lore-discussion

[keen hearth]

What we discussing again?

[pliant ruin]

chat went crazy again

[nimble mortar]

i dont think we're discussing anything at this point

[humble fog]

So you’re saying it’s your fursona in the dragon ball universe

[nimble mortar]

we're just saying words

[keen hearth]

🗿

[solar wharf]

silly words

[nimble mortar]

he doesnt look like that.

[solar wharf]

WHY

[keen hearth]

Silly peolp

[mighty zenith]

two gods of destruction are cats

so

not far off

[violet spoke]

what if you have a stone cold heart but you eat a fire soul

[solar wharf]

what

[pliant ruin]

wuh

[keen hearth]

Garfield-

[solar wharf]

too much wiseness for us

[humble fog]

Stone cold steve austin

[violet spoke]

what form will they get

frostfire!?

[pliant ruin]

idk

dont ask me im not a god

[solar wharf]

absorbing an auric soul doesnt give a fuck about ur morals

[keen hearth]

They'll get well fed

[nimble mortar]

theory: the dragon of gluttony (or whatever aspect slime god is) looked exactly like gourmand rain world

[violet spoke]

you are god of cheese

[solar wharf]

DAMN!!!

[keen hearth]

Idk that

[mighty zenith]

goddess of the moon

[humble fog]

Pig king from opm

[keen hearth]

Does any of this server channels actually have embeds?

[mighty zenith]

gold pig from everhood

[pliant ruin]

yall

i added too much chocolate powder to my chocolate

[mighty zenith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807433904436674560/862607915038539776/DKC_SNES_Banana.gif

[solar wharf]

what the fuck

[keen hearth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807820439526309899/1210367319549935669/Anti-lag_amulet.gif

[pliant ruin]

its taste is too strong

[humble fog]

It’s over

[mighty zenith]

yes

[solar wharf]

why would you do such a thing

[keen hearth]

Oh cool

[nimble mortar]

v dragon

[keen hearth]

This one does

[solar wharf]

fat...

silly fat being...

[humble fog]

Nice edit

[mighty zenith]

thats me

[humble fog]

Proof

[nimble mortar]

i never remember where captions go

im glad we all like gourmand :^)

[mighty zenith]

(im eating a doughnut rn)

[keen hearth]

Can't imagine being fat

[pliant ruin]

im drinking pineapple juice

[nimble mortar]

pineapple juice...

[keen hearth]

Peak

[scenic olive]

drink cosmilite and eat auric bars

[solar wharf]

munching on the auric bars...

thats how we got so strong...

[keen hearth]

I'm more of a miracle matter enjoyer

[solar wharf]

we took "absorb the auric soul" too literally...

[lone moss]

Speaking of current discussion. How slugcats and scavs from Rain World would fare in Calamity world?

[nimble mortar]

poorly

[pliant ruin]

they die probably

well idk

[keen hearth]

Idk rain world bruh

[pliant ruin]

they'd probably do as well as any other animal lol

[keen hearth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185109217619750994/1210807627664072725/image0.gif

[nimble mortar]

the slugcats are basically just incredibly intelligent squirrels

[real silo]

rain world fans when I pull out the torrential tear

[nimble mortar]

given how easy it is to kill squirrels

[pliant ruin]

anyways

[solar wharf]

i mean to be fair, they are fucking dumbasses

they just...

run toward us

they have 0 SURVIVAL INSTINCTS

[pliant ruin]

i have taken a shower, eaten breakfast and taken my pills
which means it's limbus company time
see you people once i'm done limbusing all over the place

[nimble mortar]

fair

[lone moss]

The only slugcat that would be anywhere near threatening to anything, is ||Ascendant Saint||.

[real silo]

ascended like

ascendant insignia

(infinite flight time for 4 seconds with a 40 second cooldown)

[scenic olive]

torrential tear fans when i pull out sigil of kos in the raining sky

[mighty zenith]

rain world fans when i dont play the game (broke

[nimble mortar]

rain world fans when i dont play the game (bad at it)

[real silo]

sigil of kos fans vs celestial rune fans

rain world fans when I don't get the game because I know I'll just mald at it for an hour and refund it afterwards

[nimble mortar]

i was going to ask why moon lord attacks us but i figure he only does because we kill the one person holding him back

[violet spoke]

can ascension god revert themselve to pre ascension form

[nimble mortar]

no

well. visually probably

but they cant ungod themself

[lone moss]

Saint's mark also has an insta-kill property against most things (and probably strong enough to kill a deity in few hits).

[nimble mortar]

consider that that only works because of what the cycle is

[scenic olive]

Xeroc can do that, somewhat

[lone moss]

Precisely. Saint is likely a product, direct consequence of what Rain World's cycles are.

[nimble mortar]

is samsara canon to calamity

[violet spoke]

imagine consumed auric soul and you rolled ugly appearance

[nimble mortar]

well. again i think you can change how you look

[scenic olive]

their body

[nimble mortar]

i like the hc that saint was the triple affirmative that SoS sent

[scenic olive]

adapts to the new changes of the newly merged soul

[nimble mortar]

and thats why she's dead, because saint did the saint thing on her

[nimble mortar]

silva real

[scenic olive]

if they didnt change the body wouldnt be able to handle a godly soul

[keen hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/journeys-end-terraria-squirrel-crush-dead-gif-18818104

[lone moss]

And Saint might have their powers heavily restricted or gone entirely when outside of Rain World 'verse.

[mighty zenith]

fargo is after you

[nimble mortar]

hb_anguish

[keen hearth]

Although

[violet spoke]

does it purely random or you could slightly control it

[keen hearth]

Do you think it would be morally correct to kill 5 of a species in order to grow their population?

[solar wharf]

is the species sapient?

[keen hearth]

Like self aware?

[solar wharf]

animals are self aware, im saying if it has something comparable to human thought

well not all animals are slef aware but

you know

[keen hearth]

I forgot the terms

[solar wharf]

a lot of them do

sapience doesnt have a solid definition as its broad but

its basically, do they behave like a human?

[nimble mortar]

sentient - aware of its own existence
sapient - capable of inference and emotional processing

[solar wharf]

like have free will

creative thought

[solar wharf]

that would imply dolphins have sapience thats the issue, sapience doesnt really have a good solid definition

[nimble mortar]

i think they do

i dont see why they shouldnt

[solar wharf]

well if u want to take that as sapient sure

for me i like to gatekeep sapience to creatures that are able to kickstart a civilization

[real silo]

If dolphins are so smart why haven't they invented burgers

[nimble mortar]

sapience is a part of, but not entirely why, humans are as dominant as they are

[solar wharf]

its a major part tho

[nimble mortar]

yeah, but not the ONLY part

[keen hearth]

Yeah, I forgot if sentient meant rational like humans or just knowing it exists

[nimble mortar]

mhm

[keen hearth]

Cuz trees arent sentient

[solar wharf]

ye but thats like saying, oil isnt the only thing that makes a tank move, sure but without oil a tank wouldnt work

[nimble mortar]

i

im not sure what your point is there

[humble fog]

Depends on the tree

[nimble mortar]

theres like. degrees of sentience

[solar wharf]

im saying, calling dolphins sapient doesnt make sense to me as i think sapient should just be gatekept to species that are able to kickstart a working civilization

[nimble mortar]

plants can feel pain sometimes and are thus sentient in that regard

[keen hearth]

I don't think any of them would be really considered sentient

Even fly traps and stuff like that

[halcyon dust]

Homo sapien runs into the definition of a man of wisdom

[nimble mortar]

er. some plants can feel pain, thats a better way of putting it

[halcyon dust]

Are squirrels capable of philosophy

[keen hearth]

Piranha plants would be sentient tho

[humble fog]

But the wise mystical tree

[nimble mortar]

piranha plant dsl

[humble fog]

I mistyped mystical as

[keen hearth]

Is that the meme tree?

[humble fog]

Nyatica

It’s over

[nimble mortar]

transnya

[keen hearth]

Transnya

[real silo]

Can dolphins write books to teach people from 300 years in the future

[keen hearth]

Where would that even be from?

[solar wharf]

i mean

if we try hard enough

maybe

[keen hearth]

They probably would rather us to die

[humble fog]

What the FUCK

[nimble mortar]

what

[keen hearth]

Overreaction at its finest

[humble fog]

How is it that size

And not an emoji

[nimble mortar]

OH

[keen hearth]

Just like this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807820439526309899/1238103887844610058/attachment_1.gif

[nimble mortar]

i have a plugin that lets me use nitro emoji by embedding them as image links

[halcyon dust]

In their language probably

[keen hearth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807820439526309899/1192330064965152788/BP_emoji.gif?ex=65a8aee7&is=659639e7&hm=ac600261d7f3437dcf5c943557b7dd7010f92d27206d4bb60b23aac07c8baf07&

[halcyon dust]

Just not in literatural english

[nimble mortar]

or any human language

[humble fog]

I had a stroke reading that word

[nimble mortar]

i dont think the dolphins are learning mandarin any time soon either

learning to speak/write it, anyway

[keen hearth]

That cracked me so hard

[humble fog]

There were those dolphins from kipo that spoke korean

The kpop dolphins

[nimble mortar]

korean has like 3 syllables

[humble fog]

[real silo]

How though

Fuckers don't have fingies

[keen hearth]

Isn't the word just "literal"?

[solar wharf]

bio engineering!!!!!

[keen hearth]

In the sense of literature instead of "literally"

[nimble mortar]

literarily

[real silo]

The problem isn't language the problem is they're too fat and too fingerless to be able to write

[nimble mortar]

i think is the word

i dont think them being fat is the issue

theyre too WET

[keen hearth]

Definitely not literatural

[humble fog]

They can engrave it into a soft surface by yelling at it

[solar wharf]

dumbass creatures

shouldnt have went into water

[nimble mortar]

dolphins are so cute i want to be firends with one

[nimble mortar]

HEHEHE

[real silo]

I'm sorry that's a funny image

[keen hearth]

They'll kill you and play with your corpse

A fun fact

[humble fog]

No you don’t

[nimble mortar]

so will humans

[real silo]

yelling at rocks to engrave how to make a fish sandwich

[keen hearth]

The "intelligent" creatures

do the worst apparently

[nimble mortar]

intelligence grants the capacity for evil :^)

[solar wharf]

well as long as you arent human yeah

[nimble mortar]

no humans do this to other humans

[solar wharf]

not for fun

and i wouldnt use the word play

[keen hearth]

[solar wharf]

unless u count fucked up people

[nimble mortar]

fucked up people are still people

[solar wharf]

but they arent normal

[humble fog]

I think the point is the majority of dolphins do this while only the minority of humans do

[solar wharf]

^

its normal for a dolphin to do that

[keen hearth]

Dolphins are just possibly deranged by nature

[solar wharf]

it isnt normal for a human to do that

[keen hearth]

While most humans aren't

[humble fog]

They’re a little bit too silly

[halcyon dust]

Clicks and echolocation

[nimble mortar]

to be fair its only abnormal for us because we have a society that defines it to be such

dolphins dont

[real silo]

you can't echolocate 300 years after your death

[keen hearth]

They augh in communication

[halcyon dust]

Pass down signals

[real silo]

signals like what

[keen hearth]

They don't even do that to each other

[real silo]

You can't make a rock vibrate with the same precision as a dolphin

[solar wharf]

before even religion came into play, sure killing was much more common, however playing with others dead body was seen as questionable

[keen hearth]

While people do kill each other worldwide for the worst reasons

Anyway, this ain't fucking lore

[nimble mortar]

theres also the point that on land bodies will more easily spread diseases

[real silo]

this is indeed not "fucking-lore"

[keen hearth]

Unless we speaking irl species lore

[nimble mortar]

underwater this isnt as prevalent

[keen hearth]

That's what the stars were doing earlier

[real silo]

Underwater dead bodies attract fishie and crabbes

More food for adolphin

(I don't actually know what they eat)

[keen hearth]

I thought of something .

But I wont

So uh

[nimble mortar]

fish

[keen hearth]

The original topic was researching 5 individuals for bigger population

Through irl journey

Which isn't lore but it's Terraria related at least

[real silo]

Was it related to the nazi man

[keen hearth]

Yea

[real silo]

[keen hearth]

Speaking of journey

Is the builder rabbit icon just a bunny or is it a reference to smth?

[real silo]

Bobunny the builder

[cloud ibex]

probably the souls of the innocent

[real silo]

Your honour if you are what you eat then I am an innocent man

[keen hearth]

I am bananas

[pliant ruin]

dolphins are evil!!! so evil!!!

what if i kill you instead

what about that

[buoyant inlet]

True

Same for wasps

And other animals people tend to demonize

But at least I'm glad that people realize more and more than sharks aren't bloodthirsty killer machines that eat everything on their way

A lot of them are curious goofy goobers tho ofc there are species that can be dangerous to humans

[brisk frigate]

I like the trash can shark

Consume all just because they can

[buoyant inlet]

I think thresher sharks are one of my favourites

🥺 they're so precious I can't

[jaunty wraith]

I love how sharks can range from the seas greatest apex predators like the great white... And then you got this

[untold forge]

omg

those sharks are

adorable

[jaunty wraith]

I heard somewhere that sharks don't even hunt humans they are fascinated by us and want to boop us... Unfortunately not knowing their own strength.

[hoary cape]

Sharks are best fish

[hoary cape]

They all look sad lol

[mighty zenith]

they look so confused i love em

and the best part is that apparently they're pretty shy for a shark

[pliant ruin]

Shark hunt humans, sometimes

It's really rare but not outright impossible

I'm not a huge fan of how people demonize animals like dolphins and then... idk??? flanderize??? sharks

wild animals are still wild animals yall 😭

obv sharks aren't evil or anything of the likes but some ppl outright say they're harmless and like

no

[real silo]

They're both going the opposite way of common perception

common perception shows that sharks are aggressive and dolphins are friendly

[mighty zenith]

people do it cause of pop culture showing dolphins as cute and sharks as terrifying beasts

fishe stereotypes basically

[pliant ruin]

most shark attacks tend to be because of sharks not knowing wtf a human is, and they want to touch them to get a feel of what they are, and since their ''touch" comes from their
yk

mouth

tho ofc that's not all cases

some are because of sharks feeling provoked or territorial, mistaking humans for other animals, or sometimes they're just hungry

[pliant ruin]

treshers look so stupid i love them

my personal favs r probably a combination of angular roughsharks and nurse sharks in general (as in the entire group and not just nurse sharks specifically)

[real silo]

The solution is to be afraid of everything

[mighty zenith]

so true

stay indoors

[real silo]

Never be comfortable

[pliant ruin]

unironically yeah

[mighty zenith]

never go outside

[pliant ruin]

don't demonize any animals

but also always keep in mind

they're still wild animals

[real silo]

even staying inside isn't safe

[pliant ruin]

don't get too comfortable unless ur a professional or being assisted by one, and even then be wary and know what ur doing

don't treat them like satan like ppl do with dolphins but also don't start thinking they're harmless

[real silo]

I've had my fair share of snakes in people places

[pliant ruin]

i've never seen a wild snake b4

[mighty zenith]

i saw one but he was chill

[pliant ruin]

the only snake i've ever itneracted with was

[real silo]

I saw a snek crawl out of my school's bio lab

[pliant ruin]

one of my old bio teacher's pet ball python

[real silo]

Dude was checking out his dead cousin or something

[pliant ruin]

i held it and stuff

it was chill

v cute lil fella

[mighty zenith]

i havent actually seen a turtle irl before

surprisingly

[pliant ruin]

there's quite a few around the parks here

[real silo]

Adorable bastards

[pliant ruin]

tho they're not ''true'' turtles, they're freshwater turtles

closer to stuff like tortoises

[real silo]

Apparently they feel everything that touches their shells so you can just

[mighty zenith]

tortoises are turtles too

[real silo]

Toothbrush them and they feel happy

[mighty zenith]

i want to pet a turtle so badly

like just gently pat its shell

[real silo]

garb are you a turtle

[mighty zenith]

:plumg:

ya,,

[pliant ruin]

p sure the ones we have on parks here r

yellow spotted river turtles

[real silo]

If you ever idolized mario just remember he loves stomping a turty

[mighty zenith]

NEVER

[pliant ruin]

tgese guys

they're v chill

[mighty zenith]

omg,,,,

[real silo]

such burger shaped

[pliant ruin]

i've thought abt getting a turtle before

[mighty zenith]

i really wanna get one

[brisk frigate]

They are ment to be held like a burger

Afterall why burger shaped then

[pliant ruin]

they seem like the only pet reptile i could actually own cuz i dont need to feed them other animals + a turtle could be reasonably big enough wherem y cat isn't a threat to it

[mighty zenith]

the issue is that we have 2 cats and id be
scared for his safety

[pliant ruin]

but rn

i'm nowhere near financially stablwe enough to get a new pet

let alone a turtle which i need a whole ass license for

so

maybe in like. a few years i'll think abt it

[real silo]

I have 5 cats and 2 kitties

Used to have way more

[pliant ruin]

i have 1 (one) cat

she is stupid

i love her very much

[mighty zenith]

i have two cats and a dog

[real silo]

my cats are also dumb silly

[pliant ruin]

keeping track of 5 cats would be the death of me

[mighty zenith]

one of them is a stupid idiot (affectionately)

and the other is tired of her shit

[real silo]

last night it was storming and I found one of them on my exterior ac unit the next morning

somehow climbed my window all the way up there

[brisk frigate]

I'd have a cat but father got allergies

[real silo]

It would be the death of me too if I didn't have a huge open space behind my house to contain them

I am extremely sneezy so if I hug my cat the wrong way I get a whole day of runny noses

[civic salmon]

Okay guys I think I have a theory as to why the gods would want to set up Yharim as God-King

It's actually kind of dead obvious in hindsight

It's because they want to have access to the ritual of rebirth that Yharon performed for the dragons

It's implied Yharim is to become God-King to keep the unruly masses in line

I think that society (this implied shared civilization between multiple gods, anyway) was getting resentful and rebellious enough that some of the gods worried that they could actually be killed

So they needed someone to take on Yharon's Auric Soul in order to be able to perform the ritual of rebirth

But taking on two Auric Souls just makes you weaker, and none of the gods wanted to be the one to have to do that

So they figured they'd elevate a mortal, use him as a puppet ruler while they're at it, and have him be their failsafe to grant them immortality

Thoughts?

[pliant ruin]

That seems like a interesting theory

[random mulch]

that'd mean in their attempt to avoid getting killed, they made the exact reason they got killed

[real silo]

They can also keep some troublesome gods in line by threatening to remove the god in question from the cycle of rebirth

[civic salmon]

Excellent point as well

Even works as a recruitment strategy

[real silo]

Ye

[random mulch]

tired of mortality (in some sense)?
simply ally with the side that has a yhar

[spring helm]

"one often meets their destiny on the journey to avoid it"

[real silo]

Question is whether it can rebirth mortals or only gods

[pliant ruin]

little did they know they'd get turned into Evil Purple Blob

[real silo]

If it can rebirth mortals it'd be op as fuck

[civic salmon]

🤷 dunno

[pliant ruin]

Don't think so given Yharon can't either

[real silo]

Fair

[civic salmon]

Do we know Yharon can't resurrect dead mortals? Can't think of a mortal that Yharon would've resurrected if he could

[pliant ruin]

This theory hinges on the idea that if Yharon can rebirth Dragons, a God with Yharon's soul can rebirth Gods

so i don't think mortals would be a part of it

[civic salmon]

Yeah that makes sense

[pliant ruin]

Iirc it's been stated he can't

[real silo]

Dev statement I think

[pliant ruin]

Plus if he could he could just

[civic salmon]

Checks out

[pliant ruin]

revive yharim whenever he died, basically guaranteeing him success both in the crusade and on the fight with the player

[real silo]

Old lore yharim

[pliant ruin]

anyways i'm gonna limbus all over the place now goodbye

[real silo]

How lame bus of you

I too shall eepy

[civic salmon]

The lore document paraphrases Yharim and Yharon's egg as being "sentenced to execution" but the lore item itself says that "Their meek, ingratiated swine cast both Yharon's egg and I into the magma of Hell"

[spring helm]

well yeah, i wouldnt word it nicely if i was the one getting thrown into lava

[civic salmon]

It wouldn't make sense for the Gods to chuck Yharon's egg into Hell, they'd just hang on to it and find another candidate. But the phrase "Their meek, ingratiated swine" makes me think that those in society loyal to the gods might've chucked them into hell. Maybe Yharim rejected the title at his coronation ceremony thus allowing for the indoctrinated members of deific era society to riot and chuck both him and the egg into the magma, not knowing that they were actually ruining the scheme further than just Yharim rejecting his role would

[civic salmon]

My point is that it wasn't the Gods, it was people who were subservient to them

That is, people not in on the scheme

[spring helm]

that is interesting

[civic salmon]

This would make Yharim's resentment of the followers of the Gods even more layered, since it was their ignorance and blind devotion that actually allowed for him to start the Crusade

"The faith-blinded rabble, in their riotous fervor, unknowingly tipped the scales against the very Gods whose names they swore by as they tried to kill me. That failed attempt proved the decisive moment that allowed for my revolution to begin." or something like that

[tall delta]

I mean its a fusion of a mortal soul and an auric soul

theres mortal soul in there

[random mulch]

it probably happened in azafure, since you dont exactly have a hell nearby on the surface

[civic salmon]

yeah that would seem the simplest answer

[random mulch]

so i wouldnt be surprised if we got solid info on what happened that day in the crags overhaul

[civic salmon]

I'd like to see that

[vivid elk]

I wonder if the truffle and crabulon are friends

[civic salmon]

crabulon is a dead corpse of a Sunken Sea crab animated by the glowing mushrooms, idk if it is capable of friendship

[vivid elk]

one of those mushrooms has to be the truffles kid

[civic salmon]

so crabulon is like the nice car the truffle got for their kid for their 16th birthday

[mighty zenith]

heated limo

[civic salmon]

crabulon is one of those birthday party video game buses you can rent

actually it might just be a regular party bus, hence the rave music

truly my theorycrafting skills are at peak performance today

[mighty zenith]

party truffles in the house tonight

[civic salmon]

so true...

[spiral sorrel]

how long does it take for yharon to revive?
when we killed him he didnt ACTUALLY die but how long will it be before he comes back

[shut tide]

Unsure

Yharon was reborn prematurely by being thrown into the magma with yharim

So we are unsure of how long it actually takes

[tall delta]

1 decade or more iirc

[cosmic zenith]

^

A.k.a., long enough for the game to end before he revives

[tall delta]

hey stip

If youre really a lore dev then tell what is the lore of iridescent excalibur

[random mulch]

i shaved tyrian

[cloud ibex]

fucked up

[shut tide]

He looks like a devil

[pliant ruin]

funny sword

tahts the lore!

[random mulch]

whoops, sorry xeroc

[pliant ruin]

sad bald cat

[shut tide]

yharon after i shave his head

[fierce pagoda]

Shaved you

[shut tide]

DAMN

[random mulch]

gawd damn my forehead is massive

[fierce pagoda]

I tried my best ok

[random mulch]

official rendition

[warped bloom]

The baldening

[shut tide]

Supreme Bald Calamitas

[potent moat]

i have a question, What is the lore behind the dark sun?

[random mulch]

idk if that'd go well

[pliant ruin]

dark sun?

[fierce pagoda]

just a solar eclipse

[pliant ruin]

i think that's just a quirky way to refer to the solar eclipse

yeah

[fierce pagoda]

im pretty sure

[potent moat]

oh

[pliant ruin]

there's no like

literal dark sun

[fierce pagoda]

if you're reffering to the dark sun fragments, then

[pliant ruin]

those gonna die

[potent moat]

it would have been cool to have a dark sun soul

[fierce pagoda]

those are being removed and replaced with something distortion related

when distortion gets added

[pliant ruin]

both them and the two other post-dog moon items

[shut tide]

Uhhh the solar eclipse is normal

[fierce pagoda]

endothermic energy and the ohter thing

[shut tide]

same with uhh blood moon

[pliant ruin]

nightmare fuel

i think

[fierce pagoda]

yeah that

[pliant ruin]

the solar eclipse itself is

a thing that happens

but the actual enemies aren't iirc

[fierce pagoda]

and apparently the enemies arent canon

[pliant ruin]

cuz they're all just direct references to other media

[shut tide]

blood moon enemies are i think

[pliant ruin]

blood moon enemies r ye

[fierce pagoda]

remember when blood moons used to be Xeroc's gaze

[pliant ruin]

blood moons r just seemingly such a mundane occurence that ppl don't really treat them as anything particularly paranormal

probably the same way ppl irl react to things like hurricanes

[fierce pagoda]

maybe bloodmoons occur in calamity the same way they occur in real life

but with the added magic effect of more monsters

[pliant ruin]

like yeah they're a threat and scary but not smth like

OH MY GOD!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE

[shut tide]

yharim talks about em and how when he was a kid he did the average terrarian thing and kill everything

because there will be bloodshed

[pliant ruin]

it's more like

''oh hey a blood moon is happening we should stay inside tonight"

and for those who r particularly capable in combat like

soldiers in a army or smth

they dont even care

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim: "sleepless nights from my younger days… Knee deep in corpses."

[shut tide]

yeah they use em as an excuse to train newer soldiers

[fierce pagoda]

why is he so edgy

[shut tide]

would yharim listen to edgy music

[pliant ruin]

melodramatic mf

[pliant ruin]

he'd listen to those alt rock bands from the mid 2000s

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim would lie about hearing voices

[pliant ruin]

the type of stuff you'd see on like

naruto dragon ball amvs or something

linkin park n stuff

[fierce pagoda]

"I feel like a monster"

you know that song

[shut tide]

NOOOO

[fierce pagoda]

apparently the band who made that were a christian band

Frontman John Cooper explained to StereoTruth: "It's a song about being fake and putting on a face for people that's not the real you. But it's basically about the nature of sin and the nature of the divine, which is the duel nature we have as Christians. Everyday we have to strive to throw away the old and be that new person in Christ."

how about that?

[pliant ruin]

lmao

[hardy roost]

Is there a lore reason for the way ores spawn

Or is it just for balancing purposes

[forest knot]

What in-game/mod weapons do you think yharims military forces used?

[mighty zenith]

i mean draedon kinda spells it out that they used the arsenal weaponry

hallowed armor was also the armor of godslayer knights iirc

[forest knot]

Also what if yharim had a pillars event like the moon lord but instead they’re his soldiers

[tepid swift]

Buttrock-listening edgy self aggrandizing asshole

[mighty zenith]

what soldiers

pretty much everyone left him already

[forest knot]

Oh

L

[mighty zenith]

closest thing to his army are probably like
the mech bosses and polter

but they're also fucking dead so yeah

[forest knot]

Well if he did have a pillars event like I said it would probably be dragons then

Or something like that

[pliant ruin]

Some of them ye

[hardy roost]

I think Auric is because of Yharons death

[pliant ruin]

Uelibloom for one only spawns after beating Providence bcuz its supposed to be ore enchanted w/ her essence

Which rn dosen't make much sense cuz it dosen't fit with Provi's aesthethic in the slightest but it's being changed to actually fit w/ her so

[hardy roost]

Uelibloom doesn’t give providence vibes at all

[forest knot]

Usually you can watch out for special messages after you beat bosses, for aerialite generation it would be “the sky is glistening with a cyan light”

[pliant ruin]

Cosmilite is also going to be obtainable on the distortion biome

Which is where DoG comes from

uhhh

[forest knot]

Lol it better be in that case

[pliant ruin]

What other ores r there again i forgor

[hardy roost]

I was more thinking the way the hardmode ores spawned

[pliant ruin]

Oh like the vanilla ores?

[hardy roost]

Yea

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i don't think there's any explanation for those, just kind of a gameplay moment

[forest knot]

That is a very good question

[hardy roost]

Most I can guarantee I think of is hallowed

Which is just scraps of the mech bosses scattered about

[forest knot]

Hallowed metal, yeah that’s pretty weird now I think about that

[hardy roost]

In the hallowed biome for some reason

[pliant ruin]

Hallowed metal is supposed to be metal infused with divine essence iirc

In that case, specifically that of the gods that made the hallow

much like how crimtane/demonite is for the gods of the corruption/crimson

[hardy roost]

So lore wise it doesn’t make sense that we don’t get pretty much all ores immediately, all just gameplay (hardmode ores)

[forest knot]

That moment when a mod’s ore gen makes more sense than the vanilla game’s:

[pliant ruin]

Yeah, all of the ores r kinda just there

[hardy roost]

Terrarian is just stupid :)

[forest knot]

I say that and then I don’t know what involvement the perforators or the hivemind have with aerialite

[hardy roost]

Something something god curses idk

[forest knot]

Where did the perforators even come from? Are they crimspawn?

I know they’re parasites

[pliant ruin]

Perforators r probably just the crimson equivalent of EoW that use the hive as a supply of food and a way for them to get around, i imagine

[forest knot]

Also I like how one of them has a syringe for a mouth

Lmao

They literally suck

[forest knot]

I get that, but are they foreign organisms

If they’re parasites

[pliant ruin]

I mean

[forest knot]

They’re red and have ichor in their veins so I always think that’s an adaptation or something

[pliant ruin]

they look pretty much like any other crimson creature

i doubt it lol

It's not like anything says that crimson creatures can't harm eachother, they are spawn of the remains of gods who were seemingly absolutely malicious so i think it's very plausible they'd be just as cruel to their own

[forest knot]

Oh ok that makes more sense

[hardy roost]

Piss biome and rot biome

[pliant ruin]

I personally imagine the corruption and crimson would just be things killing eachother for no reason 24/7

[hardy roost]

Both made of dead gods

[pliant ruin]

Or atleast the crimson, given the corruption seems more ''organized"

[forest knot]

I’m sure we imagine the crimson smells absolutely terrible, but what would the corruption smell like?

[pliant ruin]

Both would smell pretty bad

[hardy roost]

Corruption would smell like rotting flesh and vomit

[pliant ruin]

One's sickly exposed flesh

The other is rotten exposed flesh

[pliant ruin]

I think a interesting headcanon would be

Given the fact that the Corruption is heavily implied to be the tyrannical gods who wanted yharim to be a god-king

[hardy roost]

Blood and piss is the smell of crimson

[pliant ruin]

Which in itself implies some sort of organization and hierarching system

[forest knot]

The corruption is intelligent evil and the crimson is dumb evil

[pliant ruin]

Corruption would be more so composed of organized/structured evil, akin to the ''lawful evil" allignment you see in things like DND, while the crimson would be more so the more chaotic and brutal versions of villainy, more akin to ''chaotic evil"

[forest knot]

Maybe not dumb but ran by pure animosity

[forest knot]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

This would also fit with the corruption being more organized (A ''Hive Mind" of sorts) and all of the corrupt spawn like devourers, eaters of souls, world feeders, etc. have a similar ''buggy" appearance

[forest knot]

[pliant ruin]

While the crimson is just a bunch of fleshy amalgamations that seems alot more outwardly violent with the evil boss of it being literally a bunch of worms that live inside another crimson creature, which they use as a source of food, by eating it while it's still alive

It's a headcanon i just thought of, and i think it's pretty cool

If you enter the crimson you'll probably enter a warzone of fleshy horrors killing eachother and eventually someone's gonna try killing you, if you enter the corruption you'll immediately be targetted by several different insectoid creatures :)

[mighty zenith]

my headcanon for crimson is basically just zenith from godzilla nes creepypasta

[pliant ruin]

godzilla nes my beloved

[mighty zenith]

without the uh
demonic imagery that is

[pliant ruin]

it's divine imagery instead :p

[mighty zenith]

[forest knot]

[spring helm]

well i tried

[latent dust]

iIs Yharim going to be expanded on in the mod in the future?

There are text lines about facing him in combat

[spring helm]

yes, he'll be our final boss

[latent dust]

Ooooh

Awesome

How many bosses before that? Cuz honestly, the more the better, I love even side bosses

[hushed geyser]

0

[latent dust]

The Lore they teach me during and after beating them, the music

it's all amazing

[hushed geyser]

Yharim is last and final planned

[tropic oak]

hello lorians

[latent dust]

Oooh, gotcha

[spring helm]

xeroc and noxus are potential superbosses, but it'll be up to the devs if they are actually added

[latent dust]

Isn't Noxus already a superboss via the addon mod?

[pliant ruin]

That one's a fanmade, non-canon iteration

[spring helm]

yes, but that's not offical calamity

[latent dust]

Gotcha

To be honest, I'm hoping the astral infection is expanded on too, I expected it to spread or be a menace

but I guess that is also Moon lord?

[pliant ruin]

It's not going to spread cuz the mods devs hate spreading biomes

[mighty zenith]

(based)

[latent dust]

Honestly fair

[pliant ruin]

But the astral infection itself isn't really a ''major" threat in the grand scheme of things in the mod's narrative

[latent dust]

I dont mind it not spreading

[pliant ruin]

Or well, not in the particular moment, atleast

[latent dust]

Ye ye

I wonder if there is a way I could help in the future

[pliant ruin]

The moment u beat Astrum Deus and destroy the meteor it's kind of stopped being a threat, canonically

[latent dust]

I'm not exceptionally skilled in spriting, SS13 is my extent, but that's all story stuff

[mighty zenith]

the astral should get an overhaul eventually though
its... really bland, especially the underground

[pliant ruin]

Ye i do agree it could get a bit of a rework

specially w/ how high quality other biomes like the abyss, sunken sea and crags eventually will be

[latent dust]

Apparently Astrum Aureus is supposed to spawn a 2nd meteor or something, but that never happened

[pliant ruin]

(With the abyss already being pretty high quality, for the most part)

[pliant ruin]

I don't think so? Unless that was a scrapped feature

[mighty zenith]

the abyss is the best biome rn and its not even close

[latent dust]

eventually? There is more being added?

[mighty zenith]

of course

[latent dust]

I love the Abyss, I just hope the void gets un-voided

[hushed geyser]

Only if there's not enough astral ore already

[latent dust]

That explains it

[mighty zenith]

the next major update planned is an overhaul to the sunken sea

[latent dust]

oooooooh

[pliant ruin]

Sunken Sea and Brimstone Crags are both getting big overhauls

Including sub-biomes and all, much like the layers in the abyss

There's also two entirely new biomes coming but they'll be subworlds

[latent dust]

that's awesome. I wonder, is there a way to make maps bigger than terraria limit? Like, imagine proper space with bigger planetoids with infection

[pliant ruin]

Distortion which is going to be a full on explorable biome, akin to the Nether from Minecraft

And uhh

Dragon Aerie

[hushed geyser]

Subworlds

[latent dust]

thats awesome

all of this is awesome sounding

[pliant ruin]

which we don't know much about but it'll probably be less of a full on biome and more of a place u and yharim beat eachother up in

[civic salmon]

Agreed that the Abyss is amazing, my first trips down there were mind-blowing

[mighty zenith]

dragon aerie is gonna be more of just a cool build for yharim

[latent dust]

The Abyss was the most terrifying thing I've done in this game

it was like Subnautica

dodging the leviathans

[civic salmon]

I didn't think it was even possible for something like the Abyss to exist in Terraria, and yet they pulled it off

[mighty zenith]

the sulphurous sea and the fourth layer of the abyss are literally the reasons im even here rn

dropping to the pitch black waters with that amazing soundtrack kicking in

god

[latent dust]

Imagine Abyss cave systems

even more fear

[civic salmon]

Okay so I've found a massive hole in my theory that Yharim was set up to inherit Yharon's power so that he could facilitate a cycle of rebirth for the Gods: namely, that while it fits with the evidence we do have, it doesn't fit with the evidence we don't have. That is to say: if it were true, there would be no reason to keep it a secret. Yharim would happily have spread the news of how he stopped the Gods' scheme to make their reign eternal, and on a meta level, the lore team would have no reason to play coy with that plot point. It probably just would've been included in Yharon's lore item. So, my confidence in that theory has dropped significantly, from about an 85% to a 50%.

Not a death knell for the theory but, takes it several notches down from the home run I thought it was when I first came up with it while sitting on the toilet.

So, what might the Gods' scheme be if not that? The fact that we don't know the details of the Gods' scheme involving Yharim makes me think it's a spoiler. I obviously can't really guess what it is if it's something that we don't know that we don't know, but I can speculate that it's related to something we know we don't know. To me, the most likely candidate for which spoiler this plot point connects to would be the circumstances of Xeroc's ascension. Maybe the Gods' scheme has something to do with the ascension ritual, that the Gods would know but not anyone else. Taking it one step further, I wonder if it has something to do with the nature of Auric Souls. That's just brainstorming though

I'm personally very interested in the nature and origin of Auric Souls- in fact I think that could be the key to understanding most of what we still don't know about the lore- so I'm biased in thinking that might be related.

[quasi epoch]

i'm gonna call ares skeletron prime prime just to piss draedon off

[paper zenith]

super skeletron prime

[tepid swift]

that or you're sitting here mulling over convoluted lorebits

either or

[forest knot]

Piss

Yourself instead

[civic salmon]

yes I am and it's very fun, highly recommend

[frigid ibex]

Does the Astral Infection come WHILE we play?

[humble fog]

Yes

[untold forge]

LORE CHAT

[humble fog]

No

[untold forge]

I SAW A REALLY COOL THEORY ON THE SUBREDDIT WHO WANTS TO DISCUSS

[humble fog]

What is it

[frigid ibex]

What I mean is does Draedon create and deploy Astrum Aureus while we play?

[untold forge]

yeah in the time between WoF and when you fight AA

[frigid ibex]

Is the meteor we see crash in-game THE meteor?

[frigid ibex]

Fascinating

[untold forge]

there is a reason we have this member

oh god i forgot their name uhh

@mighty zenith

its garbo

astrum aureus talk come out

[frigid ibex]

Did the Plague and Plague Bringer Goliath only escape in Hardmode?

[humble fog]

Is that a quokka

[untold forge]

Quokka?

[humble fog]

It is 1:48 am for him

[untold forge]

Not entirely, the new draedon talk thing suggested it escaped while it was being developed when Yharim saw what was happening

[untold forge]

I am so sorry garbo, you will probably see it in the morning

[untold forge]

to roughly quote this, Yharim blasted a fucking hole in the wall to let it escape

[frigid ibex]

That would suggest though that Yharim only RECENTLY stopped talking to Draedon though.

[spring helm]

🧐

the dungeon is where a lot of prisoners got dumped in

[untold forge]

or the life cycle of the queen bee larvae is longer than we think it is and it just recently matured/figured out how to spread the plague?

Or draedon had enough control over it to release the plague when it matured?

[frigid ibex]

The mechanical implants wouldn't grow with it though.

It would have to be fully matured already.

[untold forge]

I had a graduation to attend when i was catching up on lore it probably got jumbled around in my brain

lemme go confirm on the wiki real fast

[spring helm]

though this would imply that the jungle dweller's used the souls of their own people to feed plantera

[spring helm]

no

[untold forge]

so it was probably fully grown at that point, it just hadnt finished getting modifications yeah

[frigid ibex]

The Lore item for Plague Bringer Goliath suggests that it was created some time ago. "Draedon cared little for my outrage and returned to his other work without further incident.
From that point on, I stopped making requests of Draedon. He had shown me his true colors….
In my later days I was far from virtuous. But I would never shackle a creature to fight in my name.
That would make me no better than the divine scoundrels I pursued"

[untold forge]

bap

its hard to highlight with mouse

[spring helm]

yeah the plaguebringer incident was what cancelled draedon's employment with yharim

[frigid ibex]

Yes, the point being that, unless Yharim only stopped working with Draedon during Harmode (which conflicts heavily with my current understanding of the lore), the Plague Bringer Goliath must have been free for at least a couple years now. This raises the question of why the plague was only released during Hardmode.

[spring helm]

My theory is that, since the plague begins showing up after golem is defeated, the lihzahrds kept the plague at bay

[warped bloom]

Or its a gameplay mechanic

[spring helm]

Obviously

But this is lore discussion

[frigid ibex]

Gameplay mechanics shouldn't conflict that heavily with the lore though.

[frigid ibex]

Perhaps. I'll consider that.

[spring helm]

Nothing wrong with retroactively adding lore to unexplained game mechanics

[untold forge]

any lore writers online

we gonna see if we missed something in draetalk

[frigid ibex]

Yes, the Draedon logs effectively confirm that the Plague Bringer Goliath escaped a couple years ago. "Soon after, the Godseeker and I went our separate ways.
Some years later, even without Yharim to order me, I returned to the project..." (the Calamitas Clone) "My last interaction with Yharim was not even a year before I first observed you."

[untold forge]

vetrasilly is online, but i think he mostly writes stuff to do with the sky civilization

[untold forge]

Oh sweet I didn't even see that!

[spring helm]

that last interaction is so funny to me

[tepid swift]

No thanks, I prefer well written stories

[spring helm]

Yharim fires Draedon, and then years later he gets his ass beat by Braelor and Statis and then comes crawling back to Draedon begging for an upgrade to his armour

[untold forge]

I recommend some kind of starwars or lord of the rings server then, most of calamity lore isnt public yet so check back in a few years :)

[spring helm]

though the attempted assassination has an interesting implication for DoG

[tepid swift]

“In a few years”
This server has the only people who will tolerate eternal stagnation

[untold forge]

Then why are you here?

[tepid swift]

I was rewriting the story myself, left and rejoined

Come occasionally to get info and dip

[humble fog]

Silksong fans:

[tepid swift]

Also that one space game that has like 2mil or something in it

[spring helm]

i was under the impression that the Crusade ended soon after Calamitas left, which would fit with the assassination attempt on Yharim since he would no longer have any guards

[tepid swift]

Silksong is just sad

[humble fog]

??

[tepid swift]

Hold on

[spring helm]

but if that's the case then why would DoG still be working with Yharim?

[tepid swift]

Star Citizen

[pliant ruin]

What do you dislike about the lore, if i may ask?
Nothing wrong with doing so, but i've yet to really see anyone with a genuine reason besides one person

Most of the time it seems like alot of people have a weird negative bias towards it and i don't quite understand why

[humble fog]

There’s scal in it

[pliant ruin]

shut up mao i'll kill you

[humble fog]

With WHAT

[pliant ruin]

shut up mao i'll kill you

[humble fog]

:3

[pliant ruin]

the firer

[frigid ibex]

Isn't DoG still "working" for Yharim while we play as he and his servents are actively hunting for Providence?

[pliant ruin]

None of them are his servants

[spring helm]

they're not his servants in new lore

[pliant ruin]

And he's abandoned Yharim too, though much more recently than any of the others

[humble fog]

Signus name change when

[pliant ruin]

DoG, besides Yharon, was the last one to serve Yharim

Not cuz of loyalty though

[spring helm]

distortion update probably

[frigid ibex]

Sigh Is that much of the lore featured in the lore items really outdated?

[pliant ruin]

Do any of the lore items say anything about them being servants though

Cuz if so ye but i don't think any of them do

[spring helm]

i dont remember any of them being DoG's servants in the lore items

[tepid swift]

I’ll post a more comprehensive doc of my thoughts but I have a lot of bias.
A few points:

• creationism. It’s my belief that if your story doesn’t hinge on things that started at “the beginning of time” or “the beginning of the universe” then it doesn’t really matter and isn’t relevant to the story you’re trying to tell. Been a bit since I reread but I’m pretty sure it delves into that.
• lack of connection. Outside of lorebits and newtexts, there’s really no cohesion between how any of the creatures we come across interact with one another or how they operate outside of “ok killing time”. It’s incredibly boring to flesh these characters out in lore and make them as flat as cardboard in game.
• no concurrent story in the game. Sure, we have lore. But what story are we telling in game besides a glorified boss rush. Where’s the quests, the dialogue, something that tells me this world is alive and gears are turning.
• Yharim. Where the fuck is he? Why the fuck is he? Who the fuck is he? He’s not in the game so I don’t care!

Accidental ping*

Maybe I missed things but idk, a lot of it is empty

[pliant ruin]

Number 4 - He's being added, the mod isn't complete

Number 3 - It's still being added, the mod isn't complete + Terraria is a very hard game to really implement a proper story on

[humble fog]

Do I mix cinnamon orange tea with mango juice

[spring helm]

He's in the dragon aerie, he doesn't like the gods, he was going to be their god-king

[tepid swift]

Something something eternal stagnation something something 7 years

[pliant ruin]

Number 2 - I can kind of see this in a way, but like.... It's terraria, again

It's incredibly hard to really have any in-game interactions besides... killing things

[tepid swift]

Using terraria as an excuse isn’t working here since you can easily shove out the irrelevant content and include your own

[pliant ruin]

In-lore there's alot of neat worldbuilding on several creatures and the worldbuilding that ties various characters together

[pliant ruin]

No i mean like

terraria is fundamentally

not built to support these types of things

[tepid swift]

Pretty sure in my doc I had an entire point about how the exos could’ve just replaced the mechanical bosses in an alt universe type thing.

[pliant ruin]

on both a game design and coding PoV

and number 1 i'll be honest i don't understand in the slightest and i'm quite confused about

[tepid swift]

You can implement them. The idea would be reforging the game in your own image to tell your story accurately

[pliant ruin]

does it mean that if a story dosen't talk about the creation of the universe, no matter how good, you think it's... not?

[tepid swift]

My point is if it’s not relevant, why’re we fleshing it out

[pliant ruin]

I really don't understand that one, unless it's dwelling on the topic of your personal beliefs

If so i'll refrain from commenting on it further, as much as i don't quite understand it

[tepid swift]

I mean yes that ones more a nitpick

[pliant ruin]

But what would you consider relevant?

[tepid swift]

I just think the idea is stupid, especially since it’s done all the time and done poorly all the time

[pliant ruin]

But calamity is still fundamentally a terraria mod - Replacing normal mechs with exos, as you said, would be a massive gameplay change

[pliant ruin]

Wait so.. the idea of a story that isn't about the creation of the universe is stupid?

I'm so confused

[tepid swift]

Would still prefer it over them being shoved on top of the progression like an ever stacking tower of pancakes

[pliant ruin]

What does that have to do with anything? They're meant to be final bosses

[tepid swift]

This forsakes what they’re “meant to be”

I feel like you’re throwing points at me without reading

[pliant ruin]

I am reading, i just don't understand anything you're trying to convey.

[tepid swift]

And I don’t get why you’re asking these questions

[pliant ruin]

I'm a curious person and i like finding out why people dislike things i like or vice-versa. That's bout it

[tepid swift]

Yea but like this

Isnt a relevant question I feel

[pliant ruin]

You seem to dislike the fact they're final bosses

[tepid swift]

They’re not final bosses though

[pliant ruin]

When... that's part of their narrative and literally their goal from a gameplay perspective

[tepid swift]

Yharim should be the final boss, no?

[pliant ruin]

Well yes, when Yharim is added yeah

but atm they're final bosses

I really just, don't understand what you're getting at here

The second argument, as i said

i can understand

I think it's a reasonable critique

but like, everything else, i just like, don't

specially the first one because i really don't see how that's a issue in the slightest

it's like if a story isn't about this one specific topic it's bad

[tepid swift]

My point is
If were trying to tell a story that is, in writing, not even close to anything terraria has, why are we just slapping them on top of it instead of removing the parts that don’t matter

[pliant ruin]

Because terraria dosen't have any writing for one, so there's nothing of value being lost, and because it's still a terraria mod and removing things from it for the sake of the narrative would be harming the gameplay part of it

[tepid swift]

How

It’s replacing mech bosses with flashier mech bosses

[hardy roost]

Dude just use the texture pack

[pliant ruin]

Because those are meant to be a upgrade to the mech bosses. They're not "replacements". They're a entirely new boss, with new mechanics, and a new gameplay to them

[frigid ibex]

Looking at the lore items again, you do seem to be correct that they don't really mention them being servants. Still, Signus's lore item implies that he's working for DoG since he was on the other side of the portal DoG threw Statis and Braelor through. If Signus is in the Distortion, he and DoG should at least be working for the same entity.
Storm Weaver's lore also says that DoG is constantly monitoring it, which doesn't necessarily mean it's working for him but at least means he's seeking to have some control over it.
More importantly, the Rune of Kos is still how you summon all three and you craft the Cosmic Worm from the drops of the three. I guess it's mostly those summoning items that are outdated.

[tepid swift]

Irrelevant

[pliant ruin]

They're specifically designed to be a much harder boss that comes much further in progression with a entirely different fight

[hardy roost]

It makes them flashier, more like something draedon made

[pliant ruin]

Besides the design and narrative similarities, they are by all means entirely separate

[spring helm]

yeah the summon items are outdated

[pliant ruin]

...By this same logic

Why does terraria have Eye of Chtulhu, Eater of Worlds, or Skeletron? Just replace 'em with the mech bosses.

[hardy roost]

I mean, it’s just meant to exist? Like, look at the lore document

[pliant ruin]

And not to account the fact your initial critique was of the narrative, and then when i pointed that your reasoning for disliking it was rather strange you seemingly shifted into something unrelated to the narrative.

[hardy roost]

Why should any game exist really

[spring helm]

well tbh, eye of cthullu and skeletron are not very relevant to calaimty lore

[pliant ruin]

That's not my point

It's simply analogous

"If exo mechs exist, why have mech bosses?"
"If mechs exist, why have pre-hardmode bosses?"

[tepid swift]

I went tangentially yea

[hardy roost]

Idk man it just seems Pris wants to start shit

[pliant ruin]

And even then, i don't see how that correlates to the lore.

[tepid swift]

Bro you just walked in here relax

[tepid swift]

You are correct, I went on a tangent

[frigid ibex]

(He can read the log.)

[humble fog]

tru

[tepid swift]

This’d be easier to explain if I had the doc finished tbf

[hardy roost]

And in lore, the mech bosses are used for war, and the destroyer is a remade drill made to be used for war

[tepid swift]

This week’s been terrible so my thoughts are everywhere

[frigid ibex]

I hope next week is better for you then.

[tepid swift]

We shall see™️

[pliant ruin]

I'll be straightforward here:
To me it really just seems like you're biased against the lore and are trying to find arguments to justify it. I think it's fine if you dislike the narrative for seemingly no logical reason, i myself dislike alot of things and can't quite explain why i do, it's pretty normal, honestly. I'd personally tell you to give it a chance again and try understanding it better, but you're not obligated to by any means. Sometimes ya just dislike things. That's okay. Just kind of weird to try justifying it when there dosen't seem to be any real justification to be had here - Plus joining the lore chat just to trashtalk the lore as it seems like you were doing earlier was pretty odd, too

[tepid swift]

Again I can explain it, it’s probably just muddled

Is there such a term for things that make sense in my head but come out terribly and incomprehensibly in writing

[hardy roost]

• For the creationism bit: Yharim hunted down literally any god he could find
• the terrarian seems to be a catalyst as stated by draedon, they are what you make them
• we do this shit over like a year, we essentially came in during a post-post apocalypse
• Yharim is in his prime, the lore is not at all finished, and he’s a key component to literally everything (Dungeon, Sulphuric sea, corruption, crimson, hallowed, planty mush, the wall of flesh, etc)

[humble fog]

I think yharim is pretty far from his prime

[hardy roost]

I do think there DOES need to be more background story telling, something should be going on behind the scenes, but there really isn’t anything there

[hardy roost]

Currently, in lore, he is the strongest he’s ever been

[hardy roost]

Like maybe something more should be happening in the astral infection, I feel that would be nice, I would appreciate if we saw that the world was rebuilding

[tepid swift]

• i don’t see how that relates to creationism. If anything this could be one sentence or a small blurb.
• Terrarian is a “catalyst” sure but so is any other protagonist. What I’m meaning is that we kinda just “happen” and there’s no reason for us being there outside of “well our happy ass just decided to exist”.
• great!
• I do think if we make all these characters, there should be more purpose for them outside of just being roadblocks.

For example Draedon, Calamitas, etc. Could be recurring characters that actually appear to us n stuff

[hardy roost]

That would be nice, infernum helps with that by showing a cutscene of him watching us after beating all the mech bosses

[pliant ruin]

That is what they're going for

I think what you should criticize here isn't the narrative

but rather the in-game way it's told

Because i myself dislike it, too

[tepid swift]

Fair I guess

[hardy roost]

I mean, what do you think the lore items are for lmao, Yharim is literally commenting about us

[pliant ruin]

the lore items suck real bad

[tepid swift]

I think it’s a stupid way of introducing it

[pliant ruin]

being real here i dont think anyone likes them

devs included

[frigid ibex]

The player character is currently mostly up for the player's interpretation.

[pliant ruin]

I do like how the terrarian is a blank slate though

[hardy roost]

It is, the lore is good, the execution is bad

[tepid swift]

At least with D2 you had like lore books
Warframe you had codex entires / leverian
GoW you had a talking head that spouted exposition at you

[pliant ruin]

It'd be alot less interesting if it was a pre-defined character, personally

[tepid swift]

Ok maybe the Yimir one isn’t a good example.

[pliant ruin]

Specially due to how terraria highly incentivizes customization w/ its sandbox style

[hardy roost]

I mean, the WHY would be nice, that is all

[pliant ruin]

I mean

the why is up to you, tbh

and i'm fine with that

[frigid ibex]

Aren't the lore items planned to be reworked?

[pliant ruin]

yep

[tepid swift]

something something stagnation

[hardy roost]

Thank god

[pliant ruin]

Idk why you keep repeating stagnation over and over

The mod's made a ton of progress already

It's just.... really big so it's gonna take alot of time lol

[hardy roost]

I’m thinking the mod will be complete by 2028 or so

[pliant ruin]

I don't see how the mod could be called in 'stagnation' when it started as 2 worm bosses and a slime and now has like, 30 something bosses and several new biomes

[hardy roost]

AFAIK we get one “big” update a year lore wise

[pliant ruin]

It's made alot of progress, but naturally, as a large project, it takes time

[frigid ibex]

The mod has come a long way. Just look at the very first release of the mod--it was attrocious.

[tepid swift]

7 years, still no final final boss

[frigid ibex]

It's still being developed.

[tepid swift]

Is my point

[pliant ruin]

Well, yeah

but like

[tepid swift]

But again that’s tangential

[pliant ruin]

everything else that came before the final boss

[hardy roost]

Old DoG was ugly as hell

[pliant ruin]

Just because they didn't add this one feature dosen't mean they haven't added several other features

It's not like adding yharim would ''complete" the mod

[frigid ibex]

All the Draedon stuff came out relatively recently too,

[hardy roost]

Bro you sound like one of the people that drove out Dokuro ngl

[pliant ruin]

there's still so much more to be done, it'd just feel weird to add Yharim when the rest is unpolished

[pliant ruin]

We could probably benefit from keeping the conversation civil

:/

[hardy roost]

Yeah, the game needs polish and the world needs for flushing out

[hardy roost]

Alright, will delete (edit: nvm)

[tepid swift]

Bro you sound like one of the people that threw strawmans at a valid argument

[hardy roost]

Touché

[pliant ruin]

Anyways what was i saying before..??

oh yeah

the terrarian

rigth

[frigid ibex]

Right now, the devs are currently working on improving the existing content. The mod started as a bunch of reskins and the devs have been working to revise the work into more original creations and content.

[pliant ruin]

Anyways, for me to really like the idea of a pre-defined protagonist they have to be a really appealing character. In shows or movies that's easier to execute, but in a game setting you have to account for all the choices the player makes, making it a bit harder. In terraria, given the immense variety of choices and customization the player can have, and the lack of any dialogue or serious characterization support for them, i much prefer them being a blank slate with some vague defined traits

[frigid ibex]

When they finish that, they'll add the new stuff like Yharim, Noxus, and Xeroc.

[tepid swift]

that or don't give them a moldable character at all. in mine I literally just have underpaid workers you hire and manage.

though it varies story to story as to what you can do

[pliant ruin]

Adding a ''real" character behind the Terrarian could make or break the story, i feel. And i'd be inclined to think it'd most likely be a break here

[frigid ibex]

To be fair, the devs are indeed a little slow. At the same time, they aren't professional game developers focusing solely on Calamity.

[pliant ruin]

...Cuz the story, imo, is already pretty good, and adding a real protagnist there would likely just change alot of things unecessarly and potentially just make it worse if the character wasn't particularly appealing

• The aforementioned customization issue

[frigid ibex]

Unlike Minecraft's stagnation for example.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah this works.

In general games tend to be trickier to make protagonists for than in other forms of stories such as books, series, etc.

But ya can work around it

It's why games have silent protagonists alot of times, but seeing a silent protagonist in any other story setting tends to be incredibly rare. Different mediums and all

[hardy roost]

There is a pretty bad stagnation with MC

[tepid swift]

I mean games do the "chosen one" or "prophecy guy" schtick all the time and it works in games where the character is moldable.

[hardy roost]

I mean, I’m sure that’s why Draedon calls you a Catalyst

[frigid ibex]

Silent protagonists also arguably allow you to connect more deeply with the world as it is YOU interacting with it, not X character.

[tepid swift]

I just think if there was more presence and player purpose outside of being a killer it'd be a better presentation.

like some characters interacting with us, attempting to influence us, letting us in on things, maybe taking our side.

iunno something to tell me the world is alive.

[pliant ruin]

I mean tbf the player isn't necessarily a ''killer" but i see waht you mean

[frigid ibex]

Yes, the player character is certainly some "chosen one" of some sort.

[pliant ruin]

We do kind of get that with draedon

[tepid swift]

and that they're not just sitting in the background like animatronics at a chuck-e-cheese

[pliant ruin]

He is kind of ''using" us but not literally

[hardy roost]

They’ll be adding stuff like the distortion biome right? I’d assume it’d be a subworld, the terraria world is already claustrophobic enough

[frigid ibex]

Yes, they plan to add a sub world.

[tepid swift]

I'd post something I was working on writing wise but iunno if it's worth without full context.

[pliant ruin]

I believe the general goal rn with lore development is to just add more lore presentation to the main gameplay rather than making it so you get lore through random boss drops :p

[hardy roost]

That’s nice

[hardy roost]

Lore presentation in game while exploring would be fabulous

[frigid ibex]

You'll fight DoG in there too, so no more terraforming your entire world for the fight.

[spring helm]

yippee

[cosmic zenith]

(Lore development rarely ever stops, what)

[frigid ibex]

Also, I believe I heard that the Dragon's Aerie will also be a sub world.

[untold forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[pliant ruin]

It will, ye

Tho afaik it's gonna be less of a entire biome like the distortion and more ofg

Place to Beat Up Yharim In

[tepid swift]

More directed towards game implementation.

[frigid ibex]

Truly, we will be blessed to no longer build world arenas.

[tepid swift]

If I was talking about writing I'd be lying.

[cosmic zenith]

We could make and release Yharim right now
It would be a terrible decision
The mod's not stagnated, it is continuously working on other content, which you seem to neglect

[pliant ruin]

Alot of games make alot of hollow promises and end up never adding them, likely due to a result of overambitious goals

however

that's not what's going on with calamity

they can definitely deliver on basically everything they've promised - They just need time to do so

[tepid swift]

I will withhold my opinion for now.

[frigid ibex]

Honestly, I'd like the devs to get as much practice as they can designing bosses by reworking/fixing the old ones before they start designing Yharim's fight. The expectations and pressure are enormous and I want them to present the best work they possibly can.

[cosmic zenith]

That works, and we do plan on having similar things, but we won't abandon the status of "blank slate" player so what we can do is make player choices affect how those around them (how NPCs interact with you and how they react to your actions, for example)

[frigid ibex]

Anything less would be underwhelming.

[cosmic zenith]

We are constantly implementing stuff, just not necessarily lore or bosses

[pliant ruin]

Would something akin to making characters/npcs ''like'' you more or less depending on your actions be a part of this

[cosmic zenith]

More or less, yeah

[pliant ruin]

Maybe doing certain things would make them have better opinions of you, not necessarily a full blown friendship system like smth like stardew valley

That's actually really nice

[tepid swift]

And I understand that and am well aware of that from a development standpoint of my own.
Again withholding my opinion for now.

[cosmic zenith]

What they think of your actions and how you're treating them would be reflected on their dialogue

[civic salmon]

I just came back but: Jesus Christ, the mod is not finished. I think most people here agree that the way the new lore (which was like 2 years ago at max) is currently communicated in-game is not sufficient. (The fact that the lore doc is basically required reading is pretty good evidence.) All art is terrible and messy if it's half-finished. And the goal of Calamity Mod has shifted over the years from "cool bosses go brrr" to "let's tell this story we want to tell." So the comment on eternal stagnation is not even remotely correct.

[cosmic zenith]

Fair enough

[frigid ibex]

The NPCs revolt and trigger a boss fight because you put them in crowded prisons.

[pliant ruin]

Also, if i may ask, the dialogue for calamity NPCs is intended to be reworked atleast partially to be more similar to smth like Draetalk, or am i mistaken

[spring helm]

Calamitas brimstone blasts you if you put her with people she dislikes

[frigid ibex]

REMATCH!

[cosmic zenith]

That's something we wanna do, yeah
Time will tell how well it works

[pliant ruin]

Alrighty

[spring helm]

“I don’t like my neighbours” 💥

[pliant ruin]

This sounds lovely, making the characters feel more like characters in-game is a massive step in the right direction to improve the way the lore is told

[civic salmon]

The guts of a passion project are never pretty, but in this case its the guts that are getting funding and support.

[pliant ruin]

I love the narrative but as basically everyone as said already the in-game implementation isn't the best, but what is coming seems super promising

[frigid ibex]

I love the new Draedon talk by the way.

[pliant ruin]

I really hope i can be calamitas's friend,,,,,,

she's my scrunglo

[frigid ibex]

🤨