lore-discussion

[gritty kraken]

Does he have the rod….

[cloud ibex]

it's like minos prime switching between seemingly teleporting around the arena and powerwalking towards you

and seeing the afterimages when he does zoop around reveals that no, he does not actually teleport, he just is that fast

[scenic olive]

Guys

What if

New Lore Yharim fights Old Lore Yharim

Who would win

[split mortar]

Old lore

[mighty zenith]

old lore yharim was more ridiculous

like killing a room of people by slamming his fist on a table

[split mortar]

Dog also beat someone who eats stars (like irl type iirc)

[wheat walrus]

old lore with the powerscaling that's as solid as water

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wheat walrus]

DoG only took a nom out of Deus

in old lore, stars were the real life ones (or at least, were considered as such without much of a thought)

but idk old lore scaling is so odd

[mighty zenith]

old lore scaling boiled down to "whatever who cares, this sounds cool enough"

[wheat walrus]

yea

[scenic olive]

[scenic olive]

his fist slam explode the room

[wheat walrus]

on one hand you have:
yharim table fist which supposedly cause a powerful earthquake that could be felt from all over the continent (large island level+ at most with calcs)
and calamitas boiling the sea (as always, country level lol)

and those are considered incredibly powerful

then you have providence staying in the sun's core to gather energy (the sun's core emits multi-continent level energy per second) to scorch the planet (if it's surface/crust, it's multi-continent level, barely reaching moon level at most if we include the seas and the air getting scorched as well), but at least it's considered a major thing so I can still excuse it

then you have astrum deus eating large stars (would default to large star level irl) being treated as a more casual thing than all of these 3 lmao

it's quite inconsistent so yk

[scenic olive]

can Deus eat

The sun

Primordial sun smth

[wheat walrus]

also ig DoG's "universal collapse" might've been literal at one point, granted in more recent iterations before new lore, it's Noxus who is a ticking timebomb that will blow up the universe (at least Noxus and Xeroc at the time were so far beyond everyone else that it's not even too inconsistent, so yk)

[wheat walrus]

current lore deus, prolly not

if we're talking abt old lore deus vs the primordial light sun in the new lore, then that deus would be able to devour that and the entire planet and everyone within it too

lmao

[dusk laurel]

[scenic olive]

Provoked Stargod

[sleek halo]

I think he might

have a horrible tummy ache..

that’d be the extent

Xeroc watching in horror as the fucking sun gets eaten by a stupid worm guy:

[indigo glade]

This is so sad, can we have likes and prayers for Old Lore Astrum Deus?

[scenic olive]

the Lunar events

Moonlord :

[indigo glade]

Oh my God, I missed the fifty dollar steam gift card, this is so sad...

[wheat walrus]

real life large stars would make Terraria the planet look like a small crumb of nun

la briciola 💔

[scenic olive]

but it's a star...

[sleek halo]

I like to imagine Moonlord is just fucking tweaking during a solar eclipse

[scenic olive]

You could say the same to earth about that

[sleek halo]

(He’s on the side facing towards the sun)

[scenic olive]

[wheat walrus]

im saying that if old lore deus can eat large stars then a planet is no reaction

[scenic olive]

Light work no reaction

[sleek halo]

I wonder if he could

wander around

or if it’s like he’s just immobilized

[scenic olive]

he's getting sunburned for a whole day

[sleek halo]

true

[sleek halo]

I meant eating the sun in calamity

since it seems inherently different from an actual ztar

[wheat walrus]

yes

[scenic olive]

The sun is a magical light

that is

[wheat walrus]

but that'd be like a molecule at this point

[scenic olive]

Small

[wheat walrus]

😭

[scenic olive]

Is the sun in calamity

[split mortar]

If its smaller then the planet
Its piss easy eaten by old deus

[sleek halo]

tbf.. we don’t know how big

[scenic olive]

orbiting the earth

[sleek halo]

the sun is

[split mortar]

Iirc yeah

[scenic olive]

[sleek halo]

chat

how tf do solar systems form

if the sun isn’t in the center

[split mortar]

I mean
Draedon calls it a planet system iirc

[scenic olive]

What if there is no solar system

[sleek halo]

yeah how do they not

crash into each other

[split mortar]

So it may just
Not be a solar system

[sleek halo]

if they’re around the same mass…

they’d just fucking rock each others shit

[scenic olive]

As far as I'm aware

It's just a planet a moon and a sun

unless mars

martian

where even are they

[sleek halo]

well he calls us a planet cluster

[split mortar]

The alien invasion is canon

[sleek halo]

i assume thet means

in close proximity

[scenic olive]

yes

Martian

[wheat walrus]

smaller than terraria I'd assume in calamity

[sleek halo]

maybe

[wheat walrus]

terraria is usually compared to real life earth

so

[scenic olive]

smaller than 200mb

[wheat walrus]

look out for a size comparison between earth and large stars

[scenic olive]

[sleek halo]

how tf is it lighting up the moon

[wheat walrus]

real life large stars since that's what old deus was supposedly eating

[scenic olive]

Maybe

[wheat walrus]

light+

[scenic olive]

the moon is not lit up by the sun

what if it emit light on its own

[sleek halo]

that’d be fucking ridiculous 😭

[split mortar]

Why does only half of it do that

[scenic olive]

idk magic

[sleek halo]

evil ass moon

[split mortar]

In calamity ALL celestial bodies are fucked up

[scenic olive]

Ok how about this

why does blood moon exist

Age old question

[gritty kraken]

moonlord bleed that night

[late veldt]

moon turns emo

[scenic olive]

since the goddess of life is also nature elemental

what if we throw her into space

[sleek halo]

it wouldn’t be good for her

probably

[scenic olive]

since she wouldnt die would the planet create another elemental

[sleek halo]

maybe

[split mortar]

It just be doing that

[sleek halo]

maybe not

[scenic olive]

[sleek halo]

not caused by moonlord afaik

since Yharim said it seems to have just

[gritty kraken]

Evil xeroc

[sleek halo]

been happening

[scenic olive]

Dragon of Blood inside the Moon :

[sleek halo]

for effectively as long as they know

[scenic olive]

[sleek halo]

god of blood existed

so

[scenic olive]

[gritty kraken]

ravager might be alien from moon……

[sleek halo]

so true!!!

[scenic olive]

Then

whats the dragon

to make god of blood

[split mortar]

Dragon of
Uh

Iron

[scenic olive]

Dragon of War

[split mortar]

Haemoglobin has iron in it
Blood has haemoglobin

Iron to blood

[gritty kraken]

Clearly draedon prime did it

[scenic olive]

Draedgon

God of Machinery

[gritty kraken]

Draednautilus

[scenic olive]

the year is 3908 and Terraria is fully assimilated by Nano Plagues

[gritty kraken]

They broke the kill switch…..

[light linden]

Faro Plague: Draedon Edition

[sleek halo]

I find it funnt

that Aureus is stronger

than the mechs

not the exo mechs just

the mechs

[frigid sage]

A scout bot is stronger than the literal war machines

[sleek halo]

afaik it wasn’t even combat focused

[random mulch]

astral juices do that i guess

[sleek halo]

well I don’t think they’re really

making it stronger

[mighty zenith]

i think this specific model was souped up to be more armored and weaponized

also i imagine that draedon didnt actually invest much into the hallowed mechs after realizing they had basically free will

[sleek halo]

makes sense

chat I wonder

Could extreme heat make astral infection unable to latch onto somethng

Like if something like Thantos showed up into the astral infection area

would he just be unable to be taken over due to sheer heat

[split mortar]

I think they could get infected

[minor moon]

Draedon should fix thatanos's heating problem

Ngl

[patent tiger]

how much stronger could we say prime fovos was than zeratros?

like 2x since he was able to fight all the dragons to a standstill or maybe more?

[sleek halo]

I think he should fix the issue of it

being fucking destroyed

[sleek halo]

Unknown

[sleek halo]

Probably not that much stronger though

considering that Zeratros is so much stronger than an average auric dragon

[patent tiger]

yeah

[sleek halo]

like realistically the average auric dragon could fo

fuck all

to fovos

a whole load of nothing

[patent tiger]

true

[manic coral]

the issue aslo wasnt that all dragon combined weren't strong enough, it's that ML basically has healing factor thanks due the tounge, meaning cast amounts of week opponents give it plenty of time to feed off of them and keep the battle going

[minor moon]

They should add in the mechanic where you can absorb yharon's soul after he's dead and become the god of rebirth oh wait... you are the god of rebirth already

[manic coral]

what

and how would you

[patent tiger]

i was gonna argue abt their combined power but ur probably right that most of them would be inconveniencing to him at best

[minor moon]

respawning

[patent tiger]

a

[manic coral]

non-canonical

as with most games unless they specify otherwise

[patent tiger]

nuh uh

[minor moon]

Undertale reference

[patent tiger]

i didnt think of that lol

undertale is also why fovos is so weakened

no more legs

[sleek halo]

I’d probably say if it was literally only the strongest of dragons fighting him

[patent tiger]

"oh yes."

[sleek halo]

it’d probably have been easier

[patent tiger]

maybe

haven't devs stated the fovos is stronger than noxus?

[minor moon]

Then why is yharon harder than ml if he's weaker thqn ml as you have said, yharon is one of if not the strongest dragons in the lore

[manic coral]

yes it indeed was

[dusk laurel]

Moon Lord was weakened

[patent tiger]

moon lord is weakened

[manic coral]

ML is literally missing limbs and organs as is visible in the sprite

[minor moon]

That makes sense

[patent tiger]

they took away his legs

[manic coral]

imagine trying to fight somebody without your legs or half of your organs

[minor moon]

When full moonlord?

[mighty zenith]

smth smth freeza

[patent tiger]

before he was ripped in half

[mighty zenith]

(also hiii cei hiii!!!!)

[manic coral]

idk i think it's doing a good job all considering

hi :D

[patent tiger]

if he had legs he would be much stronger

mettaton ex 2.0

[mighty zenith]

zekrom fovos kick

[minor moon]

thats why you dont skip leg day

[mighty zenith]

had to be nerfed

[patent tiger]

guys

what if

yharon rebirth fovos

(very logical decision)

[mighty zenith]

if yharon could revive anyone (which he cant)
moon lord would be the last thing he would revive

[patent tiger]

nuh

[mighty zenith]

and only so he could kill it himself

(if he was strong enough)

[patent tiger]

t'was merely satire

[mighty zenith]

no satire

i killed satire

[manic coral]

like it's literally having to deal with an exposed and wounded heart and brain, it's entire lower half gone, the lwoer torso also gone with the lwoer third of your spine being clearly visible

[mighty zenith]

its impressive that its heart hasnt fallen out

considering uh
the ribcage is exposed

[patent tiger]

well it's like

[manic coral]

like the dude should get credit for just SURVIVING like that, much less fighting like that

[patent tiger]

connected to the rest of their body and stuff

[manic coral]

and STILL being one of the most powerful entities in the world

[patent tiger]

but yeah that sounds kind of unsafe

[mighty zenith]

moon lord literally has freeza levels of endurance

[patent tiger]

so how much stronger is fovos than yharim/zeratros

[manic coral]

it jsut leave syou thinking, what kind of a beast in combat WAS this thing back in it's hayday

[patent tiger]

since yharim/zeratros are similar tier right?

[late veldt]

I'd win

[patent tiger]

genuine question do you mean frieza

i'm slow

[manic coral]

i'd give Yharim the slight edge

[patent tiger]

ok either way

[spare pier]

Even greater considering Freeza was basically completely incapacitated after being cut in half

[patent tiger]

i said similar not exactly same

[mighty zenith]

freeza is how its actually said

but yeah

[patent tiger]

ok

[mighty zenith]

frieza is just a dubbism i think

[minor moon]

i think draedon could defeat xeroc if he had prep time and xeroc didnt know about that

[manic coral]

actually so funny story about the name and why it's like that in english

[spare pier]

Moon Lord was cut in half, had even more wounds, AND could still fight incredibly well

[patent tiger]

i havent watched dragon ball so i wouldnt know

yet

[mighty zenith]

make sure to not skip straight to Z

[patent tiger]

i'm watching dragon ball first

[mighty zenith]

original DB is worth a watch (even if some parts are... definitely products of their time)

[manic coral]

it was originally decided to be "frieza" becuase that sorta guides the pronunciation to be more like the original one

[patent tiger]

then is daima next?

[manic coral]

daima is after Z

[patent tiger]

ah

which is after original

[manic coral]

but also not nessesary to watch

which

it's fine

i'd give it a solid enough 6.5/10 overall with some standout 8/10 moments

[split mortar]

Moonlord is uh
Built different

[minor moon]

@manic coral

[mighty zenith]

i guess

[patent tiger]

original is...

odd

[mighty zenith]

so its more like the english language being stupid

[patent tiger]

at times

[split mortar]

Well
No matter what xeroc will be training even if they knew or not

[manic coral]

yeah this

[late veldt]

Xeroku

[mighty zenith]

xeroc and goku would be pals i think

[manic coral]

eh i think they'd get along better with piccolo

[split mortar]

Its the internet

[mighty zenith]

why did you feel the need to share that

[patent tiger]

true point

[late veldt]

The boss rush dialogue is so funny compared to everyone in here saying "yeah he's like really chill"

[manic coral]

i mean

they are even in that more or less. he's relatively chill comapred to how you see him described elsewhere and compared to how you think somebody LIKE him would act

i basically write chaarcters onv arying levels of how fancy they try to sound with yharim being the msot and calamitas being the least

and xeroc is like one of the one i write with one of the most casual ways of talking

[mighty zenith]

stoner xeroc

hehe
stone r

cayse rocks

[split mortar]

Yes

[manic coral]

as the most professional is Yharim (when he's trying to get a point across)

[late veldt]

honestly I relate to Yharims verbose ass prose a lot . hell yeah brother write like the self important asshole you are!

[patent tiger]

how much stronger than zeratros could we say fovos is?

like significantly or

[manic coral]

the middle ground overall is probably permafrsot where he speaks somewhat formally but drops it occasionally and makes a joke here or there

[split mortar]

Very significantly imo

[manic coral]

very significantly, at least four or five times stronger

at least thats how i think of it

[spare pier]

Big enough that Zeratros would never win a 1v1 no matter what happened, small enough that Zeratros could still put up a reasonable fight for a while

[manic coral]

oh hi reb

[spare pier]

Hi :D

[split mortar]

Stip here aswell i think

[patent tiger]

same goes for yharim too right?

[manic coral]

eh i say more xeroc + zeratros putting up a reasonable fight for a while

[patent tiger]

maybe a little less

[late veldt]

'oooo I wonder what happens if I dig straight down' and then when I get to hell bro sends me 5 paragraphs of shit about why hell is hell

[spare pier]

Ok that's fair

[cosmic zenith]

I think the most verbose character I've written is... possibly, Vetrasyl

Draedon is not really verbose, he's more technical
Aerialite author #1 (Phaedros) is somewhat stoic in his speech, Aerialite author #2 (Daedalië) is really casual and nerdy, Amidias has a well-read, stylish and flowy way of talking but still not that verbose

[late veldt]

yeah technical is a better word

[spare pier]

The most verbose Cal character I wrote is not canon

[manic coral]

i say ML is only like twice as strong as the two combined and with the other dragons yeah no if it wasn't for its healing and immense endurance it would be able to be felled by just like the strongest ten or so dragons ganging up on it

but because of said endurance and healing

yeah

[spare pier]

Fighting the Moon Lord was more a battle of attrition than anything

[limpid saddle]

Really?

I always took what little dialouge we had from him as stoic & soothed

[manic coral]

and this is just the strongest dragons, not xeroc who's like, pre-ascension

at least relative to present yharon

[limpid saddle]

Not exactly casual but y'know calm

[manic coral]

i mean when the other characters im writing atm are like

amidias

[split mortar]

So would moonlords highest stat be its fucking tanky survivability

[manic coral]

permafrost

yharim

and draedon

[limpid saddle]

hh

alright uh

fair

[cosmic zenith]

I wrote Vetrasyl this way to give him an aura of grandeur, to match his status as an Auric Dragon
It would be interesting to write dialogue for other Auric Dragons, giving each of them their own way of being verbose and majestic

[manic coral]

yeah

[limpid saddle]

Question; Who's Vetrasyl?

[cosmic zenith]

Storm Dragon, upcoming character

[split mortar]

Dragon of storm
Made otonilou goddess of electricity

[late veldt]

I wonder what it's like to talk to DoG in more than just like. a couple sentences while he tries to kill you

[cosmic zenith]

(I just borrowed his name)

[limpid saddle]

Oh cool

[late veldt]

Probably insufferable quite frankly

[limpid saddle]

Like we find a log or something?

[manic coral]

maybe you'll find out some day!

:)

[limpid saddle]

Sunken Sea has some ancient scriptures now?

[spare pier]

Hey, another thing he and Otonilou have in common!

[limpid saddle]

well not now but in 2 fargo seconds when sunken sea overhaul comes out

[late veldt]

calling up the worm on the shell phone

[limpid saddle]

I wonder if he could reform in the Distortion

[manic coral]

he and calamitas are the only two characters in cal i could actually see potentially telling you to kill yourself

[cosmic zenith]

For example, I would imagine Yharon's speech to be elegant yet rash
Like a medium to high-tempo violin piece

[spare pier]

"Yo, Terrarian, I need you to fetch my cocaine stash"

[cosmic zenith]

?

[limpid saddle]

[spare pier]

^ Real thing DoG would say

[spare pier]

Wait I'm stupid

I thought you said you borrowed the name from somewhere else

[late veldt]

if you kill him on Get Fixed Boi you hear a voice acted rendition of the LTG speech for a solid 40 seconds before he explodes into confetti

[limpid saddle]

LTG?

[indigo glade]

LowTierGod.

[late veldt]

Low Tier God

[limpid saddle]

I see

[indigo glade]

The "You should kill yourself NOW" person.

[limpid saddle]

I thought you were referring to the Marine Copypasta

[manic coral]

LowTierdevourerofGods

[limpid saddle]

GetFixedBoi name-change drop

[cosmic zenith]

Not quite, though -syl comes from Umbrasyl (Critical Role/Vox Machina)

Umbrasyl is cool

[manic coral]

anyways imma go make food

[cosmic zenith]

(Brazil reference)

[manic coral]

preferably warm food

[cosmic zenith]

Imma go to class

[mighty zenith]

man critical role

[manic coral]

it's -2f outside

[cosmic zenith]

Damn

[mighty zenith]

i watched like the first four episodes and i cant continue cause i wanna play dnd myself

[manic coral]

(about -19c for your who live elsewhere)

[limpid saddle]

Thats wild how you guys have weather

& such

[cosmic zenith]

Here, it feels like the gates of Hell were kicked wide open

[mighty zenith]

here its mostly ok

[split mortar]

Fucking hell

[mighty zenith]

at night it gets REAL bad like 15 degrees c

[spare pier]

I'd take that over the daily 32c here

[mighty zenith]

i mean

-15

[cosmic zenith]

It's 30°C here, but since this city has such open skies, it feels a lot hotter

[deft vessel]

Imperial smh

[spare pier]

Fun shit

[mighty zenith]

brazil simulator

[indigo glade]

I heard you wanted some lightning.

[spare pier]

And may I add

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[hoary berry]

never been happier with my 6c weather than now

[mighty zenith]

vetrasyl really hates you i think

(not you stip)

[manic coral]

lighting/eletricity based powers are the most underutilized powers in all of media

[spare pier]

The temperature usually stays above 30C from 11 am to 7pm

[cosmic zenith]

Curse of Vetrasyl be upon ye

[manic coral]

not becuase they're rarely used

but becuase of all the fucky stuff you could potentially do with them that nobody ever does

[spare pier]

I'm waking up basically every day because I just get that hot

[cosmic zenith]

🫴 ⛈️

[manic coral]

like? hello??? electromagnetics?????

[split mortar]

Give some examples

[spare pier]

Like

[cosmic zenith]

Had to sleep without sheets and with the fan turned on yesterday

[manic coral]

i want to see somebody with eletricity powers stop a metla weapon in its tracks becuase of this or use like a slime metla sword to repel of giant axe

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, electricity is sick af

[manic coral]

or maybe use it to electically stimulate their own body to do some fucky stuff

and so on

like seeing an eletricity power character who actually uses electromagnetics would be SICK

[cosmic zenith]

That moment when you have access to possibly the most versatile of the Universe's 4 fundamental forces

[manic coral]

which is why im writing it for my other project

"fine, i'll do it myself"

[indigo glade]

🫳
🌩️
🌧️
🫴

🫸⛈️

[spare pier]

I need to have my fan glued to my ass 24/7

[manic coral]

ok going to get food for real now goodbye

god be with ye

[spare pier]

Like, I don't remember when I last went a day without it

[mighty zenith]

would that speed you up

[indigo glade]

67 days ago.

[spare pier]

Ok I actually remember

February 10th, because I wasn't home

Spent basically one hour trying to sleep and failing because it was just that hot

At least it won't reach 30+ in the next few days

[hoary berry]

i remember skipping a heatwave in the uk by going to spain

[split mortar]

Lucky

[hoary berry]

i think some places were getting ~39c?

meanwhile i was in a (typically) hotter country with stable 25-30s

[sleek halo]

hello i am back

[hoary berry]

[late veldt]

welcome back to the land of the living!

[sleek halo]

tbf

did he even have

organs

LOL

[late veldt]

he has a heart and eyeballs and a brain and ribs and

so yeah

[split mortar]

Well considering they are saying they lost them

Yeah…

[sleek halo]

I suppose but it is immensely weird to me

that he has such similar type of body structure

to us

[split mortar]

Unless moonlord somehow has negative organs now

[light linden]

ah yes

[sleek halo]

And yes it’s not 1-1

[light linden]

similar body structure

[sleek halo]

but damn is it close

[light linden]

because we have eyes in our hands

[sleek halo]

ok but he has

[split mortar]

Isnt it tentacle legs

[sleek halo]

hands

do you know how crazy that is

[light linden]

not really

[sleek halo]

he has our hands damn near 1-1 excluding the eyes

[light linden]

does he have fingernails?

[sleek halo]

pretty sure

he does

Like Fovos is incredibly similar to the look of a person bodywisw

[split mortar]

I doubt the organs they have are

Anything close to human

[sleek halo]

he has a brain so

and a heart

[split mortar]

So do distortion beings

Also

[sleek halo]

but clearly his body can function without them lol

well seemingly not his heart/core thing

and presumably his brain as well

[light linden]

do we know if that's a brain?

[sleek halo]

assuming it is one

if it’s not

oh well

but it is very likely

[sleek halo]

I’d say it’s also way more jmpressive he survived the centuries on the moon

with those injuries

like those were not fatal, just grievous LOL

[sleek halo]

With no access to healing or whatnot

[light linden]

I still think he's a ghost

[sleek halo]

I think that’d be

odd

[light linden]

why

[sleek halo]

We already have our extremely strong ghost fella

[light linden]

a lot of his attacks are already called phantasmal

[light linden]

I mean

I've always headcanoned that polterghast absorbed the moon lord's soul

[late veldt]

can't wait for them to unplantera

[sleek halo]

How…?

[split mortar]

-# they are them due to being multiple

[light linden]

which is why it became a problem after the moon lord's defeat and why it deals moon bite

[sleek halo]

Polterghast is deep underground

Afaik the only people who Polterghast is composed of

is those who died in the dungeon

[split mortar]

Well
The dungeon fucks with souls

[sleek halo]

Otherwise Polterghast would be made of

A lot more souls

[light linden]

was there not a runestone of some kind in the dungeon that was tied to the moon lord?

[late veldt]

Also unrelated but the Polterghast relic kinda looks like the Erchius Ghost to me

[split mortar]

That broke though and it was at the entrance

Possibly being what held moonlords seal

[sleek halo]

idk, I feel like Fovos being apart of Polterghast is

weird

[split mortar]

Soon™️

[eager bluff]

polter has it specifically to disable lifesteal

its a purely gameplay thing

[hoary cape]

Game play moment

[split mortar]

I exist so yes

[eager bluff]

no

you dont

sorry you had to find out this way

[dusk laurel]

[hoary berry]

violent murder

[split mortar]

Ah yeah im a goober making text inside a small thin metal box

[dusk laurel]

There isn't really any evidence for this other than some names

And vanilla isn't always the best at making sense of naming enemies

[hardy oracle]

Is there a lore reason why Providence turns stronger during night or it's just "Provi becomes le stronk in night becuz funny"?

[split mortar]

Oh yeah there is

But the way she gets that form is also changing next update which this reason is based on

[dusk laurel]

#changelogs message

read this

[atomic haven]

Fovos got brought low and killed, but what is dead may yet eternal lie, and in strange aeons even death may die
Consider what Fovos represents - it's an entity from beyond, from the stars, carrying with it four armies aspected to fundamental structures of the cosmos. Its power was so great that it, single-handedly, almost ended the reign of the dragons at the height of their power, and all they could feasibly do was maim it severely and then use magic to chain it to the moon
So when this final husk is eventually destroyed, its soul persists - but unintentionally, the dungeon trap springs and binds its collossal soul to the world. Polterghast, by spirit volume, is probably 60% fovos and 40% everything else, meaning the battle is more of a rematch with the Thing That Will Not Die than just a spooky ghost

[split mortar]

You give her the guardians profaned core, the power she had given them centuries ago returned

So that is providences true original power
-# its better for her to have the guardians in 99% of cases

[hardy oracle]

ohhhhh

that makes so much sense

[atomic haven]

also, providence is the goddess of fire, so metaphysically, if her light is overshadowed by that of the sun, she is weakened

[dusk laurel]

I think Polter absorbing ML's soul is a lame concept
Rather than it gaining power from the souls of people tortured and persecuted by Yharim's regime, most of its powers are from a random alien

[trail sable]

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[split mortar]

She isnt fire god

[atomic haven]

Not really a fan of it either tbh

[split mortar]

She absorbed the dragon of fire

[atomic haven]

new lore says she absorbed the soul of the dragon of flame

[dusk laurel]

She absorbed the auric soul of flame, but her domain changed

[atomic haven]

so what is she

[trail sable]

What's the earth elemental's deal? I want big buff man to join my summoner build

[split mortar]

Ash very likely

[dusk laurel]

Goddess of ash is the likeliest candidate

[split mortar]

Oh
Fake elemental azafure built

[dusk laurel]

Fake

[atomic haven]

fake elemental forged by powerful wizards after they did an oopsie

[trail sable]

Damn

[atomic haven]

doesn't work properly unfortunately, it's just a giant golem

[split mortar]

Thats why she cant be flame goddess

[dusk laurel]

The real earth elemental is the sand elemental

which is just one part of it

[atomic haven]

Polterghast being made of all the victims of Yharim's crusade went way harder

[trail sable]

Imagine if you could combine both sand elementals to make a true form of earth elementals

[atomic haven]

For some reason the new lore severely whitewashes Yharim's insane warcrimes

[pliant ruin]

hhi

[split mortar]

I mean
Sand isnt just split into 2 elementals

Split into possibly hundreds

[pliant ruin]

whar

[split mortar]

No?

What even is whitewash

[dusk laurel]

Haiiiii

[pliant ruin]

whitewashing is when you get a character that isnt white and you make them white

which i have no idea how that relates to anything to do with yharims crimes

[trail sable]

The 2 sand elementals+life alloy+ all hard mode bars = earth elemental?

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[atomic haven]

lots of stuff is not his fault anymore

• sulphur sea is now draedon
• calamitas was now taken in out of compassion
• permafrost was now not imprisoned on the Tyrant's orders
• Azafure happened because of random elemental
  etc etc

[trail sable]

That would go hard tho

[pliant ruin]

uh no

calamitas wasn't taken out of compassion

[split mortar]

No
Every sand elemental is a fragment of the true one

[pliant ruin]

she was used as a living weapon

[trail sable]

Damn

[light linden]

that is not what whitewashing means

[sleek halo]

Yharim ordered scal

to kill Permafrost

[pliant ruin]

and yharim ordered scal to kill permafrost

[sleek halo]

She didn’t

[pliant ruin]

he wanted worse than emprisoning him

[atomic haven]

yes it is

[split mortar]

Yeah instead of imprisoned

He was sentenced to death

[pliant ruin]

also yeah it's not what it means

[atomic haven]

whitewashing means to take a character's evil actions and justify them in the narrative

that's literally what it means: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whitewash

[light linden]

no?

[split mortar]

Draedon was still under yharim when that happened

[sleek halo]

Yharim

justifies his actikns

no one else does

not a soul is on his side

[pliant ruin]

the lore dosen't

justify yharim's actions at all

[split mortar]

Calamitas is manipulated to be a superweapon

[pliant ruin]

like jank said

only yharim himself does

thats not the narrative justifying it, that yharim being a self-righteous manipulative asshole

[split mortar]

Yharim does that but by no fucking way does it actually say that he is good

[manic coral]

how the hell does the narrative justify yharim's actions

the only one justifying yharim's actions... is yharim.

[trail sable]

What type of gamer do you think Dreadon, Yharim, and Calamitas would be?

[pliant ruin]

Draedon is a factorio gamer

[split mortar]

Calamitas would play calm games

[manic coral]

100% factorio gamer

calamiats plays stardew valley

[sleek halo]

Yharim plays war hammer

[light linden]

hi cei

[trail sable]

Or souls games, no in-between

[split mortar]

Yharim?

He too focused on stabbing gods to be a gamer

[light linden]

got time for a question?

[deft vessel]

Yharim play god of war

[atomic haven]

draedon has a pet AI which develops mods for factorio which he then plays

[sleek halo]

true

[stoic gulch]

does banners have a lore reason for existing

[pliant ruin]

I like the idea that Calamitas either plays really calm games or dark souls ultrakill type shit depending on her mood

[stoic gulch]

or is it just an item

[trail sable]

Yes

[split mortar]

And that never happens in calamity

[light linden]

wonder which character would play DOOM

[deft vessel]

Perma…

[atomic haven]

Most are made from the thing you kill, as in, from their skin lol
So it's probably similar to how heart lanterns and stars in bottles work

[trail sable]

I can see Calamitas hating Harvey with a burning passion

[indigo glade]

Sulphur Sea was not entirely Draedon's fault, it was also the fault of the hyper-industrialisation of Azafure, which can also be attributed to Yharim.
The idea to take in Calamitas was Permafrost's idea, not Yharims. If it were not for Permafrost's expertise, Yharim would've not had a clue of Calamitas' importance, nor a need to take her in
Yes. He wanted to do something worse. To kill him.
Azafure's destruction was always the result of Brimstone Elemental's and Calamitas' combined efforts during a battle.

[robust osprey]

permafrost

[stoic gulch]

ah

[trail sable]

Perm

[pliant ruin]

(Not to mention the previously mentioned fact that Calamitas was more or less treated as a weapon

[atomic haven]

I agree with this interpretation fwiw

[stoic gulch]

thank you

[atomic haven]

but the new lore certainly cushions some of his more outright evil actions present in the old lore

[trail sable]

Who'd you want to be your teacher in lore?

[deft vessel]

Dungeon:

[indigo glade]

_ _

[manic coral]

no it doesnt he's portrayed jsut as bad if not worse narratively than in old lore

[split mortar]

How so?

[atomic haven]

a lot of stuff is now the result of we live in a society instead of Yharim doing evil shit because he's evil

[manic coral]

old lore tried to be like "but he's sad though"

[sleek halo]

A lot of the lore rn is directly from his perspective

[manic coral]

new lore yharikm meanwhile is jsut like "yeah that genocide was pretty cool"

[sleek halo]

In which he isn’t even..

remorseful

[split mortar]

Just cause he is human doesnt mean he is less evil

[sleek halo]

He gives not 2 fucks and would do it again

[atomic haven]

It just feels a bit confused is all

[sleek halo]

every time

[split mortar]

Not really

[sleek halo]

other than lose shit

[manic coral]

that doesn't mean he's emotionless though, because

he's human

[sleek halo]

he wpuld probably change outcomes LOL

[manic coral]

people have emotions

[indigo glade]

I think you're the only one that's confused here.

[manic coral]

thats just... how people work

even evil ones

[split mortar]

Yeah

[atomic haven]

how about we don't jump to insults

[deft vessel]

Its just that currently pretty much all the lore comes from Yharims POV

[split mortar]

Yharim himself is just

Underplaying how bad they are

[manic coral]

yharim and bestiary and looking at the world aroudn you

[robust osprey]

and the draeguy

[manic coral]

that too

and there was supposed to be notably more as of. uh. half a year ago. but SSO is in dev hell atm.

[atomic haven]

Note that this is my point, nothing else

[split mortar]

Yharim is not said to be close to being a good person and the only thing that downplays how bad he is is himself

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is arguably more evil than he was in old lore

And i mean yeah

he's not just

evil for the sake of evil

that's a good thing.

i'1m pretty sure.

[atomic haven]

Yes I agree

[atomic haven]

That's why I said this

[manic coral]

so then what is your point exactly because i am SUPER confused here

[split mortar]

Yharim is doing shit cause he is a genocidal racist prejudicial maniac with so much power barely anyone can even scratch

[atomic haven]

basically my point is that the lore lacks nuance atm because the only source is an unreliable narrator

[robust osprey]

I'd prefer "yharim is evil cause of this" rather than "yharim is evil beacuse funny lol"

[manic coral]

no it isn't

[split mortar]

Theres other sources
Like bestiary and draedon

[manic coral]

and also again

[indigo glade]

There are quite literally two very reliable narrators.

[manic coral]

looking at the world around you

[split mortar]

Yeah

[manic coral]

and seeing what happened

[atomic haven]

oh my god can you people let me finish

okay whatever

I don't care anymore

[dusk laurel]

[manic coral]

i meam if you make a claim that's literally not true people will correct you on it

[deft vessel]

Tbh I cant really see the “look at the world” tho

[late veldt]

Yeah I think that one is supposed to be improved in the next few updates

[manic coral]

i mean take the hallow for an example. nobody ever really comments on it. yharim very specifically doesn't. unless you take a look at it and think about what it is and where it came from, like

[indigo glade]

You said incorrect information. We were correcting you.

[late veldt]

Like the Timeless shores having remanants of necromantic energy

[manic coral]

it's hard to tell WHY he wouldn't talk about it

[late veldt]

But it's definitely there already

like the sulphuric sea or the Planty mush in da abyss

[deft vessel]

I guess so, but most dont analyse the vanilla parts on lore

[manic coral]

it's throguh context clues in the world itself that you grasp why he wouldn't want to talk about it. becuase it's something that conflicts with his ideology that he is trying to sorta sell you on.

becuase otherwise it's ahrd to explain in a way that makes him look favorable

[atomic haven]

you consider that to be lore

he doesn't talk about it?

[manic coral]

same with how it wasall contianed but not the crimson or corruption

[atomic haven]

I get your point

He'd avoid talking about it if it was something of a black mark on his record yes

but isn't that a bit vague

like this is still a video game

[manic coral]

it's an example of something you can only grasp by actually paying attention to the world

there's also the surface shrine as another example, in terms of what it's for

[deft vessel]

The evil biome shire?

[manic coral]

using other connections of how it looks, what's in it, and other stuff, you cna deduce that, oh, it's probably a slime god shrine

[sleek halo]

I feel like letting things be… vague is fine

[atomic haven]

It's difficult to tell which parts of the unaddressed gameplay elements are this and which ones are unaddressed because the devs haven't yet integrated it for non-devs, I think

[sleek halo]

it doesn’t need to be spoonfed

if it was all written down it would fucking suck because it would literally turn the lore into just

reading only

[manic coral]

the parts that are unaddressed gameplay elements are stuff that's direct referneces or dedicated content

those are non-canonical for obvious reasons

[atomic haven]

like I assumed the Hallow was not yet properly integrated into calamity's lore, that what it means hadn't yet been decided on

[split mortar]

Or dev content

[atomic haven]

like the martians

[dusk laurel]

that's just dedicated contebt

[indigo glade]

Martians are addressed.

[deft vessel]

Well, isnt it also dedicated content

[sleek halo]

I mean also like

It’s just not all in rn anyways

[indigo glade]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Shockstorm_Shuttle

[sleek halo]

so shit won’t be complete LOL

lore stuff comes with updates

[indigo glade]

Also, one of the largest biomes in the game being put off...

[atomic haven]

exactly, hence the confusion

[indigo glade]

Does that not sound weird to you?

[atomic haven]

it's a free mod I expect nothing and take nothing for granted

[split mortar]

Fair enough

[manic coral]

i mean fair enough i guess

[deft vessel]

Also the average Calamity player cant read

[atomic haven]

like what I was initially trying to put into words is that the lore feels, as of yet, a bit incomplete (cause it is), and that relative to the old lore a lot of things are more nebulously presented, a decision which I'm a fan of

but the "incompleteness" is only because the old lore was incoherent, and there wasn't really any overarching narrative apart from the broad strokes, whereas now, there is

[manic coral]

and as much as some of your complaints and points do confuse me, like, i do appricate this discussion

just to be clear

i like talking about this stuff becuase it makes me think about how i can maybe do things better

every critism, as long as it's constructive, which yours generally is even if i do disagree with some of it, leads to what i make potentially being better

[atomic haven]

One of my favourite things to do online is to go to narrative-heavy niche community projects and question the devs on lore

I had a more coherent statement in mind initially but the conversation kind of spiralled, and what I wanted to say kind of got lost in the back and forth

[deft vessel]

Yea, more obvious lore in the world would be useful. But that comes in SSO iirc

[dusk laurel]

Some of it

Not all of it

[deft vessel]

Anything is good really

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[manic coral]

i will say there is a fundemental probelm with non-written and unsaid worldbuilding stuff in a game like this with the worlds being randomly generated. it DOES lead it it having to be relating to things that are a bit more overarchign or vague.

which is fine, to my own mind, i just need to write with that consideration in mind

leave some bigger world details mroe vague and focus on elaborating on the less obvious things

[green bay]

Real

[manic coral]

pointing out the bigger things when nessesary

[atomic haven]

the best lore is that which fleshes out the little things

big cosmic concepts are better kept vague

however, they DO need to have an internal dev answer so the mystery is consistent

[manic coral]

i do enjoy trying to jsut let how the world is laid out try to speak for me sometimes, and if i end up feeling like something isn't obvious enough, in a later patch sometimes i'll gauge the community's reaction to stuff and if nobody picks up on it relaly i'll go "hmm, i'll specifically point this out in something when i get a chance"

[atomic haven]

lore is surprisingly difficult to write, too

[manic coral]

oh trust me, we do. we've literally had a 2 hour long discussion about how Ilmeris' economy worked. which PROBABLY isn't gonna be mentioned anywhere. but it might and it may be referenced to

so if we do, it's internally consistent

[robust osprey]

that's really funny

[sleek halo]

u should randomly drop this information at 3 am

[robust osprey]

..and how did it work?

[atomic haven]

that stuff is important! I worked on Tamriel Rebuilt (big morrowind mod project) between 2012-2015 and the amount of background lore needed to make literally the most basic ambient dialogue make internal consistent sense is mad

[manic coral]

and also stuff like the origins of the distortion or xeroc's name from before they ascended, stuff like that we do have general answers to, even if they'll never be in the game. it also has the bonus benifit of, like

it's tantalizing that there IS an actual answer

that DOES exist

[manic coral]

oh yeah i know about that

i have a damn lot of respect for that project

i'm huge on morrowind

not my fvaorite game ever, but

probably a top 20

[atomic haven]

most of the stuff I wrote unfortunately probably won't ever see the light of day, I did some generic quotes for the doomed Almalexia release that never was

[late veldt]

their name was. John Wulfrum Sr.

[manic coral]

most of the stuff I wrote unfortunately probably won't ever see the light of day,
yeah i feel this

[dusk laurel]

[deft vessel]

Its still clearly the Rock. There is so much evidence

[manic coral]

most of the lore i make and write does not and will not ever be publically seen unless i myself decide to talk about it

which i have, sometimes

[hollow isle]

Xeroc is definitely dwane johnson

[manic coral]

fundmentally, ilmeris was a nation that relied a lot on trade

[hollow isle]

Xe(ROC)

[atomic haven]

xeroc more like therock

[hollow isle]

the first thing he made was a ROCK

[atomic haven]

fuck that was the joke you made

[dusk laurel]

Old lore

[atomic haven]

1 singular braincell

[manic coral]

most common exports were pearls and sea prisms

[hollow isle]

ah old lore

even so

XeROC

[sleek halo]

He did cut the rock tho

probably

[robust osprey]

oh cool

[sleek halo]

Inassume so

[manic coral]

sea prisms are valuable as godo conductors and pearls are used very commonly in jewelry and such, like in real life

ilermis also attracted a lot of tourism for its exotic locations and food

[atomic haven]

did they do agriculture or just eat fish?

also how did they heat things

[manic coral]

both

[deft vessel]

Did Xeroc have a pebble collection before ascencion?

[hollow isle]

is that why sea prisms are in a lot of stuff

because of their conductive properties

[robust osprey]

hot water idk

[wheat walrus]

What if

Thermal vents

Wild guess

[robust osprey]

ah yea thermal vents

[dusk laurel]

Take a day trip to the Basalt Gully

[sleek halo]

something I wodner

[atomic haven]

you know that's a good point

[sleek halo]

if Sea Prisms always existed

[manic coral]

well, for heating, part of the ilerman sea is- yeah

[atomic haven]

none of their stuff is made of metal, so that makes perfect sense

[manic coral]

the basalt place

[sleek halo]

or were something made by Otonilou

or influenced

[manic coral]

and yeah

they mostly had to import stuff like silver and gold and iron

[hollow isle]

who is that btw

[deft vessel]

Or they just are stuff raw

[atomic haven]

god of electricity

[sleek halo]

Goddess of Electricity

yeah

[atomic haven]

what did they use for money?

[hollow isle]

ah ok

[manic coral]

but sea prisms were very valuable since the tech pre-crusade was early industrial reovlution levels

[robust osprey]

probably yeah, like other things like ruby diamonds etc

[sleek halo]

it’s just the way they act is

so

weird

[manic coral]

and so there was demand for stuff that helped with assembling stuff that sues eletricty

with sea prisms are great for

so they basically were able to fufill two econimical niches of tourism and exporting goods used for advanced contsruction

thoguh despite thr tourism, not many non-ilmerians lived in ilmeris for obvious reasons

i mean most of it IS underwater

[cosmic zenith]

Fortunately, I found a way to make it clear that Yharim intentionally doesn't comment on the Hallow! Or any time he observes but doesn't comment, for that matter

[hollow isle]

oh ok i was about to ask

if that was always the case

[manic coral]

there were spots most humans could go specifically BECAUSE tourism

[indigo glade]

The rock...

[hollow isle]

so were its inhabitants like Amidias then?

[manic coral]

though yeah, after the crusade started, didn'tm take long for most trade to dry up which, while ilermis was able to defend itself for a long time

tbh, even if the Incineration didn't happen

[sleek halo]

I don’t imagine he knew of it…

like at all

[manic coral]

things would have descended into anarchy pretty much in 20-30 more years

[indigo glade]

No.

I'm talking about the Auric Rock.

(Totally not a phone)

[sleek halo]

I imagine that living in Ilmeris was probably extremely

[manic coral]

ilmeris, after it became a thing when the tribes that inhabitaed the ilemeran sea all united to form ilmeris, was pretty heavily reliant on its neighbors, espeically azafure for stuff like metal

[sleek halo]

tense

[atomic haven]

what happens if you try to use an auric toilet without being worthy

[hollow isle]

try

[indigo glade]

💥

That.

[manic coral]

late into the crusade it reached a point where they had to tear down metal building and repalce them with wood or stone ones because the armies defending ilmeris had to use the metal for weaponry so the kingdom wouldn't fall

[sleek halo]

U live in a kingdom that is on the continent of a massive crusade

[sleek halo]

With not one, but two major targets

[manic coral]

part of why the Incineration was so thorough in the upper layers

[sleek halo]

And all ur neighboring cities/kingdoms r either being fucking obliterated

or joining the dude

[manic coral]

yeah

[sleek halo]

like the civil unrest would be crazy

[cosmic zenith]

And that's something we're working towards
Being simultaneously a writer, builder and designer helps a lot

[manic coral]

which by the way while we're on the topic, yeah, Ilmeris was a constitutional monarchy

it had a queen/king, yeah, but most of the pwoer laid in its parliment

[cosmic zenith]

The Chrysadia worldbuilding doc....

[manic coral]

this was becuase we didn't want to unmake ilmeris being "the sea kingdom" because that's too iconic, but also we didn't want Amidias to be an actual full on monarchy becuase monarches are 90% horrible people

and permafrost was already now filling the "person who did some questionable things in the past trying to do better now" archetype

[deft vessel]

Just make him a part of the 10%

[manic coral]

and that fundmentally made a better story for him than for amidias

[deft vessel]

I mean a constutional monarch doesnt prevent him from being a bad person

[sleek halo]

Honestly Idk how good

[manic coral]

no

[sleek halo]

Amidias is for a figurehead

in a time of war

[manic coral]

but it makes it so that he's less morally dubius for maintaining a fudnemntally oppressive system

[sleek halo]

like Amidias kinda seems like

he’d be great for peace times

and uh

not optimal

[manic coral]

i wouldn't say that amidias was, like, "monarch fo england (basically jsut a celeberaty)" levels of low power in the government, but at the same time

[sleek halo]

for when mr latin word for gold is knocking at the metaphorical door

[manic coral]

he didn't have THAT much lone power

his power was less than ilmeris' parliment

[manic coral]

yeah

Amdias would be a solid peacetime ruler for ilmeris

[muted torrent]

Could Yharim kill Noxus?

[manic coral]

maybe

[sleek halo]

big fat huge maybe

[split mortar]

I uh
Doubt it

[manic coral]

given the correct circumstances

[sleek halo]

Really fucking depends LOL

[deft vessel]

Why did you write the ?

[muted torrent]

But I thought Noxus was similar in power to Xeroc?

[deft vessel]

Just press the button

[sleek halo]

I would say he loses 9.5 times out of 10 in the distortion

if not just outright

10/10 times

[manic coral]

eh i'd say if yharim knew what he was going into and given tiem to prepare for it

70/30 in Noxus' favor

[split mortar]

Both are really strong

Xeroc is beyond everyone by far though

[muted torrent]

How does Xeroc shape up against Noxus and Fovos?

[sleek halo]

he’s probably one of the few people who could tank a good few attacks from Noxus

without just

dying

[manic coral]

destructive capability doesn't always equate to full-on power

[muted torrent]

If Xeroc fought full power Fovos, could he win?

[manic coral]

yes

[hollow isle]

i take that to mean noxus is more destructive but less powerful

[split mortar]

Yeah

[manic coral]

i'd say equally as destructive if not a little more even if notably less powerful

[muted torrent]

How would Fovos do against Noxus?

[sleek halo]

Probably really depends for both of them LOL

[hollow isle]

ok so xeroc is a good bit stronger than noxus, who in your words would have the odds in his favor against yharim. which means xeroc probably no diffs yharim right

[manic coral]

i mean in theory Xeroc could come down with the sun and start usign primoridal light to fry landmasses like holding a manifying glass on the ground on a hot summer day

[sleek halo]

Xeroc would probably have to try to beat Yharim

Xeroc even said Yharim is

[manic coral]

In a straight up fight, fovos wins 9 out of 10 times

[sleek halo]

literally the only mortal make him

question his own strength

Because Yharim is just

really fucking strong for well

just a dude

like obscenely strong LOL

[hollow isle]

so he's like far beyond the other powerful mortals, like draedon, calamitas, etc?

[manic coral]

what makes yharim scary is that, for the most part, he is and alwyas has just bene no more than

[sleek halo]

not far beyond

[manic coral]

a man with an ambition

[sleek halo]

but betond

he has at least 1 entity between him scal & the exo mechs

being jared

[manic coral]

and he grew stronger than Xeroc ever was before they ascended

[sleek halo]

meaning there is a tiny gap

[hollow isle]

and a dragon

feel like that probably has to do with it

[manic coral]

yharon mostly was tasked with defendign territory already conquored

[muted torrent]

Wait, so is Xeroc infinite in strength?

[manic coral]

no lmao

[hollow isle]

not anymore

[manic coral]

why would they be

[hollow isle]

old lore was iirc

[manic coral]

xeroc is jsut really fucking strong

[sleek halo]

Yharim is probably uh

[deft vessel]

Around continent level

[sleek halo]

the strongest normal person on terraria like

ever

[manic coral]

pretty much yeah

[hollow isle]

how did he get that strong then i guess would be my question

[manic coral]

he is pretty much the current pinnicle of human strength

[manic coral]

ambition, training, fighting a lot, hard work

[light linden]

hey cei can I ask a question about the planetoids?

[hollow isle]

because he presumably didn't harvest the same materials the player does

[mighty zenith]

xeroc has had literal centuries of training so yeah

[hollow isle]

considering the entities are still alive

[mighty zenith]

they earned that strength

[sleek halo]

I think the craziest part about Yharim’s strength is

[muted torrent]

Cei, is this accurate?

[manic coral]

he literally foguth constantly in the front lines of a century long globe spannign war campaign

[sleek halo]

he has only been alive for 130 years

In comparison to gods n whatnot

[manic coral]

oh if we're tlaking about xeroc

[hollow isle]

how has he been alive so long also

[sleek halo]

he is so young

[manic coral]

yeha same thing

[sleek halo]

LOL

[manic coral]

aside from the ascension

[sleek halo]

likely the attunement

[manic coral]

which was stilla rguably earned becuase

[sleek halo]

with Yharon

[manic coral]

they figured it out

[light linden]

xeroc has been alive for 800 years minimum iirc

[hollow isle]

ah yharon

makes sense

[split mortar]

And survived the fucking fovos

[manic coral]

yeah

[sleek halo]

but yeah I mean the thing dor Yharim is

[mighty zenith]

honestly dont know anymore lol

[sleek halo]

he’s probably not as strong as he could be LOL

[mighty zenith]

i just joined and the convo was about xeroc

[sleek halo]

Given more time n whatnot

[manic coral]

eh, mor elike small continent

remember that the sun isnt't like our sun and more like

a giant ball of energy orbiting the world like a second moon

[hollow isle]

is he still training during the events of the game or is he like chilling