lore-discussion

[split mortar]

Polter is def ghost dark

[true hatch]

Yeah but they stopped using it for purely evil things ages ago.

Like, look at Absol. Pure dark, decidedly not evil

It's kinda just 'misunderstood' as well as 'literally just evil'

[split mortar]

Draedon’s shit is just raw steel

[pliant ruin]

yeah but its still congruent with the theme

absols entire thing is ppl think its evil but its not

jare dosent rly have anything to do with Evil

he just kind of

lives in a dark place

[true hatch]

I think Ghost fits that better

Ghost Dragon or Ghost Water (I don't think we actually have many Ghost Water pokemon)

Yeah there's 3.

Jellicent, Frillish, Basculegion

[rotund shore]

the theme of alot of dark type moves is also deceitful/rude and what-not like sucker punch, beat up, or feint attack

[split mortar]

Eidolons are the closest to dragons so I’d say that Jared is dragon

[rotund shore]

Theres 4 ghost dragon pokemon, so its also somewhat unique

[pliant ruin]

pbg can have like

[true hatch]

Eidolons are not the closest to Dragons, Dragonfolly and Fishron are right there.

Eidolons are just... big wyrm

[pliant ruin]

4 different types

like

[split mortar]

Poison steel

[pliant ruin]

which do we even pick

[true hatch]

Poison Steel, Poison Bug, or Bug Steel

[pliant ruin]

steel/poison seems most fitting

[split mortar]

No wyrms are also related

[indigo glade]

Actual Satan, and Fighter Jet Ghost Dragons that use their children as ammunition.

[rotund shore]

poison/steel is a fairy killer which feels oddly thematic to me

since fairies are associated with nature

[split mortar]

And they’re the most related iirc

Ravager is just fighting dark

It fights a lot

And is very murderous

[true hatch]

I think it would actually be Fighting Rock

[rotund shore]

crabulon is paras, not even bug/grass, its just paras

[magic epoch]

Ravager is rock dark

[pliant ruin]

ravager's redesign dosent have any of the rock aesthethic

[magic epoch]

Definitely

[pliant ruin]

so i think we should ignore that cuz it rly dosent fit with its lore anyways

[magic epoch]

Currently atleast

[split mortar]

Ravager a “rock” is bone

[magic epoch]

Rock dark -> fight dark?

[true hatch]

Crabulon is less disturbing than Paras, since unlike Paras the crab was actually dead before the spores took over

[pliant ruin]

fight dark or fight ghost imo

[split mortar]

Oh yeah fight ghost

[magic epoch]

Ravager is definitely dark type imo

[rotund shore]

fighting ghost has iirc only one pokemon so its a fun one

[magic epoch]

Since he's.

[indigo glade]

I wouldn't give it Dark type until we know more about their role and beliefs as a God.

[true hatch]

Fight Ghost is cool, and probably fits the 'literally just corpse pile' thing it has going on

[split mortar]

Yeah

[magic epoch]

god of death ressurected as a mindless husk

[split mortar]

Fight ghost imo

[true hatch]

Yeah and Annihilape is fucking cool

[split mortar]

God of sacrifices

[magic epoch]

Oh two fight ghosts

Marshadow

and annihalape

[rotund shore]

annihilape is literally "Monkey literally too angry to die" its so based

well not too angry to die, too angry to pas on to the afterlife

[magic epoch]

Did we decide on Deus

[split mortar]

Mankey (think that’s its name) is monkey litteraly too angry to live

[rotund shore]

annihilape is also just a super fire name

[frozen zodiac]

too angry to go to heaven

[true hatch]

No it's "Monkey so angry it fucking died but also too angry to accept that it died"

[pliant ruin]

deus uhm

psychic

flying

[magic epoch]

I think psychic fairy could work ...

[split mortar]

Psychic has on times had connections to space so makes sense

[rotund shore]

is the concept of astral just, psychic for this?

[magic epoch]

Idrk I don't have a good explanation

[indigo glade]

Yes.

[pliant ruin]

i mean space thigns

[magic epoch]

Space is essentially psychic type

[pliant ruin]

r usually psychic

[magic epoch]

Deoxys

[pliant ruin]

in pokemon

[rotund shore]

I guess I would associate astral with psychic if any type

[pliant ruin]

deoxys, beeheyem

[split mortar]

Spychic dark since it’s the infection controlling it right now?

[pliant ruin]

please

no more dark

we have neough

[rotund shore]

and aureus is psychic/steel which is a fun combo

[magic epoch]

So many dark types actually work though

Like eoc eow boc

[true hatch]

I don't know if I'd even call the infection Dark though.

It's more of a part of nature than like... something actively hostile

[indigo glade]

Psychic/Poison?

[split mortar]

Dark fits a lot cause calamity ain’t the nicest thing

[pliant ruin]

actually

psychic poison works well

[magic epoch]

Most of the prehm vanilla bosses could definitely be dark

Imo deus is a psychic fairy

[indigo glade]

All astral creatures, aside from Aureus, can be Psychic/Poison.

[pliant ruin]

i dont see psychic fairy

[magic epoch]

It just fits to me but idk why

[true hatch]

I think the only pokemon that has that type rn is garbage

[pliant ruin]

fairy is like the whimsical magic type

deus does have the magic abt it but

very much so not the whimsical

[indigo glade]

I think an uninfected Deus would be Fairy, but this Deus isn't uninfected.

[pliant ruin]

^

i agree w this

[split mortar]

It’s said to speak of the cosmos to control creatures and those able to perceive the universe are immune hence why sapient are immune

[magic epoch]

Yeah

Psychic poison would work

[rotund shore]

At what point should we just go through the list of enemies and say every type

[magic epoch]

Or psychic flying

[pliant ruin]

[split mortar]

Psychic poison for deus

[magic epoch]

But also flying is lame for things that just levitate

[pliant ruin]

moon lord

[split mortar]

What’s signus?

[magic epoch]

Atp like every boss is flying

[pliant ruin]

moon lord fighting

please

[magic epoch]

Ghost dark

[pliant ruin]

moon lord fi

[magic epoch]

Moon lord is definitely psychic

[pliant ruin]

fightign psychic

fighting psdy

[split mortar]

I don’t see the ghost part but def the dark

[rotund shore]

if the only logic for them flying is floating, then just give them the levitate ability

[split mortar]

Yeah moonlord appears and fighter immediately def fighting psychic

[pliant ruin]

moon lord is perfect for fighting psychic he throws hands and is also a freaky brain space monster

[magic epoch]

I feel like moonlord could be mono psychic

[pliant ruin]

FIGHTI

[magic epoch]

Thing is he doesn't throw hands...

[pliant ruin]

hes literally ripped

[frozen zodiac]

draedon himself is pure steel type

what if exo mechs are steel/stellar because of the exo prism colors :)

[magic epoch]

I mean he does throw around his hands

[indigo glade]

I think Cheese wants it to be part Fighting, not sure though...

[magic epoch]

But he doesn't use them to fight you

[rotund shore]

fight/psychic is also just a fun combo imo

[split mortar]

I want fovos to be psychic fighting

[pliant ruin]

thatscuz terraria sucks its dubj it stupid

he would punch you

trust

[magic epoch]

psychic water because squid/cthulhu elements

[pliant ruin]

kills you

with my

my

[split mortar]

Moonlord would punch im you if eyes weren’t in its hands

[magic epoch]

psychic rock because moon

[split mortar]

Break your kneecaps

[rotund shore]

psychic dar- gets shot

[magic epoch]

he can. Close them

[pliant ruin]

profaned guardians

fire

[indigo glade]

I'm going to force feed you your intestines.

[pliant ruin]

uhhhhhhhhhh

ROCK

fire rock

[rotund shore]

fire rock

[pliant ruin]

for both provi and guardians

THERE

AVOIDED

THE CURSE OF DARK TYPE

[magic epoch]

Commander is fire fighting, defender is fire rock, healer is fire fairy

Or fire psychic

[dusk laurel]

fire dark

[pliant ruin]

actually thats nice it works

[indigo glade]

They're evil they should totally be Fire/Evil

[magic epoch]

I think provi could be fire fairy too

[indigo glade]

FUCK

I mean

[pliant ruin]

polter

ghost

[indigo glade]

Fire/Dark.

[split mortar]

Providence should be norm fire

[pliant ruin]

just. pure ghost.

[rotund shore]

leviathan and anahita are just water right

[magic epoch]

ghost dark mayb

but ghost

[rotund shore]

CEASE

we've already reached our dark quota

[split mortar]

I don’t think writhing angry souls are not dark

[pliant ruin]

thats ghost

[magic epoch]

guys i think old duke is dark type

[pliant ruin]

we dont have to give it dark type

[split mortar]

No

[rotund shore]

Call this the darktypelamity mod

[split mortar]

Old duke is dragon poison

[pliant ruin]

because writhing angry souls could be seen as a dark thing but its also very much a ghost thing

[magic epoch]

yeah

i have unfortunate news guys

[pliant ruin]

old duke dragon poison yeah

[magic epoch]

lunatic cultist is DEFINITELY dark and psychic

[pliant ruin]

devourer has been .established

as psychic dark

[split mortar]

No

[pliant ruin]

dragon psychic

[magic epoch]

dragon???

[spare pier]

Oh we talking Boss Pokémon Types

[celest kettle]

😱

[rotund shore]

yeah they worship dragons

[split mortar]

They worship dragons

[magic epoch]

bro is not a dragon himself

[pliant ruin]

he is the leader of the Dragon Cult

[cosmic zenith]

^

[pliant ruin]

and honestly

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

ive expressed before

a headcanon

[magic epoch]

they worship dragons he is not is a dragon

[pliant ruin]

that under his robes hes like

a fucked up dragon hybrid

[cosmic zenith]

(He's not a Dragon himself, that seems like shady logic)

[pliant ruin]

(like eidolists

[magic epoch]

psychic dark i die on this hikk

[split mortar]

We’re saying the dragon offshoots have dragon type

[rotund shore]

I think a dragon fanboy can be a dragon if he really wants

[split mortar]

Like Jared or old duke

[cosmic zenith]

Because they are Dragons

Not Auric ones

[indigo glade]

"Is that your Dragonsona?"

[cosmic zenith]

But still Dragons

[pliant ruin]

yharon is dragon fire no need to argue there right

like

come on

[split mortar]

Ah

[rotund shore]

WAIT HEAR ME OUT
cultist works kind of like castform, having different forms for each of the pillar magic type thingies

[magic epoch]

yeah

dragon fire

it's literally his debuff name

[pliant ruin]

exo mechs

literally just

[split mortar]

Steel

[pliant ruin]

the same type as normal mechs

[frozen zodiac]

i said it steel stellar because exo prisms shiny rainbow ooo

[rotund shore]

did we say anything besides pure steel for mechs I wasnt there

[rotund shore]

erm actually stellar cant be an actual type outside of tera type

[pliant ruin]

steel/ground destroyer
steel/fire reti
steel/electric spaz
steel/dark prime

[split mortar]

I disagree, the exos are amorral thus we can avoid a dark type by making them pure steel

[pliant ruin]

actually

wait no it makes sense

ares

[rotund shore]

[magic epoch]

Steel/Fire apollo
Steel/Electric artemis
Steel/Ground thanatos
Steel/Dark ares

[pliant ruin]

isnt a genocide arson war criminal

like skeletron prime

and it has like

a big robust body

and is generally

humanoid

[magic epoch]

steel electric

[pliant ruin]

so i think

ares can be

steel fighting

[magic epoch]

no

[pliant ruin]

y not

hes literally a Dude

[rotund shore]

chat hear me out the blender attack ares has is just darkest lariat

[magic epoch]

True...

[rotund shore]

but with like lasers

[pliant ruin]

fighting type is like

75% just the Dude type

[split mortar]

What would yharim be

[pliant ruin]

if a pokmon looks like a Normal Ass Person they tend to be fighting types

[magic epoch]

fighting

pure

[rotund shore]

just guys being dudes, dudes being gays

[split mortar]

Or normal

[pliant ruin]

not rly

[magic epoch]

are you implying ares looks like a Normal Guy

[pliant ruin]

normal si more like

Animas

[pliant ruin]

Not a Normal Guy

[rotund shore]

normal types are just regular ass animals

[pliant ruin]

but he's humanoid yes

[rotund shore]

skwovet, wooloo, rattata, etc

[pliant ruin]

and also a

very physically inclined humanoid at that

[split mortar]

I would say yharim is dragon fighting

Why dragon? Attuned to one so they have some soul connection to them

[pliant ruin]

cuz hes big bulky

[rotund shore]

finally, another dragon/fighting
this type sucks absolute ass but I like it

[magic epoch]

ok but ares steel fighting sucks because he can't punch you end of argument

[pliant ruin]

ill kill you

[split mortar]

Areas is steel steel

[magic epoch]

what is he gonna do, BODY PRESS?!?!

[split mortar]

Yes

[magic epoch]

i think he could be steel electric

with Artemis

actually

[pliant ruin]

but then theres 2 steel electrics

thts LAME

[indigo glade]

Or we could say that Auric equipment is the Dragon type, hence someone wearing a full suit of it is also Dragon type.

[magic epoch]

Artemis could be steel flying

[spare pier]

King Slime - Normal/Water
Desert Scourge - Ground/Water
Eye of Cthulhu - Dark
Crabulon - Grass/Dark
Eater of Worlds - Dark/Bug
Brain of Cthulhu - Dark/Psychic
Hive Mind - Dark/Psychic
Perforators - Dark
Queen Bee - Bug/Flying
Skeletron - Dark
Slime God - Water/Psychic
Wall of Flesh - Fire/Dark

[split mortar]

Oh fair

[magic epoch]

wof is better fairy/dark imo

[pliant ruin]

WoF fairy/dark is a banger i love taht one

[dusk laurel]

me too

[spare pier]

Why would Wall be fairy???

[dusk laurel]

hallow

[pliant ruin]

hallow

[rotund shore]

contains hallow I guess??

[magic epoch]

Spirits of Light and Dark

have been released

[pliant ruin]

slimes being all water is

[split mortar]

Contains spirits and stops the world from being bombaredes by undead essence I guess

[pliant ruin]

interesting

not sure if i agree with it but

its interesting

[magic epoch]

hear me out

[spare pier]

Idk I don't see it

[split mortar]

But yeah I can see fire dark

[magic epoch]

king slime COULD BE normal fighting

[spare pier]

No what

[rotund shore]

???

buh

[split mortar]

What

[indigo glade]

I believe they are joking.

[rotund shore]

in what universe is it fighting

ill settle for it learning body press tho

[spare pier]

Anyways for HM

[magic epoch]

plain normal is just better though

[magic epoch]

/hj

[rotund shore]

I kind of wanna say the type for EVERY enemy

[split mortar]

Seems a bit much

[rotund shore]

tbh for some enemies I can easily group them together, like all five wulfrum enemies

so wouldnt be too brutal of a workload

[split mortar]

Xeroc would be fairy since fairy often have connections to light

[indigo glade]

All Astral enemies being Psychic/Poison.

[split mortar]

No not noxus

Xeroc

[indigo glade]

[dusk laurel]

noxus is water bug

trust

[split mortar]

Noxus is pure dark

[rotund shore]

https://tenor.com/view/surskit-pokemon-pokémon-chilling-skating-gif-12684485799795462430

[dusk laurel]

noxus reveal

[rotund shore]

im playing pokedoku rn and im getting absolutely ruined by my never using poison types

[split mortar]

The boss of the great devourer of gods and the source of sapiance in the distortion right here

[dusk laurel]

strongest creature named noxus

[spare pier]

Queen Slime - Fairy/Water
Aquatic Scourge - Water/Poison
Skeletron Prime - Steel/Dark
Brimstone Elemental - Fire
Spazmatism - Steel/Fire
Retinazer - Steel
Cryogen - Ice
Destroyer - Steel/Ground

Plantera - Grass
Aureus - Steel/Ghost
Analevi - Water, both
Golem - Rock/Fire
PBG - Steel/Poison
Empress of Light - Fairy
Ravager - Dark/Ghost
Duke Fishron - Water/Flying
Lunatic Cultists - Normal/Psychic
Astrum Deus - Ghost
Moon Lord - Dark

[indigo glade]

Fairy for Astral??

[spare pier]

Fits better than Psychic

Wait no

[indigo glade]

???

[spare pier]

No no no

[indigo glade]

Psychic is literally connected to space creatures multiple times.

[split mortar]

The reason we went psychic is cause it often has celestial Pokémon I think

[spare pier]

Ghost is the better for Astral

[pliant ruin]

yeah psychic is sort of the space type in pokemon

[split mortar]

Oh fair it is dead stars

[rotund shore]

psychic type has space connections within pokemon

[spare pier]

Idrc

[magic epoch]

Queen Slime - Fairy
Cryogen - Ice
Retinazer - Steel/Electric
Spazmatism - Steel/Fire
Aquatic Scourge - Poison/Water
Destroyer - Steel/Ground
Brimstone Elemental - Fire, Fire/Fairy
Skeletron Prime - Steel/Dark
Calamitas Clone - Fire/Dark
Plantera - Grass
Astrum Aureus - Steel/Psychic, Fighting/Psychic
Leviathan - Water/Dragon
Anahita - Water, Water/Fairy
Golem - Rock/Fighting
Betsy - Flying/Dragon
Duke Fishron - Dragon/Water
Empress of Light - Fairy, Fairy/Flying
Plaguebringer Goliath - Poison/Steel, Bug/Steel
Ravager - Ghost/Fighting
Lunatic Cultist - Dark/Psychic
Astrum Deus - Psychic, Psychic/Poison, Psychic/Flying, Psychic/Fairy
Moon Lord - Psychic, Psychic/Dark

[spare pier]

They have absolutely no psychic abilities

[pliant ruin]

i also do disagree with rock for ravager b ecause its new design and lore dont rly have anything to do with Rock and it just kinda has rock tied to it because of its current outdated design atm

[spare pier]

Yeah but I wanted a double type

[pliant ruin]

ghost : )

he's DEAD

ZOMBIE

[spare pier]

Oh true

[pliant ruin]

basically a ghost

[spare pier]

Anyways for Post ML

Guardians - Rock/Fire
Folly - Dragon/Electric
Providence - Rock/Fire
Signus - Dark/Ghost
Storm Weaver - Dark/Electric
Ceaseless Void - Dark/Psychic
Polterghast - Ghost
Old Duke - Dragon/Poison
Devourer of Gods - Dark/Psychic
Yharon - Dragon/Fire
Calamitas - Fire/Dark

Also I forgot Calclone, same as SCal

Exos are

[indigo glade]

I mean, the entire Deus fight seems entirely magical. And Pokemon usually uses Psychic for literally just magic.

Like, no other way to explain it aside from "magic"

[split mortar]

Don’t know why signus has ghost type

[spare pier]

If we counted Psychic as "magic" then literally 75% of the Bosses would be Psychic

[split mortar]

Fair

[indigo glade]

Fairy, too, but that has connotations attached to it being "good" and "pure spirited", which the Astral absolutely isn't

[spare pier]

All Steel actually

The Exos would be all Steel imo

[indigo glade]

No?

I don't see how that would happen.

[spare pier]

Because every Boss that isn't a robot and from PHM uses magic in some way

And AS and OD ig

[indigo glade]

I feel like you didn't understand my message well.

[spare pier]

Yharim - Fighting/Electric
Noxus - Dark
Xeroc - Fire/Fairy

[real silo]

Thanatos steel ground

Twins steel flying

Ares steel fighting

[split mortar]

It’s not made of digging equipment like destroyer

[real silo]

You're not made of digging equipment

(that is fair)

[dusk laurel]

thanatos is just super-powered deconstructor

[split mortar]

And I ain’t ground type

[spare pier]

I think they are all Steel because they are perfect machines. I like to interpret the secondary typing of the Mechs comes from the souls, meanwhile Draedon cleaned those imperfections from Exos

Also Steel is the best type so

[real silo]

what type is aew

[spare pier]

Oh yeah

[real silo]

Smh forgot the dude

[split mortar]

I thought fairy was

Also funny min maxing draedon

[spare pier]

Dragon/Grass

[drowsy osprey]

pokemon-type-discussion channel!!

[real silo]

grass ⁉️

PW redesign leak ⁉️

[spare pier]

It's a more interesting typing than Dragon/Water

[dusk laurel]

blessed by silva

[split mortar]

Wait plantera has plenty of souls fed to it so shouldn’t it be grass ghost

[indigo glade]

Okay, but Apollo was literally made to rival Calamitas' flames.

[spare pier]

Yeah but I wanted for Plantera to be pure Grass

[split mortar]

Just give it a ability that gives stab fire

[spare pier]

Also move coverage is a thing

[indigo glade]

Pixilate but for fire...

[spare pier]

Granted I want to make abilities now

[true hatch]

Don't you mean Normalise for fire?

Lol

[split mortar]

There is a dragon one and a electric one with the reggi

[spare pier]

Fuck it

[true hatch]

No, that's not how those abilities work

It makes their STAB boosts even stronger, it doesn't give them STAB to begin with

[split mortar]

Ah messed up a bit

[magic epoch]

Dragonfolly - Dragon/Electric
Guardian Conmander - Fire/Fighting
Guardian Defender - Fire/Rock
Guardian Healer - Fire/Psychic, Fire/Fairy
Providence - Fire/Rock, Fire/Fairy
Ceaseless Void - Dark
Signus - Dark/Ghost
Storm Weaver - Flying/Electric
Polterghast - Ghost, Ghost/Dark
Old Duke - Dragon/Poison
Devourer of Gods - Dragon/Dark
Yharon - Dragon/Fire
Ares - Steel/Electric, Steel/Dark
Artemis - Steel/Electric, Steel/Flying
Apollo - Steel/Fire
Thanatos - Steel/Ground
Calamitas - Dark/Fire, Ghost/Fire, Fire
Jared - Water/Dragon, Dark/Dragon, Rock/Dragon
Yharim - Fighting, Fighting/Dragon

[split mortar]

What’s with the signus and ghost type? Did I miss a lore?

[true hatch]

Technically it does just say "Boosts Dragon/Electric moves", but due to them both already being mono Dragon/Electric it just acts as an extra STAB boost, ala that one ability Porygon-Z has

[magic epoch]

just look at him

they so ghaaastly...

[split mortar]

Looks very not ghost

[indigo glade]

Don't those abilities specifically change it for Electric/Dragon. So if another Pokemon had them, they'd get what is essentially a STAB boost.

[split mortar]

And more dark

[indigo glade]

(Also, weren't those abilities nerfed precisely because they were literally double a STAB boost)

[split mortar]

Idk I ain’t a Pokémon nerd

[indigo glade]

I just realised something.

[true hatch]

Only Regileki, it only gives a 30% boost

Regidragos still has the 50% boost

[indigo glade]

The B in STAB refers to boost.

[real silo]

What would xeroc be

[rotund shore]

stands for bonus, actually

[real silo]

I don't think there's a light type

[indigo glade]

Shut.

[split mortar]

Makes sense for eleki, that one very fast it don’t need to hit hard

[spare pier]

Fire/Fairy

[magic epoch]

This doesn't look ghostly to you?

[magic epoch]

Imo, ???

Since he's literally God God

[real silo]

Noxus?

[true hatch]

No they're right, it is actually Bonus not Boost

[real silo]

Dark ghost?

[split mortar]

Looks very eldritch and dark not ghostly and undead

[spare pier]

Pure Dark imo

[true hatch]

??? is basically just Ghost though

God-God in pokemon is Normal type

[magic epoch]

No?

[split mortar]

Only way I can see noxus having ghost is due to horsing the god essence

[magic epoch]

??? Is considered typeless

[true hatch]

All the moves that were ??? became ghost type moves

[magic epoch]

Also Arceus can be any type he wants

[true hatch]

But without a plate he's Normal Type

[rotund shore]

technically future sight did ??? damage initially, even if thats now changed

[magic epoch]

??? Is also a type you can actually be

[indigo glade]

Except for Struggle.

[split mortar]

In legends arceus the normal plate is the blank plate, if you’re typeless you’re normal

[magic epoch]

??? is a type for the unknown, which i think could work well with xeroc

[indigo glade]

Also, Xeroc isn't even a creation God, why are we talking about this.

[magic epoch]

give him wonder guard and he's virtually unkillable

[rotund shore]

typeless and normal are different, typeless can be achieved by stuff like the move burn out

[rotund shore]

the toxic stalling in question

[magic epoch]

the heal bell in question

[true hatch]

IDK. IMO Xeroc would be Fire/Psychic.

That feels like a "God of Primordial Light" typing

[split mortar]

Yet the blank plate gives normal

[rotund shore]

blank basically just means default, basic, simple, which normal type is theming wise

[split mortar]

Xeroc should be double fire

[true hatch]

Pretty sure Burn Out makes them normal type, not typeless

[magic epoch]

No

It makes them typeless

[rotund shore]

roost makes them normal, burn out actually makse them typeless

[magic epoch]

No weaknesses, no resistances

[true hatch]

Yeah I just checked, my b

[magic epoch]

Roost makes them part normal?

What

No

[rotund shore]

it makes them pure normal if monotype, makes them only their other type if dual type

[magic epoch]

Ok yeah

[true hatch]

Roost disables their flying type, effectively

[magic epoch]

except you can spam it

[true hatch]

My favourite Flying Type is Flying Normal lol

[tall crest]

i love coming into calamity lore discussion to talk about pokemon mechanics.

[split mortar]

We were trying to discuss calamity bosses as Pokémon types

[magic epoch]

technically we WERE on topic but we got a bit

[true hatch]

Yeah because Burn Up has a fire-type prereq that's lost when you use it.

Roost doesn't have any req's

[tall crest]

chat didnt like this one

[indigo glade]

Since there are more people here now, I'd like to inquire about this quickly.

[true hatch]

I don't think so, though one would be nice

[tall crest]

not that ive seen. check the pins for what we got

[spare pier]

King Slime - Recovers 20% HP on kill
Desert Scourge - Dig has 100% more power
Eye of Cthulhu - Gains +50% attack and speed at 10% health or lower
Crabulon - Will always survive a finishing blow at least once
Eater of Worlds - Being hit will always deal exactly half of its health in damage, but will also cut all of its stats in half
Brain of Cthulhu - The first hit is always negated
Hive Mind - Allows a partner to attack twice with a random move
Perforators - Any attack dealt to it is mirrored with half strength
Queen Bee - Any Bug attacks will grant Infestation effect to target
Skeletron - Any move has half power but hits for half power above 50% health
Slime God - Can forsake a turn to give a Helping Hand effect to ally
Wall of Flesh - Will instantly kill the target if on the field for 3 turns

[tall crest]

ok

lemme process this

[spare pier]

Fuck it I'm making abilities for all Cal Bosses

[indigo glade]

EoC ability literally being unusable.

[rotund shore]

EoC ability is like only good with focus sash

[tall crest]

skeletron's ability is not good as one might say

quarter power at 50%+

[magic epoch]

eow being useless
hm and perfs being op

[indigo glade]

I'd lower the stat increase it gives, but make it the same range as the Starter abilities. (Blaze/Torrent/Whatever the fuck the Grass one is)

[tall crest]

slime god's ability is literally just the move helping hand. instead of an ability.

[rotund shore]

Might wanna nerf the brain ability, considering mimikyu got just that and the ability was nerfed right after

[tall crest]

overgrow

[true hatch]

Overgrow

[indigo glade]

Thank you.

[tall crest]

slime god's ability is literally Dogwater

[spare pier]

Do you think I care about balance?

[magic epoch]

it isn't that bad

[spare pier]

It's a 5th move

[tall crest]

"do nothing to use helping hand" you can just use helping hand the move.

[magic epoch]

it gives you an extra move slot

[split mortar]

It’s a free fifth move

[true hatch]

You get a 5th move slot. It's Helping Hand.

[magic epoch]

that's quite good

[true hatch]

Except not really

Abilities are pretyt key in VGC

[tall crest]

helping hand? good?

[magic epoch]

yes?

helping hand is quite good

[true hatch]

In VGC Helping Hand is cracked as fuck

[spare pier]

Anyways onto HM

[magic epoch]

it increases damage by 50% ofc it's good

[tall crest]

god this has to be new meta shit

[indigo glade]

It is good in VGC, but enough for an ability?

[rotund shore]

tbh so many things are built around VGC

[tall crest]

i dropped out of vgc in SwSh and i quit mainline pokemon with gen9

[rotund shore]

dondozo and tatsugiris entire gimmick only really works in vgc

[true hatch]

Anyway the ability is still shit since you'd rather run Helping Hand and have an actually useful ability like Friend Guard instead

[magic epoch]

what if like

[true hatch]

Helping Hand was still good in SwSh era

[magic epoch]

it was offensive friend guard

[tall crest]

i dont know what gen9 is but simply put i dont want to

[tall crest]

i didnt play SwSh vgc

[split mortar]

I wonder if moonlords ability will be good for crowds, it did nearly kill a civilisation afterall

[tall crest]

i said i dropped out at that time

[magic epoch]

partner doss 25% more damage

[rotund shore]

my god that would be broken

[tall crest]

last comp i played was gen7

[indigo glade]

Also WoF literally just be that guy who spams Perish Song expecting it to work.

[magic epoch]

True...

[rotund shore]

calyrex shadow rider + slime god oneshot sweeping everything

[true hatch]

It's like Plus/Minus except it's good and not dogshit

[indigo glade]

Actually...

[tall crest]

plus/minus is funny

[indigo glade]

WoF with Pursuit would go hard as fuck.

[magic epoch]

removed

:(

[split mortar]

What’s pursuit

[magic epoch]

pokemon move

[spare pier]

Except switching out doesn't work

[tall crest]

wof moveset is Lick, Hold Hands, Pursuit, and Leer

discuss

[spare pier]

When I say "on the field for three turns"

I mean Wall

[magic epoch]

dark type with like 60 BP but doubled if target tries to switch out

[true hatch]

Instant ban

[spare pier]

If Wall stays on the field for three turns, it instantly kills the opposing side

[indigo glade]

Spazmatism and Retinazer and Artemis and Apollo having Plus/Minus would be funny.

[indigo glade]

No.

[magic epoch]

and hits the target trying to switch our

BUT pursuit was removed

so

[tall crest]

im so glad someone sees my fucking vision.
or the slime god paladins

[spare pier]

I would've made it 5 turns but

[tall crest]

removed?

[magic epoch]

pursuit was removed yes

[spare pier]

Nah I wanna be funny

[indigo glade]

No.

[tall crest]

jeez did they do movecut like they did dexcut

[magic epoch]

how many blocks long is a large world

[tall crest]

a lot

at least 4

[magic epoch]

just a few yeah

[split mortar]

Like 5 kilometres

[magic epoch]

pursuit and hidden power were the main ones that actually mattered iirc

[spare pier]

Anyways

[tall crest]

terraria is fucking small

[true hatch]

Also I just realised how fucking broken Hive Mind's ability is:

"Your other pokemon is literally just better Mega Kangaskhan"

Brain just has Mimikyu's signature ability lol

[tall crest]

tiny ass country

[magic epoch]

Eiscue if it was good

[split mortar]

When 1 block is 2 foot what do you expect

[tall crest]

the us state i live in would crush it

[tall crest]

i didnt know 1 block was 2 feet

[indigo glade]

Perforators has better Rough Skin

[true hatch]

Icecue is literally just worse Mimikyu yes

[split mortar]

Meaning a 8foot 1 yharim is barely 4 blocks tall

[magic epoch]

not really

it's a tradeoff

[tall crest]

man why do all these gods and moon lords and shit care so much about this tiny ass island country. it's like how aliens always attack NYC in movies. why. who cares.

[true hatch]

Not a good one

[split mortar]

Canonically it’s a big continent

[magic epoch]

eiscue only activates on physical moves but has the full 100% reduction

[split mortar]

But yeah funny

[true hatch]

Mimikyu is completely immune to the first thing that hits it

[magic epoch]

No

it takes reduced damage

[true hatch]

Yes? Disguise completely negates the first hit Mimikyu takes?

[magic epoch]

it was nerfed

[tall crest]

its permanently like, kaho'olawe size to me

[magic epoch]

in gen 8 iirc

[tall crest]

youve ruined me /silly

[split mortar]

Glad I can help

[rotund shore]

now the disguise hit makes it take a small amount of damage rather then fully negated

[indigo glade]

Yes. It is completely neutered by any special attacker.

[magic epoch]

not"neutered" it just ignores it

[true hatch]

Flutter Mane is coming:

[tall crest]

yharim's favourite pokemon is charizard because he is a basic bitch and saw cool fire dragon and went "haha just like yharon :)"

[magic epoch]

erm that's actually not a d- dies

[split mortar]

Not dragon type

[true hatch]

God I love Flutter Mane.

I love Misdreavous and Flutter Mane is just Misdreavous but good

[tall crest]

thats part of the joke, yes

[split mortar]

Funny

[tall crest]

congrats 🎉

[spare pier]

Queen Slime - Becomes Flying/Fairy at 50% HP
Brimstone Elemental - Has a 100% Fire STAB
Aquatic Scourge - All Water attacks have a 20% chance to poison enemies
Cryogen - Will recover 10% HP every 2 turns
Skeletron Prime - Attacks 4 times every turn above 50% HP, at a third of its power
Destroyer - Receive a 5% attack boost every 10% health lost
Twins - If on the field at the same time and their brother dies, receive a 50% boost to all stats

[tall crest]

brimmy is just dhelmise's ability but for fire

[magic epoch]

no

[true hatch]

Cryogen getting worse Leftovers:

[magic epoch]

dhelmise gives a stat bonus to a type it doesn't have

[indigo glade]

Chi-Yu coming with a Sun Boosted, +6 Special Attack, Beads of Ruin, Helping Hand, Choice Specs Overheat:

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime the ultimate setup Pokémon

[tall crest]

buddy. who give a shitt

you got what i was saying

[magic epoch]

Fake Out

[true hatch]

Dies because it gets outsped

[magic epoch]

should've choice scarfed

[tall crest]

youre reciting latin at me /silly

[true hatch]

There's a reason Flutter Mane is meta and Chi-Yu is not

[indigo glade]

Okay, but overkilling an Eiscue is inherently funnier.

[true hatch]

This is true. Bro exploded

[hot valve]

The last 800 messages has been spent on deciding which bosses are what Pokémon types
I love this channel so much lore discussion rocks

[true hatch]

God I love Corrosion as an ability

Why did they have to give it to another pokemon (That gets a better ability anyway so it's not like it's going to use Corrosion it just makes Salazzle less special)

[split mortar]

👍

[true hatch]

It's the deep lore, I wouldn't expect you to get it

We're talking bottom of the iceberg type shit

[split mortar]

Yeah

[true hatch]

Speaking of Typing, why did Weapon Typings in Calamity get removed?

[split mortar]

Pain to balance I’d guess

[hot valve]

There was weapon typings?

I know the wiki says “resistances” on some of the bosses

I have no idea what it meant so I fully ignored it

[true hatch]

Oh that's for Debuffs

Debuffs have types

But originally Weapons had damage types too

[hot valve]

Oh what?

Huh

Interesting

[true hatch]

Yeah.

There's Water, Sickness, Electric, Fire, and Cold Debuffs.

Sickness and Fire are the only ones that are like... useable for the whole game though

[indigo glade]

Electric is getting more love soon.

[split mortar]

Calamity Pokémon types are canon

[spare pier]

Plantera - Gain a 200% attack boost below 50% health, but become unable to use Special Attacks
Cal Clone - Will use a random Fire Move every other turn
Levana - When both on the field at the same time, receive a 50% stat boost
Astrum Aureus - 100% extra defense and special defense, however will not attack every 2 turns
Golem - Receives a 50% attack boost under Sunny Day
PBG - If it kills an opposing Pokémon while having no partner, receive that Pokémon to your team temporarily (also if it kills a Pokémon, will catch it)
Empress of Light - 200% attack boost while under Sunny Day, however will exhaust it instantly
Duke Fishron - Receive 20% evasion under Rain
Ravager - If it kills a Pokémon, become able to use one of its attacks in the next turn
Lunatic Cultist - 100% evasion chance every 2 turns
Astrum Deus - Pokémon cannot receive stat changes while he's on the field
Moon Lord - Will deal 33% of damage to the other target regardless of attack, and double hitting attacks deal 75% damage instead of 50%

[true hatch]

DoG's type is bitchass because he's immune to everything (Cringe)

Calamitas and Yharon are based because they have Thematic Immunities

[spare pier]

And finally

Post ML

[split mortar]

Yeah moonlords makes sense with it fighting a civilisation

[pliant ruin]

holy shit its still going

abiltiies now??? godamn!!!

[indigo glade]

Hi Cheese.

[split mortar]

Didn’t expect aureus to get the slaking treatment (I think that’s the strong poke no n that’s every other turn)

[solar wharf]

i did a similar thing with godzillas but did it alongside competitiveness

[pliant ruin]

hi : D

[split mortar]

Plantera a fits quite well

[true hatch]

Aureus: Truant, but slightly less bad
Golem: Worse Orichalcum Pulse
EoL: I do love my attacks doing 12x more damage for minimal cost
Duke: Snow Cloak but wet
Lunatic Cultist: Blood Moon Ursaluna is coming
Deus: Oblivious but reversed

[split mortar]

Pbg kidnapping animals are funny

[solar wharf]

aureus ability is busted depending on how you do stats

[split mortar]

Oh eol ain’t attack speed

Jeeze that seems busted

[solar wharf]

especially if you give him any form of recovery

[split mortar]

Calamity Pokémon fan game when

[true hatch]

Nope. It's still Truant. Truant is fucking turbo garbage. Literally just press Protect every 2nd turn and it can't do shit

Doesn't matter if it can't die, just kill its partner and then setup on it

[split mortar]

Aren’t there things that bypass protect

[solar wharf]

its not truant, truant is alternative turn, not 2 turns

[true hatch]

They're weak as fuck and still makes Truant nearly unuseable.

The only exception is Urshifu's ability, which is bonkers OP

[solar wharf]

you cant abuse protect against that

• even if you could, assuming you give him similar stats to slacking, that ability will make him unkillable

he'd be sent to ubers right away because ou would lack wall breakers

[indigo glade]

Simply a 50% chance to abuse it.

[solar wharf]

against a target that cant die, ur guarnteed to lose

[split mortar]

Left overs on aureus about to go wild

[true hatch]

Ubers.

Smogon.

I'm not talking about Singles because I don't like Singles. Because Singles is shit

I'm talking about VGC, which is the only format worth talking about competitively, hence why it's the official format

[sinful adder]

I think moon lord would be poison type. I'm not sure why

[sinful adder]

bruh really

[split mortar]

Why is singles bad?

[solar wharf]

i dont play VGC because i love the chaotic state of singles

[sinful adder]

I don't think things being official should matter

[solar wharf]

obviously in vgc busted mons tend to not be busted and non busted ones can be busted

incineroar in singles is literally NU

[true hatch]

It's inherently a less balanced game

[split mortar]

Oh

[true hatch]

Stall is significantly stronger in Singles.

Stall in Singles is nearly meta all the time.

Stall in VGC is unuseable almost

[solar wharf]

both gamemodes are unbalanced, i'd argue singles arent that far off from vgc in experience, vgc simply seems less because skill instead of prediction is way more at play

compared to singles

[solar wharf]

stall is easy to break nowadays tbf

[true hatch]

"Skill instead of luck is why it's different, but it's still just as unbalanced as the other one"

No, when it's more about skill than luck, it's inherently more balanced because of that

[solar wharf]

thats not really how it works, balance is between mons, not how a game is played

[true hatch]

Anyway Aureus definitely falls into the "Would sweep Singles and be pathetic in doubles" category

[solar wharf]

in OU the only mon that is stupid is zamzenta, kingambit can be argued too but thats a controverisal topic

[split mortar]

Aureus being annoying just like in game

[true hatch]

Skill Swap might actually make Aureus ok in Doubles, now that I think about it

[tall crest]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

its been a while. i missed him

[solar wharf]

that would take away his 100% boost to defenses

[indigo glade]

Stockholm Syndrome.

[solar wharf]

it defeats the point

[split mortar]

you are not kana

[solar wharf]

ig u could give it to another moan

mon*

[tall crest]

kana isnt here to post it so someone has to be a brave soldier and step in

[split mortar]

Kana better explode you next time they exists

[true hatch]

Yes. Here's the thing. Like Huge Power, Pokemon with that ability typically have fairly pathetic defensive stats innately, to make up for the boost.

Give it to a pokemon that already has fairly cracked defensive stats, and watch them Body Slam everything that isn't a Ghost Type (Except it's still Truant so they just Protect every time they can)

[solar wharf]

body press i assume you mean ye

[true hatch]

I thought it was Press and then my brain went "Nah it's slam"

[solar wharf]

wouldnt say that would be busted, its moreso about the fact that it would be unkillable

[split mortar]

If stats are weakened for the ability why have that ability and not just buff the Pokémon

[solar wharf]

assuming it has recovery

[spare pier]

Profaned Guardians - Receive extra Attack after using a Physical Attack, extra Defense and Special Defense after using a defensive or status move, and extra Special Attack after using a Special Attack (Aegislah)
Dragonfolly - Every two turns will launch an extra Electric Attack alongside its own attack
Providence - Every Fire attack will cause Burn, and every Flying Pokémon on the field loses its Flying Type
Signus - Deals 25% extra damage while using priority moves
Weaver - Can only be hit by super effective moves. After being hit by one, receive 100% extra speed
Ceaseless Void - Once killed, will stay alive for one extra turn
Polterghast - If it kills a target, receive an extra 25% STAB bonus to Ghost
DoG - Bite moves deal 200% extra damage
Yharon - Revives on death with 50% extra stats, however every move takes 25% of its health
SCal - Fire and Dark Moves have 100% extra power, however loses 33% Special Attack for every time they are used in sequence
Ares - Multi Hit attacks have no damage reduction
Thanatos - 200% extra Defense and Special Defense, however every 2 turns turn that into a 200% LESS Defense and Special Defense.
Artemis and Apollo - 100% extra status when both on the field, however if one dies, both do

[true hatch]

Skill Swap exists

[solar wharf]

iron defense is already a move that does what you say without needing you to scarifice a turn, zamzenta can run it at 143 speed

[spare pier]

And for the funny three

[solar wharf]

but unlike iron defense, skill swap with aureus buffs the shit out of ur spdef, so thats worth it

[true hatch]

Thing is, you're capped at 4x defense with Iron Defense.

This ability would go even higher than that

Because it's not a stat change

[solar wharf]

ur capped at 2x with the ability too?

unless u mean combining it with idef

as well

[true hatch]

They stack.

8x total

[solar wharf]

which yeah that works

[true hatch]

Profaned Guardians: Aegislash

That's not how Aegislash works

Its base stats change, it doesn't get a boost

[split mortar]

Weaver is just shedinja but level 2

[true hatch]

Providence just gets Toxic Chain but actually fucking broken instead of just kind of ok

[split mortar]

Makes sense she is a hated being mighty as well make her hated in vgc

[solar wharf]

toxic chain apply to every attack, but since its burn i would agree

any physical mon nightmar

e

[split mortar]

The ceaseless one seems unique

[true hatch]

Toxic Chain isn't even every attack, it's a 30% chance

[solar wharf]

i meant it works on every attack

[spare pier]

Yharim - Every Fist attack will cause the opposing Pokémon to be stunned
Noxus -
Xeroc - Sets up up Sunny Day on entrance that cannot be removed, all of his attacks have Fire Effectiveness and are boosted by Sunny Day

I cannot think of anything for Noxus that wouldn't be a spoiler

[true hatch]

Xeroc:

Orichalcum Pulse but arguably worse

Lol

[split mortar]

Could have replaced noxus with like Jared or old duke instead of teasing us like that

[solar wharf]

hey

[spare pier]

I FORGOT OLD DUKE

[solar wharf]

atleast he'd probably have stab on fire moves1!!

doing old duke dirty, i cant believe this

[spare pier]

When I mean "Fire Effectiveness", I mean only the positives, and it's additive

So if he uses a Poison Move, it'd count as a Fire and Poison Move, however it would not apply resistances

[solar wharf]

ye thats why its worse than koraidons

koraidons is just an outright boost

[spare pier]

It would, however, apply both weaknesses

[solar wharf]

ig xeroc would just be lokix but ubers tier!!

because nothing would be able to wall it thru resistences

[spare pier]

So if a Pokémon has a Weakness to Fire and the type of the move he used, it would deal 4X damage

[solar wharf]

ye, tinted lins

[split mortar]

Such slander of a good boss is what I’d say if I remembered their fight

[solar wharf]

thats what lokix already does

[true hatch]

Every time I see people try to make pokemon abilities

I go "Thank fuck none of you are working at Game Freak"

[spare pier]

Also, might as well add this part

[solar wharf]

he goes in with a band/scarf, presses a move, you switch to a resistence, that resistence doesnt do shit

cuz tinted lens ignores

[spare pier]

Sets up up Sunny Day on entrance that cannot be removed

So, basically

All of his attacks have an extra 50% power while he's on the field

[solar wharf]

is that just primal groudons or does it stay even after he switches

?

[spare pier]

And they have the funny Fire interactions

[split mortar]

Going to be hard to remove the sun from the sun god so makes sense

[spare pier]

As for Old Duke

[true hatch]

Most balanced fakemon:

[solar wharf]

would literally be unwallable ye

"KYOGRE GO"

"its effective!"

"Huh?"

[spare pier]

Old Duke - When Poisoned, become 50% faster and have a 25% evasion chance, however skip attack every 3 turns

Primordial Wyrm - If a Pokémon evades its attacks, instantly kill them

[sinful adder]

So Xeroc has the best parts of Orichalcum pulse and Desolate Land, basically

[solar wharf]

that would automatically get banned from most formats

[split mortar]

Pfft, ofcourse

[solar wharf]

LMAO

that sounds so fucking funny to have

[true hatch]

Basically everything they've said is just "Wow this is an instant ban" or "wow this fucking sucks"

[spare pier]

I know!

That's the funny part

[sinful adder]

Pokemon handles that by giving the pokemon an attack boost instead of making the attacks effective

[solar wharf]

old duke is a mix of the 2, its sucks but like

evasion boost would get it banned

well not sucks, just not good

[spare pier]

Me equipping my Primordial Wyrm with four IK moves

[solar wharf]

sometimes you understimitate how bulky a mon is, the amount of times i had 3x attack and still hit like a bitch is crazy

i need to use my calcs more

[true hatch]

Also what the fuck is your obsession with Truant-like abilities

People fucking hate Truant

[solar wharf]

ye you should focus on slow start trust me

[spare pier]

Because I'm not trying to make anything balanced, I am simply trying to replicate how the Boss works

Aureus has a Truant-like because every now and then it will stop for a while to rest. Same for Old Duke

[solar wharf]

i cant believe regigigas when added to a game with no abilities, STILL got slow start built onto him

[sinful adder]

yeah, Koraidon has this ability

[solar wharf]

gamefreak wanted that fucker unviable

[sinful adder]

its crazy

hold on

[true hatch]

That's not how Orichalcum Pulse works

[solar wharf]

its 33% but it is crazy

in singles obviously, in vgc pure brute power doesnt work

[spare pier]

I can explain all of these abilities in a sec

[split mortar]

Explaines why early game was less busted if not bad then endgame has
“Oh you dodged?” explodes you with mind

[solar wharf]

you need more

[true hatch]

best use for Koraidon is setting up free Protosynthesis

[sinful adder]

its almost the same, not quite.

[solar wharf]

ye moraidon who got banned from national dex ubers to AG isnt even that good of an uber there

[true hatch]

Also I'm so glad Gamefreak made held items non-consumable in battle.

I'm very happy I get to use Flutter Mane without having to collect 50 thousand Booster Energies

[spare pier]

King Slime - It's a slime. It devours and assimilates things, so it recovers HP on kill
Desert Scourge - It Digs a lot so Dig has more power
Eye of Cthulhu - Second phase
Crabulon - It's dead
Eater of Worlds - It splits
Brain of Cthulhu - First phase involves dealing no damage to the Brain itself
Hive Mind - Hive Mind
Perforators - Being hit makes it release the worms, which attack back
Queen Bee - It's a Queen Bee
Skeletron - Hands
Slime God - Buffing Paladins
Wall of Flesh - If you don't kill it fast enough, it instantly kills you

[split mortar]

Yeah they make lot of sense

[sinful adder]

this guy is crazy

Zetatros but real

and he's also a bike

[spare pier]

Queen Slime - Second Phase
Brimmy - She's literally made out of fire
Aquatic Scourge - It releases poisonous water
Cryogen - The ice shield
Skeletron Prime - The arms
Destroyer - The Probes
Twins - It's Twins man

Plantera - Second phase
Cal Clone - She went insane
Levana - They are a duo Boss
Aureus - It stops to rest for a while during the fight while being a bulky Boss
Golem - He's meant to be a Sun Idol, so he gets stronger under the Sun
PBG - Plague spreading
Empress - Daylight Empress
Duke - Third Phase
Ravager - It's kinda like attaching the bodies of its kills into itself
Cultist - The clone phase
Astrum Deus - He eats Mana, in this case, status changes
Moon Lord - He is deploying the True Eyes

[split mortar]

With how you explained the golem thing, I shall headcanon that’s why golem enrages on surface

[sinful adder]

oh hey, I have a lore question for a character I might write someday. Maybe not exactly a question but just a general wanting to know your thoughts and what it might be like in regards to other characters. I'll wait for you to finish the pokemon talk first though

[spare pier]

Guardians - They are swapping
Folly - It's throwing its children at you
Providence - She has a lot of fire and Icarus' Folly
Signus - He's a shadow assassin
Weaver - First and Second Phase
Void - Final Phase
Polter - It is consuming the souls of its kills
OD - Bro lives in the Sulphurous Sea
DoG - Look at the size of his mouth
Yharon - Dragon of Rebirth
SCal - Her magic fucks her up
Ares - Blender
Thanatos - His entire mechanic
A&A - They die at the same time, but in this case it has a tradeoff
PW - Chaos State
Yharim - Auric Rejection
Noxus -
Xeroc - It's Xeroc

[split mortar]

Idk why but noxus just being empty makes it a bit more ominous

[spare pier]

I'm tired now

[sinful adder]

aw

[split mortar]

Understandable

[sinful adder]

Ok so what if terrarian is robot but acts like person and maybe has soul

[split mortar]

Sounds like a prototype of a normal mech boss

[true hatch]

Yeah, fits along those linges

[spare pier]

You are writing Android 16

[sinful adder]

huh

[spare pier]

That was meant to come off as a joke

[sinful adder]

(see pfp)

oh yeah, how does yharim's telepathy thing work, if its canon. Does he have a crystal ball he looks at you through and yells at?

hmm.
...what if the terrarian is telepathic and reading yharim's mind

or like, yharim just has a really "loud" soul that the player "hears"

anyways, robot guy: I'm wondering how different characters would act given that sort of situation. I imagine yharim would be unsettled at least, and draedon would be especially interested

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim doesn't have telepathy and lore items currently make no sense

Simple as that

[sinful adder]

Consider: magic mirrors and crystal balls exist and are canon

It would make sense from a tactical perspective for yharim to be able to like, talk to commanders over a crystal ball or whatever

[real silo]

yharim calls terrarian's name three times at the mirror mirror on the wall

[cosmic zenith]

Do the lore items look lile Crystal Balls? (No)

[sleek halo]

I mean I assume that he can talk to Yhaeon vaguely like that

[cosmic zenith]

But that's more or less the gist of a lore item rework - making the presentation canonically explainable (among other things)

[sleek halo]

or maybe they can moreso communicate feelings

[spring helm]

What are they then

[sleek halo]

than thoughts

[cosmic zenith]

Because they're attuned

[sleek halo]

true

[sinful adder]

That's just what we see, he could make them via a crystal ball on his end

[real silo]

this is silly

[cosmic zenith]

It's still a really stretched explanation for the current state of lore items

But you more or less guessed the lore item rework I suggested

[cosmic zenith]

?

[spring helm]

He calls you on shell phone

[real silo]

Just saying trying to come up with an explanation for it is silly

when it's clearly not final

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, pretty much

It's unecessary to explain it in its current form

[sinful adder]

Yeah that is more reasonable

[spring helm]

Wait so is it still Yharim who will be explaining lore or nah

[cosmic zenith]

The Yharim lore items will still exist
But they're already not the only lore item (as in, source of lore), and as the lore progresses, they'll be less and less of the whole

[spring helm]

That’s cool

[cosmic zenith]

When we're done with the mod, it'll be just one source among several

[cosmic zenith]

Of course, they won't necessarily be items
I suggested it being something like a (single) crystal ball through which Yharim can talk to you in the necessary moments

[sleek halo]

Idk why but I just imagined a little fairy

[cosmic zenith]

Which also gives us more freedom to determine the dialogue triggers than just "boss defeated"

[sleek halo]

like the one in zelda that just goes “Hey, Link, listen!”

[cosmic zenith]

For example, Brimstone Crags' entry could be played once you enter the Crags for the first time

[sleek halo]

but it’s just Yharim on the otherside

[spring helm]

“Terrarian, it’s been a hot minute but some guy I’ve been trying to kill for a while is close to you. It’s Slime God, they’re very good at running away so make sure to finish them off properly.”

[real silo]

Yharim the annoying narrator

[spring helm]

Yharim but he’s the narrator from Slay the Princess

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim and Fanny collab when

The good ending

[real silo]

Yharim voiced by lenval brown

or stephan weyte

[magic epoch]

yharon voiced by jack black

draedon voiced by ryan renolds

[real silo]

draedon's voice is gianni

[cosmic zenith]

Calamitas voiced by Chris Pratt

[sinful adder]

Problem: I can't imagine yharim actually wanting to speak to you in certain circumstances, so it would make more sense for his words to be written down, or recorded, somehow

Maybe he teleports magic voice recordings to you or something

More generally, it feels really weird that yharim would be watching you for your entire journey

[faint plank]

yummers

[latent bolt]

devourer of gods voiced by keith david

[warm gull]

I mean if he wants to speak to you after you kill yharon then I can't imagine a circumstance in which he wouldn't

[warm gull]

uhh replace mario with calamitas

pseudomeme

[sinful adder]

I guess so, but it's still really weird how he acts

[warm gull]

he's just like

really depressed

and he's channeling that into trying to shape you as his successor

[gaunt sluice]

petition to add voice lines to when you pick up the lore items

[untold oracle]

Get out of my head!!!

[gaunt sluice]

He just kinda blabbers in the background

[warm gull]

I remeber..... yoyr'e calamities.....

[gaunt sluice]

yro'ue

[pliant ruin]

m

[scenic olive]

the only voice thing you need from calamity is a magic tome that uses voice recognition and have you spell it out loud to cast the magic

[warm gull]

I need yharim fully voice-acted whispering those sweet sweet lore items in my ear

actually

so don't be so quick to judge what others need alright?

[cloud ibex]

Currently judging you rn

[warm gull]

gets judged :3

[untold oracle]

Judgement

[royal solar]

Thy end is now! Weak! Prepare thyself!

[scenic olive]

Yhasmr

[warm gull]

yeah literally

[untold oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/die-thy-end-is-now-gif-7461731436631923081

[split mortar]

Someone just falls from the ceiling

[autumn mirage]

Bro just wasn't strong enough

[sleek halo]

[trim edge]

it would be distant yelling

[woeful patio]

Yharim narrating the story of the boss we just ass kicked like a national geographic show

[deft vessel]

Ngl cats are definitely aliens

[split mortar]

Owls

[random mulch]

scooging up a skull of a scoog cause i can do whatever i want

[split mortar]

Fair

Good skull

[random mulch]

also i wanna give a try at making sconge's head a bit less crescent

byeah some of the things i have for this is things like the front eyes being more developed for targetting prey and the other eyes being simpler but allowing it to see from more angles

[sleek halo]

you could go skull crawler route

giant heat sensors

that or have something showing it be sensitive to vibrations

assumjng it’s desert scroogng

[random mulch]

i'm trying to sorta make a general scoog body plan

cant get the mandible teeth to look right but here's part of their shape

[sleek halo]

Honestly I think desert scroog would be a lot more focused on it’s frontal jaws for digging

while aquatic scrongngoo would have a more streamlined body and jaw structure

[random mulch]

idea is the resting position is closed as it makes a bit of an arrow head shape, which would make moving through water (or sand) easier

[sleek halo]

to allow for less water resistance

I kinda imagine an aquatic srotngnjrc jaw to be like

[random mulch]

aquatic scoog jaw and mandibles would probably have less / smaller teeth

[sleek halo]

Kinda like this

just not as horrific

and only the mandibles split off

[random mulch]

i have an idea for this actually

[sleek halo]

also obv aquatic scortign

being much more massive than

desert sockntjgignntd

cause water, also it needs to fend off much more deadly things

[random mulch]

ok so what if when closed AS' face was pretty flat

[sleek halo]

yeah

streamline

[random mulch]

but

[sleek halo]

but I assume stretchy jaws

to make it open massively

(filter feeder btw…)

[random mulch]

the membrane covering it helps funnel whatever AS is filter feeding on when it's open

[sleek halo]

yeah

[random mulch]

would also be pretty gnarly when fighting it

[sleek halo]

absolutely

[latent bolt]

AS with whale baleen when

[random mulch]

its face is just featureless with a couple eyes but when you get close it almost looks like it splits open

[sleek halo]

Honestly I imagine as would have also a different method

of makjng things fuck off

size would be one

well honestly size is probably all it needs lol

most things don’t tend to go near something that’s massive

[deft vessel]

Subnautica mentioned!!!

[sleek halo]

real

he should have tiny flippers….

adaptation to water

[random mulch]

also i kinda wanna really push the sea serpent look for scourges

having fins be a big part of the silhouette and stuff

[deft vessel]

Having some sort of a back fin could help

[sleek halo]

Yea

[random mulch]

yeah that kinda stuff

[sleek halo]

I imagine as species diverged from a similar species of ds

but probably a long time ago

so it’d still breathe air

[random mulch]

considering the mammal like skull of the official scoog they're probably similar to cetaceans

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[deft vessel]

It could be interesting if it had tiny feet

[sleek halo]

That’s horrifying

I’d imagine ds has a lot of little scoops tho

especially at the front

[random mulch]

whales still have remnants of feet from when they were on land

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[random mulch]

and even a small pelvic bone

[deft vessel]

I mean they would help burrowing trough sand

[sleek halo]

well the flippers

are the remnants

but the pelvic bone is so

absurdly small

few more million years and it’ll likely just be gone

But yeah I’d say AS would still hve

features

[random mulch]

whales literally have an ulna and a radius

[sleek halo]

of a land animal

[random mulch]

and fingers

[sleek halo]

I imagine DS as a like

Semi aquatic creature

but it has to be fully on land cause the water got trolled

what if you wanted to swim, but scal said nuh uh

Do y’all think ds eats sand

just has to consume it

[random mulch]

that's how it moves
just eats sand very fast

[sleek halo]

silly sand eater

[deft vessel]

Mady like one of those crabs

[random mulch]

finally managed to teeth

[sleek halo]

yippie

You’re gonna need to add uhh something to it’s eyes to show it can

close them or block sand out

when tunneling