suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

i mean obviously but again

[swift wharf]

but they don't care and will fall on top of you anyway

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck can alligators burrow through 100 blocks in 3 seconds

yes

they're literally faster than worms that makes 0 sense

worms are literally designed to be a burrowing enemy

why can a fucking alligator dig better than them
worms are designed with lower damage and HP values in mind as well and again literally have an audio cue for digging

[upbeat scroll]

2.5 tile height hitbox

5.5 tiles is how much air you need

[drowsy plank]

it's stupid regardless

[upbeat scroll]

zero armor does 154 damage as the highest i've seen after 6 times being hit by one

oh i forgot to turn on rev/death/malice

[drowsy plank]

listening the fucking damage values still doesnt change that it gets a free hit on you and it's still stupid it even happens

just because you CAN play around it doesnt mean you should have to

[upbeat scroll]

its an issue if you actively die to it

just

its unavoidable death

i am considering hardcore in that

if its an unfair unavoidable death then it should be an issue

[drowsy plank]

and if you were on low health from other enemies? it's just stupid

[upbeat scroll]

you will never encounter this in the actual dungeon

just the surface above it

because of how spawning and despawning works

you get hearts after defeating skeletron- any boss

so that situation is null in that regard

i dont understand why you would try to go into the dungeon with low health to begin with

since spikes become a much bigger threat too

feels like you are over exaggerating a mild rare inconvienence that is more funny than anything else to a majority of everybody else if it would have happened to them

for right now your crimson complaint is something that is likely going to be fixed or made incredibly more rare

as calamity and tmodloader fix more things regarding world generation

even like "vanilla" (just no mods tmodloader 1.4 generation) worlds have been generating very weirdly more than normal

[drowsy plank]

this still doesnt change anything about how dumb it is no matter how rare. it's the exact same problem with the boss spawners of the previous sugg. rare but still idiotic to keep in the game

[upbeat scroll]

do you understand how terraria despawns enemies?

rare enemies will literally just immediately evaporate once they are at a certain distance off screen like all the time

the only exception is if they have money on them, which then they will take a lot longer to despawn

anything at the oceans just use magic conch immediately or just back away from them

perf and hive cysts i will say are a little more silly

but can be backed away from still

[drowsy plank]

you could also just

fix the problem

[upbeat scroll]

why would it be a priority over for example further fine-tuning summoner and fixing whips etc

[drowsy plank]

because it's incredibly simple??? why bother balancing summoner when you could be working on yharim?? like these arguments are idiotic

[upbeat scroll]

okay go make your own add on mod that fixes it

why yes it is simpler than adding bosses its still not an easy process

[drowsy plank]

you literally just remove code

you dont need to add anything just remove their ability to fall through the ground

you dont need to add anything

[upbeat scroll]

you should not be getting irritated that i am giving criticism based on my own experiences regarding your suggestions, and advice over what you had a problem with and how to prevent it for the time being. if you really want someone else to look at your suggestions that actually has more of a voice than me, ping rover or something, he's online

speaking of rover

[hollow shell]

Aquatix you need to calm down
The suggestions channels exist for a reason

You can't tell people that their issues are invalid because they aren't as major as other issues
Nor is it helpful to go tell them to do it themselves

[crude geode]

“I am just giving criticism” shield doesn’t really help you here tbfh

[ruby plover]

I think if they dig through blocks, they should at least make a noise alike to worms

some sort of indication that a mob is about to fall onto your face

[hollow shell]

I was also thinking that yeah

[crude geode]

It would be helpful

[hollow shell]

And maybe reducing their speed too while they're doing it, so it's less like they're phasing through blocks and more like they're trudging through the ground

[upbeat scroll]

the last few messages are where i messed up but i gave ways to circumvent for the time being as well as stated why i felt like it was just not something i saw as an issue, being originally "its not an immediate unfair death and you can still avoid dying" but that also can help to have audio indicators into it

[crude geode]

Trueeeeee

[ruby plover]

yeah, they only actually fall through blocks if you are directly underneath them

and when they fall, OH BOY do they fall

at very high speeds

[eternal escarp]

i agree thrasers should just not have that feature
i assume cnidrions have it because they are a big mob in a very small desert so them getting a cue would be nice if phase removal isnt feasable

[ruby plover]

could make cnidrions smaller

[upbeat scroll]

if trashers dont have the feature they need the ability to go up blocks normally

[swift wharf]

do cnidrions really need it if they're a surface enemy now

[ruby plover]

thats a good point

also, a lot of the underground desert still counts as "surface"

so they can just spawn in the caverns still

[swift wharf]

Yeah that's fair

[upbeat scroll]

i usually just go into the ug desert via the sides personally so i never had that issue

[eternal escarp]

o true i forgot tbag

[upbeat scroll]

i dont like destroying my above ground desert too much

[eternal escarp]

75% of the time theres a hole leading in

[upbeat scroll]

mmm

[swift wharf]

byeah trashers ominously going through stuff and falling on you is kinda bruv

[eternal escarp]

besides mpst people go from above

[upbeat scroll]

there are three world gens that can happen in desert

big hole three small holes or oasis

[eternal escarp]

cant just tell them to not do that

theres actually 7 desert variatoons i believe

not all spawn all the time

theres a guarenteed 1 real desert and then surface ones wherever

the layout can change

[upbeat scroll]

i most commonly see oasis with very rarely seeing three holes, i've never actually seen a single big hole in my own gameplay just youtube videos

[eternal escarp]

the wiki shows all possible surfsce variations

[upbeat scroll]

i just checked

[eternal escarp]

ive had most of them in my time playing

[upbeat scroll]

i've done roughly a dozen full playthroughs over 1.4 + tmod and i've never seen half of these

just up to luck there

[fossil finch]

Cnidrions are getting reworked soon hopefully

Not about the sugg it's just that they're stupid on their own

[swift wharf]

how about trashers

[hollow shell]

Trashers do not have such plans so the sugg can still have an impact on them

[drowsy plank]

it's more about trashers than cnidron anyway but it's the same problem for both so i included him

[sleek turret]

they're almost the same

it's the way they do pathing and stuff afaik

[hollow shell]

Well Trashers don't pause to fire projs

[small timber]

trasher probably need to have some form of block phasing due to how janky the terrain of sulphur sea can be, but ya the speed itself can be changed

[sleek turret]

they phase on the tiles

[fossil finch]

they don't swim

They phase

Different

[swift wharf]

they're an unstoppable force that will come for you.

[fossil finch]

Worms and Sandsharks swim on tiles

This don't, they can't move horizontally at all and get stuck or confused easily

Trashers should be able to spawn on water i think

[swift wharf]

Is there any other enemy with the same AI?

[fossil finch]

no

[swift wharf]

other than cnidrion

[sleek turret]

nope

[swift wharf]

Yeah I imagined so

[upbeat scroll]

like real crocodiles, residing near or at the surface of the water would be normal behavior

[swift wharf]

stuff can either walk or swim but never both

[sleek turret]

i've never seen an enemy other than those 2 phase through tiles and give the average Terraria jumpscare

[fossil finch]

yeah you never see thrashers swimming at the surface of ss

[upbeat scroll]

if real crocs spot something they can tend to stalk them out until an opportunity to just rapidly approach and maul is available

[fossil finch]

oh
There is another one that is able to just ignore blocks completely but it's not the same ai and it's also very unimportant
Sea Floaty

(What the fuck is a sea floaty

[upbeat scroll]

(I don't know)

[sleek turret]

weird ass enemy

[swift wharf]

oh it's the uhhhh

!wiki sea floaty

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Sea_Floaty

[sleek turret]

you hit it and it escapes??

[swift wharf]

yeaa

[karmic stone]

""enemy""

it's more like a

tougher critter

deals 15 damage on master

[small timber]

@hollow shell

[hollow shell]

A good suggestion, Shuden

[hollow shell]

(also I assume this was referring to that spam that someone got to before me)

[bright parcel]

Thanks! Let me know if I missed something.

[proud plinth]

what does the 🗜️ reaction mean

[hollow shell]

It means the suggestion isn't formatted properly

Its title and reasoning need to be separated using Shift+Enter

(I personally don't agree with the suggestion because Omniblade is a dead-end upgrade and also a direct upgrade to the Katana recipe-wise, so if you get unlucky and don't find the Katana at any point prior to the tier you're able to craft Omniblade, it's really not that big of a deal, you have other options)
(But, the suggestion is not invalid)

[proud plinth]

what does "a dead-end upgrade" mean

[hollow shell]

As in uhh it doesn't craft into anything

It's not part of a crafting tree

[proud plinth]

doesnt a crafting tree imply it has branches? if the muramasa can craft into multiple different weapons and not a single crafting line, then it would be a crafting tree right?

[fossil finch]

crafting trees are trees because they have branches when the trunk is the last item

this wouldn't count

[hollow shell]

You're thinking about it in the reverse direction than what most people define as a crafting tree

yeah

[proud plinth]

i do see what you are saying with the katana, with it bieng a singular direct upgrade

[hollow shell]

ex: Exoblade is the trunk/base of the "tree", and all the ingredients above it are its branches

In this analogy, if your suggestion were to go through
Muramasa would be like
Here

(except imagine the other tree is really really short)

[proud plinth]

perhaps maybe the katana should be craftable then, that might be a controversial suggestion because maybe the point of the omniblade IS luck or something, or the katana somehow relies on luck to be valid, bit i just dont really like grinding a bit to get 10 cores of calamity and 20 life alloy and then my final ingredient just requires waiting.. it just seems out of place ngl

no recipes ive found up to this point require just waiting, unless im missing something and the katana has other ways to be obtained that i couldnt find on the wiki

[proud plinth]

but yeah i always thought of it completely opposite.. intresting,..

[drowsy plank]

i thought someone already sugg'd craftable katana

swore i saw that pass

maybe search it, but id be all for making katana more accessible

[proud plinth]

cuz i always kinda subconsciously mix "branching paths" with "crafting tree" and ive always thought it goes from bottom up

[small timber]

ye it was the discord link bot

[drowsy plank]

it's like how stopwatch is merchant only for some reason, but cell phone pieces are way more common if not almost guarnteed when he shows up

so it isnt a big deal

[small timber]

I think a suggestion about how making katana more consistently obtainable was passed, or I misremembered

[drowsy plank]

sure more people would complain about handheld tank if it was actually good

[small timber]

oh it didnt get enough votes

[drowsy plank]

yeah ok im not the only one who remembers this

[hollow shell]

I would bet money that a suggestion of that variety passed in the past at some point

[drowsy plank]

F

[drowsy plank]

how many/link?

[proud plinth]

there

changed my suggestion

[hollow shell]

Yes this is a fine suggestion

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message most recent one is this one

I thought it got pass since it had 240 votes

[proud plinth]

also uh, am i the only one that thinks its out of place that ark of the ancients, a weapon you can get post-plantera, is seemingly better in a majority of aspects than the omniblade, a post-golem weapon?

i think its post golem...

[hollow shell]

It is post-Golem yes

If you're referring to how the weapons perform DPS-wise, you can ping any of the testers in the pinned list and have them evaluate them both

[proud plinth]

it deals lower damage, doesnt have projectiles, cant be swung in 360 degrees, doesnt have the parry mechanic, i just dont see how omniblade is better, if it even was meant to be better

[proud plinth]

ill consider it

[small timber]

I think omniblade generally deal way more damage, it is more that its range is super limited

[proud plinth]

i have pinging people

[proud plinth]

the ark deals 313 for me rn and omniblade deals 144.. can you elaborate on this a bit?

[small timber]

what is it based on? base damage of the weapon?

[proud plinth]

nah just like

all general aspects

[hollow shell]

per-hit base damage doesn't really matter on its own, cuz it's only one factor that goes into DPS

But I understand what you're saying with everything else

[proud plinth]

fair, but it seems like they swing at similar speeds if im not mistaken

omniblade a tad faster but nothing outrageously opposing

[small timber]

I wanted to say dummy test is not super accurate but I remember aotc also become overperforming after 2.0, I will try to use it again

[upbeat scroll]

yeah dummy tests aren't exactly accurate

there is variation between how often each can actually get openings for the various bosses its meant to fight

[proud plinth]

i tested it on slime god, ark took it out considerably faster

[small timber]

because ark of the ancients used to be on the weaker side

[proud plinth]

also i have trouble defeating something like calamitas with it simply because of the lackluster range

while ark has triple homing projectiles that take it out quickly

[small timber]

ya that was what I was referring, omniblade (used to) deal way more damage than ark, just limited by its range/attack pattern

though from your description it seems now that ark just straight up does more damage now, possibly have something to do with melee speed change

[proud plinth]

yeah, seems like it deals less now, i think ive noticed that many weapons have this issue

i beat a boss and get a new weapon and it deals less than my current weapon or comedically more than all others at that stage of progression

[upbeat scroll]

melee and summoner have generally had their balance get shaken up entirely

[small timber]

I will just use it on pbg and duke fishron and see how they perform

[proud plinth]

like the pwnagehammer or whatever it was called, it deals like 400 damage and has a chance to throw a homing hammer that summons another hammer and hits twice, dealing like 800 with homing, whilst the biome blade (the fixed one) is considerably worse, despite them bieng at like the same stage of progression

[small timber]

since I dont think omniblade really work against ravager and eol

[drowsy plank]

damn omni has a 49% crit chance

[proud plinth]

honestly for my first playthrough of calamity this is all hilariously busted, im playing on expert and it feels like normal

[drowsy plank]

i mean

that's why we got rev and death

[proud plinth]

fair..

[upbeat scroll]

its not just me who feels like the mod is easier

fractured ark also just has parry feature which is hilarious too

[proud plinth]

i heard somewhere that calamity is supposed to be more balanced around itself, thats why these modes exist, not sure how true that is since im only like.. well actually i dont know how far i am considering theres apparently tons of post-ml content

[proud plinth]

that thing is so busted

[drowsy plank]

the mod probably feels easier but they haven't done the balancing yet, and i get why, ive had 1.4 tmod crash like 3 or 4 times and i dont even think any of them were cal's fault

[upbeat scroll]

that was changed not so recently but still somewhat recently

[proud plinth]

hm

[small timber]

calamity is balanced around specifically expert revengeance, though I think melee and summoner is currently a bit wonky due to post-1.4 port changing some of their core mechanic

[proud plinth]

the post ml content or the balancing?

[upbeat scroll]

murasama damage went from like 20k to like 3k as an example, post yharon weapon (technically)

[small timber]

some weapons become way better or worse than intended

[upbeat scroll]

but bosses scaled down too

[drowsy plank]

i dont think the flattening of the damage curve is really a good example of why the mod seems easier now

[upbeat scroll]

its not that

[proud plinth]

also i heard zenith is a post-yharon weapon now...

[drowsy plank]

esp considering most people talk about hardmode and not post-ML

[upbeat scroll]

the 1.4 port has made it feel easier

[drowsy plank]

yeah it's just the port being jank as hell and unbalanced. because the balance update aint out yet

[upbeat scroll]

in 1.3 the mod still felt hard even after the curve adjustments

[proud plinth]

thats probably why, im playing on the 1.4 port cuz i despise 1.3 and it feels piss easy

[upbeat scroll]

ark being viable to plantera™️

[small timber]

basically many weapons are dealing way more damage than they should now which is the case; after rebalancing happen it should settle down quite abit

especially melee, spear gutted while some weapons skyrocketed into monster tier

[proud plinth]

i didnt think so

i thought plantera was hard as hell on expert

it was wacky too cuz mech bosses were comically easy, even calamitas, but plantera took like 13 tries

[drowsy plank]

ive been doing testing for early bosses and i think one of the funniest builds ive found is running wulfrum helm, flinx coat, and ancient shadow leggings to max out damage on summoner alongside snapthorn and one of the 1.4 summons

[proud plinth]

eventually i got pwnagehammer thingy and then used cryogen junk to kinda make a joke out of plantera

[upbeat scroll]

ark didn't show signs of falling off till end of mechs and was still useful for plantera

for me at least

[proud plinth]

the only mech ark wasnt good for for me was twins

it was great for destroyer and pretty good for skeletron prime, its hard with true melees tho imo

[upbeat scroll]

twins and calamitas stay out of range, skele prime and destroyer can be like manipulated to get close

parrying spaz dash is fun though

[proud plinth]

you can make destroyer overlap himself up to 3 times if you are lucky and deal insane damage if u parry

[upbeat scroll]

yeah

my summoner playthrough was the most jank

it didn't feel normal till i was near moonlord

and past it

[proud plinth]

well ima try lunatic with omniblade now

[upbeat scroll]

some things i do hope happen are whips between pre boss and skeletron, and pre mech to post 3 mechs

also tagging getting fixed

[proud plinth]

also uh

[small timber]

ark of the ancients and omniblade right? so basically post Golem

I will only fight pbg and fishron since I dont think omniblade do anything against say ravager

[proud plinth]

why does omniblade go out a bit further to the right than to the left

[proud plinth]

nah post plantera and post golem

omniblade is post golem, ark is post plantera if i recall

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Boss Health Bar Indicating Phase Transition]

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[small timber]

no no I mean the boss I use it on, but anyway since omniblade is only post-Golem I will test postGolem only (as the concern is ark is better than omniblade)

[grave zinc]

@magic verge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a slight undewater glow effect to Lumenyl on the abyss]

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[Make Queen Slime drop souls of light.]

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[the Wall of flesh instead of dropping classname emblem will drop something like "Rusty emblem" that can be turned into any existing emblem on the sharpening station]

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[Add a visual for the Astral Meteor falling to the world in the background. Why?]

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[Sulphurous Sand Should be Diggable With Gravedigger's Shovel]

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[Make Skeletron unable to deal contact damage for a few frames after spawning, similar to the Perforator Hive]

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[Buff miner set]

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[Add fruits to the trees in the astral infection and sulphur sea]

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[Crafting Recipe for the Finch Staff]

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[Make a Non-Consumable Summon for Duke Fishron and Old Duke]

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[Make Drop Chances for Boss Drops increase with Revengence, Death, and Malice Mode]

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[Rework Exoblade because it’s borderline useless and boring right now]

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[make whips deal additional damage if they hit an enemy with the end of the whip]

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[grave zinc]

@quaint kernel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make celestial onion have a different effect in Master Mode]

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[Replace the Squirrel Squire Staff with the Finch Staff in the Starter Items bag]

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[quaint kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[grave zinc]

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[Make minion summons only cancel through right-clicking the buff icon]

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[Make the flails' "Hold" attack (when you swing the mace around the player) true melee.]

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[small timber]

I mean they did say they dont want onion to do anything in master mode

[drowsy plank]

huh

minion cancelling one is weird but imma

assume that was a programming issue

[small timber]

ya likely

[drowsy plank]

also "1.5" changing the buff slots should probably fix that problem anyway

overall, based decisions on all of these id say

[small timber]

(and 1.4.4 vanilla will buff buff slot limit to like, 44 or something, which will fix itself

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[small timber]

also if you are still here can you give me the accessories you used for omniblade?

I kinda forgot what people usually use

[alpine herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-seal-crying-jikookuiop-zaidee-gif-22861105

[drowsy plank]

i think it was a good concept but the execution was flawed, emblem conversion has been a problem for a while tho

[small timber]

doesnt 1.4.4 plan to add something like that?

[quiet kernel]

Yeah i think so

[small timber]

it was one of the idea proposed, and vanilla just say "dont worry we have an idea similar to that, but even better"

[quiet kernel]

Wasnt the name like biome sight or something

[alpine herald]

maybe that's why they rejected suggestion

[small timber]

nono, that sentence was referring to the new suggestion of potion to highlight evil biome

I think yours is most likely that calamity already implement drop rate changes to make emblem not as much of a grind

if I remember correctly multiple emblems can drop at the sametime, it is purely chance based (rather than only 1 emblem 1 class at a time)

[wise idol]

didnt know about that, thanks for making me aware ill remove my suggestion then

[small timber]

@proud plinth since you didnt ping testers I did it instead, conclusion is omniblade definitely do much more damage than ark, but it also is super uncomforatble for being a true melee weapon

(and ark is definitely very viable for post-Golem tier, considering I used plague hive over celestial shell which is a good damage boost)

[proud plinth]

k

wait wait

if im reading this right, u used ark of the elements?

[small timber]

you said ark of the elements and omniblade right?

[proud plinth]

i was talking about ark of the ancients, not sure if that was a typo or a different weapon or something

[small timber]

or you said biome blade

[proud plinth]

ancients, not elements

[small timber]

oh sorry, ya I used ancients

the post-Plant one

I keep confusing the name of the ark weaponas

[proud plinth]

kk

[small timber]

@karmic light whips will eventually be added

[karmic light]

👍

[small timber]

the reason currently calamity whip dont exist is because:

1. 2.0 is just for the port, not necessary new content
2. they are still rebalancing whips

[karmic light]

I made a few suggestions for what types of whips we can add, I hope they take some of them into consideration.

[small timber]

I think it will be abit too specific tbh, but ya regardless they will be added eventually

[karmic light]

(Like smacking around some bosses with a mini-destroyer whip sounds like a good idea)

[small timber]

I dont think they will add like, too many pre-Moon Lord whips, preHM and HM whips is actually pretty filled and dont need more

if they add probably will be focusing on post-ML where currently dont have whips on tier

[frozen hornet]

Exo mechs already have a drop that is just the worm as a weapon

And besides they can get a lot more creative than just turning every worm boss into a whip

[inner anvil]

I don't think we'll add any Pre-ML whips, dealing with Vanilla whips is enough, maybe 1 pre-ML, but that's just hopes.

[wise idol]

An astrum deus whip could be cool if you had a 2 attacks, LMB for a single big whip like phase 1 and RMB for 2x shorter whips like phase 2

[fringe notch]

I can't really think of a place that'd make sense for a pre-ml whip... the thing about an astrum deus whip is that there's already the kaleidoscope that part of the game

[wise idol]

you are not wrong, pre ML is pretty good for whips already as theres never really a stage in the game without a relevant whip

but that doesnt stop the suggestion being a cool idea

[unique vector]

@karmic light we already are going to add whips

im not going to exclaim it but im just gonna confirm it for you

you can delete the sugg if u want

[karmic light]

👍

Alright (please still add worm whips, I think it'd be funny to smack SCali around with a miniature EoG)

[unique vector]

we’ll consider it!

[subtle sapphire]

I think rather than adding more whips, it would be better to change the tier of some vanilla whips. It always bothered me how dark harvest/morningstar/kaleidoscope are all similar tier (post-plantera, though I guess Kaleidoscope might be post-golem ?)

[dire mural]

Personally the idea of each worm having a whip is the funniest idea I’ve seen

Whip of worlds

Subjective

[small timber]

doing it for like 1 worm is funny, doing it for all of them ya

it just gets boring

it will be like if they unironically add 20 weapons that is actually mage weapon with melee damage like burning sky

[dire mural]

🤷‍♂️ boring is subjective

Then again they could just make a whip evolve into the whips I imagine

[small timber]

instead of making worm whips they can just make objectively better whips

worm whip will pretty much just be a joke, which is why I think one off is fine, but not more than it is needed

[dire mural]

Shrug

Hmm, I have a compromise

The whip does effects of significance of all worm bosses

That’d be interesting if it’s a dog drop

Or eidolon

Oh I mean, the whip would be a drop from dog theoretically and it would do things from the prior worms and itself

Still a joke weapon but a cool one

And a draedon laser whip like that one siths whip

In Star Wars legends I believe

But yeah, a DOG whip that does things to signify the other worms and itself would be cool

[small timber]

is mana cloak only having 8% reduced mana while the other 2 mana flower upgrade have 20% intentional?

[distant gyro]

yes

[inner anvil]

@gaunt tiger Update on Sirius, the weapon is bugged, it doesn't scale with minion slots, doesn't matter if you have 1 or 20, it'll deal the same damage as 1.

[small timber]

@hollow shell (yes again)

[pallid scaffold]

guh

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[tight hill]

Yoooo

[swift wharf]

based queen slime suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

I don't even wanna bother

[swift wharf]

[hardy dock]

I can think of several reasons why not

[buoyant idol]

@swift canyon Your suggestion seems to not be in a acceptable state due to a formatting error and lack of reasoning

[fossil finch]

noooo the point was not telling them because of the pointless fruitless joke nature of the sugg

(That's never getting accepted

[swift wharf]

enemy breaking tiles

I wonder what he eats

[tight hill]

His name is literally the devourer of gods what do you think he would eat

[swift wharf]

Idk

[spark pulsar]

Snow

DoG is a big fan of snowcones

[small timber]

fact proven, case close

[night jolt]

@proud plinth Personally, I think it makes more sense to have it be a drop from King Slime instead of something you craft. The Fargo's devs made it part of the ninja set, and more weapons should be made available in different ways than crafting in general

[drowsy plank]

katana dropping from ks would be pretty cool tbh

people only kill him for the mount, maybe the hook, and maybe the solidifier rn

[dry scaffold]

Dps testing,ez early game money

[swift canyon]

yeah i know but it was getting pooped on sadge

[drowsy plank]

for calamity you're supposed to use on tier bosses for dps testing anyway, and money isnt exactly an issue in calamity id say, plus id rather use brain or eater for that. not exactly things unique to KS anyway lmao

[eternal escarp]

this was an idea i believe

[gaunt tiger]

Oh lol

Thanks memes!

[inner anvil]

No problem.

[violet pivot]

so it wasnt only me having problems with sirius

[gaunt tiger]

there's some things that still need ironing out in the patch for sure

[stable musk]

❗ 🔫bang bang bang

[drowsy plank]

me when "cause why not"

[upbeat scroll]

weird thought but if he is a devourer of gods if you summon providence and dog at the same time secret boss (real yharim based and cool)

[tight hill]

no they just fight

they just kick eachother's asses

[crude geode]

@fringe pine already planned

[gaunt tiger]

please could a tester try the dazzling stabber staff against polter? I think it underperforms

[karmic stone]

you can use pearlwood walls as a bandaid for the meanwhile

[drowsy plank]

this is the third week in a row we've gotten an acidwood wall sugg

[gaunt tiger]

woe betide, not everyone knows everything the devs are doing

[inner anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-chug-chocolate-drink-gif-21574013

[gaunt tiger]

😉

[inner anvil]

Reminder this exists:

[gaunt tiger]

oh!

I didn't know about that, thanks memes

will do in future

[inner anvil]

I'm like 99% always avaivable, but you know.

[gaunt tiger]

community hero

❤️

[inner anvil]

I ain't any hero, I'm Memes.

[fringe pine]

yay!

[ruby plover]

I mean last I checked, dazzling stabbed underperformed on even signus, so that will be interesting to see

[gaunt tiger]

this is all part of my secret plot to get blade staff's armor pen on dazzling stabber : )

also yeah tho it's baaaad

[drowsy plank]

if you could delete the sugg since it's just repetitive now that'd help

[fringe pine]

sure

[drowsy plank]

👍

[inner anvil]

Mind y'all I'm doing these tests while sick, I better get a reward. 😒

Obviously kidding.

[gaunt tiger]

my eternal thanks and respect

[inner anvil]

Oh god, now I remember what is Dazzling Stabber.

[gaunt tiger]

diet blade staff

[inner anvil]

Ok, I'll test it on Sentinels.

[gaunt tiger]

what have they done to you, blade staff my beloved

[gaunt tiger]

wait it's not intended to be used against polter?

[inner anvil]

Aren't the sentinels fought after Providence?

[gaunt tiger]

I did them post polter
cos they drop the summon mats for dog

they're on tier with polter tho iirc

[inner anvil]

I can test it on Polterghast as well.

[gaunt tiger]

thanks memes!

[inner anvil]

I'm too lazy to make dungeon or hell arenas, I'm going to test it on Storm Weaver.

[gaunt tiger]

oh it definitely underperfoms on that, cos of the way it moves

[inner anvil]

Ok, maybe I'll test it on other bosses.

[gaunt tiger]

what's the setup and rules, I can do it on polter

oh wait no I can't my world with a polter arena is on master

[inner anvil]

Sorry for late response, I was testing, it did 4:35 on Signus, I refuse to test it on other bosses, the weapon is bad.

[gaunt tiger]

yaaa

thanks again memes!

armor pen on dazzling stabber mayhaps?

😛

[inner anvil]

I mean, I think adding Armor Pen to my build would reduce my DPS, Shattering Potion only works for Melee and Rogue weapons.

[gaunt tiger]

no I mean the weapon could inherently get sone, like blade staff

[inner anvil]

In my most personal opinion, I hate Armor Pen as a stat, it should've never existed, so I am against, but other testers/devs may like the idea, but me? Definetly not.

You saw what happened to Swordsplosion with just an armor pen potion? Yeah.

It's a stat very difficult to balance.

[gaunt tiger]

true

[inner anvil]

I prefer to just buff it's base damage, as it seems like a consistent weapon, it's just missing damage.

Well, I'll call it a day, test done.

@quaint kernel Malice Mode is getting removed from Calamity next update.

[quaint kernel]

bruh why

[inner anvil]

Let me get the image.

[fossil finch]

because it sucks

its stupid

3 people like it

[inner anvil]

^ That's a TL;DR.

[fossil finch]

its bad

devs don't want to mantain it

[quaint kernel]

i mean who cares if you dont like it dont play it

[fossil finch]

that's an awful excuse

[inner anvil]

Here's the official reasons why it was deleted.

[swift wharf]

difficulty bloat

[quaint kernel]

alright makes a bit of sense

[frail mantle]

car breaks down in the middle of the road? just leave it

[quaint kernel]

but still god damn first they remove challenge items and now malice mode

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[quaint kernel]

seems like the mod with the most custom difficulties hates custom difficulties is all im saying

[inner anvil]

We all have imagination, indeed.

[frail mantle]

i mean there are still two custom difficulties

[inner anvil]

We prefer having 2 good ones than many bad ones.

[frail mantle]

as far as i'm aware that's still a lot compared to the amount of custom difficulties in other mods

[quaint kernel]

i will say tho that it is inconsistent as hell

[inner anvil]

Why?

[crude geode]

Malice was a mistake lol

[inner anvil]

Malice was a failed experiment.

[quaint kernel]

no i mean the bosses in malice mode

both quality and difficulty wise

[crude geode]

Also we already have master mode people are clamoring for devs to balance so that would make 3 difficulty modes to balance and two slightly ignored ones (normal and expert)

[quaint kernel]

ye true

i still hate what they did to challenge items tho

[crude geode]

Challenge items will eventually™️ get more done to them

[frail mantle]

a lot of people hated them being challenge items at all more

[quaint kernel]

understandable what they did to expert mode

[frail mantle]

basically this

[quaint kernel]

i mean i dont see why a pointless grind is any better than just going back to re fight the boss on a higher difficulty a bit later in the game

[frail mantle]

because the pointless grind is a placeholder for something better™️

only shpc has its new, unique method of obtainment so far

[quaint kernel]

eh it was fine to begin with

[frail mantle]

the rest of the formerly challenge items that still drop from bosses haven't gotten theirs yet

[quaint kernel]

wait does it?

[crude geode]

Yes

You have to visit all the unique drae labs to get the parts for it

[fossil finch]

no

you have to visit central planetoid

other parts are in the recurring armeries or normal labs in the world

not the unique ones

[crude geode]

not playing the mod in 5 months moment

(referring to me)

[quaint kernel]

i mean thats pretty cool

but i still prefer the dopamine spike from beating the eye of cthulhu on death mode so I can get the counter scarf

[crude geode]

can we like. not have this discussion everyday.

[quaint kernel]

counter point:

https://tenor.com/view/lithiumare-kiracord-nerd-marbellu-gif-22666819

[novel belfry]

exactly, that's why I miss the idea of challenge items
sure, expert drops being now all difficulty drops is quite nice

[quaint kernel]

yeah cuz expert isnt toggleable

but revengeance mode is so i dont get it

[novel belfry]

yeah

[swift wharf]

it's the thing of

[novel belfry]

revengeance can have the challenge drops, plus you can toggle it at anytime

perhaps make it toggleable at normal albeit with the expert changes as well?

i dunno

[swift wharf]

.

[novel belfry]

malice wasn't really fun, but at least there was a prize for playing it

[crude geode]

see point 2

[frail mantle]

malice evolved eventually and became something

[fossil finch]

modes being toggleable isnt really an argument in favor of challenge items at all honestly

[novel belfry]

and why?

[swift wharf]

something dropping in a challenge mode doesn't make it unique
especially when a lot of stuff also drops in that same mode

[crude geode]

@novel belfry

[fossil finch]

also difficulty mode "prizes" are so weird
Why is terraria so subject to this
Most games don't have prizes that are practical and ingame content, but rather just funny vanities for your menus or the sense of accomplishment

[novel moat]

im still hurt about my beloved Burden Breaker

[quaint kernel]

something

[quaint kernel]

rip

[crude geode]

we've had this discussion about difficulty items way too many times.

[novel belfry]

hmm

[quaint kernel]

eh well i guess pylons kinda make the burden breaker pointless

[swift wharf]

yea

[crude geode]

at this point make it a pin in this channel for christ's sake.

[novel belfry]

burden breaker tho

[neat linden]

guidelight? if you can even call that unique ig

[swift wharf]

rip burden breaker would've been extremely op with jousting lances (if those didn't have the cap)

[neat linden]

oh and evil smasher

can't forget that

[novel belfry]

evil smashers still in game

[frail mantle]

iirc something something it wasn't actually supposed to be a rematch mode at first but then eventually got so hard they just went "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's not supposed to be done on tier i think 👍 "

[fossil finch]

unique methods are for legendaries

[novel belfry]

you can get it... from demon altars

[fossil finch]

not rivs

[novel belfry]

a rematch mode on the other hand...

[neat linden]

evil smasher does have a pretty damn unique method of obtaining though

[novel belfry]

that would be fun

[frail mantle]

imma be real with you chief i forgot guidelight was a thing or that it got any changes ever

[crude geode]

Hey Heretic, could we get a pin regarding difficulty exclusive items in this channel (if you have permission)? people never seem to shut up about it and I'd like to get a single message to refer them to.

[novel belfry]

just not in the way of malice mode

[neat linden]

honestly it's great but yeah pretty forgettable

[quaint kernel]

look, my logic is just that rematching a boss with new UI for a unique item is a lot more fun that fighting the boss with the same ai over and over again for a unique item

[frail mantle]

_ _ maybe ask rover to add something to the doc about it

[crude geode]

my thing is that no actual suggestions have come up regarding it, so it feels a bit weird to add it to the document

[quaint kernel]

i think they have

i put one a while back and i think i saw 1 or 2 others

[frail mantle]

counterpoint: the items aren't supposed to be obtained by fighting the boss over and over again, that's just how they are for now because their proper methods of obtainment don't exist yet

[crude geode]

placeholder™️

[frail mantle]

©️

[quaint kernel]

but could the placeholder just be better at least?

[frail mantle]

maybe

[novel belfry]

exactly

[swift wharf]

it's... a placeholder

[frail mantle]

but since it's a placeholder it doesn't really matter

[novel belfry]

it doesn't have to be that simple though

[crude geode]

placeholders aren't exactly meant to be great.

[fossil finch]

also its not like theyre uber rare

[frail mantle]

yeah it's kinda boring but it's temporary

[fossil finch]

theyre all like 10%

[novel belfry]

it should be a little better than grind the shit out of the boss

[quaint kernel]

well yeah but they didnt have to actively make it worst

[fossil finch]

its not actively making it worse at all

[quaint kernel]

challenge > grind

[novel belfry]

yes

[crude geode]

it's only worse for the small percentage of community who actively enjoyed malice

[fossil finch]

again, theyre not uber rare
They have the drop rates of trophies

[quaint kernel]

nah i meant revengeance mode not malice

[swift wharf]

it's better than 1%

[crude geode]

lol

so true

[novel belfry]

the difference between trophies and "legendaries" is that "legendaries" are actual usable items, but trophies... are just placeable stuff

[fossil finch]

yeah and

that doesnt relate to what i said

[crude geode]

this convo is going nowhere fast

[fossil finch]

i was just stating they have the drop rates of trophies

[novel belfry]

okay but still

yknow what

[fossil finch]

also most rev items arent 10%
theyre just normal drop rates

[novel belfry]

you're right

im tired

[quaint kernel]

either way I think they were fine as they were, it seems kinda pointless to suddenly change them to placeholders for something else

[quaint kernel]

good point

[crude geode]

let's just go to the newest sugg in posting

[drowsy plank]

how about we talk about the funny dryad dialogue

[fossil finch]

first person ever to acknowledge npc dialogue in suggesting ever

[drowsy plank]

what was even the implication there anyway

[novel belfry]

lets just leave it as i don't like the current placeholder, but here we are

[crude geode]

lore or smthn

[drowsy plank]

i know lore but like

[crude geode]

(loreheads when a single line of dialogue is removed)

[drowsy plank]

there's no lore for scourge and acid rain or DoG and lunar events

[fossil finch]

cursed i am here

[drowsy plank]

it's so weird

[novel belfry]

yharon once had to be fought twice

[drowsy plank]

i know

[fossil finch]

you are literally wrongly representing the only lorehead there is in the same exact chat they are

[swift wharf]

that's more of a tip than lore

[fossil finch]

also there kinda is lore for scourge and acid rain
as was the apex predator of the place, with him gone much more animals can come up to the surface to try and get food
Its not directly presented this way but its kinda implied

[drowsy plank]

huh

fair enough ig

[fossil finch]

this literally already exists

the sugg about yours literally mentions its existence

im crying

@whole kelp

did they

did they ding dong ditch

no apparently

[hardy dock]

But AS isn’t even close to the strongest creature there?
Nuclear Terrors are a whole species that could knock AS around and they don’t appear for ages after you kill it, the single Scourge that exists

[fossil finch]

because they're dormant im guessing

also as hangs out casually all the time

nuclear terrors only come out on rains after being bothered by all the soul fuzz

im not even sure they're animals at all

[hardy dock]

The Scourge thing explains why Tier 2 exists but the other two don’t really make much sense with that explanation

[fossil finch]

(Or need to eat

wdym the other two

[swift wharf]

old duke

[fossil finch]

eoc ofc not

but tier 3 does because its all the soul fuzz

od is just bothered by it and wakes up
Idk about nuclear terrors
gamma slimes are not important

[swift wharf]

ig nuclear terrors are in the same boat as gamma slimes

[fossil finch]

maulers probably also go up because theyre bothered by all the thing

[drowsy plank]

im imagining EoC was only chosen to gatekeep acid rain bc it'd be a bit obnoxious without at least the gear needed to take him down

and DS already has the whole sandstorm + victide thing

[upbeat scroll]

Acid Rain being locked behind EoC makes a lot of sense in terms of how much content each boss gives, and how important they are.

[gray nebula]

@whole kelp there is a toggle

[fossil finch]

Already told them!
They ding dong ditched

Amazing

[drowsy plank]

actually wait would this fall under balance changes?

oh uh

technically not because it's an armor balance suggestion and the doc says weapons but...

[swift wharf]

yeah it's fine those sets are pretty bad

I'd say even copper or tin is better than pumpkin because of the flat damage/armor pen stats respectively

[drowsy plank]

oh i mean i know but it's a bit weird still on what the policy is for these sorts of suggestions
also yeah copper and tin are def better, i was trying to saying they're barely better than cactus and def worse than them

is very funny

also not sure what to do about the sugg i want to send next which is to move quad barrel back to pre-Boss as a counterpart to minishark like it should've been from the start, but im gonna do some DPS tests myself to make sure im not being dumb here

[crude geode]

pumpkin is unfortunately both a pre-boss and post-eoc armor, depending on if you want to set your computer's clock

[gray nebula]

wu:lfrum considered a joke

just u wait

[drowsy plank]

i know

the rework already looks great, im just making a point that slapping 10% damage on something and calling it a day makes for a miserable armor set

[crude geode]

Iban whenever a sugg is posted

[swift wharf]

10% extra dmg when rounding

[gray nebula]

u havent even seen it

but yes pumpkin armid

but also its super early

https://gyazo.com/ba9adab88c38f6fc23f1a7c0379e2e2e real fake leaks

[crude geode]

real fake leaks

[drowsy plank]

lmao
also yeah i havent seen it but ive seen the leaks you've done and it really does look cool even with how little info we have

[swift wharf]

wulfrumlegs!

[gray nebula]

fake real leaks

[swift wharf]

now give me real fake leaks

[gray nebula]

umhm huh mhmhh

wait a day

[swift wharf]

[distant gyro]

fake real leaks are handdrawn pipe leaks

[gray nebula]

[drowsy plank]

was considering suggesting putting quad-barrel back in pre-Boss graveyards like it used to be when it was first added but i feel like that might be a tester thing but i did testing anyway so lmao. either way having it where vanilla put it rn is just really dumb

[grim tusk]

Quad barrel with point black is

Aquashard does not seem right

[drowsy plank]

even with point blank quad doesnt do great

i can try it again ig

[proud plinth]

tru..

[drowsy plank]

idk what to tell u man, i did the fight again, same results, im not even using any modifiers, quad meat shots are still ass. deerclops is literally a boss designed around being right in his face and quad doesn't even come close to aquashard, let alone anything else actually one tier

top is quad bottom is aqua

[grim tusk]

Aqua is 🤨

[drowsy plank]

i think quad is, understandably, literally just dogshit and shouldn't have been moved to where it was lmao

ill try other weapons ig

[crude geode]

my brother in christ there is a tester right there

[drowsy plank]

nvm aquashard is just dumb

storm surge and galeforce

also ik but this is fun

[hollow shell]

@whole kelp

[drowsy plank]

well after a second look quad is actually fine but aqua is broken

at least we figured something out

[gaunt tiger]

is that john wulfrum

[gray nebula]

shut the fuvck up

[swift wharf]

😭

[unborn oriole]

John Wulfrum

[eternal escarp]

also just of note, deerclops is more of a post QB boss in cal than a post skele boss because of, yeah

[hollow shell]

iirc the reason why they are now favoritable items was a technical one

There were less Multiplayer syncing issues when they were favoritables than when they were toggles

[ashen warren]

I see

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion can still exist

If it gets enough support then the devs can look into finding a way to make the toggles work better

[ashen warren]

No problem, I perfectly understand

If it's not possible to execute technically that's alright

[hollow shell]

Some suggestion feedback though:

You would benefit from some more line breaks (shift+enter) for readability

Wall of text moment

[ashen warren]

My bad, I didn't realize since I had it on fullscreen

[hollow shell]

Yes this is much better thank you

[ashen warren]

Thank you

[tulip parcel]

Alright so to reiterate what I was saying in calamity mod talk - I'm the donor the Dark Spark item is dedicated to, and I think its functionality right now is kind of dated

It used to be a pretty great item in a kind of awkward tier for the sake of killing devourer of gods - being an item you get after killing every other boss in the tier just befor eit

but with a combination of devourer of gods getting (very excellent) changes, a specific nerf against that boss specifically, and arguably better options requiring much less work at the tier, I feel like it could use a change

[crude geode]

I like the design of the weapon, it just feels like it deals too little damage when the beams actually start to separate

Which kinda kills what should be it’s major selling point, covering the fucking screen, especially for acid rain

[hollow shell]

Ah hello Vorbis

You can indeed suggest that Dark Spark get changed, though typical specificity rules still apply

[tulip parcel]

Hi! I have returned. I have no idea how to connect this account to my patreon.

Specificity rules?

that in your gdoc pinned in posting?

[hollow shell]

Yeah the topmost Don't in the Don'ts doc
(Did you leave before or after Specific Item Suggestions got banned?)

[tulip parcel]

Probably before? I've been very in and out of this server ever since I started my career

as in biyearly in and out

[hollow shell]

Alright
So uh basically, it's heavily discouraged to lay out a specific execution for a suggestion
You can't do something like suggest a new item that has a name and stats and a crafting recipe of your choosing

You have to leave some stuff general and open for freedom in execution

[tulip parcel]

I understand

[hollow shell]

Most of the meat of a suggestion should be the reason(s) why

[tulip parcel]

Well just to lay it out in a few words... to make sure the reasoning is sound

Dark Spark as is, while it's definitely an interesting item that plays with the idea of being a reverse last prism, inherently has a number of mechanical issues as a result
-It's extremely slow to get to the point where it's a technicolor light show, hampering the enjoyment of using it
-Once it gets to that point, it drains mana extremely fast, requiring some form of mana flower to maintain - which inherently nerfs its damage due to mana sickness as well as being extremely resource hungry
-The only boss it could reasonably be brought to is DoG, due to lying after every other boss in the tier and DoG itself being a progression wall that has an explosion of new items beyond it
-It has a specific nerf against DoG (85% damage) as well as DoG generally being much more hardy against piercing in general, eliminating/shrinking the niche it used to have
-Compared to other options in the same progression tier, it requires a lot more grinding against options that are arguably better for the class (Phantasmal Fury)
-Being a reverse last prism, it also has the same sound design - which ends up with it just being swooshy lightsaber noises
-All these things combined it's a very pretty toy that disappoints people when they finally do manage to pick up, and while mechanically it still can do what it used to do, it feels a lot less cool now that Calamity's matured how it has in terms of mechanics and balancing

[crude geode]

Sounds good

On your second point, to be fair all last prism clones are like that tbfh

They’re also kinda balanced around it (I think? I don’t know if testers have glanced at dark spark)

[tulip parcel]

Yeah, but I mean... mana hungry is fine, but it compounds with everything else

@hollow shell sorry to ping you, but would it be fair to add like

a couple suggestions as to what might be a good way to fix it

I feel like putting it on the table like "I'm not happy with it" and not adding anything beyond that is almost as bad as going into specifics

[hollow shell]

You could give some examples if you keep it brief

[cobalt pewter]

-Once it gets to that point, it drains mana extremely fast, requiring some form of mana flower to maintain - which inherently nerfs its damage due to mana sickness as well as being extremely resource hungry

This is basically an issue with any weapons attempting to take a spin from the Last Prism concept, which is a very flawed concept on its own, so yeah, it'd be nice if this can be addressed in some way

this is an issue with Last Prism itself

this is an issue with Yharim's Crystal

this is an issue with basically any Last Prism clones

it's just not a sustainable nor fun concept

[crude geode]

It’s fun if you’re braindead and like mana pot

[tulip parcel]

Dunno if I can edit it now

[hollow shell]

You can

[tulip parcel]

When does the suggestions bot scoop it up into the voting channel?

[hollow shell]

24 hours after you posted it

[crude geode]

24 hours

[tulip parcel]

thanks

[unique vector]

hm

[hollow shell]

👍

[unique vector]

do we allow patron items to be changed to this degree if they’re suggestions?

[hollow shell]

He's not asking for specific changes, really
He's laying out the issues

[unique vector]

hm

[hollow shell]

And yeah the standard process for Patrons getting their items changed is via suggestions like any other individual

[unique vector]

would thomas be able to suggest his item be changed by laying out its issue of being an eyecandy piece

i see

i wasnt aware of this exception

[hollow shell]

We do not allow significant changes to patron items after they are made, PURELY by request of the donor
Not out of any lack of respect but purely from a workload standpoint, considering we still have so many Patreon items to create

So

[unique vector]

right

[hollow shell]

Suggestion channels is where they are directed

[unique vector]

i see

okay

[tulip parcel]

Dark Spark's been changed in the past before as well

A resprite in like

...2019? 2020?

Pretty minor but still

[hollow shell]

Yeah resprites are still fair game

[unique vector]

resprites are totally fine

[hollow shell]

Just need permission

[tulip parcel]

That wasn't my initiative to get that done mind

[unique vector]

we just have a rule that patrons cant explicitly ask a dev to mechanically change their item once its ingame and i wasnt aware that suggestions are technically a way for you to circumvent that

lol

[tulip parcel]

Yeah. I didn't come here to do that

I mean, I sorta did, but I'm not gonna act like it's some big issue that needs resolution

[small timber]

personally I think the suggestion is very reasonable tbh

[unique vector]

im not against it

i think dark spark has a lot of potential and needs some love

[small timber]

it still comes through the normal process and have laid out point; the role of being the patreon donor here is pretty much just saying "he has permission to make suggestion to change dark spark" tbh

[unique vector]

i just dk if like

say this gets delivered to dev

will ppl disagree and argue abt it being a loophole

idk

[tulip parcel]

well

[unique vector]

its fine i think

[tulip parcel]

you miss every single shot that you don't take

and I'm taking my shot

[unique vector]

so fucking based

[small timber]

ya, considering there are suggestion like "change exoblade"; this seems normal and very much reasonable

[unique vector]

and with that im going to bed

[crude geode]

Gn

[devout wraith]

mb create a new acs obtained in post moon lord/Providence period. it'll give immun. to mana sick. like others removing-debuff stuff we already have. And finally combine it with Etherial Talisman. wet dream of mages.
Or instead of immun. to manasick. there will be #% (~70% to prevent mages be op) to avoid sickness.

[crude geode]

I think that it would be an exploit if you didn’t need it to pass as a valid sugg through posting/voting

[unique vector]

okay i was gonna go to bed but no

[crude geode]

Since those two exist it still has to pass through community liking the idea of the rework (including high chance of someone else who wanted to rework it) and it having actual reasoning

[unique vector]

immunity to mana sickness is stupid and will be broken

never

okay gn

[crude geode]

Lmao based

[tulip parcel]

yyyeah mana sickness immunity being the way to fix this is like

[small timber]

there is already an accessory called chaos stone

[tulip parcel]

suggesting building a mountain sized road roller to deal with a narrow mountain pass

[unique vector]

look i hate mana sickness being vanilla’s bandaid alternative to an actual functional magic class as much as the next guy but you cant outright ignore it

everything will break

they’re referring to the sugg abt adding more mana accs

which we should do tbf

[small timber]

mana sickness to certain degree is a balancing factor for spammy weapons, and for all mage weapon; the case here should be just reduce dark spark mana cost/drain not to make an accessory that get rid of mana sickness

[tulip parcel]

y'know

[unique vector]

what we could do

is force mana sickness to be only a

mana pot thing

[small timber]

oh wait, sorry, I was confused since it was on topic

[unique vector]

and remove mana flower

😃

im kidding

[crude geode]

Unless

😳

[unique vector]

half of me wants to redesign mage so it actually functions properly with a nice behavioral mechanic and synergizes with its weapon behaviors

[tulip parcel]

well mage is inherently a very bursty class

rogue has a meter

[small timber]

it is also weird in that mana flower accessories, being an accessory that incentivize using mana potion over cost reduction, have the best mana cost reduction in the game

[unique vector]

the other half of me does not care because its not my game and i dont want to rewrite something that ppl will whine about

[tulip parcel]

rogue has a meter based on not dealing damage for a bit

[unique vector]

mage is inherently bursty

but a lot of weapons clash with that

[tulip parcel]

mage could have the inverse

[unique vector]

the existence of mana flower and ethereal talisman being the only main mage acc line classes with that

[crude geode]

Ignore those people like we ignore fans of proj melee

[unique vector]

the lack of regen options besides mana regen pot clashes with that

[crude geode]

I really wish the mechanics of coral sprout got increased to across the game but I know it will likely never happen

[unique vector]

you cant exactly ignore mod compat complainers

[tulip parcel]

you could just stuff starbands into every single item but like

[unique vector]

[tulip parcel]

that's lazy

[crude geode]

True they’re actually valid complainers

[unique vector]

shhhhhhhhhhh

[small timber]

just make it a config for mod compatibility (LOL!)

[crude geode]

Sorry I should have specified

If it happens it will happen in 3 years before yharim comes out

[tulip parcel]

Maybe you could make like... I dunno

[crude geode]

😔

[unique vector]

help me its 5:30 in the morning i am losing my mind

you cant force me here

[small timber]

I think it is a similar to case where the mechanic itself is problematic, but a change for it also requires rebalancing every weapon in the game

[unique vector]

im going to bed

yes

[tulip parcel]

3-5 bosses drop mana accessories like Slime God

that are just

[unique vector]

it would require an entire rebalance

[tulip parcel]

'fulfil condition = get more mana'

[unique vector]

redesigning the thing to fit with mods

redesigning all the accs

guh

[small timber]

personally I think mage will fit a style where more mana = more damage, less mana = less damage, and mana sickness basically just make sure you can always fire weapon but consistently lower damage than normal

[unique vector]

no

no

no

ion blaster hell

ion blaster hell

[crude geode]

Which is super frustrating and the testing team is so tiring that even bringing it up as an actual idea would require months

[unique vector]

goodnight

[small timber]

(tbh I dont play mage enough to have good ideas, it is my least play class)

[unique vector]

welcome to the world of weapon balancing

touch one thing and 50 others explode

[crude geode]

Balancing is why shroom shrine fucker needs to die

Is it dead yet

[small timber]

(I still dont understand why they make shroom shrined scale with the entire game and so impactful, when other shrine accessories is pretty much only good pre-evil boss)

[tulip parcel]

I've played terraria since skeletron was the final boss

Mage has always been a little bit of an outlier

(Though Melee needs projectile melee weapons to stand at all in vanilla terraria)

but Calamity has two burst mechanics for every class, adrenaline and rage

[small timber]

seems very alive to me, it still havent given soft cap

[tulip parcel]

and rogue has 3 in the stealth bar

the best thing mage has going for it is having all the weirder attacks that can be better in niche situations

or against certain bosses

[small timber]

I think rogue is less of a case tbh, pre-HM is burst; after HM is pretty much an attack cooldown

I think mage (in vanilla case), is pretty much is just they have the most unique weapon, best tracking?, and pretty much the only class with access to combat healing

all of these are not the case in calamity due to how gear works, which makes the class much less unique to the point that its only difference with other class is it use mana

[crude geode]

Yep

[frozen hornet]

You have chaos stone to get rid of mana sickness

[crude geode]

(This was already addressed)

[frozen hornet]

Doncare
Missed that

[small timber]

remove mana sickness will also like, completely invalidate the entire mana mechanic

since mana just basically turn into "yo how is your stockpile of mana potion", current chaos stone at least is still not the case since it kills your hp at doing that

[frozen hornet]

I like the idea of turrets firing like tita rail

also fits with thanos' deathray because of the converging

[violet pivot]

Yo what if they add whip speed to the level progression in calamity?

[hollow shell]

I tend to dislike reasons that are formed based on trying to make something "make sense" in in-world logic
But I like your proposed solution xp

[small timber]

just to be sure does abandoned lab have turrets? since for some reason I dont encounter them often

the non-biome one

[hollow shell]

I actually don't know for sure

I think another important aspect to the situation is that the turrets are only a threat when you are within their line-of-sight, even regardless of player-placed block intervention

If they were able to fire through tiles, then they would be a threat always, all the way up till you reach them and break them, as you're exploring any part of the lab

[small timber]

ya it will kinda make sense too

since the defense system is supposed to stop the player from being near the lab (just like any form of defense system should do), not to only stop the player when they are already inside the lab

[hollow shell]

Sure

[small timber]

(and tbh lab is not common at all, I use cheat sheet to reval maps and except for the biome ones, the abandoned ones are super rare)

ok some are fully abandoned, some (still intact) ones have turrets it seems

[dire mural]

I concur with the turret thing

Why do they get stopped by all blocks

That seems like

Idk lol

[crude geode]

it's bc they fire way too fast so the only way to fight it is to not fight it lol

if you're pre-hm trying to get to labs

[dire mural]

I feel like it would make more sense if they still don’t go through the lab stuff

But you can’t just block em off with dirt

Lol

[old abyss]

palidin's hammer

[hollow shell]

What about it

@misty raft Your scope is a bit too grand, there

You'd make more progress suggesting changes one-at-a-time, to certain bosses or attacks you think are problematic

[misty raft]

yeah but every boss in calamity is another bullet hell

literally look at scal & calamitas

[raven hare]

2 bosses?

[swift wharf]

desert scourge is a bullet hell

[misty raft]

draedon too

[small timber]

most of the bosses that are called "bullet hell" is not bullet hell

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

by far not even close to the definition of bullet hell, it is just people see "many projectiles = bullet hell"

[hollow shell]

I can already see this spiraling into an argument and I want to stop that before it starts

[small timber]

the only one that I will say is like, close to bullet hell is providence; even yharon is super pattern based

[hollow shell]

The suggestion as it is is not valid, because its scope is too broad, the problems and solutions too nebulous, and the workload too great

[small timber]

scal maybe but I will not count it

[hollow shell]

You should instead make individual suggestions regarding individual bosses as that is far more actionable

Also @raven hare Very unlikely that we will implement a config for a single sound effect on a single armor set
You'd probably be better off asking for the sound to be completely removed, or made much quieter, or changed to something else

[small timber]

(and also I just realise his suggestion literally include every single thing boss can do: they cant have projectiles, cant have contact damage, cant have charges, and cant have minions in the fight)

[hollow shell]

(yes indeed, it is very reductive)

[small timber]

his suggestion will pretty much boil bosses down to like, puzzle bosses and platformer game bosses; where the main threat is overcoming the obstacles rather than the bosses themselves

[hollow shell]

Rude

[raven hare]

even just making it a bunch quieter would be preferable to what its like now imo

[hollow shell]

Then I recommend you edit your suggestion to ask for that instead

[raven hare]

have done

[hollow shell]

(Not quite what I meant but I also don't want to backseat too hard)

[small timber]

spamming unrelated gif is abit unnecessary you know

[hollow shell]

Okay @misty raft I have warned you so that you can't do that anymore

[ashen warren]

bro is in shambles

[hollow shell]

Actually I'm elevating that to a mute right now because that last one was softcore porn

[raven hare]

[ashen warren]

sorry for my friends attitude he's a bit tilted at the projectiles in the astrum aureus fight

[hollow shell]

I see

[hollow shell]

mhm, this is a suggestion we've gotten several times before

ohp- bye

[dire mural]

I think I saw a suggestion about cryogenic icicles

Being hard to see

Idk why they’re tiny blue and white in a super blue and white area

[hollow shell]

Yes we have plans on remedying that issue

[dire mural]

That’s good

Im sure this has been said before

But why does scal have such long bullet hells of immunity

And so often

It’s a hard boss I get it but I feel like doing something that would take a hard 3m fight to 6m feels bad

[hollow shell]

That's simply her design, she is meant to alternate between periods of pure dodging and periods of her being active and damageable

I suppose you could ask for her to be damageable and maybe semi-active during the bullet hells

If you can provide sufficient reasoning

[dire mural]

Like 50% damage reduction

It’s a 3m fight prolonged with what feels like minutes of nothing but dodging

It gets pretty irritating to repeat the boss if you mess up, or for farming

I think it’d be fine if she was damageable but obviously make it like 50% reduction or some sort

So it’s like, obviously still focus on dodging but at least you’re not doing nothing but that for s full minute or so each time

That too

It’s literally the opposite

Ones too quick the other is way too long for what little you do

[hollow shell]

I personally don't agree with the idea that those sections are you "doing nothing" but, it would be valid to suggest

[dire mural]

“Nothing besides dodging”

Is what I meant

[hollow shell]

myeah

[dire mural]

When you do that what is it, 3 times

Minute or so?

If you mess up you gotta do that all over again cause it practically two shots you

The non bullet he’ll is super easy and the other is a nightmare

Scal is very volatile and inconsistent

I don’t want scal to be an easy boss, I want her to be a good boss. I think almost everyone would agree that the non bullet hells she is pretty joke but the bullet hell is a nightmare. Very inconsistent for her design it feels

[violet pivot]

I think is balance because unless you are summoner you have to aim at scal and dodging the bh plus aiming/doing damage can get messy

[dire mural]

Like “okay she’s super easy let’s add 3 instances of 1m+ bullet hells to add difficulty”

I would absolutely take the bullet hells becoming where she is damageable but less damage, and the non bullet hells are more fitting for her

So let’s just say

Scal is like 20% beefier in normal phase, hits harder. Scal in bullet hell is now damageable but 50% less damage

Obviously I wouldn’t suggest rspecific numbers but that’s just the idea

[small timber]

if they make scal take damage during bullet hell they will just have to make her hp extremely beefy again

[fossil finch]

i think her bh phases are fine

[dire mural]

Cause one feels too easy the other feels too hard for most people. 6m fight inflated due to it. Something feels wrong

[dire mural]

Im fine with that

[small timber]

since fight are balanced for fight time not necessary the dps the player is able to dish out

[fossil finch]

it's not like her bh make her fight very long

Because like

[dire mural]

I think a good boss fight is better than a long boss fight

[fossil finch]

The intended killtime for balancing accounts them in

So if you do that it'd be the same length

[dire mural]

For something that a lot of people will mess up repeatedly, a 3m fight inflated to 6m

On repeat

[fossil finch]

uh, no

[dire mural]

Is very very irritating for people

[small timber]

the problem is that will either:

1. she gain so much DR and so beefy during BH that she is near invincible level (which dont change anything other than other phase/entire fight is longer); or
2. she dont have enough DR/not beefy enough that you minmaxed super hard damage that you phase her BH after BH, and she never have normal phase again

[fossil finch]

Her intended kill time accounts the bh phases

If you change her to be damagable her intended kill time would stay the same

[violet pivot]

Thats the point on scal overcome the bh to succes

[dire mural]

Obviously there’s be issues but yeah

[fossil finch]

It'd be balanced around the same length so that wouldn't change

[dire mural]

Idk, just seems insanely inconsistent

[small timber]

the current balance is pretty much that she is extremely squishy, like if you compare to exo mechs she has 1/3 of hp of exo mechs; her fight is largely dodging BH itself

[dire mural]

Yeah no I don’t want her to be exo mechs

Lmao

[fossil finch]

Again

[small timber]

this advantage of this is that you can use any weapon on her and it will work; I used terrarian and it actually can do scal

[dire mural]

Which imho is kinda

[fossil finch]

If ur worried about lenght then just doing that wouldn't help

[dire mural]

Bumming

[fossil finch]

She's the length she'd be even if her bhs didn't make her invulnerable

[dire mural]

But that’s my view on that

[dire mural]

Heh

Yeah true, just yeah

[small timber]

another incentive is maybe that "yo this BH phase is hard, so please just dodge instead of having to worry about dealing damage"; and another is as of currently scal is the (only?) boss that still have invincible damage transition