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Nevermind, found it.
as a "thing the terrarian probably in theory could make and that wouldn't really impact the lore in any way"? i could imagine it
I have a strong desire to rename “fovos” to moon lord
moon lord just has a better ring to it
Do it.

Noooo 
Hey wanna know what else fits that

a lot of things probably
a lot of the pre-hardmode donor items that are rather tame probably fit that description
like yateveo bloom
literally just spear made of plants
that you can throw
What also fits is me coming over to your house and blowing it up.
Wa te siggma.


hey is there a lore explanation for the hallow?
Essence of good gods changing the lands.
Essentially the opposite of the Corruption and Crimson.
so yharim did kill good ones
do we know any of the gods that formed the evil biomes?
Not really
The Corruption ones were ruthless dictators, and the Crimson ones were greedy.
Wild
guessing the most we can make is an educated guess?
(Both of these come from bestiary entries, so they're not part of any Yharim propaganda.)
(Specifically, the entries for Hive Mind and The Perforator Hive)
Yes.
Nothing in game.
hmm
But a writer once said that you'd slowly start to lose control over yourself, as your soul controls less of a total. And also that Auric Souls are extremely powerful, and you would quite literally explode if you had too many.
It would be weaker
interesting
Or like become a polterghast
That was said too

could you take a god's auric soul?
Gods do not have Auric Souls, and no, you can't absorb a God Soul.
Why not
A writer said so.
what happens to the auric soul that gods absorbed then?
does it get used up to make a god ascend?
Combined.
Who are these mysterious people typing for like 3 minutes now
like, if you mixed coke and dr pepper, theres no way to separate the two from eachother, its just, one thing now
yes this is the analogy im using for a regular and auric soul combining
What monster would do this?
I mean you could I'm pretty sure
I'm not a chemist but you'd just need to know what belongs to what
I always headcanoned that trying to reign over multiple auric domains this way would make you some kind of gigantic unholy monster, kinda like ||Ganishka's twice reincarnated form|| from Berserk. Don't ascend twice or you and your worshippers suffer the consequences.
It's technically possible to separate the coke and Dr pebba but like it gets the point across
fair enough
No you can't do the soul ritual thing after you've already done it and become a god
Pretty sure
could an auric dragon hypothetically absorb an auric soul? auric squared
But you could probably do it with like multiple souls in the first place
do kinda wonder what would happen if someone absorbed the soul of two (theoretically) conflicting dragons
e.g. life and death
But it would probably turn you into an auric polterghast
Yea that was my idea
Uhhh
That's a good question
the logistics of the ascending ritual are interesting, but at the same time we'll realistically never know the details
Yeah it's probably possible but it's way too hard and just not worth it
Also makes you outright weaker
ive seen some people theorize that in like post game the terrarian will ascend to godhood with yharons soul, but it just, doesnt make much sense
If you perfectly ascend with both, then you'd just have the abilities of both.
2 souls makes it 50 yourself soul 50 auric soul
My guesses are that it either causes in a split personality or some kind of balance
And that's the best combo possible
then again what happens if you perfectly ascend with one but not the other
I mean we don't know how to perform the ritual, unless someone like Xeroc teaches us
It's been lost to time canonically
Which he has no reason to
Like
Why make more gods
True
I mean I could see it being a reward for passing his tests
No.
or whatever the boss rush is
That's not happening
And there's little to no auric souls left (pretty sure yharon's the only one you could possibly do the ritual with)
even then it's risky for him to do
yeah exactly, the only people who know it are xeroc, silva, and yharim, and like lol lmao why would any of them tell you
Basically
Especially Yharim, since your target is Yharon
You not the attuner
He would never
shes all of the planty mush and stuff
Pretty sure she's spread over the abyss in like plant mush form
She isn't the Planty Mush.
Her powers cause the Planty Mush to appear but it isn't her.
But there might be a "corpse"
Some developers are thinking of adding Silva's corpse as either an object or a background feature.
joke theory: silva could of left the abyss like a decade ago, shes just waiting so that yharim doesnt spawncamp her as soon as she leaves
Just some way of adding Silva in the bottom of the Abyss.
Nah
Probably not, but I've seen someone suggest, albeit jokingly, to add the corpse of Silva in the abyss
This the kinda situation Silva is in
Didn't know this
is Silva even still conscious?
Partially maybe
She's probably not like thinking hyper specifically like you and I do
that's what made me wonder
I have got to stop using my RoD out of habit when mining scoria
More like general jumbled up thoughts or something, like "expand planty mush there, grow a vine somewhere" and less "in 3 years if yharim dies I will do something"
Just a theory tho
Mayhaps
Play calamity gfb it will rid you of bad habits

beyond the obvious advantage of being unkillable, does silva have any major physical capabilities or is she kind of just, there
nty
She has some sort of unspecified "influence" on the life of the abyss
she had enough to drive out anahita
Probably can like, cast Dryad's Blessing or something idk 
but that might just be because she's a god compared to an elemental
low power for a god might be overwhelming for anahita
I imagine she is just like, pretty dang strong, what perfect ascending does to an mfer
I mean Silva was an elemental too, yes?
Btw Silva is like
An elemental that did the god ritual
Basically a non human god
Xeroc and Noxus. Who's the third? I'd assume Moon Lord. Maybe Zeratros too.
I was thinking the same three as you, moon lord as third yes, and Zera would likely be tied with him
Pretty sure a lore writer said he's tied with zeratros
its funny how during powerscaling zeratros gets mentioned so rarely, I feel bad
He's literally dead
Well hes just easy to forget i guess
but then again the guy died 800 years ago so we dont have a ton of info
Noxus is related to whatever DoG is from right?
Not ingame and barely mentioned
We know so little sblut Noxus that its hard to say anything for sure
noxus is just some weird boogieman idk
But id say he is the distortion master or something similar
wasn't he originally called goozma?
Noxus is from the distortion, yes. We know nothing else, not even if he's sapient
We also know that he's strong
Yeah but that's a completely different thing now
yeah it's the hotg boss now
And its implied that DoG works for Noxus
can't wait till I fight them for the first time
Yuri
Whar

have you been lurking just to say this
Lore discussion completely spiraling out of control the moment a random gif gets posted
I just checked
What is Yuri called but when its between two men
And I saw it
yaoi
do we even know if DoG actually destroys the essence of gods?
What about when its ablut a man and a woman
it was hinted at something else iirc
pretty sure no he doesn't
it's generally implied that dog brings godly essence elsewhere, presumably to noxus
according to draetalk, it seems more like the essence is teleported somewhere else
most likely to distortion
guessing it goes to power up noxus
Thats what im thinking too
would explain how he's so strong
I imagine even the leftovers of tens of gods would be extremely strong
And now imagine we will kill Noxus, meaning that the terrarian is even stronger than that
Not as much as you would think
alot of gods were realistically just super weak
@split mortar please man we need you
The average dragon was around the power of an eidolon wyrm, the gods who absorbed the souls of these dragons wouldn't be that much stronger on average
Unless noxus has an ability that can really bring out godly essence powers then it's not very helpful
Im sorry bro, you kill the bosses🤷♂️
well not super weak, but I mean, slime god is pre hardmode which should say alot
Vanillin where is the like image or message of a dev posting the power scales in numbers
nope, there were just, alot
No not really
Imagine fighting tooth and nail to defeat a dragon only to become eidolon wyrm tier
Noxus will be postgame, so I wonder if winning against him would even be canonical
Slime god actively holds himself back from using his powers
why wouldnt it be
yeah that's a decent part of his lore
Like he's the god of gluttony but withholds himself from indulging to uphold the balance of the world
he could become stronger but he doesn't because of his ideals
God of Slimes.
Right right
Gluttony was the Auric Soul he had absorbed.
and i dont think terrarian will win agaisnt noxus without any type of help
Antony sigma
oh another thing
Right, right. Right, right?
Tomas shelbek
who is statis?
Right, right!
Mafia
The terrarians lore is up to you
I have seen the theory that xeroc will like give you a power up or smth in that fight
Dev said that noxus will die by our hand
Possibly last surviving member of the Onyx Kinsmen, who worshipped the Slime God and had contact with Signus.
although its just speculation
Also, gay.
they're mentioned a few times but I have no idea who they are aside from some kind of ninja summoner who worshipped signus and the slime god
Wher
Because it's fully optional side content. Many games have their superbosses as a vague suggestion story canon-wise, so calamity can do the same. Up to the devs though, obviously.
Its like, a video game trope
I don't think they're going to make a fight only to make it noncanon
i dont believe in this theory tbh
Which is why I consider it
Calamity is like a very weird thing
Like deerclops is non canon sure but they didn't make deerclops
By a dev
A mod for a game that technically has more content than the base game (citation needed)
What if deerclops is just like some monster
Explicit reference.
Yes, it will be
Epic 👍
I believe it would be best to think of Boss Rush, Noxus and Xeroc as an epilogue.
Yeah and EOC stands for eye of CTHULHU but they made it fit the lore
Eye of Cthulhu is extremely disconnected from actual Cthulhu.
Basically
What I was talking about is
If there needed to be a calamity lore explanation for deerclops
Deerclops Terraria is literally Deerclops Don't Starve.
It's not impossible in any way
Yes deerclops is from a diff game
Not like she's got a logo stamped on her
You can try to explain it but the decision remains that the diir is non canon
Yeah i agree with your point, they could easily justify deerclops being an actual creature in the cal verse, but i think its more of a prinicipal thing that they dont
I do vaguely recall a dev saying that in calamity canon Deerclops would have its vanilla lore, that being an invader from another world. But StipulateVenus is here so maybe he can confirm if such answer exists.
My personal headcanon is that it's the deer god
diir.
dyyr
God of Deer
Killed the Dragon of Meese
dragon of quadripeds
Wow a deer, i sure hope there isnt a recent anime featuring deers that people are gonna spam gifs of!
deer god..
Found it it was Triangle
Oh deer
Well, he's wrong :p
Deer.
shikanoko nokonoko koshitantan
(It wouldn't have lore in any case)
You have no idea how fucked it is to imply in Cal that alternative worlds exist
Yeah, that
Oops, guess there's a multiverse now!
Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head
Distortion 
So non-canon it is then. Will remember
It has a multiverse, and it consists only of Calamity, Don't Starve Together and Dungeon Defenders 2
that's not how this works. It's not side content any more than Eye of Cthulhu
IF
the Deerclops had proper Lore, chances are he'd just be a creature similar to some capacity to the Wendigo. Just a powerful monster that roams the Tundra wrecking shit
Wonder what kind of loot Yharim, Noxus and especially Xeroc will drop
you could do that...
Im a reward fiend
Can you make the "If" bigger?
money
Im ending it all
Yea as I explained, it's more of a video game trope than actual reasoning I came up with myself. Which is why I was worried about it in the first place.
If we canonized every canonizable Dedicated/Crossover content in the game, then the line of what is canon or not is blurred and it just becomes exceptions over things that would cause problems or not
Am I canon?
I mean, I guess, but does that matter? You can just decide to canonize things that are easy enough to make work
Yeah like the jimbo schlimbo launcher, impossible to canonize...
Not with a tooltip like that atleast!
I personally think Dedicated/Crossover content that are easily explainable can have their own interpretations depending on the person. If you want to consider some cool Donor stuff canon, be my guest
do we have any official art of the godseeker knights by chance?
Just the Anomaly's Nanogun for me. It just fits.
or know what happened to them in lore?
They died
Again, this would blur the line of what is and isn't canon in the Mod. If we decided to canonize half of the Dedicated content in the Mod and not the other half, how do we easily explain this to people? Do we just make a list everyone who wishes to know about the story about what is and isn't canon?
We have sprites of Arsenal armours, tiers one to three, which is what they would've used after Draedon made the Arsenal equipment.
yharim sword and draconic stuff, noxus distortion+ stuff, xeroc will teach you the arts of primordial light all writen in the chat
i watched it with my dad 1-2 months ago on netflix
It just makes things unnecessarily difficult to follow
I don't have them on me, but they exist.
Everyone would need to keep a list of what is and isn't canon
ok ty
And it'd just become confusing and unintuitive for anyone getting into the story
"Oh yeah this is canon. But this isn't because the Devs said so"
Every crossover ever. Not just even in games.
I've been thinking of making an add-on where you fight one of them so any info regarding them is nice
Hello lore chat
Its still kinda unclear and unintuitive about whats canon or not
It really isn't
It's a lot easier for everyone to say
- Crossover content
- Dedicated content
- Blatant references
- Halloween and Christmas content
This is basically it
Any Dedicated/Crossover content is non canon
Imagine having to listen every individual thing
I consider blatant references under "Crossover"
But muh Fearmonger armor 
yeah that sounds like hell
I guess lots of other things are a product of the mod kot being finished yet
I think the ONLY exception to these rules are Pumpkin and Frost Moons
Like i went to ask lore about uelibloom ore
But its not canon apparently
In a good way
Since its getting removed
Pumpkin and Frost Moons fit into Halloween and Christmas content
Yeah but I think saying ALL Halloween and Christmas content in the game isn't canon is wrong
I can get Christmas, but what is wrong with Halloween anyway?
Like, there's nothing wrong with Horseman's Blade being canon
only issue imo with saying that the pumpkin and frost moons aren't canon is nightmare fuel and endothermic energy
We gain nothing from canonizing these items, just a lot of exceptions to specify
Uelibloom is Providence's Essence, however its current incarnation isn't accurate
then again aren't those being replaced some day?
Well those are dying anyway, or getting moved to distortion rather
Uelibloom = Future Profaned Ore
and being renamed
Yes
distortion?
Those have been planned to be moved for a long time.
Yes.
Where DoG is from
Sigma
Among others
ik of it
Distortion will change upon DoG's defeat.
I just didn't know we were going there
A few major updates from now you will be able to
Subworlds based 
ig is there anywhere I might be able to read up on some of this stuff?
My argument was for Crossover and Dedicated Content, at which the exceptions would be the ones we chose to canonize
After Ceaseless Void is defeated, you will be able to use it to enter the Distortion.
Yes actually
Future content doc is in #calamity-update-talk pinned messages
Future content? The pins of #calamity-update-talk has a document.
However, Pumpkin and Frost Moon are the exception on "Halloween/Christmas Content" because we chose to decanonize them
If you need lore, the pins of this channel has a document of lore.
We chose to decanonize crossover and dedicated content
ik about that
And only exceptions would be viable to canonize
There's both a future content doc and a lore doc!
Ok, look my argument is
just haven't read all of it because I wanna read the draedon communication stuff on my own in game
Imagine that we put all of that content into a box
I like how in cal lore, only the strongest and biggest animals can survive in the deepest abyss, but irl the only animals that live that deep are tiny weak animals
I think Murasama should be canonised (Joke).
ehhh
deep sea gigantism is a thing
Im talking DEEEEEP
I'm going to make a drawing
Why is Halloween stuff decanonized btw
Or is it specifically something about the pumpkin moon itself, where a bunch of Halloween themed enemies show up out of nowhere
Deep, deeper, yet deeper....
Deepest animal found is smalllll
That is because there is a proper food chain in the Abyss, and not random micro pockets of hydrothermic vents keeping small species alive.
One of my favourite topics and things I’d like to study as a marine biologist 💯💯
I mean I could think of a few ways to make it but even then they'd be rockier than the roads where I live
The deepness keeps expanding
Pressure gauges cracking
Most iconic cal weapon isnt even canon come on
there was a gay named mura and he was called mura-sama by his japanese students
the end
guy not gay
Idk why I typed gay
_ _
it is a fun topic
I blame rebecca
Freudian slip
Just got out shower what is loring
true...
hi melongus
Go to sleep.
No
It is 11PM, go to sleep.
Does your hair look good
@cosmic zenith here, imagine that the content is separated into these boxes. If we wanted to do anything with the content within these labels, we would take out things from the boxes and canonize them.
However, when it comes to Seasonal Content, nothing in it is contradictory nor relevant enough, with the exception of the Moons. In that case, we are taking those two out of the box and decanonizing them.
Idk haven’t brushed it yet
Great artist, by the way.
This is why I think decanonizing ALL Seasonal Content isn't necessary
am I watching two devs argue about canon in their mod?
Calamity mod
Yeah 
Oh sick
Imagine how heated it gets in dev only chats
If only we could see it
If only you could see it.
anyways
there any lore regarding the sky islands?
Plenty
Is the evil island canon? I'd imagine not.
Were Part of a sky civilisation called shrysadia before monlrod happened
Being removed so no
It's getting replaced with something canon
cause I looked for some and I could only find a passing comment in a reddit comment section
SHRYSADIA
Oh what’s going to happen to the opposite evil biome chest
Fucking explode
Simple, no more bypassing the corruption or crimson choice
it said that there was a civilization that was protected by the lightning dragon but got shattered by the moon lord
Shitting die
any of that accurate?
There's a town called fucking
That's better!
Dragon of Storms*
I forget where
Not too inaccurate tho
Storm dragon
Quite accurate I think
From our current knowledge
Too bad it got renamed
It's now fugging
I don't think it's much better but it's not Fucking
Storm Dragon? Storm Weaver loot mentioned?!?!?
Nope, storm dragon is dead before we play

Waiut
also is the dragon aerie a structure or something?
Ehhhh
I personally think all of the seasonal content is contradictory to the setting of Calamity
Subworld
ah
Since there’s writers here
Is demonshade canon
Melon gun look at your pings
from earlier chats there was a yes and no situation
currently no but at some point yes
Won't last for long, it's just because Epic: the Musical's Vengeance Saga is releasing this Wednesday
So I have an Odysseus pfp and a Poseidon-themed title
That's tomorrow!
Yeah it’s being moved to post scal eventually iirc
Don’t see why that would remove the dev item thing though
Is the Aerie canonically a different dimension or is it just hidden
Behind a space force field barrier or veil or something
Will be once it's reworked
my guess is that it's where the dragons are from
Afaik the dev hasn't been active since forever
Hidden outside of conventional space
And it was gonna be canonized even before 1.5
It's not a full-on dimension
Pocket dimension
Dragon of dimensions
Dungeon of the Dragon
Dungeon... and dragons
btw going back to the stuff about the opposite evil island
Not not really, it was where they were revived by Yharon afaik
I originally thought it was going to fall down and crash into the world when hardmode started
oh
The dragon aerie is like mount Olympus. Maybe
island olympus
-# noo my biome chests
Oh? I do wonder what this means
Once you beat Moonlord they should just add a new 300 block layer beneath hell that generates trust 
it's being removed
Make it a new biome
It will be shot in an alley
Replaced with greek reference or something
The biome chest will ideally be moved into the Dungeon
Can I put it in a pit of hellfire
WoF will still drop both keys then I assume
Actually, we wanted to move keys to strong enemies such as Biome Mimics
Don’t get why opposite evil biome chets is obtainable in game myself
To shift focus away from bosses
Actually that's a good idea
that reminds me
Astral mimic plausible?
Jungle mimic new enemy
Aureus is the astral mimic
It sure acts like one
Doesn't Deus unlock the chest
No
or is it Aureus
No, it's Aureus
The robot crab does
Brim crag mimic is just a despair stone
It does so with telepathy somehow
Mimic is the powerhouse of the aureus cell
idk i like astrum deus's more maybe i just need to listen to interstellar stomper more
I rarely fight astrum deus
I must have bad memory with music cause idfk what either one sounds like
I didn't fight them at all in my infernum run
The entirety of Infernum lagged me a fuck ton
I think my pc would explode from post-ml infernum
Aureus is cool/decent in everything except the actual fight
The fight is good wdym
King slime but three times bigger
Can’t wait to do my first masochist playthrough
And actively have only magic storage as the only not mandatory qol for it
Ah yes king slime and it’s sprinting at full speed with its legs
Ok
King slime had a robot baby with crabulon or some shit
You get the point
It's stinky
I think you're stinky
the only aureus related thing that is stinky is g
Yea Garbo stinks
No not really actually
something I've been wondering, do we know where the exo mechs were made?
fair enough
In a random factory capable of handling exo tech extremely precisely idk
ngl I hope some day we'll get an exo androomba that can go up slopes
Real
Draedon crafted every piece individually inside his dinky little forge then assembled them like lego for 3 months
rn all I use them for is changing my arena's biome
Exo Androomba, crafted with a lawnmower so it can mow your lawn for the buff
Exo mowed
So what I learned of demonshade canonicity
It is canon but like the current iteration of the post providence ore the one in game that’s public isn’t accurate to the lore yet
They really had to erase astrageldon and then replace it with basically the same thing
Well I hope aureus gets to be a bit more unique idk
hey the primordial light means sunlight right?
They are the same thing yes
ok ty
Just that sunlight seems to be a tad magical in cal
They are the same but it's important to know that the sun isn't like the real life sun
Empress doesn’t one tap in cal but gets double speed and damage instead iirc
Gegh Astrum Aureus is quite different if you ask me, at least from a lore and visual perspective
It jumps and shoots lasers, clearly its the same thing!!!
I know right, there's no way a big slime and a robot are that different, right?
It's different in lore and visually, but its attacks are like, the same
you could replace the aureus sprite with astrageldon and it would make equally as much sense
well... slimes "walk" through blocks via hoik type thing
happens naturally fairly often
been wondering, is the ravager actually the god of sacrifices reborn?
or is it an imitation formed from their faithful?
It’s the revived corpse of the god of sacrifices
It’s not a perfect necromancy, though, so ravager doesn’t really have any sanity
I mean makes sense
There is talk, whispers, as to why the god of sacrifices is now stronger than providence (ravager will be eventually moved to post providence properly)
Some suggest that the god of blood was among the sacrifices made to revive it
necromancy seems to go poorly for anyone that isn't yharon
ik about that
That two auric souls are basically mixed into that amalgamation
I'll be happy if those damn walls are gone
I mean the plan is that Ravager will be fought in a box arena
It’s not annoying moving walls so I hardly would mind
scal, cal clone, and ravager's devoted all tried and failed to bring something back a failed right?
actually I wonder can yharon bring things back from the dead that aren't dragons?
That's because necromancy is an imitation of auric revival iirc
I mean ravager was brought back
They succeeded…in a way
Yharon can only bring things back with an auric soul
so did scal in a way
still wasn't perfect revival
Necromancy is never perfect
then again maybe the dragon of death dying messed with resurrection
That's not how that works I imagine
They are different domains
And an auric dragon dying doesn't really mess with the domain it controlled at all
fair enough
things did still live between the time that the dragon of life died and silva absorbing their soul
Yeah, because the auric soul doesn't define the domain
The elementals are the fundamental ones that make up the power, the auric soul just grants control over it
what are the pillars in lore btw?
sso?
Sunken Sea Overhaul
ok good cause I'm too far into this playthrough to restart
manlord
What if silva absorbed the auric soul of death instead
That sounds like it would end up weird
Mushroom god?
Rot god?
Actually, I bet it would be like the scarlet rot goddess from elden ring
mushoom god
crabulon but with an auric soul
I mean assuming she still had the same method of ascending she'd just get Death as a domain
Now what if ravager got the auric soul of life
What domain would he get
Idk, like birth maybe
freaky
my guess would be birth or survival
survival would go pretty well with what they became
birth would be so fucked up
I wonder what a flawed ascension with yharon's soul would lead to tbh
Just constantly throw out baby bombs
necromancy maybe?
Probably something like current necromancy I'd imagine

rejuvenation maybe
what about god of souls
instead of putting souls back into dead bodies it's just straight up controlling souls
and also eternity
ngl I feel like that would be what a flawed ascension with both life and death would lead to
god of souls rather
I mean rebirth kinda is just an inbetween of both life and death
or limbo
guess it depends on which side is stronger
death over life would prolly be necromancy and life over death would prolly be rebirth
I hope we see a god with two auric souls some day
ravager is possibly one
God of blood (hades reference)
I meant one being that absorbed two souls
idk if ravager counts as one being
although I wonder why one god would give up their life for another
or what dragon even lead to the god of blood
Maybe their followers offered the auric soul to ravager's corpse to revive it
tens if not hundreds of people resisting the possibility of godhood for the sake of one
All for one from
Being good while also being the god of sacrifices is prolly hard
Many would disagree
Elementals don't make up the power, they're manifestations of it
For some people sacrifice is just a rogue weapon
personally I've never played rogue
You should .....
Rogue infernum was stronger than ranger infernum in my experience
I usually play ranger/summoner hybrid
ain't optimal but it's fun
speaking of rogue, does the bandit have any lore yet?
I think they like, loot boss corpses or something?? Might be wrong
tides of thunder now?
okay uh...
one of is abilities as the Dragon of Storms is to move thunder clouds around like they're waves?
Goddess of Pestilence
they're kinda just there
not important to the lore, merely one person of many who come to live in the town you build
the only thing ik about any kind of lore is that they're enby and they have a history with the desert
Tomb raiding or something would indeed check out
https://youtu.be/NQNiWFvZoD8?feature=shared auric soulful..,,.
The theme I made for Yharon's Auric Soul. Tastes incredibly spicy.
I meant to upload this one a long time ago, but I didn't really get to it.
Thanks to @Dragoncraft9 for editing this, or I probably wouldn't have uploaded it otherwise.
Become one with the Spire: https://discord.gg/NXuGJdr3P6
Nah it's just an Epic: the Musical reference
Hmm, I should think of what titles to use after Halloween is over and for Christmas
Eternal Blizzard...
hey random thing
would y'all say like 99% of vanilla beastiary entries are non canon?
Nah
We're rewriting the ones that don't match Calamity's canon
And that's less than 20% I think
Around 17% last I checked
bone serpent counts among them I imagine?
considering this "Mighty serpentine dragons once ruled hell, but long ago shed their obsidian scales. A skeletal husk is all that remains."
Yes, but there will be similarities to that
That entry will be rewritten, yeah
this only helps my theory…
Is it a game theory
What's your theory
The elementals come from clusters of mana in their specific element
Brimmy being the oldest
then Anahita
Then Sand
sans…
Then cloud
Last being Silva
Who is Imo a lot younger than the others who are closer in age
The clusters formed into beings
who now embody that element
ok this is the theory
Where can I find the official lore document

Thanks
i've still yet to come up with anything
okay i've got something vaguely resembling a WIP for mercurial tides
but this final sentence is just not coming together at all
times of need*
I mean the ending isn’t that horrible, but I’m not sure about that halls of destiny thing
It’s supposed to mean that, with this great power, you can create a new choice in a difficult situation that leads to a more desirable outcome
It’s not a literal thing
But again, i really dont like the ending anyway
Nor any of it really
At most, i think I’m satisfied with the penultimate sentence
Maybe just change the wording a little
Unfortunately I’ve ran out of what few ideas I had
That is the fifth iteration of the final sentence i think
what is goose even doing
bestiary-like entries for the AotC line atm
siick
i've done everything for biome blade and broken biome blade (main entries for the weapon, individual weapons for the attunements)
i've done the entries for fractured ark and AotE too
TBB just has sanguine fury left but i also don't like the above mercurial tides entry so that's definitely getting a rewrite
in fact, everything i've written up to this point is still up for being rewritten
but mercurial tides especially
Yeah
each entry is really short though
which is handy
means i can write them in bite-sized chunks
i might do something more long-form related to the entries though
maybe a log or diary
describing the actual processes of creating/mending/attuning the biome blades
and how the magic works
same with FArk and its upgrades
for now though that mercurial tides entry has got me really down so i'm just gonna ignore it
i always viewed melee weapons as using magic for the main source but science to channel, direct, and stabilize said magic source
oh yeah
class distinction isn't real as far as i'm concerned
tons of weapons of any class rely on magic in my eyes
but magic itself is like a science
Pretty sure that just is the case with all weapons using magic like after eoc
magic cant be understood therefore it cant be science, thats why science never go into the divine or if god is actually real or not and just leave it up to people who care about that
i've written some entries for stuff other than the AotC line that focuses on how certain items work, usually in relation to mana
i'm talking about in calamity
Permafrost the archscientist
not irl
isnt it the same with calamity?
thats why there is a canonical arms race between "science" and "magic"
we hardly know anything about how magic works in cal really
we'll probably get to know more when perma's dialogue gets rewritten (which i think is gonna happen?) but i like out lack of concrete knowledge
it means i can very easily headcanon what i want
If something has rules and can be observed, science can apply to it
obviously, but doesnt he not know where magic comes from, how it gets its power, etc
knowing how something works doesnt mean you know what it is
in in my eyes, magic can be understood and broken down as anything else could be
its why gravity to this day is a theory
If something can't be observed, why do you believe it exists?
just an accepted one
Magic is stored in the bones
magic defies rules thats the issue
its supernatural
Isn’t a theory the highest level of accepted a thing can get?
Our rules, we don’t know calamities rules
its a theory thats basically a fact yes.
i'm not really bothered if magic ends up being some entirely supernatural and impossible to understand force in calamity
i prefer something else, so i'm just going to ignore it so far as my writing goes (not when making actual theories about the canon story ofc)
With exo prism
we KNOW gravity exists, we just do not know what it is
or well
why it ios
why it is*
that defeats the entire point of magic imo
but magics definition is so wide, its basically pick and choose so
I find a why it is more of a philosophical question and not science but that may be me misinterpreting stuff
(although i doubt it will entirely end up being this way in canon)
science doesnt bother researching that, thats why it isnt science
That... Doesn't sound quite right. By that reasoning, everything is "only a theory". The most you can ever do do prove something is by repeated experiment. In that regard, it seems strange to talk about something that is known as well as anything can be known in that way
that usually is left up to the creation of laws
which reaches territories of you know
I think you misunderstand what science is, how it works, and what the alternatives are
we know gravity exists, the theory is how it works
Science is the only way to ever know anything (or get as close as possible to knowing something. Everything else is a guess
Oh, then sure, but we also don't know with complete certainty "what" anything is. Not even ourselves
There is a way of viewing things that says that knowing how something works is the same as knowing what it is, and any other interpretation of "what" is an illusion
We know gravity exists and can describe what it does with our equations we determined with experiment. What else is there to know?
the difference between that and gravity, is we dont have concrete evidence of how it works while for example, a dog is different from that of a cat, has concrete evidence to make that statement, you could always bullshit your way into saying "it isnt certain because of this small chance", which sure it wouldnt be certain but it would STILL be treated with certainty because it may as well be one
It's not really "bullshit", these things are one in the same
i'd argue making assumaptions with no actual evidences behind them to debunk something like that is bullshitting
We have at least the same level of certainty about gravity that we do about distinguishing a dog from a cat
its like telling me why live your life, its all simluation
we know it exists, we know how it should work, but we dont know how it completely works
Oh, yeah. That's a fun idea. We have no way to test it. We only know that it's one of many possibilities
thats why dark matter is a thing
or was it energy
its dark something
i forgor
2 are different
but these were theorized because gravity wasnt gravitying
Oh, ok, that much is actually true. I wasn't sure if your understanding was at that level. There is nuance that we haven't figured out yet, but we still know quite a lot, and are still learning more. I could explain, if you'd like
This is like, my area of expertise, kind of
Dark matter is the explanation for gravity being different to what it should be I think
Dark energy is universe expansion explanation I think
i used to know about it a lot when i was a teenager but i went to biology instead which i loved more
so i forgot a shitton of it
a young teenager*, im still 19
3 years older then me waow
Dark matter:
We can see that objects in the universe are moving as if there is mass in places that we can't see. We have tried changing our equations of gravity to account for this, but none of these changes give the correct answers. The most likely explanation, given the evidence, is that there are objects in the universe that have mass but don't interact with light in any way, being perfectly transparent or invisible.
We already had reasons to believe that such matter might exist, but we've just had a hell of a time trying to directly measure the stuff, due to it being invisible. There are ways we expect it might be able to be measured directly, like around neutron stars, and we're attempting to do that.
didnt actually know the last part, thats interesting
In this regard, it's more accurate to question the standard model of particle physics, than gravity
Question
Why can normal matter interact with light? To my limited knowledge light shouldn’t get affected by positive and negative charge and since black holes can form I don’t think there is a physical block stopping light from phasing through
There are ongoing efforts to figure these things out
Light is an electromagnetic wave, so it does actually interact with electric and magnetic charges, both in atoms and at larger scales. It just has specific rules for how and when it interacts
Ok that explains why it’s called a electromagnetic wave aswell thank you
anyway, i think its just an issue of magic definition, for me magic is supernatural (cant be explained), so it cant be science. but idk how calamity treats it
You can think of the electric and magnetic fields being "perpendicular" to each other in a sense, and light waves in both fields at once
personally i like magic that can be understood and broken down, which i why i like to write things with this in mind
also why i'm super interested in dialogue rewrites in the future
Yeah, some stories define magic that way, and others don't. Both can be fun.
In calamity it’s much more known, we can’t know much about it but in universe it is a science that is just very different to traditional technology so the fields often clash I think
this conversation has reminded me of an OC i wrote a single paragraph for and then never touched again
wouldnt science treat it as an energy source
would it be more efficient than nuclear energy....
I think that’s called sea prisms and exo prisms idk
Also yeah doesn’t the wulfrum prosthesis do that aswell
Yeah, Draedon does that, with sea and exo prisms like melon said
I think magic and science are just two separate power systems that both follow their own logics but can also interact
Same
magiscience
Speaking of
I should finish writing my miracle matter thing now that I'm done with exams
What is Miracle matter
nya
personally what do you think it is
Just a collection of bullshit that somehow just Works
A culmination and the supreme state of matter this world can offer
No.
oh
I remember this
This is sagittarius' art
It seems disingenuous to call it completely not canon
Isn’t brimstone ele getting a resprite though
I would think that the current design is currently canon
So isn’t it like as canon as tarragon and uelibloom
I know the accessory version is getting a resprite
That's the whole concept getting removed
The boss is getting resprited
That's like saying Yharon isn't canon because it's getting a new sprite someday
When the sprite could just be the same design but better
I highly doubt they're keeping the stone throne
I don't see why they wouldn't incorporate the stone, it's iconic
Stone maybe but I was talking about the stone throne
Idk
I have high hopes it'll be pretty different from fire woman with no shins and sitting in a stone egg
Yes
I mean, she has a baton to throw away in phase two in the rework I think
Brimmy P1 is getting a dress iirc
Brimmy gamer girl confirmed
Pretpy…
P2 is becoming something similar to the accessory I imagine since "skeletal banshee"
She goes completely mental

Sure, Brimmy's design is iconic, but it's really basic and I doubt Dia would make it that similar to the current
Honestly
Didn’t know it’s iconic
Idk
I was just told it was
I mean it is, but it would be easily replaceable
Current Brimmy is just a red imp on a throne with a bit of fire
What did the user even mean by this yall
posts fanart of brimstone elemental "is this canon"
like genuinely what does that mean
wait
the isaac dev?
i thought recognize the style, that checks out
Isn’t the only iconic thing the boobies

sadly you're right
brimmy is only remembered cause 12 year olds like the woman features
brim elemental is Generic Woman Silhouette made of Fire
i'm a lesbian and i don't like her
like what are you doing for the lesbian to not like you
What if she had clothes?
you must suck really bad
if she wasnt an awesome brimstone creature then i wouldnt mind the design
she would be better if she had clothes

but she can be so much more inchresting...
Why is the inch resting?
anahita is a good elemental design
Wake up, inch.
silva is a good elemental design
You need to be useless.
brimmy is a manequin made of fire
Opinions on Sand Elemental?
eh
i like rare sandy a lil better since it incorporates other parts of deserts
regular sand elemental is a snorefest
Agreed
i do really like the valkyrie cloud
Surprised ctp doesn’t change them
Sand Elementals.
No one is interested ig
those sand elementals are actually not terrible
Not too many people contribute after all
vanilla sandy is so bland
True!
more bland than brimmy