of ( I know that they come from multiple corpses of gods not well destroyed).The question is, how the dragons originated and why they would protect the terraria world?, there are/were more dragons out of the terraria?

[split mortar]

Xerocs most recent thing of note is

Boss rush

[split mortar]

Xeroc cant be beaten by the terrarian btw
They live out fight

[limpid saddle]

Auric Souls come from the World Soul, the core of everything, & dragons that were previously NOT auric were bestowed with shards of the World Soul that came to be known as Auric Souls, every Auric Soul has a domain over reality, though if the Auric Soul ceases to exist that doesnt mean the thing they held a domain over ceased to exist, & in total they were roughly 3,000 dragons

[celest geode]

oh btw for the "terraria itself bows to you", i was referring to this

Do you not see how the grass parts where you step, how the stars illuminate where you gaze?
Terraria itself kneels to you, whether it be out of fear or respect.```

[limpid saddle]

During the battle with moon-lord a little more or a little less than half of them died, leading to the hunts & the ascencion of give or take 1,500 Gods

[split mortar]

When was half died mentioned

[limpid saddle]

Yharim was being figurative Terraria doesn't literally bend to us

[celest geode]

also the fact the world itself pretty much gives you the ability to teleport infinitely through the post-endgame shimmer (if that even counts tbf)

[celest geode]

i know

its metaphorical

[split mortar]

Yeah terraria may be
Dead

[limpid saddle]

It's fair to assume a shit-load of them died

[split mortar]

I know

But
Half?

[limpid saddle]

Give or take

[split mortar]

The soul shattered afterall

[limpid saddle]

Could be more, could be less

[cloud ibex]

Grime............................................

[celest geode]

but in practice, terraria itself effectively does bow to you, you can erase the evils that have plagued it for centuries, and terraform it to the last dirt block

[eager bluff]

(iirc) we know the amount of dragons was somewhere in the ballpark of 3000
we know the amount of gods was somewhere in the ballpark of 1500
so somewhere in the ballpark of half the dragons died

[split mortar]

Plagued it for a century max not centuries if you mean the evil biomes

[celest geode]

depends on the evil biome, but i was referring to more than the evil biomes

[split mortar]

The evil biomes originate from gods dead from the crusade
The crusade was a century long war that recently ended

[eager bluff]

also a lot of the stuff you kill is relatively speaking not that old

[split mortar]

But fair with the more then evil biomes

[celest geode]

yeah most of it appeared about like

after dragons went kaput

aside from moonlord

[reef wigeon]

The Terrarian when he's bored of waiting for Yharim's update:https://youtu.be/Kx_3Up3TtD0?si=re_ABoT8VvarnawI

[split mortar]

Moonlord be built different

[celest geode]

ngl morally i'd say the terrarian is pretty good, though killing a few things prob wouldnt be the best

(in most playthroughs) they bring back some semblence of civilization

by making homes and providing safety to npcs

[split mortar]

Arguably every fight can be neutral at worst and good at best

[snow mountain]

landlord

[split mortar]

Skill issue on your end

[celest geode]

and in most playthroughs you destroy the crimson and corruption

[limpid saddle]

Aquatic Scourge.

[celest geode]

just dont get tax collector duh

[snow mountain]

this guy bootlicks landlords, shoot him

[split mortar]

Easy to accidentally piss off

[celest geode]

he is in hell for a reason

[split mortar]

Nah

They suck

[fading helm]

Remember to tip your landlord

[snow mountain]

the tax collector is in the credits, it must be canon

[limpid saddle]

Thats like saying 'So what if I broke into someone's house & threw a broken beer bottle at him? They shouldn't have fought back!'

[split mortar]

Not really

Its

[fading helm]

Aquatic scourge doesnt own the ocean

[split mortar]

A randomnpart of nature

You can be fighting some other animal

Stray few projectiles

And boom

[fading helm]

Also its a fish for gods sake you think goku is bad cus he hunts fish

[split mortar]

Pissed off

[celest geode]

its sentient

most fish arent

[fading helm]

No

[celest geode]

that one most likely is

[eager bluff]

no its more like "i walked in this guys yard, accidentally kicked a few pebbles at his fence and he tried to shoot me with a 12 gauge"

[fading helm]

?

[split mortar]

Thats sapient

[reef wigeon]

Hey, I'll be using Miracle Matter as part of my what if. How do you think Draedon would get Miracle Matter?

[limpid saddle]

Ok better comparison, thats like saying 'So what if a random pedestrian walked up to me on the street & asked what I was doing? He shouldn't have looked at me funny!'

[fading helm]

Its sapient not sentient

[split mortar]

Aquatic scourge isnt sapient either

Afaik

[snow mountain]

proportional response smh

[fading helm]

Now lizhards

That is a good argument as to how the terrarian can be evil

[celest geode]

i think moon lord is the one bossfight we can all agree is the LEAST morally gray

[split mortar]

Hunting it is like
Hunting a dear or something
Wild animal that doesnt try to hurt others

[celest geode]

mf came back to try to finish the job

[split mortar]

They jump us

Its morally good

Same with providence

And pbg

[fading helm]

Wonder why slime god attack us

[split mortar]

And yharim

[limpid saddle]

Ok another one

[reef wigeon]

Ehh...?

[limpid saddle]

Lunatic Cultist

[celest geode]

we attack them

[eager bluff]

its morally at least self defense

[eager bluff]

skeletron exists next question

[split mortar]

My theory is that it attacks us for attacking the blight slimes

[celest geode]

slime god doesnt attack us, we attack them, same with queen slime

[limpid saddle]

We just kill his friends while they're all trying to keep one of the deadliest things alive from escaping the moon & murdering everyone

[fading helm]

Wym they aint passive

[cloud ibex]

currently, ML and Prov

[celest geode]

thats a theory

we still got zero clue

[limpid saddle]

That is morally negative, even if 'oh we fix it later'

[split mortar]

Yharim is also def gokd to kill

[limpid saddle]

No that is what they are doing

Thats canon

[mighty zenith]

yeah

they fucking hate moon lord

[split mortar]

They keep moonlord seal up

[limpid saddle]

They're keeping Moon Lord sealed

[limpid saddle]

Which is a good thing

[reef wigeon]

Hey guys

[celest geode]

did i miss some terraria lore or somth

[split mortar]

They legit think they are keeping the apocalypse at bay (and they very well could have been)

[mighty zenith]

this is cal lore

[split mortar]

Cal lore is seperate from vanilla

[celest geode]

ik

[mighty zenith]

in cal lore the cultists worship dragons

and therefore hate moon lord

cause he killed dragons

[celest geode]

lemme check somth rq

[mighty zenith]

like a lot of dragons

[south relic]

Good morning. I have a question, Providence is the goddess of fire, right?
Intuitively, it seems to be stronger during the day, but in fact it is stronger at night. Why is that?

[cloud ibex]

the most convenient way i can imagine is that the terrarian just sends him some

[limpid saddle]

Anyway yeah killing the Lunatic Cultist, completely unprovoked act of aggression from the Terrarian

[celest geode]

pretty sure calamity goes with a normal terraria theory about what the cultists were doing and runs with it, at least i think

[fading helm]

Cultist sided with yharim so they are assholes tho

[limpid saddle]

Oh thats gonna get changed it aint canon

[eager bluff]

once again
skeletron exists
next question

[split mortar]

She absorbed dragon of fire so no
She is likely the godess of ash

[mighty zenith]

1. Goddess of ash but, close enough yeah
2. That will be changed next update so that providence is strengthened by using her spawn item while she's already spawned

[celest geode]

usually i accidently hit them and dont intend to

[cloud ibex]

she's not actually the goddess of fire but she won't enrage at night anymore

[fading helm]

What was the lore behind it anyways

[cloud ibex]

and enrages generally speaking are kinda nonsensical if you stop treating them like just a gameplay element

[reef wigeon]

I also thought about the possibility of Draedon getting the Auric Tesla for himself by killing Yharon once or something to have fragments of his soul, although I doubt he is currently capable of it.

[limpid saddle]

Ok so Permafrost sided with Yharim at one point, does that make him an asshole?

[split mortar]

You give her the power the guardians borrowed

[cloud ibex]

i mean

[fading helm]

Yes

[reef wigeon]

More in terms of ethics than in terms of power

[mighty zenith]

uhhh sun rays boosted by the moon increase her strength or something

[fading helm]

And im sad we cant kill him

[mighty zenith]

it was weird

[limpid saddle]

Calamitas?

[split mortar]

Nop

[mighty zenith]

i mean

old lore

[fading helm]

Yes but still need more info on her story

[split mortar]

@mighty zenith

[limpid saddle]

Nightmarishly bad take alert holy shit

[cloud ibex]

in theory if he ever manages to find the Aerie after you tell him about it he could maybe spawncamp Yharon a decade down the line to get soul fragments

[celest geode]

permafrost left once yharim lost sight of his morality im pretty sure

[mighty zenith]

dum dum

oof wrong one

[eager bluff]

to an extent

[fading helm]

He helped yharim kill a ton of people

[mighty zenith]

@split mortar

[fading helm]

Idc if he changed

He did like

[split mortar]

Yharim from the start was all about suoer mass murder genocide everything

[fading helm]

80 years of wat knowing the atrocities made

[dusk laurel]

us prison system be like

0 rehabilitation

[celest geode]

primarily the gods though

[fading helm]

I mean when someone aids in the killing of millions

[split mortar]

And half the world was caught in crossfire

[celest geode]

somth somth, all complicit in mass gencoide of the dragons

[cloud ibex]

in that sense then yeah i don't think there's much stopping him from making miracle matter himself

[fading helm]

I (personally) dont think they can be forgiven

Also his items are mad trash

[celest geode]

i'd say the civilian casualties only ramped up once he actually lost sight of his morality, and thats when it got worse

[eager bluff]

morally it depends
she was being manipulated but still did have the ability to leave

[split mortar]

Lost sight of what morality

Till the end yharims conviction on things was
Strong

No slavery

[fading helm]

Yeah thats why we need more info ngl

[split mortar]

Thats it afaik

[mighty zenith]

gods or civilians

[eager bluff]

he had groups of flamethrower battalions dedicated to burning civilians alive

[mighty zenith]

he was still killing people

[celest geode]

going off his words, he was blinded by his hatred i think half way through his crusade

[celest geode]

??

wha

[limpid saddle]

If she left she would be abandoning the only stability left in her broken life

[mighty zenith]

skeletron prime whisper

[limpid saddle]

No sane person would do that

[celest geode]

lemme check that rq

[mighty zenith]

the souls inside it are of the shock troops he used

[limpid saddle]

& she was clinging to hers by a thread

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime is a super terrorist made of super terrorist souls

And it was like
Prob early in crusade

[celest geode]

Leveling places of worship and torching those falsely devout, their expertise lay in unmaking faith with flame.```

[split mortar]

Def not past half way

[reef wigeon]

Canonically the Terrarian does not fight with Yharon more times?

[celest geode]

so he targetted gods and god worshippers

[limpid saddle]

Yes the Church Burner Nightmare War-Crime Machine 9000

[cloud ibex]

"super terrorists" is a very funny way to describe them

[mighty zenith]

no

[split mortar]

God worshippers being
Civilians
Children
Parents
People

[limpid saddle]

No the Terrarian only fights Yharon once

[split mortar]

Of a city or town or group

[limpid saddle]

The Boys reference?

[cloud ibex]

idk ask melon

[celest geode]

yeah thats who usually worships a god

[split mortar]

Exactly
Already doing horrible attrocities at the start

[eager bluff]

yes that means fucking everybody was on his hit list

[reef wigeon]

How much Auric Tesla is generated on the Terrarian continent?

[split mortar]

No i dont watch that

[cloud ibex]

dude really went "these war crimes are rated E for everyone"

[split mortar]

Id imagine not much more then what we get

[celest geode]

yharim did hate slavery though

[split mortar]

Still does

[fading helm]

He made graduation

[eager bluff]

didnt stop him from manipulating scal

[reef wigeon]

The thing is to know how much we get

[limpid saddle]

I wouldnt say he manipulated her

[split mortar]

She technically could say no

[eager bluff]

he did in fact manipulate her

[limpid saddle]

He guided her into doing what he thought was right, what was good

[split mortar]

Technically
Realistically not at all

[eager bluff]

so can a slave

[celest geode]

thats manipulation

[limpid saddle]

Just what he thought was right & good was fucking insane

[celest geode]

"guided her"

bro

[split mortar]

She was manipulated from like
12 to 18

[limpid saddle]

He commanded her as he would command any other soldier

[mighty zenith]

its manipulation

he groomed a child into a living weapon

i dont care if he believed what he was doing was right

[cloud ibex]

i was gonna say that SCal was kinda different cause he wasn't really stopping her from leaving but like

[celest geode]

SHE WAS A EARLY TEEN

[limpid saddle]

& he didnt realise he shouldnt do that to a 12 year old until 15 years later

[mighty zenith]

he turned a CHILD

[celest geode]

THATS A CHILD SOLDIER

[split mortar]

Possibly a preteen

[mighty zenith]

into a soldier

[cloud ibex]

permafrost did try to leave and yharim immediately sicced Cal on him for it

[mighty zenith]

fully consciously

[limpid saddle]

Man you can guys like

[celest geode]

yeah thats what i meant by preteen, i forgor the word

[eager bluff]

no he did fucking not
you would not send joe average from down the street to BOIL A FUCKING UNDERGROUND SEA AND KINGDOM

[limpid saddle]

wait until i finish my statements

[celest geode]

you cant be complaining, type them all in one message

dont break them apart if its that serious

[limpid saddle]

[fading helm]

Idk man joe is pretty good of a soldier

[cloud ibex]

wouldn't surprise me if he might've considered something similar against Cal

[mighty zenith]

manipulate
control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly or unscrupulously.

[fresh crystal]

Maybe in the begining has good intentions, and gradually yharim was turning more manipulator

[fading helm]

Tbh we just need to see more of cal upbringing, seeing what age she left, what morals she had, etc, to see if she can be forgiven or smth like it

[fresh crystal]

Towards calamitas

[fading helm]

The devs seemingly want to go down a cal good route tho

[split mortar]

From the start of the crusade he wanted a world wide genocide of the gods and their worshippers iirc

[fading helm]

So I strongly believe that she will have like no fault at all

[celest geode]

the fuck you mean "if she can be forgiven", she was manipulated as a child into being a weapon, you cant blame her for that shit

[eager bluff]

the fact that she left of her own free will tells you enough about that

[split mortar]

She left at like
18

[fading helm]

I mean , killing an entire kindom is still a pretty big thing

[celest geode]

thats like trying to blame the kids in the 'youth programs' during ww2 in germany

[fading helm]

Like

[mighty zenith]

she probably left right as she felt the weight of her actions

[fading helm]

You think a random sunken searr

Would forgive

[mighty zenith]

and uh

children usually dont have feel that

[split mortar]

Amidias does

[stark basalt]

sunken searr😭

[celest geode]

do they have an official demonym

[fading helm]

What would you name em 😭

[celest geode]

sunken seaian

[mighty zenith]

illmerians

[eager bluff]

ilmerians

[stark basalt]

sunker

[fading helm]

Damn

[celest geode]

sunken seaer

[split mortar]

Illmeran or illmerian idk

[stark basalt]

gunker

[celest geode]

oh right

i misread that as illyrian for a second

idk how

[fading helm]

Kind of forgot they had a name for their kingdom

[celest geode]

the sunken sea is secretly the balkans...

[dusk laurel]

[eager bluff]

if a kid does something fucked up and they have a literal lifetime of trauma on their back they probably wouldnt realize just how fucked up that fucked up thing is
if you're in a position where you can be told to do that kind of thing you arent in a position to realize before doing it how bad it is

[celest geode]

as i said, trying to blame her for it is like trying to blame the kids in the youth programs in germany during ww2

[stark basalt]

i think the player should decide if she should be spared at the end of the cal fight

[eager bluff]

no

[stark basalt]

why not

[split mortar]

Shed just leave

[celest geode]

she would just fuck off like slime god does

[split mortar]

Like
She still has energy afaik

Not much

[mighty zenith]

also game balance

[split mortar]

But enough to just
Fly away

[mighty zenith]

since youd lose out on an entire game mechanic

[cloud ibex]

also like

[celest geode]

really big rock that says "enchant" on it that you have to hit the weapons against to upgrade them

[cloud ibex]

this isn't undertale

[stark basalt]

thered be positive effects if you killed her then🤓

[split mortar]

She appears with little cost
She can dissapear i imagine

[split mortar]

?

And theyd be?

[mighty zenith]

no actually your character gets deleted

[celest geode]

nah all your npcs leave fr

[split mortar]

A congratulations?
“Good job you killed a homeless traumatised orphan”

[celest geode]

"this guy cant be trusted" they say, all packing their bags and leaving for idk the other continent

wherever the traveling merchant goes

[split mortar]

Literally any other continent is better then the one we play on after wof

[celest geode]

true

but i mean

terrarian fixes it

[stark basalt]

deadass thats a good idea

[eager bluff]

if you do in your pt sure

[split mortar]

How so
Stronger enemies still exist

[celest geode]

turrets, purification of the world

the people would be safe relatively

only issue is the constant world-ending threats

but hey, on the upside

low rent

[split mortar]

There still are profaned enemies roaming
Theres still hardmode guys who are fucked up evil strong and common place beyond where we just play

[celest geode]

turrets

[split mortar]

Tax collector:

[celest geode]

i never get him dw

he can stay in hell as a demon

he prob deserved it

[split mortar]

And then we cause collapse of ecosystems

[celest geode]

nuh uh, guide to critter companionship!

[fading helm]

It was necessary to build my arena

[celest geode]

i havent built any arenas

[split mortar]

We kill the predators

[celest geode]

a new one will arise

dw

[mighty zenith]

me when i have to kill a peaceful bottom feeder because i'm bored

[celest geode]

nature abhores a power vaccuum

[eager bluff]

which we will promptly kill

[celest geode]

nah, we just repeat it until it stops hunting humans

natural selection eventually will make it stop attacking humanoid creatures

[fading helm]

Idc what yall say abbys creatures need to go

[split mortar]

But jared:(

[fading helm]

Destroy that place

[dusk laurel]

no

[split mortar]

Why

Jared

[dusk laurel]

in fact

it's getting reworked

enemies and world gen (the former will be a later update)

[celest geode]

also the martians are silly

[eager bluff]

natural selection will make it keep attacking them because of zombies and possessed armor and shit like that

[split mortar]

Already has had its worldgen reworked

[celest geode]

zombies dont attack animals

possessed armor idk

[fading helm]

What are zombies even

[split mortar]

They very much
Do kill critters

[celest geode]

i think htey just walk around and hit things

[dusk laurel]

undead

[split mortar]

Zombies

[eager bluff]

zombies are zombies

[split mortar]

Undead

[celest geode]

draedon turrets set up on every home's roof

[split mortar]

And bloodmoons are natural stuff

[celest geode]

pew pew the enemies of the civilization

[eager bluff]

zombies are something you just dont know how to describe to someone because its just something ingrained in the cultural zeitgeist

[fading helm]

Ngl the xeroc seeing the world being the bloodmoon was cool asf for me

[split mortar]

Yeah it was cool

[celest geode]

idea

bring back slime god

[fading helm]

Wym

[split mortar]

Theyre optional
Just dint fight them

[fading helm]

He is here

[eager bluff]

its like the old scottish(?) dictionary that defined a horse as "everyone knows what a horse is"

[celest geode]

he still dies

due to queen slime existing

[fading helm]

How

[split mortar]

You can skip wof

[celest geode]

he gets overwhelmed by the hallow

[young socket]

polish

[celest geode]

RIP slime god

[dusk laurel]

dont kill queen slime then

[young socket]

the first polish one too

[celest geode]

he is still dead

[dusk laurel]

no he isnt

[split mortar]

Slime god dies in the fight

Not before

[dusk laurel]

hes just stuck in that paladin

[fading helm]

Lowkey surprised slime god isnt semi friendly

[celest geode]

queen slime takes him over completely

[fading helm]

He seems like a good man

Slime?

[celest geode]

this gave me an idea

make slime god a villager after you kill queen slime fr

[stark basalt]

again itd be the players choice and also i feel like calamitas has also done some prettu bad stuff

[split mortar]

What do you think the slime god sized hallowed crystal ball is

[celest geode]

pretty sure i said this yesterday

[split mortar]

All the bad shit was done when she was a manipulated child soldier

[dusk laurel]

okay but she was manipulated and is trying to atone for her mistakes

[thorn drift]

how tf did provi not got got during the crusade?

[split mortar]

She is evasive as fuck