lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

dead gun

[pliant ruin]

mew

[faint plank]

mreow

[split mortar]

Nuh uh, ill gun

Omni gave me a terminal case of illness

[dusk laurel]

Which illness is it

[faint plank]

fungi

[dusk laurel]

Miau

[pliant ruin]

nya~

[faint plank]

🏇 💵

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/illness-got-me-gif-11279252

[faint plank]

ill take the loot

[dusk laurel]

We have to heal him

[dusk laurel]

Un-illing you*

[faint plank]

:°

[pliant ruin]

i'm low energy, bored and tired :(

[split mortar]

The. Discuss yuri

[dusk laurel]

Madoka Magica

[wheat walrus]

Calculate yuri

[pliant ruin]

there will be yuri in reign of yharim

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

BaSed

Bazed

Based

Alright

[faint plank]

lesbian warcrimes

[pliant ruin]

thts just homura

[split mortar]

Will there be profaned guardians or providence mentioned?

[pliant ruin]

they'll be part of the game

[dusk laurel]

I think my fatigue is gone

[pliant ruin]

all cal bosses or relevant characters will be

[split mortar]

Then yes yuri will exist

[pliant ruin]

bandit is not a relevant character

nor is drunk princess

[dusk laurel]

Will there be profaned people

[pliant ruin]

thjere will be 3000 scorn eaters

attacking you

all at once

and killing you instantly

[dusk laurel]

[light linden]

god I hate the profaned enemies

[dusk laurel]

I love getting nuked by Scorn Eater

[split mortar]

Ah just like the real thing once you look at a Zerg

[faint plank]

:(

[pliant ruin]

other than those there will also be yuri

reign of yharim certified original yuri

[split mortar]

Yoooo

[dusk laurel]

I can't wait to play the game in 20 Fargo minutes

[pliant ruin]

lore

i should add fargo points to reign of yharim

[split mortar]

Be careful, people using their fucked up maths will decide how long that is

[dusk laurel]

Gulp

SG being possibly a femboy is funny to think about

How did he kill a dragon

[pliant ruin]

twinkdeath

from femboy to sludge

[split mortar]

Nah in the slimegod core there is a secret hidden slime femboy inside trust

[faint plank]

its me

[split mortar]

No you are too cringe

[sinful adder]

It was a really weak dragon

[faint plank]

-# :(

[dusk laurel]

😨

[cobalt sand]

Gluttony dragon really wanted to taste that femboy and was vulnerable because of it

[pliant ruin]

who's to say a femboy can't kill a dragon smh

[sinful adder]

Specifically, a lazy fat fuck

[pliant ruin]

this is clearly discrimination against femboys

its like

femboycism

[dusk laurel]

I clearly am in the wrong

[thorn sun]

-# didn't mango reveal how he ascended?

[pliant ruin]

Unironically i think this might be what happened

I remember like

[split mortar]

Eat from the inside I think

[dusk laurel]

I apologize to all femboys in terraria

[pliant ruin]

Plans (Which might have been scrapped but still) that mango revealed yeah that gluttony guy was killed from inside

The eaten part was

a miscommunication

i think

[cobalt sand]

Fitting

[dusk laurel]

The gluttonous gets eaten

[thorn sun]

its so disturbing i like it

i hope they go along with that

[pliant ruin]

i don't like

the eaten from inside thing

i think it's way too much

killed ffrom inside is fine

but eaten from inside is like

[cobalt sand]

The "Killing a great beast from the inside" trope is weirdly common though

[faint plank]

kratos type shit

[pliant ruin]

that's way too brutal for a terraria mod tbh i'm sorry

eaten, i mean

killed, as i said, i think is perfectly fine

it's a fairly common trope

[thorn sun]

i like to think slime god was like melting inside or something and thats why he became more sluggish

[lapis coral]

E

[thorn sun]

but idk how appearance work when turning into gods

[cobalt sand]

That's disturbing

[pliant ruin]

Auric soul induced twinkdeath

[cobalt sand]

Still fitting though, but most people would've already drawn the line before that

[manic coral]

Personally I'd prefer for how each person claimed an auric soul specifically to be vague aside from a very few

I think it works much better if it's left unclear since it lets you have some more interpertations about said deities

[pliant ruin]

I somewhat agree yeah it's good to keep some things vague

[light linden]

one thing I don't get though

I imagine some gods would've made their fights seem like legends of old to make sure it was remembered in a positive light

especially ones with egos

[manic coral]

It lets you personally interpert if it was more on the willing side or if they were just plain out for blood and power, which is something I've always like about Morrowwind and how the motivations and methods behind the Tribunal gaining their own divinity

[pliant ruin]

I feel like you can reasonably deduce that based on a god's personality and motivations

[manic coral]

Yeah

More or less

[pliant ruin]

Like

I think i think it's reasonable that Otonilou's ascencion was consensual

meanwhile Providence uhhh yeah self explanatory. wek now that much

[manic coral]

yeah

[light linden]

otonilou?

[manic coral]

Xeroc, Silva, and Otonilou's are the only ones I want to actually explain

[pliant ruin]

Goddess of electricity

[sinful adder]

Interesting

[dusk laurel]

Goddess of Electricity

[pliant ruin]

Lived in the sunken sea but was fried

[manic coral]

Silva mostly becuase I think her's would be too confusing if left vague

[pliant ruin]

Was one of the undoubtedly benevolent gods

[split mortar]

Don’t we also know providence to some degree

[light linden]

personally I just wanna know how many dragons there were

[pliant ruin]

alot

[dusk laurel]

A lot

[split mortar]

Hundreds minimum I think

[magic epoch]

i love cal character design

[light linden]

a specific number

[split mortar]

Same

[pliant ruin]

367

I just made that up btw

[magic epoch]

my guess is in the thousands idk!

[split mortar]

We prob won’t know

[manic coral]

Like seriously if any of you ever want to gain a bit more insight into where a lot of the ideas in Cla came from and how I think about its world kinda

[light linden]

like naming them all and what not isn't needed

[manic coral]

Play or at least learn about Morrowind

[magic epoch]

yeah that's jerry

the auric dragon of shit

[light linden]

some names are lost to history no matter how mighty they were

[manic coral]

I'd personally say, like, I imagine a few thousand

[light linden]

actually we might get more info whenever the aerie comes out

[pliant ruin]

auric dragon of listening to anxiety inducing songs at 9 pm

[magic epoch]

my guess is like mid thousands, like 3000-7000 or so

[split mortar]

Dragon of the start of the weekend > god of the start of the week/mondays

[manic coral]

It's not my favorite game definitly but It's absolutely one of my favorites

[pliant ruin]

god of low quality youtube intros

[light linden]

what's morrowind?

[split mortar]

Dragon of clickbait

[pliant ruin]

elder scrolls bideogame

[split mortar]

Game

[light linden]

oh

[manic coral]

The Elder Scrolls III

And, at least in my own opinion

Definitly the best

Though I'm not a person to rag on oblivion and skyrim

I think they are perfetcly fine 7/10 games

[magic epoch]

i have amazing memories of skyrim

[manic coral]

I just think Morrowind, despite some dated mechanics, and while definitly worse in some aspects

Does a lot better in most

I think the melee combat is wya more engaging

spell crating is in Morrowind

You cna make your own spells

[light linden]

wait is it the one with the dagoth guy?

[manic coral]

Which is soemthing that was a lore more limited and harder to do in Oblivion and nonexistant in Skyrim

[magic epoch]

cei do you need sleep

[manic coral]

I think the writing is better in part because

Yeah

Dagoth Ur

[manic coral]

No this is just how I type when i dont feel like putting in effort

[magic epoch]

ah

fair

[manic coral]

I put all of my writing effort into cal and my other project

i dont have any left for casual conversation

But yeah Dagoth Ur is the direct inspiration for Yharim

[pliant ruin]

you can tell when i'm about to pass out from sleepy because i'll start typing like

likjt thjs

ikl grt evrything wrojng

[split mortar]

Cheese living up to their title

[pliant ruin]

note: not passing out rn it was a demonstration

[hoary berry]

this is just me whenever i type on my phone

which i'm sure melon can attest to

[manic coral]

the funniest thing about dagoth ur is that very male dark elf sounds like they've been living in a volcano for 300 years, except for dagoth ur, the one who's been living in a volcano for 300 years.

[dusk laurel]

He will be baked

[pliant ruin]

when i'm about to pass out i can't see my phone keys well so i type all the stuff wrong and thats why it yopre like thgis

[split mortar]

Bit weird, would assume that would affect them

[hoary berry]

i just
suck at typing on phones

[split mortar]

We know

[dusk laurel]

I used to type my "th- words" like tgsi

Or tgta

[split mortar]

I just make horrendous typos no matter what

[spring helm]

[manic coral]

well im glad he doesnt because his voice is immaculate

[split mortar]

Will there be potions

[pliant ruin]

no

[hoary berry]

no featherfall

[pliant ruin]

potions are dead i ate them all

[spring helm]

ated all potions side effect: eepy

[dusk laurel]

Can I chug a bottle of liquor in RoY

[pliant ruin]

yes

this is not a joke

[dusk laurel]

I don't drink so that isn't an issue

[light linden]

speaking of liquor

[split mortar]

Make us able to drink bleach, have it just fucking kill you idk

[light linden]

do y'all use the drunk princess drinks at all?

[pliant ruin]

yes

all the time

i love em

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[split mortar]

They’re pretty good supposedly but no

[hoary berry]

moonshine my beloved

i love my bulky loadouts

it's perfect for them

[light linden]

I've never tried any of them

[spring helm]

i can't believe RoY will tackle the issue of alcohol addition. The devs really thought of everything.

[pliant ruin]

i use exclusively the ones that reduce defensive stats but increase mobility or offensive ones

[spring helm]

okay this one i dont know

[split mortar]

Cheese a alchoholic?

[pliant ruin]

no im not an alcoholic

i only drink sometimes

[split mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646467026948456458/1058960808865964082/feel_that_thats_glue.gif

[calm patio]

dagoth ur being one the cooler villians of the elder scrolls series

[manic coral]

i mean

can you name a better one

[light linden]

does paarthunax count as one?

[calm patio]

i wouldnt count him as one, iirc he did serve with alduin(worse villian )

[light linden]

My favorite antagonist in TES is Hermaous Mora though

[hot valve]

Moonshine

red wine

Haven’t used any others

[sinful adder]

I've used one or two but I can't remember which

[frank dune]

Hello everyone

Lore question

Are blood moon enemies canon?

Fish ones

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

[vale kayak]

is yharon canonically immortal? given that the boss name for yharon contains "resplendent phoenix" and phoenix's in folklore are immortal creatures that emerge from their own ashes
does this mean that the pet item is just a rebirth of yharon and thats what baby jungle dragons in the calamity universe look like?

[tall delta]

not really

[cosmic zenith]

Yharon will rebirth upon being killed

[tall delta]

yeah he can come back

[cosmic zenith]

The only way to permanently kill Yharon is to destroy or absorb his Auric soul

The pet item is not canon, as it is a dedicated item

[spring helm]

so is Yharon reviving something automatic for him or does he have to do it intentionally

[cosmic zenith]

Automatic

[spring helm]

not for the other auric dragons though?

[cosmic zenith]

It's less automatic, though unclear how exactly it works

[tall delta]

wondering how a rebirth of a god would work

[light linden]

I'm wondering why lava sped up yharon's rebirth

[dusk laurel]

Heat

Makes things hatch quicker afaik

[light linden]

yeah but that seems a little too simple

also lava would sooner boil and egg than let it hatch faster

[dusk laurel]

I doubt Yharon's egg was normal

[light linden]

maybe I'm over thinking it

[dusk laurel]

And also it might've been a thing where it was already close to hatching

[rotund shore]

Random out of pocket lore question to fit with the day: I know pumpkin moon isn’t canon, but like, is Halloween a celebrated thing in this universe?

[cobalt sand]

It's not

[rotund shore]

Understandable

[light linden]

tbf things don't exactly seem friendly for most holidays

[cosmic zenith]

How so

[brave fable]

which yt vid / vid series best explains the lore in detail

[cosmic zenith]

Would you prefer listing the countless items and features that would be decanonized instead

[hot valve]

I’m pretty the ‘it’s not’ meant to be in response to courier

Asking if Halloween was canon

Also, out of curiosity, what’s wrong the pumpkin moon that caused it to be decanonized?

[cobalt sand]

It was indeed in response to Courier user

[brave fable]

hi guys does anyone know

[hot valve]

Don’t know any video, sorry

[rotund shore]

Best way to learn it is just read lore doc tbh

I haven’t heard of any good video

[brave fable]

ohh alright

thank you guys

thats helpful

[real silo]

There is one channel that covers lore

[brave fable]

which doc? im new to this serverr

[real silo]

Midnight minute I think

[rotund shore]

It’s in the pins of this channel

[cosmic zenith]

Halloween isn't really canon
Also, how would you explain it

[brave fable]

thank you guy

[brave fable]

which one

[cosmic zenith]

.

I do know of a lore video, but I dunno how to get it fast

[brave fable]

aight

[hot valve]

What’s wrong with Halloween conceptually? I can understand the potential Christianity complications of Christmas but is there something about Halloween that makes this a problem?

[cobalt sand]

I mean Halloween is Christianity as well

[hot valve]

It is???

[cobalt sand]

All Hallows Eve

It's been turned into spooky season over the ages though

[cosmic zenith]

If you take off the Christianity complications, it's mostly some gameplay complications surrounding the Pumpkin Moon and the Goodie Bags

[rotund shore]

Goodie bags has so many pop culture references in them which just don’t make sense

Nor do enemies dropping them make sense

[cobalt sand]

Exact reason why Solar Eclipse enemies aren't canon too

[rotund shore]

Solar eclipse is literally just classic horror movies: the event

[brave fable]

guys where did dm dokuro go i look at all the dates of his tracks and its something like 6 years ago

[dusk laurel]

He left

[manic coral]

he just stopped making music for calamity

[hot valve]

You could like maybe make up something about invoking the wrath of some spooky dressed fiends of the night but I can see why the easier, more favourable path that would line up better with lore is just out right… not deal with it

[manic coral]

dude still makes music, though

[brave fable]

ohh ok

[manic coral]

should check it out

[brave fable]

yea i will

[hot valve]

Tbh I didn’t know that but since they’re like 90% references that isn’t surprising

[cosmic zenith]

The Moon change definitely doesn't help much

[brave fable]

when i beat the dog i was surprised that was goood

[hot valve]

Yeah okay that’s definitely fair LOL

[cobalt sand]

They could certainly make lore for Eclipse, but it'd be convoluted so its perfectly understandable why they aren't

[rotund shore]

Are any solar eclipse enemies not a pop culture reference?
I dunno what eyezor is based on if anything

[tropic oak]

is that venus my goat

[manic coral]

yeah i myself think it's best to just

[hot valve]

Vampire

[manic coral]

ignore it

[hot valve]

I think

It’s literally just a vampire

[cosmic zenith]

Solar Eclipse could be explained by saying the mobs take up the forms of people's nightmares
But eh

[hot valve]

Hm maybe

[rotund shore]

Vampires in this appearance is definitely a form of pop culture, this tropey design is definitely from more modern media

[cosmic zenith]

The symbolism of it is a lot more relevant than the event itself

[devout grotto]

<- Glass Structure salesperson

Please listen to Glass Structure y'all 🙏🏼

[rotund shore]

I think eclipse is a rad concept but doesn’t fit into a proper story

[devout grotto]

Yeah

The main reason why I wanna come up with a recipe for the Horseman's Blade tbh

[rotund shore]

Being hoarded by a shit ton of horror monsters with mothra as a mini boss is just, fun

And has a stellar song to go with it

[cobalt sand]

Vampires are explicitly Brahm Stoker's version of Dracula

I think

[hot valve]

I‘d have to ask my roommate (expert on vampire history) about if the terraria vampire is closer to folklore or not

Oh interesting

[rotund shore]

Genuinely like, eclipses theme is what I wish pumpkin moons theme was

[hot valve]

I mean I don’t know if this is tested but I think the vampire can certainly let itself in to my damn Npc houses

[rotund shore]

I’m so sad pumpkin moon has a mid song when frost moon is so good

[hot valve]

Honestly same

[cobalt sand]

funky

[dusk laurel]

Acid Rain themes will be hype

[rotund shore]

Frost moon so cleanly remixes generic Christmas music sounds into something that honestly just rules

[devout grotto]

Wait fuck I was thinking of Pumpkin Moon this whole time 💀

[tropic oak]

spooky wood and pumkins

lol ez!

[rotund shore]

And yeah I love the two moon events but for an actual story, they make no sense

[tropic oak]

i mean

[rotund shore]

Having the moon suddenly change causing a robot Santa or pumpkin guys appearing is just, like, absurd

[tropic oak]

they could make sense

you just have to give it some thought

[cobalt sand]

I mean Santa IS canon in vanilla terraria

[tropic oak]

true.

[cobalt sand]

So

Idk

[cosmic zenith]

How?

[rotund shore]

Yeah but why is there evil robot Santa tank

[tropic oak]

i mean

[tropic oak]

just think about it

holiday spirit and all of that junk

im not going to come up with an

[hot valve]

Can you…elaborate

[tropic oak]

on-the-spot explanaiton here

but im just saying

[rotund shore]

I like how this image has the scrapped hand enemy

[tropic oak]

if you were to try to make it make sense

you could

i wouldnt say its the most impossible thing

[cobalt sand]

Not really Calamity-adjecent lore

[rotund shore]

How could festive spirit make the ENTIRE MOON change

[hot valve]

My roommates and I are watching Addams family rn so

[cobalt sand]

Mourning Wood enemy and allat

[tropic oak]

idk! thats for you to figure out!

[cobalt sand]

Doesn't fit

[rotund shore]

Quirky Christmas magic is not a thing in calamity

[hot valve]

I think the thing is like
Even if you wanted to make lore for the moons, doing it wouldn’t really add to calamity’s story in any way

[tropic oak]

no, definitely not

[rotund shore]

You could possibly make it make sense but it’s more trouble then it’s worth

[tropic oak]

but it would still be fun :D

[hot valve]

Oh for sure it would be fun to see

[tropic oak]

like do not get me wrong

it would in no way, shape, or form contribute to anything calamity story related

but it would still be fun nonetheless

[dusk laurel]

I'm glad the moons will become less useful in the distortion update

[hot valve]

So true

[dusk laurel]

No more endothermic and nightmare materials

[tropic oak]

ah yes the distortion

hivemind realm

or whatever we're calling it now

[hot valve]

Going back and doing the event moons is something I’m very glad we’re moving away from

[dusk laurel]

I have never seen it be called the hivemind realm

[tropic oak]

someone told me it was a hivemind like place earlier today

[cobalt sand]

They won't even have their buff post DoG probably

[hot valve]

The only unfortunate thing is that nightmare fuel is a FIRE name and I really hope that stays

[cobalt sand]

True

[rotund shore]

Of all the things from vanilla that I like that aren’t canon here, I ADORE eclipse but working it into this lore is simply illogical

[hot valve]

Calamity’s astrology is already confusing as is
Solar eclipses in real life happen rather seldom, but in calamity you can get one like two days apart

Trying to explain that lore lmao

[cosmic zenith]

Bud, astrology is horoscope stuff

[dusk laurel]

I don't think astrology is the right term here

Yeah

[tropic oak]

LOL

[hot valve]

Me when I say astrology instead of astronomy

[dusk laurel]

Astronomy you mean

Yep

[hot valve]

Whoever made those similar should be like, erased from history !!!

[cosmic zenith]

But yeah, Terraria cosmology and astronomy is a bit wack

[rotund shore]

Eclipse makes no sense on multiple levels but yeah I like it

[cobalt sand]

I mean Eclipse cound have some lore, connections with the Lhizahrd's deity and maybe Solar Veils being a real thing. Byea thered be a lack of horror movie monsters

[hot valve]

Calamity adds lunar eclipse event

[rotund shore]

And atp it’s just reapers and like eyezor

[dusk laurel]

I wonder what the Aegis Blade description will blabber about

[tropic oak]

considering you do summon the eclipse via a tablet from the liz place

would make sense

tbh

youd have to wipe out like a good porition of all of the solar eclipse enemies though

[dusk laurel]

Since all of the [former] legendary weapons are getting lore descriptions

[rotund shore]

Having lore about why the lihzahrds have a solar tablet, which actively blocks out the sun would be interesting

[cobalt sand]

Yea in cal Lhizhards still worship Golem iirc

[dusk laurel]

They used it as a replacement yeah

[cobalt sand]

And Golem is still sun-adjecent

[rotund shore]

Imagining the notion of if like, they imagined if their “lord” turned on them they’d blot it out

[tropic oak]

inb4 golem ends up as sungod or something

[dusk laurel]

Nah

[cobalt sand]

Or at least the god its modeled after is sun themed somehow

[rotund shore]

Golem is practically just a mechanical deity to them

[cobalt sand]

somehow

[dusk laurel]

The sun is just completely light in Cal, so Xeroc is basically the God of the Sun

[tropic oak]

ok so

[rotund shore]

Why is the temple underground, was it just like, buried over time

[tropic oak]

lizard people indirectly worshipping xeroc

gg

[cobalt sand]

Actually could work

Xeroc wouldn't look anything like a Golem though

[tropic oak]

the lizards wouldnt know that would they

theyre underground

[cobalt sand]

Handsome Squidward looking ass

[tropic oak]

LOL

[rotund shore]

I’m so sad that eclipse is non canon since this could be cool lore to me

[cobalt sand]

I mean Eclipses still DO happen

[cosmic zenith]

Not canon

[dusk laurel]

Oki

[tropic oak]

you could come up with some interesting headcanons as to why the lizards have (effectively) the ability to block out the sun at will with a solar tablet

[cosmic zenith]

But the Sun is the source of Primordial Light

[tropic oak]

hi venus

[dusk laurel]

I misinterpreted,,,

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[rotund shore]

I fully get WHY eclipse is non canon but god it has some stuff I’d want lore wise

[tropic oak]

make the eclipse canon 2025

[cobalt sand]

We get eclipse 2 before Yharim

Its joever

[tropic oak]

Yharicide

hes coming to kill you

[brave dew]

Yharimium

[tropic oak]

[real silo]

I thought eclipses (the event) are canon but the enemies aren't

[rotund shore]

Used to craft yharim bars

[brave dew]

This chat is very yhariful

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[rotund shore]

I mean yeah the celestial bodies do likely do this, but we don’t get any lore out of it

If there’s no monsters, no drops, no nothing

[dusk laurel]

That's what i thought too

[rotund shore]

It’d just be, real life eclipses essentially

[real silo]

I meant like

[cobalt sand]

Solar Veil is odd

The item

[brave dew]

So would that mean darksun energy isnt cannon

[real silo]

Monsters still pop up, just not those monsters

[cobalt sand]

Could

[rotund shore]

Yeah the three post dog event materials are non canon and will be replaced

[real silo]

Darksun will probably be replaced with something

[brave dew]

Oh

[tropic oak]

i think calamity still could very well incorperate enemies into the eclipse, they'd just have to be marginally changed

like pop culture references would be utterly annhilhated

[dusk laurel]

I heard Dark Sun is here to stay, or am I remembering wrong

[tropic oak]

i still figure theyd be more lizard people themed

[real silo]

Imagine if darksun fragments are actually primordial light fragments that you find in the distortion

Because xeroc went in there and fucked up shit

[rotund shore]

Thing is eclipse is just near purely pop culture references so they’d have to rework it from the ground up

Which just like, isn’t worth it

[cobalt sand]

The Ring or Fragments?

[tropic oak]

to you maybe

[dusk laurel]

Frags

[hot valve]

The ring is also likely staying

[cobalt sand]

That'd be odd

[dusk laurel]

There'd be no point

[hot valve]

Or at least it’s function anyway

[tropic oak]

to you maybe

:P

alotta fucked up things you could do with those changing moons

[rotund shore]

Like, if you’d have to rework the entirety of the eclipse, at that point make a new event

[cobalt sand]

Muh Swamp Thing

[real silo]

Afaik the only dark sun thing not staying is event horizon (moved to CV or smth)

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[real silo]

Moved and rethemed

[cobalt sand]

No more funny black hole book

Used to shred Yharon

[real silo]

Why is the black hole book even themed around eclipses

don't you think that's a little fucked up

[cobalt sand]

Idk ask john saros possession

[real silo]

Saros is a HK reference

[brave dew]

John Saros Possession...

[real silo]

it's also based off of radiance (the sun)

Not black holes

[cobalt sand]

Funny moth

I understand

[hot valve]

Well
Stars (the sun) can become black holes eventually! So I assume the sun being darkened is like kind of like a black hole lmao

[brave dew]

Guys all jokes aside where do wulfrums robots come from ?

[cobalt sand]

No idea

[hot valve]

Some inventor

[rotund shore]

Rebels against yharim made them

[hot valve]

Nobody knows

[tropic oak]

be me
use solar tablet
sun fucking explodes, ultimately becomes a blackhole
world is erased
mfw

[rotund shore]

There’s no confirmation who made them so I Headcanon that john wulfrum was real

[tropic oak]

LOL

[hot valve]

John Wulfrum post game boss with Wulfrum plated Auric robots trust

[rotund shore]

Was wulfrum just like, mined such an absurd amount that we never see it underground, or was it an alloy made with like stone and tin

[cobalt sand]

Wulfrum items are one of the few items that harmoniously merge magic and technology, and they have so little lore

[dusk laurel]

You see, here's the issue. Reworking vanilla events is just not something that the devs have on their agenda, especially since the ASE materials are getting replaced which removes like half of their purpose in Cal, biome reworks for Calamity biomes and such will be way more of a priority than reworking smth they could rework. It also just takes time away from developing other things that would need to be changed or added to the mod

[rotund shore]

I’ve asked this before, but: who the FUCK is talking in the wulfrum screwdriver tooltip

[real silo]

Wulfrum is made of wolfram (tungsten)

[brave dew]

John Wulfrum may be real...

[rotund shore]

I always joke that it’s some guy who worked for John wulfrum

[dusk laurel]

You also know of Wolfram?

Johannes Wolfram is John Wulfrum's father

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/rainworld-rain-world-rainworld-scav-rain-world-scav-gif-10837385642969912998

[rotund shore]

I’ve considered as a joke to make my terrarians lore literally just be that they’re John wulfrum

[real silo]

John wulfrum is actually a renowned classical musician

[cobalt sand]

I assumed it was the Mechanic NPC, but actually she isn't missing an eye so probably not?

[real silo]

His real name is wulfrum amadeus mozzarella

[rotund shore]

I imagine that the screwdriver tooltip is just supposed to be a weird omniscient observation

But that’s weird since they do that for like no other items to my knowledge

[cobalt sand]

Watch like Xeroc have a missing eye in gfb or something

[brave dew]

Does draedon have a family

[dusk laurel]

No?

[rotund shore]

I mean, no?

[cobalt sand]

Only creator

[dusk laurel]

He's a robot

[rotund shore]

Unless you count his creator as his dad

[cobalt sand]

That we know of

[brave dew]

His creator ??

[rotund shore]

But he and the inventor never interacted

[rotund shore]

Yeah, he’s a robot, he was created

[brave dew]

Curious...

[hot valve]

Personally I think his creator and draedon are the “””same person”””

[rotund shore]

When draedon gained consciousness his inventor was just dead

[brave dew]

Lol

What a loser

[rotund shore]

I don’t personally believe this theory but I get it

[hot valve]

I think it was a botched consciousness transfer

[light linden]

ik I'm late to the convo but

[hot valve]

However Draedon is amoral unlike what the creator most likely was

[light linden]

why can't the explanation for the enemies in eclipses be that primordial light + moon = weird shit

[rotund shore]

I do get the notion that the inventor put his consciousness into the robot, but lost his memory

[rotund shore]

There’s still like the inherent issue of it all being literal movie characters

[light linden]

what

[rotund shore]

A giant moth and a guy with nails in its head are just like, so odd to fit into lore

[light linden]

we have draconic birds and a floating orb of muck that's a god

[tropic oak]

[light linden]

like I hate to be the bearer of bad news but a giant moth is more tame than some of the stuff we currently have

[dusk laurel]

Doesn't really make sense still, most if the enemies are references and thus are not canon

[light linden]

they're references?

to what?

[rotund shore]

And tbh like, why would the moon have this power

[light linden]

who was trapped on it?

[real silo]

A lot of things

[rotund shore]

Besides moonlord being there, I feel like there’s not really any knowledge that the moon has crazy fantasy shit

[real silo]

Mothrons is mothra

[rotund shore]

And after moonlord is killed, why would these exist

[real silo]

Vampires are well

Vampires

[light linden]

mothra?

[rotund shore]

All of them but eyezor and reapers are direct references to modern horror media

[real silo]

Godzilla character

[hot valve]

Here, thunder

[light linden]

til

[real silo]

That's why the enemies aren't canon

[rotund shore]

And like, the grim reaper appears in this kind of appearance in like, EVERYTHING

It’s just a standard grim reaper design so it can’t be a reference to any given thing

I’m shocked eyezor was put in this event and not blood moon tbh

[cobalt sand]

Also I asked this in spoiler talk, but it was kinda out of pocket; Would Otonilou have authority over Wyverns? Like old duke has control over Pigrons (And he isn't even auric). Wondering since her ascension was consensual and all.

[hot valve]

I swear eyezor was blood moon at some point

[real silo]

Clowns are blood moon

[dusk laurel]

OD has authority over pigrons and other fishrons because he's a mischievous guy and abuses them into being his servants

[real silo]

For some reason

[light linden]

ok can I get more info about the consensual ascension stuff?

[rotund shore]

Honestly with how often clowns appear in horror media, I’d vouch for clowns and eyezor swapping places

[cobalt sand]

That actually makes a lot of sense ty

[dusk laurel]

No problemo

[brave dew]

Od is so mischievous

And devious

Od rn :

[rotund shore]

Although this clown isn’t a direct reference to anything like IT or killer clowns from outer space

[dusk laurel]

OD does this thing where he kills off anything that could be a threat to him and keeps the other fishrons and pigrons malnourished to keep them from being able to revolt against him

Like they so tiny

[cobalt sand]

I'm not sure on the circumstances, but Vetrasyl, auric dragon of storms willingly gave their soul to Otonilou, a resident of Ilmeris.

Then she became goddess of lightning iirc

[dusk laurel]

Image for reference

[brave dew]

That one that looks like duke fishron looks very manourished

[rotund shore]

I have to say I’m so conflicted on this sprite

[tropic oak]

its better than duke fishron copy paste

ill take it

[cobalt sand]

True OD could just be a big meanie

[brave dew]

I'd imagine him being as big and strong as duke fishron if he wasnt so malnourished

Old duke is such a bully

[dusk laurel]

Old Duke is like that abusive grandpa

[cobalt sand]

His devious grin betrays it all tbh

[dusk laurel]

But to literally his entire family

[brave dew]

Od is that one racist old guy in that movie monster house

[dusk laurel]

All of the other fishrons his age were killed off iirc, only he survived because of his living conditions

[rotund shore]

It’s a good sprite, but like, it doesn’t feel like fishron anymore

[dusk laurel]

Maybe dragonblood gets diluted quickly

[light linden]

personally I hate the double tail

[dusk laurel]

Double tail?

[light linden]

do they not have two tails?

[brave dew]

Yeah but i mean having just a duke fishron but with a beard and that is brown is really boring

[light linden]

or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

[dusk laurel]

I think you should get glasses,,,

[rotund shore]

It’s one tail, but it does look weird

[dusk laurel]

That's one tail that's twisting

[rotund shore]

It’s like, a curly tail with a fish tail at the end

[light linden]

OH

sorry

[dusk laurel]

It's fine

[cobalt sand]

Also chances are OD will like, spawn his Fishrons spontaneously (Like he does currently, where they try and get you and splat on the ground if they miss). So his abuse runs deep apparently

[dusk laurel]

The sprite is still a WIP after all

[cobalt sand]

Very evil fish pig dragon

(Or that could be just a gameplay thing)

Idk its either or

[light linden]

they have antlers too

[dusk laurel]

Then again, the Acid Rain enemies seem to have adapted quickly to all of the nuclear waste and other things he dumped into the sea

[light linden]

ngl I feel like the antlers should be replaced with sulphorous coral of some kind

[cobalt sand]

I like the antlers

[dusk laurel]

Gem Crawlers evolved seemingly quickly despite not getting enough nutrients to get their prisms

Why coral?

[cobalt sand]

Chinese lung dragon inspired aesthetic antlers are cool

[dusk laurel]

I like Chinese dragons

That's what Tringle is going for with the ancient Fishrons, since Frost Dragon is also a lung dragon iirc

[light linden]

frost dragon?

[cobalt sand]

Nice, kinda like that one ice dragon from Breath of the Wild

[light linden]

what frost dragon?

[dusk laurel]

Dragon of Frost, ancestor of all fishrons and pigrons

Not said ingame yet

[light linden]

ah

[rotund shore]

I always forget pigrons are primarily ice things

I so rarely encounter pigrons

[cobalt sand]

Also called Mega Mammoth, although that's a very old name and means little to the current design

[dusk laurel]

^

The forlorn Mega Mammoth Dragon . . .

Given grace once more

As a Calamity addon [not released yet] and a corpse in base Cal [also not ingame yet]

[cobalt sand]

The old Mega Mammoth scrapped boss sprite from like 2018 also looks nothing like a mammoth

[cobalt sand]

Did not know about the fan addon, is it confirmed in development?

[dusk laurel]

Triangle and Tobias are spriting the Frost Dragon for an addon

The image that was shown for like 2 seconds earlier

[cobalt sand]

Neat 👍

[dusk laurel]

Before Triangle deleted it

[cobalt sand]

Probably for the best that I didn't catch it tbh

[dusk laurel]

I saw it

It looked dope

[cobalt sand]

gud

[dusk laurel]

It lived in the Tundra so

Lots of fur

[cosmic zenith]

Vetrasyl takes some inspiration from asian dragons, due to the Wyvern connection and also one element or two

[cobalt sand]

Mammoth (You shouldn't really describe it to me though)

[dusk laurel]

Fair

[cobalt sand]

Some secrets are meant to be kept

Unless Triangle Patreon supporter

[dusk laurel]

It isn't made yet sadly

His account exists, but Triangle hasn't set it up

[dusk laurel]

Well tbf

He said this already like weeks ago in here or CST

The fur part

[cobalt sand]

Alright wegud then

[cobalt sand]

So I assume we'll get so see something of him in-game? 👀

Like a grave or statue or likeness of some kind

[cosmic zenith]

A statue, yes

And (sooner) concept art

[cobalt sand]

[untold oracle]

What is a lung dragon

Oh nvm found it

Weird name

[pliant ruin]

That's kind of the point

It isn't supposed to be a fishron

It's a ancestral being to fishrons

[pliant ruin]

I imagine the ancient pigrons to be very fluffy

Like wooly mammoths kinda (haha get it)

Honestly it makes me really happy how new lore stuff is incorporating vanilla elements into the lore more (Pigrons, Fishrons as seen here)

And in a way that dosen't directly tie into the big yharim crusade plot

It just amkes the world feel more "real" and bigger

as compared to some stuff just not being relevant at all and the stuff that is relevant often connecting to yharim/crusade somehow

[untold oracle]

I like the worldbuilding calamity does

And we’ll get the bestiary rewrite too

[pliant ruin]

I have conflicting opinions on cal worldbuilding

Because i think the newer stuff like the entire pigron lore is fantastic

[indigo glade]

Anahita. I have long watcher her before I became immortal

[pliant ruin]

But i also have some critiques against some of the older original worldbuilding and i wish rewriting/editing them was possible but that seems unfeasible

[untold oracle]

Btw someone still hasn’t slept I still have my socks

[pliant ruin]

I've already commented on said critiques, even directly to developers, so there's no real point in reiterating them

but tl;dr cal's need to connect everthing to the greater plot and also the overexplaining of things

[untold oracle]

What things for example?

[pliant ruin]

Sulphuric Sea being caused by Silva, Abyss's creatures being like that because of Silva, Crags having flora and fauna because of Silva, "Chtulhu" meaning "Great Beast", Eidolon Wyrms being draconic offshoots

Fishrons being offshoots is osmething i'm fine with now because the lore they got as offshoots recently is awesome but they would've been there too

if it wasn't for these new lore additions

[split mortar]

When was sulphuric sea from silva? Thouught it was azafure and draedon

[untold oracle]

Mmm yeah I don’t think Silva alone is capable of causing the entire ecosystem in abyss & crags

[pliant ruin]

The organisms in the sulphuric sea

They are able to live because of silva

[indigo glade]

They mean things living there.

[untold oracle]

I’m fine with the cthulhu explanation tho

[pliant ruin]

That's the one i actually like the least lmao

[split mortar]

Thought that was abyss being a bit more hospitable not sulphur sea

[pliant ruin]

It feels rly unecessary

[split mortar]

It’s prob just the explanation for true eoc, eoc and boc

[pliant ruin]

And it dwells in that overexplaining thing from earlier

Yeah but

it dosen't need a explanation

that's the thing

Leave it up to interpretation, it's a vague tiny detail

Alot of things in cal overexplain themselves

"Does this mean Chtulhu is canon to calamity?!?!" Well not really but if you want to interpret it as such then sure. Leave it vague. It's not something that needs a explanation

[indigo glade]

Not really a vague detail when it is the name of two bosses.

[pliant ruin]

That is

a very vague detail

It's just a word in a name of a boss

Explaining it to me is just blehhh

[split mortar]

Well moonlord has true eye of Cthulhu, which may cause extra confusion

[pliant ruin]

This "confusion" isn't a problem

Let people interpret ML having the True Eyes of Chtulhu the way the want

Not everything in lore needs to be 100% objective and explained

[indigo glade]

I think you are undervaluing this.

[untold oracle]

True

I like space for headcanons

[indigo glade]

People will be latching onto it.

[pliant ruin]

Then that's their problem honestly.

[indigo glade]

(And not for good reasons)

[pliant ruin]

And again

interpretations

If someone wants to say Fovos is Chtulhu even though it's not canon then yeah sure go for it. That's ur way of seeing things

If someone else has another entirely different explanation? Sure, also go for it

And that's not to mention the other things i talked abt

[indigo glade]

Not everyone is going to go to a Discord server and ask what exactly Cthulhu is to the lore.

[pliant ruin]

Seeker

ur missing the point

they shouldn't need to ask exactly what chtulhu is to the lore

[split mortar]

Well cthulhus comes with multiple ideas tied to it, same reason why god is a bit peculiar if a word for some

[pliant ruin]

because the point is that there isn't a answer

[indigo glade]

You are looking at this with the lens of already knowing the answer.

[pliant ruin]

keeping things vague is good sometimes

[split mortar]

So having some explanation helps clean some of those ideas

[split mortar]

And imo it isn’t one of these times

[pliant ruin]

no, i'm looking at this with the lens of... "it'd be cooler if there wasn't a naswer"

anyways onto the other things

Azafure's hospitality being caused by silva is

really weird

Like,,, why can't it just be naturally like t hat?

It's a fantasy setting, is it really that unfeasible for there to be a big planty area in the giant lava cave

Same with the abyss, which i think suffers from being amssively overexplained in current lore and one i actualyl think was better in old lore

The abyss should imo dwell into the themes of the unknown and thalassophobia, with little about it and the organisms on it being explained. But in new lore with the answer to all the weirdness down there just being "silva did it" and eidolon wyrms just being dragons amkes things alot less interesting

[split mortar]

I think jared should be left more unexplained but not the other wyrms

[pliant ruin]

It like

kills the entire charm of the abyss

[split mortar]

Or atleast not as unknown as jared

[indigo glade]

I think the difference is that it will have... actually edible plants. Not that Silva is the sole cause of plants, but the cause of edible plants

[pliant ruin]

It's not a unknown deep area anymore because it's just as knwon as any other area

[pliant ruin]

I mean

Why can't

There be edible plants naturally

Silva did not have any reason to be tied to this

Realistically, what does "creating" the crags add to her character

[split mortar]

They’re the goddess of life and if she was at the bottom of the abyss the first time she would be like 50 metres away from azafure

[indigo glade]

Because this isn't their own game and they don't need to add plants to the entirety of hell.

[pliant ruin]

Like, you could remove that and just make it Natural and nothing would change except it'd make it so things don't feel like they're always connected to silva

I'm sorry but

i don't understand

either of those arguments?

When did i say they should add plants to all of hell...

Different biomes are a thing in real life, one area can be lush and the other not

[pliant ruin]

Think about this not from a "this makes sense in-universe" perspective

Think about this from "is this a good writing decision" perspective

Imo, no

[indigo glade]

Why would the addition of the Brimstone Elemental make something more habitable

[pliant ruin]

Being a fantasy setting and actively detrimenting the fantastical aspects of it due to everything being explained by This Thing Did It

[pliant ruin]

Wh

What does that have to do with what i'm saying...

All i'm saying is

Silva did not need to be the cause for this place to be lush

It could just be naturally lush

No involvement from any gods ro elementals or dragons

it's just like that bc it is

And then there's the abyss which while imo could def keep silva being at the bottom of it, she should absolutely not be the reason all the life on it is so weird and colossal

[split mortar]

Well irl there’s explanations for biomes and places having different climates

[indigo glade]

Because the thing that seperates the crags from the rest of hell is the Brimstone Elemental.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but that dosen't mean the brimstone elemental has to be the source of the flroa there if it isn't silva

Again that's just

overexplaining things and trying to connect everything

A hell jungle with a elemental on it can be a hell jungle with a elemental on it, not a hell jungle because there's a elemental on it

[untold oracle]

I think what separates calamity from the other content mods is the fact that the story is very large and explained

Whereas in thorium for example almost everything is up for interpretation

[pliant ruin]

Also eidolon wyrms would be much cooler as just.... enigmatic, somewhat unexplained abyssal beings imo
And primordial wyrm would have no connection to silva or anything else and just be this massively powerful horror from the depths

[pliant ruin]

Thorium dosen't really have a story

I'm not looking at htis

from a terraria mod lore standpoint

I'm looking at it from a writing standpoint as a whole

Calamity overexplains things alot, and often associates things with gods/dragons/crusade to explain them

Which makes the world feel small

And amkes the worldbuilding (imo) a little uninteresting at times

[untold oracle]

Well ig, but I think it makes sense that Azafure was created at the crags specifically because the roof was literally dripping with food

[pliant ruin]

Again yall

its not about

if it makes sense

it's about if it's a good writing decision

because yes

[split mortar]

I like stories making sense

[pliant ruin]

all these things i mentioned make sense in-universe

[untold oracle]

Okay this is true

But I personally prefer the story how it is written right now

[pliant ruin]

I just think they're not good writing decisions becasue they make the world feel small and make it seem like the fantasy setting is too afraid to actually do fantasy and instead relies on explaining every thing that could be more interesting with Gods Crusade Dragons

[split mortar]

Yeah and the story should make you invested to see it from a in universe perspective so making sense in universe is important

[pliant ruin]

That's called

being grounded

A story dosen't need to make sense in the same way science does, it just needs to convince you that it makes sense

It dosen't need

meticulous explanations for everything

It just needs to make sure that things "feel" real

Using the sulphuric sea as a example

Right n ow it's

azafure fumes make it stinky, silva keeps fish alive

But instead it could be
Azafure fumes make it stinky, fish adapt to stinkyness and become weird creechurs

It's

the same thing

but without the silva association

Which, mind you, silva is associated with like

500 things already

[split mortar]

Thought this was the case

[pliant ruin]

no the only reason the fish exist is because of silva

and the only reason abyss creatures are big and weird is because of silva

and the only reason crags has flora is because of silva

[split mortar]

I think the aulphur sea one is bit unneeded, even in universe there isn’t planty mush in sulphur sea so why is her influence big enough to do that

[pliant ruin]

For the abyss i'd much prefer if it was entirely unexplained why the creatures down here are like that, it further fits the theme and motifs of it being the unexplored, unknown depths of the ocean
Primordial wyrm being so massively powerful would be alot cooler imo if instead of a really ancient dragon like OD it was this entirely unexplained thing from the bottom of the ocean that is so massively powerful and nobody knows why

Abyss feels incredibly underwhelming narratively because all of it is just explained through Silva Did It

you have this area with so much potential for mystery and suspense due to the very nature of it yet it's just

Silva Did It

And eidolon wyrms being draconic offshoots too feels really... meh

Again i'd prefer if they were just some... weird fuckin alien looking things from the depths with no real explanation that leave you wondering What the Fuck

[split mortar]

I think the abyss having some explanation would be good

Like we know wyrms being a offshoot but then just leave it unexplained why jared is just so much stronger and bigger

Let’s some knowledge be known but still plenty to theorise

[pliant ruin]

Have people talk about the abyss houses things beyond comprehension, how nobody really understands the things down there, have the bestiary entries allude to cryptic and enigmatic things

[sinful adder]

No actually this is not canon

[untold oracle]

I think yeah the Abyss could be left unknown and unexplained though I like the Silva Blessing Jared

[split mortar]

Fish existed before silva

Affected the abyss

[sinful adder]

The abyss and sulphur sea were always stinky and always had life, but Silva made more life there

[pliant ruin]

The abyss having some explanation would be good but more so just building blocks for theorycrafting than anything

[pliant ruin]

They did yes

but the reason they're fucked up and weird is bc of silva

And i think that's lame

[sinful adder]

That's not canon

The fish were already like that

[pliant ruin]

How is it not canon

Like

[split mortar]

Silva just causes there to be more fish to my knowledge

Not fucking then up

[sinful adder]

The fish all got like that on their own, Silva just made it possible for a lot more of them to live there

[pliant ruin]

The reaper shark bestiary entry outright confirms that silva's essence is changing these beings dosen't it

[sinful adder]

Only partially

[pliant ruin]

These creatures have grown immensely in size and strength due to the effects Silva’s essence has had on them. As they are able to consume the growths she caused directly due to being herbivores in the past, more life flows within them than nearly every other Abyss creature.

colossal squid

silva is literally the reason the abyss's creatures are so large and weird and fucked

And that's .... not something i like

[indigo glade]

I just checked. The only evidence of Silva helping the Sulphurous Sea residents prior to Draedon's radiation dumping is from Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but i don't see why yharim would lie about that

And also like

[split mortar]

Could just be plain ass wrong

[pliant ruin]

Devs also seem to agree it's silva's doing

[sinful adder]

Wait, no

Oh wait ok

Collosal squid is larger because of silva

[indigo glade]

I also don't see why Yharim would attempt to tell the player that Storm Weaver is thought to be like DoG when we can clearly see it isn't.

Sometimes Yharim just spouts stuff out.

[pliant ruin]

It'd also be really lame writing

Like

This thing is caused by silva
nvm lmao it isnt get TROLLED

like what purpose does that serve

[sinful adder]

Well, no, it's just that it's more nuanced than that

[indigo glade]

You can apply this to the Storm Weaver thing earlier.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah and i don't like it either lmao

[split mortar]

Dumb it down and you can do that with storm weaver and dog

[sinful adder]

Silva made the life in the abyss able to grow more, but isn't the sole cause or reason for it

[indigo glade]

This really feels like you have giant bias against Silva.

[pliant ruin]

No i don't

She's just the most prevalent example of it

[sinful adder]

Also: having a character make false statements because they are wrong about something is actually good writing

[split mortar]

You want yharim to know the alien biology from a different dimension?

[pliant ruin]

I literally talked repeatedly about how silva is cute and how i should kiss her

[gritty kraken]

I like to think he just doesn’t know anything there

[pliant ruin]

No i just think Yharim shouldn't be so keen on telling the player something and then it turning out to be another something

And even devs know this

Why can't i like

say something

[split mortar]

Oh I think they’re working on that then

[sinful adder]

Real humans are wrong about things all the time, therefore it makes sense for yharim should be wrong about some things, especially because he's the villain

[pliant ruin]

without some of you immediately saying i'm saying something entirelydifferent

i've asid this before

"i like hamburgers"

"oh so you hate sandwhiches?"

[sinful adder]

I don't fully understand your take

And what your point is

[untold oracle]

Agreed!

[pliant ruin]

My point is that cal overexplains things and that alot of the time it feels the necessity to connect things directly to the main plot (Gods Crusade Dragons and such)

[split mortar]

The way you said it seemed like you were against yharim not being correct, not that he was so certain in his wrong assumption

[split mortar]

Atleast, did to me

[pliant ruin]

When some things would be more interesting if they were left up to interpretation or had their own contained pockets of narrative that dosen't associate with the main plot

Like silva being on the abyss is fine, maybe have some planty organism down there in the void to represent that

[untold oracle]

Imo cal could disconnect more things and leave more stuff for headcanons but they should keep the potentially harmful stuff explained (like the cthlulhu thing)

[pliant ruin]

But i don't think she should be the reason the creatures there get bigger

[pliant ruin]

Ok see fair take

[sinful adder]

Ah, I think I understand

[pliant ruin]

I agree with that

[split mortar]

Yeah fair there

[sinful adder]

I think the silva stuff is fine and makes perfect sense

[indigo glade]

She isn't. She just made plants.

[pliant ruin]

She did...

[indigo glade]

A lot of them.

[pliant ruin]

I just posted the bestiary entry explaining seh did

[indigo glade]

Probably too much.

[sinful adder]

No, the bestiary actually says she does

[split mortar]

The BestiaryBestiary entry for the Colossal Squid: "This species of squid has grown immensely in size and strength due to the effects Silva's essence has had on them. As they are able to consume the growths she caused directly due to being herbivores in the past, more life flows within them than nearly every other Abyss creature."

[sinful adder]

Wait. Actually...

[pliant ruin]

And once again i reiterate: It's not about making sense, it's about it being a good writing decision

[sinful adder]

I think it is also a good writing decision

[pliant ruin]

It makes the world feel small, imo, when everything ties into that grand central plot

[indigo glade]

Draedon's log mentions show Silva's essence makes edible plants, which is why Azafure is the first civilisation. It had free food.

[sinful adder]

But also I just realized everyone here was sort of right and wrong

[untold oracle]

What’s a BestiaryBestiary

[pliant ruin]

Did Silva need to be a cause for it though?

Why couldn't they just... after a long, harsh adventure through the underworldl, find a lush area with edible plants

[split mortar]

I just copied and pasted the wiki

[sinful adder]

Not everything does, but most things do. This will be less bad in the future

The colossal squid bestiary entry says that Silva didn't directly give her power to the creatures, but instead grew all the plants, which the creatures were able to eat and grow extra strong from

[pliant ruin]

This is why i really like the worldbuilding with the pigrons
Like yes, it does tie them in with a dragon, but it does it in a way that dosen't feel forced or that there was another better way to do it, and it dosen't really seem to connect to the greater yharim crusade gods plot

I just think alot of the explainations cal does feel like missed potential

[indigo glade]

That is literally what happened. If it weren't for Draedon explaining it, we wouldn't precisely know it was indirectly caused by Silva.

[sinful adder]

I understand what you're saying, but Azafure and Silva were both meant to be central plot points from the start

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but draedon didn't need to explain it was made by silva...

Tha's my point

Silva didn't need to have literally any association with azafure

[untold oracle]

Well, yeah, but that food would only give an advantage to a degree. If you literally had free food and you don’t have to focus on farming, then of course would it become a civilization big into industry

[sinful adder]

Actually I think it is kind of helpful to the plot to show the hypocrisy of the crusade, the very force that fed them the whole time was one they were also trying to kill

[sinful adder]

Not the point

[pliant ruin]

See that's actually a interesting way to see it

[indigo glade]

These are two different points. Your first message is to asking to leave things not directly explained, this one is asking to not have any connection at all.

[pliant ruin]

If they dwelled into this further, i might actually like the silva association

[pliant ruin]

They're both intertwined

Cal dosen't need to Directly Explain many things and Silva 's Direct Explanation imo is entirely uneeded and adds nothing to either her character or the worldbuilding besides just making the world feel smaller

The idea xbx had , however, is actaully interesting

[sinful adder]

I don't have every connection at the front of my mind, but it's important to remember that Silva and Azafure are both central, driving forces behind the story, and were planned that way from the start.

It's just that this underlying story isn't fully released yet

For example: the would be hero of the story, Braelor, was Silva's champion. He was about to finally defeat yharim, with his boyfriend Statis, but they were ambushed by DoG at the last moment.

Silva's history is interesting, as the elemental of nature and goddess of life, she is one of only two gods with the same domain as the dragon she consumed the soul of, and that dragon was the very first auric dragon. She's also the second most powerful god

[split mortar]

Second most powerful is god of space

[sinful adder]

I do think the mod should have more details not directly connected to the main plot

But they don't have to be ones that were intended to be connected from the start

[pliant ruin]

You bring up some good points yeah. However i feel like if they want to keep the silva association with azafure in a satisfying way, they'd need to make it have actual narrative meaning like with how you talked about the irony of them surviving off the thing they want to kill

[sinful adder]

Ah, then third maybe

[sinful adder]

Understandable.

[hoary berry]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YOBN1lYtcRdKJUpNtwB2lv2TLeh7YrIsqYCXsfRKSE4/edit?usp=sharing
a spreadsheet compiling all of the stuff i've been writing for the AotC line

the quality is a bit all over the place due to unsteady levels of motivation

and a few things don't make proper sense yet because i plant to write a more long-form fic to accompany these entries

which would explain those things

[fierce pagoda]

So apparently bone serpents are draconic offshoots

[untold oracle]

Huh

I understand sleepy’s point now

That is an unnecessary detail

[cosmic zenith]

There is one note about Silva's influence on the Crags that makes that association a bit more interesting
It can be inferred from currently public stuff but it's probably a bit hard to reach I'd imagine

We're aware of the problem of connecting too many things to the central plot, and we want to expand the setting to more disconnected and individualized pockets going forward

[scenic olive]

Crags Life Lore : Silva bathwater

[cosmic zenith]

A lot of the stuff so far was really plot-based because, for the lore to take shape, we first needed to establish the main plot and stuff that surrounded it
Now we can afford to deviate more from that

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-calamity-mod-supernova-rogue-gif-2103113871134463175

[untold oracle]

I… am rogue

[gritty kraken]

Is Silva like the first dryad or something (according to the message after you killed skeletron)

[split mortar]

Yes

[gritty kraken]

tha is cool

[cloud ibex]

☹️

[brave dew]

Who's that guy

[split mortar]

Character that has recently been made to my knowledge, they are meant to be second strongest god only beat by xeroc

And by god of space I don’t mean outer space I mean the geometric term like distance and stuff

Their dragon was the dragon of gravity and we know their name but I forgor

[untold oracle]

And Yhim killed them?

[scenic olive]

yhimic aura

[brave dew]

Yharimeful

[fleet compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266147607026335764/1297566966130937866/imag555555e.gif

[untold oracle]

Uhh what?

[faint plank]

quite a lore

[brave dew]

Very loreful

Goodness ! This chat is full of loreness

[dusk laurel]

I definitely agree

Also hai Cheese