suggestions-discussion

[gaunt tiger]

I said more major btw
don't make it a major boss

[fossil finch]

and another 4 minor ones

[gaunt tiger]

it's basically a fucking miniboss rn

[drowsy plank]

the obvious solution is to make perennial spawn after beating the yharim army whenever the hell that gets added

[fossil finch]

its not basically a fucking miniboss rn

lol lmao lol lmao

[gaunt tiger]

sounds like you have a skill issue

lol

[crude geode]

me when a boss doesn't drop 500 items (it isn't a REAL boss)

[fossil finch]

if your problem is that his drops arent useful thats a very different thing

sounds like YOU have the game design skill issue

[gray nebula]

we should spruce up the late game pist ml by adding new dimensions to explore

[crude geode]

bosses are allowed to only drop like 1 thing for each class yknow

[gray nebula]

outer an inner space of the flat earth

[swift wharf]

[steep kettle]

Dragonfolly (fake)

[gaunt tiger]

I mean I'd like post ml to be slower
hardmode is a fucking spaghetti mess but let's not talk about that

[gray nebula]

with solar sun's and lunar moons except Mercury which Is androgynous aand both a solar sun an à lunar moon

[gaunt tiger]

I love hardmode™️

I love hardmode so much™️

[drowsy plank]

perrenial dimension real?1?!?!?!?! 😱

[crude geode]

then why suggest putting MORE IMPORTANCE ON A BOSS.

[gaunt tiger]

not bloated with content

hardmode is not bloated

[fossil finch]

so true!
It would contain cool worldbuilding and interesting themes and enemies outside of the scope of Terraria's wacky mixed entrails of strange nature

[gray nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999816933715234888/999817809410400337/1654451877850.webm

this is the concept art

[crude geode]

woah

[gray nebula]

take the red pill

[crude geode]

epicsauce

[fossil finch]

instead it would be space related and bring closer to the player the wonders of celestial entities and their importance in the world of calamity

[gray nebula]

also prehmbis less bloated

[fossil finch]

its also related to xeroc and noxus because phup casually said that like he said that distortion was related to those two like what the fuck

[gaunt tiger]

no but actually why all the dismissal of making the content in the game more important

[fossil finch]

because its boss content

[crude geode]

bc you're asking to make a boss more important

[gray nebula]

no the goal is to make content more impotrtant the thing is that dragonfolly doesnt need to do perrenial stuff

[crude geode]

in the portion of the game where bosses get literally ALL OF THE ATTENTION

[drowsy plank]

dragonfolly literally does so much already i dont know why ur writing it off like it's king slime

[gaunt tiger]

well how the fuck do I suggest anything biome related when there's biome stuff on the horizon

[drowsy plank]

it's already a required boss

[crude geode]

have patience?

[gaunt tiger]

mfw I can't contribute to the conversation

[drowsy plank]

make perennial post-Pirates

[gray nebula]

just suggest utility items

[gaunt tiger]

mfw trying to discuss things results in john wulfrum's strongest soldiers shit talking me

maybe perennial ore should literally be removed

[gray nebula]

my offer that every utility item that is nice may get to replace a perrenial weapon

.

[drowsy plank]

i liked the mega sunflower idea from earlier, that one was cool

[gray nebula]

(gus braeking bad in a suit looking classy picture here)

ok but tis my idea

[crude geode]

you forget that SIS aren't allowed

[novel belfry]

cool

[gray nebula]

you guys cant just take my idea and then say its done like be creative

[drowsy plank]

no i know i just wanted to say that

[gray nebula]

grrr

also yea but i mean im not ttelling you guys to suggest stuff in posting im talking about here

[gaunt tiger]

how about an item that locates shrines like the lab locators

[gray nebula]

#communityinteraction #cfommunitymanager #goodpr #awesomepr #thiswillbringengagementup

no

[gaunt tiger]

how about you can craft the drill mount

[gray nebula]

twas a respectable attempt but shrines are dumb and will get bark bark bark barf

[crude geode]

this will definitely affect the trout population

[fossil bronze]

move crusher to auric tier? cringe
move crystyl crusher to perennial

[swift wharf]

I think those are getting killed

[gray nebula]

just ask for a cooler digging tool oh wait i have like 3 of those already coded and ready to be shipped

[swift wharf]

the shrines I mean

[drowsy plank]

can we get something to make farming trees easier. or like, getting a lot of wood. i end up terraforming too much and it can make just getting normal trees growing hard when my plains biome is now all arena

[gray nebula]

picture shrines as infant children and the developers as pitbulls

[drowsy plank]

maybe that's my own fault idk

[swift wharf]

[gray nebula]

youre asking for bone meal

[swift wharf]

mining living trees is a nice source of wood

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

terraria skyblock mod

real

[gaunt tiger]

how about a summoner accessory that cycles between buffing sentry damage, minion damage, and lowering damage but increasing survivability

[fossil bronze]

"is calamity a minecraft clone??"

[gray nebula]

what do you mean by "that cycles"

jesse,

jesse, stuff thats out of the players hands doesnt feel good to use

[gaunt tiger]

every X seconds, the buff moves to the next step

in a little loop

[fossil bronze]

that sounds bad

[gray nebula]

you want them to feel like theyre in control not just some passive thing that does damage buffs

[fossil bronze]

and not fun

[swift wharf]

that would be funky to use

[gaunt tiger]

it'd be funky and fun

[gray nebula]

not really

it would be out of your control

[swift wharf]

summoner weapon that cycles between different minions everytime you use it

[gray nebula]

summoners already have like minimal control

[fossil bronze]

it'd be really annoying i think
to have to change you rplaystyle based on a n arbitrary timer

[gaunt tiger]

then don't use it

[gray nebula]

summoner weapon but if you hold right click it switches from attacking to actually healing you

[drowsy plank]

idk im trying to think of something plant related and i dont mean bone meal, terraria trees grow pretty fast but once you chop the original ones you world generates with all you get are these scrawny ass baby ones so you need to dedicate like a massive area just to get a stack of wood or something

[gray nebula]

and you can heal friends in multiplayer

healer class real

that would be awesome

[fossil bronze]

thorium

[crude geode]

copying thorium lesgo

[swift wharf]

sounds useless (friendless)

[gaunt tiger]

summoner has 3 distinct weapon types that don't really play nice

[gray nebula]

i mean yea but bone meal and better axes would help

[gaunt tiger]

an item that encourages active use of all of them would be good

[gray nebula]

im not gonna do somthing that like changes tree generation just for that like unfortunate yet true

also i mean just have a better synergy then

[drowsy plank]

ok that is also true

[gaunt tiger]

"It's out of their hands" but it's interesting

[gray nebula]

instead of "it switches"

[swift wharf]

turn feller of evergreens into a better axe

[gray nebula]

its great buy gemtech (summoner edition)

im not turning feller of evergreens into a better axe its early game a s fuck

gotta scale stuff up

[gaunt tiger]

so remove gemtech 🙂

[swift wharf]

make it not early game

[gray nebula]

zzz

[swift wharf]

it already outclasses pregame melee weapons

[drowsy plank]

gemtech do be a donor item tho fr fr

[gray nebula]

also that accessory isnt even utility

[crude geode]

so true

[gray nebula]

i was asking for accessories

no

[gaunt tiger]

nah it's not utility lol

[gray nebula]

utility i mean

woops

[fossil bronze]

if you want people to use sentries and summons and whips together then they should just work better together
having a specific item that makes them synergize would be really weird

[gaunt tiger]

no SIS

[swift wharf]

it literally means breaker of forests smh

[crude geode]

I'd love for an accessory to turn every mining tool into a gravedigger's shovel equivalent, but I'm not sure how feasible that would be

[gray nebula]

i mean whipps work good with minions thats like

thats how it be

also that sounds a bit silly i dont wanna like

m

[gaunt tiger]

no they don't whips don't work lol

in vanilla they do tho lol

[fossil bronze]

HYOU WHAT

[novel belfry]

ohyeah

[gaunt tiger]

ik what you mean

[swift wharf]

they work sometimes

[drowsy plank]

something that buffs mining area would be cool

[gaunt tiger]

just memeing

[gray nebula]

stuff that just reworks every item in x category to do sometghing

kinda poopy popo

i prefer just doing one item cool

has less chance to burn and crash with other mods

am i right

[swift wharf]

hey guys we should give a parry to all swords

[crude geode]

mod compatibility moment

[gray nebula]

EXACTLY, exactly

i mean i am awseome i keep other mods in mind not like... the strange shr**m which doesnt even try to keep our own mod in mind and therefore doesnt really work with custom drawing anywyas

[gaunt tiger]

an accessory that veinmines but doesn't break your fucking game

[drowsy plank]

what if we just have a better tool that works like shovel instead. like shovel is a pre-HM tool right

[fossil bronze]

i can't believe iban doesn't want to turn calamity into overhaul 2

[gray nebula]

wulfrum digging turtles use those or ask for an upgradew hen they release

ask for a shovel upgrade then; bis

[hollow shell]

What's this conversation about, I missed the context

[gaunt tiger]

a perennial pylon!

it uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

pylon

[crude geode]

iban

[hot zephyr]

iba

[crude geode]

yes

ib

[swift wharf]

iba pla

[hot zephyr]

@gray nebula can you add the mcrib

[crude geode]

can you add big floppa

[drowsy plank]

mcrib sweep

[hot zephyr]

no

[hollow shell]

My question remains unanswered

[gray nebula]

im doing EPIC community interaction im sorry if i shouldnt be doing this here

[swift wharf]

something something utility

[gaunt tiger]

an upgrade to cellphone that combines with the seashell and lava seashell and also takes you to world spawn

and it's perennial

[crude geode]

prolly should be somewhere else now that the sugg police have come

[gray nebula]

basically earlier i went "ok if you guys can find me a good utility item ill try to replace a perrenial weapon with it for when we rework the set"

but liek damn these dudes so far have been struggle to come up with stuff awesome enough for my standards

[hollow shell]

Alright sure I guess

[gaunt tiger]

aw cmon what about the cellphone idea

[gray nebula]

its just a cellphone remix its not original

[drowsy plank]

iban has very high standards

[swift wharf]

ok what do we have for the perennial weapons

[gray nebula]

a lot of them

we have quagmire family guy tho

also its fine if not all of the m get deleted its just that im p sure theres probably more than one item per class anyways so its silly

like theres a sword, a spear, and a yoyo all for melee

[drowsy plank]

if ur wondering it's like, the normal ore weapons + everglade spray

[fossil bronze]

cellphone+seashells+the astral thing that teleports you?

[gray nebula]

and a bow and a crossbow how original

[swift wharf]

make so it spreads jungle seeds or smth

idk

perennial hoe

[crude geode]

I love when #suggestions-discussion tries to do game development

[small timber]

I think 1.4.4 make cell phone as materials so

[swift wharf]

bro I'm too old for suggestions

[small timber]

(and BOB)

[gaunt tiger]

I love it when you literally contribute nothing to a conversation except shutting people down
fuck off

[gray nebula]

i mean its ok having a lot of silly little guys doing silly little suggestions is always good for community engagement

[drowsy plank]

actually endless jungle seeds could be nice considering how often u need jungle arenas
but that is also kinda staff of regrowth idk??

[gray nebula]

also calm down velvet theyre just doing a little trolling

[fossil bronze]

it'd be kinda cool to have something to make dirt into mud for jungles like clentaminator imo

[swift wharf]

bring back sis so I can give good suggestions

[gaunt tiger]

it's every time I'm in here

[swift wharf]

Oh shit true

[gray nebula]

i would shut people down all the time and i do but i just dont speak coherently enough to offend people reliably

[gaunt tiger]

it's getting on my nerves tbh

[gray nebula]

chilloux

[gaunt tiger]

k

[gray nebula]

like its just suggestions like its just different standards of suggestions like i mean like unfortunately so far you havent been able to come up with anything id consider adding but i mean im just still standing there im not going skill issue or smth its unproductive but like i mean i dont think cursed being is evil or hates you

[small timber]

Oh god cool whip

[gray nebula]

or .. do they (i turn at the camera

[crude geode]

very true (I remember pixl bringing up like 3 different google docs for shit)

[gaunt tiger]

it's not just me it's a lot of ppl

[fossil bronze]

calmain reality tv show ??

[gaunt tiger]

ye it's fine that I'm not reaching the standard for things going into the game, I could guess that easy

lol

[small timber]

@novel belfry if possible may you give example of the boss you try to use coolwhip against and are too slow? And also the difficulty mode you are playing

[gray nebula]

does she have 3 docs for PR? holy crapperoni

get me in there

[small timber]

Since otherwise it can be very hard to gauge how it actually performs

[crude geode]

she did like 3, one for general boss changes, another for like mage weapons that are cringe, and I think maybe one more?

[gray nebula]

thas not prr...

[crude geode]

general boss changes mostly got yeeted which was kinda based

[gaunt tiger]

what about a mount that gives you noclip

nah

[swift wharf]

yes

[novel belfry]

Cryogen, on Deathmode

[swift wharf]

perennial thing that makes you go through blocks mmm

[fossil bronze]

public relations more like public relosers

[small timber]

Oh right cryogen is always ultra fast for summon

[novel belfry]

and also Aquatic Scourge as well

[fossil finch]

Perennial Builder wand (quick block filling
Thematically its the plants growing into the blocks idk

[novel belfry]

huh, a lot of summons are just... slow

[swift wharf]

cool whip is pretty scuffed

[gray nebula]

true that

so its like wulfrum scaffold kit but it does areas right

square ones

and permanent

[small timber]

IMO I do think you can put those boss in the suggestion though, especially aquatic scourge which is a massive target and cooldwhip somehow still cant catch up

[gray nebula]

and then you can blockswap them?

[crude geode]

more ice rod utility type stuff is always cool

[drowsy plank]

that sounds really useful actually

[burnt condor]

having some way of changing dirt to mud outside of manually replacing blocks would be so helpful especially in situations of jungle corruption or building an artificial glowing mushroom biome but that also sounds like a pain to code

[swift wharf]

I meam

n

[gray nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746479943290060900/948265561933103164/Sorcerwrench.gif

[swift wharf]

if dark green solution is a thing I don't think it's that hard

[gray nebula]

this but instead of breaking its placing

[crude geode]

sick

[fossil bronze]

calamity already has custom clentaminator solutions as well
so it should be doable i think

[crude geode]

why does every utility tool use mana

[fossil finch]

You could or they blockswap themselves afterwards with a preselected block

[swift wharf]

yeah

[swift wharf]

balance

[gaunt tiger]

in a similar vein to the fill tool, a copy and paste tool?

[gray nebula]

yeathas what im sayin

you fill the thing and then boom it veinmines itself into becoming the block type ya want

[fossil finch]

Plants that mimic the form of something you tell them to and then you can move them around mayhaps

Yea

[gray nebula]

no you cant move them around

[fossil finch]

Cool building!!!

[gaunt tiger]

it'd also be helpful for making arenas

[swift wharf]

give it shapes

would be epic

[gaunt tiger]

you make 1 chunk of arena and copy paste it around

[gray nebula]

its an unlimited resource that prevents stuff from getting spammed

[novel belfry]

This discussion is driving me nuts

Going back to homework now

[fossil finch]

your platforms imploding and running out in 3

[fossil bronze]

didn't someone already just make this suggestion a few days ago

[gaunt tiger]

nah it should just actually copy them

[swift wharf]

perennial platforms

[fossil bronze]

(gruesome eminence)

[drowsy plank]

@warped jetty someone already suggested something like that a few days ago and it was shot down, they're not going to do something like that

[fossil finch]

I was gonna say something about life fruit lamps but vanilla may add those and it's not very interesting

[swift wharf]

wait it insta kills you

[drowsy plank]

no

[gaunt tiger]

a light source that is really really really really bright

[drowsy plank]

it does 92 damage

[swift wharf]

bruh tf

[burnt condor]

one wrinkle to a copy and paste tool is how it manages the resources in your inventory

[gaunt tiger]

a ultrahyperbright torch

[swift wharf]

that'd be nice ig

[gray nebula]

thats called.. DEFENSE

LMAO!

[swift wharf]

except for abyss

[gray nebula]

its not instakill isnt it

[drowsy plank]

it deals only 92 damage

[gaunt tiger]

maybe it attempts to place them, and if you don't have the required blocks, it pops up a message like "you don't have XYZ items"

[drowsy plank]

no where even close

[swift wharf]

people are bad

imagine dying to your own weapon

[fossil finch]

no it just pastes as much as you have

[gray nebula]

no i m not making a copy paste tool not perrenial

just a fill tool

[dusty stirrup]

damn

[fossil finch]

So it'd be imcomplete

[dusty stirrup]

It goes up to 420 on master

[gray nebula]

oh it scales with difficulties?

[gaunt tiger]

cri

[gray nebula]

thats funny

[drowsy plank]

oh wow it does

[dusty stirrup]

With vanilla difficulties yeah

[drowsy plank]

i was only reading the end of the page

[swift wharf]

just dodge it iirc

[fossil finch]

No copypaste tool is ok tbh

Filling is enough

[fossil bronze]

if you want copypaste then
cheat sheet

[fossil finch]

Now i have to think cool building things we need

[gaunt tiger]

item that makes buff potions not consumable? potions being consumable is fucking horribly cringe

[fossil finch]

no

[gray nebula]

maybe

like not like that

i wouldnt do itl ike that

[swift wharf]

doesn't Amalgam do that already kinda

[gaunt tiger]

ye ye

[gray nebula]

i was thinking maybe do it for permafrost

[burnt condor]

that thing with ropes going downwards as long as there's space beneath but instead it's platforms going horizontally

[gray nebula]

like some potion auto drinker when you respawn or something

[fossil finch]

Amalgam makes potions comically long

[gray nebula]

or astral maybe

[gaunt tiger]

but potions being consumable is annoying

[dusty stirrup]

Well

they are potions

[swift wharf]

perennial ropes

[gaunt tiger]

it just punishes dying by forcing you to grind

[gray nebula]

im not making them unconsumable mid game if its annoying just buy em or cheat em in

[gaunt tiger]

that's horrible game design

[small timber]

That is the definition of consumable yeah

[fossil finch]

theyre potions imagine like

[drowsy plank]

that's why they're potions and not accessories

[fossil finch]

Imagine this argument in any other way

[gray nebula]

i mean lets not use any consumable am i right

[crude geode]

me when a consumable is consumable and not infinite

[gray nebula]

item hoarding explaiend

[fossil finch]

The problem is that they're obligatory

[fossil bronze]

just don't use potions, trolled

[small timber]

It is better to make potions more obtainable than just make them straight up not consumed, and for unconsumable potion you have a lot of mods for that

[swift wharf]

just get 500k souls and craft a toggle

[gaunt tiger]

just grind for items that are required because it's tuned around them being used lol

[fossil finch]

not that they're consumible

[drowsy plank]

you could prolly just up the output when crafting if it's really that bad

[fossil finch]

then make them not required

[gray nebula]

anyways gonna stop looking at this chat if any of you guys have a really good idea like idk like say my name a lot ill find it when i look back at thechat

[dusty stirrup]

How are they required

[gray nebula]

only for good ideas tho

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[gray nebula]

dont say my name if the idea isnt good im like a devil names have power you understand

[dusty stirrup]

I guess it kinda sucks that everything is balanced with having all potions chugged in mind tho

[gaunt tiger]

maybe if the mod is balanced around potion useage you shouldn't need alchemist npc or fargo's

[fossil finch]

Literally solve the problem instead of destroying the sense of what a potion is

[crude geode]

minmaxing or smthn.

[gray nebula]

calamity makes npcs sell potion s lol

[swift wharf]

chains-

[gray nebula]

sawman

lets go

[swift wharf]

no way

csm in calamity mod

[gray nebula]

could have a thing that auto buys potions

[drowsy plank]

real

[gray nebula]

thatd be funny

[fossil finch]

It's not minmaxing its just that calamity really is more balanced around you using potions that not

[gray nebula]

stock trader extreme

[drowsy plank]

it would

[gaunt tiger]

god please

[gray nebula]

takes your money and pumps it into your veins

[gaunt tiger]

I would use it

[gray nebula]

ok but not perrenial

[swift wharf]

cruelty squad in terraria

(please)

[fossil finch]

Stock Trading cookie clicker minigame in calamity

[gaunt tiger]

oooh maybe it could be a reference to PDA from ratchet and clank?

maybe hehe?

[small timber]

Or just make the amalgam component for extend potion duration available earloer i progression (which I think should be cotbg effect tbh)

[gray nebula]

i didnt pla y ratched and clank

[fossil bronze]

references

[drowsy plank]

stonks

[gray nebula]

your opportunity for a reference was ruined

[fossil finch]

References cries

[burnt condor]

ratchet and clank is cool

[gray nebula]

i only d o references to stuff i know and like because im biased and evil

[drowsy plank]

make it a reference for the econony (fake thing from monopoly)

[small timber]

It will not solve it but at least help, and will make ravager the boss that drop unique effect accessories like blood pact, warding totem and staff

[crude geode]

evil cal team won't add more jojo references

[fossil finch]

Has any dev played pikmin we need a pikmin reference in calamity

[gaunt tiger]

darn. well, potion buying item would be raelly really cool

maybe it's an item, and when you use it it pops up an interface, and you click the buffs you want, and then it totals up the price
you click apply, and you get all those buffs until you die (or ig save quit)

[fossil bronze]

calamity team hates the players, they won't add more mgr references

[swift wharf]

amazon tablet

[drowsy plank]

just look at a plant or something that's a pikmin reference bc they both have leaves

[fossil bronze]

"touch grass"

[fossil finch]

Crying this is harassment

[swift wharf]

amadron drone comes in grabs your emeralds and places pcbs in the chest mmyes

[drowsy plank]

[gray nebula]

i fucking love pikmin

[fossil finch]

based

[gray nebula]

back to watching Breaking Bad

[swift wharf]

but how about perennial stations that do something to its surroundings

[fossil finch]

based

[crude geode]

strongest cal fan vs weakest cal dev (it is a fucking blowout and the cal fan dies instantly)

[fossil bronze]

kid named yharon:

[swift wharf]

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah it turns the game into pvz

[swift wharf]

YOOOO

[gaunt tiger]

it would be nice for the potion item to be earlier in the game
but ig I could cheat it in early

[fossil finch]

Perennial actually would be a great place for a pikmin reference but(!) nothing pikmin fits the requirement of an utility item as far as i can go
Maybe something about pills and onions.....

[fossil bronze]

but you can only get one of them in game normally, the rest cost $5 each

[dusty stirrup]

[gaunt tiger]

oh, how about an item that lets you teleport to pylons from anywhere, provided a boss isn't alive

[fossil finch]

pvz2 isn't real shut up

[burnt condor]

idk. perennial flower that applies dryad's blessing around wherever it's placed. is this anything

[dusty stirrup]

Sunflower EX

😲

[gaunt tiger]

what about the pylon item 😦

[fossil bronze]

isn't that just universal pylon but not endgame

[gaunt tiger]

not exactly

[fossil finch]

pylon range extensor is called a teleporter

[gaunt tiger]

also the universal pylon is rarted

[dusty stirrup]

Pocket Universal Pylon without the ridiculous requirement to get it

[gaunt tiger]

ye

it would be harmless

but useful

[small timber]

Didnt looked at the above convo but I assume is to add perennial utility item

Some sort of "natural ligting generator" will be cool placed in a way functionally similar to the wulfrum scalfholdong

I always find it ocd inducing to place torches evenly or give up because it is way too annoying, and it is still extremely ugly even with biome torches

[burnt condor]

I actually like the distance between pylons being just that but that may just be me

[fossil finch]

HOLY SHIT TRUE

[gaunt tiger]

I like placing pylons everywhere too, but having to travel to a pylon to teleport is a mild inconvenience that we could avoid

[fossil finch]

Make it like the lighting block from Astral Sorcery
It generates sparks in caves below it all the time
Instead of sparks perennial's could be flowers or spores

[fossil bronze]

you could magic mirror and put a pylon at spawn

[gaunt tiger]

perennial platforms that function as light sources

[fossil finch]

no

[fossil bronze]

that's what i do

[fossil finch]

Boring

[gaunt tiger]

I could but I don't want to

[fossil finch]

Iirc

It has to be cool

[burnt condor]

I still think platform extenders would b Cool

[vapid crane]

TELEPORTERS!!!

[frozen hornet]

Can there be something that gets rid of astral fog

[fossil finch]

Lighting Generator is more broad doesn't require comical tile placing and is cooler

[frozen hornet]

I'm building a station and it just looks blurry

[fossil finch]

It's fine its the astral aesthetic

[frozen hornet]

At least make it disappear when in front of a wall,

[fossil finch]

Also comical stardust drop placements i think

[gaunt tiger]

TRAIN MOUNT
THAT PLACES RAILS AS YOU GO, IF YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR INVENTORY

[fossil finch]

Already exists

[gaunt tiger]

CHOO CHOO

[dusty stirrup]

Mole Cart

[fossil finch]

I think

[frozen hornet]

like the other aesthetic effects (snowstorms and sandstorms)

[gaunt tiger]

wait really

god damn it

[drowsy plank]

yeah lemme

[fossil finch]

Yeah mole cart

[drowsy plank]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Digging_Molecart

[drowsy plank]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Teleporter

[vapid crane]

yeah that was my point, they already exist

[gaunt tiger]

magical weather vein that lets you change the weather

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[frozen hornet]

Exo air purifier that gets rid of astral fog...

[fossil bronze]

you can already toggle all 3 weather events iirc

[gaunt tiger]

wait fr

[drowsy plank]

i think they meant more like, a teleporter from the inventory, not to mention pylons show up on the map while teles done

yeah

[gaunt tiger]

ye

this

[drowsy plank]

arid artifact, the teardrop, and well... snow is just rain but in the snow biome

[gaunt tiger]

an item that lets you pylon from anywhere when used

that isn't placeable

[drowsy plank]

an actually cool item would be something that lets you control moon phases

i dont think anything does that yet besides like

spamming cosmolight i guess

[vapid crane]

hm

how would that be balanced

[drowsy plank]

but that's lame

[dusty stirrup]

when the

extremely niche

[frozen hornet]

Simply put a cooldown

[vapid crane]

my message lagged I was replying to this

[gaunt tiger]

a vending machine that lets you buy the current tier's healing potions

[drowsy plank]

i mean we are kinda scrapping the bottom of the barrel here as is

also did you know wraiths and demon eyes spawn more often during the new moon cause i didnt

why do moon phases affect so many random things

[dusty stirrup]

I don't know it's another one of those Luck-Type mechanics

[burnt condor]

couldn't you just magic mirror and use a pylon near your spawn?

[frozen hornet]

No way is that a risk of rain 2:survivors of the void reference

[dusty stirrup]

[gaunt tiger]

an item that combines all of the buff stations and placeables together

[gaunt tiger]

what is risk of rain 2

[small timber]

Oh right current tier healing potion are actually extremely costly isnt it

[fossil bronze]

moon phase is the first luck-type mechanic

[dusty stirrup]

woah hahahha no way Nurse

[fossil bronze]

first strand-type mechanic

[frozen hornet]

TRUE

[gaunt tiger]

wat

but making potions is inconvenient

[dusty stirrup]

I mean it's basically what Nurse does but worse

[gaunt tiger]

no?

wait does the nurse have a shop??

she doesn't right

[small timber]

200 need fragment , 250 need unholy essence, 300 need 10 blood orbs per potion

[dusty stirrup]

You talked about healing potions

healing potions heal hp

[frozen hornet]

There's an equipment that calls down a vending machine that heals you if you put some money into it

[dusty stirrup]

Nurse heals you in exchange for money

[gaunt tiger]

buying healing potions isn't the same as the nurse what the fuck

what

am I missing osmething

sorrry

I am confuse

[drowsy plank]

merchant sells on tier potions p sure. well at least til Moon Lord i think
maybe just ask for the rest of the healing potion stocks to be added to him

[dusty stirrup]

Those are like the easiest type of potion to acquire graaah

[frozen hornet]

You can just kill bosses to get healing potions

smh...

[gaunt tiger]

oh
some of the later ones are a bit of a pain
it'd be harmless utility no?

why not

[dusty stirrup]

It feels pointless

[gaunt tiger]

when you're stuck on a boss you really burn through potions

[drowsy plank]

just add them to merchant inventory like ive been saying this is a good idea just make it a sugg

we dont need new content just for this

[gaunt tiger]

that is a good idea

[dusty stirrup]

No need to put it on new content anyway yeah

[small timber]

Currently supreme healing potion to unholy essence ratio is 1 to 1 which I do feel is a bit too high, same with omega with 10 blood orb per potion

[dusty stirrup]

Eternal cycle of giving money more value but also making money easier to get so we keep adding ways to use money so we keep

[burnt condor]

shops are a little clunky to go through tho imo

[fossil finch]

Velvet speedrunning boss centric qol and cognitive "moon phases"

[gaunt tiger]

lol

boss centric qol is my jam

[small timber]

I do feel their convert ratio (eg: 1 to 4 like super) will feel much better for an item so essential

[crude geode]

truely

[dusty stirrup]

Reject capitalism, bring back barter

[gaunt tiger]

I have like 10 qol mods installed but I'd prefer calamity to just be actually balanced around people not gridnign for 10000 years

[drowsy plank]

bro a barter merchant would be fun as hell

but also prolly a nightmare to program

[dusty stirrup]

[fossil bronze]

the virgin barter vs the chad "give people things"

[small timber]

Barter unique ingredients with cook npc for exquisitely stuffed food instead of making permafrost's delicious meat just 30 min purchasable exq stuffed

[drowsy plank]

look someone already recommended a no clip mount like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here as is, so why not fuck with moon phases. we're knee deep in obscure shit as is

[burnt condor]

I agree but I also feel like. the line between grinding and resource gathering can get really blurry in terraria

[gaunt tiger]

those what don't ask don't get

[gaunt tiger]

that's why it being part of calamity is better than a qol mod

because then it can be balanced

[fossil finch]

It's not but go off slay destroy make w's continue have fun

[vapid crane]

I just seriously dislike adding more and more things to npc shops

[gray nebula]

AGREED MAFIO

[dusty stirrup]

Mafio is based

[fossil finch]

Devs do too

[small timber]

I think velvet should install nycronohitefficiency just because a lot of these are offered on it

[dusty stirrup]

How much money do exo mechs drop now

[gaunt tiger]

I do have nycro

[small timber]

(also this is my idea if it havent been proposed.before)

[fossil finch]

noooo but making terraria just bossrush^infinity is truly what it was about

No respirce gathering ever

[gaunt tiger]

I like gathering resources

but I don't like gathering resources forever

[fossil finch]

At least 20 platinum

[fossil bronze]

15 play each according to the wiki

plat

[dusty stirrup]

I thought it head reached the 3 digits by now

[fossil bronze]

(exo mechs)

[small timber]

Another one is an instant reach highest level of the block possible rope/vine generator that you can easily break by breaking the bottom block, not sure how to describe it

Makes start of HM and general building easier when wings have crippled flight and flying mounts are uncommon

[gaunt tiger]

if you could craft "upgraded" potions that aren't consumable I would love that so much

[dusty stirrup]

I guess those difficulties increasing money yield really did stack hard

[fossil bronze]

wait to exo mechs money stack

or is it just last one killed

[fossil finch]

Bosses drop potions and money separately

So yeah

Probably

[dusty stirrup]

death

[gaunt tiger]

I like the idea of having herb farms, but I don't like having to farm fish and other such obscure materials

so having a way to make permanent potions would be great

[dusty stirrup]

bloob;,,,d. orbs

[gaunt tiger]

but they are also a pain to farm

I don't want to farm mindlessly this isn't an mmo

[fossil finch]

Then buy them

[dusty stirrup]

I hate the idea of fixing the problem by making unconsumable potions instead of just making the grind easier/more enjoyeable

[small timber]

Instead of that probably should just make fishing rod better tbh, currently the earliest actually good multirod is scoria

[fossil finch]

(We already have 30 ways oh my god

[crude geode]

trueeeee

[gaunt tiger]

well that's what i mean about making unconsumable potions

[drowsy plank]

i like fishing i deadass have been meaning to make a video on how to make a fishing farm for calamity specifically cause it's actually kinda fun figuring out how to fit all the biomes in esp with how many you can now artificially add

[gaunt tiger]

they could be a recipe where you have to do one interesting or manageable grind

and then you are done

[dusty stirrup]

We already have accessories/weapons/etc.

[crude geode]

"make potions into lore items"

[drowsy plank]

real

[dusty stirrup]

Woahhh

that is a terrifying vibe

[small timber]

There are too many mods that add unconsumable potions that I feel at this point should just let those mods handle it rather than have calamity do it (not like cal added their own boss checklist or recipe browser)

[dusty stirrup]

Fargo's Funny Mod

[gaunt tiger]

if there was a way I could have non consumable potions that the game makes me earn instead of needing to blatantly cheat using those mods I would love it

that is all I am trying to say

[fossil bronze]

fargo mod calamity (real)

[gaunt tiger]

I don't think that's as hot a take as you guys are making it out to be

[drowsy plank]

just suggest more potions per craft if it's so hard to get them

[dusty stirrup]

It kinda changes a lot regarding potions lol

[drowsy plank]

calamity already does that with their potions

[crude geode]

it kinda changes the "consumable" part of consumables

[small timber]

The thing is most potions (even those include fishing) are actually not that hard to get especially with cal giving out fishing gear on DS

It is just, some effort and thats it

[dusty stirrup]

I'd rather not have everything be turned into one and done grinds

[gaunt tiger]

why

[dusty stirrup]

Because the game is already enough of a boss rush as is

[gaunt tiger]

repetitive boring grinds like making consumables is pointless friction that does nothing but draw out boss progression

[small timber]

To me it feels like similar to "add an item combining 999 platinum coin into infinite money" where it is a one and done grind

[drowsy plank]

i like playing the game sometimes actually and making farms and such to effectively make resources infinite through game mechanics is a lot cooler than just making them infinite off the bat

like minecraft iron farms

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah I guess it does get repetive boring if you have played through the game/mod several hundred times

Let's make non-boss progression more interesting instead of just telling the player to ignore as much of non-boss content as possible

[gaunt tiger]

even a difficult deterministic way to get an infinite potion would be nice imo
one grind per potion maybe

[drowsy plank]

i just wish terraria had more options to do as such

[dusty stirrup]

minecraft AFK farms 😍

they are so funny

[drowsy plank]

make a fishing and herb farm =)

it really aint that bad

[gaunt tiger]

but that's not interesting

[drowsy plank]

lies

[gaunt tiger]

also the npcs sell potions

[drowsy plank]

ok make an enemy farm

[crude geode]

npcs selling potions was a mistake.

[drowsy plank]

idc not my life

[small timber]

I mean... One big grind and done is not exactly the most interesting either

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dusty stirrup]

true oomfie

[gaunt tiger]

yes, it was

buffs feel like a formality

it's a pain

[drowsy plank]

i really wanted to ask iban to make tree farms viable with something in the perrenial tier but idk how id suggest that, at least herbs and fishing are compact

[crude geode]

herbs are compact?

[drowsy plank]

iban add a bonzai tree so i can farm wood in a small area pls 🙏

[crude geode]

since when

[drowsy plank]

mostly! just get a staff of regrowth lmao

[gaunt tiger]

good idea actually

[drowsy plank]

at least once u consider i think a fishing farm is compact and it's about 300 x 100 blocks lmao

[small timber]

I dont really feel the herb part of potion grinds need help tbh, they are always very abundant (especially staff of regrowth have recipe now)

[fossil bronze]

staff of regrowth + planter boxes and you've got yourself basically the best garden

[dusty stirrup]

hehehehaha

[burnt condor]

I. genuinely like to hear you out but I too am against nonconsumable potions. calamity already makes the potions so much more accessible than vanilla with blood orbs and npc shops and if it's a one and done thing like an accessory it kinda defeats the purpose of the potions in the first place. my own take is to make potions less of a necessity for the mod's balance and more boosts if you're having a hard time but I think that ship has way past sailed

(...which is all points everyone else has made because I am a slow typer. sad.)

[fossil bronze]

you don't even need it to be that big to get decent amount of potions

[crude geode]

L + slow typer + gotta go fast + 🤓

[gaunt tiger]

at this point
just literally make potions not work on rev+

terraria is not an mmo

[fossil bronze]

" 🤓 " 🤓

[crude geode]

[sand ermine]

[fossil bronze]

bruh

[dusty stirrup]

Add alcohol poisoning to potions

[fossil bronze]

why would you remove potions on rev+ what how does that help

[sand ermine]

literally like 40% of my defense and stats comes From potions

[dusty stirrup]

[crude geode]

realistic

[gaunt tiger]

well if potions are all but required on higher difficulties, why are they even there

it's padding

go grind your potions before the next boss

[dusty stirrup]

This is such logic

[crude geode]

they. aren't?

[gaunt tiger]

can't have your dessert until you eat your greens

[fossil bronze]

you can definitely do calamity without potions

[small timber]

Potions to certain degree is a reward for effort, for lower difficulties it is a get out of jail card when you are stucked on a boss, for higher difficulty your reward is to fight bosses at equal footing with the increased power level

Removing potions will make the mod even more of a boss rush than before, as you just "oh I beat this boss, lets start the next one with 0 preparation because there is none"

[gaunt tiger]

getting the new gear

[burnt condor]

(I feel like potions are very much a part of the intended calamity experience)

[gaunt tiger]

literally this

[dusty stirrup]

Wow I feel like we have already gone over all these points before

[drowsy plank]

they are helpful but you dont need to get them

[dusty stirrup]

Can we move on now please

[small timber]

A lot of gear are tier based, not all bosses unlock grinding gear, bosses also drop their own weapon that are viable for the tier

[gaunt tiger]

if you want to give exploration more of a focus what if crafting recipes for gear require more world drops

[crude geode]

yeah we have tbfh

[drowsy plank]

i love when we have long drawn out balance discussions that completely ignore the suggestions in posting lmfao

[small timber]

But ya, I dont think cal will ever remove potions anyway so probably should move on

[drowsy plank]

we never even really covered the cool whip thing

[frozen hornet]

They kinda did that

[drowsy plank]

sides xpc

[frozen hornet]

Added mollusk shells to a bunch of stuff

[gaunt tiger]

aight ima head out

[dusty stirrup]

Like I'm pretty sure at this point everything that could be said has been said and neither sides want to hear anything about it so

[frozen hornet]

absorber and abyssal suit

[crude geode]

I love differing opinions on game design

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

an aoe based pickaxe / drill would be pogging

[dusty stirrup]

Absorber recipe jumpscare

[frozen hornet]

starbo-

[fossil bronze]

minecraft hammer reference

[cobalt pewter]

terror

[drowsy plank]

velvet please

[gaunt tiger]

yeah ok

fair

[dusty stirrup]

Wulfrum turtle upgrade but it can be remotely exploded for a large aoe effect

[small timber]

Well the plan is to improve on the boss rush problem, one step at a time, but ya

[dusty stirrup]

xd

[cobalt pewter]

C4 digging kits true

[frozen hornet]

Repair units except they do the opposite of repairing

[cobalt pewter]

we on our way to completely obliterate the environment

(true Terraria player spirit)

[gaunt tiger]

water bombs that place water

[frozen hornet]

Wet bombs exist

[small timber]

Wait that actually already exist

[fossil bronze]

average destroying the environment fan vs average being terrified to build anything which will change the environment enjoyer

[small timber]

Lava bomb too I think? Not sure about honey bomb

[burnt condor]

I like the shovel upgrade suggestion I'd vote for that

[dusty stirrup]

those all exist iirc

[hot zephyr]

uelibloom shovel

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[hot zephyr]

crits while airborne

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

also kill tracers iirc....

[dusty stirrup]

frzvicking truew

[cobalt pewter]

might as well invest into more gaming boots that ain't just an outdated and potentially broken concept that forces the item to be bad in order to facilitate that concept

(tldr remove tracers altogether)

[drowsy plank]

god

[frozen hornet]

Aerial bane copypasta

[drowsy plank]

i kinda like the tracer niche

[small timber]

'crits while airborne' so all the time

[cobalt pewter]

terraria hm be like

[crude geode]

least dedicated boot hater

[dusty stirrup]

Remove wings from tracers because the wing/boots fusion was a mistake

[cobalt pewter]

T R U E

[dusty stirrup]

(alternatively give an alternative to not anger the wingboot users)

[cobalt pewter]

Even red ks heavily against it

[frozen hornet]

No more free 2 slots immediately into post ML

[drowsy plank]

arent tracers not even that good

[small timber]

I do feel tracers are sufficiently nerf that they are fine

[dusty stirrup]

Tracers are pretty bad now

[drowsy plank]

yeah i like the idea of new alt boots and just having both

[crude geode]

movement speed affecting wings kinda murdered them

[drowsy plank]

options are good

[dusty stirrup]

You're better off just not using boots at all in place of a post-ml wing because you won't spend much time on the ground anyway

[cobalt pewter]

better make boot line that makes you able to Rider kick bosses to the shadowrealm

[small timber]

Celestial is the one that is great, thats about it

[hot zephyr]

they're alright if you're minmaxing a stat that isn't movement

elysian is pretty good

[fossil bronze]

were tracers significantly nerfed recently (like after 2.0?)

[hot zephyr]

seraph doodoo

[dusty stirrup]

If there was a boot line that gave you more interesting movement abilities it would be

mua

[small timber]

The extra iframe is very useful

[dusty stirrup]

(gravistar boots0

[fossil bronze]

because when i played i barely found a difference betwee n the top tier tracers and wings iirc

[frozen hornet]

Sabaton is nut

[crude geode]

gravistar boots my beloved piece of trash

[fossil bronze]

idk about the lower teir ones tho

[cobalt pewter]

it still hasn't been buffed yet because trol

[cobalt pewter]

this is so me

[small timber]

Wings tend to give set bonus, especially like taragon and silva

[frozen hornet]

Make it headstompers risk of rain

[dusty stirrup]

Gravistar Sabatons feel like a vanilla expert item

[crude geode]

true.

[drowsy plank]

wings are affected by movement speed changes while tracers aren't i guess?

there are a lot of expert items in calamity that are

[cobalt pewter]

well, it was.

[drowsy plank]

ehhhh

[dusty stirrup]

[small timber]

Gravistar is actually one of the best effect you can get if it dont require a slot

[crude geode]

vanilla expert items range from shit to shield of cthulhu

[swift wharf]

btw what happened to the godslayer jetpack thingy

[small timber]

So yes it is a useful piece of trash

[drowsy plank]

never happened because no sprite i guess

[fossil bronze]

no sprites

[dusty stirrup]

No one made a sprite that the devs liked enough to implement

[frozen hornet]

megamind image

[dusty stirrup]

then it was forgotten or something

[swift wharf]

[fossil bronze]

please someone make a sprite it's been there for months

[swift wharf]

just use a placeholder

not having them is cringggg

[frozen hornet]

Close to a year now

More than a year actually

December 2020

[drowsy plank]

i tried but the spriting server was even harsher than this channel and i never bothered with them again

[small timber]

Just make elysian tracer the 'godslayer wing' :trolled:

[frozen hornet]

Yesus kristo

[swift wharf]

why does Silva get good items

[dusty stirrup]

Godslayer wings vs Silva weapons

[crude geode]

bc melee rogue and ranged don't deserve good things

[dusty stirrup]

Neither would win because they don't exist

[crude geode]

trueeeeee

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[drowsy plank]

does any class

[crude geode]

summoner deserves better.

[drowsy plank]

whips

[crude geode]

balance nerds be like

[swift wharf]

tag damage

[hollow yarrow]

are their gonna be any new classes added in the future?

[drowsy plank]

no

you should probably read the pins

[swift wharf]

hot take
make current classes better

[crude geode]

very true

[drowsy plank]

wtf real?!? 😱

[dusty stirrup]

Well considering Rogue would probably not have existed if the dev team didn't get the news that throwing was getting removed in advance, No

[crude geode]

Ranged's ammo mechanic is not used well

and mage is mhage

[swift wharf]

remove ammo damage

iirc

[crude geode]

true

[fossil bronze]

ammo would be cooler if it worked with special projectiles on weapons imo

[dusty stirrup]

Remake everything from the ground up

[crude geode]

yeah cmon bro just like do it

[swift wharf]

remove ammo dmg and give everything +10 dmg that's eaaaasy

[crude geode]

pixl's totally gonna do it for mhage 😤

[fossil bronze]

like half the guns in calamity only work with basic bullets or have their special effect removed

same with bows i think

[dusty stirrup]

😸

[small timber]

I think that is the main point, so that they can still.be used with special bullet/arrow

(though it do result in luminite arrow situation)

[drowsy plank]

if you wanna program projectile variants for every single special weapon or ammo type combination be my guest, the best ur gonna get is higher damage

[fossil bronze]

solution: remove ammo

[dusty stirrup]

It also makes them easier to balance because otherwise they would probably be balanced with the ammo with the highest base dmg in mind

[drowsy plank]

real

[dusty stirrup]

[crude geode]

so true

[fossil bronze]

ranger becomes third mana class

[drowsy plank]

better a mana class with cool mechanics then a broken mess

[hollow yarrow]

why play ranged when you can play mage

[swift wharf]

all projectile weapons come from ranged wake up

[small timber]

I do think it is still ideal to make the basic ammo convert to treat as the highest damage ammo for the weapon on tier tbh, since after last testing some ammo are so superior that they perform better than the convert

[crude geode]

I honestly wouldn't mind damage being thrown out for ammo but also like testers would probably tear me to shreds for that

[drowsy plank]

either you get cool weapons or cool ammo

but not both

[small timber]

Alluvion had a solid 50% more damage on luminite arrow than its wooden arrow convert on yharon because of wooden arrow low base damage

[fossil bronze]

alternatively, you could have neither

[hot zephyr]

the opposite

ammo damage causes more pain to testers than not

[crude geode]

fair

then just remove it

[dusty stirrup]

p90

[swift wharf]

why do my bullets have 0 damage 😭

[drowsy plank]

the ol world evil V causing problems again

[small timber]

The gun is dealing the damage not the ammo :clueless:

[crude geode]

yeah world generation is wack

[dusty stirrup]

It's easier to kill with a really shitty non specific shortsword than a bullet in your hand

[drowsy plank]

doesnt astral already spawn in a specific place near the dungeon or something on first gen

[swift wharf]

yea

[fossil bronze]

hallow doesn't spawn in a specific place though

[drowsy plank]

unluckiest man on the planet

or using small world

[swift wharf]

that suggestion would probably fuck world gen even more

[crude geode]

@gusty burrow were you using a small world

[gusty burrow]

no

large

[drowsy plank]

damn

really just the unluckiest guy ever

[swift wharf]

yep

[crude geode]

damn

[dusty stirrup]

when the world is so large yet so little

[gusty burrow]

happened to a dude in cmt that’s why i made the suggestion

it happened to me a while ago tho

[drowsy plank]

it would be cool if the world evil V generation was less
absolutely awful

cmt?

[crude geode]

cmt more like cbt

[swift wharf]

I think you can uhhh get hallowed solution from the spelunky

[gusty burrow]

cmt👍

[swift wharf]

SPELUNKY??

[crude geode]

not spelunky but dryad

[swift wharf]

I'm stupid hold on

[drowsy plank]

...steampunker

[swift wharf]

YEAH

THAT

[drowsy plank]

god

[crude geode]

:clueless:

[swift wharf]

it's 11 pm give me a break

[crude geode]

it's chill.

[drowsy plank]

no i know i just never expected to laugh so much in this channel

like some of the stuff back when iban was around genuinely had me laughing out loud

[hot zephyr]

y'know calamity can make extra large world now

suggest calamity sized worlds with designated astral location

so shrimple

[drowsy plank]

calamity custom world size

neat

[crude geode]

calamitous world size

takes you 30 minutes to get from one side of the world to the other, with a gaming chair

[hot zephyr]

thank god pylons exist

[vocal grotto]

Requires 8GB of memory to load the entire thing

[hot zephyr]

GOOD

Fuck low end PCs

[vocal grotto]

All PCs must pass the Profaned Moonlight Dye Test in order to proceed

[violet pivot]

I have a suggestion for the dungeon, some times you have to farm for an accessory/weapon post plantera in the dungeon but said enemy only spawn if the walls for example are bricks but in your dungeon only a small portion of it is brick wall, that can make farming for that accessory/weapon frustrating and more time consuming than it should be, so my idea is make the generation of the dungeon better split the three types of walls or make the wizard npc sell them like he does with the weapons

[hollow shell]

The Clothier sells Unsafe Dungeon Walls.

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Dungeon_Wall_Unsafe

[violet pivot]

yes I know that but it's something that always happens when the dungeon is generated

[hollow shell]

From your phrasing it seemed like you were asking for the Wizard to sell the walls

[violet pivot]

no, what I mean is either make the wizard sell the accessories post plantera of the dungeon or make the dungeon split better the walls

almost everything is tiled wall only a small part has brick or slab walls

if you want to farm for a scope for ranger it's super hard to make snipers spawn

[swift wharf]

npcs selling the accs/weapons post plant would make farming them pointless

at least right after plant

[violet pivot]

Im not saying it has to be post plantera

[swift wharf]

but I get what you mean

yeah

[small timber]

Scope is sold by gundealer no?

Post golem or something

[violet pivot]

when does the wizard starts to sell the dungeon weapons again?

[small timber]

Ok took awhile to load, they are all postgolem

Both the gundealer weapons and wizard sell dungeon stuff after post Golem

[small timber]

@lean cipher need proper formatting for the suggestion, title and body of the suggestion need to be split for the boss to process the suggestion

but ya regardless a same idea is proposed just yesterday so go vote for it instead #suggestions-voting message

[lean cipher]

yeah fixed it

[hollow shell]

I thin Depsa is actually suggesting for omnidirectional swinging

That other sugg was just useturn

[small timber]

oh, ya didnt noticed it

[hollow shell]

Regardless I ❗ 'd it because that's kinda outside the scope of Calamity to edit the core swinging mechanic of all swords (vanilla included) like that

and iirc there is a mod that does this already

[lean cipher]

alright

im pretty sure its overhaul but that revamps literally everything

[hollow shell]

Nah nah I mean a dedicated separate mod

[lean cipher]

if thats the case then that'd be great

[small timber]

omniswing I think
I think the general approach vanilla is taking is that vanilla stuff are kept as they are unless they are incredibly boring

[hollow shell]

Not Omniswing, that gives everything autoswing

It's this mod, just found it
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2563528791

[lean cipher]

i think i should reword it

"make all swords that shoot projectiles omnidirectional"

[small timber]

isnt that already the case?

[lean cipher]

no

unless its a bug, bladecrest oathsword does not aim

[hollow shell]

The swords themselves still have the overhead swing but in most cases the projectiles do shoot in full 360

Bladecrest being one of the few exceptions, I was boutta mention

[lean cipher]

i see

[small timber]

I thought bladecrest is semi-shortsword, ya

[hollow shell]

In fact is this entire suggestion just about Bladecrest?

[lean cipher]

not entirely but very heavily linked to that yes

[small timber]

iirc pretty much only projectile shortsword dont have omnidirectional targeting

[lean cipher]

i like to have the option to actually hit where im looking

[hollow shell]

Very few other swords in the mod work like Bladecrest

I think like, one other sword does

All the rest of them aim at the cursor

[lean cipher]

yeah i know most dont fall victim to the directional shooting

[hollow shell]

Their projectiles, that is.

[small timber]

can you list examples? because I only remember galileo gladius and thats it

[lean cipher]

but even then some true melee swords do not

i cant remember off the top of my head

but i know like 80% of broadswords dont

[small timber]

true melees to certain degree are deliberate for balance reason

[lean cipher]

i mean, you are sacrificing your ranged ability in order for a small damage boost so being unable to aim it feels like it cancels out the buff entirely

you're risking life and still have a chance to completely whiff a swing

[small timber]

true melee tend to deal like nearly 3-5x more damage than ranged options (depend on weapon of course) so they are not exactly small

[lean cipher]

i guess not small yeah

[small timber]

I do think they should be given less damage but more utility (like you said, not locking to overhead) but as of right now they are balanced that way

[lean cipher]

but no matter you are forced to get very close to the enemy

[small timber]

that, kinda is the point of true melee? you trade risk for high reward

[lean cipher]

i under stand that but that high reward could just be completely voided by a quick mis-turn

[hollow shell]

Ok, so
Depsa if your suggestion this whole time was referring to projectile firing direction and not the sword swinging arc, you should definitely reword your suggestion, and include all the examples of swords that currently do not have a full 360 range of projectile shooting, because there are not many

[small timber]

I dislike how it is pretty much "abuse adrenaline burst" but ya, the general idea is still there

I am cheat sheeting melee weapons to try right now and except for forbidden oathblade and the proj shortsword all of them have omnidirectional swing

[hollow shell]

Can you try the Ravager sword, I seem to recall it having a fixed firing angle for its projs

[lean cipher]

ill just delete it for now and spend some time sifting through which weapons dont work

[hollow shell]

(Do you mean Bladecrest Oathsword
Forbidden Oathblade is its upgrade which iirc is still a bogstandard beamsword)

[small timber]

ya, confused by the name, though which one is ravager sword? ultimus cleaver?

[hollow shell]

Yeye

[lean cipher]

to be honest im pretty confident that its only pre-hm weapons that are to blame for the aiming

[small timber]

ya it basically launch sparks in front of you at an upward angle, though it is more of a true melee weapon with some projectile

(and the sparks has homing)

[hollow shell]

I would argue that that is fine, if there's any point in the game for melee to have its directions limited it's PreHM

It's like Fledgeling Wings but for swords

[lean cipher]

ok so im pretty sure its only bladecrest

it has absolutely 0 directional aim

[hollow shell]

Well, it has Left and Right

[lean cipher]

no

it doesnt

[hollow shell]

It does. I've used it.

[lean cipher]

that was what sparked my issue

it cant even aim left and right

if you move mouse

[hollow shell]

Ok yeah it does not have useturn

[lean cipher]

its purely which way your char looks

[hollow shell]

Your character has to be facing left or right

yeah

[lean cipher]

and i dont think a mod is gonna fix that one

[hollow shell]

Yeah that suggestion I made earlier was cuz I thought you were talking about the default broadsword overhead swings

[lean cipher]

i was pretty sure it did

tested again but it atleast aims left and right

[hollow shell]

Bladecrest's projectiles do home in at least

[lean cipher]

if the enemy doesnt book it to the opposite side of you yeah

[small timber]

it home pretty strongly too

[lean cipher]

fortunately

[small timber]

in that case just make your suggestion specifically for the weapon tbh

[lean cipher]

i guess so

[small timber]

(I dont really think it need to be buffed since it is already strong and pre-boss, but ya, people will decide in voting)

[lean cipher]

not really a buff nbbut more qol

[hollow shell]

I personally dislike the concept of a technically-preboss melee weapon firing multiple homing tile-ignoring projectiles per swing, and giving it omnidirectional aiming will make it even more strong and non-melee-ish
but that's me

[lean cipher]

its just really annoying considering half the time you're facing away from an enemy rather than atit

[lean cipher]

i dont disagree that it is really powerful but i also severly dislike tapping d and a multiple times to aim

[small timber]

ya I dont like how it is somewhat easy to acquire too, I always dont like how hell/underworld weapon are balanced

[lean cipher]

yeah i got it literally first voodoo demon i killed coincidently

[small timber]

even things like hellstone gear being balanced for post-skeletron while acquirable post-eow is also a point for me

[hollow shell]

Clearly the solution is
Hell needs to be more dangerous

MORE lava slimes

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

IL edit lava slimes to spray lavas everywhere on death (the entire mod break)

[sand ermine]

😱

[lavish condor]

Would be cool as a kind of "you can go there post-eow and get the good stuff but you'll probably get your but kicked unless you know what you're doing" kinda like the Abyss

[small timber]

tbh underworld is dangerous, but not dangerous enough currently, many of them are pretty much cheesable behind walls

and bone serpent get nuked by everything that has piercing as usual, while imps stop firing if you hit it once

[swift wharf]

bone serpents die to ore swords

[small timber]

(considering their reward)

[lean cipher]

patched it up

[hollow shell]

Alright this is better

[lean cipher]

cool