suggestions-discussion

[gaunt tiger]

one or the other should be lessened, right?

[gray nebula]

thats what youget for playing master tho

?

lol

longer bosses

and your sugg doesnt make it very clear that its specifically because of that

nor does it adress the fact itd set a precedent for us to then start actually balancing master

[gaunt tiger]

I have bigger problems with dog but it ain't my place to suggest wider things like that

[gray nebula]

well

i feel like suggesting to adress the main issue instead of nerfing master would make more sense

but what i meant was just that ur sugg doesnt adress the potential questions people may have when looking at it which it probably should

[gaunt tiger]

I think the cosmic guardians should be removed, the lasers should have less range, the wall should stop in the middle instead of doing a full criss-cross, and the fireballs should move slower

[small timber]

(sorry late reply, was doing something else), from my experience new DoG is easier in that its lasers are generally very easy to dodge as you just have to move to a general direction rather than precise dodging, what is most important is dont get touched by the head (which is slower now), it is definitely worth get hit by a laser just to dodge out of the head

[gaunt tiger]

dog is the cheapest fight in the mod and it was very very frustrating to play

lasers are fine, but it's the compounding of everything together into one mess when incoming damage is so high

[small timber]

Yharon is a similar deal, dont get charge under any circumstances, just core of the blood god is available so you get punished less, thats about it

[gaunt tiger]

you can just dash into yharon tho

with aegis

[small timber]

Master mode you definitely should expect that you have to dodge 60~70% of attack and dont get chain hit

[gaunt tiger]

yeah but you get 3 shot by lasers

*on summoner

[small timber]

You can also ram dog's head which is what makes it not terrible

[gaunt tiger]

also dog will rubberband if you fall too fast on slime saddle

ultra cheap ultra cringe

[small timber]

That one i definitely dont experience, especially with new dog since it do less sharp turn now

[gaunt tiger]

it literally moves faster when I reach top slime mount speed

if I don't have RoD up I die

not always, but enough times to annoy me

sry for ranting about dog I guess, but it's really not in a good spot imo?

[small timber]

Also I just realise, why doesnt the suggestion just suggest to nerf DoG's damage?

[gaunt tiger]

I don't even know, it's 5am

[small timber]

Since the current situation it looks like the problem is Dog's massively inflated damage, not fight duration

[gaunt tiger]

I'd prefer just a wider nerf to dog's mechanics

cosmic guardians should be delet

but yeah in lieu of that, a damage nerf

[small timber]

The current dog's mechanic is like, ok? Atleast better than before where its main difficulty is just super sudden speed up

Laser walls (phase 2 big laser wall) I do say can use longer telegraph

[gaunt tiger]

I've deleted my suggestion, I'll rework in the morning

[gaunt tiger]

I think it'd be nice if the lasers stopped where they meet in the middle, rahter than going far

I've been double hit by the same set more than a few times

the fireballs in p2 are also very fast for how far they travel - I will concede this might be a skill issue

as I said the adds move too fast, they come at you from off screen and I literally could never react, it was all rng if I dodged or not

getting hit from offscreen with no telegraph hurts my heart

[small timber]

@dull canyon from testing by beta tester zenith is about on performance of how strong the weapon is supposed to be against supreme calamitas and exo mechs

[dull canyon]

o h

[small timber]

especially considering how easy the weapon is to be used

[dull canyon]

i guess

i mean

i havent done a melee run of 2.0

and

[small timber]

it is actually ark of the cosmos getting an indirect buff because of a tmodloader mechanic change that make melee speed buff damage, so ark is overperforming right now (and will be toned down slightly)

[dull canyon]

sadge

[small timber]

zenith is on the strong side of weapon you can use against scal and exo actually

it is definitely not weak

[gray nebula]

i mean ark can just be made to not get boosted by melee speed gg ez

[ashen warren]

isnt it already unaffected?

[small timber]

I think it is still affected in some way, since it is not supposed to be that strong, maybe messed up in some way

since they didn't touched the balance of aotc but after patch 2.0 it just become much stronger

[gray nebula]

currently it doesn't swing faster with melee speed

but maybe it gets damage bonuses from it anyway s

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IciiCeBIgE8 ok this should be good enough, this is here for you to maybe refer tomorrow if you need it for suggestion

my opinion: it is not really that bad, but I imagine on a less tanky setup the lasers wall will gonna be painful

main complain is still the Phase 2 big laser wall start up as sudden as usual

however my general recommendation is if you go master mode just go as tanky as possible, the benefit of menacing/full damage is actually very minimum unless you go super minmax/to the extreme (eg: nohit setup)

but ya, definitely dont get hit by the head, I messed up once and almost died

[hollow shell]

@violet pivot You have to at least acknowledge the OOA equipment in your suggestion

[small timber]

ya, something like "while OOA equipment exist they don't scale into late game especially post-ML, you basically is forced to be undergeared or don't use sentry build"

[violet pivot]

I edit it

[small timber]

is the alcohol tooltip deliberately removed? since everclear used to say "it count as 2 alcohols"

or was it never given and I just confused it with wiki information

[distant gyro]

Everclear never had that tooltip

it is only hinted

[ashen warren]

something did i swear

[distant gyro]

This is the most potent booze I have, be careful with it

[ashen warren]

i remember smth like that

[small timber]

ya then it should be fine, since I was afraid it was removed deliberately to clear up the tooltip

[primal cairn]

Just to double check before I write it, a suggestion about reducing the amount of gravestones needed for a graveyard should be fine, right? This doesn’t seem to fall under any of the categories in the “suggestion don’ts” doc but I’m just making sure

[small timber]

it is deliberately increase I think as the player die a lot more often in calamity

[primal cairn]

I know calamity increases it

I think calamity increases it too much

[small timber]

I think a more fitting suggestion is to make gravestone acquisition easier, eg: have one of the NPC sell gravestone

[primal cairn]

And thus want to suggest that the amount of gravestones required is lowered

[small timber]

say clothier maybe fitting

since I think the opinion on the suggestion will be very mixed, since the usage of graveyard is limited, you only need it for a while than instnatly get rid of it

[primal cairn]

That’s not a very good solution, as one of the biggest problems I have with calamity changing graveyards is that it massively screws over builders

Good luck trying to fit like what, 17 gravestones? in your build

[small timber]

specifically for building then I am not sure what will be a good solution (config again maybe)

[primal cairn]

Just reduce the amount of gravestones back down like what I would suggest

Graveyards are barely even an issue anyways

The enemies spawned by them are only a threat in extreme earlygame

And destroying a graveyard if it does bother you is as simple as mining a few gravestones

The only time graveyards are a pain is when you want to set one up but don’t have enough gravestones to do it

And calamity increasing the amount of gravestones needed just exacerbates this issue

[thorny cloud]

@gray nebula my suggestion has 8 stars and 1 person against it rn

Wulfrum ftw! !!!

[hollow shell]

what suggestion

[crude geode]

it's in cal vanities iirc

so not the chat for this

[hollow shell]

I'm pretty sure a majority of boss grind money comes from selling drops, right?

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[quaint kernel]

generally no, i decided to dump all the money dropped from fighting crabulon so that the only money i got was from selling items

i got 25 gold from the boss and 5 from the items

[eternal escarp]

other than Yharon i think which drops 10 plat on himself

well you see

crabulon has less drops compared to other bosses

if you'd do DS for example you get much more drops with much better value

[quaint kernel]

DS meaning destroyer?

[eternal escarp]

also applies to Cryogen, AS, pretty much all evil bosses

DS meaning Desert Scourge

[quaint kernel]

ah

here lemme test that

[eternal escarp]

he himself drops 5 gold

he drops the sandy angling kit, of which all accessories there give a 1 gold
the angler set gives 1 gold each piece, and you will get about 6 silver from the potions
you get average of 39 silver from victory shards
27 silv from corals
45 silv from shells
90 silv from starfish

and then theres the weapons which, if reforged, give much more

you get the relic which is already worth a gold

[quaint kernel]

got 6 gold from selling items

then 12 from the boss itself

[eternal escarp]

doesnt sound right, unless the wiki is wrong

relic counts

they drop from rev on purpose

[quaint kernel]

alright just sold it and got a total of 6 gold

[eternal escarp]

one second

[quaint kernel]

@ashen warren theres a veinminer remake in 1.4 called ore excavator

[ashen warren]

alright thanks also nvm

[quaint kernel]

no problem

[eternal escarp]

the money the bag actually provides seems to vary a lot tbh

[hollow shell]

Alright fair enough

[eternal escarp]

well yeah seems like the bags do give more money than the wiki seems to claim

[small timber]

Abit late but I think you should test king slime, for some reason king slime drop absurd amount of gold

i am not sure if its gold drop is increased in hardmode or something, but just farming king slime is actually faster than DS, Slime God or other hard mode boss for me

[distant gyro]

calamity caused hyperinflation

in normal mode enemies drop 2.5x the coins

in expert mode enemies drop 1.5x the coins, which previously was 2.5x, totalling 3.75x

basically ds drops almost 20 gold per kill

[hollow shell]

wdym enemies drop 2.5x in normal

Calamity does that natively?

[distant gyro]

this was a change done in 2.0.0.1

yes

[hollow shell]

That's... why though

[distant gyro]

#508716631166418950 message

[hollow shell]

The player having way too much money was already a thing pre-2.0

So it was because Rev did it, and it was made to happen not only in all modes, but also a greater amount?

[distant gyro]

expert was made equal to rev before, and normal was made equal to expert before

[cobalt pewter]

🤓

[distant gyro]

cope

[hollow shell]

But whyyy though

[distant gyro]

.... who knows?

[hollow shell]

Okay

[small timber]

there is really nothing to spend money on currently anyway after they reduce RoD price to 10 plat

[distant gyro]

everything that was remotely mildly expensive before also nuked

goblin reforge prices went down by half

[small timber]

unless you fail on bosses 100 deaths each and you buy all potions

[distant gyro]

cirrus shop items were sliced

some by a factor of 1/3

[hollow shell]

TO

TO 10 Plat

[distant gyro]

rod went from 24 to 10 plat

[hollow shell]

That should be really hard to acquire

[small timber]

it is actually like, really easy now

in my pt for some reason king slime drop like 50 gold per kill so I hard farmed it on Hard Mode

[distant gyro]

and with happiness features

[hollow shell]

Yes and boss summons are all nonconsumable nowadays

[distant gyro]

rod is down to a min of ~7.5 plat

[golden tulip]

a little trolling

[distant gyro]

(since wizard sells it in his favored biome anyway it will almost always be lower than 10 plat)

[small timber]

@glacial ingot that is how flight work in general, you reset when standing on platform, it is not a soaring insignia thing (even if your intention is to make soaring insignia still provide 'pseudo infinite flight')

and I will definitely disagree on soaring insignia being "useless", it is simply that its original effect of permanent flight is massively overpowered

in its current stat soaring insignia is one of the best accessory in the game that you can use after you acquire it straight to the final boss

[eternal escarp]

people when they dont realize it had a better stat and not just lol flight

[small timber]

and one of the best sub stat even, eventhough its main point is flight

[eternal escarp]

also whats the point
it was nerfed to not have infinite flight but what you suggest would practically make in infinite flight agian

and agian agian

what xpc said, just stand on a platform for half a second

[eternal escarp]

its main point is flight because thats the only thing most people knew about beforehand iirc

[small timber]

calamity did nerfed the ascend speed right? or it is just translate to the 48%->10% jump speed

[glacial ingot]

The point of my suggestion is to not have to stand on a platform

[small timber]

since I remember old insignia boost ascend even if you start in air

soaring insiginia in its current stat is way too good to warrant a buff like that

and ya, it is basically infinite flight if you do it that way

[eternal escarp]

well your point is really just calling for laziness

[glacial ingot]

True

[eternal escarp]

if your suggestion was implemented, whats the point
you have "infinite flight" agian

it removes the entire purpose

[small timber]

(it is so close to infinite flight to the point you have to address it so it dont become infinite flight)

[eternal escarp]

also yea

[still zodiac]

it would also ignore the nerfs to the infinite flight time that some bosses have

[glacial ingot]

ahh

[eternal escarp]

and the 2x to 1.1x for acceleration while flying

(that was one hell of a stat iirc)

[still zodiac]

magi + soaring :trollage

[eternal escarp]

yes!

[small timber]

vanilla soaring insignia was comical, although tbh in vanilla eol is a pseudo challenge boss

it is on par with moon lord in strength, just it get destroyed by pillar weapons

[glacial ingot]

What was the main problem with the insignia's infinite flight (I haven't used it alot)

[eternal escarp]

it works in vanilla because even without infinite flight you can practically fly for long enough it doesnt matter

[still zodiac]

well in vanilla it would make sense, but calamity isn't vanilla, so

[small timber]

it is overpowered, and it makes all wing's flight time stat useless, you practically never have to upgrade wings again

[eternal escarp]

just forever flying is quite nullifying of bosses

[glacial ingot]

hmm

[eternal escarp]

and exploration byea

[small timber]

your skyline wing will be as good as drew's wing, for reference

[still zodiac]

but even then the bigger issue for insignia is the huge mobility boost it provided

[eternal escarp]

yep

[still zodiac]

infinite flight time just makes that issue worse

[glacial ingot]

But they have diferent acceleration stats

[small timber]

ya, considering calamity's tuned down version is still one of the best (if not the single best) movement accessory in the game, surpassing everything in post-Moon Lord

there is not another single accessory that come even close, in its current nerfed stat

[still zodiac]

and although you can refill flight time by just hooking onto a platform, having more flight time means you have to worry less about doing that

which is also quite a huge deal

[glacial ingot]

for me flight time stats arent a worry, i just let go of the space bar and refill flight time by landing on a platform, i would prefer to just hold down space

[small timber]

if flight time is not a concern then it also means currently it is fine

[glacial ingot]

Its a matter of lazyness

[eternal escarp]

honestly i kinda just reply with
too bad

[small timber]

ya then just, dont be lazy

[eternal escarp]

it takes half a second to sit on a platform and fall through it

[glacial ingot]

In the current system I have to release space every now and then

[still zodiac]

I mean

[eternal escarp]

hell you litterally have an Ice Rod to replenish wing flight forever just use that if you miss it that much

[glacial ingot]

but with the change I could just hold it down

[small timber]

I mean for travelling you can also just use flying mounts you know

[eternal escarp]

yes that is indeed how the game is played

manage your flight time

[small timber]

they are not exactly slow speed, just they tend to have slow turn for bosses

[eternal escarp]

if you didnt need to manage it then why does flight time even exist

[still zodiac]

sometimes I feel lazy and just butcher bosses :clueless

[eternal escarp]

at that point give all wings infinite flight time

do you see what i mean

[small timber]

and in bosses it is a bit too lazy to like, let go of playing the game

[glacial ingot]

Thats what the insignia did in vanilla just I think it needs some strings attached to it

[eternal escarp]

and in vanilla it doesnt matter because either way you dont manage your flight time

in Calamity, you kinda do

the "string" you attach to it practically means nothing

[glacial ingot]

OK, my final point is that I want to be lazier and not have to release space every now and then

[eternal escarp]

then yeah im sorry but really just

too bad imo

learn to manage your flight time

[glacial ingot]

I can its easy, i just want to be lazy

[eternal escarp]

then enable god mode at that point

and like, seriously you cant tell me 50% more flight time isnt enough

[still zodiac]

I mean, we all want to be lazy sometimes but the result will never be as satisfying as actually trying

[small timber]

I think there definitely is other mods that add like give player infinite flight time, at this point just use those

[glacial ingot]

Nah it aint worth an accessory slot

[still zodiac]

it definitely is

[eternal escarp]

it really is

[small timber]

it is highly unlikely for them to buff a good accessory already with the main reason being laziness

[eternal escarp]

may not be for you

but it really is

[still zodiac]

people use stuff like aero stone and grand gelatin because of the mobility they provide

[eternal escarp]

• the other small bonuses it gives still make it one of the greater mobility accessories

[still zodiac]

mobility is just survivability, but in a different form

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[glacial ingot]

alright you've convinced me

I will remove the suggestion

and use a mod that adds extra flight time

[eternal escarp]

hf with that, ig

[crude geode]

@quaint kernel honestly here’s an idea, make bosses drop 90% less gold after the first kill.

Fighting bosses is so over prevelant in calamity that I think making them an extremely minor source of income would be a welcome change, encouraging players to do literally anything else besides grinding them.

[small timber]

tbh I just think not even first kill, make bosses drop less money in general

[hollow shell]

Genius (genius)

I personally think it's fine to get the money stimulus from the big one-time accomplishment

[crude geode]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too

Also encourages just doing the fight once instead of repeatedly doing it to get rewards (ravager)

That we’ve seen a bit in things like moon lord not needing to be killed 50 times and shit

[tardy smelt]

thank gosh we have luminite planetoids now

(planetoids my beloved)

[hollow shell]

@warped coyote Yes that is indeed planned
We'll be releasing more updates to add more 1.4 equivalency, in time

[warped coyote]

Yeeeeey

[keen zealot]

I used the boot upgrades until moon lord purely because rocket boots and all their derivatives give +0.5s of flight time

every time. always

insignia would be SO WORTH that slot especially given the extra speed it gives unless you guys removed that too in which case boo. massive blunder

[hardy dock]

I’ve always found the effects of Soaring Insignia to be kinda redundant

Flight time is so easy to get back that getting infinite of it really only changes how much you grapple spam in mid air

[crude geode]

This Marinite sugg is massive cringe

Pre boss weapons should really just be. simple.

Giving the weapon a charge attack bc “it would let you use the extra damage on the end” is really blegh when you could just. be close to enemies instead.

[rugged vector]

but it would be an early movement weapon tool hybrid

not to mention you craft this

its like a musket, why bother crafting it when its functionally the same as a musket

[crude geode]

what

[rugged vector]

its basically an obsolete musket my friend

[rugged vector]

its craftable and its basically a musket

why bother when you can go hit up a nearby corruption biome for a gun

[crude geode]

Blame dps then. or just delete it we already have 5000 pre-boss weapons

[ashen warren]

yes please add this, marnite has been so overlooked

[rugged vector]

why should i bother using the marnite over the musket?
there's no point in doing it currently which is why im suggesting giving it something to make it worth my 7 gold bars

[hardy dock]

Wow one weapon is SLIGHTLY better at one thing

But like

Ranged Weapons are more effective at close range in Calamity so a bayonet is honestly probably better because not only does it have point blank but it also has an additional close ranged hit

[cobalt pewter]

plus like

it's not hard to poke at an enemy with a bayonet early on

[hardy dock]

Plus the bayonet is way easier to get than the musket, and in crimson worlds the undertaker is dogshit

[cobalt pewter]

enemies in Terraria early phm are designed to work with the dumbass broadswords you were given

[tired haven]

I love how all of this stems from a fact that musket is balanced to be post-eoc weapon and as such bayonet is given flack for not being that

[crude geode]

Yeah totally lol

Cal doesn’t even change musket at all

[gray nebula]

debatable

bayonet requires u to go find a marble & granite biome whcih is a lil time consuming vs just bombing an orb

but yea

[proven vortex]

Often times a crimson or corruption is right next to spawn

[small timber]

that two biome is quite rng too, you can just not find one of them very commonly

meanwhile ya, evil biome you for sure know where to get it, and it is your first heart guaranteed

[unborn oriole]

I once found my corruption overlapping jungle AND ocean

World gen is goofy

[proven vortex]

Even if it isn't you're guaranteed to find one, and bombs are quite common

[gray nebula]

small world ?

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

First times playing terraria

[proven vortex]

Don't use

it can do things like delete the temple

[unborn oriole]

Good days of barely understanding vanilla

Back when i tought it was like minecraft and i didn't know shit about houses

[small timber]

considering calamity npcs exist probably not gonna happen

(and you can be less specific by just say 'make an item that makes NPC happier')

[eternal escarp]

@stable lynx first of all, the recipe is not needed and is just adding needless specifity
secondly, why?

[small timber]

probably just like, 'I am post Moon Lord I am the champion of the world why do I need to care about the happiness of these pesky citizens'

[stable lynx]

well post moonlord so there is a slight challenge in getting it done

[small timber]

I will not call it 'slight challenge', it is just natural course of progression

[proper grail]

Hello again

It's been a while

[small timber]

the only time silent was useful was because I used premech gear on moon lord and I cant get enough stealth gen, that probably says a lot about how bad silent is

[eternal escarp]

hello hello

[proper grail]

I'm running a full Silent build rn

[eternal escarp]

thats not really a reason tbh

[proper grail]

It's not great

[eternal escarp]

also sol i think you have 3 sugg in posting rn

[proper grail]

Yeah?

I do

I just see a lot of unbalanced stuff and do my best to fix it lol

[eternal escarp]

there the 2 sugg per 24 hours rule thing

[proper grail]

It's a single hour away from being 24 hours apart

[small timber]

I think rover did quoted rules is rules on a previous case

[proper grail]

It's not like I'm spamming the chat with mediocre suggestions or anything

Besides, I'm well known (or was well known) for being one of the people who kept the suggestions in line and provided feedback

General consensus was that as long as you're not spamming or causing a disruption, and your suggestions are actually worthwhile, posting three on rare occasions was acceptable

Just wait like 30 minutes

[eternal escarp]

i personally dont really mind, just noted because
yeah

[proper grail]

Yeah I'm aware

I knew it was like 23.5 hours since my last two suggestions and I didn't want to lose the idea

That's all

[eternal escarp]

ye thats fair

[proper grail]

👍

It's good to see you again btw

[eternal escarp]

ye been a while

[proper grail]

How's life been for you?

[eternal escarp]

pretty fine, yours?

[proper grail]

I got busy moderating another major community, said community died to mismanagement at the hands of Kongregate, now I'm back here

[eternal escarp]

ah, oh well

[proper grail]

Honestly I just lost most of my inspiration to play Calamity because I kept trying to force no hits on the hardest difficulties

Which took the fun out for me

So now I'm just doing a standard Master Death playthrough

And noticing the issues I find

[eternal escarp]

sounds like a good idea yea

[proper grail]

This is off topic though I'll stop cluttering the chat

[real steppe]

when hardmode ore progression was reworked

was it intended that plantera, calamitas, aureus etc spawners still require a mythril anvil?

[gaunt tiger]

a while ago

it can be disabled in mod config

[eternal escarp]

im not sure if it was intended

you could suggest to move them to normal anvil, which is what i assume was your idea

[real steppe]

yeah

maybe tomorrow or next time, its currently 12AM here

[grim tusk]

Silent is far better than menacing for (stealth) rogue lmao

And if it were buffed

[small timber]

summoner whips as of right now is intended as a support tool for the summons, so I think new obsidian armor will be like, not anytime soon

[gaunt tiger]

@violet pivot I don't think you're meant to suggest that they add items

[fossil finch]

You can suggest they add items its just you can't specify

[swift wharf]

They'll add whip stuff anyway

[fossil finch]

saying add more whips armors is ok
Specifics aren't

[small timber]

I dont think the suggestion is specify tbh, in the context obsidian armor is more of an example of what is 'whip armor'

[gaunt tiger]

I think existing armor should just get whip boosts

would be nice

[violet pivot]

yeah I used the obsidian armor to give an example

im not specifying

there are a lot of armor in the pre hard mode that the set bonus is just a minion

[small timber]

the main reason for that is:

1. whip only exist recently in tmodloader
2. calamity rebalanced whip in a way that intended it to be more of a "support weapon" for minion

with the way how it is going it will not really make sense to add whip specific armor

[violet pivot]

yeah I heard they will introduce whips in later versions

[small timber]

unless they suddenly make a 180 degree turn in design choice and decide to rebalance every single minion in the game, and trust me at that point using whips will feel super forced

[gray nebula]

nah calamity whip balancei s up int he air

rn testers are confused

👍

also whip armos!!s

yea thatd be cool

the overhead minion set bonuses kindapoopy but thats because 5 class armor sets kinda poopy

[violet pivot]

but I didnt see anything about whip related armor

[gray nebula]

can someone make a rework sugg for the wulfrum battery

[gray nebula]

cuz we didnt add new content yet

[small timber]

what even is wulfrum battery

[swift wharf]

but my 7% damage

[violet pivot]

that makes sense

[gray nebula]

i mean it can keep 7% damage i just dont know how itd be made cooler rn

[icy saddle]

Make it like give the player defense the more minions you have

Like 2 def for each minion slot?

Idk

[inner anvil]

I don't know man, free Wulfrum Drone if you have the battery on. Shrug.

[icy saddle]

Well yeah, that's still like 6 def

Not bad for that early

[eternal escarp]

makes a pylon aura to empower your summons shrugers

[inner anvil]

Summons John Wulfrum.

[eternal escarp]

FEAR

momentum capacitor 2: the summoner version

[inner anvil]

Chaotic Evil solution: Make it a pet.

[eternal escarp]

no thats chaotic neutral

chaotic evil is replacing it entirely

[icy saddle]

What if as an accessory it gave you a small drone that does something, like either healing or damage Ig

[inner anvil]

Rework Wulfrum Batteries to make them the source of energy for Wulfrum equipment.

[inner anvil]

Oh my god, Healing Drone from RoR2!

[icy saddle]

^^^^^

I would love that

Lmao

[inner anvil]

Literally dead.

[inner anvil]

So true brother.

[fossil finch]

how would calamity support world bigger than large if there's no options bigger than large xd

[fossil gazelle]

Mod's

Like awg

[fossil finch]

(I know of advanced world generation, but you should specify

if what you want is compatibility with awg, ask for that

instead of vaguely saying "Worlds bigger than large"

@oblique geyser you should kinda reason your sugg more

[real steppe]

ah, if a dev sees this, may I know the answer?

[fossil gazelle]

Here fixed

[fossil gazelle]

Fixed look

[fossil finch]

add more reasoning and you're fine

you should just explain why you want it aside "it'd be fun" or "it'd be cool"

[small timber]

dont expect eternity and death mode to ever work together, because trust me on the other hand fargo there will be like "detect and disable death mode AI"

[grim tusk]

Thief’s dime be like:

[fossil finch]

@fierce sapphire Eternity doesn't even work with rev+ properly

[fierce sapphire]

I like Eternity’s non-boss changes and it’s a pain to have to toggle between the two just for calamity bosses

[fossil finch]

yeah but it doesn't really have much of a reason, if anything he should put this

[fossil gazelle]

Better

?

[fierce sapphire]

I’m not mixing rev+ with eternity don’t worry

[fossil finch]

yeah so then what is your sugg

if eternity forces rev+ ai they'll bug too?

refer to the message you're literally replying to, this things should be in the suggestion and they aren't

[grim tusk]

Calamity bosses prob not (worms could have issues, I remember the infinite gores AS), vanilla ones will bug horribly

[real steppe]

actually i may or may not be currently regretting my decision to go for Calamitas as my first hm boss

[fierce sapphire]

The key is it would only force it for Calamity bosses, not all bosses

[fossil gazelle]

Is it fine now?

[fossil finch]

yes

[eternal escarp]

i think they want calamity to override emode AI as a whole?

[fossil gazelle]

ok

[eternal escarp]

but like

just... disable emode yeah

[grim tusk]

^

[fierce sapphire]

No, it would leave vanilla bosses alone, just make it so calamity bosses aren’t stuck with their expert AI

[fossil finch]

at this point it's probably intentional because they've had a lot of time to think about that since 1.5 released but it also may be that simply nobody has cared enough to yell about that until know

[eternal escarp]

wha

now im super confused

[fossil finch]

just enable rev when your figthing a calamity boss then?

[eternal escarp]

^

[fierce sapphire]

Wouldn’t that break things?

[eternal escarp]

it would

[fossil finch]

no

[eternal escarp]

but you want it to

[grim tusk]

Not if you disable rev after fighting boss

[eternal escarp]

oh well yeah it wont break

cal bosses

it will break vanilla bosses

[lavish condor]

So you want it to have Eternity AI for vanilla boss fights and Rev+ AI for Cal boss fights, but don't want to have to toggle the dfificulties?

[fierce sapphire]

Yes, but mainly I want to be able to have Eternity’s non-boss changes without sacrificing Calamity’s difficulty

[grim tusk]

And besides the only Cal difficulty to prob match Emode’s insanity is Malice

[inner anvil]

Okay, good question, why does Calamity have to do this with Eternity? Why don't Eternity devs add it?

[grim tusk]

Just keep emode on and enable/disable cal modes when fighting Cal bosses

[eternal escarp]

is its this then a sugg just like this was requested and completly nullified by just
"disable (x) mode when you play vanilla bosses"

[fierce sapphire]

I’m running parallel playthrough s, I have one on Death and the other on Eternity

I swap between them when I get bored of one

[eternal escarp]

thats already impossible with the fact Fargo Souls, no matter what, adds accessories and items that dont work in Calamity's balance

you cant hope to not "sacrifice" calamity's difficulty unless Fargo accessories are somehow actively bad which i very very doubt

[lavish condor]

I can see the difficulty toggle thing being annoying because I like going 2.95x difficulty in between boss fights to keep it challenging and always accidentally summon a 2.95x difficulty boss and die my first attempt. But wasting an attempt going "oops" isn't inconvenient enough to warrant a change from devs for me

[eternal escarp]

even then theres really no reason to suggest it

because suggestions that are simply for "itd be convenient" are a Don't

a sugg just like this was guilty of the same thing like 3 days ago

[drowsy plank]

@violet pivot if it's any consolation i remember hearing vanilla might be retooling tiki into a whip set so at least you'll have those 2 lol

[fossil finch]

@runic wraith some draedon stuff is intentionally unreasearchable, astral bars though were unintentional you haven't updated

[runic wraith]

the schematics I can understand but why would they make the codebreaker parts unresearchable

if you trash one by accident you'd have to get all crafting materials separately so it's only losing time

[proven vortex]

most of the crafting materials needed for them are researchable so its not too bad

[runic wraith]

all of them are

and that's excactly why them being non researchable is pointless

[proven vortex]

yeah idk why they were excluded from being researchable and its a good suggestion, just remove the part about astral bars as they were fixed

[runic wraith]

ok

[proven vortex]

oh and it makes even less sense that draedon power cells scan't be researched, since how much you can get is limited by the power cell factory, and it takes a while

[runic wraith]

adding that then

[drowsy plank]

@hard marlin you can fish for it yknow

[proven vortex]

It is also only used in 2 recipes and one of them is post hive mind/perforators and by that time exploring the jungle shouldn't be too difficult

[gray nebula]

YOOOOOO NOXS SWORD

we doin this

(about tempral floes deletion

[gaunt tiger]

@ashen warren please don't suggest weapons

[proven vortex]

especially when its super specific (SiS)

[golden tulip]

wakfu weapon

[icy saddle]

Fuck yeah Nox is cool as fuck

I'd love to see a Wakfu reference in Calamity ngl

[gaunt tiger]

@raw mulch interim solution, try the spear relic to fly very very fast away from the boss

it's cheesy but it works

[raw mulch]

yeah fair enough, altho im sad i did not take the screenshot there were about 6 tornadoes on my screen

it was impossible to dodge anything

he requires a nerf

[inner anvil]

Okay, so you're saying that Storm Weaver requires a nerf.
You're saying he has high damage, I mean, what's your setup? And the mobility is part of his fight.

And that other bosses don't charge during the bullet hells doesn't mean we can't do it for this one, why not? Think about it and you'll be able to dodge it.

And the deal with the tornadoes and the charges, you literally move up and down and you've dodge Storm Weaver.
If you could give video proof of your exact problems it would be much appreaciated to see if the suggestion is valid or not.

[inland temple]

I made a suggestion to include an optional config setting to disable stat adjustments to vanilla items, what do you guys think about that? calamity already has a config to disable the hardmode ore distribution so I'm surprised this isn't included yet

[fierce sapphire]

that would be nice

[raw mulch]

Tarragon warrior armor with:
tarragon wings
Fire gauntlet
Yharim insignia
The absorber
Asgard's valor
Sand shark tooth necklace
Deific amulet

All to menacing

[fierce sapphire]

not entirely a fan of what they did to soaring insignia, I get it invalidates bosses but then just disable it during bosses

[drowsy plank]

that causes problems with making it seem like bosses are the only important thing in the game

[fossil finch]

Balancing is treated differently as the hm overhaul because the overhaul may cause actual progression locks with mods and other stuff

[drowsy plank]

dont forget we're getting subworlds in future updates

[fierce sapphire]

I mean
this IS terraria

[fossil finch]

Which is why balancing vanilla changes aren't toggeable

[fierce sapphire]

it basically becomes a boss rush from late Hardmode onward anyway

[fossil finch]

Yeah it is terraria half of the game isn't bosses

[raw mulch]

This isn't exactly a bullet hell, the snow waves from the top can be dodged with precision, but if you are trapped behind the two tornadoes its almost impoasible since you can't escape quickly enough

[fierce sapphire]

though if we're getting subworlds, it would be neat to have them be dungeons leading up to bosses, similar to Starbound's missions (but not garbage)

[raw mulch]

You cannot go "up and down" to dodge him since he can and will come from the top or the bottom, following with lighting

[inland temple]

I always used the soaring insignia to hunt for martian probes :\

[drowsy plank]

if you dont like the changes you can just play a different mod, they were made for a reason lmao

even better just make a mod yourself to revert them

[raw mulch]

Video proof will have to wait

1. Its multiplayer
2. Im about to go to sleep and i have work tomorrow

[inner anvil]

You're using kind of old equipment, Sand Shark Tooth Necklace is pretty much not very powerful at this point, you could've been using Elysian Aegis for more defense and it's all to Menacing, so you're expected to do receive more damage.

[drowsy plank]

it'd be like getting annoyed at fargos for balancing for eternity or something

[fossil finch]

Anyways this a balancing toggle is pretty improbable to be implemented because of this
The main reason hm toggle exists is because they want calamity mod to be playable with other mods

[raw mulch]

For this fight to be reasonablethere really should only be two tornadoes periodically much more spread apart, much like duke fishron or dragonfolly

[drowsy plank]

i didnt get to reply to this but the fact you hold this view is something calamity wants to fix with the biome overhauls, subworlds, their own events, etc.

[fossil finch]

(Terraria at base is also pretty non-boss focused

[inner anvil]

Why is it reasonable like that? Tell me a reason.

[drowsy plank]

pylons entice people to build! even vanilla is trying to fix this

[raw mulch]

Because you cannot dodge or manouver between the 6 tornadoes filling your screen

It us impossible

[inner anvil]

Are you trying to go over the tornadoes...?

[raw mulch]

Ive tried to, but they are insanely tall

[fossil finch]

the point is kinda also why specifically your example

[inner anvil]

You're not supposed to go above them, you're supposed to stay between them.

That's why they're so tall.

[raw mulch]

And i am telling you,since he spawned more tornadoes in between them, this is impossible without dying or relocating

[inner anvil]

But like, other tornadoes don't matter if you're between two, I don't see your point.

[raw mulch]

I am literally telling you

My entire screen

Was filled

With 6

Intermkitting tornadoes

About twp blocks apart

[inner anvil]

Yeah, that's intended, there's no problem with that.

[raw mulch]

Thats unreasonable

[inner anvil]

Two blocks apart? You're exaggerating.

[raw mulch]

I am literally not

[inner anvil]

Send a screenshot when you can.

[raw mulch]

They were about one player thick

[inner anvil]

That's not supposed to happen then.

It's supposed to be like 10-20 blocks apart.

[raw mulch]

The old tornadoes are SUPPOSED to disappear when new ones spawn

But they took their damn time

And still did contact damage

So i had nowhere to go

And died

[inner anvil]

Okay, I'll go in-game to see if you're correct, if you're not, then you aren't telling me anything.

And it could be a multiplayer bug as well.

[raw mulch]

I really do not think it is, i think its more tjat the tornadoes fizzle out shortly after the new ones spawn

And it just so happened that they interlocked eachother almost perfectly

And since the old tornadoes still did damage while fizzling out

I died

On the other hand, the bew tornado spawned durectly on me

The tornadoes shpuld probably immediately disappear just before new ones come out and new ones should not do instant contact damagw

[inner anvil]

The tornadoes look fine.

They're not one player thick.

[raw mulch]

Because new ones did not spawn in yet

The new ones spawned in between the old ones

[inner anvil]

Ah, I see what you mean, then why are you going to the thin side???

Go to the big side.

[raw mulch]

WHAT BIG SIDE MY ENTIRE SCREEN WAS FILLED WITH TORNADOES

[thorny cloud]

everything is tornado

[inner anvil]

This is all there is.

Nothing more spawns.

[raw mulch]

Not like this, rhey were directly in the middle

[inner anvil]

Then that is bug, report it to #bugs-read-pins.

[raw mulch]

If thats a bug, why did it happen almoat evrery time we got to that stage?

[gaunt tiger]

it happened for me too, I had to cheese that fight with the spear relic

it's not a very fun time

[frail mantle]

sometimes bugs happen consistenly

[raw mulch]

Thank you

[inner anvil]

Okay, not these one's, they're on the middle. I still don't see the problems? They dissapear 2 seconds after.

[gaunt tiger]

you have to fly over them instantly and then keep spearing on or you die

funny storm snake

[raw mulch]

Yeah, pair this with the lighting, frost walls and guy charging at you

[gaunt tiger]

^this

[inner anvil]

The tornado in the middle dissapears like 2 seconds after.

[raw mulch]

Thats enough for me to die

[inner anvil]

If it's not dissapearing then that is a bug.

[gaunt tiger]

storm weaver, AA, and also dog need some more time in the oven

[inner anvil]

Lol I guess?

[raw mulch]

Yeah very funny when its two hours of incessant dying to a boss that was previoualy a free kill

[raw mulch]

I think ceasless might need some time too, however he in comparison is way more fair than storm weaver

[gaunt tiger]

@fierce sapphire I think your suggestion would provoke literally everyone

probably not the greatest plan, unless the joke is that fabsol is a bad person or something idk

[fierce sapphire]

the joke is that master mode is terrible

[gaunt tiger]

master mode is (mostly) fine

[swift wharf]

it is terrible

[raw mulch]

Master mode is fine

[frail mantle]

i think the general consensus regardless of your opinion on fabsol is that master is

[swift wharf]

so leave it that way and don't give it more attention

[fierce sapphire]

it's literally just stat bloat, FTW is way better and I don't know why they made that the easter egg instead of actual master mode

[gaunt tiger]

I have killed every boss on master rev up to and including yharon

but yeah it's the general consensus

but why antagonise people who do choose to play on MM

[frail mantle]

if fab wants cirrus to shittalk master in-game he'll do that but i'm not sure if he'd bother

[raw mulch]

Then again if and when rev gets master mode drops there is no need to play it anymore (if that ain't your cup o' tea)

[swift wharf]

^

[gaunt tiger]

giv relic 😢

[raw mulch]

Im literally playing master only for the pets and relics

I love all of em

[swift wharf]

vanilla ones aren't dropping on rev because of a bug so we just have to wait

[raw mulch]

Yeah exactly,so masyer mode is just an extra challenge to those that like it

[gaunt tiger]

master is almost fine btw, it would be a perfectly enjoyable mode if AA, stormweaver, dog got some master-specific nerfs

[raw mulch]

Agreed

Absolutely agreed

[gaunt tiger]

I'm not saying this to start the "balancing master is a slippery slope" argument, but I'm saying it to mean that it's really not as bad as all that

[raw mulch]

And besides,master mode will become redundant when the bug is fixed, so you can just leave it to whoever enjoys the challenge (aka not me)

[gaunt tiger]

I do enjoy the extra boss health

lets me enjoy the bosses more

[raw mulch]

Yeah, and thats fine since thats how you like to play

[gaunt tiger]

yep!

[raw mulch]

Im just glad that we won't be forced to play master if expert rev drops master mode dtops

Because sometimes it can feel a little bullshit

Looking at you storm weaver and astrum

[gaunt tiger]

dude I pray you don't have as much trouble with dog as I did, that is all I can say

[raw mulch]

I probably will

Im playing melee and mybfriend ramged

We will want to die after this

[gaunt tiger]

we're a little offtopic sry eclipse

[swift wharf]

I almost said "just turn off mm for dog"

[gaunt tiger]

LOL

[swift wharf]

[gaunt tiger]

I'm gonna cheat a character in to test expert rev dog

maybe the fight in general is just cheap

[swift wharf]

byeah uhhh master mode not that good but making fun of ppl who play it is very not good

[raw mulch]

Isn't this entire mod about hating players who don't play the hardest difficulty and at the same time hating players who play the hardest difficulties

Thats what i generally hear floating about

[gaunt tiger]

you forgot that ppl say "check the pins" instead of being helpful

[raw mulch]

👍

Anyways, nerf storm weaver. Good night everyone

[gaunt tiger]

gn templar

[swift wharf]

no not really since some changes make playing normal way easier

like expert stuff dropping on all diffs

[inner anvil]

Okay, I tested Storm Weaver, about the tornadoes, I was thinking about another boss, sorry, yes, you are supposed to go away from them either from up or down, and it's not that difficult, if you're in the tornadoes it's your business, you can just go away.

So the tornadoes aren't really a problem, they're there so you don't go left and right and win. That's how I see it.

Maybe it's just me, other testers may test it if they feel like.

[crude geode]

Since you’re here can you test galeforce

[ashen warren]

on like queen bee?

Sure

[crude geode]

I meant the actual tester

[inner anvil]

Sure.

[gaunt tiger]

initial testing on expert rev dog is looking fine, I think the issue is his health pool on master ^^

[crude geode]

Are you still trying to make a sugg regarding master mode

@stable lynx your suggestion needs actual reasoning.

[gaunt tiger]

I don't see the issue with asking for an incredibly simple change, especially if the devs themselves don't actually care about master mode

[inner anvil]

What is your sugg about Master about? Because unless it's very good, there's a low chance we accept it, we don't want to touch that mode.

[gaunt tiger]

DoG needs a health nerf on master

[inner anvil]

Just that?

[crude geode]

Rover discussed it here.

[gaunt tiger]

yeah literally just make dog's health 2mil instead of 2.56mil

and a similar small nerf to the health of the cosmic guardians

that's all I think the fight needs, after "gitting gud" at it

[inner anvil]

Are we actually gonna' balance Master stats? Damn, I need to ask this, totally unaware.

[gaunt tiger]

I know this raises difficult questions, but I think the mode is actually very playable, despite what other people may think, that is my opinion

[crude geode]

As far as I’ve heard devs want to stay as far away from master mode as possible

[fossil finch]

ok im tired this is it
I am going back in time and telling red to not make master mode
I do not want to hear the word master ever again
It's not even about the sugg, or about the stat bloat
it's about teaching red to be conscious about his own design decisions for once erasing the term master mode from existence

i mean people don't really say mm is not "playable"

they just say it's bad stat bloat

[gaunt tiger]

oh, I quite enjoy the boss fights being longer

it makes the mod feel less like a boss rush and more like a raid in an mmo

[fossil finch]

well i mean calamity does have its own health multiplier for that

[gaunt tiger]

that's just me tho

but this way I get relics 😛

[fossil finch]

cheat them in (this is a constant battle of outsmarting until it ends up in something like "restructure the fabric of the universe"

[gaunt tiger]

byeah there's like maybe 2 (or 3 at a stretch) little tiny hp nerfs to bosses and I'd stop complaining about master

[crude geode]

Balancing another mode when we already have 5 difficulty modes (two of which get ignored 24/7 for being too easy and one trashed on for having the worst launch ever) would be pain

[gaunt tiger]

I will make the offer of becoming the sole Master Mode Pain Tester™️ and help out

[fossil finch]

(they do not chose testers like that boy i WISH they did

[crude geode]

@unique vector can we add “master mode balance suggs” to the don’t document

[pastel crow]

I think that if you want bosses to last longer, you can turn on the hp config in calamity. Master mode is extremely dumb and I wish it was never made, but for now the only changes we've made to it are reducing the normal enemy damage and health. master mode increases boss health and damage by the same multiple for every boss, if you expected anything else you are mistaken. I see no reason to attempt to balance mastermode unless we have a concrete idea for a complete rework.

[crude geode]

Or is that still under debate at devs

[gaunt tiger]

I've not posted any balance suggestions in suggestions posting

[fossil finch]

i'd ping rover for that but uh

[gaunt tiger]

or not any that I didn't delete within the hour

[crude geode]

Rover’s offline

[inner anvil]

Okay, I asked on the Dev Server, we are only balancing damage in Master Mode, the HP is staying as is.

If you think it's too long? Sorry, you're playing Master Mode.

[gaunt tiger]

naw, that's fine

[fossil finch]

do fabsol mandates exist that'd be pretty funny

[gaunt tiger]

a damage nerf also would do a lot to alleviate the problems with master dog

[inner anvil]

And I want to specify in eventually:

Eventually™️.

We have other plans, that's big bottom of priorities most probably.

[fossil finch]

eventually tm means not happening in 3 years because new biome content is more important
Same as like rav rework, signus rework, prof guardians rework, 583 boss resprites, possible darksun retier, 29057823785 weapon reworks and 98 more deletions (itll happen somewhere there

[gaunt tiger]

I really don't get the issue in suggesting something like this, it's a very small change

sure, the devs don't like master

fine

then if you're gonna allow the revengeance item to be used in master mode, can you not be so prickly when the less than 10 master mode players in the server talk about the mode?

[fossil finch]

theres no issue at all its just that even if you suggest it it won't be atended to in forever so there's no point

[gaunt tiger]

and I'm asking why

if they don't care, why not just do it and be done with it

[fossil finch]

(because they have other stuff to do or want to do making the small change easily forgotten and never done

[inner anvil]

I would love to say because we don't feel like it, but it's not only that, we eventually want Master Mode to be a mode for veterans of the game, yeah, veterans, so you gonna' need to deal with the HP, we'll need to tone down the damage most probably.

[gaunt tiger]

yeah the hp is fine if the damage is dropped, for sure

it's the combination of both that made dog feel so crushingly difficult

[inner anvil]

Okay, gonna' be honest, we actually increased the damage of some bosses in Master.

[gaunt tiger]

dog, astrum aureus, exomechs, storm weaver, ceaseless void, polterghast?

[fossil finch]

we means fabsol you aren't hiding anything

[inner anvil]

It's 4 letters less, ok?

[fossil finch]

(not to throw shade on him just saying

[gaunt tiger]

maybe scal too but that fight got gutted when it was retiered

so it doesn't feel hard lol

[fossil finch]

wdym gutted

(it was never retiered

[gaunt tiger]

oh fr?

maybe I'm just a gamer

[fossil finch]

(it has not been changed in any major way since like 1.4 (calamity

[inner anvil]

Mainly Pre-HM Vanilla bosses, is all I can say.

[gaunt tiger]

really?

[unique vector]

i dont haave access to it

ping rover 👍

[gaunt tiger]

pre-hm master rev was really really fun

[crude geode]

Wack

[gaunt tiger]

I had no problems

[fossil finch]

probably precisely because fabsol felt the numbers were too low to begin with or something

[crude geode]

@hollow shell can we add “master mode balance suggs” to the don’t document

[gaunt tiger]

can you tell me in dms? I promise not to share, I'm just curious

[inner anvil]

Big reminder! In Master Mode defense is 100% effective! Meaning that if you have 100 defense, it's actually 100 damage less!

[fossil finch]

anwyays can we talk about how i got a cookie clicker combo and got a hundred nonillion cookies and 4M ascension point

[crude geode]

No

[inner anvil]

So that's why we may increase some damage.

[crude geode]

Let’s talk about galeforce getting tested

[fossil finch]

(the damage rises are not a private thing don't worry)

[inner anvil]

Oops! I forgot! Too much Master Mode!

[unique vector]

collusion

[inner anvil]

I cannot tell you in DMs.
Because I don't know lmao.

[gaunt tiger]

fair lol

[inner anvil]

Anyways, enough Master Mode, the HP is probably staying as is, it's too much? Go tanky lmao, defense is better in Master Mode.

Anyways, I was asked to deal with Galeforce, I got too engaged in the conversation.

[unique vector]

@fierce sapphire exclaimed, i would rather not add more content poking fun at how people play the game 👍 plus your reasoning is extremely bare for persuading in why you want this to be added anyway

[fierce sapphire]

it was really a just-for-fun partial joke suggestion

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
Why

[swift wharf]

im on mobile what's the suggestion

[swift wharf]

well now I wish I didn't know

[fossil finch]

yeah that should be exclaimed

[inner anvil]

Okay, I tested Galeforce.
Status: It's balanced.

@ashen warren Sorry, tests say otherwise, the weapon is fine.

[sand ermine]

same case as the cirrus master mode dialogue suggestion, right?

or similar at least

[swift wharf]

one is a fuck you for not playing on the highest difficulty

the other is a fuck you for playing on the highest difficulty

[sand ermine]

[hollow shell]

@rugged vector @stable lynx What the fuck are you talking about

(ok fwoof's is more understandable but he misworded some things it looks like)
(Akaash is 🤨 )

@fierce sapphire You need to add a reason to your suggestion. (And probably explain what the current problem is too. I'm not sure what this intends to solve, is it mod compatibility or just "as hard as possible"?)

[gaunt tiger]

yo I'm back I did some testing

with a spreadsheet and everything

[hollow shell]

@runic wraith You should probably he a little bit more specific when you say "Draedon stuff". That term can apply to a lot of things

[crude geode]

Should probably exclaim the galeforce sugg seeing as it’s balanced via actual testers

[hollow shell]

Alright

[swift wharf]

I think the draedon stuff is the chargeable weapons

[proven vortex]

and also draedon power cells, for some reason they can't be researched

[swift wharf]

which is valid because they can break the game

[hollow shell]

Yes I assume that's what he's implying but he should say that

Also wdym

[swift wharf]

I remember merk saying something about them not being researchable because they could create problems

Wait I think it was with schematics

[proven vortex]

did he say anything about the weapons

[fossil finch]

hd

[proven vortex]

if the problem is schematic interactions, draedon power cells should be researchable since they don't have any such interactions, but idk if this is an oversight as the charging station and battery generators are both researchable

[swift wharf]

ig those two are fine

[small timber]

I will be honest with a slight tweak to make staying in tornado intended will make the fight much more interesting, as mechanically it should work

Like slightly larger gap between tornados, taller (to prevent escaping unless you try desperately); when stay inside tornado: make stormweaver cannot charge at a degree that is too slopped (so no charging from up/down), make storm weaver not charge at the player during the wind blast wall attack... And so on

[inner anvil]

We'll see, for that other devs and testers need to agree on that.

[gaunt tiger]

hey I've done some testing but I got a question, how much does community reduce the effect of dots?

cos without community godslayer inferno should deal 15x5=75 damage

[small timber]

I heard it is either 15 or 25%

I dont have concrete number, just I remember seeing it somewhere

[gaunt tiger]

kk

[gaunt tiger]

ok I did a fucking ton of math, and I was looking to discuss these as potential dog damage nerfs on master?

[small timber]

from my testing I think laser damage is fine, but head damage is like, you get hit by head once you die

[fossil finch]

non even non zero numbers

crying

[gaunt tiger]

I actually could be persuaded on laser damage, but if it wasn't getting changed I'd advocate for larger changes to body and fireball damage

wyt about the cosmic guardian numbers? to me they are very frustrating with how fast they move, I was never able to react to them flying at me from offscreen

[small timber]

cosmic guardian according to your chart will do about the same damage as laser so should be fine?

and the current version of cosmic guardian is not really something you get hit too often by now

[gaunt tiger]

I've got a huge table of combinations of hits and some data validation

and I'm trying to keep parity with revengeance's "hits to kill"

the numbers in that image do so

what would you do with laser damage?

I'll throw the numbers in and see what happens

[small timber]

I think laser walls dont need damage change in particular, the usual lasers are easy to dodge just because you only need to move in a general direction

the phase 2 big laser wall (the one that come in 2 waves) on the other hand need better telegraph, currently it just start too suddenly

[gaunt tiger]

I agree

[grim tusk]

Last time I heard about galeforce on 1.5.1.6 was it being opaf

[gaunt tiger]

if that was changed, I would definitely agree no changes to laser damage

[small timber]

the head damage definitely need to be toned down though, on the video I sent you I was using a very near full tank setup and I only get hit by head once and still almost died

[grim tusk]

On any mode harder than expert getting hit by the head is near death tbh

[gaunt tiger]

I think head should kill you yeah

that's the iconic pattern of the dog fight

[small timber]

ya, just particularly in comparison while the damage the player deal relative to boss kill time had not change much from DoG to Yharon, the player's defensive capability imploded after DoG

[gaunt tiger]

love it, hate it, it's dog

fr

[small timber]

you have core of the blood god halfing contact damage, rampart of deity providing deific amulet/charm of myth (massive HP recovery increase and large DR at low HP), sponge being sponge, asgardian aegis provide super huge amount of defense, dark sun ring providing generous amount of defense too...

[gaunt tiger]

I 4-shot yharon so I didn't really

find out about that tier lol

[crude geode]

Are we still on master mode dog

[gaunt tiger]

ok, I updated the chart to reflect your feedback, wyt

here's the chart comparing difficulties with the proposed changes

[small timber]

so basically my opinion is just ya head being lethal is fine, just the defensive gap between pre and post DoG may need to be improved in some way

currently your best option of large defense pre-DoG is like, affliction and absorber

[gaunt tiger]

yeah

what do you think about my chart lol

Fabsol as my witness I will not rest until Master DoG is nerfed

[crude geode]

Then be prepared for a lot of sleepless nights

[grim tusk]

Deific, bloodflare core, Spectral veil (stealth rogue only), Elysian aegis, community, Evolution, Astral arcanum, Eldritch soul artifact, Abyssal mirror (stealth rogue, spam can use to some extent)

Flesh totem, Blood pact, Leviathan ambergis, Frigid bulwark and the bee also exist but outclassed at this stage

[gaunt tiger]

aegis and community 100% mandatory on dog

unless you're some sort of wizard

[grim tusk]

Nah

Community competes badly with affliction and astral arcanum
Statis belt exists

[gaunt tiger]

the ability to dash through the boss whenever if you get circled was too good for me to pass up
and toning down godslayer inferno was also too good for me to pass up

[grim tusk]

Astral arcanum

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-discussion balancing Master Mode Calamity for the devs lmao

[small timber]

deific for me is more of a quick swap accessory (as there are better tank accessory at its job, especially for DoG where chain hit is not super likely even with lasers), I am still extremely mixed about bloodflare core, especially in master where I always feel (except DoG head), what kill you is always the 2nd hit after defense damage set in and bloodflare core make that worse, rogue only accessory I will not disclose for now (since well, class specific); community I definitely forgot, I usually use it

the rest is maybe I just very much hate dodge accessory so evolution I don't really use, I am surprise to head ESA is a defensive accessory

[grim tusk]

Also RIP Blazing core’s DR, you wont be missed

[gaunt tiger]

I think getting double hit should probably kill you

[small timber]

oh right ESA give whispering death immunity

[novel belfry]

Dodge accessories shouldn't have cooldowns THAT LONG
maybe make them at max 1 minutes, NOT 2 MINUTES

[gaunt tiger]

but getting hit, waiting out the defense damage, and getting hit again should probably not kill you

that's what my proposed changes aim for

[novel belfry]

I want them to be usable more often

[grim tusk]

You get free stealth refill with abyssal mirror+ among other bonuses. For shorter dodge with less benefits black belt line.
For shortest cooldown at the cost of chaos state learn Spectral veil

[novel belfry]

perhaps that can have the 2 minute cooldown

[small timber]

astral arcanum I am also incredibly mixed, since it helps with recovery but doesn't really help with damage prevention especially short term

(oh right blazing core is still 10% DR?)

[gaunt tiger]

arcanum is outclassed by community in my eyes

[novel belfry]

but the STASIS BELT OF SHADOWS!?

[gaunt tiger]

community is really good

[novel belfry]

that's just a bit much

[grim tusk]

It gives none

[novel belfry]

dodge accessories should be useful a lil more often aside from the rogue ones

[grim tusk]

That one is 90 secs iirc, but statis also gives fat mobility and dash

Maybe mobility boosts could get fatter

[novel belfry]

problem is, the aegis line exists

it basically has a slightly worse dodge ability, and ya can just dash with it

[gaunt tiger]

hey storm, be real with me
there's no point suggesting these dog nerfs, is there
it'll never get enough votes

[grim tusk]

Nerf Aegis line and/or buff statis belt and void sash to give fatter movement boosts

[grim tusk]

Yep

[gaunt tiger]

man that's such shit

[grim tusk]

You could try

Theres always the change to be wrong

However

[gaunt tiger]

I could but the feedback I'd get would be "it's a slippery slope we're not balancing master"

[grim tusk]

The problem is that exact values are no

[small timber]

for aegis my personal main approach will still be move away its debuff immunity, make ankh shield its own upgrade line or something similar

[grim tusk]

And yes master balance

[small timber]

I used to suggest starting post-ML ninja belt should give some flight time but since soaring insignia exist now it is not really a huge buff

[gaunt tiger]

I was getting exact values because I thought it'd make them more likely to do it
since then they don't need to do any of the work of finding the numbers themselves

[grim tusk]

Just make belts give acceleration

[small timber]

(give post-ML ninja belt magiluminesence effect)

that might actually do it

(but ya, in the context if aegis line lose debuff immunity)

[gaunt tiger]

I understand it, but at the same time, I feel like it's still the devs' responsibility to make sure master isn't totally awful

[crude geode]

It isn’t tho?

[gaunt tiger]

and largely, they did a great job!

[small timber]

since the current situation for aegis line is just it is way too convenient, knockback immune on the item is fine as it is needed for the item to work, debuff immunity is a big extra that is just slapped on

[gaunt tiger]

but dog ❎

[swift wharf]

Didn't they nerf master enemy damage

[gaunt tiger]

they did ^^

and largely it was really great

[swift wharf]

[gaunt tiger]

just not dog lol

[crude geode]

Yes and slippery slope is already taking effect from just that

[gaunt tiger]

ok? but even if they hadn't done that, I'd still be saying that it is their responsibility to make sure it's not awful to play

clearly, they agree, or they wouldn't have nerfed master damage

[crude geode]

Cal’s job isn’t to fix every single vanilla thing. If it happens, great. If it doesn’t, that’s also fine, there’s bigger priorities.

[gaunt tiger]

yeah that's why I did the math myself

so that all implementing it would take is changing a few numbers

[unique vector]

we found a new stat frog

[gaunt tiger]

ribbit?

🐸

[unique vector]

ribbit.

enjoy hell.

[gaunt tiger]

thanks

[novel belfry]

you must now change your pfp to a frog

for this server at least

[stable lynx]

Like for ppl who port their already built bases into 2.0 it kinda annoying to deal with setting em up spread across the world, ive added this as a reason(srry for the ping)

[gaunt tiger]

what is a stat frog? 😅

[novel belfry]

i think its a fellow who does ALL the statistics and how to apply them

[gaunt tiger]

I don't wanna be a frog ; - ;

but I do like stats lol

[novel belfry]

then you will be the stat cat

[gaunt tiger]

I like that more XD

[novel belfry]

(or whatever your pfp is supposed to be)

it even rhymes

[gaunt tiger]

a Miqo from FFXIV

[novel belfry]

then you are a cat

[gaunt tiger]

it does, it's tru!

[hollow shell]

You don't need to call it a "mind control device"
You can ask for any means to trivialize the happiness mechanic after Moon Lord

But also, why does that matter, really? What are you buying at that point such that the elevated prices are a problem?

[unique vector]

it is a term to describe ppl who dive insanely into stats for aa game or franchise/topic

usually used for reddit users but its cute so i use it outside of reddit

😇

[small timber]

the only one that even has a close to 'high price' is bandit

[gaunt tiger]

ah, fair enough
it is cute tho yeah!

[unique vector]

oh you're a miqote

[distant gyro]

ribbit

[unique vector]

you dont deserve rights

[gaunt tiger]

I'd go bun but I like hats too much

[hollow shell]

And also this is a very temporary problem, only applying for this brief period of time where people are (unwisely) continuing their 1.3 playthroughs into 1.4

[unique vector]

does the bunny race not able to wear hats?

[gaunt tiger]

nope lol, the ears are too big so they just don't show up on 90% of head items

[stable lynx]

Overloaders and bosses to eventually test out platinum coin gun ik its dumb and ridiculous but stupid is fun

Until its worse then a mega shark

[hollow shell]

What
What is an "overloader"

[unique vector]

LOL thats funny

[small timber]

coin gun had always been that way just because platinum gun is near impossible to sustain on normal playthrough, especially around the time where it is most effective

[novel belfry]

you should probably NOT dive too much into names

[stable lynx]

Oh well

[small timber]

they either have to just gut it to the ground or keep it as it is because of the stupid cost

[stable lynx]

Its from fargos mod

[hollow shell]

Oh.

[gaunt tiger]

I guess it would be kinda weird to see a chart like that in the suggestions channel lol but I figure that I'd try my hand at it

[stable lynx]

Costing 40gold a pop

[gaunt tiger]

ikr all the bnuuy players are salty

[novel belfry]

hrothgar, the even more cat like race in the game, have it even worse, by virtue of their head being a big cat
and most ffxiv helmets are designed for humans not big cats

therefore

[stable lynx]

And a summons that are consumable which are used in the recipe

[hollow shell]

(pixl and velvet take your FURRY convo somewhere else) >:(

[novel belfry]

#general-media <----

[gaunt tiger]

we're finished we're finished!

[small timber]

how did it turn from frogs to furry

[fossil finch]

Rover wilding

[gaunt tiger]

I have an actual suggestion in I swear I'm here for that

[hollow shell]

Alright yeah I do remember that Fargo feature

[stable lynx]

Yea the one that summons 10 bosses at once

[swift wharf]

rover is perplexed at the concept of poor ppl after ML

[gaunt tiger]

overload queen bee lol

[fossil finch]

You know what fargo also features

[stable lynx]

Ive done like 800 EoCs

[gaunt tiger]

shower of money

[small timber]

fargo also have item that increase gold gain no?

[fossil finch]

3 npcs that love being with eachother and love space

[stable lynx]

No?

[fossil finch]

And you, casually, buy overloaders from one of those 3

[unique vector]

🖕

[stable lynx]

Theres an item from it but not sure its from fargo

[unique vector]

maybe if you PLAYED more you'd understand what we're talking about

smh............

[hollow shell]

Specifically poor people after Moon Lord (what are you buying) who have also started their playthroughs prior to 1.4

[swift wharf]

something something minorities

[gaunt tiger]

maybe candles

[unique vector]

ive not seen hrothgaar ppl yet so im excited lol

[gaunt tiger]

Bozja

[novel belfry]

Take this ffxiv talk out of #suggestions-discussion and into #general-media please

this is for calamity suggestions, not ffxiv

[fossil finch]

(You are saying to the mod)

[novel belfry]

just saying before rover completely fuckin loses it

[fossil finch]

(And developer

[novel belfry]

oh

[gaunt tiger]

lole

[novel belfry]

i forgo

[fossil finch]

Minimodding failure

[hollow shell]

He ain't wrong tho

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/sipderman-fast-gif-26041657

[unique vector]

among us

[gaunt tiger]

end mod on mod violence

[crude geode]

Based.

Anyways uh I love statisticians

[unique vector]

stats hurt my brain

if i was ever making a game that required balancing id need an entire separate person to do math for me

[gaunt tiger]

the mathematical field of stats makes me want to rope, but breaking down numbers in a game is fun

[swift wharf]

just nerf dog's health overall so it's not a master nerf

[gaunt tiger]

but it's fine in rev

[swift wharf]

[gaunt tiger]

I went and tried the other modes before posting a suggestion

[crude geode]

I can’t wait for this to get like 30 stars

[gaunt tiger]

we get it, you don't like master mode

[fossil finch]

It's a dog nerf sugg don't worry people hate dog it'll survive

[small timber]

DoG's HP is definitely fine, killed it on ~5:00 on a not really great weapon on a defensive setup with no rippers

[gaunt tiger]

agree

the fight length on master is perfect

[fossil finch]

They won't even read the sugg they'll just see dog and nerf in the same sentence and go "sure"

[gaunt tiger]

if the damage was only lower

[crude geode]

Is it popular to hate dog for being too easy or too hard rn

I can never remember

[gaunt tiger]

I pray to god this is true

[fossil finch]

Both

Like always

It's always been both

[crude geode]

True

[fossil finch]

Even in the rust and dust era it was both

[crude geode]

Even when it was purple destroyer it was prolly both

[gaunt tiger]

passionate about balance changes

well, my post didn't get ❗ or clamped, so that's good

[drowsy plank]

but it will die in voting! just like every other reasonable request for a boss nerf, weapon buff/nerf (which is now a dont), etc.

maybe a dev will at least take it into consideration with how much chat space this convo has been taking up

[gaunt tiger]

the devs are very busy, and they just pushed out a huge fuckn update

[crude geode]

I have utterly no clue how easy/hard it will be for a sugg to get to dev in these batches tbfh

It’ll be a fun ride to see the next round of suggs to go to dev tho