#lore-discussion

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tall delta
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was there an auric dragon that tried to consume the auric soul of another one

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for power

warm gull
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yes

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dragon god

tall delta
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who

warm gull
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ask tringle

robust osprey
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probably

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I mean it have fucking lightning particles

frozen zodiac
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i touch auric and i do a half life scientist scream

cosmic zenith
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That's for his addon

tall delta
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oh yeah i remember

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the frost dragon ate auric souls and became a dragon god

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triangle is crazy for that

lethal heron
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Is shadowspec in general canon?

dusk laurel
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No, all of it is dedicated, which means it's not canon
Except for demonshade, that's getting moved to directly post-SCal after the rework

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Demonshade might remain as a dedicated armor set tho, so who knows really

lethal heron
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So is demonshade going to be made directly of ashes of annihilation and exoprisms?

dusk laurel
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No exoprisms

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Different armor is gonna use those

lethal heron
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Oh there already is exoprism armour

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I had no clue

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So all dedicated content is considered non canon?

dusk laurel
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Yah

light linden
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iirc it's not coming any time soon though

twilit heron
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Okay yall who the fuck is statis and why does he have a ninja belt

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But seriously I’m so confused on who statis is

mighty zenith
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the last living worshipper of slime god, one of yharim's strongest enemies alongside his boyfriend braelor

twilit heron
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Oh

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Wait if slime god is as ancient and powerful as the lore seems to imply how is he only pre-hard mode

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Like iirc doesn’t he pre-date the dragons themselves?

mighty zenith
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no

twilit heron
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Oh

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He is old asf tho right?

mighty zenith
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he's a god

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meaning he absorbed an auric soul

twilit heron
# mighty zenith he's a god

Yeah but I thought the lore said that he was unique in the fact that he was born a god, he didn’t become one

mighty zenith
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so he's probably pretty old but not THAT old

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no?

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thats never stated

twilit heron
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Sorry I get things confused, especially because I have my own mini-headcanon storyline that I use

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I’ll tell yall sometime maybe idk

mighty zenith
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all gods absorbed an auric soul

mighty zenith
twilit heron
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Also wtf is Silva doing

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Like

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Does she exist in anything other than the lore

mighty zenith
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she's kind of uh

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mutilated

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in the abyss

twilit heron
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But she’s still alive

mighty zenith
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kind of

twilit heron
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And she’s a dryad, correct?

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This is a bit of a stretch btw

mighty zenith
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she cant move or anything but technically alive

mighty zenith
twilit heron
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Dryads are made of plant matter. Combine that with the fact that she’s quite literally unkillable, couldn’t she theoretically reform?

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What I’m saying is, I feel very blue balled

mighty zenith
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yes she could

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the environment and state shes in makes that pretty hard tho

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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you technically do see her, planty mush is basically just parts of her

twilit heron
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The word I use is Celestial

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Basically a god, but a) much, MUCH stronger, and b) was born with the power, didn’t consume an auric soul

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Idk sorry I’m proud of my story

mighty zenith
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its ok

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sounds pretty neat

twilit heron
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I also have an actual theory that Draedon is trying to create an artificial god

mighty zenith
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yharim hints at the possibility
the issue is that theres no auric dragons left besides yharon

twilit heron
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Like ever notice that his machines get more and more alive?

mighty zenith
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in fact i think they get less and less alive

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the hallowed mechs are actual souls in robots fnaf style

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aureus was just for collecting scrap and got infected while exploring the astral

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PBG has had its life stripped away basically by becoming a cyborg weapon

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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and exos have no free will

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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the astral can infect mindless beings

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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in fact sapient creatures like humans can resist it

twilit heron
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Well damn

mighty zenith
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its more effective on plants and machines

twilit heron
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Eh still, I like my theory of Draedon is trying to create an artificial God

mighty zenith
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fair

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it is a cool idea

twilit heron
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In my story, actually, I kind of combine it with the vanilla lore of the mech bosses

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The specific god that Draedon is trying to replicate is Cthulhu

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He’s trying to recreate the eldritch horror itself

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And admittedly, that was born out of pettiness that Cthulhu isnt in calamity at all

mighty zenith
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lol

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i dont mind cthulhu being removed from cal lore because ultimately, calamity is a much more isolated story than vanilla terraria

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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it's a separate fantasy world so cthulhu not existing there is fair

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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meanwhile vanilla doesn't really care about its worldbuilding so it can just do whatever it feels like

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and if that includes cthulhu so be it

twilit heron
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It would take place inside of a living arena, the mech itself is codenamed Ouranos, and the arena is codenamed Gaea

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Because we already have some Greek mythology names

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For Draedon’s creations

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Wait I just realized do you think the Greek Gods exist in calamity or is it just a coincidence

mighty zenith
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coincidence most likely

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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iirc draedon never actually calls the exos by their greek god names

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so the terrarian gave them nicknames themselves

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which you can explain any way you want really

twilit heron
twilit heron
keen dock
twilit heron
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lol

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I need to write out my fanfic sometime

keen dock
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besides when we name things we know he don't like it, for example our name for miracle matter

keen dock
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idk but we made it first so he honors our name for it im pretty sure

twilit heron
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Huh-?

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Wait but

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He refuses to talk to you until after you’ve made an exo weapon

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Which means he’s made exo weapons

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Which means he’s made miracle matter

mighty zenith
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i forgot he does that

mighty zenith
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we stabilize it... somehow

twilit heron
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Plot armor

keen dock
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right there on the official wiki

twilit heron
keen dock
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lmaoooo

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is kirby now cannon /J

mighty zenith
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tbf the name referencing kirby 64 makes sense

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both miracle matters are hodgepodges of random bullshit

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that is somehow stable enough to exist

keen dock
twilit heron
keen dock
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lmaooo

twilit heron
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Like it was consistent damage

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But

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Not good damage

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Nice heals tho

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Also is Luxor’s gift good

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Ik wrong channel but im already here

keen dock
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fair

sinful adder
keen dock
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im not gonna pretend to understand draedon so take that one up with him lol

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or whoever writes his dialogue I guess

twilit heron
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Someone ping fab

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I’m sad that they’re gonna stop putting in as many references

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I like the Ultrakill guns

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Wait

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Hold on

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Does Minos Prime exist in the calamity universe?!?!?!

mighty zenith
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no

keen dock
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I find this comment from draedon on the mech trio so funny

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like this is some of the verbal side eye I've ever read

mighty zenith
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i love how much he hates the name skeletron prime specifically

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not the eye puns

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not the extremely simple and probably insulting "destroyer"

twilit heron
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Does Draedon know who Skeletron is?

keen dock
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ummm idk

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im still reading these

twilit heron
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Wait I just realized the lore thingies that bosses drop are Yharim’s words, right?

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Yharim calls the mechs by those names too

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This is literally the Terrarian and Yharim on the left and right, and Draedon in the middle

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With naming the mechs

mighty zenith
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its just the titles of the whispers

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which i dont think are his words

twilit heron
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PLEASE

mighty zenith
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no fun allowed

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sorry!

twilit heron
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I like the idea of Yharim and the Terrarian going out of their way to piss off Draedon

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By giving his creations funny nicknames

keen dock
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I find it interesting that both yharim and draedon seem to be pushing the terrarian towards becoming yharims equal and clashing

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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correct

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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why not

twilit heron
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Sorry this is my generic stare

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Can’t make it an emoji due to lack of nitro

keen dock
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oop-

twilit heron
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What it’s in your bio

keen dock
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that was just so out of nowhere sorry lol

twilit heron
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Welcome to my brain

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Random thoughts go brr

keen dock
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so real

twilit heron
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Anyways does Infernum have different lore than base calamity

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I think it does

keen dock
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idk

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I think its like trying to stick to calamity lore since its more about the difficulty and fights

twilit heron
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I think it implies that the calamitas clone is not a creation of Draedon’s. Infernum calls it the “Forgotten Shadow of Calamitas”

keen dock
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well sorta kinda

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calamitas did have a role in its creation whether she knew it or not

twilit heron
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Makes me think that the shadow is like some kind of physical manifestation of Calamitas’s sins and guilt

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Idk

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I look deep into things

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But

twilit heron
keen dock
cloud ibex
keen dock
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calamitas did influence the clone tho and seems to have been the one to make it a threat to us in the first place even if unintended

twilit heron
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Idk I don’t like that one, simply because like

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Why would Draedon want to recreate Calamitas

keen dock
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after she left yharim draedon was ordered to do so

twilit heron
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Yeah fair

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Idk I have a lot of theories but i don’t wanna say em all

keen dock
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that just sorta peaked his curiosity especially considering the first half of that shows that he was no longer yharims greatest asset with calamitas around, idk maybe he wanted to prove science was more powerful

twilit heron
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As I said before, I basically have an entire fanfic based on terraria and calamity

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So that means lots of theories

keen dock
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yeah

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theories are the fun part

mighty zenith
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wouldnt you want to be able to do that too

twilit heron
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Also what is Calamitas

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She’s not a god

keen dock
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tbh I sorta hope we never get answers to certain questions cause the theories are fun

twilit heron
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But she’s obviously not a regular mortal

mighty zenith
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she actually is

keen dock
mighty zenith
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she's a human

twilit heron
twilit heron
mighty zenith
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she just had... something happen when brimmy attacked her city

twilit heron
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MY HEADCANONS

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NOOOOO

mighty zenith
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its not clear yet but brimmy and scal have some sort of connection

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and scal gained some of brimmy's power

gritty kraken
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some

keen dock
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she is human and heck isn't even the best at magic acording to draedon but for whatever reason her brimstone is just hella powerful

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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again, its ambiguous rn

keen dock
mighty zenith
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either brimmy was weakened during or after the fight

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or scal just has much higher potential

keen dock
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plus years of war and experience fighting

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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remember that they fought when cal was like a little girl

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like early teens

mighty zenith
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when we fight her she's in her 20s

keen dock
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only action we know brimmy saw was buring a city to the ground

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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and went through much training under permafrost

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no shes not

twilit heron
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I coulda sworn she’s a couple centuries old

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Ah

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Guess I’m wrong

mighty zenith
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you may be mixing it up with old lore

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iirc she was centuries old then

gritty kraken
cloud ibex
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She’s a pretty normal human if you disregard her magical capabilities

mighty zenith
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but then again everyone was super old for some reason in old lore

keen dock
cloud ibex
mighty zenith
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i kind of do

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much of it is a blur to me

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(also much of it wasnt very consistent with itself)

keen dock
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sadly most of the old lore is lost to time since it was on the old fandom page I think which was basically wiped

mighty zenith
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a lot of it is probably in old messages here

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like
a majority of lore wasnt even in-game

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you had to scrounge through documents and discord messages

keen dock
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yeah but it don't matter these days and im lazy so i aint reading that lol

twilit heron
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Wait is this fkn true?

keen dock
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yeah

twilit heron
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Bruh

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Moon Lord is something else

keen dock
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until moonlord killed and injured a shit load of auric dragons people didn't know how powerful auric souls were once consumed nor were the dragons in a weak enough state to even think of killing them

twilit heron
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Is that how powerful Moon Lord with his legs is?!?!?!

keen dock
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then after that we all know what happened cause the dragons got massacred

keen dock
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but yeah depending on how you look at it everything is moonlord fault

mighty zenith
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the legs are the power source

twilit heron
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Maybe that’s what Draedon could be trying to replicate

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Moon Lord’s Legs

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He’s trying to complete the Moon Lord

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So he needs an infinite source of power

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Hence exo prisms

mighty zenith
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the issue being uh

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moon lord is dead

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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and before he was dead
he was stuck on the moon

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for centuries

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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almost everybody forgot about him

twilit heron
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Considering we fight the dude

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Wait

keen dock
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with him dead draedons next goal is now to mine the moon for new stuff

twilit heron
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What is Moon Lord

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He’s not a god

mighty zenith
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alien

twilit heron
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Right?

keen dock
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theres no answer really

mighty zenith
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we dont know what the fuck he is but
he is an alien

twilit heron
keen dock
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yeah an alien of some kind

mighty zenith
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gods in calamity arent defined by their strength necessarily

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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no

keen dock
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probably tbh considering the gods power comes from the souls of the dragons which combined still struggled to banish moonlord to the moon, not even fully kill him

mighty zenith
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there could be an entire civilization of moon lords

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we just dont know

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thats the fun part

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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calamity never leaves the planet (with some tiny exceptions)

keen dock
mighty zenith
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so you can speculate all you want

cosmic minnow
twilit heron
mighty zenith
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its also why im glad they scaled everything down from "ultra omega multiversal destruction in one punch"

cosmic minnow
mighty zenith
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when everything can destroy the planet

cosmic minnow
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Exactly

mighty zenith
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the stakes plummet

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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as far as we know, nobody is able to do that

twilit heron
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Isn’t Xeroc’s powers of destruction considered planetary?

mighty zenith
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except maybe noxus

cosmic minnow
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Xeroc I think (with much effort)

keen dock
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i mean does the whole plannet even matter given we can't see most of it anyways

mighty zenith
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xeroc isnt very destructive

keen dock
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what is the terrarian plannet even

mighty zenith
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xeroc is very powerful but not destructive

twilit heron
mighty zenith
cosmic minnow
mighty zenith
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separate stories outside of the heartlands (aka the continent where the game takes place)

keen dock
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so world ending stakes aren't much different to just destruction of a continent

mighty zenith
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its not like the destruction of the continent would be effortless

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something capable of wiping out an entire continent should be feared

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having like 20 creatures all able to destroy the planet just makes you wonder

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"how the fuck is the planet still here"

keen dock
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fr tho

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also the whole cuthulhu thing with moonlord made me read the vanilla lore and apparently it was joked that moonlord could be cuthulhu's borther named 'steve'

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I wish I was joking

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ngl calamity lore has some similarities here

cosmic minnow
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Would explain his powers

keen dock
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just replace the dryads with the dragons and it fits

keen dock
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or heck just add the dragons since from what we know the dragons were aided by monks once of which would betray zamteros and become xeroc

twilit heron
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I

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Am Steve

cosmic minnow
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No.

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Please don’t

twilit heron
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When I was young, I yearned for the mines

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Or something like that

untold oracle
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Draedor after the Terrarian defeats the final mech boss: ”Just you wait, Terrarian! These were only my Inferior Fabrications!”

cosmic minnow
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They butchered the best possible thing

twilit heron
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Yeah

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10 bucks says the ender dragon isn’t in it

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Or the wither

cosmic minnow
mighty zenith
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im not betting money on that shitstain of a movie

cosmic minnow
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I don’t even wanna pirate it

mighty zenith
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the way they handled it is just super disrespectful to the game and fanbase

twilit heron
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Also how the fuck does Steve only have one ender pearl

twilit heron
untold oracle
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But yeah it’s largely irredeemable

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”We need to minecraft”

twilit heron
keen dock
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wait did that movie come out already

twilit heron
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No

untold oracle
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No it comes out in april

keen dock
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god help us

twilit heron
keen dock
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also can I just comment on how mage ranger and melee have weapons that talk to you

keen dock
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as a summoner main I feel left out

untold oracle
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Wdym they talk

twilit heron
untold oracle
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Are you delusional

twilit heron
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Twin sister?

keen dock
# twilit heron ?

murasama has comments it makes as you defeat bosses when reading the tooltip

twilit heron
keen dock
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same with the mage gun in the planetoid lab

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ohhhh-

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damn..

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i liked that

twilit heron
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I play Infernum, so I don’t plag overhaul

pliant ruin
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calamity overhaul mentioned. initiating self destruct protocol

cosmic minnow
pliant ruin
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ty

twilit heron
pliant ruin
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:]

keen dock
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no but I liked the fish gun best halibert or something like that

cosmic minnow
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Where did you find that, I need Christmas cally

cosmic minnow
pliant ruin
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it was somewhere on twitter

twilit heron
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I need V1 fanart that isn’t ultrathicc

pliant ruin
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i dont have a twitter account but it was posted in a server i'm in and i thought it was cute

mighty zenith
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cheese!!!

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helo

pliant ruin
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hihi

cosmic minnow
keen dock
# cosmic minnow Halibut cannon

yeah and its a reference to a late youtuber so I loved that fact that in overhaul it like talked to you and you could get it early and let it progress with you

cosmic minnow
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Oh hell no

twilit heron
cosmic minnow
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ITS A DAMN SKINNY ROBOT

twilit heron
keen dock
cosmic minnow
twilit heron
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There’s a V1 version of it

twilit heron
cosmic minnow
keen dock
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shutupppp

keen dock
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they made plushiesss

pliant ruin
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does she like. know.

cosmic minnow
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Im gonna bleach my eyes

twilit heron
keen dock
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fucccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkk

pliant ruin
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overhaul is actually a rly scummy mod

twilit heron
cosmic minnow
keen dock
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wait huh

cosmic minnow
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I used to play it

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Until I found out about the errors and stolen code

pliant ruin
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it has a severe case of Stealing Assets

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ye

keen dock
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oh-

cosmic minnow
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And was like „hell nah fk this“

twilit heron
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I basically constantly play Infernum lol so I couldn’t use overhaul if I wanted to

keen dock
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wait from where

twilit heron
cosmic minnow
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i did 5 infernum runs

pliant ruin
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the uhm

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stars above is one ik

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they stole murasama from there

twilit heron
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-# wait have I even done a base calamity run-?

pliant ruin
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i think the overhaul murasama is like

keen dock
pliant ruin
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nu the code also

cosmic minnow
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Was better before the master changes, master death is pain

pliant ruin
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overhaul murasama is kind of an feral amalgamation (haha) of stolen shit

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idrm the exact details but as a whole its a rly disliked mod in the community for that and a few other reasons

calm patio
twilit heron
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I want a V1 body pillow Ngl

calm patio
pliant ruin
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oh yah those

twilit heron
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Or just a body pillow in general…

keen dock
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so real

twilit heron
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I love wotg

keen dock
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I have it downloaded but have yet to get to its content

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
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i love wotg

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its so cool

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i never played it but i watched gf play it and it was cool

twilit heron
pliant ruin
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twisted garden beloved

twilit heron
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Now the voice of a deity permeates

mighty zenith
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i know the creator so im forced to like it

pliant ruin
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lucille is based

mighty zenith
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(ive never played it

keen dock
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wowwww

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lol

pliant ruin
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ive never played it bc i never get past hardmode in calamity

twilit heron
mighty zenith
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im waiting for noxus to get reworked before trying it now

keen dock
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now I wanna remove overhaul tho but at the same time i DONT WANNA BRICK MY SAVE

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reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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inner turmoil intensifies

twilit heron
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What’s y’all’s favorite item in calamity

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Mine is Howl’s Heart

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My gf is a big Howl’s Moving Castle fan

twilit heron
pliant ruin
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my fav item is escargidolon snail because it's funny

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silly little guy

keen dock
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I was gonna say the repair unit pet but thats calamity vanities

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idk I find those little guys cute

pliant ruin
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no calamity items will ever beat the best terraria item ever tho (vanilla madoka vanity outfit)

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when i saw the travelling merchant selling it i got actually jumpscared bc i had no idea it existed

keen dock
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id say my favorite donor item would either be the yateveo bloom cause I like roses

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its just pretty

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i think its a bad weapon tho

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its melee so i'd never find out either way

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the price is another pretty flower donor item I like tho

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and I have used that one and its pretty good

gritty kraken
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Auric dragon of life in my headcanonz

pliant ruin
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oh wait right

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scarlet devil is a thing

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that ones up there

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not bc ive ever used it but because its a touhou refrence

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thats enough for me to like it

split mortar
keen dock
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aren't gods really just people who consumed the auric souls of dragons

split mortar
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Yes

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That’s the only way to be a god

keen dock
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so gods are really just manufactured power

split mortar
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Yeah

keen dock
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not a natural plane of existence

split mortar
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It was a quick way to get a lot of power

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So it was popular when the option popped up

keen dock
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greed led to the near extinction of an entire race

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go figure

split mortar
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Tbf it could also include other reasons

keen dock
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i swear humans ruin everything

split mortar
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Like the dragon just being a dickhead (flame) and the soul could shits be a extra bonus

keen dock
split mortar
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Or it being consensual

keen dock
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but some were murdered in cold blood

split mortar
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Yea

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But not all

keen dock
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either way humans just suck

split mortar
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More then just humans ascended

keen dock
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this is why I prefer the company of my dog most the time

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she wont just eat my soul (I think)

split mortar
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@twilit heron btw there’s a doc with all lore in the pins if you want to give that a read

twilit heron
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Ooooo

split mortar
twilit heron
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Funsies

keen dock
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ngl I want someone to like make it into a book, then print and bind it

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calamity bible there

split mortar
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The literal calamity lore book

sinful adder
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The dragons deliberately oppressed the humans and forced them to live underground except for a few they let live on the sky islands

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They made the sun too harsh for most life

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Their king, zeratros, did, I mean

split mortar
#

Well not all dragons may have agreed with that

split mortar
keen dock
#

even underground they managed to ruin and pollute the sulfurous seas

split mortar
sinful adder
#

Draedon specifically made it worse with nuclear stuff

split mortar
sinful adder
#

They made it slightly worse but not by that much

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Humans aren't all good or bad

keen dock
#

read the codebreaker diolouge draedon says they messed it up before draedon touched it

sinful adder
#

They just are

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I thought that meant it was naturally stinky

robust osprey
#

draedon have nothing to do with sulph sea??

sinful adder
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Because volcanic

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No, he does

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He dumped the nuclear waste there

split mortar
robust osprey
#

it's not that bad...

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he was just being silly....

split mortar
keen dock
#

but its always above the crags in hell cause the city that resided there was the first to pollute the area

split mortar
#

Seen with gunk zero in this

mighty zenith
#

me tossing car batteries into the ocean (its ok guys im charging the eels meowl)

sinful adder
#

The sulphuric sea is not that bad even now. Lots of creatures do just fine there

split mortar
#

It’s very fucked up but life likes to live and so can handle it

keen dock
gritty kraken
#

Silva just be making anything stay alive

robust osprey
#

silva carrying sulph sea

keen dock
#

no things worked before silva

split mortar
keen dock
#

silva just makes it easier

split mortar
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And azafure

keen dock
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the abyss doesn't have any pollution in it actually, the acid sea debuff doesn't happen there

sinful adder
#

Which spew sulphur and other toxic chemicals and boiling water naturally

keen dock
keen dock
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origin of life right there if you didn't know btw

sinful adder
#

Probably, yes

keen dock
#

okay cmon you don't gotta be technical and say probably like lemme have a little fun here, I know we will never know for sure but dammit I wanna be able to use my stupid bio history class for something

robust osprey
#

bio history class is ass

gritty kraken
#

primordial wyrm is stronger than John yharim right

robust osprey
#

who knows

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maybe not

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but yharim probably wouldnt win in a 1v1 anyways XD

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just beacuse jared is a bit too deep

keen dock
#

it counted as a history class without having to study boring war and more reasons to not like humanity

robust osprey
#

humanity is already hateable enough we dont need histiry for it

keen dock
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really tho

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this is why I spend most my time with my husky

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she's pure

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and innocent

sinful adder
#

Humanity is like at least half good, people just focus on all the bad a lot

solar wharf
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i really dont care if humanity is bad

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its either that or dying

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i'd rather live being part of a fucked species

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selfish ik, but lowkey

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i dont want my life to be gone

solar wharf
#

where humanity did so much bad

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because morality wasnt exactly advanced upon

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not that modern humans are good, they just do more good

sinful adder
#

Even back then, humans had a lot of good, it's just less notable as far as I understand

solar wharf
#

etc

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rn these are a lot a lot less common

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idk, this question always was brought to me

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if we were to find another sapient species

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would their history be similar to ours?

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or is this much bloodshed not normal

sinful adder
#

We have no idea, but we have reason to believe that it's a mix of everything, based on other intelligent species on earth

solar wharf
#

using earth as an example doesnt work

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because we evolved alongside them

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so we would share similar traits

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a completely different planet

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would lack it all

sinful adder
#

This is not necessarily true, because most animals this applies to evolved these things convergently

keen dock
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i mean dolphins will literally (triggger warning) ||gang r-pe|| female dolphins

pliant ruin
#

wut do dolphins have to do with this

solar wharf
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all species usually deal with a similar global issues

keen dock
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so I think its a curse of intelligence

solar wharf
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on a different planet

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it could become completely different

pliant ruin
#

I mean there's no real way to tell how life on another planet would be like

solar wharf
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its why its impossible to get an actual near accurate evolutionary history on anything that isnt earth

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because we lowkey

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dont know what could happen

sinful adder
#

No, these are different situations, and this is not true. The only same situations are "need food, avoid danger"

pliant ruin
#

yeah

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like

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life in other planets could function entirely differently

sinful adder
#

It is different enough that we can have reasonable certainty that the same underlying situations would occur at least sometimes

pliant ruin
#

theres no real way to tell

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atleast not until we theoretically actually find said life and manage to study it

sinful adder
#

Octopuses evolved eyes and brains completely independently from all vertebrates, and did so underwater, and they have similarities to human curiosity

pliant ruin
#

yeah but octopi and vertebrates still share a common ancestor, they're still eukaryotes

solar wharf
pliant ruin
#

life on alien planets could legit be nothing like life on earth

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and when i mean nothing like life on earth i mean like

solar wharf
pliant ruin
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nothing like life on earth

keen dock
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who knows how many planets maybe once had life but don't anymore as well

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I mena we were lucky to have ancestors that survived the great dying

sinful adder
#

All the relevant factors were evolved completely independently, they might as well be aliens. The factors you are describing would result in different systems, but even things that have a replacement for DNA would still convergently evolve behaviors similar to some earth animals

keen dock
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when stuff like that can happen it really is a miracle that we exist

gritty kraken
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Miracle

keen dock
#

look its damn near 4 am I couldn't be bothered about spelling

sinful adder
#

Chimpanzees have full on wars, orangutans sit around and eat and have sex with each other all day. Dolphins do that bad thing. Dogs sometimes adopt lost young. There's good and bad everywhere

keen dock
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also crap its almost 4 am I should sleep

sinful adder
#

Anyways. One more thing

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When extinction events happen, the stuff that survives did so because it was more resilient. Therefore, an event that kills off even 90% of all life is still less than halfway to killing off all life on earth, because that remaining 10% is massively more resilient

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So it is actually not surprising that at least some life has survived

solar wharf
pliant ruin
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well its not necessarily because they're more resilient, there's more factors than that

solar wharf
#

adaptable is a better word imo

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actually, i never fully grasped the definition of resilient, seen it be used in many different ways

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so that could be wrong

pliant ruin
#

there's also scientific basis for like

keen dock
#

a good measure isn't a percentage of life that died but how much of the biodiversity died

pliant ruin
#

species going extinct just because they unfortunatley got deal a bad hand

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like there are groups of animals that by all means should be adaptable enough to survive just as well as some other organisms, but they got unlucky.

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cambrian mass extinction is one of the best examples of this iirc

solar wharf
#

oh

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obviously luck is like

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a heavy factor into everything

pliant ruin
#

yah

sinful adder
pliant ruin
#

sometimes a mass extinction happens and u just end up being lucky enough to be on the area of the wrold thats least affected by it

solar wharf
tropic oak
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whatre we yapping about

solar wharf
#

we dont know if earth is the least habitable or the most

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life might be able to exist in planets much harsher

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or even only exist in planets much more habitable

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thats the issue

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we dont know shit

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its all just using earth as an example

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which doesnt work when we have none

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other than earth

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to use as an argument to talk about alien civilizations

keen dock
#

This isn’t even calamity lore

solar wharf
#

yes it is

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its eventually gonna reach

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into like

split mortar
solar wharf
#

yharim and shit

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you know

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trust me on this

pliant ruin
#

you see we're talking about evolution of life on earth which coincidentally ties in with how fishrons evolved from dragons

sinful adder
# solar wharf we dont even know what the capacity of life is

We know more than you think based on where we do and don't find life on earth, because there has been enough time for life on earth to adapt to every environment possible. There could be different systems for life that don't use DNA or carbon, but no other atom is capable of as much unique chemistry as carbon

solar wharf
#

exactly

solar wharf
#

we dont know what life could come in because the first life used carbon

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and evolution has a habit of keeping traits

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thru billions of years

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what says, this isnt one of them

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it'd make sense too

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cuz i imagine using a different molecule

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is like

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pretty hard....

sinful adder
#

That's not quite right. We know that carbon is the only atom capable of chemistry anything remotely like what life we know uses, so anything else would have to operate completely differently, and with much more limited survivable conditions

pliant ruin
#

silicon based life will be real in 5 seconds

solar wharf
pliant ruin
#

anyways this is sort of going into a broader topic bcuz what do you even like

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define as life

solar wharf
#

we dont even know

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the survivability of life

sinful adder
#

Evolution is the purest thing that life does

pliant ruin
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cuz like think abt it, if there were aliens that weren't made

solar wharf
#

you misunderstood

pliant ruin
#

of dna/carbon

solar wharf
#

what i sayd

pliant ruin
#

but clearly showed general signs of being alive

solar wharf
#

said*

pliant ruin
#

would they be classified as like. living??

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or would they. not be considered alive. bcuz they dont fit earths definition of life

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the funny part is that there's no answer

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for this

solar wharf
#

it would just be a case similar to viruses

#

idk if that was solved yet

pliant ruin
#

no matter how hard you think abt it its impossible to answer without actually going out there and seeing aliens

solar wharf
#

where it isnt classified

#

to be living

split mortar
solar wharf
#

or like an object either

sinful adder
solar wharf
#

didnt change*

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not need

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everything eventually would

solar wharf
#

if we were to recreate it all

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and make the enviroment harsher

#

would it still adapt?

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or would it die

sinful adder
solar wharf
#

obviously, when evolution heavily changed life to the point where it only can live on earth, no shit many ideas seem impossible. but what if said had more potential, it just didnt need it.

#

im very shitty at wording things

pliant ruin
#

high intellect lore discussion

sinful adder
# solar wharf i meant as in, one that didnt need to change, a complete seed

I think I get the general idea but I also think you misunderstand important details. There isn't really a single seed, per say. There would instead be a wide variety of different chemicals doing different things, and eventually some of those would combine in the right way to make a chain reaction of random RNA and other proteins forming, and eventually those would form all sorts of different random molecular machines, and eventually some of those machines would form cells. All of this happens via random chance. The exact way in which this happens could be different, but the general idea of "make something that self replicates and it will survive" is the same

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And the conditions required for that to happen chemically are the same

untold oracle
#

Hello everybody my name is back

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Wall of textmaxxing

pliant ruin
#

hi deltaw

sinful adder
#

It is true that we don't know for sure

pliant ruin
#

i saw ur ping yesterday but i was sleepytired barely awake so i didnt see the new doc

untold oracle
#

Hai cheas

sinful adder
#

But it is wrong that we have no clue

gritty kraken
untold oracle
pliant ruin
#

eat sleep game sleep sleep sleep eat sleep repeat

mighty zenith
#

woahoaoaoahoaoh story of calamity

serene tundra
pliant ruin
#

talking about eat i'm currently hungry

serene tundra
#

ARGHHG

untold oracle
#

You should hydrate

gritty kraken
#

Watr

split mortar
gritty kraken
#

e

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
#

chat

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what ifi bought like

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a car

mighty zenith
#

ill steal it

pliant ruin
#

why would u do that

#

so mean

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

hungr

split mortar
gritty kraken
#

buy rat

mighty zenith
#

rat are friend not food

serene tundra
solar wharf
# sinful adder I think I get the general idea but I also think you misunderstand important deta...

i understand, called it seed to heavily simplify it, my point is evolution specializes things, speciailization is the reason why we cant use earth as an example... because they are specialized for earth, if all of these chemicals, were placed into a different planet. completely, we wouldnt know if they would actually form RNA and continue on, or not. we guess using earth as an example but it never is as reliable. thats my point

sinful adder
solar wharf
#

we do not know how life works

sinful adder
#

A different definition of life requires a different chemical mechanism. We have done experiments for this and have not found any others.

#

There could be others, but they must be rare

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Or very specific

solar wharf
#

so experiments arent good or reliable

#

thats how it has always been with science anyway

#

especially when its billions of years

sinful adder
#

I don't see what you mean by a lack of understanding of how it works. We know the rules of chemistry, we see how life as we know it operates, and how the different molecules do different things. We do not know every detail, but we understand the underlying mechanisms

solar wharf
#

its all theories

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unless that was discovered...

#

especially when you consider the fact

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we are, as human beings

#

unable to recreate it

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cloning is different obviously

#

as that uses an organic matter

#

all of our technology that can create life, uses organic matter

#

we dont know how inorganic matter became alive

#

thats the issue

#

we cannot recreate it

#

we can only theorize and guess

solar wharf
#

i just dont like making them objective

sinful adder
#

That part is true

#

Well, we have gotten carbon and other trace elements in hot water and gotten them to form some of amino acids, we just haven't seen those combine to form RNA or something similar

fierce pagoda
#

So basically nano machines arent alive

robust osprey
#

I mean theyre machines

split mortar
#

Auric doesn’t care and nukes em anyways

robust osprey
#

auric rejects anything that produces shadow clueless

fierce pagoda
#

Auric rejects anything with an intent to touch it, wether intentional or not.

#

Thats why golfballs get affected too, cuz flying towards auric at 100 kilometers per hour is an intent to touch it, wether the ball is sentient to mean it or not

frozen zodiac
#

if i picked up the golf ball after that would i get zapped

fierce pagoda
#

No i dont think so? Unless residual auric ore got on it

#

That makes me think how much auric is needed to send you flying

split mortar
untold oracle
untold oracle
#

Would you just violently explode?

#

Or just get a massive zap and die

faint plank
#

implosion

spring helm
#

Allergic reaction but auric

fierce pagoda
untold oracle
#

I think honestly miracle fruit and elderberry could have a new ”why you can’t use this twice” text

split mortar
split mortar
fierce pagoda
#

I remember a Dev saying that they wish to place the dragonfruit in the aerie

untold oracle
fierce pagoda
#

woudlnt elderberry just turn you old as hell

#

and then youd die

split mortar
#

That’s what it does already

untold oracle
#

I was referring to elderberry and miracle fruit

#

Bad wording moment

split mortar
#

Says blood orange and dragon fruit
Means they other two fruits

fierce pagoda
#

"You have already consumed a Miracle Fruit. It would take a miracle to put you back together if you ate another."

#

it just implies that you would blow up

split mortar
#

Pfft oh wait yeah

untold oracle
#

Elderberry is fine enough if you turn super old but miracle fruit literally is just ”it would take a miracle to put you back together” (get it???)

split mortar
#

I just thought you would fall apart like a Lego guy dying

gritty kraken
split mortar
#

Miracle fruit lets you harness the raw power of a c4 planted to your chest (+25 maxhp)

fierce pagoda
#

I wish we had lore on what exactly the fruits do

untold oracle
#

Would be cool if it said like ”the growth would consume you if you ate another”

fierce pagoda
#

like i heard that elderberry puts you at your prime age

#

thats cool as hell

split mortar
untold oracle
#

Yharim eats one and nothing happens (he is in his prime)

fierce pagoda
#

Wow that would be an aura moment

#

why did i call it that

untold oracle
split mortar
gritty kraken
frozen zodiac
#

will yharim drop any materials when we kill him

fierce pagoda
#

Yharim stone

split mortar
fierce pagoda
#

no sorry, Yharim crystals

frozen zodiac
#

and how will refighting him work is it just gonna be like "Illusory Yharim" like the zelda dlc

split mortar
fierce pagoda
#

it will be the same as any other boss i guess

fierce pagoda
#

you just summon him and fight him

#

I guess Scals refights are canon

split mortar
#

Yeah they are

fierce pagoda
#

her dialouge seems to imply so

split mortar
#

Her dialogue is outdated

fierce pagoda
#

and i guess you could make a case for monsters which we know there are many of

split mortar
#

Dragon folly and queen bee are also canon

fierce pagoda
#

Dragon folly is canon?

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i thought like we fought the strongest one

#

and thus we cant really rematch the strongest folly

split mortar
#

Which is why folly being post ml is wack

fierce pagoda
#

unless you mean to tell me that we have several post-moonlord threats just looming in the jungle

split mortar
#

Yeah

fierce pagoda
#

are eidolon wyrms post ML strength?

split mortar
#

We dunno

#

They miniboss so we don’t know how strong they stand

fierce pagoda
#

they are intented to be fought after him though

split mortar
#

Yeah

fierce pagoda
#

but an abyss dragon being stronger than moonlord is alright

#

its already known you must be really strong to live there

split mortar
fierce pagoda
#

and they are localized in the abyss,

#

yeah

#

but Dragonfolly is kinda crazy

#

thats why i just assumed the one we fight is a mutant, or a genetic wonder of a dragonfolly

split mortar
#

iirc a wyrm was said to be like
Plantera level a while ago but it may be wrong

fierce pagoda
#

the rest are weaker, but the one we fight is the strongest

split mortar
#

IIRC yeah

fierce pagoda
#

do you remember who

#

i want to try and look for it

split mortar
#

Previous messages says it’s Rebecca so they may be who said it

#

Though stip said they disagreed with that when I was looking so maybe it’s undecided

fierce pagoda
#

well, its explicitly stated in the Bestiary so it has to be canon for now

#

that they are auric dragon tier

split mortar
#

^
This maybe?

split mortar
fierce pagoda
#

wait a minute you said the abyss dragon

#

i thought you meant wyrms

#

like i thought abyss dragon was just a fancy term for an eidolon wyrm

#

is the abyss dragon something else?

split mortar
#

No
What I thought you was asking for was wyrm being equal to plant

fierce pagoda
#

oh no yeah that was what i was asking for

spring helm
#

I’m so lost

split mortar
fierce pagoda
split mortar
#

Ah

spring helm
#

What dragons are you talking about

fierce pagoda
#

its canon that eidolon wyrms are equal, so it cant be undecided

#

that was what i meant

spring helm
#

Plantera’s about as strong as the average auric dragon that’s crazy

fierce pagoda
#

Cryogen is stronger than some auric dragons

#

and that is just a construct Scal threw together lmao

split mortar
#

Actually may be plague bringer level?

spring helm
#

Abyss breath?

fierce pagoda
#

hey look at that

#

i assumed correctly

spare pier
#

I mean you can go and see How strong Eidolon Wyrms are

#

I was just guessing at what tier they are reasonably killable

fierce pagoda
#

So the thing about Dragonfollys

#

not every single one is a post-ML threat right?

split mortar
split mortar
fierce pagoda
#

well i guess it still depends on the average strength of Follies

#

what if like a good chunk of them are only a bit weaker than ML

#

that would still be crazy

untold oracle
#

How can it be that a draconic offshoot is tiered higher than the being that led to the downfall of the real auric dragons clueless

spare pier
#

To be fair there has floated around a possibility of Dragonfolly becoming an event but idk if that's happening

fierce pagoda
#

I mean in the end the dragons won though

pliant ruin
visual bane
#

to be fair that just shows how much ml was weakened

pliant ruin
#

JOPGMKLWA

#

G[KMLA

#

please.i beg

pliant ruin
#

i twould be so cool

visual bane
#

murder of follies

untold oracle
#

It is official, cheese got a stroke PensiveCore

fierce pagoda
#

A Bumble of dragonfollies

pliant ruin
#

make the current folly the boss of the event,,,, it would be so cool

spare pier
#

The problem with that is what the fuck there would even be in the event because there being a bunch of weird extra Follies just doesn't work imo

pliant ruin
#

The prey of dragonfollies,,, giant BUGS

#

they have awoken

#

so the follies go on a feeding frenzy

visual bane
#

ml is dead and now follies are no longer scared of it

pliant ruin
#

You could call it the tropical murder event (get it bc... murder.... murder = killing, like the folly preys being killed, but also murder = swarm of crows and dragonfollies r very birdlike)

deft vessel
#

Tbh it would make sense if there were like three follies you fight at once

pliant ruin
#

i doubt ml is scaring any follies away

#

its on the moon and i doubt they're like

pliant ruin
#

cognitive enough to be scared of him anyways

wheat walrus
visual bane
#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

pliant ruin
#

genuinely a folly event would be so peak 🥹

untold oracle
pliant ruin
#

feeding frenzy,,,

wheat walrus
#

The armies of folly

pliant ruin
#

AND LIKE

#

OK

#

going off my idea

visual bane
pliant ruin
#

that the event would happen bc folly's prey items (a bunch of giant bugs and such) have awoken/are migrating/whatever and thus they're going on a feeding frenzy
exotic pheromones as a summon tool would make even more sense

#

ur using the pheromones to attract the giant bug creatures

#

which in turn attracts the follies

#

:plumgu:

deft vessel
#

I could see that

wheat walrus
#

could be cool

untold oracle
#

Peam

spare pier
#

At the end of the day even if it isn't an event I'd like for Folly itself to have a fight where it's instead throwing a bunch of other, smaller Follys at you

wheat walrus
visual bane
#

desert scourge post ml version

spare pier
#

So the fight isn't against Dragonfolly, it's against a whole ass pack of them

visual bane
pliant ruin
#

that would be based

frozen zodiac
#

⚠️ You have alerted the horde!
Here they come...

wheat walrus
pliant ruin
#

god this genuinely has made me so happy even if its not guaranteed to happen dragonfolly event is smth me and azzy have been talking about for ages vbma,bvmn,asbvsa

#

just the possibility :>>>

deft vessel
#

Then you would be in the thick of it

visual bane
#

cheese thoughts on bumbledoge

pliant ruin
#

bumbledoge is very evil and amlicious

visual bane
fierce pagoda
#

mango

wheat walrus
#

mango mango mango

visual bane
#

why