#lore-discussion

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indigo glade
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Then you should be able to read what happened to her.

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I am trying to find where Blunder Booster's lightning damage is, but I just can't.

strange stump
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imagine draedon with a heavy swedish accent

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i should get shot

split mortar
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Is demonshade canon

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The armour

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Not shadowspec

cloud ibex
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as a "thing the terrarian probably in theory could make and that wouldn't really impact the lore in any way"? i could imagine it

neat tinsel
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I have a strong desire to rename “fovos” to moon lord

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moon lord just has a better ring to it

indigo glade
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Do it.

split mortar
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Rename? They’re both its name

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Both are its name

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Just call it moonlord

stuck shore
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Noooo calsad

fading sun
cloud ibex
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a lot of things probably

fading sun
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AURIC PLANTERA RAHHH

hoary berry
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a lot of the pre-hardmode donor items that are rather tame probably fit that description

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like yateveo bloom

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literally just spear made of plants

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that you can throw

indigo glade
hoary berry
dusk laurel
fierce pagoda
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what a name!

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aww its not his real name

fading sun
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Did you eat it

fierce pagoda
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I lost all my teeth

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trying to eat exo candy

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dw they'll grow back till christmas

light linden
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hey is there a lore explanation for the hallow?

indigo glade
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Essentially the opposite of the Corruption and Crimson.

light linden
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so yharim did kill good ones

indigo glade
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Yes.

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His goal was to kill all gods and their followers.

light linden
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do we know any of the gods that formed the evil biomes?

fading sun
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Not really

indigo glade
fading sun
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Wild

light linden
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guessing the most we can make is an educated guess?

indigo glade
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(Specifically, the entries for Hive Mind and The Perforator Hive)

light linden
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hmm

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is there any reference to a god consuming multiple auric souls?

indigo glade
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Nothing in game.

light linden
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hmm

fading sun
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But lore writers have stated that such is possible

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But like

indigo glade
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But a writer once said that you'd slowly start to lose control over yourself, as your soul controls less of a total. And also that Auric Souls are extremely powerful, and you would quite literally explode if you had too many.

fading sun
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It would be weaker

light linden
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interesting

fading sun
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That was said too

light linden
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could you take a god's auric soul?

indigo glade
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Gods do not have Auric Souls, and no, you can't absorb a God Soul.

fading sun
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Why not

indigo glade
fading sun
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Couldn't you technically do the attunement ritual with any soul

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Aw

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A shame

light linden
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does it get used up to make a god ascend?

fading sun
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Becomes kinda mixed with their soul

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Ig

fading sun
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Who are these mysterious people typing for like 3 minutes now

rotund shore
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like, if you mixed coke and dr pepper, theres no way to separate the two from eachother, its just, one thing now
yes this is the analogy im using for a regular and auric soul combining

light linden
fading sun
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Hear me out

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It's an analogy

light linden
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I'm not a chemist but you'd just need to know what belongs to what

cobalt sand
fading sun
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It's technically possible to separate the coke and Dr pebba but like it gets the point across

light linden
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fair enough

fading sun
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Pretty sure

rotund shore
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could an auric dragon hypothetically absorb an auric soul? auric squared

fading sun
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But you could probably do it with like multiple souls in the first place

light linden
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do kinda wonder what would happen if someone absorbed the soul of two (theoretically) conflicting dragons

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e.g. life and death

fading sun
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But it would probably turn you into an auric polterghast

rotund shore
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the logistics of the ascending ritual are interesting, but at the same time we'll realistically never know the details

fading sun
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Also makes you outright weaker

rotund shore
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ive seen some people theorize that in like post game the terrarian will ascend to godhood with yharons soul, but it just, doesnt make much sense

indigo glade
fading sun
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2 souls makes it 50 yourself soul 50 auric soul

light linden
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My guesses are that it either causes in a split personality or some kind of balance

fading sun
light linden
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then again what happens if you perfectly ascend with one but not the other

cobalt sand
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It's been lost to time canonically

fading sun
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Like

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Why make more gods

cobalt sand
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True

light linden
dusk laurel
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No.

light linden
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or whatever the boss rush is

dusk laurel
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That's not happening

fading sun
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And there's little to no auric souls left (pretty sure yharon's the only one you could possibly do the ritual with)

light linden
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even then it's risky for him to do

rotund shore
fading sun
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Basically

cobalt sand
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Especially Yharim, since your target is Yharon

fading sun
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You not the attuner

cobalt sand
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He would never

light linden
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where even is silva in the abyss?

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did they get dissolved?

rotund shore
fading sun
indigo glade
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Her powers cause the Planty Mush to appear but it isn't her.

fading sun
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But there might be a "corpse"

indigo glade
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Some developers are thinking of adding Silva's corpse as either an object or a background feature.

rotund shore
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joke theory: silva could of left the abyss like a decade ago, shes just waiting so that yharim doesnt spawncamp her as soon as she leaves

indigo glade
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Just some way of adding Silva in the bottom of the Abyss.

cobalt sand
fading sun
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This the kinda situation Silva is in

light linden
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is Silva even still conscious?

fading sun
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Partially maybe

indigo glade
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She can deem you worthy.

fading sun
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She's probably not like thinking hyper specifically like you and I do

cobalt sand
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She gives power to the Primordial Wyrm consciously

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At least

light linden
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I have got to stop using my RoD out of habit when mining scoria

fading sun
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More like general jumbled up thoughts or something, like "expand planty mush there, grow a vine somewhere" and less "in 3 years if yharim dies I will do something"

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Just a theory tho

cobalt sand
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Mayhaps

fading sun
rotund shore
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beyond the obvious advantage of being unkillable, does silva have any major physical capabilities or is she kind of just, there

light linden
fading sun
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She has some sort of unspecified "influence" on the life of the abyss

light linden
cobalt sand
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Probably can like, cast Dryad's Blessing or something idk hdflr

light linden
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but that might just be because she's a god compared to an elemental

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low power for a god might be overwhelming for anahita

rotund shore
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I imagine she is just like, pretty dang strong, what perfect ascending does to an mfer

cobalt sand
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I mean Silva was an elemental too, yes?

fierce pagoda
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All this just upscales Yharim

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only outscaled by like 3 people ever

fading sun
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An elemental that did the god ritual

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Basically a non human god

cobalt sand
fierce pagoda
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I was thinking the same three as you, moon lord as third yes, and Zera would likely be tied with him

fading sun
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Pretty sure a lore writer said he's tied with zeratros

rotund shore
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its funny how during powerscaling zeratros gets mentioned so rarely, I feel bad

cobalt sand
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He's literally dead

fierce pagoda
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Well hes just easy to forget i guess

rotund shore
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but then again the guy died 800 years ago so we dont have a ton of info

light linden
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Noxus is related to whatever DoG is from right?

fierce pagoda
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Not ingame and barely mentioned

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We know so little sblut Noxus that its hard to say anything for sure

rotund shore
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noxus is just some weird boogieman idk

fierce pagoda
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But id say he is the distortion master or something similar

light linden
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wasn't he originally called goozma?

cobalt sand
sinful adder
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We also know that he's strong

fading sun
light linden
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yeah it's the hotg boss now

fierce pagoda
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And its implied that DoG works for Noxus

light linden
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can't wait till I fight them for the first time

dusk laurel
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Yuri

cobalt sand
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Whar

dusk laurel
wheat walrus
fading sun
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Lore discussion completely spiraling out of control the moment a random gif gets posted

dusk laurel
fierce pagoda
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What is Yuri called but when its between two men

dusk laurel
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And I saw it

light linden
fierce pagoda
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What about when its ablut a man and a woman

light linden
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it was hinted at something else iirc

wheat walrus
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pretty sure no he doesn't

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it's generally implied that dog brings godly essence elsewhere, presumably to noxus

rotund shore
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most likely to distortion

light linden
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guessing it goes to power up noxus

fierce pagoda
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Thats what im thinking too

light linden
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would explain how he's so strong

fierce pagoda
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Maybe Noxus has a problem and is addicted

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To god essence

light linden
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I imagine even the leftovers of tens of gods would be extremely strong

fierce pagoda
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And now imagine we will kill Noxus, meaning that the terrarian is even stronger than that

dusk laurel
rotund shore
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alot of gods were realistically just super weak

fading sun
dusk laurel
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The average dragon was around the power of an eidolon wyrm, the gods who absorbed the souls of these dragons wouldn't be that much stronger on average

real silo
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Unless noxus has an ability that can really bring out godly essence powers then it's not very helpful

fierce pagoda
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Im sorry bro, you kill the bosses🤷‍♂️

rotund shore
fading sun
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Vanillin where is the like image or message of a dev posting the power scales in numbers

light linden
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do we even know how many gods there were?

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like total

rotund shore
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nope, there were just, alot

fading sun
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No not really

fierce pagoda
cobalt sand
fading sun
light linden
fading sun
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Like he's the god of gluttony but withholds himself from indulging to uphold the balance of the world

light linden
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he could become stronger but he doesn't because of his ideals

fading sun
indigo glade
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Gluttony was the Auric Soul he had absorbed.

fading sun
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Right right

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Stibky pooperheads

tall delta
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and i dont think terrarian will win agaisnt noxus without any type of help

fierce pagoda
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Antony sigma

light linden
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oh another thing

indigo glade
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Right, right. Right, right?

fierce pagoda
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Tomas shelbek

light linden
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who is statis?

indigo glade
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Right, right!

fierce pagoda
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Mafia

fading sun
rotund shore
fierce pagoda
indigo glade
rotund shore
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although its just speculation

light linden
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they're mentioned a few times but I have no idea who they are aside from some kind of ninja summoner who worshipped signus and the slime god

fading sun
fierce pagoda
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Aauuurghh im too øazy to find it

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Pr maybe not

cobalt sand
# tall delta why wouldnt it be

Because it's fully optional side content. Many games have their superbosses as a vague suggestion story canon-wise, so calamity can do the same. Up to the devs though, obviously.

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Its like, a video game trope

real silo
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I don't think they're going to make a fight only to make it noncanon

tall delta
cobalt sand
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Which is why I consider it

fierce pagoda
fading sun
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Calamity is like a very weird thing

fierce pagoda
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There

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Confirmed

real silo
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Like deerclops is non canon sure but they didn't make deerclops

fierce pagoda
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By a dev

fading sun
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A mod for a game that technically has more content than the base game (citation needed)

cobalt sand
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Alright good, we live in the best timeline apparently

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I have no qualms with this

fading sun
indigo glade
cobalt sand
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Epic 👍

indigo glade
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I believe it would be best to think of Boss Rush, Noxus and Xeroc as an epilogue.

fading sun
indigo glade
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Eye of Cthulhu is extremely disconnected from actual Cthulhu.

fading sun
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Basically

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What I was talking about is

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If there needed to be a calamity lore explanation for deerclops

indigo glade
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Deerclops Terraria is literally Deerclops Don't Starve.

fading sun
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It's not impossible in any way

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Yes deerclops is from a diff game

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Not like she's got a logo stamped on her

real silo
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You can try to explain it but the decision remains that the diir is non canon

fierce pagoda
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Yeah i agree with your point, they could easily justify deerclops being an actual creature in the cal verse, but i think its more of a prinicipal thing that they dont

cobalt sand
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I do vaguely recall a dev saying that in calamity canon Deerclops would have its vanilla lore, that being an invader from another world. But StipulateVenus is here so maybe he can confirm if such answer exists.

real silo
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My personal headcanon is that it's the deer god

real silo
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dyyr

cosmic zenith
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God of Deer
Killed the Dragon of Meese

real silo
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dragon of quadripeds

fierce pagoda
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Wow a deer, i sure hope there isnt a recent anime featuring deers that people are gonna spam gifs of!

cobalt sand
real silo
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deer god..

cobalt sand
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Found it it was Triangle

dusk laurel
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Oh deer

spare pier
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Well, he's wrong :p

cobalt sand
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Deer.

indigo glade
cosmic zenith
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(It wouldn't have lore in any case)

spare pier
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You have no idea how fucked it is to imply in Cal that alternative worlds exist

cosmic zenith
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Yeah, that

spare pier
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Oops, guess there's a multiverse now!

fierce pagoda
cobalt sand
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So non-canon it is then. Will remember

indigo glade
sinful adder
spare pier
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IF

the Deerclops had proper Lore, chances are he'd just be a creature similar to some capacity to the Wendigo. Just a powerful monster that roams the Tundra wrecking shit

fierce pagoda
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Wonder what kind of loot Yharim, Noxus and especially Xeroc will drop

fierce pagoda
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Im a reward fiend

indigo glade
fierce pagoda
cobalt sand
spare pier
# sinful adder you could do that...

If we canonized every canonizable Dedicated/Crossover content in the game, then the line of what is canon or not is blurred and it just becomes exceptions over things that would cause problems or not

cosmic zenith
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I miss this movie

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^

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Because we definitely can't canonize literally everything

cobalt sand
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Am I canon?

sinful adder
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I mean, I guess, but does that matter? You can just decide to canonize things that are easy enough to make work

fierce pagoda
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Yeah like the jimbo schlimbo launcher, impossible to canonize...

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Not with a tooltip like that atleast!

spare pier
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I personally think Dedicated/Crossover content that are easily explainable can have their own interpretations depending on the person. If you want to consider some cool Donor stuff canon, be my guest

light linden
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do we have any official art of the godseeker knights by chance?

cobalt sand
light linden
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or know what happened to them in lore?

real silo
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They died

spare pier
indigo glade
tall delta
calm patio
spare pier
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It just makes things unnecessarily difficult to follow

indigo glade
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I don't have them on me, but they exist.

spare pier
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Everyone would need to keep a list of what is and isn't canon

light linden
spare pier
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And it'd just become confusing and unintuitive for anyone getting into the story

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"Oh yeah this is canon. But this isn't because the Devs said so"

cobalt sand
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Every crossover ever. Not just even in games.

light linden
# light linden ok ty

I've been thinking of making an add-on where you fight one of them so any info regarding them is nice

hot valve
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Hello lore chat

fierce pagoda
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Its still kinda unclear and unintuitive about whats canon or not

spare pier
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It really isn't

cosmic zenith
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It's a lot easier for everyone to say

  • Crossover content
  • Dedicated content
  • Blatant references
  • Halloween and Christmas content
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This is basically it

spare pier
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Any Dedicated/Crossover content is non canon

cosmic zenith
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Imagine having to listen every individual thing

spare pier
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I consider blatant references under "Crossover"

cobalt sand
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But muh Fearmonger armor boohoo

light linden
fierce pagoda
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I guess lots of other things are a product of the mod kot being finished yet

spare pier
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I think the ONLY exception to these rules are Pumpkin and Frost Moons

fierce pagoda
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Like i went to ask lore about uelibloom ore

spare pier
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Because those two are just

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Impossible to canonize

fierce pagoda
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But its not canon apparently

spare pier
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In a good way

fierce pagoda
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Since its getting removed

cosmic zenith
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Pumpkin and Frost Moons fit into Halloween and Christmas content

spare pier
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Yeah but I think saying ALL Halloween and Christmas content in the game isn't canon is wrong

hot valve
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I can get Christmas, but what is wrong with Halloween anyway?

spare pier
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Like, there's nothing wrong with Horseman's Blade being canon

cosmic zenith
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Reb

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Your own argument

light linden
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only issue imo with saying that the pumpkin and frost moons aren't canon is nightmare fuel and endothermic energy

cosmic zenith
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We gain nothing from canonizing these items, just a lot of exceptions to specify

spare pier
light linden
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then again aren't those being replaced some day?

hot valve
spare pier
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Uelibloom = Future Profaned Ore

hot valve
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and being renamed

light linden
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distortion?

indigo glade
indigo glade
hot valve
fierce pagoda
hot valve
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Among others

light linden
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ik of it

indigo glade
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Distortion will change upon DoG's defeat.

light linden
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I just didn't know we were going there

hot valve
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A few major updates from now you will be able to

cobalt sand
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Subworlds based LETSFUCKINGGOOOO

light linden
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ig is there anywhere I might be able to read up on some of this stuff?

spare pier
indigo glade
hot valve
indigo glade
light linden
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just reading in game is clearly leaving some holes in my knowledge

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thanks

spare pier
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However, Pumpkin and Frost Moon are the exception on "Halloween/Christmas Content" because we chose to decanonize them

indigo glade
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If you need lore, the pins of this channel has a document of lore.

cosmic zenith
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We chose to decanonize crossover and dedicated content

cosmic zenith
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And only exceptions would be viable to canonize

cobalt sand
spare pier
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Ok, look my argument is

light linden
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just haven't read all of it because I wanna read the draedon communication stuff on my own in game

spare pier
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Imagine that we put all of that content into a box

fierce pagoda
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I like how in cal lore, only the strongest and biggest animals can survive in the deepest abyss, but irl the only animals that live that deep are tiny weak animals

indigo glade
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I think Murasama should be canonised (Joke).

light linden
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deep sea gigantism is a thing

fierce pagoda
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Im talking DEEEEEP

spare pier
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I'm going to make a drawing

hot valve
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Why is Halloween stuff decanonized btw
Or is it specifically something about the pumpkin moon itself, where a bunch of Halloween themed enemies show up out of nowhere

real silo
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Deep, deeper, yet deeper....

fierce pagoda
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Deepest animal found is smalllll

indigo glade
hot valve
light linden
indigo glade
fierce pagoda
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Most iconic cal weapon isnt even canon come onboohoo

real silo
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there was a gay named mura and he was called mura-sama by his japanese students

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the end

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guy not gay

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Idk why I typed gay

dusk laurel
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HDfailure _ _

real silo
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I blame rebecca

cobalt sand
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Freudian slip

real silo
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For absolutely zero reason

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Who the fuck is freudia

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And why did he slip on a manan

split mortar
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Just got out shower what is loring

cobalt sand
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true...

real silo
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hi melongus

indigo glade
split mortar
indigo glade
fierce pagoda
spare pier
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@cosmic zenith here, imagine that the content is separated into these boxes. If we wanted to do anything with the content within these labels, we would take out things from the boxes and canonize them.

However, when it comes to Seasonal Content, nothing in it is contradictory nor relevant enough, with the exception of the Moons. In that case, we are taking those two out of the box and decanonizing them.

split mortar
spare pier
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This is why I think decanonizing ALL Seasonal Content isn't necessary

light linden
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am I watching two devs argue about canon in their mod?

cobalt sand
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Calamity mod

spare pier
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Yeah HDfailure

light linden
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or am I misreading part of this

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ah

fierce pagoda
split mortar
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If only we could see it

real silo
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As heated as a cold glass of lemonade in summer

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I imagine

indigo glade
light linden
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anyways

real silo
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I wouldn't want to see reb argue

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🫵

light linden
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there any lore regarding the sky islands?

real silo
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Plenty

cobalt sand
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Is the evil island canon? I'd imagine not.

split mortar
spare pier
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Being removed so no

dusk laurel
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It's getting replaced with something canon

light linden
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cause I looked for some and I could only find a passing comment in a reddit comment section

real silo
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SHRYSADIA

hot valve
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Oh what’s going to happen to the opposite evil biome chest

split mortar
split mortar
real silo
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That's rude

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You shouldn't say fucking

light linden
split mortar
light linden
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any of that accurate?

cobalt sand
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There's a town called fucking

real silo
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That's better!

cobalt sand
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I forget where

dusk laurel
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Not too inaccurate tho

split mortar
dusk laurel
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From our current knowledge

real silo
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It's now fugging

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I don't think it's much better but it's not Fucking

cobalt sand
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Storm Dragon? Storm Weaver loot mentioned?!?!?

real silo
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Nuh uh

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That one is storm dragoon

split mortar
cobalt sand
dusk laurel
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Waiut

light linden
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also is the dragon aerie a structure or something?

cosmic zenith
dusk laurel
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Tides of Thunder now?

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That was quick

cosmic zenith
light linden
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ah

split mortar
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Since there’s writers here

Is demonshade canon

real silo
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Not yet

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Will be

fading sun
light linden
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currently no but at some point yes

cosmic zenith
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Won't last for long, it's just because Epic: the Musical's Vengeance Saga is releasing this Wednesday

cosmic zenith
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So I have an Odysseus pfp and a Poseidon-themed title

real silo
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That's tomorrow!

split mortar
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Yeah it’s being moved to post scal eventually iirc

Don’t see why that would remove the dev item thing though

cobalt sand
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Is the Aerie canonically a different dimension or is it just hidden
Behind a space force field barrier or veil or something

cosmic zenith
light linden
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my guess is that it's where the dragons are from

real silo
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Afaik the dev hasn't been active since forever

cosmic zenith
real silo
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And it was gonna be canonized even before 1.5

cosmic zenith
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It's not a full-on dimension

split mortar
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Pocket dimension

real silo
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Dragon of dimensions

dusk laurel
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Dungeon of the Dragon

real silo
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Dungeon... and dragons

light linden
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btw going back to the stuff about the opposite evil island

dusk laurel
light linden
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I originally thought it was going to fall down and crash into the world when hardmode started

cosmic zenith
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Well, in a way it won't be up there anymore

light linden
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oh

real silo
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that's true

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it won't be up anywhere

sinful adder
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The dragon aerie is like mount Olympus. Maybe

real silo
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island olympus

cobalt sand
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-# noo my biome chests

sinful adder
hot valve
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Once you beat Moonlord they should just add a new 300 block layer beneath hell that generates trust clueless

real silo
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it's being removed

hot valve
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Make it a new biome

cosmic zenith
#

It will be shot in an alley

real silo
#

Replaced with greek reference or something

cosmic zenith
#

The biome chest will ideally be moved into the Dungeon

dusk laurel
cobalt sand
#

WoF will still drop both keys then I assume

cosmic zenith
#

Actually, we wanted to move keys to strong enemies such as Biome Mimics

split mortar
#

Don’t get why opposite evil biome chets is obtainable in game myself

cosmic zenith
#

To shift focus away from bosses

cobalt sand
#

Actually that's a good idea

light linden
#

that reminds me

cobalt sand
#

Astral mimic plausible?

light linden
#

are we getting astral mimics?

#

well damn

cosmic zenith
#

Nope

#

I didn't say all will be in Mimics

cobalt sand
#

Understandable

real silo
#

Jungle mimic new enemy

split mortar
#

Aureus is the astral mimicclueless

light linden
#

I mean

#

he kinda looks normal without the fire

cosmic zenith
#

It sure acts like one

dusk laurel
#

Doesn't Deus unlock the chest

split mortar
#

No

dusk laurel
#

or is it Aureus

cosmic zenith
#

No, it's Aureus

split mortar
#

The robot crab does

fading sun
#

Brim crag mimic is just a despair stone

cobalt sand
#

It does so with telepathy somehow

light linden
#

God I love the aureus theme

#

my favorite in the mod

split mortar
#

Mimic is the powerhouse of the aureus cell

frozen zodiac
#

idk i like astrum deus's more maybe i just need to listen to interstellar stomper more

real silo
#

Deus is ear candy

#

so delicious

light linden
#

I rarely fight astrum deus

cobalt sand
#

Interstellar Stomper 🔛 🔝

#

Pest of the Cosmos is cool too

split mortar
#

I must have bad memory with music cause idfk what either one sounds likewires

light linden
split mortar
#

They lagged me a fuck ton

#

For some reason

cobalt sand
#

The entirety of Infernum lagged me a fuck ton

dusk laurel
#

I think my pc would explode from post-ml infernum

fading sun
#

Aureus is cool/decent in everything except the actual fight

dusk laurel
#

The fight is good wdym

fading sun
#

King slime but three times bigger

split mortar
#

Can’t wait to do my first masochist playthrough

And actively have only magic storage as the only not mandatory qol for it

cobalt sand
#

He has a cool gimmick where you guide his bombs back into him

#

I like Aureus idk

split mortar
fading sun
#

King slime had a robot baby with crabulon or some shit

#

You get the point

#

It's stinky

dusk laurel
#

I think you're stinky

real silo
#

the only aureus related thing that is stinky is g

split mortar
#

Yea Garbo stinks

fading sun
#

No not really actually

real silo
#

You're not really

#

smh smh

light linden
#

something I've been wondering, do we know where the exo mechs were made?

dusk laurel
#

No

#

They were made somewhere™️

light linden
#

fair enough

split mortar
fading sun
#

It doesn't really matter where

#

Draedon Labs on like another continent

light linden
#

ngl I hope some day we'll get an exo androomba that can go up slopes

fading sun
#

Real

real silo
#

Draedon crafted every piece individually inside his dinky little forge then assembled them like lego for 3 months

light linden
#

rn all I use them for is changing my arena's biome

cobalt sand
#

Exo Androomba, crafted with a lawnmower so it can mow your lawn for the buff

fading sun
#

Exo mowed

split mortar
#

So what I learned of demonshade canonicity

It is canon but like the current iteration of the post providence ore the one in game that’s public isn’t accurate to the lore yet

sinful adder
#

They really had to erase astrageldon and then replace it with basically the same thing

split mortar
#

Well I hope aureus gets to be a bit more unique idk

light linden
#

hey the primordial light means sunlight right?

spring helm
#

They are the same thing yes

light linden
#

ok ty

split mortar
#

Just that sunlight seems to be a tad magical in cal

sinful adder
#

They are the same but it's important to know that the sun isn't like the real life sun

light linden
#

I imagined so

#

sunlight usually doesn't one shot people

split mortar
#

Empress doesn’t one tap in cal but gets double speed and damage instead iirc

wheat walrus
indigo glade
dusk laurel
#

I know right, there's no way a big slime and a robot are that different, right?

sinful adder
#

It's different in lore and visually, but its attacks are like, the same

#

you could replace the aureus sprite with astrageldon and it would make equally as much sense

real silo
#

Slimes don't walk

#

They are either jumping or sitting still or flying

sinful adder
#

well... slimes "walk" through blocks via hoik type thing

#

happens naturally fairly often

light linden
#

been wondering, is the ravager actually the god of sacrifices reborn?

#

or is it an imitation formed from their faithful?

hot valve
#

It’s not a perfect necromancy, though, so ravager doesn’t really have any sanity

light linden
#

I mean makes sense

hot valve
#

There is talk, whispers, as to why the god of sacrifices is now stronger than providence (ravager will be eventually moved to post providence properly)

#

Some suggest that the god of blood was among the sacrifices made to revive it

light linden
#

necromancy seems to go poorly for anyone that isn't yharon

hot valve
#

That two auric souls are basically mixed into that amalgamation

light linden
#

I'll be happy if those damn walls are gone

hot valve
#

Lmfao yeah

#

They will be

cobalt sand
#

I mean the plan is that Ravager will be fought in a box arena

hot valve
#

It’s not annoying moving walls so I hardly would mind

cobalt sand
#

So not really big on freedom of movement

#

True

light linden
#

actually I wonder can yharon bring things back from the dead that aren't dragons?

dusk laurel
#

That's because necromancy is an imitation of auric revival iirc

hot valve
#

I mean ravager was brought back
They succeeded…in a way

dusk laurel
#

Yharon can only bring things back with an auric soul

light linden
#

still wasn't perfect revival

dusk laurel
#

Necromancy is never perfect

light linden
#

then again maybe the dragon of death dying messed with resurrection

dusk laurel
#

That's not how that works I imagine

#

They are different domains

#

And an auric dragon dying doesn't really mess with the domain it controlled at all

light linden
#

fair enough

#

things did still live between the time that the dragon of life died and silva absorbing their soul

sinful adder
#

Yeah, because the auric soul doesn't define the domain

#

The elementals are the fundamental ones that make up the power, the auric soul just grants control over it

light linden
#

what are the pillars in lore btw?

dusk laurel
#

Wait for SSO

#

They will get bestiary entries

light linden
#

sso?

dusk laurel
#

Sunken Sea Overhaul

light linden
#

ah

#

how far is that off anyways?

dusk laurel
#

A couple months

#

early to mid next year I imagine

light linden
#

ok good cause I'm too far into this playthrough to restart

faint plank
brave dew
#

manlord

#

Respect my boy moonlord

real silo
#

manlord

scenic olive
#

What if silva absorbed the auric soul of death instead

sinful adder
#

That sounds like it would end up weird

#

Mushroom god?

#

Rot god?

#

Actually, I bet it would be like the scarlet rot goddess from elden ring

brave dew
#

mushoom god

faint plank
#

crabulon but with an auric soul

real silo
#

I mean assuming she still had the same method of ascending she'd just get Death as a domain

#

Now what if ravager got the auric soul of life

#

What domain would he get

cobalt sand
#

Idk, like birth maybe

real silo
#

freaky

light linden
#

my guess would be birth or survival

real silo
#

Maybe vitality

#

or vigor

#

just +50% all stats

light linden
#

survival would go pretty well with what they became

real silo
#

birth would be so fucked up

light linden
#

I wonder what a flawed ascension with yharon's soul would lead to tbh

real silo
#

Just constantly throw out baby bombs

cobalt sand
real silo
#

what about god of souls

#

instead of putting souls back into dead bodies it's just straight up controlling souls

tall delta
#

and also eternity

light linden
#

ngl I feel like that would be what a flawed ascension with both life and death would lead to

#

god of souls rather

real silo
#

I mean rebirth kinda is just an inbetween of both life and death

light linden
#

or limbo

#

guess it depends on which side is stronger

#

death over life would prolly be necromancy and life over death would prolly be rebirth

#

I hope we see a god with two auric souls some day

tall delta
#

ravager is possibly one

real silo
#

God of blood (hades reference)

light linden
#

I meant one being that absorbed two souls

#

idk if ravager counts as one being

#

although I wonder why one god would give up their life for another

#

or what dragon even lead to the god of blood

real silo
#

Maybe their followers offered the auric soul to ravager's corpse to revive it

light linden
#

perhaps

#

I applaud their willpower then

real silo
#

Some loyal ass worshippers he has

#

This means he must be a good guy clueless

light linden
#

tens if not hundreds of people resisting the possibility of godhood for the sake of one

real silo
#

All for one from

light linden
#

Being good while also being the god of sacrifices is prolly hard

real silo
#

Many would disagree

cosmic zenith
real silo
#

For some people sacrifice is just a rogue weapon

light linden
#

personally I've never played rogue

real silo
#

You should .....

light linden
#

I tried in infernum

#

performed poorly

#

prolly a skill issue on my part

real silo
#

Rogue infernum was stronger than ranger infernum in my experience

light linden
#

I usually play ranger/summoner hybrid

#

ain't optimal but it's fun

#

speaking of rogue, does the bandit have any lore yet?

cobalt sand
#

I think they like, loot boss corpses or something?? Might be wrong

spring helm
scenic olive
spring helm
#

not important to the lore, merely one person of many who come to live in the town you build

light linden
#

the only thing ik about any kind of lore is that they're enby and they have a history with the desert

cobalt sand
#

Tomb raiding or something would indeed check out

tall delta
cosmic zenith
#

Hmm, I should think of what titles to use after Halloween is over and for Christmas

fiery meadow
#

Eternal Blizzard...

light linden
#

hey random thing

#

would y'all say like 99% of vanilla beastiary entries are non canon?

cosmic zenith
#

Nah

#

We're rewriting the ones that don't match Calamity's canon

#

And that's less than 20% I think

#

Around 17% last I checked

light linden
#

bone serpent counts among them I imagine?

#

considering this "Mighty serpentine dragons once ruled hell, but long ago shed their obsidian scales. A skeletal husk is all that remains."

sinful adder
#

Yes, but there will be similarities to that

cosmic zenith
#

That entry will be rewritten, yeah

sleek halo
humble fog
#

Is it a game theory

real silo
sleek halo
#

The elementals come from clusters of mana in their specific element

#

Brimmy being the oldest

#

then Anahita

#

Then Sand

#

sans…

#

Then cloud

#

Last being Silva

#

Who is Imo a lot younger than the others who are closer in age

sleek halo
#

who now embody that element

sleek halo
real silo
#

Ah

#

I thought it was the elementals being stone statues with souls theory

stark python
#

Where can I find the official lore document

split mortar
stark python
#

Thanks

hoary berry
#

i've still yet to come up with anything

#

okay i've got something vaguely resembling a WIP for mercurial tides

#

but this final sentence is just not coming together at all

#

times of need*

untold oracle
#

I mean the ending isn’t that horrible, but I’m not sure about that halls of destiny thing

hoary berry
#

It’s supposed to mean that, with this great power, you can create a new choice in a difficult situation that leads to a more desirable outcome
It’s not a literal thing
But again, i really dont like the ending anyway

#

Nor any of it really

#

At most, i think I’m satisfied with the penultimate sentence

untold oracle
#

Maybe just change the wording a little

hoary berry
#

Unfortunately I’ve ran out of what few ideas I had
That is the fifth iteration of the final sentence i think

solar wharf
#

what is goose even doing

hoary berry
#

bestiary-like entries for the AotC line atm

solar wharf
#

siick

hoary berry
#

i've done everything for biome blade and broken biome blade (main entries for the weapon, individual weapons for the attunements)

#

i've done the entries for fractured ark and AotE too

#

TBB just has sanguine fury left but i also don't like the above mercurial tides entry so that's definitely getting a rewrite

#

in fact, everything i've written up to this point is still up for being rewritten

#

but mercurial tides especially

solar wharf
#

thats insane dedication

#

i tried to write lore for a story with friends

split mortar
#

Yeah

solar wharf
#

but i fucking gave up right as i got

#

the characters sorted out

hoary berry
#

each entry is really short though

#

which is handy

#

means i can write them in bite-sized chunks

#

i might do something more long-form related to the entries though

#

maybe a log or diary

#

describing the actual processes of creating/mending/attuning the biome blades

#

and how the magic works

#

same with FArk and its upgrades

#

for now though that mercurial tides entry has got me really down so i'm just gonna ignore it

solar wharf
hoary berry
#

oh yeah
class distinction isn't real as far as i'm concerned
tons of weapons of any class rely on magic in my eyes

#

but magic itself is like a science

split mortar
solar wharf
hoary berry
#

i've written some entries for stuff other than the AotC line that focuses on how certain items work, usually in relation to mana

split mortar
hoary berry
#

not irl

solar wharf
#

isnt it the same with calamity?

split mortar
#

No

#

Permafrost is very knowledgable on magic

solar wharf
#

thats why there is a canonical arms race between "science" and "magic"

hoary berry
#

we hardly know anything about how magic works in cal really

#

we'll probably get to know more when perma's dialogue gets rewritten (which i think is gonna happen?) but i like out lack of concrete knowledge
it means i can very easily headcanon what i want

sinful adder
#

If something has rules and can be observed, science can apply to it

solar wharf
#

knowing how something works doesnt mean you know what it is

hoary berry
#

in in my eyes, magic can be understood and broken down as anything else could be

solar wharf
#

its why gravity to this day is a theory

sinful adder
#

If something can't be observed, why do you believe it exists?

solar wharf
#

just an accepted one

split mortar
#

Magic is stored in the bonesXD

solar wharf
#

its supernatural

split mortar
sinful adder
#

That depends on the story

#

Something can be called magic and have rules

split mortar
solar wharf
split mortar
#

Science also breaks our physics

#

In calamity

hoary berry
split mortar
#

With exo prism

solar wharf
#

we KNOW gravity exists, we just do not know what it is

#

or well

#

why it ios

#

why it is*

solar wharf
#

but magics definition is so wide, its basically pick and choose so

split mortar
# solar wharf why it is*

I find a why it is more of a philosophical question and not science but that may be me misinterpreting stuff

hoary berry
solar wharf
sinful adder
# solar wharf its why gravity to this day is a theory

That... Doesn't sound quite right. By that reasoning, everything is "only a theory". The most you can ever do do prove something is by repeated experiment. In that regard, it seems strange to talk about something that is known as well as anything can be known in that way

solar wharf
#

that usually is left up to the creation of laws

#

which reaches territories of you know

sinful adder
#

I think you misunderstand what science is, how it works, and what the alternatives are

solar wharf
sinful adder
#

Science is the only way to ever know anything (or get as close as possible to knowing something. Everything else is a guess

sinful adder
#

Oh, then sure, but we also don't know with complete certainty "what" anything is. Not even ourselves

#

There is a way of viewing things that says that knowing how something works is the same as knowing what it is, and any other interpretation of "what" is an illusion

#

We know gravity exists and can describe what it does with our equations we determined with experiment. What else is there to know?

solar wharf
# sinful adder Oh, then sure, but we also don't know with complete certainty "what" anything is...

the difference between that and gravity, is we dont have concrete evidence of how it works while for example, a dog is different from that of a cat, has concrete evidence to make that statement, you could always bullshit your way into saying "it isnt certain because of this small chance", which sure it wouldnt be certain but it would STILL be treated with certainty because it may as well be one

sinful adder
#

It's not really "bullshit", these things are one in the same

solar wharf
#

i'd argue making assumaptions with no actual evidences behind them to debunk something like that is bullshitting

sinful adder
#

We have at least the same level of certainty about gravity that we do about distinguishing a dog from a cat

solar wharf
#

its like telling me why live your life, its all simluation

solar wharf
sinful adder
#

Oh, yeah. That's a fun idea. We have no way to test it. We only know that it's one of many possibilities

solar wharf
#

thats why dark matter is a thing

#

or was it energy

#

its dark something

#

i forgor

#

2 are different

#

but these were theorized because gravity wasnt gravitying

sinful adder
#

Oh, ok, that much is actually true. I wasn't sure if your understanding was at that level. There is nuance that we haven't figured out yet, but we still know quite a lot, and are still learning more. I could explain, if you'd like

#

This is like, my area of expertise, kind of

split mortar
#

Dark matter is the explanation for gravity being different to what it should be I think

Dark energy is universe expansion explanation I think

solar wharf
#

i used to know about it a lot when i was a teenager but i went to biology instead which i loved more

#

so i forgot a shitton of it

#

a young teenager*, im still 19

split mortar
#

3 years older then me waow

sinful adder
#

Dark matter:
We can see that objects in the universe are moving as if there is mass in places that we can't see. We have tried changing our equations of gravity to account for this, but none of these changes give the correct answers. The most likely explanation, given the evidence, is that there are objects in the universe that have mass but don't interact with light in any way, being perfectly transparent or invisible.

#

We already had reasons to believe that such matter might exist, but we've just had a hell of a time trying to directly measure the stuff, due to it being invisible. There are ways we expect it might be able to be measured directly, like around neutron stars, and we're attempting to do that.

solar wharf
sinful adder
#

In this regard, it's more accurate to question the standard model of particle physics, than gravity

untold oracle
#

Hai

#

I eat dark energy

split mortar
#

Question

Why can normal matter interact with light? To my limited knowledge light shouldn’t get affected by positive and negative charge and since black holes can form I don’t think there is a physical block stopping light from phasing through

sinful adder
#

There are ongoing efforts to figure these things out

sinful adder
split mortar
#

Ok that explains why it’s called a electromagnetic wave aswell thank you

solar wharf
#

anyway, i think its just an issue of magic definition, for me magic is supernatural (cant be explained), so it cant be science. but idk how calamity treats it

sinful adder
hoary berry
#

personally i like magic that can be understood and broken down, which i why i like to write things with this in mind

#

also why i'm super interested in dialogue rewrites in the future

sinful adder
split mortar
#

In calamity it’s much more known, we can’t know much about it but in universe it is a science that is just very different to traditional technology so the fields often clash I think

hoary berry
#

this conversation has reminded me of an OC i wrote a single paragraph for and then never touched again

solar wharf
#

wouldnt science treat it as an energy source

#

would it be more efficient than nuclear energy....

split mortar
#

I think that’s called sea prisms and exo prisms idk

split mortar
sinful adder
#

Yeah, Draedon does that, with sea and exo prisms like melon said

untold oracle
#

I think magic and science are just two separate power systems that both follow their own logics but can also interact

scenic olive
#

Magic and Science

#

Miracle Matter

real silo
#

magiscience

#

Speaking of

#

I should finish writing my miracle matter thing now that I'm done with exams

scenic olive
#

What is Miracle matter

hoary berry
#

nya

scenic olive
#

personally what do you think it is

scenic olive
brave dew
#

Yo is that sukuna

real silo
untold oracle
dusk laurel
#

No.

olive schooner
#

oh

real silo
#

I remember this

sinful adder
#

Well, hold on

#

That's fan art of a canon design

real silo
#

This is sagittarius' art

sinful adder
#

It seems disingenuous to call it completely not canon

real silo
#

Or something was their name

#

It's fanart of the current design which isn't 100% canon

split mortar
sinful adder
#

I would think that the current design is currently canon

split mortar
#

So isn’t it like as canon as tarragon and uelibloom

sinful adder
#

I know the accessory version is getting a resprite

#

That's the whole concept getting removed

dusk laurel
#

The boss is getting resprited

real silo
#

That's their name

sinful adder
#

That's like saying Yharon isn't canon because it's getting a new sprite someday

#

When the sprite could just be the same design but better

real silo
#

I highly doubt they're keeping the stone throne

sinful adder
#

I don't see why they wouldn't incorporate the stone, it's iconic

real silo
#

Stone maybe but I was talking about the stone throne

#

Idk

#

I have high hopes it'll be pretty different from fire woman with no shins and sitting in a stone egg

untold oracle
#

It’s a fanart pretty sure

#

Brimmy is getting resprited tho

#

-# i think

dusk laurel
#

Yes

split mortar
#

I mean, she has a baton to throw away in phase two in the rework I think

untold oracle
#

Brimmy has a gaming chair…

#

Was draedon influenced by this?

dusk laurel
#

Brimmy P1 is getting a dress iirc

split mortar
#

Brimmy gamer girl confirmed

untold oracle
dusk laurel
#

P2 is becoming something similar to the accessory I imagine since "skeletal banshee"

hoary berry
dusk laurel
#

Sure, Brimmy's design is iconic, but it's really basic and I doubt Dia would make it that similar to the current

split mortar
#

Honestly

Didn’t know it’s iconic

dusk laurel
#

Idk

#

I was just told it was

#

I mean it is, but it would be easily replaceable

#

Current Brimmy is just a red imp on a throne with a bit of fire

pliant ruin
#

What did the user even mean by this yall

#

posts fanart of brimstone elemental "is this canon"

#

like genuinely what does that mean

mighty zenith
#

i thought recognize the style, that checks out

untold oracle
mighty zenith
#

sadly you're right

#

brimmy is only remembered cause 12 year olds like the woman features

pliant ruin
#

brim elemental is Generic Woman Silhouette made of Fire

#

i'm a lesbian and i don't like her

#

like what are you doing for the lesbian to not like you

indigo glade
#

What if she had clothes?

pliant ruin
#

you must suck really bad

mighty zenith
#

if she wasnt an awesome brimstone creature then i wouldnt mind the design

pliant ruin
#

she would be better if she had clothes

dusk laurel
mighty zenith
#

but she can be so much more inchresting...

indigo glade
pliant ruin
#

anahita is a good elemental design

indigo glade
#

Wake up, inch.

pliant ruin
#

silva is a good elemental design

indigo glade
#

You need to be useless.

pliant ruin
#

brimmy is a manequin made of fire

indigo glade
#

Opinions on Sand Elemental?

mighty zenith
#

eh

pliant ruin
#

nothingburger

#

better than brimmy atleast bc she isnt as blatantly sexualized

mighty zenith
#

i like rare sandy a lil better since it incorporates other parts of deserts

pliant ruin
#

rare sandy is actually not a bad design tho

#

she has more personality

mighty zenith
#

regular sand elemental is a snorefest

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

i do really like the valkyrie cloud

pliant ruin
#

p

#

pwetty

#

pwetty lady,,,

split mortar
indigo glade
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Sand Elementals.

dusk laurel
pliant ruin
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those sand elementals are actually not terrible

dusk laurel
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Not too many people contribute after all

pliant ruin
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its the vanilla one

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thats rly nothingburger

mighty zenith
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vanilla sandy is so bland

untold oracle
mighty zenith
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more bland than brimmy