lore-discussion

[cosmic minnow]

(Casually burning a bunch of thousands, maybe millions)

I tried to make mine have parallels with her

[untold oracle]

My oc irradiated two-thirds of the continent inhabitable because she tried to clean sulphurous sea

[real silo]

Is she stupid?

[untold oracle]

Kinda

It was mostly negligence

[hoary cape]

How to clean the sulphurous sea: dynamite

[cosmic minnow]

Mine is literally a heartless bastard that helped yharim by his own volition (back when yharim was at the start of his crusade he joined him) only to slowly realize his fault, attempts to redeem and kill yharim but fucking dies

(He also killed goozma)

Might be a bit edgy

[hoary cape]

The edge

[untold oracle]

Mine just suffered from ptsd and attempted to forget by keeping herself busy with terraforming projects, but each of them failed and only made her hate herself

[hoary cape]

Mine is no one because I don't have one

[cloud ibex]

mine managed to get telefragged onto terraria somehow, tries to get the hell out of there and in the process gets so sick of people still talking about yharim and the Crusade that they go to the aerie to beat the shit out of him

[devout grotto]

I have still yet to form a proper origin for my Terrarian

But all I have rn is that they're the prophesized hero that was talked about for years some time the Crusade started

[brave dew]

Who's stronger xeroc or nameless deity ?

I assume xeroc but creating a black hole is kinda strong ngl

[dusk laurel]

Nameless

[devout grotto]

🅱️ameless

[brave dew]

Damn

[cloud ibex]

ND is, like,

biblical God basically

[brave dew]

Can it beat goku ?

[dusk laurel]

Thank you

[cloud ibex]

Xeroc is just the god of primordial light

very powerful in their own right but they can't really compare to ND

[hoary cape]

Nameless deity is also not even a calamity thing lol

[brave dew]

Yeah i was just curious

[wheat walrus]

maybe

current scaling I have for Nameless Deity is Low Complex Multiverse Level (5D), not something I looked into much but I think it makes sense

Goku's scaling lowkey all over the place

[untold oracle]

Xeroc is essentially just a strong being
Nameless Deity is the omnipotent creator god that could reset the entire world if they wish so. The only reason why they give themselves limited stats is because they want to test you in a fair fight

[indigo glade]

But can Goku beat Kira?

[wheat walrus]

at least for Super, you'll have people scaling him anywhere between Universe Level to Boundless; big places like VSBW use Low Multiverse Level scaling, I personally like to stick with Low Complex Multiverse (5D too) because of multiple statements and feats that put Goku (at least end of super anime) beyond time, time is 4D so transcending it is 5D logically

[untold oracle]

Jjba Kira?

[indigo glade]

Light "Kira" Yagami.

[untold oracle]

Oh

[spare pier]

The Death Note only works on humans, therefore it's useless on Goku

[devout grotto]

Tbh I just have them just laying on the ground on some abandoned village and the Guide just found them one day

[indigo glade]

WHAT

Wait.

I need to read the rules.

[spare pier]

I think that's the funniest interaction in terms of crossovers

[wheat walrus]

lmao I remember when people were talking about Kira VS Beerus unironically based on that

[spare pier]

"Can Kira kill Goku?" no

The Death Note only works on humans

[devout grotto]

Wait how is Goku not human what 😭

[spare pier]

He's a Saiyan

[wheat walrus]

Goku is a Saiyan

lmao

silly monkey tail people

[devout grotto]

Ah I thought Saiyan stuff are just superpowers

[devout grotto]

I see I see

[wheat walrus]

saiyans when they become super

[spare pier]

No it's an entirely different race

[devout grotto]

Never really got exposed to Dragon Ball lore

[brave dew]

Wait but can the other kira kill goku tho ?

[spare pier]

No

[wheat walrus]

jjba kira? since he was mentioned earlier

[brave dew]

Ye

Technically goku would just explode and that's it

[spare pier]

Kira can't react to anything Goku does so like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brave dew]

Yeah but kira isnt made for 1v1 combat

If he like

[spare pier]

Yeah and we're talking about a 1v1 combat

[brave dew]

Fuck

[wheat walrus]

the way kira's ability works (it causes your entire body's structure to explode, regardless of physical durability) means that kira can blow up goku if he manages to make goku touch anything, but assuming goku is fighting that's gonna be kinda impossible ykno

[brave dew]

But if it wasnt would kira win ?

[wheat walrus]

if goku is not aware of kira let alone his ability, maybe

[brave dew]

Ig

[spare pier]

If you're talking specifically "Goku is trying to find Kira" then like, no because Kira's ability is literally an exact counter to this situation and the only person who can break out of it is Hayato exactly because he's the trigger for Bites the Dust

[brave dew]

Sp and tw could probably win too with time stop since their stand can go through body

[spare pier]

And also because he'd be too dumb to do it

[brave dew]

Hayato is so goated

[light linden]

hey is this a bad time rebecca?

[brave dew]

A bad time

Bad time...

[wheat walrus]

tad bime

[brave dew]

Time...

Time Stop !!!

[spare pier]

Assuming a 1v1 also no because Goku would just kill them before they can do anything

And even then Goku would just tank

[wheat walrus]

yea

[brave dew]

B-but he can go through

[wheat walrus]

what is a roadroller gon do

[brave dew]

And the funny punchy boi

[spare pier]

Stands still have to, y'know, interact with physical mass to deal damage

[brave dew]

They dont have to

[spare pier]

What's up?

[brave dew]

Sp can go through bodies

Like

A ghost

[spare pier]

Yeah and he doesn't do damage

[brave dew]

Cant he just smush his brain

[spare pier]

You do know how Ki works, right?

[brave dew]

Y-y-yeeaah

[spare pier]

It defends the entire body

This includes organ

[light linden]

just curious about something, how did azafurians get water?

[brave dew]

Alright jotaro cant win then

[spare pier]

Mostly trading

[light linden]

makes sense

[wheat walrus]

also yes goku has been seen countering hit's time-related abilities purely through speed and power, and jiren (who goku now beat) managed to completely destroy hit's time cage, to which vados (pretty sure it was her) acknowledged that jiren transcended time in that point; I think that a being as knowledgeable as an angel would know whether jiren did transcend time with his power or not

so yea time-related abilities might genuinely be useless since Goku would most likely brute force himself out of it

[mighty zenith]

its like minecraft logic

[light linden]

actually I just realized

[mighty zenith]

you can have a bucket of water, you just cant pour it out or else it vaporizes

[spare pier]

Oh yeah Hit's stuff is hilarious

I don't know if that specific stuff happens in the Manga but

[light linden]

azafurians prolly invented thermally insulated storage very fast

[mighty zenith]

jiren transcending time by just being really strong is

just great

i love super

[spare pier]

The anime is better in the regard that it really doesn't give a shit about Goku being stronger than Beerus

[brave dew]

What kind of anime character is that

[mighty zenith]

isnt manga beerus like
constantly stronger than them like every arc

[light linden]

since they couldn't have stores of water in normal containers

[spare pier]

I still think it's hilarious that if Super Saiyan Blue didn't exist NONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH BEERUS' POWER WOULD EXIST

If it was just

[indigo glade]

You can't fall on a bucket of water and live, but you can pour a water-filled bucket and live.

[spare pier]

God > Ultra Instinct

Then it'd be fine

[mighty zenith]

a lot of problems would be fixed by removing super saiyan blue

[spare pier]

But Blue being in the middle fucks shit up so much

[indigo glade]

What does SSB do?

[brave dew]

ND VS Beerus who wins ?

[wheat walrus]

god + super saiyan multiplier (50 times)

[mighty zenith]

its just the god power but controlled, meaning you lose much less stamina from it

[spare pier]

Super Saiyan God is stated to have made Beerus use 70% of its power in the anime and 40% in the manga

[mighty zenith]

iirc

[spare pier]

Super Saiyan Blue is that but 50 times stronger

[indigo glade]

Oh.

[mighty zenith]

i dont know why ssb exists

[wheat walrus]

silly, super saiyan blue was also initially referred to as super saiyan god super saiyan; and in its introduction Goku talks about how it's literally that, ssjg + ssj

[spare pier]

And it's been continuously stated in the manga that Goku and Vegeta are not on Beerus' level

[mighty zenith]

the name is stupid, the transformation is boring, it makes the story worse by just existing

[spare pier]

So like

Blue fundamentally Does Not Work

[mighty zenith]

and then there's ssb evolved which comes out of nowhere and theres like no reason for it to exist

[spare pier]

Tbh it's really easy to explain that as just

Super Saiyan Blue 2

Which has a precedent

[mighty zenith]

it was just

"hey goku's gonna become really fucking strong we should give vegeta something" but before they came up with super ego

[spare pier]

Byeah like

If Blue didn't exist, even if Goku pulled God Kaioken X20

You could still argue that even if it is stronger than Beerus

[wheat walrus]

goku getting 1000 times stronger than ssjgod with blue and also kaiokenx20 together, then getting ultra instinct that is way stronger than that altogether, only to mastering it, perfecting it and utilizing it in many ways to be stronger and beerus still going "you 2 won't reach me in a million years if you keep it up like this"

[wheat walrus]

they could've expanded on that quick hint of regenerative abilities that (I think) they showed in the anime, or was it the BoG movie can't remember

[spare pier]

Goku would never beat Beerus with it because he's skilled enough to just outlast it

Jiren also being so fucking strong is also a problem tho yeah

[mighty zenith]

if i had a nickle for every dragon ball character that caught up to the main protagonists by getting an asspull power boost for no reason i'd have two nickles...

[spare pier]

If he was shown to directly overpower God X20

[mighty zenith]

i forgive golden frieza because he at least trained a bit

[spare pier]

Then Ultra Instinct's thing just

Wouldn't have worked

You can't tell me that Ultra Instinct would give him a powerboost high enough to be able to actually damage Jiren when he was shown to overpower a state of Goku where he is objectively stronger than Beerus

[mighty zenith]

i still think toppo should've been the main threat

[spare pier]

So like, the obvious solution would be to just have Jiren actually struggle there

And then Ultra Instinct becomes a much more reliable power source with added bonus which is still able to fight with Jiren

[spare pier]

Eh

I think what happened in the anime was the best alternative

Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren all being strong with Jiren being the clearly stronger guy

Because like, I still think this is something Dragon Ball suffers a lot with

[wheat walrus]

to this day there is no complete clarification on what was meant with Jiren being the mortal stronger than GoDs, I'd assume it was just referring to Belmod but I genuinely don't know since in the anime it felt pretty consistent that Jiren was, to an extent greater than not just Belmod, and the whole thing with Mastered Ultra Instinct in the anime genuinely felt like they were going for a narrative where Goku and Jiren are beyond the GoDs currently

[spare pier]

The fact that there is only ever one big fight and since Goku by this point is so above and beyond everyone they just get fucking nothing to do

Moro got tantalizingly close of solving this problem but they pushed the Goku Button

[spare pier]

Yeah no I think the anime very clearly was going for "they are stronger than the Gods of Destruction"

[mighty zenith]

it really does suck how much dragon ball has turned into the "Goku and sometimes Vegeta show"

[wheat walrus]

I think that at least for the anime, if you remove the 70% statement, handle what SSJB is a bit differently than just God but multiply that by 50, you'd have a very very solid narrative with Goku having reached and surpassed the gods of destruction

[spare pier]

I think it's been getting better lately with, as I said

Moro stuff

[mighty zenith]

the only potential benefit is that toyotaro may actually know how to write gohan and piccolo

i dont want a repeat of the buu saga

[untold oracle]

How much does the newest dragon ball powercreep from the original dragon ball

[spare pier]

And like, the next arc is very clearly shaping up to have at least Gohan and Piccolo there too

[mighty zenith]

but like also
give us a movie for the earthlings to do something please 😭

[spare pier]

And also Broly and Granola to a certain extent

And hopefully Gotenks

Like, I think it's fine to just

[wheat walrus]

Frieza starts Universal War because Kakumei fanmanga thing did something similar gang 😈

[spare pier]

Leave Krillin and Yamcha behind

[mighty zenith]

They've been teasing adult gotenks so much

[mighty zenith]

yeah no the earthlings just... dont belong with the main 5/6 now

[spare pier]

I think a bunch of the OG Dragon Ball characters are kinda just done with besides just being massively powercrept

I think all of them just

[mighty zenith]

you'd need to give them some asspull power ups but at that point just leave them behind

[spare pier]

Have complete character arcs

[mighty zenith]

MAYBE give them like a smaller threat to deal with

[spare pier]

There is nothing you can do with them from a character standpoint

[mighty zenith]

super hero showed you can have a db story without goku's involvement and it be pretty good

[spare pier]

ToP was the last hurrah for Kame and Krillin and that's it

[mighty zenith]

tien doing fucking nothing

[spare pier]

I STILL THINK

They should've got up to Tien

And he'd just go

"Nah I'm fine, sorry I don't want to participate"

AND THEN THEY ARE MISSING SOMEONE

AND THEY BRING BACK FREEZA

AND BUU GOES TO THE FUCKING TOURNAMENT

[wheat walrus]

so true

[mighty zenith]

GOD

i was so pissed

[wheat walrus]

Buu went asleep right before a tournament twice in a row

[mighty zenith]

they showed a new look for buu actually training

[spare pier]

Like, this would've been 500 times better than blue balling us on Buu fighting AGAIN

[mighty zenith]

and they did fucking nothing with it

he got one fight with goku

[indigo glade]

Lore.

[wheat walrus]

yea lore

[mighty zenith]

whats lore

i dont know lore

[wheat walrus]

gang this is so #general-talk

[hoary cape]

Lore

[mighty zenith]

(yeah no lets move)

[wheat walrus]

this is the most lorecore the chat has ever gotten

[mighty zenith]

on

[spare pier]

It'd both show character growth for Tien and have given us Freeza again so like, nothing would've been changed

Anyways yeah

[spare pier]

On another note recently I've been writing some of the Legendary Item tooltips and I believe I cooked with Blossom Flux

[manic coral]

To not keep stuff too off topic but to still respond since I feel a need to, I'll just sum up what I want to say in a single message:

Correct. And also I will say the manga handles SSB a lot better by treating it more like Kaio-ken functionally so SSG gets used FAR more due to SSB's power being inconsistent. And also I'm pretty sure in the manga it's never stated or said anywhere or even implied to be a full-on times fucking FIFTEY power boost. The manga also makes it a lot more clear that Ultra Instinct isn't a powerup, it's a technique. It doesn't make Goku any stronger. The Manga also makes a far better demonstration of Jiren not actually being that much stronger at all than Goku or Vegeta or whatever, he jsut has better technique and uses his pwoer highly effeciently, basically being able to just go from 0 to 100 and back to 0 again in a snap of the fingers.

Tl;dr the manga is better about basically everything narratively and it's kind of imopressive and also giving MUI an aura is stupid and entirely against the point of what it is why did the anime choose it give it an aura it doesnt even look good it's ugly as hell

Anyways I'm going back to editing the tooltip for Pristine Fury that Reb wrote

[stark basalt]

guys can yharim beat goku

[spare pier]

No

[mighty zenith]

i like the signs aura :(

[manic coral]

sign's aura is fine

MUI's aura is not

[mighty zenith]

oh fair yeah

[manic coral]

i have no issue with Sign having an aura

[mighty zenith]

anyway lets not go back to dragon ball again

we need to lore

[spare pier]

I like MUI's aura

[manic coral]

coughing baby vs. hydrodgen bomb

[spare pier]

Anyways

[manic coral]

actually i think coughing baby vs. hydrogen bomb is a closer matchup than yharim vs. goku

[deft vessel]

Some lore we do have here

[spare pier]

Y'know it's kinda fucked up that my work for Calamity is probably my least derived work

Even if Otonilou is essentially just

Otohime One Piece

[hybrid barn]

Which one it Otonilou, again?

[mighty zenith]

jellyfish goddess

of electricity

illmeris

that stuff

[stark basalt]

isn’t otohime a goldfish tho?

[hybrid barn]

She is, but I'm guessing it's more character-wise

[stark basalt]

Yh mb I realised

haven’t watched one piece since the hiatus tbh

[spare pier]

I think the fact that I basically copied the first half of her name says enough

[hybrid barn]

Ah yeah, same! I watched an episode of the re-edit, then I lost interest in that and just decided to wait until the main story comes back

[spare pier]

And then the second half is Nilou from Genshin Impact

[mighty zenith]

i cant believe this

calamity is ruined

[spare pier]

Which, that Nilou has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER

[stark basalt]

I mean

water?

[spare pier]

I just picked Nilou because it means "Nile"

And sounded good enough

[stark basalt]

hydro character ig

[spare pier]

Otonilou's mean roughly translates to "Sound of the Nile"

And by "roughly" I mean "if you translate the two halves of it into different languages"

[manic coral]

clearly this means africa is canonical in cal

[spare pier]

Her name Works but I must say I could've done a much better job

[mighty zenith]

sweden is

[spare pier]

Specially now that I know how name ethymology works

[mighty zenith]

[wheat walrus]

statistically, it is

[manic coral]

eh i think about that about most early things i wrote for cal

[mighty zenith]

to kill a coughing baby the bomb has to explode so its a tie as both sides die at the same time

to kill yharim goku just has to sneeze

[hybrid barn]

Counterpoint: the hydrogen bomb can roll over the baby

[deft vessel]

But can Goku beat Goku tho?! Huh

[mighty zenith]

requires a third party input to roll over sorry

[manic coral]

yes. i've beaten Goku (Super) as Goku (Z, End) in Sparking Zero many times

[hybrid barn]

Damn, got me beat there...

[mighty zenith]

end of z goku main?

[manic coral]

yes

[mighty zenith]

based

[wheat walrus]

this is insane!!!

[deft vessel]

I should watch DB

[manic coral]

halo, in the Sacred World of the Kais map

[mighty zenith]

BASED

[strange stump]

i have returned from my walk

hi everybody

[mighty zenith]

kai world is the best map in the game honestly

hello spac

[manic coral]

agreed

[wheat walrus]

you should not watch it nor read it your should listen :///

[strange stump]

there is knee deep snow outside

[manic coral]

in solo abttles i start in SSJ2

[deft vessel]

Nah. I will smell it

[stark basalt]

who spawned cryogen bruh

[manic coral]

i also like Tien and Frieza

those three usually make up my team in DP battles

[wheat walrus]

what about tasting it

[strange stump]

i should go back

it was pretty lovely

[mighty zenith]

i dont really play online but ive had fun with z gogeta

and buuhan

[deft vessel]

Perhaps even feeling it

[manic coral]

buutenks is more fun imo

[mighty zenith]

havent played him much

[manic coral]

and ok im going to try not to get off topic again

[strange stump]

i can literally hide myself in the snow

[manic coral]

yeah cal stuff

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[manic coral]

i need to work on more permafrost stuff later

[deft vessel]

What is his favourite ice cream flavour?

[manic coral]

yeah

[stark basalt]

ice

probably

[spare pier]

Felt funny writing Pristine Fury's tooltip

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

he prefers warm coffee

[dusk laurel]

Providence is a socialist

[spare pier]

And fun fact

[manic coral]

wdyn. socialism is when the government does things sometimes.

[spare pier]

Actually I can't say this without it being a spoiler

[manic coral]

havent you heard

smh

:/

[mighty zenith]

say it to cei in this chat

it wont be intended for us therefore not a spoiler :)

[deft vessel]

🧠

[dusk laurel]

I mixed up the 2

[strange stump]

what did you mix up

[dusk laurel]

socialism and communism

Brain fart

[strange stump]

_ _

_ _

hey are you american?

[dusk laurel]

Yep

[manic coral]

i was making a joke

hence

smh
:/

[hoary cape]

That implies that you think people read

They don't

[strange stump]

i could tell
if i did a mistake like that, my history teacher would execute me

[hoary cape]

Oof

[dusk laurel]

Makes sense

[manic coral]

what do you mean, socialism and communism are DEFINITLY the same thing: when the government does something :/

ok anyways yeah lore

have been trying to think of all the major things permafrost would reasonably be able to have a onversation about

[pliant ruin]

zolgola

[strange stump]

real quick before we return
i shit you not, i have lost points for not writing a political party in its native language
its that crazy out here

anyway

[light linden]

does he talk about cryonic's creation and/or reason for creation?

[manic coral]

in his introduction yes

[pliant ruin]

cei can you add Zolgola pls

hi i just woke up

[manic coral]

thats already covered

[pliant ruin]

i had a noightmare about a scary chainsaw guy

[manic coral]

also hello cheese

[light linden]

what about his reasoning for focusing on ice magic?

[manic coral]

yeah imma make for to have that

[stark basalt]

is his birth name permafrost or something different

[pliant ruin]

i imagine his birth name is not permafrost

because uhm

Yeah 😭

[light linden]

I think it's an earned name like Rain from mk1

[manic coral]

it'd be funny but no

[pliant ruin]

Imagine being born and ur parents call u Flameheat or something

[light linden]

I mean

[stark basalt]

Elon musk

[manic coral]

Archmage Permafrost is an earned nickname

[deft vessel]

Huh like every calamity character has changed their name

[light linden]

I know two people named propane

[pliant ruin]

Yharon's name is real i think

To be fair

Calamity naming conventions kinda suck tbh

Like

Yharim. Yharon

[manic coral]

listen there needs to be some in-universe reason why so many people have names that dont logically make sense if you think about it for 5 seconds

[deft vessel]

Well… he is a dragon

[manic coral]

[pliant ruin]

Draedon is just a pokemon character name with like 2 letters changed

[deft vessel]

Logical

[cloud ibex]

didn't yharim canonically name himself after yharon

[stark basalt]

yharon + HIM = yharim

makes sense

[manic coral]

and it's not like i can really change of of their names

[light linden]

actually since you're the writer for permafrost stuff could you possibly answer a question for me?

[manic coral]

i think people would riot if i did

[light linden]

ok np

[pliant ruin]

Calamity naming conventions are literally "wouldn't it sound cool"

[manic coral]

whats up

[light linden]

oh that was in response to this not what I said lmao

[manic coral]

yeha i was typing that before your meesage even sent

[light linden]

is permafrost native to the heartlands?

[manic coral]

[deft vessel]

That looks really funny

[manic coral]

no

[deft vessel]

How big is the continent?

[manic coral]

who knows

doesnt rally matter

as big as you wanna imagine it to be

[deft vessel]

🫵

[light linden]

ngl

[manic coral]

whatever you feel like makes sense

[light linden]

it'd be funny if permafrost was azafurian

[manic coral]

eh we already hava an azafurian character.

technically three if we count Demolistionist and Tax Collector which yeha a minor detail i am writing in

theya re from Azafure

[light linden]

just realized

[manic coral]

just yeah the horns and ashen skin is a side effect of families who have lived there long enough havign adaptions to the envrionment of the underworld that most dont

[light linden]

could the angler be an orphan due to illmeris being burned?

[manic coral]

actually that is something i was kinda thinking of going for

but am still debating it

[light linden]

I think it'd be interesting

[deft vessel]

Is the eye of Xeroc unique for Xeroc or a generla PL sigil?

[manic coral]

general PL sigil

[deft vessel]

Perfect

[light linden]

then again how long ago was the incineration?

[pliant ruin]

not very long ago

like a decade or so iirc?

[manic coral]

at the start of the game, little over a decade

[devout grotto]

Oh that's good to know :O

[light linden]

hmm

[deft vessel]

It would be cool if Xeroc had it as an eye tattoo

[light linden]

that would mean the angler would have to be over 12

[light linden]

fun fact

[manic coral]

and the angler i feel like acts like an overly entitled, trying to be kinda edgy 15 year old

so

[stark basalt]

emo angler is wild

[light linden]

I've seen someone with the eye of xeroc tattooed on them

it was on their stomach though

[deft vessel]

Intresting

[pliant ruin]

so what ur saying is that angler would have sigma/male in his pronouns section in his discord bio and make funny dark humour jokes (racism

[light linden]

cheese

do not ever say that again please

[pliant ruin]

look man she said overly entitled edgy 15 year old

you know it's true

[light linden]

eh

[deft vessel]

He would also have like a wolf pfp

[stark basalt]

not the alpha 😭

[light linden]

idk if they've had enough exposure to non fish stuff to act like that

ngl

[spring helm]

Angler's 15?

the hell i thought he was like 8

[light linden]

I'd kinda wanna see the angler explaining the briny baron or the sea's searing

or whatever the term is for the legendary weapon dialogue

[spring helm]

"Hey, you know what they say about Azafurians. [The most vile racist shit you couldn't even imagine] hahahaha... why aren't you laughing?"

[pliant ruin]

Many such cases.

It's okay he'll grow out of it

[light linden]

ngl though I feel like briny baron was some kind of illmerian weapon

[spring helm]

you're telling me this creatura is as old as Vanilin?

[spring helm]

what makes you say that

[light linden]

who is vanilin?

[deft vessel]

Tbh vanilin sounds like medicine

[light linden]

how it looks

it looks like it was made with materials from illmeris at least

[deft vessel]

[light linden]

who is that directed towards?

[spring helm]

[dusk laurel]

.

[light linden]

oh you

sorry

[dusk laurel]

It's fine

[untold oracle]

Haii

[untold oracle]

He would make Yharim sigma edits

[dusk laurel]

Haii

[rotund shore]

😭 I get people hating angler but this is vile

[devout grotto]

😭😭😭😭

[zenith steppe]

is sepulcher a future version of DoG or smth

[strange stump]

nah

[cloud ibex]

no

unrelated necromantic construct

metastasis' tooltip is just a metaphor

[split mortar]

“WHAT THE FUCK IS A METAPHOR 🦅” image here

[abstract gyro]

hi guys, haven't been following the lore since like april (after the big lore drop happened), have I missed something?

I remember there were some draedon posts in twitter or something that I didn't follow

[pliant ruin]

Alot probably yeah

[wheat walrus]

you mean draetalk drop

[abstract gyro]

before that actually

[wheat walrus]

oh

[abstract gyro]

is the lore document updated or not really

[wheat walrus]

you really only missed dev statements, but a lot of them

[wheat walrus]

yes it has draetalk

[pliant ruin]

yeah lore doc is up to date

[abstract gyro]

oh cool imma check it

[wheat walrus]

and all other stuff, but not much was added after april (2024, imagine 2023 lol)

[ionic fjord]

Is there a given reason for why Yharon's soul wasn't eaten when he last died, why the gods threw the egg in the lava when they could've just given it to someone else, or why the player can craft stuff with yharon's soul without killing him forever?

[hoary cape]

We don't know the ritual to actually utilize his soul in the same way the gods did

Also the gods never threw it in the lava that was their followers

They were the ones who tossed yharim into the lava

[split mortar]

Yharons soul is mostly intact after our fight

The fragments are so minuscule it does nothing to the guys ability to revive

Also yharons full soul seems to instantly blip towards the aerie so it’s prob very hard to get

And it was good followers so they may have just been idiot and did dumb thing

[spare pier]

That is infact what happens

Yharon has a somewhat scuffed control over his own Soul after his death, which allows him to put it back on the Aerie and thus start his rebirth process. To absorb his Soul, one would need to kill Yharon, go to the Aerie and find his egg, and perform the ritual on the egg

That's a very big part of why Yharon lasted so long. His Soul was particularly difficult to absorb

[ionic fjord]

But why chuck the egg away?

[split mortar]

I thought it took a decade for the birb to become egg

[spare pier]

I think it was a bunch of different factors

[ionic fjord]

Also would god-king yharim have been on par with Xeratros?

[spare pier]

1 - Frustration
2 - The egg would be respawned in the Aerie soon enough, so it was basically a non-issue to get it back
3 - To mock Yharim

[ionic fjord]

I see

[spare pier]

It's 10 years for him to come back

[split mortar]

Yeah I know

[spare pier]

So the egg showing up again and the hatching

I think the egg spawning is fairly quick, the hatching is what takes so long

[split mortar]

I thought it was that egg appeared after a while then hatches not much time till hatch

[spare pier]

Yharon has a superb amount of control over the Soul but so much over the body

[fading helm]

btw does this mean that technically yharon was killed 10 years before yharim incident (so basically atleast some dudes knew of auric dragons) or they just kept killing the egg

also surprised no one did the ritual in the egg for 1000 years

[spare pier]

The thing is

How would they get to the Aerie?

Like, we've already stabilished that getting there isn't as simple as just walking up to it

But yes, it does mean Yharon was killed less than 10 years before the God-king attempt

[cloud ibex]

does make me wonder how anyone got a hold of the egg at all if it always reappears in the aerie

[sinful adder]

Was the old concept of "dragons hoarding gold" an inspiration for the dynamic of auric stuff and dragons?

[spare pier]

I dunno

Auric was a thing for a long time and it was always associated with Yharim

[fading helm]

I mean but then how did they get the gg

egg*

[spare pier]

Who is associated with Yharon

So

[spare pier]

Exactly

[fading helm]

interesting

[sinful adder]

Then no, but I imagine the parallel formed accidentally after the fact

[fading helm]

cus like to kill yharon

that takes quite the effort

[sinful adder]

One of the main things about dragons in fiction is hoarding gold, after all

[spare pier]

Like, yeah the group of Gods who tried to do the God-king stuff got Yharon's Egg, which means they got to the Aerie

[ionic fjord]

Auric Soul is the name for a dragon soul...so Yharim's armor must be crafted with Yharon or possibly a god's essence?

[fading helm]

nah

he is just attuned to yharon

which makes him auric approved

[dusk laurel]

Auric ore generates after a dragon dies

[sinful adder]

Auric is the special power the dragons had in their souls and also the metal that has that same power

[fading helm]

idk if this is true in canon

[ionic fjord]

Yeah that's what I mean.

[fading helm]

even if it is then he just used the auric from the dragons that died like 1000 years ago

[dusk laurel]

It is

[spare pier]

I wished Auric Ore was there all the time tbf

[hot valve]

Hello lore chat

It is my birthday today

[dusk laurel]

Happy birthday

[pliant ruin]

happy birday

[hot valve]

Thank you :)

[spare pier]

If only because I think it's really funny and also very compelling in the sense that you spend the entire game seeing Auric Ore, the strongest in the entire world, just there all the time

And then after Yharon you can finally get it

[pliant ruin]

i think that would be cooler than how it is rn ngl

[dusk laurel]

I agree

[pliant ruin]

would be cool storytelling in the sense it'd show how far the player has gotten

[spare pier]

However, there is a very genuine gameplay concern in the sense that it's nearly impossible to balance Auric Rejection for early game

[fading helm]

some random miner getting desintegrated:

😭

at 1203 bc

wait what is the terraria year table

is it something like "before xeroc"

[spare pier]

And also because adding Another Underground Hazard on top of a permanent wall for anything you want to do there sounds very annoying

[fading helm]

and "after xeroc"

[spare pier]

Like, I think the wall thing is the actual problem

[ionic fjord]

My current headcannon(that iknusing for my dnd campaign) is that Xeroc is the god of destiny and puppetteered Yharim's entire life to remove the threats to his power, and Yharim, whose catchphrase is 'destiny is for the weak' got depressed when he realized that.
Thoughts?

[spare pier]

Imaigne you're building a hellevator and then

Auric Ore Jumpscare

And you can't continue making it

[fading helm]

you mean zeratros the dragon?

or is that some rando new god i havent heard about

[pliant ruin]

Xeratros is a very very close name to Zeratros so you might want to change it

It kinda ends up being a Yharim Yharon situation :p

[spare pier]

It's literally the same pronounciation btw

[fading helm]

yeah but i think he means smth else

because zeratros is the dragon of light

[ionic fjord]

Oh I mean the great betrayer? Is that the right one?

[spare pier]

Xeroc

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is that one

[fading helm]

xeroc?

[pliant ruin]

Zeratros is the dragon

[fading helm]

yeah

[ionic fjord]

Oh

[pliant ruin]

And xeroc is the god of light

[fading helm]

he is the dragon of primordial light tho

i mean god

[pliant ruin]

hes also kinda chill

[fading helm]

cap

hate that bum

[pliant ruin]

love or hate him cant deny hes kinda chill

[fading helm]

hmm

[spare pier]

Byeah, I think if there was a way of making Auric Ore not obstruct player's for 90% of the game, it'd work very well

But if it did then well

Yeah kinda stinky

[ionic fjord]

Anyway, thoughts?

[pliant ruin]

Well i wouldn't say that's really a "headcanon" because it directly conflicts with canon

[ionic fjord]

Make it require a late-game forge but be destroyed by low-teir pick mayhaps.

[fading helm]

It would work more for a fan fic or an OC

[pliant ruin]

Like just being objective here

[fading helm]

or an unused god

like idk

[dusk laurel]

I think auric rejection is the larger problem

[ionic fjord]

I see. Yeah I just filled in the blanks.

[dusk laurel]

Not being indestructible at previous tiers

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is the god of primordial light and while his goals are not clear rn it's safe to say he's probably not such a bad guy

[gritty kraken]

hookless terrarian when the cave they’re falling into have auric ores floor

[cloud ibex]

pinball machine

[pliant ruin]

Like at the very least he's not villainous - Maybe morally gray but he's not really like. ⚡ the true villain ⚡

[fading helm]

atp he is a goodish two shoes it seems

maybe not completeely

like he does what is necessary

for the greater good

[pliant ruin]

I don't think he's 100% benevolent but i also dont think hes a bad guy

[ionic fjord]

Yeah I had a feeling. Totally the bbeg for my campaign though. A foe who can control fate itself is terrifying.

[pliant ruin]

yeah

smth like that

[fading helm]

that is what I imagine for him

[pliant ruin]

Nothing wrong with diverging from canon but tbf yharim himself already is a fantastic bbeg

[fading helm]

I think if he saw a child getting robbed he would stop it

just a headcanon

[ionic fjord]

Well, I wonder if there's a rat's chance in hell they'll spare him lol.

[spare pier]

It's exactly this

Auric Rejection can be circumvented and hell, even have a frankly pitiful damage before Yharon

But if it can't be mined then it just becomes one giant rock that you can't do anything about when exploring the UG

[pliant ruin]

Yharim?

[ionic fjord]

Ye

[pliant ruin]

Like in ur campagin or in calamity itself

[spare pier]

Making a hellevator and if it happens to collide with an Auric Ore Vein you just get fucked

[ionic fjord]

My campaign. Though idk if we'll get that option in-game.

[pliant ruin]

Ah ic

Yeah cuz i was gonna say ingame uh hes just gonna die

but it'd be funny if ur players spared him

[spare pier]

I think the only way a Yharim spare would ever work is if it's Freeza-style

Let him live solely so he can live with the shame of losing

[pliant ruin]

ahab limbus

[spare pier]

But like, he is specifically looking for a final fight so

[ionic fjord]

I personally am a bit on his side but he seems like someone who wants to be slain so...yeah.

[spare pier]

That wouldn't work unless you were a God

[pliant ruin]

Not Quite

He dosen't want to be slain

But he is willing to if it means he fullfills his goals

He's quite literally just going for the armstrong approach

[ionic fjord]

Yeah for you to kill xeroc

[cloud ibex]

i wonder if he actually knows just how powerful xeroc is

[ionic fjord]

Lol what if you spare him by just sequence breaking to Xeroc first

[cloud ibex]

cause i feel like if he did he wouldn't even bother trying to convince you because of how big the gap is

[pliant ruin]

Well in that case it'd be even worse

[ionic fjord]

"Xeroc? Oh yeah I already took care of that guy a few days ago."

[pliant ruin]

Because the Xeroc fight is just a friendly spar

You literally go "Oh yea xeroc thats my buddy"

[ionic fjord]

Lol

[pliant ruin]

How to crush yharim's hopes and dreams in one sentence 😭

Deserved tbf

[ionic fjord]

We played golf with the golfer a few days back.

[cloud ibex]

"oh yeah i chuffed back some fat darts with them the other day, i can try to get you in contact if you'd like"

[ionic fjord]

Xeroc got a hole in 0

[calm patio]

yharim not being pleased after previously asking xeroc and xeroc denies yharims doobie

[cloud ibex]

nah i much prefer to imagine that they wouldn't be naturally cracked at it and that's why they enjoy it so much as a pastime

[pliant ruin]

That is the true reason why Yharim started genocide....

Xeroc denied his doobie

[cloud ibex]

they aren't naturally advantaged through sheer strength so they still have to actually try

[pliant ruin]

Do u think Xeroc can drop some bars

I know permafrost can

[ionic fjord]

Permafrost is the fun unckle we all wish for.

[cloud ibex]

for whatever reason that made me imagine one of those meme news images where lebron james does some stupid mistake like trying to enter the dungeon early

except instead it's "Xeroc, God of Primordial Light accused of bringing pre-written raps to the freestyle rap battle"

[ionic fjord]

Who would be there to give me obviously unreliable narration about my foes if I killed Yharim? :C

[pliant ruin]

Uhhh

John Wulfrum??

[dusk laurel]

John Wulfrum is always there

But he's way more reliable than Yharim so that might not work

[ionic fjord]

Kinda confusing that there's a god of light and a god of the sun when there's only like 7 gods mentioned in the whole lore...hmm...

[spare pier]

There isn't a God of the Sun

[ionic fjord]

Wtf is the- how- what- why- who df is Providence then??

[cloud ibex]

we don't know

overall to my knowledge the devs like the sound of Ash as her domain

[spare pier]

Yeah

[ionic fjord]

Thats even more confusing lol

[spare pier]

Providence absorbed the Auric Soul of Flame

[cloud ibex]

(personally i like Cinders because Dark Soles)

[spare pier]

Why would it become Sun?

There are some leftovers of her Sun connections but hopefully all of them will be changed by the next update

[cloud ibex]

xeroc is closer to a god of the sun because the sun in cal is a ball of primordial light

[pliant ruin]

providence being the goddess of the sun is a very old lore thing

beyond her being hot (like, literally, i mean) there isnt really any actual meaningfull connection beetween her and the sun

[spare pier]

She can be hot in both ways if you want

[cloud ibex]

reb................................................

[pliant ruin]

reb.

she's a rock reb.

[dusk laurel]

Reb

[cloud ibex]

☹️

[spare pier]

I meant before she became a rock.............

[pliant ruin]

ok true

perhaps.

[cloud ibex]

reb...........................................................................................................................

[pliant ruin]

no hold on let her cook..

[cloud ibex]

[wheat walrus]

because fire is hot and sun is hotter, natural evolution dummy

[pliant ruin]

i'm gonna naturally evolve you

[wheat walrus]

besides the sun can cause fires in places like california and the sun can also burn you

[dusk laurel]

California isn't real

[pliant ruin]

providence the goddess of california

[wheat walrus]

it won't be real in 2030 because the sun will burn it

but yea providence is truly the sun goddess it makes sense because the sun burns you like fire and the sun is bigger it's just that the auric soul of flame fused with providence's fire soul and became fire+ which is the sun

therefore providence is star level

[gritty kraken]

Fire+water=lava mindset

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

that's true yknow lava is in a partially liquefied state, like water, but it burns too

[wheat walrus]

yes

[gritty kraken]

polterghast might be beyond star level

[wheat walrus]

she didn't destroy the planet because terraria's planet is bigger than the irl universe btw which means that draedon is universe level

[heavy oriole]

ahem-hmm
YHARIM, LOOK!
WITCHES BE WILDIN'!

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

I will gradually and painfully destroy every layer of your existence, from the superficial skin and hair, to the last bit of conceptual connection you have to any form of existence

[heavy oriole]

Promise~?

[wheat walrus]

yes

will do that in 12 august 2036

[heavy oriole]

I'm gonna be dead

I have three days to live

[gritty kraken]

the H

[wheat walrus]

that makes my mission easier btw

[soft geyser]

noxus is weaker than xeroc right

[wheat walrus]

yes

[cloud ibex]

yes

[wheat walrus]

[dusk laurel]

yes

[soft geyser]

Also is fosvos stronger too or he is under noxus

[gritty kraken]

above I think

[wheat walrus]

we don't truly know but developers do generally lean into fovos being stronger than noxus

[soft geyser]

Isn’t there an offical poweranking thing

[gritty kraken]

buhyeah

[ionic fjord]

Wait is this true wtf?

[wheat walrus]

(no)

all of what I said there and right before is funny yapping

[cosmic zenith]

"Official" (not really)

Just Cei's opinion on the matter

Fairly accurate, but not officialized

[fading helm]

its also kinda old

i realllyyyy doubt noxus is like

yharim level

basically

considering he is supposedly a superboss

oh wait no

I read wrong

nvm

loll

[real silo]

Noxus would turn yharim into string cheese

[fading helm]

I think like

yharim can hold his own

for a fair amount of time

who would win
The whole force of the crusade vs noxus and the distortion

Personally I have the crusade winning

unless the mobs from the distortion are op asf

in comparasion to the army

[cloud ibex]

the crusade does presumably lose out on a fair bit of manpower since i doubt DoG would go against Noxus

[real silo]

The crusade has like

Mechs level godseekers
Yharon
Yharim
Post provi arsenal

[fading helm]

I think it would turn out
Yharon vs DoG
Draedon, Scal and yharim vs noxus
The army and some chars like permafrost and mechs vs the distortion goons and signus

[real silo]

Right ig scal and draedon counts

[fading helm]

then it depends on who finishes their fights first

Maybe noxus just carries tho who knows

[real silo]

Exos didn't exist until after draedon left so they aren't considered part of the crusade

[fading helm]

ohh

true

hm

oh thats a big hit

can see distortion winning unless yharon finishes dog fast and helps yharim and scal then

[wheat walrus]

well, it being from a developer does make it official, just not definitive

[cosmic zenith]

Ehhhhh

Not really

[wheat walrus]

[cosmic zenith]

Official implies that it's something we've collectively agreed to use

Which is not the case

[wheat walrus]

that is not included in the definition of official silly gangster

I will now blow up your skin

[cosmic zenith]

How so

Things are official to the mod, not to developers

And the mod is made through collective agreement

[wheat walrus]

official within this context means coming from an official source, what you're describing on agreements means a definitive and official decision

something can be official, as in coming from any form of official source, while not being definitive in any way

this isn't really relevant though

it doesn't change anything since the power level list is not canon or collectively agreed as you said

[indigo glade]

Quick. Stipulate Venus. Say that the Terrarian is Omegaoutshitversal, and forever damn Omni.

[wheat walrus]

that does not change anything

[cosmic zenith]

I'm omegaoutshitversal....

[gritty kraken]

All words from developers are official
Even a jokes
and they must be spread as fast as possible

[wheat walrus]

these days with calamity I rarely consider developer statements for my own scaling stuff, the only time I did was to calculate Calamitas boiling a sea more properly, and I think those descriptions I got won't be directly or even indirectly contradicted by anything that will be canon ngl, if they are then I will be remaking the thing

other than that, I don't consider dev statements like "xeroc can destroy most of the moon with his strongest attack" in my scaling because that has never been shown or implied in canon sources, and dev statements about the moon kinda give it away that it may not even be the same size as ours, that is consistent with stars in calamity but yea

other than that, I may consider stuff like in-universe comparisons, "pre-ascension xeroc is comparable to yharon" or "fovos is stronger than noxus and everyone else except xeroc" or "zeratros is comparable to yharim", if there's nothing canon that says anything about this, or if what the canon says can be further supported by these statements, and especially if these statements are not contradicted by other dev statements, which happens; pre-ascension xeroc used to be comparable to yharim, not yharon in power. main reason for me using these statements mainly and not others is because usually they are related to a character that will not be in the game or that will not be a boss, and that doesn't have much canon information currently, therefore leaving us only with the choice of looking into these in-universe comparison statements from devs

so idk if stip cei reb and others suddenly decided that devourer of gods truly can cause space, time and the universe to collapse by existing I would not be eating any of that unless it's specified within canon stuff, so ingame and ig in the lore doc that's pinned on this channel too, that is where Noxus being a thing in new lore is revealed outside of dev statements

[indigo glade]

So what you are saying is that Yharim's favourite pizza topping is definitely potatoes.

[wheat walrus]

and yea I wanna point out that canonically noxus is not a thing, just a thing that's implied to exist behind the ceaseless void

[wheat walrus]

[rotund shore]

Quick question, EoL dies right?

[wheat walrus]

what

[indigo glade]

Yes...?

[wheat walrus]

we kill her

[rotund shore]

I just want to make sure idk

[wheat walrus]

unless they pull out some elemental stuff or astrum deus stuff we do kill her there

[spring helm]

infinite egg glitch?

turn Yharon into an omelette factory

man i've been pronouncing Xeroc wrong the whole time if the first part is supposed to be identical to Zeratros

either that or Zeratros is pronounced "Zee-rah-tross"

[robust osprey]

I pronunce xeroc like

xerrouc

[cosmic zenith]

😎

[wheat walrus]

Cseroc

Xeroc's name is annoying on my poor italian tongue, so I usually pronounce it as something around Seroc/Zeroc

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, I pronounce it as Zeroc too

[manic coral]

correcto

[wheat walrus]

It's kinda hard to understand these pronounciation talk that happens especially with english language

I write/type/chat a lot in english but I don't talk nearly as much of it

Being italian where the only way to pronounce anything is how it's written for the most part, it's kinda hard to properly understand pronounciation talk

[fading helm]

Isnt it smth like

xe-ro-c

or xe-roc

how can it be similar to zera

[sinful adder]

See, the problem is that X is a fake letter and is usually just Z when pronounced

You have to strain it really hard to make it something else, and then it's "KS" instead of "Z"

[robust osprey]

in spanish everyone do "KS" instead of "Z"

so I do like, kserrouc

atleast in argentina

[sinful adder]

I see

But then that's just the reverse problem

[robust osprey]

actually kseggouc cause my dumbass cant pronunce "RR" without it sounding like "GRG"

byeah

[wheat walrus]

ksegrggrgouc

But yea X is just aesthetic

[robust osprey]

you ain't lying to me, this is his cannon name

[olive schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRuwCLF6rBM&list=RDMT6HTpY_OyE&index=3
who is this guy >w<

[magic epoch]

dokuro?

it's kinda literally just them

[olive schooner]

they arent canon ?? 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[magic epoch]

Unfortunately......

just kinda a self insert of the terrarian (who is like just a guy kinda)

[wheat walrus]

That's Dokuro's character guy, not related to Calamity but to Dokuro themselves; even assuming they are Dokuro's Terrarian they wouldn't be actual canon since the Terrarian is not a set-in-stone character they are literally whoever you want them to be

[magic epoch]

plus they use dokuro's hammer in prelude 2 iirc... which ISNT A TERRAR weap ...... the dokuroverse is crazy

[wheat walrus]

Dokuroverse cosmology scaling incoming

[real silo]

xer-oc (pronounced zer)
zer-atros

[abstract gyro]

the rock

[devout grotto]

Terrarian ❤️

[plain yew]

terrarian boss rushes like a boss

[devout grotto]

😎

[untold oracle]

How long does it take yall terrarians to reach Yharim from the start

[cloud ibex]

A little under a year I’m thinking

[split mortar]

Can range from like I guess day to right before yharim ages into dust

[untold oracle]

For me it’s like 10–15 years

Still gotta decide the exact timeline lol

[split mortar]

-# doesn’t yharim die in under a decade from when we start

[untold oracle]

Shhh

[real silo]

It could be a decade from when we beat yharon

[wheat walrus]

It's you! 🫵👱

[split mortar]

And that could be a day from when you start

[real silo]

Yharon frame perfect spawncamping you

[fierce pagoda]

One more exam

And I'm free

[devout grotto]

5 years at max probably

[swift badger]

What's the Terrarians Power scale? actually

[untold oracle]

Well

[trim edge]

why doesn't anyone else progress like the terrarian, are they stupid

[untold oracle]

You can make them extrashitfartversal if you want

But if we’re purely looking at gameplay

The highest possible feat you can do is to level the entire world

country level maybe?

[split mortar]

Don’t think so cause that would be over time

[cosmic minnow]

I mean, considering we are very weak but do so much damage the terrarian is a bit like sans, no resistance but insane output

But most stuff we use isn’t very destructive but rather potent

[ivory vigil]

Taking the pillars at face value and upscaling the gods a bit we probably are solar system level

More likely we are high planetary

[swift badger]

are they goku versal tho

[ivory vigil]

Terrarian vs Goku who wins

[swift badger]

Goku

[ivory vigil]

They are probably around the same strength just Goku is faster

[swift badger]

isnt goku universal

[ivory vigil]

True
However
The terrarian has enough hax to equalise

Chalice of the Blood God means that the Terrarian doesn't take damage all at once. Goku could hit us with a universe buster and the chalice makes it so we take all the damage slowly over time

[deft vessel]

What am i vitnessing

[ivory vigil]

Powerscaling Goku vs the Terrarian

[deft vessel]

Goku

[swift badger]

Atleast the Terrarian solos Omniman

[deft vessel]

There is nothing saying the Terrarian is as strong as Goku

[ivory vigil]

Goku wins but how hard does Goku win

[swift badger]

easy diff i think

not no diff but easy

[ivory vigil]

I think it's high diff because the terrarian while not being able to actually kill Goku. They are just extremely hard to kill

[swift badger]

what if goku uses ui

thats the issue

[deft vessel]

The strongest Calamity character is like continent level

[swift badger]

post lore thingy

[ivory vigil]

Doesn't matter. Things like Chalice of the Blood God means that the Terrarian will survive for a while due to drinking potions and the bleed effect

[fierce pagoda]

Noxus is only continental?

[ivory vigil]

The terrarian is unaffected by wearing an armour of moon metal and a pure solar flare

[swift badger]

We dont know anything about New Noxus

[fierce pagoda]

He's the most destructive Cal character according to devs iirc

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[fierce pagoda]

Hi Vanillin

[deft vessel]

Is this old lore powerscaling

[dusk laurel]

Hallo

[swift badger]

but he probably rivals a bit of Xerocs power

[deft vessel]

Or am i missing something

[ivory vigil]

While calamitas is the most destructive character currently (with feats)

The terrarian just has better feats

[dusk laurel]

Don't take the pillars at face value

[ivory vigil]

We then are high planetary still

With just insane durability

[deft vessel]

Tf

No?

[ivory vigil]

What is stopping the terrarian from being planetary. At the end of Calamity (currently) we have killed multiple gods, creatures stronger than gods, have the ability to destroy the planet fairly quickly

[fierce pagoda]

Not even Xeroc is planetary according to lore writers, so no shot we are

[deft vessel]

✨dev statement✨

[ivory vigil]

He isnt

What

[dusk laurel]

Nop

[ivory vigil]

Huh. Weird

[fierce pagoda]

He can definitely kill all life on earth if he wished

but hes not blowing up the planet no

[dusk laurel]

And he's the strongest known being in the lore

[deft vessel]

Nothing can surpass him iirc

[dusk laurel]

Ye

[fierce pagoda]

Apparently, Noxus has better destructive capabilites than Xeroc even

But Xeroc is a better fighter

[ivory vigil]

we are missing something crucial then because something doesn't add up

[fierce pagoda]

so Xeroc would always win in a fight

What are we missing

cuz we probably are, Lore isnt finished

[ivory vigil]

The terrarian can comfortably destroy the entire world with just the crystalin crusher or whatever its called. We survived someone who is continental and outscale her by the end and have killed multiple gods

[fierce pagoda]

Crystalin crusher isnt canon

[dusk laurel]

Note, gods are not all-powerful in Calamity

And dedicated content isn't canon

[ivory vigil]

Blossom Pickaxe still does the job bit slower. Meaning we are likely just normal planetary instead of high planetary

[deft vessel]

They dont have complete control over their domains

[dusk laurel]

We also only play on a part of one continent

[fierce pagoda]

Humans can mine out a Mountain given enough time, does that mean that Humans are mountain level?

I don't think so

[untold oracle]

Raaghh am I seeing terrarian severely overscaled

[dusk laurel]

[untold oracle]

??? He is like low continental

[ivory vigil]

[untold oracle]

that is confirmed

[fierce pagoda]

yeah, so not planetary

[swift badger]

Continental

not Low

[ivory vigil]

Wow Calamity terrarian is much weaker than I expected

[untold oracle]

Calamity doesn’t scale that far

Which honestly I find good

[swift badger]

John calamity used to be stronger but they nerfed every being to the ground in lore 2.0

[fierce pagoda]

remember that there is more to being strong that how much we can blow up

you don't win fights cause you are strong, you get called strong because you win fights

[deft vessel]

I saw some video scaling Yharim vs one punch man

I think Yharim won…

[untold oracle]

[dusk laurel]

[ivory vigil]

How does Yharim beat Saitama and GOD

[fierce pagoda]

Punch

[deft vessel]

I cant recall

[swift badger]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-skibidi-toilet-gif-1611131821838867262

aw dang it

wanted to post the "stand proud you are strong" gif

[dusk laurel]

[deft vessel]

Gif embed fail

[fierce pagoda]

I found it, it says that Yharim wins beyond neg diff

[ivory vigil]

Wait does this mean Thorium Terrarian is stronger than Calamity Terrarian

[fierce pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEatBc-puYE

its this short

a comment: "Yharim got infinite potential, he is technically an redemption attempt by another player "

[swift badger]

BROTHER THATS SAITAMA

no wonder

[ivory vigil]

Because there is nothing saying Slag Fury, Omnicide and Aqueous aren't just..... the God of their domain

[fierce pagoda]

So whos stronger, strongest modded terrarian, or Steve with command blocks

[swift badger]

Ok i have a better question

Early Goku vs Fullpower terraraian?

[ivory vigil]

Modded terrarian

[untold oracle]

BEYOND NEGATIVE DIFF

[fierce pagoda]

how early are we speaking

[untold oracle]

WHAT THE FUCA

[swift badger]

Before dbz

[ivory vigil]

Like Kid Goku or like young adult Goku

[fierce pagoda]

like after his fight with piccolo jr?

Goku is already Beyond moon level by that point

[swift badger]

young adult

[swift badger]

i forgot when that was

[fierce pagoda]

it was at the end of the original DB

and before the start of DBZ

[ivory vigil]

Mid Diff. Goku puts up a fight but the Terrarian wins

[swift badger]

i see

[ivory vigil]

Wait

Wait

Nevermind I'm not that knowledgeable on early DB

[fierce pagoda]

I mean I guess it depends on who is faster, if Goku can land a fully charged Kamehameha its over

[swift badger]

they will never guess when they got pinged

[ivory vigil]

Does Goku have instant transmission at this point because the Terrarian has normality relocator

[fierce pagoda]

normality relocator isnt canon

since its dedicated content

[swift badger]

Rod of discord then

[ivory vigil]

I am going to TWEAK

[fierce pagoda]

and no Goku does not have IT

at that point

if its full power terrarian he has rod of harmony

[swift badger]

yeah

[ivory vigil]

Is rod of harmony in the fight because that item solos it

[fierce pagoda]

but terrarian cant use weapons while he uses rod

so he has to choose between attacking and teleporting

[swift badger]

quick swap

[tall delta]

Cal terrarian is like between city+ to country level

[fierce pagoda]

enough time for goku to react

[ivory vigil]

At least continent by way of being stronger than both Dreadon and Calamitas

[fierce pagoda]

the little time spent swapping is enough

[tall delta]

nope

wrong!