lore-discussion

[ruby heart]

why would it be necrotic gulp

[pliant ruin]

DS isn't really

dying

or starving

he's fine, actually.. a little sunburnt and maybe lacking in some nutrients but other than that

he adapted

[split mortar]

The guy is chilling and doing fine

[ruby heart]

not fully adapted

[spare pier]

Tl;dr Filter feeding was just DS's snack between meals

[ruby heart]

but life is going

[fresh brook]

surviving but no thriving

[ruby heart]

when you have other cooler things to describe about DS behaviour in a bestiary or lore item

why specifically the filter feeding which was only a side thing

and dont even matter to the nowadays creature

[spare pier]

Once, it was a majestic sea serpent that threatened none but the microscopic creatures it consumed.
After Ilmeris was incinerated, it became familiar with the hunt. To survive, it quickly learned to seek greater prey.
Unfortunately for the scourge, it seems that it too was prey in the end. After all, there is always a bigger fish in the sea.

Because Yharim was making a point

[fresh brook]

so ik this is kinda spoiler talk but theres gonna be kinda a scourge sub biome with the cnidrion right?

[ruby heart]

that threatened none but the microscopic creatures it consumed

yharim exxagerating stuff for propaganda

[dusk laurel]

What?

[fresh brook]

just the whole thingy with the scourge nests and needing to fight cnidrion there or smth

[cosmic zenith]

I still think we should reword that

[split mortar]

Scourge gets a arena area like vernal pass and planters

[dusk laurel]

That's not even a sub biome

[cosmic zenith]

It's too forced imo to just brush it off as Yharim making a point

[dusk laurel]

Cnidrion is not there either

[split mortar]

And cnidrion is a miniboss for sunken sea access

[dusk laurel]

Cnidrion is like above the Timeless Shores

[fresh brook]

srry i mean more like vernal pass and stuff

[cosmic zenith]

He really doesn't have to lie to make a point, and knowing him, he would be as clean as possible in his manipulation

[dusk laurel]

The Scourge nests are just gonne be structures

[split mortar]

Yeah scoog is getting that

I think m

[spare pier]

Change "none" to "little"

👍

[cosmic zenith]

No, there'll be just Scourge Nest structures, afaik

[pliant ruin]

i mean wasnt it an active predator

it wouldn't really be little would it lmao

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[spare pier]

Do you think Yharim cares about a bunch of crabs?

[fresh brook]

is it gonna end up being like underground or cavern layer desert?

[split mortar]

If they’re similiar to bees then yes

[pliant ruin]

i mean would DS back on the sunken sea hunt things the size of people

or back then would it be more docile

to that extnet, anyways

[ruby heart]

he cares about bees

[fresh brook]

i think the lower half of desert being DS nestified would make sense

[spare pier]

It threatened little other than microscopic life because it ate few different species

[pliant ruin]

thats fair enough i think

[ruby heart]

yea bigger than people

hermititans and pumper prawn

[pliant ruin]

if he ate mostly crustaceans then i think that's fair

dosen't seem like it'd much of a threat to people

[cosmic zenith]

I think it would hunt sizeable things, but it would have a limited number of prey

[pliant ruin]

like how sperm whales mostly eat squids

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, exactly

[pliant ruin]

him eating primarly crustaceans is neat

[ruby heart]

it can swallow a hermititan straight up if it wanted

[pliant ruin]

because, i mean

[fresh brook]

id like to headcannon its role in the ecosystem is basically stopping the antilions spreading all over the desert area

[pliant ruin]

antlions are his main prey now, yeah?

[dusk laurel]

My boy

[pliant ruin]

so he clearly is adapted for hard-bodied prey

it only makes sense

[dusk laurel]

His silhouette

[pliant ruin]

so that's pretty neat, i like it

[fresh brook]

is it gonna be on same tier progression?

[ruby heart]

missing limbs since i dont have the more update one on this sheet

[pliant ruin]

scoog and crob

[ruby heart]

yea

[dusk laurel]

wdym

[split mortar]

That thing is fucking giant

[fresh brook]

the new DS looks way more threatening than the last sprite

[dusk laurel]

Nothing is getting retiered besides Rav

[fresh brook]

good

[dusk laurel]

And maybe some sentinels

[fresh brook]

nah i hope they dont

[ruby heart]

(and i still hope for evil 2 because its current placement is gah.. but i need to discuss it properly with the other users)

when the time comes

[split mortar]

Eh not really Ravager is already post providence

They’re just removing the post golem Ravager

[fresh brook]

whats even wrong with current evil 2?

[split mortar]

Right after evil 1

[dusk laurel]

The sentinels being all right after provi and being so close is not a great thing

[fresh brook]

eh its fine i think

[dusk laurel]

Stabs you

[split mortar]

[fresh brook]

i just hope they fix the boss rush of post ML

[light linden]

so guess who just accidentally made a finger that bends backwards on a prosthetic

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[light linden]

anyways

[dusk laurel]

They will

[split mortar]

What

[dusk laurel]

Too close to evil one

[light linden]

I fucked up and made a finger that breaks itself

[dusk laurel]

Kind of pointless in general

[split mortar]

Oh

[fresh brook]

like ik distortion is gonna add way more exploration based progression but some other stuff would be nice

[split mortar]

You make prosthetics? Cool

[light linden]

I'm trying to

[split mortar]

Profaned biome might also that

[light linden]

I wanna go to germany and get a degree in biomedical engineering

[split mortar]

And perennial biome area if that’s in

[split mortar]

Good luck damn

[fresh brook]

also ravenger arena ig

[light linden]

but since certain avenues are closing I might need to learn by myself

[split mortar]

Yea

[dusk laurel]

Perennial biome is just hm

[fresh brook]

not trying to be rude or anything but why u talking abt prosthectics in lore discussion

[split mortar]

Oh and sunken sea will reach up to plantera in relevancy after sso2

[fresh brook]

what abt that post ML enemy

wont that drop relevent stuff?

[split mortar]

Idk

[dusk laurel]

New enemies =/= relevancy

[light linden]

I left saying I was going to go work on one, it broke while I was working on it, and I came back here because I don't wanna deal with that rn

what was I about to ask?

right

[dusk laurel]

The Sunken Sea will be relevant up to Plantera, with some minor content afterwards

[split mortar]

When is lore chat all that relevant

[ruby heart]

it really undermines their story telling and what they are meant to be
and also its right after evils 1, and then after you defeat them the next boss is slime god which again is a corruption/ crimson thing

[fresh brook]

well i mean its kinda pointless having one new enemy in a place u have to go out of ur way to be in not to have unique drops

[ruby heart]

you have the entirety of the evils content coming right after the other

in a very packed placement

[light linden]

hey triangle can I ask a question please

[dusk laurel]

Not really

[fresh brook]

evil biomes dont rlly have much importance past mechs ):

[dusk laurel]

Not everything needs to be useful

[fresh brook]

(not saying evil 2 should be post mech btw lol)

[fresh brook]

i mean sure but i dont want devs to waste effort on an enemy thats never usually seen

[split mortar]

Evil 2 would do better in hardmode imo

But hardmode bloated :(

[light linden]

eh

I don't mind the bloat

[fresh brook]

yh nah maybe post skeletron?

[dusk laurel]

Well

That's for the devs to decide

[light linden]

the variety makes it where each playthrough can be different

at least in that part

[ruby heart]

and that is a issue

[fresh brook]

also yk no way something called a "Stonecrest Hydra" doesnt have relevent drops

[ruby heart]

it will have the new stone crest set

that is multiversal

and outerlevel

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[split mortar]

:(

Not even high outer or boundless????????!?!?!!!

[fresh brook]

idc if this is true or not but a post ML version of the clam armorset would be nice

[ruby heart]

none of those words were in the bible

[ruby heart]

it isnt true

[wheat walrus]

[ruby heart]

clam set is dead anyway

(sorta)

[fresh brook]

id be happy with stonecrest if it just dropped some fishing stuff anyway

[split mortar]

Prikki will be devastated

[ruby heart]

stone crest do have a part of clam set in it tho

[fresh brook]

i use it ):

[ruby heart]

as in the summon

[light linden]

why

[ruby heart]

its dead as in

replaced by a diferent thing

but its niche of a tank armor set early hm is still real

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[light linden]

I hope the new thing also slows the player down

[ruby heart]

it wont

i think

[light linden]

I use the set for building

[split mortar]

It’s tank and offence

[ruby heart]

yea

[light linden]

agony

[fresh brook]

cool summoner gear yippee

[split mortar]

It’s all class…

[fresh brook]

kk

[light linden]

I hope there's another item that'll slow you down then

[ruby heart]

shellfish staff is still real tho but being moved elsewhere

[dusk laurel]

How has this turned into cal spoiler talk already

[split mortar]

Lmao

[ruby heart]

the rest of the clam set is all dying and getting stuff to take on its niche

[fresh brook]

uhh lore of future talk i guess

[dusk laurel]

This aint lore

[split mortar]

Yes it is

Just present lore for the future

[light linden]

because building slower than your walking speed is hell

[dusk laurel]

You'll be buried 12 meters under

[fresh brook]

future lore bc we ran out of current lore to talk abt

[split mortar]

Tasty

[dusk laurel]

We have a dedicated channel for this

Just move already

[light linden]

hell it gets to a point in post ml where I run so fast normally that not even having all the building boosts active and removing all speed boosts is effective enough

[ruby heart]

marnite set

just use it

[light linden]

what

[split mortar]

Pre hardmode building armour

[fresh brook]

pls add upgrade to marinite i beg u

[ruby heart]

and just use a loadout for building

without movement stuff and using the building acc and stuff

[light linden]

oh right that

[light linden]

@ruby heart

[ruby heart]

remove your potions

[light linden]

I don't have any active aside from builder's

[fresh brook]

why u pinging

[ruby heart]

then your speed without acc and armor

[fresh brook]

triangle is right here with us

[ruby heart]

shouldnt be increased

[light linden]

idk what's doing it then

[fresh brook]

marnite having a late HM upgrade would be nice

[split mortar]

You’re growing stronger but virtually

[fresh brook]

using the lizard brick or whatever for it would be cool

having lizard themed armor

[gritty kraken]

Doesn’t reaver headgear set do similar thing

[raven terrace]

Is the Plaguebringer Golaith technically just Mecha Queen Bee?

[sinful adder]

No because it's made from a real queen bee

As opposed to being fully robotic

It's a queen bee with the metal virus from that one obscure sonic comic

[real silo]

it's a cyborg queen bee

[hoary cape]

nanobots son

[raven terrace]

So Mecha Queen Bee!

Or Metal Queen Bee!

[real silo]

No

Cyborg isn't the same as mecha

[sinful adder]

Yeah it's a stretch to say that

[real silo]

Cyborg is an org(anism) with cyb(ernetic) enhancements

mecha is just mech

100% metal

[sly wharf]

Man the more I read about the lore the more yharim sounds like a war criminal

Esp skeletron prime

[hoary cape]

I mean yes

he literally burned people at the stake for worshiping gods

[sly wharf]

Wait who's Braelor again?

[sly wharf]

NGL I love the lore of this it's insane how it's written, from a warrior reborn to fight the injustice of gods to an absolute tyrant madlad purging anything or anyone against his conquest

[gritty kraken]

the guy who got buffed by silva
Also silva champion

[hoary cape]

Thing is he is killing gods regardless of if they are good or not which is oof

[sly wharf]

Huh strange idk how I missed that, thanks tho

[sly wharf]

Would you say this is some form of radical? Or just someone who's just been on a journey of blind fury

[hoary cape]

Slightly misguided + being mad at some of them for leading to his almost death

[sly wharf]

Also the ceaseless void is SCARY even to yharim damn

[sly wharf]

Yeapo

[hoary cape]

It's a portal

[sly wharf]

If only he has a clearer mind, who knows maybe he could have even had help from other not evil gods

[sly wharf]

Cool how there's nothing for the bestiary too

What's the distortion again?

[sinful adder]

We don't know exactly. Some other world that's all twisted and evil

[sinful adder]

This is very unlikely. He would have had to have had a very different life from a young age

[sly wharf]

Why doesn't the devourer simply spam lock all those against them into the distortion?

[sly wharf]

Hm true

[raven terrace]

Would it be cool if DoG teleports you to the distortion world for phase 2 of the fight? (Even if it's impossible)

[dusk laurel]

That's the plan

[sinful adder]

He'd have to get you to fall into the portal, and then he'd have to deal with them there later. He lives there, after all.

That's like teleporting your enemy to your house

[sly wharf]

He could also just say nah halfway and blip you somewhere else to obliterate you

[sly wharf]

Interesting, thanks

Signus just sounds like satan and the tooth fairy combined in some sick twisted manner

[sinful adder]

Honestly accurate

[sinful adder]

We don't know that

[sly wharf]

Gotta say the endgame for calamity sounds like it's gonna be epic

[sly wharf]

Woops guess not then

Wait why do we even kill the non gods like the fishrons for?

[frigid sage]

In lore we probably just accidentally fish up the fishrons with the worms

[sly wharf]

That makes sense, considering my character is a bumbling buffoon accidentally summoning gods and creatures of mass destruction for fun

[frigid sage]

Boss summons are non canon after all

Except the worms probably

Truffle worm and blood worm

[hoary cape]

Exo mechs

[raven terrace]

You prolly fish em up and they get angry about it.

[frigid sage]

I meant summoning items

Like “eye of desolation”

[hoary cape]

The rune of kos probably was before

It's not anymore

[frigid sage]

Yes

Because the sentinels are not sentinels anymore

[sly wharf]

sentinels?

also damn the plaguebringer goliath is just so sad

[hoary cape]

Old dukes isn't canon imo because a) it's being axed and b) he is no longer old duke

[frigid sage]

True

[sly wharf]

what do you mean?

[hoary cape]

If you go check the future content doc in #calamity-update-talk pinned messages you can see that old duke is being changed

That's if you don't mind having some spoilers lol

[sly wharf]

oh wait whattt

aight ill check it out

[pliant ruin]

yeah uh

slightly

just

just a little bit....

yeah....

just like. 🤏

[sly wharf]

teensy bit of genocide and a pinch of racism

[hoary cape]

Nah clearly he isn't racist the lizharhd's obviously worship a sun god and he hates them because of that

Not because they are lizharhd's and he thinks they suck

Totally not

[pliant ruin]

idk if he was even talking abt the lihzahrd thing but that' just adding salt to the wound

[sly wharf]

oh welp my bad I just thought so because from the lore reads

[sly wharf]

lol

[pliant ruin]

yharim is racist towards atleast 3 groups of people

[visual kiln]

g

[pliant ruin]

crazy

omg hi azzy

[sly wharf]

also took a brief look at the spoiler doc and I'm too lazy to go through it so nyeh

with all this new knowledge of the lore, my playthroughs just got a whole new level of deep

[hoary cape]

Do note that stuff in that doc may or may not actually happen

Outside of the stuff for the current update coming up

[sly wharf]

you mean the spoiler doc or the lore doc

[hoary cape]

Spoiler

[sly wharf]

oh dont worry about that, I have the memory span of a goldfish and a brief glance of it just got erased in my head anyways

[hoary cape]

A good chunk of it should happen, but you never know

[sly wharf]

more invested in the current lore than future ones anyhow

wouldn't it be funny if gametheory suddenly covered on this

that would be wild

"Yharim, actually evil? Aquatic scourge is actually the god of terraria??"

[hoary cape]

Maybe you should contact whoever took over the game theory channel after mat retired I forgot his name

[sly wharf]

"The terra toilet actually the biggest lore??"

[sly wharf]

yeah still a bit sad about that

[gritty kraken]

“Yharim is the hero guys i swear”

[sly wharf]

new guys great and all but matpat is still the best

[sly wharf]

"Yharim was actually the good guy after all. No clickbait, devs were lying the whole time"

[hoary cape]

At least he still works on it

[sly wharf]

true

[hoary cape]

Just isn't the face anymore

[gritty kraken]

Nothing ever happened in illmeris

[sly wharf]

love him for raising generations of maniacal lore finders

[frigid sage]

His hollow knight video was shit though

[sly wharf]

genocide? obliteration? all propaganda by the media

[sly wharf]

Were they nonsensical or not even close to being possible? Idk never played or watched

[hoary cape]

On his movie theory channel he literally did a theory video on skibidi toilet so I don't know about him sometimes lol

[sly wharf]

he's clearly gone mad long ago

[gritty kraken]

were the knights hallow

[sly wharf]

should have been mad pat

[hoary cape]

FNAF lore drove him insane

[sly wharf]

"Waifu elementals were the key all along?"

[frigid sage]

His theory had basically no actual support and there are indisputably true pieces of evidence that completely contradict his claim

[sly wharf]

sounds about right

[frigid sage]

His theory was “the knight is the pale king”

Even though In a flashback we clearly see the knight and the pale king in the same room

[hoary cape]

How old was the theory

[frigid sage]

A few years ago

[hoary cape]

Because maybe that evidence came out after he made the theory

[frigid sage]

Nope

Literally in one of the games main endings

On release

[sly wharf]

also would the calamity plushies ever return? I see their sold out

[sinful adder]

No, he deliberately ignores evidence to make a story he likes. This is very common. All the evidence was already out, and the story was already solved

[hoary cape]

I mean it's his theory afterall

It doesn't have to be correct a theory is still a theory regardless of how factually correct it is lol

[spare pier]

Yeah no he literally even said in the comments

"I ignored the cutscene because it fucked the theory"

[sinful adder]

Oh. Technically yes, but this is disgraceful IMO

Not worthy of respect

[spare pier]

Yeah I do think in that one time it was just

Terrible

Like, ok you can make a theory and be proved wrong. Sometimes you overlook some details

But no he made a theory which was blatantly wrong AND HE KNEW IT, he acknowledged the thing that completely debunked his theory was true and left it out because of it

And he still made the video

There is a difference between making a theory and being wrong, and making a theory knowing you're wrong

[hoary cape]

Probably not the wisest move on his end

I don't know how often he does that, but the only videos I really watched of his were FNAF ones so 🤷

[visual kiln]

h

[spare pier]

It was the only time he did it afaik

It's funny to me because I still think the most fucked up part of Hollow Knight Lore is

How did the Pale King know who was the Pure Vessel?

Because I'm sorry climbing out of the Abyss is a very shitty way of testing that. If anything it just shows desire out of the Vessel

[sinful adder]

He did it for subnautica as well

[spare pier]

My theory has always been that the Pale King struck a deal with the Void and in exchange of a billion children, he'd be given a Pure Vessel

And then the Pale King fucked it up

It's either that or the Pale King is fucking stupid, had a terrible way of deciding if a Vessel was pure or not and actually no Vessel is pure whatsoever

Because, yes, I still think saying The Knight was pure under any capacity is stupid

If you cross through an NPC, you're already not pure

Because The Knight thought about talking with them

And also Voidheart literally says that it bends the Void to the bearer's will

So like

Lol

Lmao

Fuck, I think doing literally anything in the game is a show that The Knight is not pure. They are pursuing a goal during it

[sinful adder]

I am not sure if the pureness requires a lack of will or not. It is possible this was misunderstood by the characters in game

[spare pier]

Pursuing a goal is already a show of will

[spare pier]

No cost too great.
No mind to think.
No will to break.
No voice to cry suffering.

Idk

It's like, very cut and clear that The Radiance did Radiance things because she could infect people's minds

[sinful adder]

Yeah, those are a memory of something said by someone in the game. It is not clear if it is truly correct

[spare pier]

So if you had any sort of mind, she could infect you

[sinful adder]

Also, these kinds of things can be contradictory in games

[spare pier]

Wdym?

[sinful adder]

The hollow Knight devs could decide "yeah, someone can have a will to do things but not have the kind of will that can be broken"

[spare pier]

Like, yeah those are memories. Read by the Dream Nail. Which was shown to be able to do it perfectly with no signs that it could have fallible informations

[sinful adder]

I am saying the memory was formed from incorrect information potentially

[spare pier]

Your source?

Because you're just trying to find an excuse for The Knight to be pure is what I'm seeing

You're just saying "but you could be wrong" ok why

You've just said "but the information in the game could be incorrect" when there are no signs of it anywhere or "the Devs could make changes to the story"

Sorry if I'm coming off as overwhelming or abrasive

[eager bluff]

its semantics

its literally just semantics

[visual kiln]

yea

also

a metroidvania where u do not move isn't interesting so

even if doing things counts as having a will

[spare pier]

Yeah

[visual kiln]

a rogue handwave will still allow u to move

[eager bluff]

as i said its semantics

[spare pier]

Doing things counts as having a will

And it's not just "doing things"

[visual kiln]

so i dont think being able to do things matters much here

[eager bluff]

it all boils down to how do you define will

[visual kiln]

in regards to the knight having a will

[spare pier]

The Knight explicitly comes back to Hallownest to investigate Radiance's call. They have an objective

And then, as I said

Voidheart

Literally says it

Unifies the void under the bearer's will.

[eager bluff]

pretty much every vessel was pure the issue was just they all had a certified Skill Issue™️

[light linden]

did

did I miss something in calamity lore?

[eager bluff]

no we're talking about hollow knight

[light linden]

ah

never played that

[spare pier]

Also like, I'm just gonna say but there being no Pure Vessel just works thematically 20 times better than "there was one actually the Pale King just picked the wrong one"

No

There could never have been a Pure Vessel

The Pale King's plan was doomed from the start

[visual kiln]

yes

hollow knight is now canon

[eager bluff]

the only reason hk isnt pure is how pk treated it as far as we know

from all the information we have the cutscene at the end of path of pain is the moment hk was no longer a pure vessel (:holyshit:)

[light linden]

I should get hollow knight some day shouldn't I?

[spare pier]

He sacrificed millions of his children and put them under a trial which proved nothing. He gaslit himself into thinking he ever had a chance of delaying the inevitable. He thought he could've created an everlasting kingdom, and when he was confronted with the fact that his ambitions would fail

He hid.

He ran away

[eager bluff]

he a BITCH

[spare pier]

Like, this is just

[visual kiln]

yes

[spare pier]

So much more effective to me

[eager bluff]

he was doomed to fail

[spare pier]

He would have NEVER BEATEN THE RADIANCE

[eager bluff]

the most he could do to the radiance was push it away

[spare pier]

Well ok, he could've done it because

Y'know

We do it

It isn't impossible

Also he very clearly knew how to fuck around in the Dream Realm

Tho we do have the benefit of having Radiance trapped

I assume she was way harder to track down otherwise

But like, yeah

[eager bluff]

at the point he was at when he started fucking around with the abyss it was probably really damn hard and most likely would have resulted in the collapse of the kingdom regardless

[light linden]

hey rebecca is this a bad time for a question?

[spare pier]

Nah, go on

[sinful adder]

I think the vessel was pure, or pure enough, but was capable of developing a mind, perhaps?

[sinful adder]

He did delay the inevitable, the vessel lasted long enough for a statue to be built

[eager bluff]

the vessel was pure until the end of path of pain

[light linden]

did the dragons not use weapons? or is yharon just an outlier?

[spare pier]

Nah I think Pure Vessel was never truly pure

He was just really good at being almost there

And then he fucked up

[spare pier]

No thumbs

[light linden]

I

[visual kiln]

give them thumbs

[light linden]

I swear they had thumbs

[spare pier]

Jokes aside, they didn't really have a reason to. You can cast magic with no catalyst after all

[light linden]

I mean

auric is strong

[eager bluff]

with no WHAT

[spare pier]

And like

Why would you need a sword

When you have claws

And teeth

And really strong muscles

[eager bluff]

i think pv would have been pure but the way pk went about preparing it to be the vessel was just barely enough to make it impure

[spare pier]

Dragon's usage of Auric is admittedly a bit wack but using tools was still hard for them

[light linden]

I saw pv and though "Primordial Void" lmao

[eager bluff]

for what its worth thk lasted a long time before succumbing to the radiance

[spare pier]

Is it ever specified how long it took?

Because like, I just remember it was

"Yay we did it!"

"Wait no we didn't"

"Pale King what do we do?"

"...Pale King?"

[frozen zodiac]

Last seen 5 years ago

[visual kiln]

i think hollow knight would benefit from a gacha

[eager bluff]

no but it was long enough for people to realize the infection was still around and, for some, develop countermeasures

[frozen zodiac]

I cant remember how Salubra didnt get infected

[eager bluff]

built different

[spare pier]

Too goated

[frozen zodiac]

Its been a while since i played HK tbh

[spare pier]

I aspire to become Path of Pain

[light linden]

ok

been meaning to ask

[spare pier]

Make the most ball crunching challenge in the entire game and make the reward be

[eager bluff]

granted most of those countermeasures boiled down to just fucking kill them but they still had time to develop them

[sinful adder]

We don't know, but it was long enough that the vessel beginning to break and leak was noteworthy as being a distinct thing

[light linden]

what the hell is silksong and why are people so excited for it?

[spare pier]

Lore of the cryptic variety

[eager bluff]

hollow knight spinoff focused on hornet

[sinful adder]

The sequel to hollow Knight that was announced 5 years ago and there has been basically radio silence on progress for 3 years

[spare pier]

Which is probably also being a sequel to the Godhome ending

[frozen zodiac]

It's fascinating to me how much 1 cutscene with no dialogue and a single journal entry creates so many questions and answers at the same time

[sinful adder]

There was a demo available at some in person event and then the pandemic happened

Oh god it's been over 5 years hasn't it

[eager bluff]

if the knight succumbed immediately following the sealing there likely wouldnt have been enough time to develop those countermeasures

[spare pier]

Makes sense

Tbf I have the feeling it wasn't a matter of the Hollow Knight being (almost) hollow

But rather, he just

Kept fighting Radiance

[frozen zodiac]

i feel like zote dying should be canon but also bretta has a character arc if he finds her so im conflicted

[spare pier]

Like, it's very clear you can't kill the Radiance

Unless you're Literally The Entire Fucking Void

Even in the Radiance ending you don't kill her

You just seal her in the Void

You only ACTUALLY kill the Radiance in the Godhome ending when you BECOME VOID INCARNATE

[eager bluff]

the idea instilled line or whatever heavily implies that thk was, from before it became the vessel, not hollow
and as far as we know being hollow is the only way to keep the radiance from having a foothold in your brain if you're infected

i dont think the idea was ever to kill the radiance

[frozen zodiac]

i thought that said football in your brain and was like why is she putting a sports match in your head

[spare pier]

Yeah, I know

My point is that

I think what actually kept her at bay for that time wasn't the fact that the Hollow Knight was almost hollow

But rather, that he was fighting her the entire time

And that, of course, he'd never win

Because it's incredibly hard to kill her

[frozen zodiac]

i cant tell which one messed up the most in saving their kingdom the king from dead cells or the pale king

[eager bluff]

yeah thk was fighting her the whole time which definitely slowed her down
but it only had to fight her because of it not being truly hollow

[eager bluff]

pale king

at least dc king didnt directly do the experiments

[frozen zodiac]

cause like eventually they both end up just secluded at the top of the world (basically for pk) where no one could find them

[frozen zodiac]

i mean he was actively killing his own people out of paranoia though

[spare pier]

Yeah

[eager bluff]

killing those reported to be infected

[spare pier]

"King, this guy has been coughing for a whi-"
"Guillotine."

[eager bluff]

and i mean

death is preferable to the malaise

[frozen zodiac]

Dead Cells really is just about 1 man digging a grave for himself further and further until he literally breaks reality to escape

[eager bluff]

and even that doesnt work

[spare pier]

I don't know about Dead Cells Lore sadly

[eager bluff]

everything sucks the king is an asshole and theres some guy going around liquefying people for Science™️

[spare pier]

Based

[eager bluff]

oh and dont forget the part where the entire island is a prison

[frozen zodiac]

Honestly thinking about it, even if taking the Panacea from the Scientist was a dick move, what would they have done if neither of them killed each other? Basically everyone on the island had succumbed to the malaise, it would take ages to even try to cure everyone

[visual kiln]

me irl

[spare pier]

Btw shoutouts to how I have a story which backstory is just

Genshin Impact

Except I made it like Chainsaw Man

[eager bluff]

which part of genshin

[spare pier]

Archon War

[eager bluff]

[spare pier]

Like, ok the premise is just

Also we should move to #general-talk

[limpid saddle]

You guys think Calamitas feels bad for her (now insane) clone?

I mean she had to in some respects to break into one of Dreadon's labs to free her

Even if she dismisses her as a 'failure'

[split mortar]

She might not know that a fraction of her power made it insane

[split mortar]

Boss dialogue is outdated sadly

[pliant ruin]

I imagine so

[limpid saddle]

Oh fr?

[limpid saddle]

But true

[pliant ruin]

yeah she's

really out of character in her dialogue

[split mortar]

Pretty sure all boss dialogue is atleast a bit outdated

[pliant ruin]

i think other than draedon they're all being rewritten

so in other words just scal and DoG lmao

i wonder if we'll get dialogue for some other bosses that might b fitting, though

so in other words providence and nobody else

[split mortar]

Pretty sure draedon tells you to refight their mechs…

[pliant ruin]

does he?

in that case i imagine that bit is being 💥 but the rest might stay the same

[stoic gulch]

💥

[pliant ruin]

i suppose signus could make sense too but like

idk

[split mortar]

Though yeah draedons dialogue fits the most

[pliant ruin]

we dont know much abt the guy but he seems sapient enough

dunno what he'd say tho but

[limpid saddle]

He is an envoy

[split mortar]

Starts speaking enderman and enchanting table

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant ruin]

Nah

Old lore

[split mortar]

It’s not

Name is outdated

[pliant ruin]

Signus's name is like the one bit of old lore still directly present in the mod lmao

[limpid saddle]

Sweet christ how much of this is outdated?

Wait what's his tie to DoG in new lore then?

[split mortar]

Well old lore existed for 6 years new lore existed for not even 2

Lot of stuff to change

[pliant ruin]

He dosen't have a major tie to DoG

[split mortar]

Distortion beings

That’s it

[pliant ruin]

they are both from the distortion but that's about it

[split mortar]

They’re like unrelated for the most part

[pliant ruin]

he's also canonically higher in the distortion hierarchy than DoG, apparently, so that's funny

[limpid saddle]

Wait so is he still a famed assassin?

[pliant ruin]

not physically stronger, however

nah

he's a eldritch being from another dimension that makes pacts with people

[limpid saddle]

[split mortar]

More so Satan though it def could do that sort of stuff well

[limpid saddle]

Well

[pliant ruin]

though he does still very much have capability of Killing People so ig that can count as a Assasin if you stretch it enough

[split mortar]

Like it’s been called distortion satan

[stoic gulch]

Bill cipher is signus

[limpid saddle]

Back to Calamitas & her Clone

[pliant ruin]

yeah signus is just satan

holy shit

hes the devil.. from the bible

[limpid saddle]

i feel bad for murdering the latter

[pliant ruin]

ayy shadow...

[limpid saddle]

lucifer not satan but cough bible lore is confusing so fair cough

[pliant ruin]

Her fight will probably be way different once her rework comes out - It honestly dosen't seem clear if we're gonna kill her or not atp

ayyy statis, what's up, it's meeee

[limpid saddle]

I wonder if Dreadon's gonna come scoop her up after we're done

[limpid saddle]

Like my personal hope is that she just npcs like Calamitas herself but this seems like the most likely outcome on the 'no murder' path

[pliant ruin]

"Statis! It's me, SIGNUS! I'm here to convince you to make pacts! Come with me! Leave your boyfriend alone and give me your arm and leg! I'm not talking about a metaphor!"
"I will never do such a thing! I'll find a way out of the distortion in my own way!"
"Okay bye!"
(explosion sound effects)
"I'LL MAKE A PACT I'LL MAKE A PACT OK I'LL MAKE A PACT"

Sorry. i had to.

[limpid saddle]

I don't get the reference but im sure it's really funny to those who do

[manic coral]

more permafrost work has been done

[limpid saddle]

cool

[pliant ruin]

yippee

[manic coral]

lmao?

[manic coral]

tbh i will admit i am in a sort state of

writing for something so much im not sure if it's even good or bad anymore

[pliant ruin]

https://youtu.be/o_w3FZJAJ_E

[manic coral]

god save whoever is gonna have to check most of this over

[pliant ruin]

I think ur going through the good old Fatigue

[manic coral]

kinda yeah

[split mortar]

I doubt it, she is driven mad by brimstone magic so they’re prob a lost cause when we fight them sadly

[manic coral]

i do wanna get this done though

[limpid saddle]

we could put 'em in a tube

[split mortar]

That’s not going to fix the problem of them wanting to stab you

[pliant ruin]

tbf i'd say death is better than being tubed for the rest of your forsaken life

[manic coral]

worst case scenerio it jsut gets added in bit by bit

[limpid saddle]

Damn alright just give up on them like that

[pliant ruin]

just send her to therapy tbh.......

xeroc is a great counsilor

(is that how you spell that word. idk.)

[split mortar]

Counsiler isn’t I can say that much

Councillor? That how?

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[limpid saddle]

She needs it

She's like Ben Reilly but instead of having all of the Spider-Man trauma + fucked up clone trama she has all of Calamitas' trauma

Because she knows about Catastrophe & Cataclysm, meaning she (presumably) has most of her memories

[pliant ruin]

I picture it as her having fragmented visions

She feels the full emotional burden, but dosen't actually know why fully

just, has fragmented visions of what caused said burden, basically

[limpid saddle]

Maybe, maybe

It'd make sense that if Calamitas could accidentally transfer Brimstone Magic there'd be some emotional baggage that goes with that

[untold oracle]

I don’t think she knows the clone is insane now but if she would see her now she would feel bad I think

[untold oracle]

It’s infernum

[split mortar]

Infernum changes his dialogue?

Ok

[untold oracle]

Yes

[trim edge]

since you can get cores of calamity from ravager you can fight scal before calclone

so you can show calamitas what she did to her clone :)

[limpid saddle]

You say that like it could help & not just be kind of really fucked up

[wind hornet]

So Silva’s remains are what adds Planty mush to T2 Abyss?

[deft vessel]

👍

[wind hornet]

So that’s why it’s in the armor recipe

[faint plank]

yeah

[untold oracle]

Wow!

[gritty kraken]

Buy yhoin today

[untold oracle]

Truly!

[faint plank]

why is automod dead

[limpid saddle]

Just read the entire lore document

my mind is expanded

[untold oracle]

Rare case of someone actually reading the entire thing

[hoary berry]

now read it three more times to really hammer it in there

[gritty kraken]

This yharim guy might be a bad person….

[faint plank]

𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴seeker yharim

[limpid saddle]

This xeroc fellow is rather curious...

[untold oracle]

Nono he’s a good guy

It’s just the evil and wretched devourer of gods that led him astray

[gritty kraken]

Insert yharim sigma society edit

[limpid saddle]

Not exactly right but you're close

[untold oracle]

Wdym I’m 100% right

[gritty kraken]

This is what reading lore doc more than 3 times does to a person don’t worry about it

[limpid saddle]

Yharim got desperate & his fall began when he willingly recruited DoG

dog made him fall faster but it didnt push him off the cliff

[untold oracle]

Lol dog didn’t even do a shit to yharim

Yharim’s just using him as a scapegoat for his failure

[limpid saddle]

'do a shit' please elaborate

[untold oracle]

What? Manipulate him?

[limpid saddle]

He did definetly do that af least

[untold oracle]

You know DoG sucks in lying

[limpid saddle]

Manipulation isnt neccessarily lying

[untold oracle]

What did DoG manipulate Yharim to do

[limpid saddle]

It's just convincing someone to do something they wouldn't under normal circumstances

[limpid saddle]

It's generally unstated but im willing to bet DoG was 100% evil-viziering it up with Yharim

He was definetly somehow involved in sending Calamitas to kill Permafrost

[untold oracle]

… like Yharim’s intentions weren’t evil and fucked up in the first place

[limpid saddle]

The killing gods thing?

I dont know man seems a little bit justified given they tried to murder him & then all 'the divine sin' shit?

Not looking good for the divine all im saying

[gritty kraken]

Well actually

It was the

[untold oracle]

I disagree, I think Yharim was utterly shocked and enraged after hearing his friend had deserted him, and then he just got the first person possible to kill him. This would explain why he sent Scal, who’s like the only person ever to potentially not kill Perma

[gritty kraken]

Followers of some gods that dump him in lava pit

I sthink

[pliant ruin]

Ok guys lets explain to the guy that the gods who wanted yharim dead were never All Gods but rather a Group of Gods first things first

[untold oracle]

He was in blind rage and didn’t think through

[pliant ruin]

and that alot of the gods were actually Good People

[untold oracle]

Bro fell right for the Yhapaganda

[limpid saddle]

I believe in evil vizier Devourer Of Gods this is my headcanon

[pliant ruin]

It's not really a headcanon as much as it's fanfiction to be honest, respectfully, because it goes directly against canon - Atleast looking at it from the perspective that Devourer of Gods actually meaningfully manipulated Yharim in any way

That's how i see it anyways

Maybe i'm wrong though

Hiring the devourer probably, wasn't a good move

And yes, it was done out of desperation

But at the same time

[limpid saddle]

It's shrimply an interpretation of unseen events

[pliant ruin]

Consider that DoG is

[untold oracle]

Devourer feels like a very bad manipulator ngl

[pliant ruin]

explicitly mentioned to be terrible at lying

by yharim himself

[limpid saddle]

Again that isnt what manipulation is

[pliant ruin]

it's not entirely yes but you also can't really manipulate someone like yharim well if you Suck at Lying, being honest

[limpid saddle]

He's definetly really bad at lying & has the charisma of a dead blobfish

[cloud ibex]

oh noo haha guys the evil space worm who's shit at lying wants me to do war crimes to the people i hate :/ sorry i gotta now i don't make the rules

[pliant ruin]

some people find dead blobfish to be cute, somehow, i'd say he's a little lower

[limpid saddle]

But his raw power & (presumably) constant unceasing yap must've gotten through to Yharim at some points

He did save his life

[pliant ruin]

There's another point to be made that like, how did he change even

He was already like, a massively terrible person before

One interpretation which

[wheat walrus]

🟩

[pliant ruin]

i actually find to be valid, imo

[gritty kraken]

Moon level old Duke amiright

[pliant ruin]

is that Devourer's "Manipulation" was more so, him egging on yharim to focus entirely on the crusade and such, leaving him to do thing such as severing his connection with the dragon cult

[untold oracle]

Do you think Yharim was righteous before DoG btw

[limpid saddle]

Not really

[wheat walrus]

t'ammazzo

[pliant ruin]

It'd fit with his character too, honestly

Yharim sees himself as a fallen hero who has given up on his noble mission

[limpid saddle]

yeah thats what i mean

[pliant ruin]

When in reality he just

was always a maniac

he's basically just delusional

[gritty kraken]

not just yhar himself think that way for sure

[mighty zenith]

yeah he was probably just a huge glazer

he didn't make Yharim any worse than he already was, he was just silencing his human qualities

[gritty kraken]

Lookin at calamity fans on YouTube rn

[pliant ruin]

This is a good way to put it i think

[limpid saddle]

I don't think Yharim started out eintierly bad, as his whole crusade started with his refusal to devour Yharon, which made that cult so angry they tried to kill both of them

[mighty zenith]

he started it out of anger pretty sure

like uhh

asgore

[untold oracle]

Right, genocide is acceptable to a degree

[pliant ruin]

The way i see it he probably started with the shitty gods who wanted him dead but he was so vengeful and driven by hatred thanks to the bond he formed with yharon that he went

kill everyone

[mighty zenith]

terrible decision made out of grief except one regretted it, the other deluded himself into believing it to be a good idea

[limpid saddle]

Ultimately I see the consumption of Auric Souls as an irrefutably immoral action, the 'Divine Sin' is right on some regards

[pliant ruin]

Not really

Some dragons were evil

[split mortar]

The divine sin stuff is…
Utter bullshit that he believes and tries to get you to believe

He never considers if a dragon consented or if a dragon deserved it (dragon of flame)

No matter how good a god was (otonilou) he would always want them genocided

[pliant ruin]

And some willingly gave their souls

[mighty zenith]

yeah, absorbing an evil dragon's soul would make it never come back to start causing havoc again

[limpid saddle]

Wonder if thats gonna be the big twist of Xeroc lore

[pliant ruin]

There are atleast 2 evil dragons we know of and possibly more

I mean i'm ngl i feel like my boy GLUTTONY dragon wasn't a very good guy

being

named after a capital sin and all

[wheat walrus]

But DoG had the tongue of the devil, it's a reference to adam, eve and the apple, except instead of eating the apple, yharim just uses child soldiers

[untold oracle]

Of course, killing in general is bad, but to justify the killings of hundreds of millions over like a thousand dead dragons?

[mighty zenith]

exploding u

[pliant ruin]

He also, killed thousands of, in his own eyes, innocents

because they worshipped gods

and let's not forget

sunken sea

death of a entire civilization and probably countless native speices

to kill 1 person

because they were a god

and a benevolent god at that

[split mortar]

Like everyone here already thinks xeroc is either a good person or neutral that’s just protecting the world from alien threats

And also theories that xeroc consensually ascended using Zeratros floats about

[wheat walrus]

It just sank cause the people were too dense to realize gods bad smh

[cloud ibex]

yharim's whole plan is destroying the world so a dragon can sulk alone in its remains forever

[split mortar]

2

[limpid saddle]

The question is how do we know the consumption of an Auric Soul doesnt directly affect the person that consumes it in psychological aspects?

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is probably mad chill honestly

i forgot tyrian tbh

but yeah 2 people

[pliant ruin]

I mean we do know that (It does to a extent actually)

[untold oracle]

2 people actually (now THAT justifies it fully)

[pliant ruin]

But it's

still the same person

It's less of a full personality shift and more like, some changes

[wheat walrus]

I lowk saw more mentions of Tyrian than Otonilou recently, somehow

[limpid saddle]

Then how do we know the God Of Sacrifice wasn't a massive asshole?

[pliant ruin]

We don't

[mighty zenith]

we don't

but it's a possiblity

[pliant ruin]

But there's gods we know for a fact were not massive assholes

[split mortar]

We don’t
But we don’t know if they were bad either

They’re just there

[pliant ruin]

Otonilou and Tyrian are both confirmed to be benevolent to some extent, with Otonilou specifically being described as a "Saint"

[split mortar]

Until we learn in crags overhaul

[mighty zenith]

we know they had worshippers that were so dedicated that they were willing to sacrifice themselves to try and bring their god back

[untold oracle]

We don’t, but I headcanon they in particular was a very benelovent god

[gritty kraken]

The dev talked about that guy being chill would be cool

[pliant ruin]

This has one of two outcomes

[cloud ibex]

i like the interpretation of the god of sacrifices being less about sacrificing others and more about self sacrifice

[limpid saddle]

All im saying is the death of evil dragons doesnt really cut them out rather than potentially make a new (if we're lucky) a little less evil god?

[pliant ruin]

Well yeah

[wheat walrus]

We know that Otonilou was seemingly a chill gal, but not much confirmation

I guess our Xeroc interactions too

[pliant ruin]

provi is pretty evil and she killed a evil dragon

The point is that

[gritty kraken]

Was tyrian the guy with cannon arm

[pliant ruin]

not all dragons are good

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

so it couldve been entirely justified to kill some of them

[split mortar]

The entire hallowed is made of good gods magic corpses (god essence)

[cloud ibex]

tyrian is merman megaman

[mighty zenith]

the point is yharim sees dragons as completely holy beings that could do no wrong

[gritty kraken]

doesn’t he have like flak kraken lookin arm

[untold oracle]

No one is inherently good or bad, Yharim just tries to polarise that dragons = good, gods = bad

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[limpid saddle]

Well yeah I get that from the WoF lore

So the conclusion is Yharim is a dragon glazer, DoG is a Yharim glazer, & we're all very gray morally

[untold oracle]

Uhh I’d say so

[pliant ruin]

except astrum deus

hes everyones friend

nobody dislikes astrum deus

[split mortar]

I wouldn’t say yharim is grey, they killed hundreds of millions
-# or am I misunderstanding the term morally grey

[limpid saddle]

true

[mighty zenith]

morally grey means questionable generally

yharim is not questionable

[split mortar]

Right so I was correct in understanding that term

[limpid saddle]

I meant 'we're' as in basically all important characters

Including us the terrarian

[untold oracle]

The terrarian’s lore is up to you!

[gritty kraken]

image

[split mortar]

Insert terrarian lore image here

[mighty zenith]

guy pointing

[limpid saddle]

& to be fair, he killed alot of evil gods

[mighty zenith]

yharim?

okay

[limpid saddle]

It doesnt even out

[split mortar]

Well yeah

Kill a city and your bound to get one murderer

[mighty zenith]

yeah no it doesnt even out

[limpid saddle]

But there's nuance here

[mighty zenith]

he didnt kill them BECAUSE they were evil

[untold oracle]

You can make your terrarian the most Morally Correct character out there or evil™️ or anything inbetween

[mighty zenith]

he killed them because they were gods

[limpid saddle]

I mean in (presumably) objective events like killing Slime God, Aquatic Scourge & so on

[mighty zenith]

neither are objective

[pliant ruin]

Aquatic scourge isn't really objective

Optional boss and all

smae with slime god i think

[split mortar]

Aqua scoog is optional and can be angered accidentally

[mighty zenith]

there's like 10 bosses you need to fight iirc

[split mortar]

Yeah, and they attack us first iirc

[split mortar]

9

[mighty zenith]

and im pretty sure all can be explained as "they were assholes" or "they attacked first" or both

[untold oracle]

Plus with most bosses being that they jump you it isn’t really evil to kill them

[limpid saddle]

Ok then Lunatic Cultist

[mighty zenith]

the dragon cult was pretty fucked if you think about it

[split mortar]

We dunno enough about them to make conclusions on them

[pliant ruin]

Lunatic Cultist is gonna get more lore later

But supposedly he's just batshit insane

[mighty zenith]

i mean, they were yharim's supporters til he decided to just abandon them

[split mortar]

But they were fine with yharim so…

[limpid saddle]

Ultimately you do kill Moon Lord but they were tryna keep the mf sealed

[mighty zenith]

better to get rid of the threat right

(tbf yeah releasing moon lord was irrational)

[limpid saddle]

Couldn't we have talked it out?

[mighty zenith]

but it worked itself out so its ok !

[split mortar]

Lunatic cultist is also possible to anger accidentally

The cultists aren’t all that tanky

[limpid saddle]

'Accidentally' they dont do anything until you start assaulting them

[pliant ruin]

i mean

i dont thin kthats

a valid excuse

in-game sure

but in universe

[limpid saddle]

That is objectively a murder

[pliant ruin]

you can't just

accidentaly

Kill someone

[mighty zenith]

i mean you can but

thats still a murder

[pliant ruin]

i mean you CAN but

it's still valid to be angry at someone for manslaughter

and even if you do its like. how

you had a giant fucking gun and you shot it at their general direction

[limpid saddle]

There is no moral excuse for killing the cultists

[pliant ruin]

id say there is tbf theyre kinda fucked up

but we dont know enough to tell rn

more of a

there might be

[split mortar]

It does look like they’re worshipping the moon lord tbf

[gritty kraken]

It’s relogic fault

[pliant ruin]

all we know is they allied with yharim, worship dragons, and are kinda crazy

[untold oracle]

When your living hydrogen bomb summon randomly decides to pick a fight with them

[pliant ruin]

i think in-universe summons are like

commanded

like pokeymans

thats just a headcanon tho

[limpid saddle]

Yeah that makes sense

[mighty zenith]

if your dog mauls a child while on a walk that's still your responsibility

[split mortar]

Whips command them so I imagine that they are to an extent

[pliant ruin]

do not the stardust dragon ❌

[gritty kraken]

I stardusted

[pliant ruin]

hey i just realized isn't it sorta retroactively fitting that the ml-tier summon is a draogn

[spare pier]

The moral excuse is that they let Yharim use the Dungeon as a concentration camp

[pliant ruin]

given cultists

nad all

[pliant ruin]

this is true

that's a pretty good moral excuse

[limpid saddle]

They was desperate

[spare pier]

WHO WAS DESPERATE FOR A CONCENTRATION CAMP

[pliant ruin]

The desperation was from polterghast

Which, ironically

waas because of the entire concentration camp bit

SO

[hoary cape]

In LC defense I don't know how sane he is anymore to even notice anything was bad

[pliant ruin]

reap what you sow i suppose

[limpid saddle]

desperate to revive the dragons

[pliant ruin]

I don't think that's

a good justification

[limpid saddle]

Like desperate enough their leader went insane over it

[pliant ruin]

It's more like a unhealthy obsession

[spare pier]

That doesn't excuse you from making a giant concentration camp??

[limpid saddle]

Seemingly they were barely involved with it

[hoary cape]

LC probably went insane over the strain of keeping moon lord contained

[spare pier]

Hitler was desperate with killing jews ig

[untold oracle]

They allowed it

[pliant ruin]

Idk if we should bring up real life evil man into this as much as it's tecnically true ‼️

[split mortar]

Ok yeah Hitler has been mentioned again

[untold oracle]

Cheese ban rebecca now

[limpid saddle]

They were just off in the corner doing they're own thing poking ceaseless void whilst the dungeon

[pliant ruin]

reb i'm banning you

[limpid saddle]

dungeon'd

[pliant ruin]

goodbye

[hoary cape]

Rip Rebecca

[spare pier]

I think "allowing Yharim to turn your entire building into a giant concentration camp" isn't really "barely involved"

[mighty zenith]

ripecca

[spare pier]

Also

[mighty zenith]

kaguya hair exploding gif

[spare pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/767950470874398720/956000393773604874/E7cOxZZWQAE_I3C.gif

[split mortar]

Cheese I will throw you in the microwave and reverse cook you

[hoary cape]

What

[gritty kraken]

Milk

[split mortar]

Freeze them

[mighty zenith]

melon smoothie time

[split mortar]

Grab a microwave and set it to negative time

[spare pier]

The argument you can make is that killing the Dragon Cult also makes so you, y'know

Unleash the Moon Lord onto the world

[limpid saddle]

I mean outside of owning the property & allowing it they didn't do any of the concentration camping

[hoary cape]

I mean how do we know the moon lord even exists

[spare pier]

Which is a very deliberate action the Terrarian takes since at least I consider that to be common knowledge amongst people

[split mortar]

It looks like they’re worshipping ml if you have no context and see just the front bit at the dungeon

[limpid saddle]

i brought that up yeah

[untold oracle]

Yharim bought a property in the dungeon

[split mortar]

I’d assume a extinction event that led to the gods arising would be known

[pliant ruin]

I should buy a dungeon

to put my enemies

[spare pier]

Well you're actually wrong because in the Vanilla Bestiary Rewrite we're doing some of the enemies actually were Dragon Cultists

[pliant ruin]

they will be fed 1 cookie per week

[split mortar]

They still allowed it

[spare pier]

Like, they

[untold oracle]

Chees is turning evil again…

[spare pier]

Actually helped with the guarding and shit

[pliant ruin]

Fuck you're right

[split mortar]

They still have the guy the ability to concentration camp

[pliant ruin]

calm down creature

[hoary cape]

I am pretty sure LC couldn't have done anything to stop yharim even if they wanted to especially when he had some powerful allies at the time

[limpid saddle]

How was I meant to know this non-integrated lore?

[mighty zenith]

azazel is coming out

[limpid saddle]

i've been here for 2 weeks

[gritty kraken]

Yharon left Yharim after Yharim made Yhoin

[spare pier]

You weren't that's why I'm telling you

[split mortar]

Probably been said here before idk

Also yeah they told you…

[mighty zenith]

when the lore is discussed !

[limpid saddle]

then here we stand

[spare pier]

I love how the Dungeon has like

[gritty kraken]

Chat can we reinvent Magic pls

[spare pier]

An unreasonable amount of deadly force inside of it

[split mortar]

Ceaseless void
Skeletron
Dungeon guardian
Lunatic cultist
Polterghast

[hoary cape]

Can we just nuke the dungeon

[mighty zenith]

i don't think it'd be enough

[limpid saddle]

weird how there arent any cages

[pliant ruin]

is dungeon guardian even like

real

reb is it real or is it just skeletron

[mighty zenith]

godzilla polter...

[limpid saddle]

did prisoners just like

[spare pier]

And you might think it's unreasonable, until you think that it's entirely reasonable considering how many prisoners that shit held from so many different places

[mighty zenith]

we should umm kill dungeon guardian

[spare pier]

Like, that thing had to be ready for a full on war

[limpid saddle]

Sleep on the spikes like shaolin monks

[gritty kraken]

Dungeon guardian after breaking vanilla powerscaling

[mighty zenith]

and make polter spawn when u go to the dungeon early

[hoary cape]

Nukes the dungeon and releases Godzilla polter

[pliant ruin]

LMAO

U GO TO DUNGEON PRE HM

AND POLTER JUST JUMPSCARES YOU

[untold oracle]

I headcanon it’s skeletron that kills the unruly explorers before they go too deep where they would be killed by polter to prevent its strengtheninh

[spare pier]

The Dungeon Guardian is part of Skeletron

I might as well explain it

The Skeletron curse makes so anyone who comes across the Old Man can't enter it

[hoary cape]

I mean if AS can spawn prehardemode why not polter until the polter changes that is

Simply never come across the old man

[split mortar]

And old guy stands at front

[untold oracle]

Progression skip potential…

[spare pier]

Yes, this implies that a player who never came across the Old Man could enter the Dungeon

[split mortar]

Pre boss polterghast when

[spare pier]

But think about it for a second

[split mortar]

The old man camps the dungeon entrance