lore-discussion

[fierce willow]

true

Id rank sidon higher than yunobo

although lower than riju

yunobo may be stronger but sidon deffinetly has better combat skills

[proven rivet]

I wouldn't as Gorons have really strong hits lorewise, and they are incredible in sturdiness

[split mortar]

Link devouring a rock meat thing:

[fierce willow]

tbh riju is a dps, tulin a support, yunobo a tank, and sidon is another dps

[proven rivet]

1 hit from sidon might do like half a red bokoblin, yunobo just sends several flying

Ignoring him rolling like crazy

[fierce willow]

lol

bro got to other side of map and took a whole year just to get back

[proven rivet]

Sidon just grants water

Like, it's 1 hit absorber but the extra attack is just water

[fierce willow]

lol

bro aint even on mud level

crazy we speaking of zelda totk sages ranking in a calamity mod lore discussion channel

[proven rivet]

Riju is like town level, being able to use lightning is epic

[split mortar]

Lightning is infact very cool

[fierce willow]

tbh lorewise riju would just be good for her combat skills

lightning may be epic

but if you cant control it its kinda mid

like those unknown superheroes vids on tiktok

[proven rivet]

Point is Riju can control it

[fierce willow]

erm actually

she cant

the reason lightning hits the enemies its cause riju sends lightning and arrow attracts it

[proven rivet]

Mineru is practically immortal and has a powerful mech, idk how she would place

[fierce willow]

isnt mineru dead?

well her spirit isnt

[split mortar]

Don’t think we see any way for ghosts to get hurt in totk

[proven rivet]

Which is the practically immortal part

[fierce willow]

but if she is a ghost that means she shouldve died already

[proven rivet]

Although she does pass to the afterlife in the ending

[split mortar]

Yeah and now the mortal part is gone

[fierce willow]

mineru is fr just mechamaru

[proven rivet]

Link's just, city level

No doubt

[split mortar]

Pfft what

[fierce willow]

nah

[split mortar]

Link solos yharim???????

[fierce willow]

link higher

soloing a hord of guardians by your own must be a big deal

[proven rivet]

Reminder that link didn't solo ganondorf

[fierce willow]

hol up

link soloed ganon

the sages helped against shadows

else it wouldve been a 6v1

[split mortar]

Can’t you skip the sages and deal with it all anyways?

[proven rivet]

Mineru:

[split mortar]

Also you can turnoff the sages

[fierce willow]

imagine a dark souls player complaining about using sages against ganondorf

[proven rivet]

No they're forced for Ganondorf

[split mortar]

:(

[fierce willow]

the important thing is

do you fight second phase on your own?

[proven rivet]

Yes and no

[fierce willow]

what about third phase?

[hoary cape]

Link hmmmm

[proven rivet]

No

Zelda helps

[fierce willow]

wait actually third phase is true

dragon vs dragon frfr

[hoary cape]

Why is there a discussion about Zelda lol

[fierce willow]

idk

[split mortar]

Idk

Funny

[fierce willow]

it says lore discussion

[split mortar]

Y’all need jolliness

[fierce willow]

doesnt specify which game shall the lore be discussed about

[proven rivet]

Evolved from TotK Ganondorf vs Xeroc to this

[fierce willow]

link soloes

[hoary cape]

The channel description says which

[fierce willow]

uh

hadnt seen that

[hoary cape]

Smh

[proven rivet]

Xeroc Wins

[fierce willow]

nah

wait actually yeah

isnt xeroc a god?

[proven rivet]

Continent Level vs City Level

[proven rivet]

The God of Primordial Light

[split mortar]

Xerocs power is “the unmatched power of the sun” so I think he wins

[fierce willow]

yeah

xeroc soloes

[split mortar]

Yes, but that has little meaning of strength in calamity

[hoary cape]

Xeroc is stronger than continent bro is the strongest being on the terraria planet

[fierce willow]

has a god ever been fought against in zelda games

[split mortar]

Yharim who is strongest guy other then xeroc on the planet isn’t even mountain level

[fierce willow]

actually yeah in skyward sword

[hoary cape]

I mean you fight the moon in Zelda does that count

[light linden]

nope

[fierce willow]

you dont fight the moon

you fight majora's mask

[proven rivet]

You save it

[split mortar]

You fight something bringing the moon down

[hoary cape]

The masked moon thing isn't that a boss

Oh

[fierce willow]

wdym no

[split mortar]

You fight something controlling the moon

So probably stronger

[light linden]

demise isn't a god

[hoary cape]

Never played Zelda

[proven rivet]

He's a demon

[light linden]

he's a demon

[fierce willow]

fr?

[light linden]

[split mortar]

Only played botw and a bit of totk (prefer botw)

[light linden]

yes

[proven rivet]

Yeah

[fierce willow]

well

you wouldnt be fighting the moon

[light linden]

I've played through the original like 3 times

[split mortar]

Demise is like

The strongest demon though and is godlike in power iirc

[light linden]

not quite godlike

[fierce willow]

if majora's mask is that powerful imagine majora himself

[proven rivet]

Demise is continent level at the very least

[light linden]

he needed the triforce for his plans to ever succeed

[fierce willow]

isnt demise like the incarnation of chaos

[split mortar]

So Demise lowest equal xeroc max

[light linden]

nope he's stronger

even his half reanimated corpse could destroy the world

[split mortar]

Ah demise busted I see

[proven rivet]

ALttP Ganon is the strongest being in Zelda lore though, besides the Golden Goddesses

[fierce willow]

uh

yeah so isnt demise like the incarnation of chaos

[proven rivet]

Full triforce

[fierce willow]

wasnt ganon the reincarnation of demise

[light linden]

Demise when revived though didn't want destruction, he wanted dominion

[light linden]

yes

[split mortar]

Chaos isn’t destruction

[fierce willow]

I remember demise setting a curse so zelda and link would reincarnate

so a loop would begin all over again

idk I saw a zelda lore video

[light linden]

yes he does

[fierce willow]

cause theres like three different timelines

and skyward sword start it all

[split mortar]

I think they would reincarnate anyways

He just makes it so he will always plague their lives with his reincarnation I think???

[fierce willow]

botw and totk are the last one

[proven rivet]

Those are not canon games

[fierce willow]

like then after skyward sword it gets divided into three timelines

[fierce willow]

which

[light linden]

he sets one that makes him, zelda, and link constantly reincarnate until Demise's reincarnation wins

[split mortar]

Totk and botw aren’t canon?

[proven rivet]

BotW and TotK

[fierce willow]

they are

[light linden]

not

[split mortar]

Whar?

[proven rivet]

Deconfirmed in like september

[fierce willow]

wait they arent

?

[light linden]

^

[split mortar]

:(

Sadge

[fierce willow]

I love majora's mask

peak of zelda

[proven rivet]

They exist in a seperate canon

[fierce willow]

thats cause there was no place for them to be put in the timeline wasnt it?

[light linden]

just realized

will scal and amidias hate each other after the sso?

[proven rivet]

No probably

[dusk laurel]

I don't see why Calamitas would hate him

Amidias has actual valid reason to tho

[proven rivet]

SCal would just think she saw a ghost and Amidias, maybe but likely not

[hoary cape]

Amidias be mad because his home is gone because of her

[sinful adder]

They are in the official timeline, no???

[proven rivet]

No

[light linden]

nope

[proven rivet]

I mean

[light linden]

they're their own seperate thing

[proven rivet]

^

[light linden]

thing is

some people are saying that they might be their own timeline

[manic coral]

wait hold on this would be funny as hell

[sinful adder]

I could have sworn they were

[manic coral]

scla meeting amidias and think he's jsut a ghost that came back to haunt her or something at first

[proven rivet]

SCal sees right trough Adidas

[real silo]

Amidiode

Light amitting diode

[light linden]

Hey Cei if you don't mind answering what part of development do you do?

[real silo]

Lore

[light linden]

damn it

[proven rivet]

I am getting so amadias from continuously mispelling amidias

[hoary cape]

Cei is lore person

[light linden]

Been tryna figure out which dev does music stuff because I'm tryna figure something out

[proven rivet]

Heart Plus Up

[real silo]

HPU is pretty much the only music dev

[light linden]

well

that works out pretty well because it was something in one of their songs

[proven rivet]

Thriplerex and Skippy

[real silo]

Those are devs?

[sinful adder]

Ok so they changed it again, but the imprisoning war is still mentioned in the official timeline on the website

[light linden]

here's hoping I can find HPU in chat some day

[proven rivet]

They made music for the last update

[proven rivet]

Luckier off in the music server in #info

[light linden]

there's a music server?

[proven rivet]

Yes

[urban stone]

Is there like a google doc or something with the lore?

[light linden]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DgyreCi8fGco8QiFhKHH8rIo_wHplhthdq08ro_SK9o/edit?usp=sharing

[split mortar]

I swear people don’t follow the rules and don’t look at the pins

[hoary cape]

That involves reading

Which you know isn't something people do

[split mortar]

Oh right yeah

[hoary cape]

The heck

[dusk laurel]

calg

[hoary cape]

Fair

[light linden]

something I've been wondering about btw

[split mortar]

You have confirmed you have no access to the secrets

[light linden]

the color of a flame can correlate to its heat right?

[split mortar]

Yeah, though I think calamity’s other fires (brimstone,holy,dragon and godslayer) don’t abide to that rule much

[hoary cape]

I am so confused right now

[light linden]

godslayer is the most likely to

[split mortar]

Definitive confirmation of a lack of access to sscls

[light linden]

sscls?

y'all keep bringing that acronym up

[dusk laurel]

sscls

[split mortar]

It’s secret :)

[tall delta]

Its a server

[split mortar]

Super secret even

[light linden]

ah ok

anyways something I just realized

could an exo prism be used like a brain?

[split mortar]

Don’t think so

Cause it would endlessly be full of charge

But it should be able to power a artificial one

[light linden]

this specific line about them made me ask for reference

"Instructions and information are processed at lightspeed in a distributed fashion, not unlike a cerebral network taken to its theoretical extreme."

[hybrid barn]

Does the "ss" stand for super secret?

[split mortar]

Can’t tell, secret

[light linden]

another thing by the way

[dusk laurel]

Sacred Sacrilegious Crustacean Loom Spores

[sudden ruin]

[light linden]

I REALLY hope we get something akin to the Draedon talk feature for SCal or Braelor

[sudden ruin]

calamity reinvents the npc talk ui ?!!!

[light linden]

mainly I want to hear more about Azafure and Silva

but anything would be nice

[split mortar]

^
Calamity prob will have something like it but not as big as draetalk

My friend that had come here plans on playing calamity at mine before getting more into the lore

So he can experience it at the intended rate instead of me sending him as much text as the bible whenever he asks a question

[light linden]

also something I just realized during the draetalk

draedon says yharim deduced that draedon was the one behind the steel and oil creations from 400 years before him

how good was communication between continents for him to know about that?

[manic coral]

i mean, given a long time

stories spread

espeically unique ones

[cosmic zenith]

Especially tinfoil hat ones

Hi Cei :D

[manic coral]

i mean people from england heard stories about shit going on in america in like the 1500's and the world of cal's level of tech before the crusade was like 1800's level

also hi :D

[hoary cape]

Word does indeed travel

[manic coral]

unique and strange stories from other places would surely reach around

[hoary cape]

Hello Cei how goes things

[manic coral]

mostly fine

boutta go grab some dinner

[hoary cape]

Nice

[cosmic zenith]

I can already imagine her saying "Am I ever gonna stop being haunted...." in the tone of Alucard saying "Oh my God... I'm turning into Belmont."

[split mortar]

Pfft

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[sinful adder]

Oh hey Cei is here

[spare pier]

There'll be similar things but not on the same scope, yeah

Like

I am treating Exhumed Items tooltips as, essentially

Calamitas' Talk

[sinful adder]

Has anyone else been able to get ahold of and figure out some of draedon's tech before? Even older stuff?

[real silo]

The Calamitalk

[sinful adder]

Also: there are no major characters in lore that use ranged weapons, but there are for all the other classes

[real silo]

John wulfrum has clearly

[spare pier]

Technically Draedon uses Ranged

[real silo]

Draedon uses ranged weapon

[spare pier]

Pulse Rifle is his personal baby

[pliant ruin]

dreagun

ftr

draegun

[spare pier]

Truth be told

It's just not interesting to write a Ranged character ngl

[sinful adder]

Yharim and Braelor: melee
Permafrost and cal: mage
Statis: rogue
Anahita and kind of draedon: summoner
Draedon kind of sometimes: ranger

[sinful adder]

Gunslinger cowboy guy?

[split mortar]

Draedon is a summoner ranger hybrid

[spare pier]

That is one archetype that works but

There isn't a character to fit it

[split mortar]

Yharon

[sinful adder]

That would be weird

[spare pier]

Tbf now that I think about it Silva might be a good representative for Ranged

[sinful adder]

Huh interesting. Bow?

[spare pier]

Mage Ranged hybrid

[pliant ruin]

DISAGREE

GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUSN GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUN

[split mortar]

Silva = healer class

[spare pier]

Guns YOU

💥

[pliant ruin]

what the FUCK

[split mortar]

Can y’all stop using me for violence

[real silo]

Turns cheese into swiss cheese

Melong gun is the ranger calamity character

Imagine if fovos killed dragons with a swarm of SDMGs

[split mortar]

I am the class stpuid

[light linden]

[split mortar]

I am ranger John damage

[real silo]

If you think about it each one SDMG is nearly provi level

Imagine a swarm of it

[cloud ibex]

i have one character that's primarily ranged but uses melee weapons as a backup

[light linden]

also speaking of the sdmg

I kinda hate how fast the moon lord drops get thrown away

[sinful adder]

I feel like some kind of gunslinger could work but idk where you'd put it

Maybe some older historical character

[split mortar]

They last like 3 bosses

Folly
Guardians
Providence

[light linden]

not all of em

[cloud ibex]

the reason they're ranged is that they are by nature paranoid of everything (even if they don't show it) and so prefer to do confrontations over long distances where they're at very low risk whenever possible

[light linden]

the ranger weapons don't hold up at all in my experience

[cloud ibex]

but sometimes being close is unavoidable (such as when SCal sentences them to The Box), which is why they also carry melee weapons with them

[spare pier]

Blossom Flux is funny because it might honestly be my favorite Legendary description in concept

[light linden]

it's my 2nd favorite bow in hardmode

[split mortar]

Supreme brimstone witch calamitas sentences you to the box™️

[light linden]

ngl though

I feel like you could make a ranger character and have them be a veteran from yharim's army

[real silo]

Scal the only jujutsu sorcerer in calamity to have a domain expansion

[split mortar]

And it’s her opening move

[spare pier]

Like, recently we went over and thought

Ok

Every Legendary Item is gonna be narrated by a character

Most of them, at least

When applicable

[light linden]

they don't even need to be a major character

[real silo]

Binding vow where the domain isn't a guaranteed hit until you leave it

[split mortar]

Reverses the domains functionality

Where leaving is bad

[spare pier]

The only ones I am like

Absolutely certain won't have a narrator proper

Are Cosmic Discharge

[light linden]

remind me what that is?

[spare pier]

Sea's Searing

And that's it actually

[hybrid barn]

I'm curious, what do you mean by a narrator here?

[spare pier]

An in-universe character

[light linden]

why not have the pirate captain narrate it?

[spare pier]

Because I'm going to fucking tell you who's going to narrate each right now fuck you

[light linden]

geez sorry

[spare pier]

I didn't mean to be aggressive sorry lmao

It was more a

"Fuck you I'm telling you every narrator"

[hoary cape]

That came off extremely aggressive lol

Every narrator let's go

[real silo]

Reb trying to get the FPMs up

[cosmic zenith]

Disagreed

Robin Hood:

[real silo]

Fucks per message

[hoary cape]

At least 5

[cosmic zenith]

Crosshair (Bad Batch):

[light linden]

would the doom slayer count as ranged?

[cosmic zenith]

It's just a matter of writing them well

[hoary cape]

Does greenarrow count or Hawkeye XD

[cosmic zenith]

YEAH, GREEN ARROW

[spare pier]

Aegis Blade - Unspecified Lihzahrd Sage
Briny Baron - Actually not decided yet
Blossom Flux - Silva
Pristine Fury - Providence
SHPC - Draedon
Vesuvius - God of Sacrifices
Yharim's Crystal - Yharim, maybe Yharon
Glacial Embrace - Permafrost
Leonid Progenitor - Unspecified Deus Cultist
Malachite - Plaguebringer Goliath
Old Reaper - Unspecified Dragon Hunter

[cosmic zenith]

Hawkeye isn't as explored

[hybrid barn]

Ah yes, Jeremy Renner

[hoary cape]

Who

[real silo]

Hawkeye actor

[hoary cape]

Wait is that the actor who plays Hawkeye

Oh

[spare pier]

I think Yharim's Crystal being narrated by Yharon would be good since bro has like

Nothing characterization-wise rn

[dusk laurel]

Ah yes

Bee narrator

I need to know their secrets

[hybrid barn]

THIS IS MY MEEEEE-

[light linden]

The pirates actually getting some lore for once would be sick

[spare pier]

Well, yeah but this wouldn't be Pirate Lore

It'd be Aquatic Scourge Lore

[hoary cape]

Pbg is able to narrate?

[spare pier]

Kinda

[light linden]

I misread that as 'THIS IS MY BEEEEEEEEEE'

[spare pier]

We took a

Very unique approach with that tooltip

[hoary cape]

Is the narration just Buzz buzz buzz

[spare pier]

It honestly goes fucking nuclear

[hybrid barn]

It sure is

[pliant ruin]

I imagine PBG "talking" would be more so just. robotic commands. like. the fucking. ALERT! RED SPY IS IN THE BASE

[light linden]

is it the bee movie script?

[hoary cape]

I mean pbg does say things like launching nukes

[gritty kraken]

Wher old reaper

[light linden]

rebecca?

[hoary cape]

According to the chat

[spare pier]

I forgor Old Reaper

[spare pier]

Maybe..........

[dusk laurel]

Old Reaper

[real silo]

Old duke

[light linden]

that pause made me very concerned rebec-

[real silo]

Clearly

[spare pier]

There

[light linden]

rebecca that was a joke is this actually a thing?

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/madoka-homura-good-morning-homura-akemi-madoka-magica-gif-7371370803338794131

[hoary cape]

You open the weapon and your entire screen is filled up by the bee movie script

[pliant ruin]

by making a statement regarding ranged characters you enabled me. sorry

[dusk laurel]

Cheese is a range player confirmed

[pliant ruin]

also lihzahrd and deus lore is based

[light linden]

that would be great for gfb

[dusk laurel]

Yah

I need to know more about the

Lizard people

[sinful adder]

Briny baron could be narrated by amidias or the pirate

[light linden]

wait

[pliant ruin]

yharr thar fishron stole me booty

[light linden]

isn't the community a legendary item too?

[spare pier]

Briny Baron is actually the only one who is likely to be entirely unrelated to its current Boss

[spare pier]

Dedicated Item

[light linden]

oh

[spare pier]

It'd be

Tyrian, Otonilou or Amidias

Idk which one

Well, ok

Leonid Progenitor too

[light linden]

I feel like the briny baron is tied to the royal family of illmeris

[hybrid barn]

And legendary I think, someone mentioned it while talking about how they all used to be 1% drops

[sinful adder]

Amidias had a pet fishron in old lore

[spare pier]

But it's still remaining Astral Infection related

It's just jumping from Aureus to Deus later down the line

[sinful adder]

Actually I could have sworn someone said old duke was amidias' pet fishron in old lore

[pliant ruin]

I'm ngl i forget the fact old duke technically existed in old lore

i genuinely have 0 clue what his lore was

if he even had any

[spare pier]

Aureus both already unlocks a fucking special Rogue Item

And like

Come on

Leonid Progenitor

I sure do wonder what this is becoming

Sprite is a motherfucking egg

[hoary cape]

Clearly nothing

[light linden]

astrageldon?

[dusk laurel]

Astrum Deus children

[spare pier]

Like, this is one I'm not even gonna try to hide

Because

[pliant ruin]

💥

[dusk laurel]

Clearly

[spare pier]

If I tell you "It's being moved to Deus"

It becomes INSTANTLY OBVIOUS what the fuck I'm going to do with it

[pliant ruin]

i love throwing baby dei at my enemies 💥

[light linden]

I can't tell what you're gonna do with it tbh

[pliant ruin]

astrum deus egg

:p

[indigo glade]

Tyrian tried to fight Duke Fishron and lost.

And also lost his sword.

[light linden]

do you have the stupid bug gif?

[spare pier]

Yeah

Like, it's just

Lol

Lmao

OF COURSE that's what I'm doing

[light linden]

I can't tell if that's sarcasm

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

It's not

[cloud ibex]

if it works for spider starfish it works for star eating space worms

[spare pier]

I'm outright telling you Leonid Progenitor is going to be a Deus Egg

[light linden]

ok

fair enough

[spare pier]

Which, hey

[spare pier]

Lore Drop technically

[light linden]

would it be immoral for me to fry it?

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[indigo glade]

Yes.

[pliant ruin]

well i mean

you're already using it as a weapon

[light linden]

aw

I wanted a breakfast that was out of this world

[pliant ruin]

i don't imagine it'd taste too good but i'm not gonna stop you

[spare pier]

Which tbf I personally always thought was also obvious

[light linden]

ngl

I'm surprised there isn't a predator or alien reference in the astral infection

[sinful adder]

Ok but then why can't we hatch it and why can we throw and break it infinite times

[pliant ruin]

vdeogame

[hoary cape]

Deus has egg?

What species is deus I wonder

[dusk laurel]

Space worm

[spare pier]

Deus is obviously a species, unless the universe was small as fuck there'd just be no way that one member of its species could clean the entire fucking universe

[indigo glade]

Why does making one Supernova grant you access to infinite Supernovas.

[spare pier]

That'd imply Deus was just fucking cracked

[hoary cape]

If deus was still a light year long worm it would make sense, but now that's no longer the canon

[sinful adder]

It doesn't actually get destroyed and is designed to just make a giant burst of energy or alternatively there's ubiquitous object duplication magic for weapons in calamity

[spare pier]

However

[hybrid barn]

So you're just chucking its kids at your enemies?

[spare pier]

This revelation does still leave one question in the air

[indigo glade]

Why is it on Terraria?

The egg, I mean.

[spare pier]

Draedon's theory was that the Deus we see ingame might just be a juvenile, but if it can lay an egg, that either means Deus' species either reach maturity incredibly early on in its lifespan

Or that it's just not a juvenile

[indigo glade]

Oh.

[spare pier]

If it's not a juvenile

Then why did it get infected?

[indigo glade]

Then its stupid.

[spare pier]

[dusk laurel]

[indigo glade]

Am I wrong?

[hoary cape]

I mean astral infection could have gotten it even if it was smart

[dusk laurel]

I have an idea

[raven zealot]

dog is a girl

[dusk laurel]

The deus' are pack hunters

[dusk laurel]

It has no gender

[raven zealot]

does yharim have gender

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[raven zealot]

what are they sposed to be

like human or smth

[dusk laurel]

Male

I don't remember human being a gender

It's a species of animal

[raven zealot]

yeah ik what species is he

does he belong to earf

[hoary cape]

[sinful adder]

Huh. I wonder if that question has an answer

[hoary cape]

Not one worth answering

[raven zealot]

wdym

genuine question

am i supposed to know

[hoary cape]

It's the game name

It's not called earth XD

[raven zealot]

ok in calamity lore what is this guy supposed to be

[hybrid barn]

Doesn't it normally have a harder time infecting sapient creatures?

[dusk laurel]

It just can't

[hoary cape]

Maybe it got infected and then grew up

[dusk laurel]

Only non-sapient things can be infected

Like a typical animal or robot

[sinful adder]

Sorry I meant the "why was deus infected" one

[cosmic zenith]

Because I told him

[river python]

Aureus resisted quite well, but sooner or later he fell on the Astral Infection.

[dusk laurel]

I think it was infected pretty quickly iirc

[real silo]

Got overwhelmed by the influx of stars due to fovos bringing a shit ton of mana into the world

(throwing shit at the wall)

Eating one moldy bread won't turn you into crabulon but maybe eating thirty would

[spring helm]

Didn’t that happen like 800 years ago

Why’d it take so long

[real silo]

Maybe that's how long it takes for mana to turn into stars and grow old enough to get infected

[river python]

It is assumed that for Draedon it was unforeseen that he was controlled by the Astral Infection, the model was made to resist it

[sinful adder]

How do you know that

[sinful adder]

Do we currently have the information to answer this question? Will we on SSO?

[spare pier]

I don't think you do, no

[sinful adder]

Hm, ok

Anyways, has anyone in the world developed significantly better technology by reverse engineering things made by draedon? Or by his creator?

[supple thunder]

john wulfrum

[heavy ermine]

Third passage just dropped

[spring helm]

none that we know of

[empty dew]

The guy that made Cyborg wanted to best Draedon, but we don't know if he did that or not

[sinful adder]

How do we know that

[empty dew]

Dialogue

MoonLordDefeated2: Draedon? The guy who made these upgrades on me said he wanted to best him. But I never cared about that, I just wanted to shoot lasers from my eyes.
Not Cyborg itself, just its upgrades, my bad

[sinful adder]

Funny

I want to know who that guy is

[mighty zenith]

its me

[lethal heron]

So is most of the calamity scaling is based on the burning the ocean feat and it’s all relative from there?

[sinful adder]

Maybe?

But we also have direct dev statements

Burning the ocean took like a week

Yharim and calamitas are comparable to living nukes

Yharim could punch a person through a mountain at his strongest

Slime god, though weak for a god, would still take a small army of ordinary people with normal weapons to kill

[hoary berry]

garbo trial mod...

waow

[hoary cape]

It's crazy

I know

That Aureus' #1 fan is a trial mod

[hoary berry]

woah i actually recognise all of those trial mods

wasn't expecting prikki to apply for some reason

[hoary cape]

Lol

[split mortar]

Neither was I

Now we can’t call Garbo stinker without them shower reacting us :(

[hoary berry]

you say 'we' as if you aren't responsible for 99% of recent instances of garbo being called stinky and as if i have participated recently
(slight exaggeration of figures for dramatic effect ✨

[brave dew]

Garbo is stinky

[split mortar]

Shut up >:(

[hoary berry]

[light linden]

Random but do y'all think draedon ever experimented with guns that need physical ammo?

[hoary berry]

probably

[light linden]

Also do we know what weapon Yharim's snipers used?

[hoary berry]

anti-materiel rifle jumped into my mind but that isn't a schematic weapon

[light linden]

Ngl with how many gaps there are in the arsenal compared to the types of troops I feel like Draedon took some the schematics with him

[hoary berry]

encountered an issue...

phoenix flame barrage and the burning sky are the same weapon, and both stellar striker and lunar flare have identical falling projectiles as a large part (or all) of their identity

i'm not getting any inspiration for something different by considering their functions because of that

[light linden]

E.g. a distinct shortage of sniper rifles, shotguns, grenades, flamethrowers, and heavy weaponry

[hoary berry]

guh

[light linden]

The lack of grenades, snipers, and flamethrowers are prolly the worst

[hoary berry]

posted this in the wrong server

[split mortar]

lol

[hoary berry]

only the other server has context

for what that spreadsheet even is about

[light linden]

Considering we know that there were divisions of Yharim's forces that specialized in those weapons

[split mortar]

Arsenal gear is prob not every weapon on that tier draedon made

Prob just what fit in one schematic

[untold oracle]

If I was Yharim I would be kinda disappointed if Draedon can only come up with ~20 weapons during his 70 or so years of service

[split mortar]

Yeah

[trim edge]

did yharim ever ask draedon to help with the evil biomes

[split mortar]

We don’t know but I doubt it

[real silo]

That won't stop me

[warm gull]

none of these people having moderator will influence the way that I act around them

because I ain't no bitch

actually it will because I will ask them to change my nickname very often

[cloud ibex]

We’ll see about that

:D

[fierce pagoda]

I don't know about that, but the steampunker has solution that can erase it for some reason

wonder how she got god essence-erasing powers from

[untold oracle]

Blows up corruption with mind

[warm gull]

can you change my name to StinkyChugus25 green guy

[cloud ibex]

i can

but will i?

what a mystery...

[split mortar]

Won’t stop me either tbf
@mighty zenith ya stinker

[mighty zenith]

[split mortar]

Take a shower

[real silo]

How it feels to chew trash

[untold oracle]

Yummers

[wheat walrus]

that was eggulent

[robust osprey]

mod is mad

[wheat walrus]

trial mod btw

[jaunty niche]

I have a question: How did an electric goddess rule a sea? There might be a lot of accidental electrocutions in sea water. Was she extremely careful about that? or was she ectremely cruel? or did she give all the Ilmeran creatures protection against electricity?

[wheat walrus]

bro is fodderous

[robust osprey]

trial mod is slower to type than mod

[wheat walrus]

iirc ilmerans did have protection, and that electricity was mainly used to protect the place from outside threats

idk though lol cant rember

[wheat walrus]

yes but it's funnier

[jaunty niche]

Electricity in water, man

[gritty kraken]

I think she was a

[wheat walrus]

yep

[gritty kraken]

Jellyfish

Or something

[robust osprey]

ilmerians were big brain dw

they would know how to handle electricity underwater

[green bay]

Just take away the minerals from water

And it aint conductive anymore

[split mortar]

Illmerians we’re just shrimply immune to electricity

[jaunty niche]

shrimply immune...

in real world, putting powerful electricity in water simply kills all the fish in a very wide range

[robust osprey]

but ilmerians are better than average fish

[warm gull]

I'm the beat-upper when I see someone who is in need of a good beat-upping, I oblige them

[jaunty niche]

yes, but there are not only cityzens but also regular foolish fishes

[untold oracle]

She gave cheap electricity prices

That’s kinda benelovent to me

[jaunty niche]

lmao

[summer rover]

We know that when godly essence is left to fester, it results in biomes like the crimson, corruption, and hollow. So what happens with the godly essence of Providence and Slime God? They both die but we neither see their essence or see it get consumed.

[wheat walrus]

i eated it all

[jaunty niche]

slime god didn't die

[wheat walrus]

also Slime God becomes Slime Queen before being truly killed, byea

[wheat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146205659059191890/1312558467617263756/meowbubble.gif

[mighty zenith]

i assume theres just not enough of it to spot at that point

[summer rover]

Slime god does die when we kill queen slime though.

[wheat walrus]

well you can argue that crim and corr are several gods and iirc hallow too

since some bestiaries do say that they are several gods

at least for both crimson and corruption, can't remember hallow but I'd assume same

[jaunty niche]

when providence died... there was uelibloom

[mighty zenith]

was is a good way to put it

[wheat walrus]

imagine if Providence dying doesn't create stuff like crimson and corruption and instead she immediately blows up like a nuke

that'd be peak fiction

she doesn't create she just destroys 💔

[hushed geyser]

Imagine if providence got a low taper fade than erased xeroc

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kms-im-gonna-gus-gusjohnson-gif-18194767

[hushed geyser]

Peak fiction

[untold oracle]

This is so chease

And meeee :3

[hushed geyser]

I should release a book

[wheat walrus]

[wheat walrus]

[jaunty niche]

the information about the god or gods of the hallow might be intentionally hidden by yharim since they might not be evil

[wheat walrus]

yes

as of the writers, that's the entire reason why Yharim doesn't mention them

[hushed geyser]

The hallow is more evil than every other biome cus it has unicorns

And those fuckers do too much damage

[jaunty niche]

but they are unicorns, man

[hushed geyser]

Unicorns are mid anyways

[wheat walrus]

should've done like Ark Survival where Unicorns are just absurdly rare horses with no differences other than being unicorns and only being white

[untold oracle]

Whatt it’s ture :(

[wheat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146205659059191890/1312558467617263756/meowbubble.gif

[hushed geyser]

[untold oracle]

Yaya

[hushed geyser]

This guy....

[untold oracle]

It has cute flying light bulbs tho

[hushed geyser]

Mid

[untold oracle]

YOU are mid

[hushed geyser]

I'm metvox

[untold oracle]

The M stands for mid

[hushed geyser]

It stands for metvox

[cloud ibex]

check again.

[untold oracle]

[hushed geyser]

Its a nickname my name is still legally metvox

[cloud ibex]

don't believe you

[wheat walrus]

peak fiction

[hushed geyser]

Mid

My eyes are freaking out cus I've read mid too many times

[gritty kraken]

That was mid actually

[wheat walrus]

true

[hushed geyser]

False

I was never mid

[untold oracle]

This image begs to differ

[hushed geyser]

That image is edited

I saw through it with the homer Uchiha sharingan

[gritty kraken]

does clamitas know about the 4 unholy machinations draedon brewed up

[untold oracle]

Hmm

Probably no

I assume Draedon kept it to himself

[cloud ibex]

which ones

[gritty kraken]

oh yeah
Exo mechs were recently built
I forgor

[gritty kraken]

the bigger ones

[mighty zenith]

well if you fight exos after her then yes

[cloud ibex]

i think she definitely knows about clone

i can imagine she'd at least hear about the normal mechs

as for the other ones i doubt it

[cosmic minnow]

It’s stated Calamitas broke into the facility with her clone, freed it and gave it a part of her magic, (wich drove it insane)

[untold oracle]

Calclone? She literally freed her

Spends five yharillion years typing
Message is two sentences long
Removed in 5 seconds

[gritty kraken]

you didn’t not

[untold oracle]

You did

[warm gull]

what if I uncloned calamitas twice

there would be zero of them

the world can finally be at peace

[untold oracle]

No :(

There would be no silly girlfailure

[hushed geyser]

That is a really bad way to describe calamitas

[robust osprey]

no

if you do that

how will you have exhumed

[strange stump]

the energy of that emote is off the charts

[hushed geyser]

How it feels when a mod pulls up when you're off topic

[untold oracle]

No that’s the most accurate

[hushed geyser]

No

[warm gull]

based

[hushed geyser]

What is

[warm gull]

the fact that you don't like that description of calamitas

[untold oracle]

Lame…

[hushed geyser]

Cus it isn't true anyways

[warm gull]

how mfs feel after calling an ex-genocide witch a silly relatable girlfailure

[hushed geyser]

Truly

Like 💔

[gritty kraken]

Calameitas if she were lame or something idk I haven’t watched the show yet

[warm gull]

idm if people like calamitas or sympathize with her but lord have mercy she is not "just like me fr"

nor is she really a girlfailure

[gritty kraken]

we made a sea kingdom experience hell at some point of our life

[cloud ibex]

the reason i call her that is because i imagine she was pretty sheltered during her time in yharim's army so when she left she had basically no concept of what it's like to be a functional adult

[untold oracle]

When you think about it she prolly never had time to learn any day-to-day skills considering she was a child when recruited, and because of her status she prolly had a boatload of servants doing the menial tasks for her. This renders her a girlfailure

[cloud ibex]

in my mind it makes sense that such a high ranking member would have servants taking care of things such as cooking, cleaning her living space, washing her clothes etc.

[hushed geyser]

I simply feel like it's pretty insulting to call someone who has experienced horrors beyond what 99% of people ever will a girlfailure

[gritty kraken]

Must’ve been the gods faults

[warm gull]

I don't think she's a girlfailure because I believe that being a supremely powerful mage who can beat nearly anyone in a fight and is widely known throughout the world sorta disqualifies you from being a girlfailure

[untold oracle]

It isn’t an insult necessarily

[warm gull]

I also just kinda hate the word girlfailure in general...

[hushed geyser]

True

It doesn't insinuate anything good in the first place

[robust osprey]

wdym I also genocided an underwater civilization

[hushed geyser]

In my eyes it's another internet way of making something bad sound good

[robust osprey]

I dont even know what a girlfailure is

[spring helm]

A girl who fails at doing stuff

[robust osprey]

how did that get its own word

[untold oracle]

Hai pcorpnop

[spring helm]

I liked the idea that Calamitas is basically useless in any skill outside of using magic

[spring helm]

Hello

But after some revelations from Rebecca I’m now more leaning towards ex-delinquent Calamitas

[robust osprey]

and killing

[untold oracle]

Calamitas is secretly koshitan

[robust osprey]

I am also a genocidal failure smh

[warm gull]

this is the kind of comparison I find tired and overdone and also just not really accurate or amusing because its just so like

not true at all

[untold oracle]

That was a joke

[spring helm]

lol

[warm gull]

why tf do people want to compare calamitas to a quirky whimsical anime girl

[hushed geyser]

Insanity

[robust osprey]

thats the best word to describe society

insanity

[hushed geyser]

No it's society

[robust osprey]

(specially cal players)

[untold oracle]

Realistically I do not find Calamitas to be like that

[hushed geyser]

[untold oracle]

I think she’s just an introverted quiet girl who tries being nice to others

[robust osprey]

calamitas is so me I also killed thousands of innocent people...omg..

[wheat walrus]

When people say they are literally Calamitas, nobody bats an eye...

But when I say, that I'm literally Patrick Bateman from American Psycho...

[untold oracle]

I do think she horribly fails at shit but not in a quirky silly way

[wheat walrus]

Actually

I'm literally Yharim guys

[warm gull]

I just feel like her past of actual provable genocide sort of disqualifies her from being classified as that type of person

[untold oracle]

I don’t really understand what you mean, what do you think she is like then?

[robust osprey]

I relate to uuuh

statis is so me

[untold oracle]

I think she is just careful and tries to redeem herself by trying to be polite and nice

[wheat walrus]

Scarred child soldier who killed millions but suffers because of it

[untold oracle]

This is after she had left Yharim

[warm gull]

yeah

[untold oracle]

Mm yeah makes sense

[robust osprey]

that makes sense

I mean she was like

15

in fucking war

[spring helm]

Whenever I draw calamitas I always give her tired eyes

[robust osprey]

[spring helm]

Except when Caloro

[untold oracle]

Doesn’t look tired

[spring helm]

Fuck

[robust osprey]

exposed

[spring helm]

You will erase that from your memory

[untold oracle]

You will now explode

[robust osprey]

I sentence you to explode

[mighty zenith]

[robust osprey]

💥

[wheat walrus]

Like idk bout yall but why we making fun n shit on for saying Literally Me to shit like the many characters Ryan Gosling plays or Batman or Patrick Bateman but then we ignore when people say literally me to Calamitas dawg

[spring helm]

What

[untold oracle]

Is there an actual character in calamity that is realistically relatable

[robust osprey]

yharim is so me omg...

[hushed geyser]

I make gun of everyone who says "I'm literally x"

Cus i think it's dumb

[robust osprey]

uuh blue slime

[wheat walrus]

Don't wanna start a war but this lowkey feels like double standards idk

[wheat walrus]

That's much better already

[warm gull]

@mighty zenith

[hushed geyser]

I'm also just a d1 hater

[wheat walrus]

What was that again

[untold oracle]

Garping

[mighty zenith]

?

[untold oracle]

[hushed geyser]

Number one hater

[wheat walrus]

What did bronkler oofy say

[gritty kraken]

Hi

[robust osprey]

I think king slime is the most relatable terraria boss

[wheat walrus]

@gritty kraken run that shi back

[robust osprey]

silly guy who just grew too much

with barely any intelligence

[green bay]

Too much mcdonalds

[spring helm]

Bingus

[warm gull]

sometimes you just need a calamity addon mod that allows you to make the choice to kill calamitas yourself

[robust osprey]

why

[untold oracle]

What :(

[spring helm]

Violence

[robust osprey]

I think slave calamitas is better than kill her

[spring helm]

Extreme violence

What

[untold oracle]

What ☹️

[robust osprey]

just apply slavery smh

[spring helm]

I guess? But like, why

[gritty kraken]

Exhumed weapons

[green bay]

Addon to make her eat a popeyes buiscuit with no drink

[robust osprey]

slavery is always the best option

[hushed geyser]

Instantly turns to dust

[untold oracle]

Until you bring massive fucking insects into it

[green bay]

Real

[warm gull]

she simply drops a crafting station that lets you do it yourself

[spring helm]

“I don’t get it it’s just a biscuit why are you looking at me like that?”
Takes a bite
Intense coughing fit
💀

[untold oracle]

Public execution

[green bay]

-100000 hp/s

[wheat walrus]

Dawg what

[robust osprey]

she deserves it

[spring helm]

I suppose in a certain point of view slavery is better than death

[wheat walrus]

Adunno

[spring helm]

But like

[robust osprey]

what would you do by killing her? sent her to hell? I think thats what she wants

[spring helm]

Just don’t do both

[untold oracle]

She deserves a garden and a teleporter to Perma’s house

[spring helm]

Put her on house arrest

[spring helm]

Ok idk about that either tbh she is still a war criminal

[hushed geyser]

No

Id rather die

[spring helm]

I’m not gonna argue about the moral absolutism of death vs slavery

[robust osprey]

terraria house arrest is the same as slavery

[fierce pagoda]

Depend on what kind of slavery it is lowkey

[untold oracle]

Make her have a redemption arc

[green bay]

Is calamitas a cat or a dog person

[untold oracle]

Simple

[untold oracle]

CAT

[green bay]

Hell yeah

[hushed geyser]

Bird person

[fierce pagoda]

Like what if the choice is between death and a chill ass owner who properly provides for you and loves you

[wheat walrus]

Duke Fishron is just Piscine Wyvern easy, as Old Duke should be too

Folly, Wyrm and Weaver to Elder Dragon as well

Leviathan lmao lol

Fish, probably yea

Rest is correct methinks

[spring helm]

Supreme meow catlamitas

[green bay]

Unfortunately i killed the only bird in the mod

[spring helm]

You make the latter sound like you are a pet

[fierce pagoda]

Some people are into that kind of thing

[hushed geyser]

I was thinking more traditional type shit

[untold oracle]

[robust osprey]

arent there like 2 birds

[warm gull]

man I haven't pinged garbo in nearly 10 minutes

[green bay]

Oh yeah i forgot about the small one

[fierce pagoda]

Yeah in that case it would suck

[robust osprey]

and the smaller versions of the small one

[green bay]

Theres plenty of them i cant kill them all but there is just one yharon

[green bay]

Oh that too

Man too many birds

I want bunnies

[robust osprey]

get a lepus idk

[green bay]

No he dead

Dead ash

[robust osprey]

[untold oracle]

Mayeb put her in community service

[warm gull]

death. break. freedom. do not bow. burn the house of the one who "owns" you.

[fierce pagoda]

What if you like it though

[warm gull]

wrong

kill the one who owns you

[fierce pagoda]

But wouldnt that make it harder to live

[faint plank]

-# mreow

[warm gull]

do not think of the consequences

[fierce pagoda]

Oh okay

[hushed geyser]

Guess who's back

[warm gull]

if someone believes that they rightfully own you, then they should die.

no remorse

no forgiveness

kill them

[hushed geyser]

That's certainly a take

[untold oracle]

• Yharim

[hushed geyser]

To which i both agree and disagree

But i don't feel like talking about the moral complexities of that take

[green bay]

The government

And parents

[warm gull]

if all slaves killed their masters, then the masters would no longer be able to have slaves

[green bay]

Right

Cuz theyre dead

[hushed geyser]

Does that truly make you better than them

[warm gull]

because they would either be dead, or the slave that tried to kill them would

[hushed geyser]

If you even can be a better person than someone

[warm gull]

yes

murder is not worse than slavery

[hushed geyser]

This is too morally complex for me to think about right now

[untold oracle]

Literally Yharim

Larper

[warm gull]

what?

that is

not true at all

[hushed geyser]

Its also an interesting conversation cus is it truly worth killing to free yourself

[green bay]

Uh

Yea

[warm gull]

amend that to is it worth killing your owner to free yourself an the answer is unquestionably yes

[untold oracle]

I mean if I’m correct he does see slavery worse than genocide

[hushed geyser]

While yes I do think that is worth it you also gotta take into account that not all people who did it where evil outright and they have their own life beyond that

So I don't think it makes you better than him to kill

[warm gull]

they threw that life and all their morals away when they decided that they were entitled to own another person

[untold oracle]

Although my brain is not functional enough rn for this typa convo

[hushed geyser]

Both slavery and murder are inherently evil acts

[warm gull]

I said that murder is not worse than slavery

I did not mention genocide

[hushed geyser]

Genocide is different

[green bay]

My brain isnt functional enough like always

[warm gull]

killing someone is not inherently evil actually

[hushed geyser]

That's killing an entire race of people

[warm gull]

self defense etc.

[hushed geyser]

Its taking the life of another person

[warm gull]

yeah

[deft vessel]

Is an animal hunting another evil?

[warm gull]

in the case of self defense, that person is attempting to take your life or otherwise harm you and so it is not evil

[hushed geyser]

There's a big difference between a person and an animal

[warm gull]

it is natural

[untold oracle]

Comparing animals (literally needs food) to humans (moral being) doesn’t really work imo

[warm gull]

objective morality does not exist and so therefore neither does inherent evil

[hushed geyser]

Is your one exception to that slavery

Cus I'm starting to see your point ngl

[deft vessel]

If you need to eat another human to survive is it evil?

[untold oracle]

I mean in an extreme case it might be the only way to survive

[warm gull]

the things we attribute to objective morality are actually just the overarching subjective morality of our society

[untold oracle]

It’s not evil necessarily

[hushed geyser]

But killing a person is never a good thing

Its always a bad thing to do regardless of how you put it

[green bay]

Idk i think evil people kinda deserve it

[hushed geyser]

It may not be evil but it is at the very minimum bad

[untold oracle]

I think it’s never a good thing but conditions can make it less bad

[hushed geyser]

Yeah

[strange stump]

what's the topic here

[green bay]

Like i dont wanna bring real life examples but i would 100% kill a dictator if i could

[hushed geyser]

It can be less bad but it's never good

[deft vessel]

Philosophy part 3

[hushed geyser]

You're still killing someone

[untold oracle]

Fucking moral philosophical discussion

[green bay]

Murder

[strange stump]

oooooo interesting

[warm gull]

no slavery is not my one exception to that, its just my belief that you should make people suffer for attempting to own you and that you should have the self-righteousness and dignity to attempt to make them pay for that

[green bay]

Thats like batman saying no i wont kill joker cuz killing bad

[deft vessel]

Always the same question

[green bay]

Meanwhile joker over there killing 40 guys

[untold oracle]

Gotham resident watching Joker kill his entire family just to get Batman’s attention

[warm gull]

ask your slaver to free you immediately and at no cost, and if they refuse, torment them until they free you or they die

[hushed geyser]

You may not have the ability to do that

In fact it's highly unlikely

[warm gull]

if you don't then deny them your labor

refuse to be their slave

[untold oracle]

Aaand get punished severely

[hushed geyser]

And die most likely

[deft vessel]

Then what would be the scenario where slavery is not evil?

[warm gull]

if they kill you, then they lose as well

if every slave subscribed to this philosophy then slavery would be impossible

[untold oracle]

I don’t think there is one
Unless you count forced labour as a punishment slavery

[green bay]

I dont think there is one

Shit he typed faster than me

[hushed geyser]

BUT they also are beat down into submission and had their individuality erased

And at that point it's hard to actually do anything

[warm gull]

right

this is the true evil of slavery and why it is so insidious

[hushed geyser]

Very few people have the will to go through that and stay themselves

[warm gull]

most slaves would never have the chance to build such a philosophy in the first place

[hushed geyser]

It is treating one as an object rather than a person and thus preventing you from doing anything

Because what can an object do but stand there and take what happens

[deft vessel]

The only way slavery is not objectically evil is acording to those who practice it