lore-discussion

[untold oracle]

Their names are Blossom, Buttercup, and Bubbles

[sinful adder]

What question were you going to ask? We might be able to answer it

[supple thunder]

is this canon

ig it could be an interesting character arc where these 3 super innocent cutesy girls join a crusade to end all life

and they still find the whimsy in life

[hoary berry]

as far as i'm concerned, all first names in calamity start with the letter E

[split mortar]

Weird

[hoary berry]

mean

[supple thunder]

Erovidence?

Eharon?

[untold oracle]

This is true

[split mortar]

Erika iirc

[untold oracle]

Erika, Emily, Eric etc

[hoary berry]

okay provi's real name being Erika isn't even a joke headcanon

i just actually headcanon that

[supple thunder]

ah

[woeful hatch]

Ealamitas

[untold oracle]

Actually now that I’m writing bout Calamitas should I actually make her name Emily

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/eel-pizza-devour-gif-25512719

[hoary berry]

this is also a genuine headcanon of mine

[untold oracle]

Yeah I like it

It fits too

[visual bane]

eltaw

[hoary berry]

friendship ended with yharmy, now my best friend is earmy

[woeful hatch]

Providence was named Kristal (with a K) and due to having a shitty name she decided to purge everything

And that's why she has a crystal as her core

[split mortar]

God of sacrifices is not celery

[untold oracle]

Since when was I here lmfao

[hoary berry]

eeltaw final superboss

[supple thunder]

can i be named ears

[hoary berry]

noxus' big boss that we never get to fight because that's peak storytelling

[supple thunder]

the former god of the sense of hearing

[woeful hatch]

Lunatic cultist would be Elton

[hoary berry]

i disagree

[real silo]

Throwing you to the eeltaws pool

[woeful hatch]

Wait I may be fucking stupid but:

What happens to the auric souls of the gods we kill

And that yharim killed

[cloud ibex]

You know the corruption, crimson and hallow?

That’s some of the ones Yharim got

[untold oracle]

There is no more auric soul, there’s only god essence, which then starts trying to expand it seems

[cloud ibex]

DoG took the rest to do who knows what with it

As for the ones we kill the game doesn’t last long enough for us to see it for ourselves but they would in theory also eventually begin to make new biomes

[untold oracle]

Iirc Provi will make the profaned biome

[sinful adder]

They stopped being Auric souls when they fused with a human soul to become a god soul. God souls explode into essence on death

[split mortar]

Slime god is just so weak that it does basically nothing

For now

[sinful adder]

Oh wait deltaw said that

[woeful hatch]

Interesting.

[split mortar]

🐌

[sinful adder]

Slime god dying should make a slime tree where slimes gather, or something like that

[woeful hatch]

Tbh I did understand the way you explained it better, if it's any consolation

[sinful adder]

Maybe a slime village of sentient slime NPCs

Not that it actually will, he's too weak for that

The hallow, corruption, and crimson are made of the souls of hundreds or maybe thousands of gods

[light linden]

what would happen if a robot came into possession of an auric soul?

[spring helm]

Progress halted because I haven’t read enough shoujo romance manga, and it was meant to be a parody of those

Maybe during winter break I’ll try again

[split mortar]

Unless the bot has a soul (normal mech bosses) then I don’t think they can ascend

[sinful adder]

Depends on whether they have a soul to begin with I think. Which they could, potentially. They might be able to do something else with an auric soul if they didn't have a soul of their own.

[scenic olive]

Robotic Soul

[supple thunder]

robauric soul.

but like since the auric soul wouldn’t be mixed with a mortal soul it might be possible to kill the robot and get the soul back again

[real silo]

Soul of steel in a mech dragon

Would be fuckin sick

[woeful hatch]

Imagine soul of life in a robot

[sinful adder]

I was considering writing a robot OC

[scenic olive]

"Soul of Steel" Ultrakill ahh line

[sinful adder]

I mean, my PFP is Quote from cave story, I like them as characters a lot

[woeful hatch]

Sounds peak

[sinful adder]

Writing is a lot of work though

[mighty zenith]

based

[warm gull]

tunkus

blonk

[gritty kraken]

20,000 plastic yharons haste been dumped into the sulphuric sea

[supple thunder]

have* :nerdlamitas;☝️

[gritty kraken]

Thaz crazee

[hoary berry]

[split mortar]

Calaminerd actually 🤓

[supple thunder]

i have the coords to your terraria base actually 🤓

[split mortar]

Ah thank you forgot where they were

[untold oracle]

Actually a massive L if you genuinely forget your terraria base’s location

[split mortar]

I ate the map so could t see

[untold oracle]

First the phone case… now the map?

[split mortar]

Paper tastes boring

Cardboards even more boring

[untold oracle]

My mental fortitude is fading

[cosmic minnow]

Signs of-

Wait

It was „losing trust ending friendship..“

[frozen zodiac]

and rage escalator

i funking hate escalators

[cosmic minnow]

I think it was escalating …

But true, escalators suck.

Stinky cramped spaces

[supple thunder]

right on your road to your manners

[cosmic minnow]

Watching closely as Christmas turns into -

Dumb question but how is it that the rest of hell is connected to azafure when it once was a productive big city, surely they didn’t build a place to live next to fucking hell

[split mortar]

It was a better choice then dealing with the sun back when dragons were alive

Also yes they did choose to live in hell

The place had free food thanks to silvas first time going in the abyss so it wasn’t too bad

[cosmic minnow]

Damn…

[untold oracle]

Also I have a headcanon that despite brimstone lava being a lot hotter the crags have a cooler climate than the rest of the underworld

[cosmic minnow]

Kinda makes sense

Hide the ring

[woeful hatch]

Free food from Silva
Free lava for forging

Also it wasn't called "hell" in the past, it just started being called hell in more recent times

[cosmic minnow]

Ohhhh

[split mortar]

Yeah before it was just the underworld

As in the world but under the surface

iirc

[untold oracle]

Oh yeah I never fully understood this whole draconic era sun being hot asf thing

Where was it stated?

[deft vessel]

Excluding some absolute units (probably)

[split mortar]

Devs a l bit ago

[fierce pagoda]

Does anyone have a list of all vanilla bestisry entries that are being rewritten?

[split mortar]

Yeah, the changelogs have them iirc

[fierce pagoda]

Thank you

but i only found this sadly "429 - Completely rewrote various vanilla Bestiary entries. - Done ✅"

dont think theres a full list out there

[mighty zenith]

iirc its just the bosses and some entries that contradict the lore

so... mostly just bosses and torch god

[fierce pagoda]

torch god!?

peak lore incoming

[mighty zenith]

||its not||

[random mulch]

hope the lore is just that you're hallucinating from carbon monoxide

[mighty zenith]

||iirc its just been reworded to not cause confusion||

[frozen zodiac]

gas leak

[dusk laurel]

There is

#lore-discussion message

Eater of Worlds has been added since this list was written iirc

[split mortar]

It’s just a change from
Mysterious unknown god
To
Mysterious unknown being

To leave more room for headcanon and less confusion I think

[gritty kraken]

Paladin rewrite is looking like it would be about dead yharim soldiers rn

[woeful hatch]

I think it'd be pretty funny if the torch god ended up being a random torch upon which an auric soul was burned or something

Even if that's not gonna happen

[mighty zenith]

i dont think thats how the ritual goes

[indigo glade]

One word change.

||From "deity" to "entity"||

[fierce pagoda]

Guess Torch god is gonna be our story's unexplainable mystery

sort of like One Piece's florian triangle monsters

[hoary berry]

wip

[indigo glade]

I thought that said "How do you kill a plant?" at first.

[hoary berry]

that would be outlandish

everyone knows plants are omnipotent beings

you simply cannot kill them

a planet though?

[pliant ruin]

i also thought that said how do you kill a plant

haiii helloo goodmorning

[hoary berry]

just stab it a few times

hai cheese

[indigo glade]

Hello.

[real silo]

You know what else is omnipotent

@omn

[untold oracle]

Hai I’m deltawpotent

[faint plank]

sigmapotent

[hoary berry]

reverie i worry for you

[dusk laurel]

[brave dew]

Skibidipotent

Reverie truly is hawktuahpotent

[faint plank]

it gets tuah point

[brave dew]

Knee surgery potent

Sir we are sorry to inform you that you are not knee surgery potent

Which means we cannot operate your knee

[pulsar trellis]

this is not a moment worthy of 25+ knee surgery memes

[brave dew]

Knee surgery is probably cannon

To the calverse

Yharim probably did a knee surgery

Same for scal

That's why she's so depressed n shit

[real silo]

Scal was the knee surgeon

Saw too many busted knees

Traumatized her for life

[brave dew]

She taurmatisizing

Poor cal 😔

[pulsar trellis]

lost job stability so started giving people knee injuries as well

[brave dew]

But then she saw even more broken knees

Which made her even more traumatized

[dusk laurel]

[brave dew]

Im saving this

Tfw when you're jonkler and knee surgery is tmrw

[untold oracle]

SCal after giving knee surgery to everyone in Ilmeris

[devout grotto]

😭

[dusk laurel]

The stink levels here have never been higher

[untold oracle]

The great stinkening

[faint plank]

[dusk laurel]

You dark mage

[faint plank]

i am sigmalicious evil

[brave dew]

Sso

[dusk laurel]

☹️

[brave dew]

Super Sigma Overdrive

[dusk laurel]

Die

[brave dew]

Die

Ultrakill must die

Skibidi ultrakill sigma gabriel reference

[untold oracle]

The stinky is starting to enter threat level 3

[brave dew]

V2 knee surgery

[faint plank]

i shall step away

[brave dew]

And hawk tuah the earthmover

[untold oracle]

We need to change subject!

Uhh

Uhhh

[brave dew]

Will we ever be able to fight xeroc ?

[untold oracle]

What polycules are there others than Elementals and Providence & Guardians?

[brave dew]

I mean he created the boss rush as a challenge

Wouldnt it be a challenge to fight him too

[dusk laurel]

You disgust me.

[brave dew]

Whats polycules

[untold oracle]

Maybe, depends on what the devs think after Yhim

[untold oracle]

Polyamorous relationships

[brave dew]

I think after yhim its noxus and whoever else

I remember 2 superbosses after yhim

We're not even sure of getting the 2 superbosses

[fading helm]

xeroc and noxus

[brave dew]

Oh

[fading helm]

might happen might not happen tho

[brave dew]

Yeah

[fading helm]

but they are the only 2 dudes stronger than yharim rn

[brave dew]

Could be very cool though

[woeful hatch]

Do we even know anything about noxus other than "probably connected to the distortion/the mastermind of the distortion" (and even that I'm not sure of, it's just the only thing that seems reasonable)

[split mortar]

They created ceaseless void
They’re the boss of the devourer of gods
They don’t boss signus

Btw the hivemind thing is actually a theory from draedon so it’s not garunteed either

[hoary berry]

wait we got confirmation that noxus created CV?

[untold oracle]

I don’t think so but it feels obvious

[split mortar]

Pretty sure writers have said it like it’s not a spoiler

So I think it’s like meant to be so obvious that it’s a dumb thing to question it

[deft vessel]

How would Xeroc fair against an opponent who’s immune to PL

[split mortar]

Still be extremely strong

Since he can also use shadows

And anything else really

Shadows and light are in their domain

[hoary berry]

being immune to light doesn't protect you from a supersonic punch

[sleek halo]

depends how strong they are

[hoary berry]

^

[sleek halo]

i mean it was someone like Fovos

and they’re immune to it

Xeroc is probably going to lose

[deft vessel]

Probably

[split mortar]

I’d say that makes it more 45/55 with fovos winning

[sleek halo]

That’s of course not accounting for the fact he likely knows

a lot more about fovos

than fovos knows about him

and probably doesn’t know what he’s capable of lol

[split mortar]

Keep in mind xeroc before centuries of potential study had the skill to on the fly make the perfect ascension ritual

[hoary berry]

i mean

"on the fly" is possibly great exaggeration

[sleek halo]

I’d say the threshold he starts losing at is like Yharim probably

[hoary berry]

we don't know how long there was between fovos' sealing and xeroc's ascension

[sleek halo]

and that’s only a chance

[hoary berry]

only that they both happened in the latter half of 1037

[brave dew]

Isnt xeroc the god of light or smthin

[split mortar]

God of primordial light

And shadows

[deft vessel]

I’d say a mont to a week

[split mortar]

And even then Xeroc isn’t just primordial light and shadows

[deft vessel]

Ye if we go with him being on the same level with Yharim pre-ascencion

[woeful hatch]

I mean, didn't fovos take the strength of ALL the dragons to seal away

Don't get me wrong, xeroc is definitely strong but like. He just has the soul of One dragon, even if it is the strongest. Tf he gonna do against a guy that took the might of many dragons just to weaken and seal away?

[split mortar]

^

[tall delta]

he was at the same level as yharon pre ascension

[brave dew]

Or like

The god of evrrything

[sleek halo]

Not rly confirmed

And keep in mind regardless

the average auric dragon

[brave dew]

Cant xeroc like

[sleek halo]

is so far below even someone like zeratros

[brave dew]

Pick the sun and throw it at you or smthin

Ive seen someone talk abt this

[split mortar]

We only know fovos beats Noxus in a fight not xeroc

[deft vessel]

No?

[sleek halo]

And Zeratros is a lot stronger than even the strongest auric dragons

Considering current Yharon is the second strongest auric dragon ever

[brave dew]

What can xeroc do withoit shadows and pl ?

[split mortar]

I jokingly say it to get the point across that having the sun as your domain is strong as fuck

But probably would take a while if Xeroc was to do it

[sleek halo]

Meaning the power gap is like absurd

[split mortar]

Punch you

Really fucking hard

[brave dew]

One punch xeroc

And his disciple

Thebterrarian

[split mortar]

Xeroc would still have access to any other magics

[brave dew]

Any ?

Like brimstone flames ?

What even is considered magic ?

[split mortar]

Yeah? Don’t see why he couldn’t just cast brimstone fire if need be

[sleek halo]

The biggest thing is uh

[woeful hatch]

Yeah but even zerastros was "gravely injured" by fovos and that was with ALL the other dragons too , and all they did was manage to heavily wound seal away fovos, not even kill it

[sleek halo]

We don’t know how

the dragons fought him

if it really was all of them

[brave dew]

Like is miracle blight and exo tecynology considered magic ?

[sleek halo]

I mean hell Fovos could’ve only encountered like 15% of the dragons personally lol

[split mortar]

We don’t know how dragons fought fovos

And fovos is well equipped for fighting a horde due to its tongue ability

[split mortar]

I’d bet yea

[brave dew]

Can xeroc throw it back tho

[sleek halo]

The main thing is

[brave dew]

And like

[sleek halo]

Xeroc had a perfect ritual

Was one of the strongest ppl already

[brave dew]

If he loses shadows and pl

[woeful hatch]

We're told the dragons were "fighting with all their strength"

I don't think that'd be just 15% of the dragons

[brave dew]

Hell onky have inferior magic and punching

[sleek halo]

did the ritual with the strongest of dragons

[brave dew]

Youll be way stronger than the magic he's using

And i doubt punching you is as strong as pl

[sleek halo]

You would likely still get

owned pretty badly against a xeroc

not using his domain

considering it’s probably not making him any less tanky

[split mortar]

Xeroc is considered to have the highest potential/is already at the peak of strength iirc from dev statements

[sleek halo]

I kinda think of it like

[brave dew]

Yeah but he probably wont be able to kill you either with punching and weak magic

[sleek halo]

Yharim…

[brave dew]

Yharim isnt punching

[sleek halo]

Literally mr left right good night

[brave dew]

It would be logical to give him a spear or smthin

Why would yharim fight you with his fists

[sleek halo]

Because he can

[untold oracle]

Turbo punch

[brave dew]

Yharim's dumb anyway

[wheat walrus]

I mean 15% of the population of the strongest beings in the world is a lot, especially assuming that 15% was the stronger side of auric dragons

[sleek halo]

The main thing is

[brave dew]

Yharim would probably dash at you like yharon

[sleek halo]

we don’t know how many auric dragons even were that strong

[brave dew]

Not fucking throw hands

Dumbass yharim

Fatass loser

Cant even use a weapon

[sleek halo]

but what we do know

is no other auric dragons has reached Yharon’s current level

Excluding Zeratros who surpasses him

Also the dragons probably weren’t good at fighting lol

[split mortar]

I headcanon yharim has to throw hands cause weapons break from like 2 weeks of use due to how strong he is

[sleek halo]

I mean why would they be???

[hushed geyser]

Bro think he lu bu

[brave dew]

Yeah but i doubt our fight is gonna last. Weeks he can bring them for this fight

[wheat walrus]

may I add, do consider that having 15% of anything's population is a massive number

in war

[brave dew]

And if he was so strong

Wouldnt his armor also break by how hard hes punching

[sleek halo]

But yeah I mean Fovos is probably at least capable of beating Xeroc, but not in his favor

[brave dew]

And if youre telling me exo tech then why dont he just call dardon and ask him to have exi tech on wpon

[sleek halo]

realistically he loses most of the tme

[split mortar]

Exo tech uses cosmilite alloys, doubt that’s better then auric

Also a weapon would experience more force then a punch so eh

[brave dew]

Not if he's using something like a spear

It shouldnt even break when in contact with the terrarian except if the terrarian is fucking jacked af

Like the only thing that could really break the weapons are the terrarians armor then

If yharim is so strong his weapon should pierce right through terrarians armor and if it doesnt then terrarians armor is just too strong

[split mortar]

Counterpoint

I find it more cool if he just decks you

[brave dew]

Lol

It would be funny to have yharim just beat the shit out of you

He could also have some sort of shield to dash into you like yharon

A spear would be cool too

A sword is too boring overused and isnt something good to use when dashing through something

It's more of a slash

Then a

Dash

And a rapier would be too gentleman

So yharim's weapon is definitely a spear

I wouldnt see anything else that could be used

[summer rover]

Is Yharon truly dead after the terrarian defeats him? I'm curious because he is called the dragon of rebirth, and so in my head I've always thought that that means that he can eventually come back after he dies.

[brave dew]

Yharon revives

Not yharim

Yharim is just a dictator guy he cant revive

[untold oracle]

He’s gonna respawn in about 10 years

[brave dew]

He ded

[summer rover]

I know, I was asking about Yharon

[brave dew]

Wait what

Really

[hybrid barn]

He'll still get reborn, but his soul was damaged a bit after your fight with him, so he might not be able to do stuff like that forever

[brave dew]

Oohohhhh

Yharon

Yes yharon is

Respawning

[untold oracle]

The fragments you get are a pathetically small portion of his full soul

[hybrid barn]

Actually, yeah, that tracks

[warm gull]

good lorning more discussion

[wheat walrus]

mood gorning dore liscussion

[cosmic minnow]

For me it’s f-ing 8 pm

[river python]

lood dorning gore miscussion

[vocal cairn]

dood morning lore giscussion

[devout grotto]

✨️I love lore✨️

[fierce pagoda]

the funnisest

[light linden]

hey do we know what armor the crusaders used pre-draedon?

[split mortar]

Don’t think so

Then again draedon joined 22 years in so he was not too late so I doubt they would have too much good stuff by then

[fierce pagoda]

I mean didnt Yharim say taht during his crusades they were never lacking in arms due to Azafure?

Azafure blacksmiths may have been able to cook up some good armor

Hellstone is a given

maybe they had access to some hardmode ores?

oh yeah and they also had Permafrost so Cryonic armor is also a possibility

Perma makes the metal, Azafure makes the armor

I mean they could also have had access Scoria, so hydrothermic armor or a variant is also possible

[split mortar]

Not scoria since that’s in abyss

[fierce pagoda]

well couldn't they have had means to get down there?

also Chrlorophyte is also there

and potentially Hallowed too?

[split mortar]

Maybe??? But hallowed existed after wof death so I’m a bit confused there

[split mortar]

That needs stuff above Cryonic and tier 3

[fierce pagoda]

I think that the hallowed existed before Wof right?

and the one we see ingame

is what was unleashed after wof is dead

they had cryonic though

Permafrost is there

[split mortar]

True that’s still really good

But not enough to break chlorophyte

[fierce pagoda]

right hallowed is needed for that

[split mortar]

Yeah

[fierce pagoda]

but i dont think its a strecth to assume hallowed ore existed before WoF

since they have had to make they mechs at some point

[split mortar]

There is a reason why the mechs spawn the ore on death so we may have to wait till that’s explained sadly

[fierce pagoda]

true

but they should have been able to easily procure a picksaw

i mean just steal if from the lizhards

what are they gonna do to Yharim

then mine scoria

[light linden]

ngl

[spring helm]

I think hallowed is steel imbued with souls

[light linden]

I feel like hallowed ore is-

oh ffs I was about to say that

[fierce pagoda]

I think all the hardmode ores have something to do with souls

but are the mechs made out of Hallowed ore?

since they drop hallowed bars

but, Hellstone armor seems like something we can guarantee the Yharmy had access to

[spring helm]

Even just hellstone armour is pretty nuts, that stuff will take you to hardmode

[fierce pagoda]

Platinum/gold armor is enough to take down and protect from King slime

i think that already puts you far above the average joe in cal verse

the weight may be an issue though

cant imagine it being easy to run around in platinum

[split mortar]

Killing king slime or desert scourge is enough to be a local legend

[light linden]

ngl

[split mortar]

Or local hero

[light linden]

I feel like calamity has an issue with powerscaling specifically regarding normal people

[split mortar]

How so?

[fierce pagoda]

Cactus sword and you're already stronger than most probably lmao

heart crystals, even just like 5 makes you powerful enough

to do stuff

[light linden]

mainly heart crystals

with them theoretically anyone could become a lot stronger

[fierce pagoda]

Heart crystals are probably a phenomena only occuring in the heartlands

like you only find them here

[light linden]

issue with that

they can be made

[fierce pagoda]

maybe you could make them yourself

but to have them occur naturally

[split mortar]

Yeah via gems, which are quite uncommon

[fierce pagoda]

that is whats special

[light linden]

you act like an industrialized society wouldn't be mining for ruby like we do for gold and oil

also they can be grown

[fierce pagoda]

Lab made gems are razy

but look at this guys

[light linden]

not lab made

gem trees

they don't require light

[fierce pagoda]

The Bestiary entry for Gem Squirrels: "Glistening squirrels who strayed too deep become ensorcelled with residual cursed energy retained in gemstones.

[light linden]

they quite literally provide material for building houses

[split mortar]

Oh yeah gems being cursed is staying

[fierce pagoda]

Gem Bunnies: "These colorful rabbits made their way so deep, their reaction to magicked gems resulted in a coveted sparkling appearance."

[light linden]

and they can be used to bolster your people

[fierce pagoda]

Crazy magic gems

[split mortar]

So having gems be around 24/7 for long term civilisations may be a hazard

[fierce pagoda]

turns them into said crystal

Midas style

just like what happened to the bunnies and squirrels

[light linden]

tbf corruption can take over critters but can't take over us

so

[fierce pagoda]

Corruption is worse even if it cant take you over

and also just cuz corruption cant, doesnt meant that gems cant turn you

[light linden]

you're telling me

the literal essence of malicious gods can't take over a person

[fierce pagoda]

and we DO have corrupted mummies, but they're dead...

[light linden]

but the rocks that people commonly wear can

[split mortar]

We don’t know how corruption does stuff, may also be like astral infection where smort enough and resist

[fierce pagoda]

astral infection still melts your flesh off

[light linden]

also

[split mortar]

Only astral ore, so dense enough raw astral does that

[fierce pagoda]

right

[light linden]

why would jewelry even be made if it could take you over?

[fierce pagoda]

maybe not all gems are cursed

and only the cursed kind can make heart crystals

[light linden]

actually wait

can diamonds be used to make steel?

[fierce pagoda]

like in real life?

[light linden]

yeah

[fierce pagoda]

No. Diamond is a pure crystalline form of carbon. Carbon is an element contained in steel. When the carbon in the diamond and the carbon in the steel contact, the diamond will lose carbon to that in the steel

googled it

copy pasted that

[light linden]

well I'm tryna think about uses for other types of gemcorns in a society

[fierce pagoda]

giant gem lock gates

maybe

[light linden]

and was wondering

could azafurians grow diamond gemcorn trees for not only the stone to build homes but also the diamonds to make steel?

generally though I feel like there has to or had to have been a society than used gemcorns to get building materials

even if the gems were discarded

[fierce pagoda]

maybe those pink new gems that are being added

will maybe give us something

about a gem society

[light linden]

it's not even a society focused around them

just having it be part of their economy

[hybrid barn]

Maybe it only transforms creatures with low resistance?

[light linden]

also I'm finding conflicting sources about this

[fierce pagoda]

the statis ninjas may have used gems a lot

[fierce pagoda]

yeah i pulled that shit from quora lmao

should have mentioned that

[light linden]

some are saying it is possible but ineffiecent, others are saying that the diamonds would be burned before steel could form

should prolly say

[fierce pagoda]

im finding the same too

[light linden]

I do work with steel and bronze a LOT so I feel like it could be possible

[fierce pagoda]

but maybe Azafure were G's and had an incredibly efficent way of turning gems into steel

[light linden]

hell with draedon supercharging azafure's technological sectors they likely needed sapphire and ruby for LEDs and lasers

[fierce pagoda]

is sea prism more ore, or more gem

[light linden]

gem

[fierce pagoda]

the wiki calls it an ore😔

[pliant ruin]

based on the name prism

id say neither

probably something vitric

glass-esque

[fierce pagoda]

how does sea prisms grow in the first place, may similar to things like Quartz?

[light linden]

I feel like I should ask a dev about some of this

[fierce pagoda]

go on, ping one

[light linden]

I'll wait till one is here, don't wanna bother them

[faint plank]

-# mreow

[dusk laurel]

-# Meow

[faint plank]

-# shh be sneaky

-# mreow

[pliant ruin]

-# nya

[dusk laurel]

-# mrrp

[pliant ruin]

meow

how r we doing lore peole

[dusk laurel]

Tired

[split mortar]

Concerned

But I shouldn’t really divulge why

If that’s the correct way to use divulge

[pliant ruin]

i am currently waiting for a burger

[split mortar]

Hope the burger burgers

[faint plank]

i am rotting

[light linden]

my everything aches

[pliant ruin]

:(

not very good it seems

[split mortar]

Yeah apart from you health concerns seem to be happening

I think

[light linden]

also back to that whole discussion of gem trees

they likely also would've been grown in towns with many people studying or teaching magic

since the gem staffs and robes would likely be very useful for teaching the basics of magic

[woeful hatch]

Wait so I have a dumb question

We know EOL can instakill us during the daytime because she can channel the primordial light

And we know Xeroc, who will possibly in the future be added to calamity, has the entire power of the primordial light. Now I know he'd be a super boss, and optional content. But does it mean he'll oneshot us with any primordial light attack too?

[dusk laurel]

Daytime EoL doesn't oneshot you in Calamity

[frozen zodiac]

i doubt it, in my mind challenging him is merely a test he does out of complete boredom and/or curiosity on his part
you dont actually kill him, just impress him until he decides to give a reward for your endurance

thats just my mind and i may be completely wrong though

[split mortar]

We don’t kill xeroc due to them being better then us in every way so yeah I think it is a test

[woeful hatch]

Well, boss rush is already kind of supposed to be that

And if we fight xeroc that means we'd have already beaten noxus. Which I doubt would be as merciful. So we wouldn't be TOO far off in power maybe?

And we already know that Yharim's power, while not nearly the same as xeroc's, is still close enough to have xeroc nearly doubt his own power

[frozen zodiac]

i mean they could always go full in on the godhome inspiration and add him at the end of boss rush like absolute radiance

[woeful hatch]

Actually nvm he just straight up doubted his own power in comparison to yharim , not "nearly"

[pliant ruin]

I mean

not necessarily

noxus could be after xeroc

theres no confirmation

[split mortar]

Yharim is stronger then when he was a monk, meaning that shows there’s a possible path for other creatures to get to his level eventually if another being arises like yharim or us arises

[tidal tulip]

xeroc is the absolute peak of power in the calamity world, there is no one that can match up to him

[spare pier]

Xeroc is gonna be after Noxus. I already explained the premise of the fight before

[pliant ruin]

ic

[spare pier]

Yes, Xeroc is testing you, it's a fight for fun

[light linden]

oh rebecca

[spare pier]

But that doesn't mean he will hold back

[pliant ruin]

yeah its like

a sparring match p much

[spare pier]

He's gonna throw everything he can at you but stop just short of killing you

[light linden]

can I ask a question?

[spare pier]

Shoot

[pliant ruin]

honestly i actually like the

[light linden]

did azafure have gem trees?

[spare pier]

Idk

[light linden]

I was talking about them earlier

[pliant ruin]

sparring match approach more than like, the idea alot of ppl had abt it being a test for us to prove ourselves worthy of fighting noxus
it's more unique (since br is already a test type thing) and i just like the casual vibes of it better than some mighty test to determine the fate of the world. nah u two r just vibing

[light linden]

how they might use diamond ones to make steel and ruby ones for life crystals

[fierce pagoda]

At least Xeroc is chill enough to not kill us, cuz like a majority of the people here would not do the same for Xeroc lmao

[lethal heron]

Did xeroc make the empress of light or at least give her her powers?

[split mortar]

We don’t know

[tall delta]

xeroc didnt create her

[split mortar]

All we know is that she has her primordial light powers from a god

[tall delta]

lorefic

[lethal heron]

Only god we know that has primordial light would be xeroc, no?

[spare pier]

Empress of Light stuff is likely being rewritten so don't think too much about it for now

[wheat walrus]

The First Oath has been broken.

https://tenor.com/view/mahoraga-jjk-jjks2-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-gif-16426072969937482542

[light linden]

@wheat walrushey you're the power rank guy right?

[split mortar]

Yes

And it’s power scaler iirc

[supple thunder]

Draedon: I have created an attachment for flamethrowers that allows them to reach temperatures rivaling those of the Witch’s magic. Since this was only possible with your “miracle matter,” I will once again allow you to name this modification.

Terrarian: ok so what if we take the witch’s name and translate it like it’s a word from a dead language from another universe

Draedon: …Very well. I now present our newest creation: the Calamity Mod.

[split mortar]

Can lore chat stop stinking

[supple thunder]

yes

simply remove yourself

[pliant ruin]

wonder what empress's new lore will be and if she'll actually be majorly relevant unlike most vanilla guys

[astral cedar]

Are lore items from the perspective of the player character, or a passage of another person or entity?

[pliant ruin]

another person

yharim

the player "character" dosen't quite exist, it's more of a blank slate to put ur own character into

(don't post the image i swear to god)

[spring helm]

“Hey, you look strong. Let’s fight!”

[astral cedar]

Is yharim a boss or one of those mysterious narrator types

[spring helm]

Both

Though he’s not a boss in the game yet

He’s gonna be one of the last things added

[split mortar]

Yharim will be the final boss

Currently he just talks to you via the lore items from bosses

And yeah as cheese said

[fierce pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/black-beard-peak-writing-black-beard-marshal-d-teach-peak-writing-barba-negra-gif-5446515270440960312

[light linden]

do not

[pliant ruin]

:/

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

They asked genuine question

It answers it completely

[light linden]

anyways

[fierce pagoda]

I like the (except we suck at naming)

[light linden]

y'all think yharim would like manicotti?

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but i literally had already answered

[split mortar]

Idk what that is

Oh yeah

[pliant ruin]

Wjats thar

[split mortar]

It’s like 1 am I lack brain

[light linden]

big noodle filled with cheese and tomato sauce

[pliant ruin]

That looks delectable

[sinful adder]

The lore items are yharim (the main villain) talking to the player. Currently it's via some kind of magic telepathy but this is going to be replaced with some other communication system, like maybe a hologram or crystal ball or something.

[pliant ruin]

Im nit yharim but it looks good

[light linden]

it's one of my favorite foods

[split mortar]

Pass

[dusk laurel]

Looks edible

[pliant ruin]

It looks so good rho..... yummy pasta

[dusk laurel]

and scrumptious

[light linden]

now that I think about it

[pliant ruin]

• it has cheese on ir

Refeenc

[light linden]

are noodles even canon to calamity?

[pliant ruin]

I mean wby wouldnt they bw

[sinful adder]

Oh wait this was already answered and I missed it because discord scrolling sucks

[pliant ruin]

Theyre pretty easy to make, rly old cooking technique

[light linden]

specifically mozzarella, parmesan, and ricotta

[fierce pagoda]

Hoplites drop spaghetti

Spagerri

I cooka da meatball

[supple thunder]

me fr

[supple thunder]

the goblin tinkerer sells spaghetti so yes

[wheat walrus]

[light linden]

which warframe would you say would have the best chance at fighting providence?

[wheat walrus]

idk

[light linden]

[wheat walrus]

I only installed Warframe once, not to play it but to get a very funny file that for some reason is required to use the Quest Editor/Creator Mod for MHWI in a safe manner

except I ended up doing nothing with that since after all that trying to set things up I got kinda tired on that

and by safe manner I mean

in a way that doesn't have potential to fuck your computer

[light linden]

@spare pier can I ask another lore question please?

[spare pier]

Sure

[wheat walrus]

how much lore is too lore

[light linden]

are there any magic spells unrelated to cryomancy than Permafrost made?

[wheat walrus]

likely

[spare pier]

Yeah, absolutely

[light linden]

ok ty

actually wait

I just realized, is there a single character devoted solely to ranger weapons?

[sinful adder]

I don't think so

[light linden]

sad

actually that kinda explains a lot about ranger lmao

[light linden]

Actually, did he create any for Yharim's forces?

[supple thunder]

killus goddus

[spare pier]

Probably, yeah

[hybrid barn]

Arms dealer

[light linden]

idek if they're a lore character

[robust osprey]

sells gun to jharem

trust

[hybrid barn]

E-
Well I think vanilla town NPCs are going to get some lore tidbits in the future, so he might not be a major character, but still

[robust osprey]

sell gun to jungl tiran

source: trust me

[spare pier]

Every town NPC is canon but very few of them have actual relevance to the story

There's no need to anyways

They work far better as just cool isolated stories

[spring helm]

Rebecca, can Yharim sing/dance

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, that's fair

[light linden]

actually

[robust osprey]

I doubt he can dance

[spare pier]

Debatable but I'd say yes

[robust osprey]

with that armor

[light linden]

wasn't there an archer character in the old lore?

[spring helm]

Hell yeah

[robust osprey]

that doesnt take off since like 999 years

[light linden]

and the blossom flux was their bow?

[spring helm]

Okay, got my inspiration

[spare pier]

Even the Guide, who is still y'know

Very closely related to the Wall of Flesh

[light linden]

"I miss my wife tails"

[spring helm]

I miss my wife Terrarian, I miss her a lot.

[spare pier]

He's still a very isolated story

[light linden]

🐌

[spring helm]

[spare pier]

There was Astreal Defeat

Which was a weapon belonging to Yharim's mother

[supple thunder]

wasn’t it like yharim’s mom or something

[hybrid barn]

Pshh-
Ooh, I'm actually curious about something, or it was something I was curious about earlier but never really asked! Would you mind?

[spring helm]

Anything to do with Yharim’s mom is no longer canon

Oh wait

Nvm ignore what I just said

[spare pier]

Shoot

[hybrid barn]

What are the requirements for being able to use mana? Because I feel like I have a general guess, but ya never know

[spare pier]

Nothing specific, Mana is just Terraria's Ki or Chakra or whatever magic vital energy you might imagine

People just channel it through various means. Of course, tomes, wands and whatnot are used but some people can do it with their bare hands; look at Calamitas

[hybrid barn]

Interesting! I thought it'd at least need some level of sapience, but that's cool to know

[spare pier]

I mean, you see a bunch of monsters using magic in Terraria so

[hybrid barn]

Oh riiighht, that makes sense

[wheat walrus]

damn didnt know Calamitas had hands

imagine Calamitas throwing hands with people

[warm gull]

plikus

[real silo]

Brimstone fist

[warm gull]

can calamitas throw down in the ring tho

[real silo]

This is literally just cataclysm

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-itadori-itadori-yuji-itadori-vs-mahito-black-flash-gif-15237154142514140549

black flash but it burns

[warm gull]

no magic, no energy shields, just calamitas, some boxing gloves, and her opponent

does she even have the basic martial skills to reliably win against someone in her own weight class

of average skill

[spare pier]

I think Cal can fight with her hands but without her magic she's kinda just

Person who knows basic self defense

[real silo]

She doesn't seem the type

Maybe cataclysm taught her a little

[wheat walrus]

people who know

[warm gull]

yeah I was wondering about whether she has any hand to hand training

[light linden]

hmmm

oh right rebecca I wanted clarification on something earlier

[spare pier]

I think she has pretty good self defense training since, well I might as well just say it I doubt it's really a spoiler

Cal used to be on her own a lot during her childhood

[warm gull]

but like, as far as I know she's just a regular ass person wothout her magic so she would probably just get beaten up by someone bigger than her

[light linden]

can gems corrupt people like they can corrupt critters?

[wheat walrus]

Calamitas VS Mike Tyson, if she wins she fights Jake Paul

[real silo]

She would bake paul

[wheat walrus]

Bake Paul is crazy

[warm gull]

calamitas is allowed to use her magic during the match with jake paul

[spare pier]

So I think her brothers just taught her enough to, if she got in any trouble, be able to hold her own

[wheat walrus]

lmao

[light linden]

I feel like I shouldn't make the joke I wanna make

screw it

[wheat walrus]

what would it be

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, that actually gives me a big question that might actually be spoilery (in its answer, I mean)
Did anything happen to her brothers?

[light linden]

she'd make him look like Lunchly's cheese

[spare pier]

Probably but it's irrelevant, the reason Crawlers have such big concentrations is because when they show up they can't get rid of it

[wheat walrus]

😭

I like my cheese drippy bruh

[spare pier]

I sure do wonder what happened to the two corpses she reanimated

[warm gull]

calamitas would turn jake paul to red prime

[light linden]

this was the context

wait crap

[warm gull]

is it moral for cal to use her brother's corpses as puppets

[hybrid barn]

Well yeah, but did they die as collateral in her fight with Brimmy, or is there more of a story there?

[light linden]

I didn't turn off ping

[warm gull]

or is it literal that they want to protect her in death

etc

[spare pier]

If they died anywhere else than Brimmy's attack it'd put into question how in the actual FUCK did she find their bodies

[hybrid barn]

Alright, that's fair then

[spare pier]

Girl wouldn't just go on a hunt to try and revive her brothers when even a child can grasp the number 1 rule of Necromancy

It's bad

I don't even consider that a spoiler because it's legit the only circumstance where that could have happened

They died during the attack, she found their bodies and desperately tried to bring them back

Tho, there is more than that which I'm not telling

[warm gull]

again this begs the question is she just puppeteering her dead brother's corpses or is that something that they wanted to happen after they perished

[hybrid barn]

To be fair, even then, it seems like there was a point where she was having a bit of fun with it

[wheat walrus]

are the brothers we fight just more of a soul manifestation or do they get that one piece build and gigantism fr

[spare pier]

https://tenor.com/view/valhalla-persona-anime-cute-smile-gif-17239820

[dusk laurel]

One

[wheat walrus]

[hybrid barn]

Probably a side effect of desperate necromancy

[dusk laurel]

Piece

[spare pier]

I personally think their bodies just got changed over time yeah

And Necromancy consequence

[warm gull]

I hope cal's dialogue gets changed to not be so edgy especially about the reanimated corpses of her own family

[wheat walrus]

asking cause even compared to 9ft yharim and draedon they be huge

[light linden]

just realized

[wheat walrus]

erm that was my shtupid family... horrible innit

[spare pier]

It will be

[hybrid barn]

Particularly with the overbearing amount of power behind her spells, I can imagine there was a lot more energy being put into their corpses than they ever had in life

[warm gull]

yharim vs jake paul

[light linden]

is necromancy technically derived from Yharon's domain?

[spare pier]

Technically yeah, since it's inspired by how they could keep coming back

[light linden]

jake paul would either get snapped in half like a glowstick or ragdolled like gmod

[wheat walrus]

if this was broadcasted onto tv yharim would have fake armor and auric rejection and also hold back severely

[warm gull]

yharim is not in armor, but he's still 9ft tall and can definitely lift a car

[spare pier]

The scariest thing that could ever happen to you is being grabbed by Yharim

[light linden]

oh god

[wheat walrus]

so they can say that jake paul tanks auric rejection

[light linden]

y'all

I don't remember where I saw it but uh

[wheat walrus]

burns yo skin

[real silo]

Jake paul vs the actual fucking godseeker yharim

[wheat walrus]

breaks yo bones

[hybrid barn]

I feel like I'd be dead the moment he touched me, so the real scary part would be his approach leading up to him grabbing me

[light linden]

someone drew yharim if he was in skyrim

[spare pier]

Granted, I personally think Auric Rejection doesn't work like that when it's in constant contact with something

Like

[light linden]

and it was horrifying

[spare pier]

Auric Rejection releases one concentrated burst of energy that flings you away

If you remain in contact, it wouldn't keep releasing that same burst

[warm gull]

I feel like being grabbed is something that a lot of huge creatures/people in games just forget to do. instead they just slash at you and let you dodge etc when they could just pick you up and squeeze etc.

[real silo]

touching auric for long periods of time turns you into thanos

Actually no

The infinity gauntlet was made of auric

[hybrid barn]

Though, I imagine he could get around that by just rejection dribbling you

[light linden]

so what you're saying is that my auric bouncy box isn't canon?

[spare pier]

You'd feel one gigantic explosion of energy and following that you'd probably just be continuously zapped and burned

[spare pier]

I said constant contact

Not repeated

[light linden]

[wheat walrus]

sitting on something vs jumping on something

[real silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-gauntlet-endgame-avengers-transform-gif-14531890

[spare pier]

Yeah

[real silo]

Me putting on yharim's glove

[light linden]

actually

would teleporting onto auric even provoke a response?

[real silo]

splits in half

[spare pier]

You mean like, INSIDE Auric?

[light linden]

onto

inside would be death

[real silo]

try it ingame

[wheat walrus]

teleport ontop of a big brick of auric

[spare pier]

You'd just be rejected like normal

[light linden]

shame

[wheat walrus]

aw man thought I was gonna bypass it

[hybrid barn]

But yeah, definitely instant death, right?
Because from what I remember, the auric metal you use is weak stuff compared to the material of his armor, and that stuff deals 300 damage when it rejects you

[warm gull]

what if you just put a thin layer of rubber between yourself and the auric

[spare pier]

No, it's the same rejection

[hybrid barn]

Oh okay, fair

[spare pier]

What you do ingame is that

You pick up raw Auric Ore

[light linden]

oh god now I'm imagining auric boxing gloves

[hybrid barn]

So not instant death, it'd just really suck

[spare pier]

And make it stop rejecting you by fusing it with Yharon's Soul

Yharim is worthy so he doesn't need to make it stop rejecting

Therefore, anyone he touches is rejected into oblivion

[spare pier]

I mean, what happens when you put a layer of dirt between you and Auric?

[wheat walrus]

Yharim is the final counter to Bro™️

can't touch this

[warm gull]

so then why do you need to use yharon's soul to prevent it from rejecting you when you could just put auric plates on the outside of a full body undersuit

[light linden]

yharim prolly sucks at cqc now that I think about it

[spare pier]

See the thing with Terraria is that I just pull out the same explanation One Piece has about why Devil Fruits affect someone's clothes

They're just considered as part of you

[light linden]

since he can't keep a grip on opponents due to rejection

[spare pier]

Your armor is just considered as part of you, so if your armor touches Auric, it goes boom

[warm gull]

can you put a big chunk of auric on the end of a metal pipe and use it as a hammer without rejecting yourself?

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, I feel like I heard about something like this in another story, where it was a power that not only worked on you, but anything you genuinely consider to be your possessions

[spare pier]

Yeah, but how would you go around attaching the chunk of Auric on the metal pipe?

[wheat walrus]

tape

[warm gull]

use machinery or smth idk

[supple thunder]

steal yharim’s auric hammer

[wheat walrus]

does he have one

[spare pier]

Only way I can think of is fucking nailing the metal pipe into the chunk which would require a superb amount of energy and force because Auric is really hard

[warm gull]

as opposed to trying to forge the hammer with your own hand

just like

[wheat walrus]

yea we got anvils that can tank nukes here...

[hybrid barn]

Blossom hammer

[wheat walrus]

man

[spare pier]

And by that point you run into the problem of the metal pipe being a very flimsy support

[light linden]

btw rebecca

[spare pier]

At the end of the day, alternatively

[supple thunder]

what if it’s cosmilite

[sinful adder]

Melt the end of the pipe, or weld it

[supple thunder]

or luminite

[warm gull]

okay a solid metal rod would be better I just said pipe for funny

[light linden]

Was any inspiration taken from the mortal kombat games for any lore?

[wheat walrus]

Cosmic Anvil being the only thing standing after a 300 kiloton nuke exploded and flattened the city

[sinful adder]

I don't think so

[spare pier]

You may consider that Auric simply rejects anything that comes into contact with it and moves

[light linden]

it comically falls on whoever comes to investigate the crater

[wheat walrus]

lmao

[spare pier]

The problem with this is that it puts into question how you can fucking mine it but

Whatever

[hybrid barn]

Lorewise I imagine, or else it'd be impossible to mi-
Ah yup

[spare pier]

Granted, you could just say that

[wheat walrus]

auric rejecting an entire tectonic plate because it's moving (at like a few centimeters per year)

[spare pier]

Your character is strong enough to be able to still hold the pickaxe after it got rejected

Because it's the pickaxe getting rejected, not you

[hybrid barn]

Or hm...maybe there could be an exception for materials with deific influence?

[warm gull]

I prefer this I think to the auric somehow determining whether or not your armor is apart of you

[hybrid barn]

Honestly though, that'd also be cool

[spare pier]

So if someone could keep holding something after it got rejected, they could mine it

And even then

You could just say the pickaxe got flung away but you still slightly chipped it

So your character just

[real silo]

Make mining auric reduce your health

[light linden]

reminds me of how people walk while firing lmgs

[spare pier]

Kept going to get it back

[real silo]

What if they just have 1300 pickaxes

[obtuse crane]

does this suggest that you could mine auric with no pickaxe and no rejection if you were just built like that

[real silo]

What if they use DCU

[spare pier]

Hits Auric once
"Oops there goes my pickaxe"
Gets it aggain
Hits Auric once

[hybrid barn]

Also fair, it'd just be a matter of not getting your wrists broken when it flies away

[warm gull]

battle of attrition

[spare pier]

That one Dr Who episode

[supple thunder]

there should be a 1% chance of the pickaxe flying into your head and killing you instantly

[hybrid barn]

That could probably work as a FTW thing

[spare pier]

I mean, you'd still get rejected so

But, technically, yes

You could punch Auric and mine it if you could tank it and were strong enough to chip it

[supple thunder]

good idea

[warm gull]

oh shit you're right

punch the diamond

or iirc it was some other type of clear hard mineral

[wheat walrus]

yea

but why no Dr Why

[supple thunder]

rude

[wheat walrus]

Dr Why would be so serious man

[warm gull]

hahaha haha haha

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-flip-what-the-flip-gif-1686926213572154405

is bro crazy

gone insane

[dusk laurel]

Mayhaps

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-they-called-me-a-madman-infinity-war-madman-gif-13990981

this is daiquiri rn

they called them a madman

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-woah-xbox-one-breathtaking-gif-14309950

so wholesome man

[warm gull]

my name is

twenty

@wheat walrus what is a tradsigma

[wheat walrus]

idk

[spring helm]

feral child on the streets

her boxing the Brimstone Elemental was inevitable

Delinquent Calamitas

[warm gull]

calamitas was attending a troubled youth witch academy

[light linden]

ngl

I wonder what draedon will have made in a hundred years

[spring helm]

Neo Skeletron Prime

[warm gull]

I really disagree with the notion that draedon would never reach xeroc's power given infinite time tbh

[light linden]

I just imagined skeletron prime with mettaton's hair

kill me

[supple thunder]

ohh yess!

[wheat walrus]

I think with infinite time almost anyone can lol

[warm gull]

even if xeroc is the apex of possible power level in the universe, what stops draedon from just building a bunch of robots that are almost as or the same power as xeroc and just overwhelming him with a bunch of opponents that are nearly as strong?

[warm gull]

rebecca said that draedon with infinite time would never reach xeroc

[wheat walrus]

Odd, especially using "infinite time"

I would understand an extreme amount of time but yknow

Especially with how Draedon seemingly went from Mechs to Exo-Mechs within less than 100 years, I think it's doable even if it would most likely take even more than the Mechs to Exo-Mechs progression

[warm gull]

yeah that's my take as well

I'd like to see some elaboration for why drae could never reach xeroc ever at all

[spare pier]

I just think there are no possible breakthroughs he could come up with that'd make him get there

[warm gull]

that's fair I guess

It might be possible to just upscale technology as well though

[spare pier]

Auric is the strongest resource in the world and for the sake of simplicity likely of the entire universe, and he already made something that matches it. Even if he took thousands of years to make mechs that used a weird fucked up alloy of Auric + Exo Alloy + any random bullshit he'd find across the universe, sure it might be enough to withstand his attacks but Xeroc would still likely be able to wipe them with ease

[warm gull]

as in

cei said that the IRL sun is far, far more powerful than xeroc

[spare pier]

The next avenue would be to harness enough energy to somehow overpower Xeroc. The most obvious option would be harnessing the energy of the Sun, but little problem

[warm gull]

so what stops draedon from just building a giant beam weapon that is equivalent in power to the IRL sun and just lasering the fuck out of xeroc

[spare pier]

Xeroc controls Primordial Light

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, I guess it was expected that he'd eventually hit a ceiling that can't be broken through, but the explicit mention of that being the case makes me thing he'd be a fun pick for that "future bosses, but actually unique" idea, thinking about what he'd create once his research can no longer go upward

[sinful adder]

This makes sense

[hybrid barn]

Like, what would the peak of his resources, research, and technical capabilities look like? (no need to answer, this is just speculative)

[warm gull]

given infinite time, couldn't draedon simply use exo prisms and continuously create more and more batteries untim he has enough energy to power a weapon that can instantly vaporize xeroc?

[spare pier]

So Draedon would need to find a source of energy equal to the Sun that laid outside of Xeroc's control to be able to fight him, while Xeroc still wields a similarly powerful source. Basically, Draedon would need to somehow find a source of energy in the universe that went beyond even the Sun

[sinful adder]

I can think of a few ways Draedon might be able to get that strong but it's a stretch

Exo prisms seem to provide a relevant route

[warm gull]

not necessarily one source that is more potent than the sun, he could just use a lot of smaller sources

[sinful adder]

He might also be able to take yharon's entire soul

Fovos seems to have had some kind of power nearly as strong as xeroc in the past

That sounds like a good avenue to pursue

[spare pier]

I don't think he can increase the output of the Exo Prisms that drastically, and they're already imo the absolute ceiling of shit he can make, though not harness

Exo Prisms already breaks a law of thermodynamics so

[warm gull]

he doesn't need to increase their output is what I'm saying

he jusy needs to be able to store the power they do output

and given infinite time they will eventually generate enough power

[sinful adder]

I think people are saying that instead of making better exo prisms, he could just make more exo prisms

[warm gull]

you don't even need more

you can just use one and a lot of batteries

or one huge battery

[sinful adder]

That too

[spare pier]

The thing is I also think no material in the universe he could make could even conduct so much energy

Chances are it'd just melt

[sinful adder]

I would think that magic could handle moving energy without a need for physical contact

Teleportation seems possible

[spare pier]

Even if he were to store enough energy to create a beam that could instantly vaporize Xeroc, there's no material in the universe that could ever actually channel that much energy

[sinful adder]

But like

You don't need to?

[spare pier]

The only possibility would be if he made a bomb that stored all of it and detonated it on Xeroc, which might actually be feasible

[sinful adder]

I mean, maybe

[hybrid barn]

Though, I feel like there'd be a risk of vaporizing anything in his vicinity

[sinful adder]

Let me put it this way: no material in the universe can withstand the energy involved in a quasar jet, but they exist anyways because no physical medium is required to generate it

[spare pier]

Not really caring about that for this hypothetical

[sinful adder]

In real life, anyways

[spare pier]

Yeah but he'd need a physical medium to channel it

The thing is, he can make a quasar

But he can't pick the quasar and aim it at Xeroc

[sinful adder]

Well no not really, do you know how those work?

[spare pier]

I'm just making the comparison

[sinful adder]

They're magnetic, you can build a really big magnet

[warm gull]

couldn't he just use some sort of telekinetic magic or just like, magnets to control the quasar

or going with the bomb idea, that'd probably work as well

[sinful adder]

Yeah that's what I was saying. Many mechanisms don't require physical contact or proximity

[supple thunder]

do quasars even exist in this universe if all the other stars are just mana

instead of fusion balls

[sinful adder]

If the gravity god's essence is still out there, that would work too

[warm gull]

regardless of if they do, reb said he could create them

[spare pier]

No

It was a metaphore

[warm gull]

well, create an equivalent

[spare pier]

He can make all of the energy necessary to blast Xeroc instantly, but there's no contraption he can engineer that would allow him to actually concentrate all of that energy into a weapon because any conductive material would be instantly vaporized by the output put into it

[sinful adder]

Is the power Fovos wielded unique?

[spare pier]

This is raw energy we're talking about

[warm gull]

I feel like this kind of random thought experimentation is exactly the motivation that would lead draedon to kill xeroc lol

[spare pier]

So no magnets or gravity would really work for this case

[warm gull]

what do you mean

the energy is stored in batteries and generated by exo prisms

so it would be electric energy I think

[spare pier]

Again, I think the only reasonable avenue would be to concentrate all energy into a bomb and then explode it near Xeroc

But idk about bomb engineering enough to know if that's possible

The problem is entirely about moving all of the energy necessary to kill Xeroc TO Xeroc

[warm gull]

I think it's possible to simply make nukes that crush other nukes and etc. and that will compound all their explosions