lore-discussion

[zealous pier]

but i dont think she's still loyal to yharim in the slightest

she literally hates us because we remind her of yharim

[solar wharf]

this will change

[abstract marten]

Hope so

[mighty zenith]

you say no stakes like she isnt trying to murder you

[solar wharf]

that wont be the case anymore i was told

[abstract marten]

For now my headcanon is that she is still doing yharims work but yharim lies to you about her leaving him

[solar wharf]

swigy

dialogue is outdated

it isnt canon anymore

its being planned to be rewritten

[zealous pier]

damn really

[solar wharf]

yes

it was suppose to be this update but cei got busy

[zealous pier]

holy shit she really has been the human look for a while now

[solar wharf]

so she couldnt do it

[zealous pier]

i have lost track of time

[mighty zenith]

yea cei got a job so she has less time to work on cal

[zealous pier]

i thought the whole lore rework was finished by the time the exo meks dropped and scal had become a terrarian

damn im late

[solar wharf]

pretty sure the mistaken you for yharim would go away as it enforces that ur character has to NOT be yharim, which takes away the headcanon part

[mighty zenith]

that was before the rewrite even happened lol

[zealous pier]

good god

i am a fool

so sorry

[mighty zenith]

[abstract marten]

Is the next update the sunken sea?

[zealous pier]

i think so

[abstract marten]

Do you think that'll take a long time?

[solar wharf]

should be yeah

[civic salmon]

tbf this limits your Terrarian headcanon the same amount as introducing literally any character in the mod (and thus not allowing your Terrarian to be that character)

[solar wharf]

i'd assume so

[zealous pier]

from what ive seen most of the sprites are done

prolly just animating coding and polishing

[solar wharf]

it limits it more because my character can just not have the same intention as yharim but similar actions

while with calamitas case

i can make my headcanon fit calamitas actions

[mighty zenith]

as long as sso doesnt get scope crept like bountiful harvest

[solar wharf]

that doesnt really go against anything

yet the yharim part goes against calamitas boss fight

[civic salmon]

ohhh I see, it's not letting your Terrarian actually be another Yharim, I thought you meant y ou wanted your character ot literally be Yharim

[solar wharf]

because she basically sided with a yharim that thinks differently

[solar wharf]

nah

im saying what if i wanted my character to be similar to yharim or have at minimum similar actions, calamitas "mistaking us" to be like yharim would debunk that

because she wouldnt be mistaking

neither would she join us

[tropic oak]

Hello lorians

[mighty zenith]

hello creature

[solar wharf]

hi

[tropic oak]

wha is our topic of discussion

[spring helm]

Calamitas becoming redlamitas post-bountiful harvest update

[abstract marten]

What is DOG motive for fighting you now?

[mighty zenith]

Hungr

[abstract marten]

Lame

Honestly the old lore so far seems better

[wheat walrus]

this will get you executed in these lands yanno

the loreworms will devour you on a conceptual level

[abstract marten]

Before it seemed like all these obstacles were part of this tyrannical group that all wanted you dead as you are the next version of the same and yharim is like depressed cause yk he took it too far but his subjects were so loyal they would fight for him anyways

Now its just everyone kills you for no reason

No one cares about yharim anymore

Before you were this unstoppable threat to established power

[wheat walrus]

anyways I think it's more about how you just killed Moon Lord and frigin Providence he would be hella curious about you

[abstract marten]

Now you're just fighting the shambled mess of yharims exes

[wheat walrus]

now you're cleaning the world from Yharim's mess

[abstract marten]

Theres no stakes to the lore now

Your role in it is just janitor

[wheat walrus]

gonna put a quick disclaimer here:
as much as I don't agree with this user's opinions and takes, we gotta understand that they are still entitled to having them so let's not start discussions over the lore being good or nah

unless

this discussion will not end up being lukewarm

[abstract marten]

Its not that I think its bad, I'm just wondering a lot about it

[mighty zenith]

❌
im sorry but only my opinions are correct, you shall be blended into a fine beverage

[abstract marten]

There's just a lot i dont understand

[wheat walrus]

no doggone I'm John Blender not you

[abstract marten]

Im hopeful but skeptical

[zealous pier]

the cosmic worm is his son

give it back

[manic coral]

I mean I don't see what sort of established power there even was in old lore, everythign was about equally in shambles.

[manic coral]

There's alot not public yet is what it is

And tbh I will admit stuff is in a fucky state at the moment

[dry scaffold]

scientists and builders call that the flux state

[abstract marten]

Fair, Im not trying to hate Im just wondering a lot since I just came back to calamity

[manic coral]

But it is good to remember that there's still a hell of a lot of unknowns, even if they still are your opinions which I won't fight against

Just some stuff to keep in mind

[abstract marten]

Everyone was still in allegience to yharim and wanted to defend their power alongside him whereas he didnt care due to his remorse which i felt was interesting

[manic coral]

Trying to work on this stuff is a bit messy and ahrd to keep smooth, and with the way things were, we couldn't jsut go "lol there's no lore now"

[zealous pier]

the main writer

helo

[abstract marten]

Do you plan on keeping scal's theme lore relevant?

Or is it going to be decanonized?

[graceful otter]

its currently in a state of being somewhat canon

[manic coral]

I mean, Calamiats isn't anymore. DoG and Yharon are still loyal. There wasn't really much in the way past that.

Well DoG's state of loyalty is questionable from the start but

[zealous pier]

yeah was boutta say heh heh loyal

[manic coral]

Techncially DoG still is part of Yharim's forces I guess

[zealous pier]

can i ask question

[cosmic zenith]

(Calamitas still attacks you, out of her own interest in new lore)

[manic coral]

But even in old lore, not really more people that were loyal

[cosmic zenith]

Afraid you'll turn into a new Yharim

[manic coral]

Calamitas was on his "side" but never actually loyal

[novel tulip]

hi devs!

[manic coral]

Wanting to leave at first chance

[mighty zenith]

Draedon was technically on yharim's side but he didn't really care

[zealous pier]

since rancor is the exhumed version of the burning sea is it also related to the time calamitas incinerated an ocean

[manic coral]

Yeah even in old lore Draedon didn't care

Personally I just don't see that argument

Other stuff is understandable though

[novel tulip]

random question, but can we get an approximate date for how old azafure is?

[zealous pier]

like as old as humans prolly

[cosmic zenith]

The main calendar's year 0 starts with the founding of Azafure

[trim edge]

the dating system starts with azafure's founding at year 0 iirc

[spring helm]

almost 1900

[graceful otter]

old. the calander we see in game is based on its founding

[cosmic zenith]

So Azafure has existed for between 1887 and 1897 years

[zealous pier]

hey speaking of is there a place where the like full timeline is at

any message or doc

[spring helm]

ask draedon

[cosmic zenith]

There isn't a full timeline yet, though Draedon does drop a few dates

[graceful otter]

i wonder if the dates in draedons inquiries are references to something

[cosmic zenith]

People might compile a timeline soon, given this and the fact more dates will be revealed in the future

[graceful otter]

i know i like to make dates in my writing a reference

[zealous pier]

oh ok but also when you say year 0 do you mean year 0 of the deific era or of the world itself

[cosmic zenith]

Of the world itself

[zealous pier]

ah

dang azafures just been there

[cosmic zenith]

Eras don't reset calendars in Calamity

For example, the Draconic Era ended in 1037

[manic coral]

i reference things but only things i get

[novel tulip]

oh ok so the Aerie is around 2000 years old so theyre not that far apart actually

[graceful otter]

cool

[novel tulip]

wait no the Aerie is at least 2000 years nvm

[cosmic zenith]

I wonder what you referenced for the dates

[spring helm]

how long have humans been around before they formed large societies

[zealous pier]

honestly if the azafurians managed to live in the underworld for thousands of years and never bothered to fireproof their flipping city they honestly had it coming when calamitas and brimmy burned it down

[manic coral]

yeah

at least

[languid badge]

very insightful

[zealous pier]

like "oh shit, magma? where the fuck did that come from?"

silly azafure

[graceful otter]

the city was made of stone

[novel tulip]

ye ok

[zealous pier]

even worse they chose the flammable stone

[graceful otter]

i dont think

[zealous pier]

azafure deserved to get burned down by an angsty teenager

[manic coral]

That is a minimum to how old the Aerie and Yharon are

[graceful otter]

im pretty sure thats more to say about the power of brimstone, rather than the weakness of azafures material for housing

[wheat walrus]

me praying asf that the lore doesn't pull a "dragon aerie is a place that transcends space and time" or else I'm gonna be destroying the world

[zealous pier]

exactly their whole business revolved around brimstone and they never bothered to set aside a handful of their exports to learn about

[graceful otter]

draedon does mention it as a plausible theory

[pliant ruin]

hi

[spring helm]

capital cheese

[zealous pier]

cheese

[brazen moth]

cheese!

[wheat walrus]

it only mentions that it may be separated in space and time, not transcend it

so I still have hope

[pliant ruin]

i scrolled up and didnt actually read anything but from the little i saw there was another yharim defender am i right or am i wrong

[novel tulip]

yeah theyre probably a LOT older

[manic coral]

exactly

[graceful otter]

no

[manic coral]

realistically, they're older

[pliant ruin]

oh thank god

[zealous pier]

timeline discussion

[manic coral]

yharon has been around for a long, long time

[spring helm]

so when draedon says "recorded history", does than mean written or oral

[graceful otter]

prob written

[brazen moth]

yharim is actually based and red pilled, calamitas is the real villain we should kill her

[graceful otter]

oral history isnt really recorded history

[cosmic zenith]

I'd assume written, though some written records may describe much older oral knowledge

[brazen moth]

i’m making a joke i promise i’m not a yharim defender

[spring helm]

hm

[pliant ruin]

calamitas should die cuzuhmmmm she called my terrarian a meanie poopface

[graceful otter]

guys i think we should defend yharim

[pliant ruin]

we should defend him

[brazen moth]

[pliant ruin]

from the big meteor thats gonna hit the dragon aerie so that WE CAN KILL HIM

personally

[brazen moth]

can’t wait to see what the aerie looks like

[spring helm]

have you seen omni's pfp? calamitas can do no harm

[novel tulip]

can we time travel and just kill fovos

[brazen moth]

real

[zealous pier]

finally i got my emojis back

[graceful otter]

calamitas is bad and evil because she shouldve realised how awful she was while killing innocents

[novel tulip]

rivlowquality

[brazen moth]

now yharim on the other hand-

[spring helm]

i wonder who made that

[pliant ruin]

if it was you thank you so much its the best thing ever

[spring helm]

i also made a draedon version

[zealous pier]

yeah thats what i like about her character tho

[novel tulip]

draedon yippee real?

[mighty zenith]

i wanna stomp on it

[zealous pier]

she takes the classic "i hate myself because i did evil shit in the past" archetype but makes it interesting because she doesnt dwell on it

[wheat walrus]

more specifically, a pocket dimension

so long as this pocket dimension doesn't transcend space and time I don't think there will be a massive change in the powerscale unless this pocket dimension was created by someone like idk the dragons, which would mean the dragon that created it would scale to that

given we only know that it is separated in terms of being outside of conventional space, not time, this would be 3rd dimensional, so I think High-Universe Level at best, and that's assuming it's an infinitely sized dimension, depending on the size and what this dimension contains it would scale lower tho unless it has its own space-time continuum, which would mean it's 4th dimensional, or Universe+ at least, if it transcends spacetime though that would be Low Complex Multiverse Level

[zealous pier]

bro embraces the evil cuz its not like the dead people are gonna haunt her

[pliant ruin]

ill be fr ive never seen that archetype before

[pliant ruin]

also shes not like that

[wheat walrus]

which is why I'm hoping it's only a finite sized pocket dimension separated only in space or else the powerscale would have to change drastically

[pliant ruin]

shes not embracing it in the slightest shes incredibly traumatized because of it actually

[brazen moth]

she’s just like me

[pliant ruin]

like she lives in a cave

[zealous pier]

idk ig i'll wait and see cuz the dialogue is outdated apparently

[pliant ruin]

like dude she lives in a cave she's not doing well

[zealous pier]

whats wrong with caves'

they're cool

[pliant ruin]

have you seen any sane people live in caves

[zealous pier]

they keep the same climate year round so you dont have to get an AC

[spring helm]

why would the dragon aerie transcending space and time throw off the powerscale

[mighty zenith]

me

[pliant ruin]

you're not sane

[zealous pier]

whats wrong with insanity

[mighty zenith]

❌

[graceful otter]

cave creatures

[brazen moth]

i would be roommates with calamitas

[pliant ruin]

calamitas would be my bestie

i can dream

[spring helm]

"and they were roommates"

[dusty saffron]

calamitas and brimstone elemental dont use fire; they use MAGIC fire

[brazen moth]

same

[brazen moth]

she’s ace

[graceful otter]

real

[zealous pier]

brimstone magic fire

[pliant ruin]

this sounds like someone trying to tell their friends taht their oc is not just evil sonic its actually shadowblade the helldemon

[zealous pier]

is brimstone gonna get slowly resprited to be orange instead of red

[novel tulip]

calamitas seems like the typa person to go to a playground just to steal kids' seats on the swings

[zealous pier]

i saw the unreleased brimstone elemental resprite and she looked orange like regular fire

[wheat walrus]

people who exist in it would transcend spacetime, and if there's a creator behind the aerie they would also scale above space and time

this is dimensional scaling basically, the part I hate the most about powerscaling, if you transcend space and time in the sense that you are beyond those and not just in the sense that you work separately from them you'd be Low Complex Multiverse Level I'm pretty sure

[pliant ruin]

she would NOT do that stop

[zealous pier]

yeah and then burn the swings down because she regrets stealing them

[pliant ruin]

nobody here understands calamitas character this is so sad

[zealous pier]

[spring helm]

calamitas would see kids on a playground and cry because she never got that

[pliant ruin]

REASL

SHE WOULD DO THAT

U GET IT

[novel tulip]

(she does it bevause she secretly enjoys going on the swings herself)

[brazen moth]

this is the only accurate one

[zealous pier]

so far you've just called her insane and weird for living in a cave

caves rock bro fym

[pliant ruin]

i never said shes weird

but she is though ur right

[zealous pier]

implied it

[brazen moth]

she’s a freaky little gal and i love her for that

[zealous pier]

🤦‍♂️

[pliant ruin]

i love my weird little traumatized witch

[brazen moth]

me too, buddy

[zealous pier]

not to mention the self love gang

aro ace characters rock

they are NOT waifus

[novel tulip]

calamitas is a silly individual

[brazen moth]

hell yeah

[brazen moth]

^^^^^

[graceful otter]

every story needs that insane girl

[dusty saffron]

you drew dat?

[zealous pier]

no i found it on reddit

[novel tulip]

fr

[pliant ruin]

🗣️

FACTS

SPEAK UR SHIT BROTHER AMEN

[dusty saffron]

ok

[zealous pier]

i fucking suck at drawing

[dusty saffron]

same

[spring helm]

draw anyway

[zealous pier]

i did

i made a really shitty animation once for a streamer i liked

[brazen moth]

if you want a calamity waifu you don’t have anything that won’t kill you, unless you’re a lesbian then you have cirrus

[dusty saffron]

personally i have scal getting the hug

[zealous pier]

what about the rare sand elemental

[spring helm]

she's taken

[mighty zenith]

its ok cirrus is bi
but i'm gonna hunt you down anyway

[spring helm]

by alcohol

[brazen moth]

sand.

[zealous pier]

"you're doing great scal now go commit genocide"

"oki dad :3"

[brazen moth]

oh i though she was a lesbian. cool

[pliant ruin]

my favorite calamity mod waifu is actually uhhhhh cnidrion

[brazen moth]

nooo this is so wrong

[dusty saffron]

ok the terrarian was the person on the right

[pliant ruin]

yharim was not her dad dont say that

[brazen moth]

permafrost is her dad

[pliant ruin]

thats permafrost

[zealous pier]

lmao thats even better

[pliant ruin]

permafrost is the cool dad

[novel tulip]

earth elemental

[pliant ruin]

hes the chill dad

these are all pun intended

[spring helm]

out of character

[dusty saffron]

no

[zealous pier]

"you're doing great calamitas now give me shattered community"

[dusty saffron]

the terrarian did omnicide

[pliant ruin]

omnicide???

[spring helm]

what did Omni ever do to you

[zealous pier]

yeah i meant better in a bad way

[pliant ruin]

bro killed some worms

[graceful otter]

@wheat walrus terrarian is killing you. how high do they scale

[zealous pier]

as in bad in a good way

better because its more absurd

[spring helm]

killing the player makes them beyond dimensional

[zealous pier]

[novel tulip]

what is calamitas' IQ?

[brazen moth]

7

[graceful otter]

fun fact, wulfrum amplifiers have this shape

[spring helm]

pure black

[novel tulip]

real

[dusty saffron]

no, i meant they killed everything

[graceful otter]

FUCK

[pliant ruin]

do u guys think calamitas likes to listen to hard rap tracks from time to time to pretend shes the one singing them to feel cool but then halfway through she starts realizing how shes actually a loser and rolls on the floor crying while fucking eminem keeps singing about how they didn't give him a award

[wheat walrus]

Below me cause they can only kill me at 0,000001%

[graceful otter]

SAKE

fun fact, wulfrum amplifiers have this shape

[novel tulip]

what

[spring helm]

dunce hat

[brazen moth]

yeah, now i do

[novel tulip]

wowee

[pliant ruin]

its my most overly specific headcanon yet

[spring helm]

here's my headcanon

[pliant ruin]

its also definitely not inspired partially by me

mhm no definitely not

[dusty saffron]

was that you

[pliant ruin]

no never i would never

[brazen moth]

she calls permafrost father

[graceful otter]

this is important for something cool upcoming i PROMISE

[pliant ruin]

i said this before but

a dad perma and cal interactionw

would go like

[dusty saffron]

this is my talent

[pliant ruin]

cal:

[novel tulip]

suuure

ok

[dusty saffron]

lake chargoggagoggmanchaugaggogchaubunagungamaugg

[brazen moth]

in my current playthrough im going to build a mansion for calamitas

[pliant ruin]

"Oh father of mine, may i please acquire some of the sweet fruit beverage contained within the ice box?"

[graceful otter]

it isss

u just need to trust me

[novel tulip]

ok ok

[pliant ruin]

perma:
"Oh! Yes calamitas you can drink OJ"

[brazen moth]

deadpan “thank you father.”

[pliant ruin]

shes such a little nerd i love her

i like this one

[brazen moth]

she’s autistic. that’s my headcanon

[pliant ruin]

real as fuck

[novel tulip]

does calamitas watch anime.

[graceful otter]

funny how stupid this looks when compared to a PURE black background (it looks fine if its grey)

[spring helm]

what am i looking at

[novel tulip]

still not sure where this is going...?

[graceful otter]

wulfrum!!

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas would watch the really sweet tropey anime where everything ends well and nothing bad ever happens

like sailor moon or something

[dusty saffron]

Nose.

[graceful otter]

No.

[zealous pier]

do she fw my little pony

[pliant ruin]

she fw my little pony.

[dusty saffron]

se.

[brazen moth]

she started watching madoka magica and by episode three she stops because she thought it was going to be a cute anime

[novel tulip]

lmaooo real

[spring helm]

she gets really into magical girl anime because they're lighthearted and fun and she wishes she could be them.

and then she watches madoka magika

[brazen moth]

that’s what i’m saying

[burnt olive]

calamitas the type to watch the chainsaw man anime because it popped up on hulu and then get emotionally devastated upon finding out about the manga

[pliant ruin]

episode three.

[mighty zenith]

Calamitas would lock her house and binge the entirety of ATLA

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-david-martinez-cyberpunk-edgerunners-anime-sad-gif-27401156

[brazen moth]

yeah…

[spring helm]

calamitas accidentally says "everypony" while fighting the terrarian and runs home crying

[novel tulip]

peak show

[pliant ruin]

OH MY GOD

UR SO REAL

THATS REAL

SHE WOULD DO THAT

u get it

[brazen moth]

absolutely

[spring helm]

"Do you not understand the path you are taking!? The harm it will cause to everypony?"
"Everywhat?
And then she disappears

[pliant ruin]

"DON'T YOU SEE, THIS PATH YOU'RE HEADING... YOU'RE JUST LIKE HIM... IF I DON'T STOP NOW, YOU'LL DO NOTHING BUT HARM EVERYPONY"

"I'M NOT LIKE T- wait what do you mean by everypony"

[novel tulip]

womp womp

[spring helm]

"FUCK I DIDNT SAY THAT"

[pliant ruin]

"FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK SHTI I SHOULDNT HAVE SAID THAT FUCK FUCK (starts bawling her eyes out and runs away without explaining a single word)

[brazen moth]

she listens to the sweetest silliest music

[dusty saffron]

the music she listens to have to be fire

[zealous pier]

bro prolly listens to nightcore

[pliant ruin]

she listens to shitty 2005 nightcore mixes

[brazen moth]

she tried listening to edgy stuff but sometimes it gets to much so she has to turn it off

[spring helm]

why does draedon have 2 knees on each leg

[solar wharf]

fuck the ponies

[untold bluff]

I wonder what calamitas did with cal clone outside of freeing her from draedon's lab

[pliant ruin]

probably nothing

[cloud ibex]

edgy malding cal who acts like she has no idea what the hell human culture is like vs failgirl cal who starts sobbing every time she slightly fucks something up

[pliant ruin]

she just freed her

[spring helm]

give her the ability to use some of her magic

[solar wharf]

why wouldnt she end cal clones misery?

[spring helm]

draedon notes that calclone got stronger after scal broke her out

[zealous pier]

"yo check this shit out"

[untold bluff]

Uh wasn't she given calamitas powers before breaking out

[pliant ruin]

headcanon

[untold bluff]

Which drover her mad

[pliant ruin]

she wasnt given anything

[solar wharf]

isnt calclone in like

constant pain

[pliant ruin]

she was just teached how to control her magic better by calamitas

[solar wharf]

or like is very fucked

[pliant ruin]

i mean to be fair

the draedon dialogue

dosent ever mention anything

[untold bluff]

They went out to have smoothies after breaking out

[solar wharf]

draedon doesnt exactly you know

[pliant ruin]

about it being particularly distorted or seemingly in pain

[solar wharf]

understand pain

[pliant ruin]

and calclone is

getting a major redesign, i assume

[spring helm]

wrong reply

[pliant ruin]

so i wouldn't doubt if new calclone was atleast a bit less fucked

[spring helm]

calclone couldnt use magic until scal broke her out

[solar wharf]

calamitas shouldv just killed her

[novel tulip]

what is calamitas' favourite colour

[dusty saffron]

probably edgy malding cal

[pliant ruin]

i mean, again, we don't really know if she's entirely canonically as tormented as she is ingame or in old lore

[brazen moth]

she says black, but it’s really pink

[spring helm]

the one that takes up the majority of her clothes i guess

[graceful otter]

definitely not red

[untold bluff]

I hope calamitas clone isn't a weird eye jewel monster anymore

[graceful otter]

i think red is the one colour she wishes she didnt have to see every day

[cloud ibex]

cal after almost burning down her kitchen trying to fry an egg

[novel tulip]

why the eggs look like provi

[untold bluff]

Lava sink

[solar wharf]

why does she attack the player again

[pliant ruin]

i don't think we even know

calclone rn is basically

nothing

[solar wharf]

?

[pliant ruin]

like there's almost nothing on her

no that's scal

he means calclone

[spring helm]

we pester her outside the cave until she gets pissed

[pliant ruin]

Almost all the information on calclone from old lore seems to have just

[vocal cairn]

Blackpink

[pliant ruin]

poof

[dusty saffron]

she is insane

[zealous pier]

same reason as mechanical bosses, just wandering around and killing shit

[untold bluff]

Cal clone is in serious need of a resprite and rework

[novel tulip]

nah she doesnt think we directly are yharim, we're just very similar to him

[brazen moth]

i want to hug both scal and calclone and tell them everything will be alright

[spring helm]

calclone was probably just attacking everything that moved

[abstract marten]

Im guessing this isnt fully expanded upon yet

[zealous pier]

fr

[vocal cairn]

Nuh uh im hugging yharim

[novel tulip]

yeah how concious actually is calclone?

[abstract marten]

Whats wrong with cal clone?

[vocal cairn]

we’re both jungle/bee stans

[spring helm]

aruic rejection

[abstract marten]

Doesnt it have the human sprite?

[pliant ruin]

That's supreme calamitas

Not calamitas clone

[untold bluff]

They were not killing random stuff, they killed gods for yharim

[brazen moth]

yharim stan, get ‘em!

[abstract marten]

Ye

[pliant ruin]

No, calamitas clan still evil eyeball guy

[vocal cairn]

Waiwaiwaiwait im also a draedon guy

[pliant ruin]

klcone

clone

brain fart

[vocal cairn]

I love machines

[solar wharf]

thats old lore no?

[spring helm]

draedon mentioned

[pliant ruin]

(Yharim isn't related to the jungle in any way you've been gaslighted)

[vocal cairn]

For some reason I feel like calclone falls a bit behind with the rest of the bosses

[spring helm]

sending draero

[zealous pier]

ig

[spring helm]

fall within my calculations

[pliant ruin]

Honestly if they make calamitas clone more human that'll fuck me up cuz that means we'll probably kill her

[vocal cairn]

Grrr fuck you it’s MY headcanon not yours

[solar wharf]

would need to give her a reason to attack the player as well

unless they want to make it so we attacked her

[pliant ruin]

Doubt there'd be room for two calamitas currently living in the lore

[spring helm]

so what's canon about calclone right now

[pliant ruin]

but now that i think about it

the entire scal enchanting mechanic is

[brazen moth]

i want to imagine that scal treats calclone like a sister and just hangs out with her, but i know it’s a futile thought

[pliant ruin]

soemthing that would be much better at a earlier point in the game

[graceful otter]

the bestiary calls it a machine housing a clone, and yharim didnt even know the machine had the clone inside, so i assume a repsrite will show the machine slowly breaking to reveal calclone (kinda like cryogen does now but better)

[dusty saffron]

she probably doesnt know she exists

[brazen moth]

no she does

[vocal cairn]

She does

[graceful otter]

holy shit i was right,,,

[dusty saffron]

or is alive

[pliant ruin]

what if calclone was also a npc but she got replaced by scal which is basically a Upgrade when you defeat her

[vocal cairn]

I think scal freed calclone in some timeperiod

[spring helm]

Yharim watching the terrarian fight calclone:
"Oh, the Terrarian is fighting a weird eyeball... wtf calamitas?"

[cosmic zenith]

The dialogue doesn't reflect it too well currently
Her dialogue will be rewritten to properly reflect the situation

While not tied specifically to her coming to the player, there's a lot we have planned for SCal's story

[solar wharf]

i'd rather we just kill her at that point

[pliant ruin]

sorry i'm just coping i can't bear the thought of killing my girl even if it's ac lone

[pliant ruin]

Again i don't think we

know

if she's

[vocal cairn]

Cal stan.. argh..

[pliant ruin]

the same tormented monster

as old lore

[spring helm]

does that include after we beat her?

[solar wharf]

yeah but like

[novel tulip]

i imagine that calclone is basically an underdeveloped humanoid sorta thing floating around inside of the shell

[mighty zenith]

i love clam but i'd still kill her if i could

for the L O R E

[solar wharf]

i'd rather for her to die then be abandoned

[graceful otter]

yes, npc dialogue will also be changed

[brazen moth]

@pliant ruin your thoughts?

[solar wharf]

and replaced with the real deal

[pliant ruin]

Nobody rly said she'd be abandoned tho

[solar wharf]

that would be kinda

fucked

[pliant ruin]

Like mechanically she'd be replaced but not like

literally

[cosmic zenith]

Well, you'll be able to interact with her after the fight
And we will improve her dialogue, preferrably improve the dialogue system

[solar wharf]

calclone or

cal

?

[spring helm]

DIALOGUE SYSTEM REWORK???

[pliant ruin]

THATS REAL

ASF

[mighty zenith]

pulling an "i can fix her " for calclone

[vocal cairn]

And since recently we can do draedate

[spring helm]

wait, the Master Spark?

like

[pliant ruin]

im sure theres atleast one person out there who thought of like

[spring helm]

TRANSFORMERS?

[graceful otter]

no, like touhou reference

[novel tulip]

crazy

[cosmic zenith]

(It's a Touhou reference)

[spring helm]

MORE TO VETRASYL THAN MEETS THE EYE!!!

well shit

[pliant ruin]

scla freeing calclone being actually a incredibly complex lore reveal that would lead to some crazy plot

[cosmic zenith]

(I've never played or watched Touhou)

[spring helm]

Draedon, summon thanatos on my ass

[pliant ruin]

but in reality she just dosen't want her to be used like she was

99%

im sure of it

[novel tulip]

nah but what do u guys think about this?

[graceful otter]

dw stip, keep going like that and youll be the average touhou fan!

heck, even right now i cant tell!!!

[spring helm]

TRUE

[pliant ruin]

i played some touhou before

[solar wharf]

what reason would calclone even have for attacking the player

[pliant ruin]

its a fun game

[cloud ibex]

you mean a fetus?

[solar wharf]

"oh hes like draedon"

[abstract marten]

Gotcha, I'm excited to see how it goes

[solar wharf]

DAMN!!!

[pliant ruin]

hes like desert scourge they both eat sand

[solar wharf]

she mistakes us for draedon!!!

[abstract marten]

Why is yharim not enraged you kill yharon despite his hatred of dragon genocide?

[pliant ruin]

(focuses on image of a random terrarian picking up a pile of sand and eating it)

[graceful otter]

yharon will come back

[solar wharf]

yharon cant die without his auric soul being destroyed

[novel tulip]

not necessarily a fetus, but like a cloned human that can't fully move and is wired up to the casing to control it

[solar wharf]

and since we didnt do that

he will be back

[graceful otter]

or absorbed

[solar wharf]

ye

[vocal cairn]

Wdym ”he will be back”

We haven’t fought him yet

[solar wharf]

hes

[abstract marten]

You dont kill his auric soul?

[graceful otter]

he will be reborn, as he does

[brazen moth]

dragon of rebirth

[solar wharf]

the dragon of rebirth

[solar wharf]

no, we take soul fragments

[vocal cairn]

Oh in that way yea

[solar wharf]

thats it

[vocal cairn]

Well arent we gonna fight him at the dragon aerie?

[pliant ruin]

no

[solar wharf]

yharim? yes

[pliant ruin]

hes dead

hes coming back like

idk

[solar wharf]

we are talking about

yharon

[pliant ruin]

way later

[solar wharf]

we are talking about yharon

[vocal cairn]

Oh yharon

[solar wharf]

not yharim

lol

yharim cant reincarnate

[vocal cairn]

Also

[solar wharf]

if he dies

hes dead

[pliant ruin]

im gonna kill yharim and feed him to my pet derpling

[brazen moth]

real

[pliant ruin]

wait those eat vital fluids actually nvm a dead guy wouldnt be good for them

[solar wharf]

honestly, i'd kill everyone that isnt my boy clothier

clothier is chill like that

[pliant ruin]

im gonna kill yharim and feed him to my pet Giant Squid

[vocal cairn]

#lore-discussion message curse you

[brazen moth]

i’m going to throw yharim into hell lava along with this weird egg, surly nothing bad will happen

[pliant ruin]

i assume atleast dead guy blood is probably not as good as live guy blood

[cosmic zenith]

Nope
Merely destroying it would be a waste, and it's not even known to be possible
The player can't absorb Yharon's soul to become a God, because naturally Yharim rid the world of that knowledge

[pliant ruin]

yharims a stinky man

he smells bad

[abstract marten]

Is there no way to kill his soul?

[cosmic zenith]

(Mostly)

[solar wharf]

only yharim, xeroc and silva knows it

[pliant ruin]

and crabulon

[solar wharf]

there probably is

[pliant ruin]

cuz hes the supergod of everything

[brisk frigate]

ascension

[solar wharf]

but we just dont know

no one knows

[vocal cairn]

Well atleast we both hate fanny right

[solar wharf]

theres also

[brisk frigate]

you need to ascend to kill the soul

[solar wharf]

absorbing it

to become a god

[pliant ruin]

idk what that is

[solar wharf]

which we dont know

[cloud ibex]

you know i've been wondering

[vocal cairn]

It’s better if you don’t know who fanny is

[cloud ibex]

what if you tried to do the auric soul ritual on a Not auric soul

[solar wharf]

actually fovos knows how to destroy an auric soul

thats about it

we killed him.

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah
All instances of Dragons permanently dying, in current lore, are due to their souls being absorbed

[cloud ibex]

like obviously you wouldn't become a god but would it do anything

[vocal cairn]

Fanny is a disgrace to what calamity stands for

[abstract marten]

Is it possible that we will eventually absorb the soul in order to be able to fight xeroc in the future? Like you kill yharon but the soul is found in like a temple just before fighting him?

[solar wharf]

wasnt zeratros on his dead bed... was about to die forever

[pliant ruin]

Doing the ritual on the soul of a blue slime

[solar wharf]

from the fight with fovos

?

[abstract marten]

If you cant say thats ok

[solar wharf]

i thought fovos managed to kill an auric dragon

[cloud ibex]

i was more thinking the souls of normal people

[pliant ruin]

I think if someone did that they'd like

[spring helm]

fovos is weird

[pliant ruin]

not even turn more powerful

they'd turn weaker

they'd become like,

[brazen moth]

zeratros would’ve come back

[solar wharf]

yeah but it was stated he wouldnt

[cosmic zenith]

He still didn't die
And it's still very mysterious as to why his power would be "lost forever"

[cosmic zenith]

Nope
We have no intention of making that possible

[cloud ibex]

i feel like there was definitely some fucker out there who tried experimenting with "ascending" with normal souls to see if you could still approximate becoming a god without needing an auric dragon

[pliant ruin]

instead of turning immortal they'd turn into mortal²

[solar wharf]

so we dont know

[vocal cairn]

Me when fovos fucks everything up

[solar wharf]

if fovos caused it

or not?

[pliant ruin]

It'd be basically impossible from a narrative standpoint

Absorbing the soul isn't just

go up to it

[cloud ibex]

undertale amalgamates

[pliant ruin]

eat it

or something

[abstract marten]

Is it because the terrarian isnt supposed to be evil in that way for the story?

[dusty saffron]

why cant we kill xeroc

[pliant ruin]

It needs

a incredibly specific ritual

that only 3 people in the world

rn

know

[abstract marten]

Gotcha

[solar wharf]

moreso the terrarain physically cant

[cosmic zenith]

Not really, the Terrarian is a blank slate

[brazen moth]

4, crabulon

[pliant ruin]

and one is yharim (not fucking telling us ever) silva ("dead") xeroc (missing)

[pliant ruin]

his words are too godly for us to understand

even if he were to tell us how we'd not understand his divine speech

[solar wharf]

SG and providence which we uh

killed with our hands

[pliant ruin]

yep

[vocal cairn]

Yharim is at the dragon aerie grrr

[pliant ruin]

and providence would just kill us if we asked

[spring helm]

neither would tell you too

[cosmic zenith]

As mentioned before, very few people still know the ritual, and they're really not gonna tell you

Besides, I
If you were to absorb Yharon's soul, you'd become a God
And we have no way of implementing that ingame without it being underwhelming

[pliant ruin]

slime god is a MAYBE if the circumstances were different

but provi

yeah shes just

shes setting you on fire before you even finish speaking

[solar wharf]

making respawning canon...

[abstract marten]

It would be kind of cool if you had the choice of taking the soul or not doing so before fighting xeroc as a sort of character driven choice but I get you, its not necessary for the goals of the narrative

[spring helm]

no

[vocal cairn]

SoE?

[brazen moth]

providence is kinda hot

[cosmic zenith]

Wdym?

[pliant ruin]

also consuming yharons soul wouldnt be that evil besides for the fact you're causing a extinction honestly hes kind of fucked up he probably desrves it

[mighty zenith]

what does soul of eternity have to do with this

[cloud ibex]

where is goku

[vocal cairn]

Thats how to implement it ;D

[spring helm]

da fak am looking at

[solar wharf]

i would kill a dictator that killed millions even if he was the last human

hes going down with the rest of our species

[pliant ruin]

yeah it would be a net positive

[vocal cairn]

Idk where he is

[pliant ruin]

its just that the only thing evil about is that you're extinctioning a species but like

hes a evil mfer so

[cosmic zenith]

Would probably be the most OP ability in the lore
It's also highly unlikely to happen due to how domains mutate during ascension and how even Yharon (whose domain is Rebirth) couldn't respawn in few seconds

[solar wharf]

yeah but similar to how xeroc >>> zeratros

what says the player isnt

yharon

after ascending

[brisk frigate]

still

seconds

compared to years

[cosmic zenith]

Xeroc wasn't always this powerful

[solar wharf]

15 seconds is a lot of time you know

[brisk frigate]

and xeroc trained

a lot

[solar wharf]

neither were we

[cosmic zenith]

They're over 800 years old

So freshly-ascended you definitely wouldn't have that level of power

[zealous pier]

was he pretty powerful tho when he was still a mortal

[cosmic zenith]

Currently vague

[wheat walrus]

can Xeroc destroy the multiverse

:3333333

he definitely can!!!

he's god!

[zealous pier]

didnt he get a piece of primordial light as part of his job as zeratros' personal monk

[cosmic zenith]

[solar wharf]

(say yes to fuck up omni's powerscaling please)

[cosmic zenith]

That's not stated anywhere

[wheat walrus]

not like it would

[cosmic zenith]

Nor is it stated that they were Zeratros' personal monk

[solar wharf]

was zeratros funny

[zealous pier]

i just assumed since zeratros is the dragon of light and in the concept art of xeroc he's got the light symbol floating behind him or was that unofficial art

[solar wharf]

did he have humor

[spring helm]

dear lord some random monk walked up to the king of dragons and ate him

[cosmic zenith]

It's official art
But it's still speculation

[solar wharf]

bro was not suppose to be there

[brazen moth]

he could probably light up a room

[zealous pier]

zeratros was like "oh hey xeroc what are you up to?" and xeroc was like "godhood"

[solar wharf]

LMAO

[spring helm]

"Oh man, that squid guy really fucked me up. i'm going to need to take some time to recover and—who is that monk walking up to me?"

[zealous pier]

then zeratros went "ahh no my soul" and fucking died

[pliant ruin]

new headcanon

[split forge]

seems safe to say whatever monkhood he was a part of was involved with the dragon of light but in what fashion is unclear

[solar wharf]

yeah...?

im waiting?

[spring helm]

let her cook, duck

[dusty saffron]

vertrasyl, why is a ~20 year old stronger than a 2000 year old dragon

[zealous pier]

i bet he was supposed to help dragons with rebirth but decided not to for some reason

[spring helm]

in the meantime

[solar wharf]

OK WHERE IS THE COOKING

[split forge]

also i think its taken at face value that the dragons were good and just considering that the only guy we get that from is Yharon

[pliant ruin]

I WAS PINGED

IN ANOTHER SERVER

[spring helm]

im cooking something devious

[pliant ruin]

MEAN

[solar wharf]

woow

[pliant ruin]

IE

ok anyways.

[solar wharf]

that other server more important than us?

cant believe it cheese

traitor to the lorians

[zealous pier]

of course! they stole their auric souls from ancient bird creatures

[pliant ruin]

NEW HEADCANON xeroc has zeratros following them around in their head like a little ghost buddy

[split forge]

like that could just be complete bullshit

[solar wharf]

DAMN

[zealous pier]

thats why they are feathered reptiles

[spring helm]

that's funny, heacanon accepted

[pliant ruin]

also yes

it is

its canonically bullshit

[zealous pier]

xeroc was his light pet lmao

[pliant ruin]

not all dragons were good

[solar wharf]

thats already semi-confirmed

[mighty zenith]

TFS piccolo

[solar wharf]

in the bestiary whos confirmed to not be biased stated that

[dusty saffron]

it is, but one dragon is confirmed to be evil; providence, with righteous fury, slew a dragon

[split forge]

huh, neat

[cold owl]

Why did the terrarian kill the Drsgon cult? They were doing nothing.

My guess is that since Yharim brought them up multiple times, the Terrarian assumed they were evil?

[solar wharf]

providence anger toward the flame dragon was righteous, and her anger was big enough for providence to actually outright kill the dragon

which implies what the flame dragon did

was worthy of death

[dusty saffron]

so who knows whether or not the dragons were even WORSE than Yharim after Yharon indoctrinated him that all dragons were good

[zealous pier]

they were worshipping an octopus >:(

[solar wharf]

headcanon

lunatic cultist in lore

[brazen moth]

they were not

[solar wharf]

was actually trapping the octopus

they also are the dragon cults

[zealous pier]

whatever they were doing it was octopus related >:(

[dusty saffron]

and inevitably, yharim would easily believe yharon as yharim was almost killed by the gods

[solar wharf]

i'd assume dragons entrusted them with the seal on the dragon cult

fovos seal

but that isnt confirmed

[cold owl]

Canonical the Terrarian only learns about the moon lord and the story of the draconic Era after cultist.

Since its said in prelude

Which drops from cultist

[solar wharf]

rebecca kinda confirmed that ML

was actually known

although it was in the sense

of like

what is it called

LEGENDS

that

idk if it was confirmation

or

like her headcannon

but yeah

[spring helm]

well it did happen like 800 years ago

probably a bedtime story for a lot of people

[solar wharf]

another thing also

[brazen moth]

850-860 years specifically!

[solar wharf]

doesnt amidias tell us to go after the cultist to free the moonlord to kill him?

i mean its outdated dialogue

so like

is it REALLY

canon?

[spring helm]

yeah, he says to free the moon lord if you want yharim's attention or something

[cosmic zenith]

There is a reason, have fun speculating
We've already spread the hints

[cold owl]

Maybe the terrarian heard the legends and put the prices together.

Still why would we kill cultist, we are releasing the thing that killed the dragon.

[solar wharf]

thats headcannon

its up to you

what is ur reasoning

ML is optional boss fight no/

u can just say ur terrarain never killed him

[spring helm]

so we can kill moon lord

[cosmic zenith]

And keep in mind, Yharon existing for 2000+ years doesn't mean he never died during that period. He very clearly did, since he was in the form of an egg when Yharim was still under the control of Gods

[cold owl]

Maybe

[cold owl]

I think its hunted he died when Yharim says the gods thought him culled with the other dragons

He prob died and would eventually rebirth

[cosmic zenith]

The Dragon Cult is more than just 5 members
If your Terrarian killed Cultist, it might have something to do with breaking the seal binding Moon Lord to his lunar prison

[cosmic zenith]

I recommend reviewing the entry's wording

[dusty saffron]

maybe theres a thing where whenever Yharon died he was set back in strength for some time

[cold owl]

True, cuz its not a must kill boss i think

[cosmic zenith]

Providence fought the Flame Dragon with the 3 Guardians by her side

[solar wharf]

In a time lost to memory, there were four visionaries. With righteous fury, they slew a dragon, and their leader gorged Herself upon its auric soul of Flame. “The world is without guidance, and its people are filled with darkness.” She said. There was silence, until Providence spoke once more. “Let us go forth, and light the world anew.” And it was so.

[brazen moth]

also dragon cult is not innocent, they trapped the clothier and were complicit with yharim’s genocide

[dusty saffron]

it is how u gonna spawn ML

[solar wharf]

ML is a must boss?

[dusty saffron]

maybe providence was a bit selfish?

[solar wharf]

what does he give you that u need

for cal/exo mechs

[solar wharf]

then fury wouldnt be righteous np?

no*

im very tired i should be asleep rn

[dusty saffron]

righteous in THEIR mind

[cosmic zenith]

Note that "righteous fury" doesn't specify the target of such fury

[solar wharf]

yeah

but it is a dragon no?

[cosmic zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows

[cold owl]

I dont think ML is a need to kill boss either

[cosmic zenith]

It's not specified

[graceful otter]

ml is required

[solar wharf]

why would they feel righteous fury to ONLY then slay a dragon

[graceful otter]

see above

[solar wharf]

bestiary is non biased

so it wasnt rightenous in their mind

it was righteous.

[dusty saffron]

hes required to beat the game; but you prob dont need his stuff

[cosmic zenith]

So keep track of what is fact and what is speculation carefully
It will help you interpret and predict things more accurately

[graceful otter]

provi had a very good reason to be angry

[solar wharf]

"with righteous fury, they slew a dragon"

that fury seems like it was directed toward a dragon

[graceful otter]

maybe it wasnt the dragon specifically but dragons in general

[solar wharf]

that wouldnt disprove anything then

[graceful otter]

or something the dragons did/didnt do

[cold owl]

Then it is probably Adidas gelling u to do it or a headcannon

[solar wharf]

wdym

[graceful otter]

idk

what do i mean

[dusty saffron]

or just their hatred on the people filled with darkness? idk

vertrasyl im not good at english

[scenic olive]

[brazen moth]

will the target of their fury ever be confirmed?

i personally think it might be another god

[cosmic zenith]

We would want to do that, yes

[brisk frigate]

I wonder who/s

[cosmic zenith]

The Providence lore is conceptualized, it's a matter of finding an implementation and executing it

[zealous pier]

ethnic cleansing via fire

[dusty saffron]

i feel like the target of their fury was the people who are filled with darkness

[zealous pier]

it was evil talk for "everyone with a pulse"

[scenic olive]

dragon fury

[dusty saffron]

the sentences could be seen as

| with righteus fury | they slew a dragon |

instead of

| with righteous fury they slow a dragon |

[scenic olive]

how does holy fire reduce you back into mana

[dusty saffron]

uhh burns all of you but mana cant be burnt ig

[scenic olive]

okay explain mana burn then

why does it hurt

[spring helm]

maybe matter is fundamentally made from mana and holy fire burns you at the subatomic level

[graceful otter]

this is

[scenic olive]

what is that pfp 💀

draedon

[graceful otter]

actually pretty close to what my theory on how planets and therefore matter is formed

[spring helm]

considering mana just exists in abundance in space and forms stars, like how stars form irl from nebulas

it's likely an element or something similar

in my eyes at least

[graceful otter]

it is also a similar way how irl stars are done

yea

so

[spring helm]

im working on an upgraded form

[graceful otter]

astral infection is what happens when there isnt any mana left to absorb, so it just collapses in itself right?

so wat about the opposite

too much mana

it gets bigger and bigger

[scenic olive]

invasive mana

[graceful otter]

eventually, pockets of mana conjure into different elements

which then results in a planet

[dusty saffron]

can black holes exist in the calamity universe

because stars are so fucking small

[scenic olive]

probably

enough mana

[graceful otter]

as long as physics is the same, then yea

[scenic olive]

you can get a black hole

[spring helm]

I thought stars got astral infection when they get too big and collapse in on themselves

[novel tulip]

drippee

[graceful otter]

whether they can form naturally is debatable tho

[scenic olive]

nahh i think it was the dying star

[graceful otter]

no, just when theyre unable to absorb more mana

[scenic olive]

dying star that forms astral infection within them

[scenic olive]

maybe

maybe thats what it is

Astral Infection is the anomaly

the black hole

actually no

[spring helm]

unlike a black hole, astral infecrion seems to be sentient

in some way

[scenic olive]

i think its more akin to Strange Matter

[graceful otter]

this is still incredibly funny to think about

astral infection is like

whispering shit into a squirrels ear

telling it to join its side

[scenic olive]

like an advanced form of Matter

like godly essence that forms (crimson, corruption, hallow)

[spring helm]

"become one with the rot"
"squeak?"

[dusty saffron]

astral infection cannot infect your body without your consent

[spring helm]

like a vampire entering your home

[scenic olive]

godly essence in its most basic form is probably mana

[graceful otter]

like honestly

what the FUCK is astral infection telling vultures n shit

what is it preaching

[scenic olive]

just slightly more superior form of matter

[brazen moth]

is terraria flat

[scenic olive]

which might explain why it "infects" everything around it

[scenic olive]

yeah "supposed higher truth'

[dusty saffron]

it probably messes with the neurons of sentient animals but sapient animals cant

[scenic olive]

so my theory is Astral Infection is actually an advanced form of mana

[eager bluff]

yummy slug

[scenic olive]

or matter

[spring helm]

it's complexity probably that stops the astral infection

an intelligent mind is too complex in its neural pathways to take over

[scenic olive]

huh

[eager bluff]

unlike a vulture we can call the astral out on its bullshit

[graceful otter]

anyways

[scenic olive]

how does it checks the intelligence?

[graceful otter]

Their pincers work not only as a weapon, but as a means of spreading the star further. By digging their claws into the ground, they are capable of infecting nearby caves with the help of their supercharged cores.
what the fuck is it spreading if not more astral infection

[scenic olive]

like if Auric can recognize Souls, how does Astral Infection recognize higher form of thinking

[spring helm]

i'm not saying that the astral checks the intelligence of a being to infect, but that an intelligent being would have a brain too complex for the infection to take over

like if you got a child to solve calculus

just cant do it

[eager bluff]

neural pathways number density and activity probably

[spring helm]

horrifying implication

call God

[scenic olive]

well that would leave you with a body riddled with the infection

[spring helm]

if the brain is still intact, perhaps the immune system could fight it off then

[graceful otter]

astral is just a parasite

[scenic olive]

like you would change biologically

[eager bluff]

id say the astral needs to take over the mind before everything else

[spring helm]

astral body horror

remaining conscious while your body is taken by a space parasite

[scenic olive]

Halo flood but Terraria

[eager bluff]

hence why aureus can be infected while draedon isnt

[graceful otter]

it can infect things without a mind, like draedons recon body

[scenic olive]

yeah im also wondering how would this work with inorganic intelligence

[eager bluff]

processors

[scenic olive]

how about Astrum Deus

hes not controlled by the astral infection right

[eager bluff]

they most likely have their own processing system and at least some rudimentary autonomous function when draedon isnt there

[eager bluff]

it is

its fully infected

[scenic olive]

hold on

was Deus supposed to only eat dying stars before they form astral infection within

[dusty saffron]

deus just eats dying stars because hes hungry

[scenic olive]

is this deus infected because he accidentally eat an astral star

[graceful otter]

yes

[scenic olive]

mmm food

[eager bluff]

ye

[cloud ibex]

food poisoning

[scenic olive]

hmm

does Primordial Light exist anywhere else other than terraria

i meant PL as in the sun