lore-discussion

[scenic olive]

he gets his powers from the sun apparently

[earnest flare]

and thats ridiculous

even at the start of new lore that would be out of reach

what else

[scenic olive]

What are we talking about here

Boss rush?

[earnest flare]

ok so if he just replaced the electricity in the human body with his own in order to make you see pure black

that would be human level in power

thats too much of a lowball

[earnest flare]

moon lord turning the sky pure black

[scenic olive]

Oh

Maybe his presence alone passively absorbs energy from the area

[earnest flare]

if he absorbed all light the terrarian would be able to see...

[scenic olive]

i mean it would make sense, he basically invades worlds for lunch

[earnest flare]

it would probably only put him at like

city block level

[delicate oak]

which vanilla events are not canon to calamity's lore? (like old one's army, frost and pumpkin moons)

[earnest flare]

and i still think thats a lowball

[earnest flare]

80% of the eclipse

[scenic olive]

Ok but how does terrarian see ML if he absorbs all the light

[mighty zenith]

eclipse enemies, entirety of pumpkin and frost moons, old one's army and i believe frost legion?

[earnest flare]

good point

[scenic olive]

idk about this but Moonlord can heal himself right?

[earnest flare]

yes

[scenic olive]

that is wild

[delicate oak]

since were getting a vanilla bestiary rewrite (to make them lore accurate) soon, i think were getting informations for creatures that are not mentioned in calamity lore

[earnest flare]

dont say soon

[delicate oak]

but exists in vanilla terraria

[scenic olive]

If my theory about the moon appearance is correct

[earnest flare]

at this point im not even sure if it'll happen

[scenic olive]

The moon changes depending on how strong the magic that is present in the area

Pillars moon are exceptionally big

[delicate oak]

if torch god was canon, what dragon did the torch god consume?

[sinful adder]

we aren't probably

[hasty valley]

a suspiciously bright dragon prolly

[sinful adder]

most likely we will get a handful of changes to remove things that obviously conflict

[earnest flare]

a canon torch god is xeroc if he didnt get a pure ascension tbh

[scenic olive]

Then moonlord having no moon or anything in the background is just a lack of any magic in the area

[earnest flare]

bro is all muscle

[scenic olive]

hes so strong he absorbs all the magic in the area leaving a void wherever he goes

[earnest flare]

idk personally i think the pillar backgrounds are illusions

the pillars like, very clearly mess with your mind

[scenic olive]

Thats..

actually not far off from my theory

the thing is that moon doesnt actually change

its how you perceive the moon that changes

[real silo]

putting a filter on the moon

[wheat walrus]

https://youtu.be/Nj9Bght_erI?si=2kEuX6mzEPkDjfOa

Silva

[woeful patio]

💀

That's crazy

[warm gull]

even flow

thoughts arrive like butterflies

[woeful patio]

Oh, he don't know,

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[lone moss]

Torch God is likely its own entity, being a minor primordial being (predating Deific era by a long shot (and probably even Draconic one)).

A sentient anomaly basically (with its domain being torches of all things), which merely wants that:

1. Torches aren't spammed for no good reason.
2. Torches match the biome they're in.

[warm gull]

redigit is the torch god

[scenic olive]

torch god is actually zeratros

[hoary berry]

yharon messed up and revived zeratros as a living torch

he fakes hating xeroc to cover it up

xeroc is actually just super strong without being a god

[random mulch]

terminus makes the soul properties of the dragon and person swap

xeroc got the auric soul of light and zeratros got reduced to a torch

[split mortar]

And also probably that torches don’t run out of fuel hence why they last forever

[fading sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568192082473386020/1271986996512034857/InShot_20240811_052152977.gif

[hoary berry]

actual jumpscare wtf

[wheat walrus]

horrendous

[fading sun]

Kinda like how Astrum Deus

Ppl call it a god but it's just kinda there

[lone moss]

Exactly.

[sinful adder]

I like this explanation

Elemental of... Guidance, or clarity, or truth, or something

Also

[keen hearth]

This reminds me of a drawing of mine

[delicate oak]

would the empress of light be an elemental?

i mean her themes are rainbow/light and she looks feminine just like the other elementals

[split mortar]

She isn’t made of light so I don’t think so

[delicate oak]

yeah makes sense

though anahita isnt made out of water but she can control (some of) the oceans

[maiden girder]

Earth elemental

[delicate oak]

well except that

[sinful adder]

She might be

Earth elemental is a fake elemental

[delicate oak]

i mean shes probably a fish species

[sinful adder]

No, she's an elemental

She's not biological

She just looks like a fish

[delicate oak]

so the player is hallucinating her looking like fish?

but actually shes made out of water

[sinful adder]

No, she's shaped like a fish

But she's made of water and magic

Or maybe some rocks or ice

[delicate oak]

maybe like shes made out of some sort of tofu

or you know what she could be a very soft rock

[split mortar]

I assumed she was made of water but had such control on her body that she could make it look like it had textures like a fish

[delicate oak]

i think shes actually made out of supercooled molten rocks

the molten rocks should be cold enough to solidify but its kinda like supercooled water where you have to shake it to crystallize

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-1085544295074166927

[maiden girder]

Why

Earth elemental is probably more literal than the blue powerade one

[hoary berry]

After the Brimstone Elemental became dormant, the forgemasters of Azafure used clockwork and crystal to bind the powers of an elemental to a mechanical body. While formidable, it seems the dream of creating a true replacement for an elemental died unfulfilled with Azafure itself.

[maiden girder]

They made the earth elemental like the lizards with golem

[split mortar]

Yup

[fading sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568192082473386020/1271986996512034857/InShot_20240811_052152977.gif

[fallow ingot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalamityMod/s/N7Al87bIIp

This feels completely arbitrary and made up

Just for the sake of trying to make it seem real

[split mortar]

Scal is fought at the same tier, can be before or after

[mighty zenith]

calsub loves their mgr references

so ofc they'll force them into literally every crevisce of the mod

the only one that makes sense is the first one

[jaunty wraith]

Also in two fights?

Calclone is a completely different character then calamitas

[frozen zodiac]

how paranoid were the lihzahrd that their temple usually has over 35 pressure plates wired to traps was this yharim's fault or

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim said he viewed lihzards as beneath him and his people and has no reason to tamper with their affairs

[scenic olive]

That ML face literally reminds me of the wise tree

[jaunty wraith]

(despite how disgusting he finds the golem)

[scenic olive]

Bro is expert

at racism

I wonder if he also see azafurian as lower than him

[jaunty wraith]

I know, Ive been casually racist while he's been competitive

[jaunty wraith]

He did acknowledge they had advanced magic and technology and Influence on the world, so he must have at least some respect for them

[scenic olive]

i feel like yharim only sees them as tools that can further assist him in his crusade

not actual people

[split mortar]

Scal is azafurian so I doubt it, only thing I can think why he would view them as lower was their idolisation of brimmy but she isn’t a god

[scenic olive]

heck i dont think he sees anyone other than Yharon as a friend/people

[split mortar]

He did send scal to kill perma because he just left (granted this was at his “lowest”

[scenic olive]

He kinda uses her

[fading sun]

https://tenor.com/view/freakbob-calling-spongebob-freak-freaky-gif-12584863174436367780

[split mortar]

He shows some regret at hurting her with the “treat her with respect where I have not” or what

[cloud ibex]

afaik he himself could be azafurian

we don't really know

[scenic olive]

nahhhh

[split mortar]

Do we know what he was?

[scenic olive]

i bet you

he wont be azafurian

[fading sun]

I doubt that

Also he seems to somewhat admire azafure

Like he describes it as so cool and great and stuff

[split mortar]

Yeah I think he does view azafure as fine

[cloud ibex]

friend? yeah that checks out, i doubt neither yharim nor yharon truly trust anybody other than each other

[warm gull]

literally me

[cloud ibex]

but i kinda doubt he sees people in general (outside of god worshippers) as beneath him

[scenic olive]

i would also describe my army as cool and great and stuff

[split mortar]

Right so he would view azafure as not beneath him

[fading sun]

Nobody said azafure is his army

😭

Stop being wrong

[pliant ruin]

this is a massive reach yeah

cal isn't arrogant

[cloud ibex]

the way i see it, he would say that all people ae equal unless they worship gods, in which case they're supporters of genocide in his eyes and deserve to be collectively shoved into a meat grinder

[scenic olive]

ok but did i say it was his army

[fading sun]

Kinda is during the fight

[pliant ruin]

cal being arrogant and antisocial is not actually her canon personality, it is a unfortunate case of undertale syndrome

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

Yeah you did

[pliant ruin]

yknow how people entirely mischaracterize sans? yeah

[fading sun]

You worded it like that

[pliant ruin]

cal has that

she has undertale syndrome

[scenic olive]

Would you be so kind to tell me when did i do it

[fading sun]

This message

[scenic olive]

I said my army not his army

i could say other thing like my weapon

[cloud ibex]

no reason for him to make people within his spheres of control hate each other when there's a much more convenient for him category of people they could hate instead

[fading sun]

"also"

[pliant ruin]

also cal isn't even

"freed" after fighting with you

what does that even mean

[fading sun]

Idk

She uh

She stops using her magic for evil

Or something

[pliant ruin]

she hasn't done that in years

[rotund shore]

I mean she hasn't been doing evil shit since she left yharim

[fading sun]

Shurr up mamn

[pliant ruin]

by the time you fight her she already left yharim a really long time ago

its a massive reach

[fading sun]

She does do evil shit to you tho

Fr

[scenic olive]

My bad it seems that i make a bad comparison

I couldve said something other than army

More like a weapon

[fading sun]

Man shurr up mann

[pliant ruin]

calamity mod community dont compare literally everything to metal gear challenge

[scenic olive]

why

i have a right to speak

[rotund shore]

When you think about it, calamitas stands, this is a reference to that one song used in metal gear rising
this joke is dumb

[fading sun]

You don't seem to be in a voice channel rn

[split mortar]

She thought you were yharim 2

[scenic olive]

you are correct

[fading sun]

You might have the right to speak but no one said you can write

[scenic olive]

maybe we should bring this to vc

[warm gull]

standing here

I'm standing here

[split mortar]

So she thought she was stopping a evil force before she could stop it

[cloud ibex]

sentenced to the Tube

[scenic olive]

Maybe #VC lore when

[fading sun]

Nah bro I'm under a table

[split mortar]

You can talk while under there

[warm gull]

They're hiding from the feds

[fading sun]

Underwear

[scenic olive]

still

[fading sun]

I'm the only one here tho??

[scenic olive]

A tool is a tool

[split mortar]

Who said you’re alone?

Certainly not us

[fading sun]

My eyes

[scenic olive]

and azafure is a magnificent tool to have

[split mortar]

Get better ones

[warm gull]

either you're good at hiding or the feds are very good at their job

[cloud ibex]

they never belonged to you anyways

[pliant ruin]

you see, calamity mod adds a enemy called "sunskater"

the "sun" in its name is actually a reference to the song "red sun" from metal gear rising re

[warm gull]

sunskaters make literally no sense

[split mortar]

It’s litteraly the most useful a city can be, far beyond any other city in industrialisation and is the largest city

So yeah def a good tool

[warm gull]

tbf most regular cal enemies are kind of random

[fading sun]

Bro is gonna go crazy when he finds the shadowspec sword

[pliant ruin]

who is bro

who is he

[scenic olive]

who are you

[cloud ibex]

oh you know

He

[scenic olive]

He

El Gato

[split mortar]

He

Jared

[split mortar]

Also what shadowspec sword? There’s multiple

[rotund shore]

the one named red sun

[fading sun]

Oh shit my bad

[scenic olive]

I think hes talking about THE shadowspec sword

[split mortar]

Ah right

[split mortar]

Yes, just like iron broadsword there is such a thing like shadowspec sword

Totally

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255908489881063445/1266374796883656744/youd.gif

[scenic olive]

The arrow points to your username

[rotund shore]

erm shadowspec is NON-CANON, we shouldn't be talking about it in lore discussion 🤓

[scenic olive]

Make it canon

what does it take

[pliant ruin]

shadowspec is canon now

i said so

[split mortar]

Turns out yharim has shadowspec hence why we get it after the final boss

[scenic olive]

to un uncanon something

[rotund shore]

oh fair cheese

[cloud ibex]

sorry cheese you're being vetoed

i don't make the rules

[pliant ruin]

D:

[split mortar]

I do, cheese isn’t betoed

[scenic olive]

Just like they make the iridescent excalibur

[split mortar]

That doesn’t use shadowspec and thus canon

[pliant ruin]

i have to get going soon

[rotund shore]

cheese will be velveetoed
get it? like, velveeta cheese?

[pliant ruin]

i should eat something

[scenic olive]

canonified

[rotund shore]

ill see myself out

[pliant ruin]

before i go

im hungry

[scenic olive]

eat yourself

[pliant ruin]

but then i'll die

[scenic olive]

i think its called

Autophagy

[fading sun]

Ik

[split mortar]

Eat the yellow worms, get the best food ever

[fading sun]

Butrt.r.

Yharim doent exirr??

[split mortar]

Not yet

But when he is added

[rotund shore]

could calamitas make a good grilled cheese sandwich

[split mortar]

He will be final boss

[scenic olive]

Things that will happen to calamity if Yharim didnt exist

[split mortar]

Only if the grilled cheese can handle the sun

[scenic olive]

Number 1

[fading sun]

Guh?

[scenic olive]

Nothing

Yharim is not real guys

[split mortar]

Yes he is

[fading sun]

I'm a pro

[split mortar]

Who does yharon refer to in the phase two song

[scenic olive]

Its actually uhh

[fading sun]

Charcoal

[scenic olive]

John

John wulfrum

[split mortar]

Yeah John wulfrum yharim

[scenic olive]

[split mortar]

People are just polite

And refers to his last name

[fading sun]

Someone else

[rotund shore]

I still have the conspiracy theory that john wulfrum is actually wagstaff don't starve, with my one piece of evidence

[split mortar]

Yeah John wulfrum yharim

[fading sun]

He never says "yharim" in the song

[scenic olive]

What is this we in the swedish or smth

[fading sun]

https://tenor.com/view/canadian-riot-push-trash-can-run-run-away-gif-17671810

[split mortar]

We’re in the 18 hundreds,

In calamity

[cloud ibex]

i think it's funny to imagine that she's an absolute girlfailure because when she was still in yharim's ranks she had servants to deal with shit like cooking or cleaning so she never learned how to do it

[scenic olive]

shes already a failure

[fading sun]

Nah nah

She like

Kills fishrons or something

And cuz she kills with fire

It cooks them

[cloud ibex]

the player goes to visit her and finds her sobbing uncontrollably over a charred egg on the stove

[rotund shore]

why would she kill fishrons thas mean

[fading sun]

That's an example

[scenic olive]

Fishrons are

[fading sun]

I mean like

[split mortar]

She can create necromantic things to do her laundry and stuff, so hopefully she doesn’t fuck up too much with that

[scenic olive]

Uhh

Full in cholesterol

[fading sun]

Anything tough enough not to be utterly turned to ash

[split mortar]

Though being close to others may mean she can’t have them since she does create a lot of fire when using magic

[fading sun]

I doubt a plate that has corpse stuff all over it is gonna be very pleasant to eat from

[scenic olive]

What if Yharon is not real

[fading sun]

Fr

[scenic olive]

and the terrarian and yharim are just imagining him

[fading sun]

The current sprite isn't cannon or smth

He doesn't exist

[cloud ibex]

another thing i find funny to imagine is that she feels weird about straight up ordering the brothers around when not in combat so she always gently and politely asks them to do things despite the fact that they're mindless constructs at this point

[fading sun]

Collective hallucination fr

[split mortar]

Where’s the get real yharon gif

[fading sun]

Doubt it

She actively mocks them when spawning them in refights

[split mortar]

Isn’t her boss dialogue out dated

[cloud ibex]

she goes "hey sorry to bother you but could you please lift the couch for me i think i dropped something" and catastrophe immediately hucks the couch through the ceiling

she spends the next few days with a hole in her roof because she's too embarrassed to ask the player to fix it

[scenic olive]

Catastrophe

Is a cat

And so is Cataclysm

[cloud ibex]

wait right catastrophe is the sword guy isn't he

fuck

[scenic olive]

I only remember cataclysm as the red guy

[cloud ibex]

i always get those confused because for whatever reason cataclysm feels more like a Sword Guy name and catastrophe feels more like a Punch Guy

[scenic olive]

Wait theyre all red

[fading sun]

My damn toddler sister just hit me in the eye with a toy cup

[fading sun]

Fr

[split mortar]

Yeah same, for me cataclysm just feels like the more sharp one so I attach the sword guy to it

[hoary berry]

the names feel fitting to me because of the sharp 's' sound in catastrophe and how solid cataclysm sounds to me

[split mortar]

And catastrophe as more blunt and forceful

[cloud ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[hoary berry]

exact opposite for me ngl

[split mortar]

I think it’s since cataclysm has a lot of, sharp, pointy? Lot of K and T sound in it whiz is point

[scenic olive]

they both have Cat in their name

Speaking of which

I havent do any progress on the cat boys

[rotund shore]

catlamitas

[hoary berry]

i'm fostering three kittens rn

they're so cute

[mighty zenith]

im taking care of my sister's three cats rn

they're so silly

[split mortar]

Name them calamitas, catastrophe and cataclysm

(Jk)

[hoary berry]

the original owners must have really liked the letter h

they're harriet, heathcliff and hugo

[split mortar]

Oh damn

What’s with people and being around three cats specifically

[rotund shore]

heathcliff is a based name tbh

[split mortar]

It’s a human name

And so is Harriet

I think

[pliant ruin]

W h a t

https://tenor.com/view/heathcliff-limbus-company-bodysack-birthday-birthday-present-gif-17063987034411120887

[hoary berry]

is that something to do with limbus company

someone in genmedia mentioned it when i said the name heathcliff

[scenic olive]

Shouldve named them lamitas aclysm and asthrophe

[trim edge]

catlamitas

[rotund shore]

yeah heathcliff is a limbus character

[pliant ruin]

Yes it's the british from limbud

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-heathcliff-limbus-heathcliff-limbus-heathcliff-read-seven-association-heathcliff-gif-18408854641269246106

[split mortar]

But a good chunk of the internet lacks that already, atleast enough to miss more depth then surface level

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-you'll-get-shoved-in-this-bag-too-bag-heathcliff-gif-16395614556778079201

[split mortar]

Isn’t that basically a weird Roblox game series?

[pliant ruin]

.....Roblox?

[split mortar]

Bring in random shit so shall I

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-meursault-gif-7260110742577417273

[vocal spire]

is yharim a human?

[split mortar]

Yea

[pliant ruin]

Ye

[pliant ruin]

Do NOT call my korean mentally ill gay people game roblox. Warning 1. Continue and i will have to ask mr salt to claim your bones

[split mortar]

Bold of you to assume I care about my bones

[hoary berry]

mr salt sounds like a spooky guy

[split mortar]

But do you?

[pliant ruin]

He's french

[split mortar]

As a Brit, why

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-meursault-rise-eyebrow-gif-14254652990775389014

[hoary berry]

since i'm british that should make me find him very spooky i think
instead i just feel bad for him

[pliant ruin]

He dosen't like being a human being unless his manager tells him to

[hoary berry]

duckpresley???????

[solar wharf]

as an arab, the french are truly scary beings

[hoary berry]

that's a name i haven't seen in a bit

[solar wharf]

hi

[hoary berry]

hello :3

[pliant ruin]

Atleast he's not a ginger who got tired of her job so she decided to get in a boat and hunt whales about it

[vocal spire]

deep calamity lore discussion about the french

🔥

[split mortar]

And limbus

[solar wharf]

i do not know what that references but i truly agree that it is indeed better

to be french

than hunt poor whales to extinction

[split mortar]

Yeah it is

[pliant ruin]

Well the whales are bad

[solar wharf]

oh

[split mortar]

What did they gain the temperament of their cousin the hippo?

[pliant ruin]

No they just do whale things

[solar wharf]

what

[split mortar]

Ah yes the bad whale things like filter feeding

[solar wharf]

is cheese becoming right wing!?!?

does she hate whales walking into her country?!?!

[split mortar]

Oh damn

[pliant ruin]

Like parasitizing humans and turning them into mindless horrors

[solar wharf]

oh

[split mortar]

Those ain’t whale things

[pliant ruin]

Yknow
Normal whale things

[solar wharf]

yeah i wouldnt want that in my country either

[split mortar]

Didn’t know whales took a page out of fungi’s book

[pliant ruin]

Yeah this one grandma decided to hunt a whale but the grandma was evil and insane so we killed her

Well actually she lived somehow but we thought we killed her

[split mortar]

We discussing limbus lore so we’re on topic

[split mortar]

Maybe it has to do with the Cthulhu parasite whales

[solar wharf]

i havent yet played limbus, the great cheese must be disappointed in my blasphemous actions.

[pliant ruin]

The grandma also manifested gaslighting itself as a weapon to kill us

[split mortar]

Maybe the gaslighting was how she survived

Gaslit is to believe she died

[pliant ruin]

Yeah she gaslit us all the time

She's the worsr

Well. One of the worst

She's just as bad as the woman whos racist to robots

[split mortar]

Isn’t that basically every artist?

[pliant ruin]

Who tried to groom one of our guys into being her successor

[split mortar]

Maybe start with that first

Maybe not the normal artist stuff first but the Minecraft YouTuber actions

[pliant ruin]

But then the boyfriend of the guy she wanted to groom killed her

[split mortar]

Deserved

[pliant ruin]

She did commit robot genocide thougg

[split mortar]

Idk how robots are in limbus, are they basically people or something

[pliant ruin]

Yes they're people who replaced their bodies with robot parts

Sh

[split mortar]

Those are cyborgs

Or paraplegics

[pliant ruin]

She thinks they're blasphemous and sinful and etc so she made a religion where they kill them

[split mortar]

I think that’s called a terrorist cult

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but they're legal

So technically not terrorists

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[jaunty wraith]

What even is this image?

[rotund shore]

A version of this image of Josh hutcherson, used in memes associated with the song whistle baby

Is whistle baby the actual name of the song or just the lyrics

I forget

[spring helm]

This is what Yharim has been fighting for

Bees

[split mortar]

Paint it green and that will anger him

[jaunty wraith]

So is there an in-game answer weather you fight exo Mechs or calamitas first?

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

It's up to headcanon, like all player choices

[jaunty wraith]

I just follow the boss checklist

It puts exo Mechs first, so I fight them first

[scenic olive]

Gummy bear

[soft geyser]

It is always this image

[celest kettle]

Protein

[woeful patio]

Couldn't we just use the shimmer?

[spring helm]

Shimmer deconstructs items

Miracle matter does the same but for multiple objects, and then merges them into one

[woeful patio]

Liquid weapon

So it's like cooking soup

Yummers

[north wigeon]

omw to make a soupernova

hrrrng, soup

[edgy geyser]

Pot of pain

Slurp slurp

[lone moss]

How would progression skipper look like from lore-perspective?

[mighty zenith]

ok so

imagine if like
krillin got to namek and immediately went to fight frieza

and won

thats how it'd look like

[sinful adder]

Miracle matter should probably use shimmer considering the similarities to how they work

[real silo]

Added bottomless shimmer bucket to miracle matter recipe

[sinful adder]

I would just go for a single bucket of shimmer

[warm gull]

you can't get a single bucket of shimmer

[mighty zenith]

yeah, its bottomless bucket or nothin

[split mortar]

Shimmer deconstructs them perfectly, miracle matter melds them together and makes a lot of energy

[sinful adder]

Wait really? Huh

I see, I read the wiki

Lore ideas:
Shimmer is the moon Lord's blood, because the bottomless shimmer bucket is crafted with luminite.

[random mulch]

what if shimmer is just an extremely rough naturally forming version of miracle matter

so it can take things apart but cant reconstruct them (mostly)

[sinful adder]

Shimmer shouldn't make you phase through the ground and instead should explode you into a bunch of bones and meat or explode your soul into mana or something

[sinful adder]

It could be, I guess

[random mulch]

it can do a little bit of turning items into new forms but it seems limited compared to miracle matter

[split mortar]

Turns out moonlords blood was miracle matter

[mild hatch]

In Calamity's lore, is the playable area an island, an continent, or is it like the Terrarian and it's up to interpretation?

[real silo]

continent I think

[hoary berry]

we don't know the size of the continent though, or the actual layout of biomes and such afaik

possibly both of those things are up to interpretation, or we just haven't been told yet

[split mortar]

It’s a continent but that’s all I know

[untold oracle]

Isn’t the actual continent much larger than the world looking at the background

[hoary berry]

well yeah, i assume the continent is bigger than a small island

i meant we don't actually have numbers for it

[untold oracle]

Like that the game being 2d and the relative small size of the world are just due to the intrepretation and the limit of the game

[scenic olive]

ok but

what if you shimmer miracle matter

paradox

[split mortar]

Well shimmer doesn’t get deconstructed, meaning either shimmer overpowers miracle matter, is super super stable or doesn’t have anything to be separated and is basically its own element

[maiden girder]

Why didn’t draedon see that yharim would of fucking hated the plague and just made a mechanical locust swarm or something

[pliant ruin]

Here's the neat part
He didnt

He made it pretty clear he to this day dosent understand why yharim got mad

And tbh its not like it would change much if he knew i dont thibk

He don't gaf

[maiden girder]

I mean the plague is a good weapon

Yharim could of kept it under a lot of security

Only in the most dire circumstances

But no

Hissy fit and losing your machine man

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim wouldn't use it if his life depended on it

[woeful patio]

Draedon only turn on the kill switch if it only disturbed his research

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

The Plague is based on cybernetics interacting with biological organisms, so it would inevitably make Yharim mad over animal cruelty
But Draedon doesn't have much reason to care

[maiden girder]

Yharim had so many flaws in his crusade

There was probably one reasonable god that would work with him

[pliant ruin]

There were plenty of reasonable gods

[woeful patio]

Like Slime God

[pliant ruin]

But yharim dosent care because he thinks they're all evil

[maiden girder]

Slime god is just a blob

[pliant ruin]

❌

[maiden girder]

Just keep it in a box

[pliant ruin]

Why do

[woeful patio]

Wdym? bro only here to keep balance of the world

[maiden girder]

Ping pong gel ball

[woeful patio]

[pliant ruin]

People unanimously agree slime god is a good guy

We dont know enough abt it to say that

[cosmic zenith]

Yep

[pliant ruin]

And like

It tries killing us

For seemingly no reason

Twice

Not saying SG is evil but like

[maiden girder]

Scared of people probably

[pliant ruin]

Whars up with everyone seemingly just unanimously agreeing its a good guy when nothing indicates that

[woeful patio]

I feel like the second one make sense like we turn the world unbalance by killing wof

[fading sun]

Yeah but like he killed a dragon...,.,.,. (Who didn't even contribute anything to society)

[maiden girder]

It’s a lizard

[fading sun]

Man this shit is wild

[maiden girder]

Cool lizards

Explains the massive war over cool lizards

Better than cool rocks

[pliant ruin]

If SG atleast lik3

[fading sun]

YOU summon me
YOU kill me
YOU accuse me of attacking you out of nowhere

[pliant ruin]

Stopped fighting us

Sure

But no

[fading sun]

He kinda does tho

[pliant ruin]

It goes on until you kill it

[fading sun]

It like maintains the balance of shit and not shit in the world

Man now that I think about it

[maiden girder]

The aquatic scourge is just a fish

[fading sun]

Providence and slime god aren't that different

[maiden girder]

Why did we kill it

[fading sun]

Like they wanna make everything equal

[pliant ruin]

Like i dont thibk the terrarian did something so evil that itd make a supposedly good guy fight them to death with no room for negotiation

[fading sun]

[random mulch]

providence is an omnicidal maniac

[woeful patio]

Providence want to kill fuckin everything and anything

[maiden girder]

It’s a nasty fish too no good meat

[fading sun]

We did kind oh nvm we didn't even kill Wof yet

[fading sun]

The terraria doesn't give a FUCK

[pliant ruin]

Killing wof isnt that crazy

[fading sun]

Where do you think the corpse goes

[pliant ruin]

Specially when you do 500 other good actions

[fading sun]

Yeah but like

[maiden girder]

Back into detroits canals

[fading sun]

Slime god wants balance via maintaining everything and eating stuff that's out of the balance

[pliant ruin]

Slime god is neutral at best

[woeful patio]

Our existence is so bad and unbalance that SG had to step in

[fading sun]

Providence wants well kinda balance via making everything the same

[fading sun]

Fr

Too op

[maiden girder]

We made a odd sludge

[pliant ruin]

She dosent want balance

[maiden girder]

Definitely not equal

[maiden girder]

She is pyro tf2

[pliant ruin]

She wants world peace and salvation etc

By omnicide, that is

[fading sun]

Man you stupid

Not man

Right right

[maiden girder]

Huh

[fading sun]

There's also a quote about like

[pliant ruin]

Strange user

[fading sun]

Reducing everything to featureless ash and ending inequality like that

(balance)

Everything is balanced if everything is ash

[woeful patio]

World wars can't happen if there is no more world

                               -![Provipain](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/754574567741063199.webp?size=128 "Provipain")

[maiden girder]

Bacteria in the ash that provenance forgot to burn

[fading sun]

Nah bro

[pliant ruin]

Balance and world peace are two completely different concepts but ok

[fading sun]

Ok now that I think about it

Well

[untold oracle]

That’s why I love draedon

[fading sun]

I doubt providence knows evolution and shit and that everything will return in like a morbillion years

[fading sun]

Eh

[maiden girder]

Providence probably will orbit terraria planet burning it constantly

With maybe the little guardian guys burning things as well

[autumn mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-rodriguez-samuel-metal-gear-rising-battery-acid-gif-25734299

[fading sun]

I don't really know how it feels to be a god yet but I would guess that providence will get bored eventually and just tell the guardians to do it while she like sleeps or something

[maiden girder]

Or make little guardians to do it

[fading sun]

That's like

[maiden girder]

Because someone or something might come along to kill her

[fading sun]

The normal providence-themed enemies

[maiden girder]

Yeah but still burns shit

[fading sun]

Yeah

[maiden girder]

If it works it works

[fading sun]

Like what

[maiden girder]

Idk random space shit

Maybe a astral infection rock

[split mortar]

If she ends the world what can rise up? Th ash gaining fautures and being post ml in strength?

[untold oracle]

Deus watches ”hmmm… bright thing…. yummers……”

[maiden girder]

A horde of angry ghosts would probably do it

[split mortar]

Pretty sure she can burn ghosts

[mighty zenith]

gamers

[fading sun]

Nah that's crazy

Imagine being a god ruling for thousands or even millions of years

[maiden girder]

What about underground

[fading sun]

And getting sniped by a random rock

[fading sun]

Ash elemental

[fading sun]

Not the yummers 😭

[split mortar]

Then wouldn’t the elemental help providence since it would want the world to be ash aswell

[maiden girder]

Draedon wouldn’t be happy

[fading sun]

Yeha

[maiden girder]

The guy is underground most of the time and is probably guarded by god knows what

[fading sun]

Makes sense

[fading sun]

Lab turret mk-2 solos providence

[maiden girder]

Definitely enough to curb stomp the gender reveal party gone wrong

[untold oracle]

What does provi think of the other gods

[fading sun]

https://tenor.com/view/trollictrl-gif-25684621

[fading sun]

They stink cuz they're brainwashing people she could brainwash herself

Also cuz they don't help her or something

[fading sun]

Also there's the exos lore item where yharim says that the only god they couldn't demolish is xeroc

(makes sense cuz they're like the last boss)

[untold oracle]

Shhh, let Draedon cook

[fading sun]

He needs to stop cooking 😭

[woeful patio]

I wonder why Yharim wouldn't kill Providence, it was stated that Slime God manage to escape Yharim crusade by making strategic retreat

[fading sun]

Providence probably sent her followers to distract yharim from where she's really at

[untold oracle]

Provi is just stronger ig

[fading sun]

Also she's a god

[fading sun]

Nah nah

[random mulch]

yharim is far stronger than providence

[woeful patio]

Bro Yharim could eat a rock if he can

[split mortar]

Yharim is stronger then scal and the exos

[untold oracle]

Given enough time he’ll discover antimatter and other funny stuff

[random mulch]

providence just fled all of the time

[fading sun]

She could just like go to a pocket dimension or teleport or something

[random mulch]

she cant

[fading sun]

I don't think that's really needed

[split mortar]

Pretty sure Exo prisms are better for energy and destruction then antimatter

[fading sun]

Fr

[untold oracle]

Yeah, but is he like actually physically stronger than them or just more powerful on the I-have-big-army scale

[random mulch]

cal gods arent the teleporting or pocket dimension type

[untold oracle]

Well, improved stuff regardless

[split mortar]

In a battle 1v1 he would beat scal

Would be difficult but he could

[random mulch]

yharim is the single strongest mortal alive

[split mortar]

Yeah

[untold oracle]

Very well then

Could he solo exos tho?

[split mortar]

Unless we count noxus as a mortal

[split mortar]

They’re equal to scal, yes

[random mulch]

we dont even know what noxus is

[untold oracle]

Who btw is noxus tho? I never really got it

[untold oracle]

Oh

[random mulch]

DoG's boss

lives in the distortion

and that's kinda it

[untold oracle]

Ohhhhhh

[random mulch]

also made the ceaseless void rift

[split mortar]

Noxus is the boss of devourer, lives in distortion and seems to be the cause of a hivemind on the distortion

[random mulch]

the hivemind is just a maybe

draedon hasnt confirmed it

but if it does exist then yeah noxus is probably the center

[split mortar]

Yeah

[untold oracle]

Where does draedon say that?

Like any of that

[woeful patio]

Draetalk

[fading sun]

Providence just appearing

[split mortar]

Draetalk

[woeful patio]

After you defeat exo mech

[random mulch]

boss summoning shenanigans is mostly not canon

[split mortar]

Yeah

[random mulch]

aside from exo mechs

[untold oracle]

Draetalk didn’t work

For me

[split mortar]

And I think duke fishron

[fading sun]

Wasn't there like a lore writer that said she demolishes him

[split mortar]

Don’t know, but I doubt it he is stronger then ever

[woeful patio]

Did you defeat the exo mech and meet all the requirements for the chat? Or maybe old cal version

[split mortar]

I think it’s always “it would be tough” or “she gives me doubt”

Not really stated

[untold oracle]

Nah I got the newest, it said that I’ll get some blueprint for draedon’s forge I assume (I already had it) but nothing seemed to happen, I also got an exoblade at that point

[hoary berry]

did you craft it using magic storage?

[random mulch]

the blueprints are just the ability to make draedon's forge

[woeful patio]

Are you using magic storage?

[split mortar]

That worked fine for me though

[random mulch]

not an actual item or anything

[untold oracle]

In the old lore at least it was stated something like ”the outcome would not be certain”

[random mulch]

old lore is old lore

[untold oracle]

Shit

Yeah

[random mulch]

throw old lore out

[split mortar]

Yeah I don’t think it’s ever been certain she could win, even in old lore where she is busted

Consider old lore completely seperate to current calamity

[untold oracle]

Yeah that’s just something I remembered

Man the old lore was weird 😭

[fading sun]

Damn

[woeful patio]

Old lore Providence prob solo everyone and has the same power as Xeroc if that's the case

[split mortar]

Providence lore brought up demon and angel war that was never used again

[fading sun]

I was trying to find the scal vs yharons comparison

And found the like

Calamity powerscaling numbers

[split mortar]

Don’t think they’re accurate, atleast to dragon ball power levels

[hoary berry]

the ones from cei? or something omni did?

[split mortar]

Cause otherwise wouldn’t yharon be moon level or something

[fading sun]

I don't care about DBZ

[fading sun]

Yeah those

[split mortar]

If you on about cei’s

[hoary berry]

that is not a useful answer

[fading sun]

Cei

[mighty zenith]

old lore trying to explain why the world hasnt been completely destroyed by the several world-destroying threats yet

[split mortar]

Isn’t there multiple universes destroying threats?

Or something

Not just planet level

[mighty zenith]

well yeah but they're still world-destroying threats

[fading sun]

They use the bigger world size mod fr

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-1085544295074166927

[mighty zenith]

can we get much higher

[glossy wolf]

So (lore wise) if Yharim and Xeroc were to just somehow duke it out for some reason, would yharim even stand a chance?

[random mulch]

nope

[scenic olive]

Yharoc

[fading sun]

You jiggler stop stealing my shit

[fading sun]

Not even close

[glossy wolf]

F

[fading sun]

But like

Both of them seem kinda similar

They did some bad shit that they probably kinda regret

And they're very chill as of now

[glossy wolf]

Isn’t xeroc the first ever god in calamity atleast

[fading sun]

And do nothing

[fading sun]

Yeah

At least first auric one

And strongest

[scenic olive]

its actually john wulfrum

the first wulfrum god

[fading sun]

Wulfrumic soul fr

[glossy wolf]

Who made the wulfrums?

[scenic olive]

john

ok but real

[split mortar]

Xeroc would wreck his shit instantly

[scenic olive]

wulfrum bots was created by the opposing side of yharim

[fading sun]

Btw is the current wulfrum armor going to get resprited

[scenic olive]

no

its already perfect

[glossy wolf]

The strength difference is that large?

[split mortar]

Yea

[fading sun]

It might be by iban

[fading sun]

Ik

[scenic olive]

coughing baby vs nuclear bomb

[split mortar]

Yharim would be another numberless casualty to moonlord in his prime, while xerox would win

[pliant ruin]

hi lore chat

i finally got out of bed

[scenic olive]

hello cheese

[fading sun]

Yharim is the strongest mortal (apart from maybe the terrarian) and xeroc is the strongest

[split mortar]

Why do you hate brain

[untold oracle]

Congrats!

[pliant ruin]

i had breakfast and took my meds now ill uhhhhhh

idk

play limbus company or calamity or something

[untold oracle]

Oh yeah

Why is Yharim so chill?

[glossy wolf]

I thought he died or sum turns out I was completely wrong 💀

[scenic olive]

limbus calamity

[untold oracle]

It feels like he’s some friend of you

Rambling about things to you

[fading sun]

Nah not rly

[pliant ruin]

hes trying to manipulate you

[split mortar]

Wants you to take his mantle of god seeker

[pliant ruin]

yer

ye

[fading sun]

Propaganda fr

[fading sun]

I mena

[untold oracle]

So he wants you to be his successor?

[fading sun]

You do kill three ppl he wanted dead

[scenic olive]

i wont be god seeker

[fading sun]

You already are

[scenic olive]

i will be waffle seeker

[untold oracle]

Who? Provi, someone and someone

[scenic olive]

seek all the waffles

[fading sun]

Slime god and empress of light

Slime god cuz he god

[untold oracle]

And devour

[mighty zenith]

in the dragon's aerie, straight up seeking it, and by it haha lets just say... gods

[fading sun]

Empress cuz she a leech

[untold oracle]

You don’t kill slime god

[fading sun]

Hell naw

[untold oracle]

It just flees

[mighty zenith]

you do

[cloud ibex]

DoG might count too

[fading sun]

You do

[scenic olive]

you did

[fading sun]

Queen slime

[cloud ibex]

nobody likes him

[fading sun]

Eh

[untold oracle]

Huh?? I always though it flees

[split mortar]

Slime god dies when you defeat slime queen

[cloud ibex]

it does

[mighty zenith]

it flees then forms queen slime

[cloud ibex]

but then you kill QS

[mighty zenith]

which it cant flee from and dies

[fading sun]

He reacted a lot more enthusiastically about you killing the others

[untold oracle]

Waitwhat so slime god turns into queen slime?

[pliant ruin]

ye

[split mortar]

Yes

[untold oracle]

I though queen slime was some upgraded paladin

[glossy wolf]

Is Goozma a part of the actual calamity lore or is just an addon

[scenic olive]

slime queen when i squeezed it and made a smoothie

[fading sun]

Yeah but like

[mighty zenith]

for DoG it's more of a "oh nice that asshole's dead"

[fading sun]

The slime god is in it

[cloud ibex]

so happy for her

[fading sun]

Fr

[cloud ibex]

addon

[untold oracle]

Ohhhhh I see

[split mortar]

The crystal ball inside queen is alime god

[fading sun]

[untold oracle]

Yeah

[fading sun]

Fr?

[glossy wolf]

ok nvm

[fading sun]

Addon

[cloud ibex]

he used to be canon ages back but his role in progression got replaced with noxus

[scenic olive]

if i see another message about people telling Nameless is the same as Xeroc i will literally go insane

[pliant ruin]

nameless is me actually

[fading sun]

But like

[mighty zenith]

dont check youtube comments then

[fading sun]

Could goozma technically be cannon

[pliant ruin]

no

[fading sun]

Yes

[cloud ibex]

not really

[glossy wolf]

Doesn’t DoG serve for an otherworldly higher being like Noxus or am I trippin

[pliant ruin]

yes

[fading sun]

Nah but

[cloud ibex]

i don't think the logistics of it work out with current lore SG

[fading sun]

I mean the slime god with all slimes out there thing

[fading sun]

Damn

[mighty zenith]

isnt goozma in hunt like
a combination of every slime that somehow creates an auric soul

[pliant ruin]

if you wanted to make goozma something that logically fits with the current cal lore you'd have to completely rewrite it

[cloud ibex]

something like that

[glossy wolf]

smth like that I guess

[scenic olive]

goosma

[untold oracle]

Agh I hate it

[scenic olive]

boozma

[fading sun]

Booze

[split mortar]

Only thing I can think of is queen slime dropping slime god as an item or its essence, both of which is not very logical

[glossy wolf]

When you summon it, it absorbs all slimes in the whole terraria world to form this powerful being or sum shit

Idfk haven’t seen a lot abt the mod

[pliant ruin]

i could beat goozma

just give me prep time

[fading sun]

Holy shit this is an award

[untold oracle]

I would eat

[fading sun]

Yeah he's like 2d

[scenic olive]

you can survive by just eating slime

since theyre water

[mighty zenith]

unfortunately its from coke

[fading sun]

And very small

[scenic olive]

and sweet

[split mortar]

Terraria’s world isn’t 2D

[mighty zenith]

so it doesnt mean that much

[fading sun]

Who

[mighty zenith]

||jk love u coke||

[untold oracle]

It’s just the artistic preference

[woeful patio]

no

[fading sun]

Shut up

[scenic olive]

ok but

[mighty zenith]

[untold oracle]

It isn’t, look at the background

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/library-of-ruina-ruina-angela-lobotomy-lobotomy-corp-gif-6143762914515078628

[fading sun]

Man wtf

[fading sun]

Shurr up mann

There's no 3d goozma

[pliant ruin]

there is

[untold oracle]

Look at opened doors!!!

[split mortar]

Doors and walls

[untold oracle]

Walls!!!

[fading sun]

I could just punch a hole through my screen in the place where goozma is

Boom

I won

[pliant ruin]

no you couldnt

[scenic olive]

would you guys play a spin off calamity game with god of war gameplay

[pliant ruin]

i could beat it though

im powerful

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

No

[scenic olive]

you are cheese

[fading sun]

No

[thick slate]

you kill a bunch of gods

as yharim

🗣️

[pliant ruin]

yhar of war

[scenic olive]

put you in my spaghetti

[split mortar]

Sounds fun

[glossy wolf]

Wasn’t Yharims life a living hell in calamity?

[fading sun]

Not really

[pliant ruin]

would you guys play a calamity spinoff thats a fishing simulator

[thick slate]

the real genocide was the friends we made along the way

[pliant ruin]

and you can fish up eidolon wyrms

and fishrons

and maulers

and great sand sharks

and aquatic scourges

[mighty zenith]

idk he was having the time of his life

[pliant ruin]

and etc

[scenic olive]

and Silva

[mighty zenith]

like the worst thing that happened to him was getting tossed in lava

[pliant ruin]

i mean

he got tossed in lava that one time

other than that tho he kind of chillin

[fading sun]

5-S

[scenic olive]

i know right shouldve tossed him in honey

[glossy wolf]

I thought he died or sum

[scenic olive]

he would suffocate

[glossy wolf]

from a different way

[pliant ruin]

most characters in the lore suffered way more than he did to be honest

[fading sun]

He would be in bliss

[pliant ruin]

and usually because of him

[glossy wolf]

Just dk where he is rn

[scenic olive]

plus honey is so thick its hard to swim in it

[fading sun]

He loves the bees

[mighty zenith]

he's the final boss (in the future)

it'd be
problematic if he was dead

[glossy wolf]

Even after noxus?

[mighty zenith]

especially considering he literally talks to you

[pliant ruin]

noxus is a superboss

which may or may not be added

[mighty zenith]

final boss of the story

[scenic olive]

ARGHHHHHHHHH

[glossy wolf]

Ah ok

[pliant ruin]

depends on if devs feel like it after they do yharim or noit

[mighty zenith]

noxus and xeroc would be extra post-game content

[pliant ruin]

(mayb

[glossy wolf]

How so if you don’t mind me asking

[pliant ruin]

e

[glossy wolf]

👍

[mighty zenith]

because

he's the final boss

[pliant ruin]

well uhhhh we need to kill him

[mighty zenith]

he's set up multiple times

[pliant ruin]

its a bit hard to fight someone whos

[glossy wolf]

answers my question

[pliant ruin]

erm

dead

[mighty zenith]

something something polter

[glossy wolf]

Thanks 😀👍

[mighty zenith]

[fading sun]

Btw

[scenic olive]

https://tenor.com/view/bakishadowboxing-baki-hanma-yujiro-hanma-baki-shadow-boxing-gif-17276456435241517102

[fading sun]

Do we ever get an explanation why yharims is strong

[pliant ruin]

polter is actually not real

[scenic olive]

me fighting yharim ghost

[pliant ruin]

because hes a bigass dragon

[fading sun]

That's crazy 😭

[pliant ruin]

thats why

[glossy wolf]

cause he is

[mighty zenith]

true???

[fading sun]

I meant yharim

[woeful patio]

Because he is him

[glossy wolf]

Oh

[fading sun]

I meant yharim

😭

[glossy wolf]

Idk

[pliant ruin]

i mean