suggestions-discussion

[soft quest]

honestly i thought they stopped numbers up after centillion, with the exception of a few special mega numbers like googel-plex

..idk who "they" would be

[candid dove]

That would be mathematicians

There are larger ones, though

Skewes' number, Moser's number, and Graham's number

[soft quest]

i cant find anything chronologically after centillion

i guess it would just be uncentillion

[candid dove]

Yeap

[soft quest]

"In terms of another way of naming a big number, 1 centillion is 10^303, but is the biggest number other than googolplex that has been given a name to. There is an infinite amount of numbers after 1 centillion... Originally Answered: What is after 1 centillion?"

[soft quest]

wait that doesnt seem like a trusty source

[candid dove]

Uncentillion, ducentillion, trecentillion, quadringentillion, quingentillion, sescentillion, septingentillion, octingentillion, nongentillion

Then comes millinillion

And the cycle repeats till googolplex, and then some other large named numbers

Anyways, this is suggestion discussion, so enough about maths and numbers

[umbral sonnet]

nope

https://minershaven.fandom.com/wiki/Cash_Suffixes#:~:text=List of Cash Suffixes %23,Trillionaire badge ... 31 more rows ?adlt=strict&toWww=1&redig=E2C612501CCE4526A43C77958098BB5B

this may just be agame

but these suffixes

are the most commonly accepted

[candid dove]

[umbral sonnet]

oh wait

nvm

[candid dove]

That page literally goes up to uncentillion, lmao

[umbral sonnet]

u were talking bout after centillions

oops

sorry

[candid dove]

Use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_large_numbers instead

[night jolt]

The virgin big numbers vs the chad infinity

[candid dove]

Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_numbers

Anyways, as said above, suggestion discussion, back on topic now 👍

[umbral sonnet]

oops

sorry

[true inlet]

@oak drum mr obvious

[deft yew]

There will be calamity whips

Simply wait

[soft quest]

Ughhhhhhhhh

[deft yew]

daily dylanguy whip hate post

:taxeva

[soft quest]

I would be fine with whips if they did no damage, benefited from no melee modifiers, were mild speed, and only gave summon tag damage or abilities

[soft quest]

You already know

As of right now whips are so significant in damage output (like 50% or more of a summoners output) that it feels like I’m just playing a melee subclass with minions tossed in

[night jolt]

"I would like whips if they were almost completely useless"

[soft quest]

yep

[night jolt]

Bruh, whips aren't OP, its just that you never have a reason to unequip Obsidian armor

[ruby plover]

oh god the whip talk continues

[night jolt]

Of course they're significant, 1.3 summoner was completely unviable and its whips that fixed that

[deft yew]

the DylanGuy continues*

[pure bluff]

whip haters: omgg whips are too oppp!!1!1!1 😡😡😡🤬🤬
me: struggling more than any other class in my entire life to make progression in my summoner playthrough

[soft quest]

im not saying summoner didnt need a boost

[ruby plover]

whips have way too much potential for damage, i think thats the main thing

whip stacking, obsidian armour, melee speed

[pure bluff]

very low defense, close range

[ruby plover]

and then your summons are just kinda... there

[pure bluff]

its high risk high reward

i dont get why it uses melee speed tho lmao

[night jolt]

OK, benefitting from Melee speed boosts is dumb, but whip stacking and obsidian armor are fine imo because whip stacking is hard and Obsidian Outlaw is made of paper

[deft yew]

i hate feral claws i hate feral claws i hate feral cla

[soft quest]

its not that they're op its that they are literally melee weapons; terraria's biggest fault i feel is that the classes feel too similar. guess what? lets slap a fucking melee weapon on summoner. fucke mage swords, fuck mage guns, fuck thrower melee

[ruby plover]

whip stacking isnt hard, you just need to spam shift weapons

[soft quest]

in an ideal world all the classes feel truly unique

[ruby plover]

lmao

[pure bluff]

if you feel like whips are melee weapons may i redirect you to weapon from calamity itself being the Briny Baron, in which the right click attack doesn't even have a sword swinging and is just shooting a projectile

[night jolt]

Omniwield is officially gonna be cheating in 1.4

[ruby plover]

and obsidian armour takes "glass cannon" too far

when its viable endgame

[deft yew]

glass cannon more like uh

[soft quest]

fuck summoner mage weapons

[night jolt]

Obsidian Armor is the Terraria equivalent of Deoxys Attack

[deft yew]

paper railgun

[pure bluff]

yeah obsidian armor needs a nerf

[deft yew]

that's it

[soft quest]

In a game where the classes are ranger – ranger with resource cost – ranger with high defense and no resource cost, it was refreshing to get a style of gameplay that truly felt unique from the bunch. But now it just feels like summoner fell into that same pitfall of sameness.

[ruby plover]

an armour than benefits whips is cool! im glad they added it

but its MUCH too good

[deft yew]

isn't tiki gonna get some whip effects or smth

i heard something about a tiki buff

idk

[night jolt]

I think its cool that a pre hardmode armor is viable up until endgame, I feel like the total lack of defense is a fine balancing tactic

[soft quest]

if you got rid of all the melee stats on a whip, then and only then it starts to be something that isnt a melee weapon

but even then it just feels strange

[ruby plover]

NOPE

lolllll

lack of defense isnt too good a balancing tactic

[night jolt]

OK hear me out

[pure bluff]

no its needs a nerf

[night jolt]

Obsidian armor being so min maxed is a cool way to train you for nohitting imo

[pure bluff]

and there needs to be more stuff that buffs whips than a single armor set

[ruby plover]

all in all you are fighting a losing battle cos there's no way calamity isn't gonna nerf obsidian armour

[crude barn]

game shouldn't be balanced around nohitting

[deft yew]

what

[crude barn]

lol

[deft yew]

this is the dumbest thing i've heard in a long time

[pure bluff]

^^^

[deft yew]

[ruby plover]

this is kinda cringe ngl

[pure bluff]

im crin ge

ok i'll leave

[deft yew]

it SHOULD be balanced around nohitting in the simple sense that bosses should be possible (and by extension not infuriating) to nohit

but that's it

[night jolt]

Yeahy, but we both know what he really means

[ruby plover]

bosses shouldnt have impossible to avoid attacks, thats about the extent it should go to

[pure bluff]

based

[deft yew]

telefrags when they

oh and stunlocks when they

[ruby plover]

yea they

[pure bluff]

brain of cthulu when it

imo personally i think vanilla brain of cthulu is kind of a bland fight and has wasted potential

[night jolt]

Empress of Light when 🌞

[pure bluff]

its always either extremely easy and boring or its insanely difficult

no inbetween

[crude barn]

vanilla BoC is basically "we need to make this boss require piercing somehow"

which is stupid

[deft yew]

i still hate eow

[crude barn]

oh don't even fucking get me started on MMFTW BoC

[deft yew]

but only because it's pure unadulterated chaos

[crude barn]

dumpster fire

[deft yew]

the gimmick is good

[pure bluff]

infernum got brain of cthulu fight right

[ruby plover]

malice eow is

its head takes about 1 damage from all attacks

[deft yew]

ooh i HATED my eow nohit

[night jolt]

BoC is piss easy with Minishark, I mean so is every boss before Skeletron, but you get what I mean

[deft yew]

you kill the head and it instantly accelerates turned towards you

[ruby plover]

that's a minishark problem, not a boss problem

[deft yew]

true true

[pure bluff]

we should probably take this talk to another channel cus im not sure if it's related to suggestions anymore

[deft yew]

the suggestion was add calamity whips

this is simply how conversation works

:taxev

[crude barn]

alright

[pure bluff]

we're on poor vanilla boss design now

[crude barn]

I suggest you use this for your pfp

[night jolt]

Wow, its almost as if in porting to an entirely new update with new content, they are going to do that when they get to it

[ruby plover]

EUGH

im saving that though

[pure bluff]

Pog

[deft yew]

takes it to #calamity-update-talk
dies of death

oh cool highlighted links can be formatted

[night jolt]

I just hope the 1.4 whips are made of more than just bars, cause if theres anything Calamity doesn't need, its more of a need to go digging

[soft quest]

I know im talking to a brick wall, but if youve ever played fell in love with healer classes in a game then you would know my sentiment towards 1.3 summoner. Something is just so fucking satisfying about killing a boss through your sheer endurance, your life is in their hands, and coming out on top is such a good ego boost "lmao you died to someone without a gun!". I like the support focus of whips but that could have been executed x20 times better imo.

I feel like the bad defense and mediocre damage on 1.3 summoner defined him as this dodged based class, i think it could have been worked around this and reward the player for dodging or being at a place at a certain time. Thorium's buff banners, the brim seeker summon circle, and old gamma hydra were all examples of this. summoner was my favorite class but somehow he's become my least favorite. I just... dont like whips.....

[crude geode]

#calamity-update-talk

[pure bluff]

its a sandbox game you dont have to actually use the whips

[crude geode]

this is for suggestions, not about whips

[deft yew]

:donot:

[night jolt]

"Oh you think the class is too powerful now? Just play it unviably!"

[crude geode]

I realize there's a whip sugg in posting but this is not the place to discuss whips

[true inlet]

Every single hm summoner armor:

[warped tide]

Sheer Endurence is only fun when im right in theyre face and shredding them

[small timber]

Since it will be turn into whip talk again I will try to keep it short, the thing with Calamity (nerfing) whips is that the context of Calamity summoner and vanilla summoner is always missed:

Vanilla summoner is downright bad before whips, they needed whips which is overpowered to boost the classs to good/on-par level. Whips is fine in vanilla.

Calamity summoner is good, or even one of the best class at many point of the game. Adding whips without any change will make them beyond overpowered due to slapping an overpowered tool on a great class. Whips need nerf in Calamity

It is not that "they want whip useless", it is just calamity had been balancing around no whips summoner for so long that balance is already establised

[muted osprey]

tl;dr vanilla summoner bad without whips, cal summoner already good without whips, hence cal summoner + whips = too powerful

[grim tusk]

Whips should have been made less op and minions less shit tbh

x2.75 dmg mult from firecracker

Whip melee speed (even non stacking)

Making summons crit

[crude geode]

Vanilla tends to have this problem of just. having bad balancing.

[grim tusk]

^

[crude geode]

If I hear about whips one more time though I am probably gonna implode

[small timber]

Ya that is just how vanilla handles that so not much calamity can do (not like calamity can buff "vanilla" minions without making it Calamity summoner)

[fringe notch]

Please do not suggest them there, we don't need "whips are bad/no they're not" arguments again

[crude geode]

Nobody does lol, but it is the general talking channel for 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

do it

[fleet igloo]

hmm yes now that I've finally gotten to Old Duke but haven't tried the fight yet it's time to come up with more stupid ideas for it

What about making bloodworms not living creatures and making the new bait drop from T3 acid rain

[frail mantle]

Why

[fleet igloo]

Makes them easier to find?

Also if they're no longer creatures then them dropping can be explained

[frail mantle]

Make bloodworms more common

Don’t need to add a whole new item for summoning him if the current item’s rarity is the issue

[fleet igloo]

There's still the problem of T3 not offering much in terms of items

[frail mantle]

Then that’s a separate issue

One I think the devs are aware of, though I’m not certain if they have plans to fix that or what they are if they do

[fleet igloo]

Ah

People have suggested making bloodworms more common already, I don't think I need to post it

Last we've seen is from some time ago though

Most recent suggs of this type were by me, which didn't get in (though they more specifically mentioned making them drop during acid rain)

Also I was partly thinking "why does this super powerful fish get summoned with a perfectly normal worm, even normal Fishron requires something exotic"

[frozen hornet]

It's a bloody worm

And I'm not british

[eternal escarp]

is a blood worm living in the caustic ocean perfectly normal?

[frozen hornet]

Blood worms aren't common irl anyways

[fleet igloo]

According to the wiki, yes

[frozen hornet]

Source: I've never seen it therefore it doesn't exist

[sand umbra]

I feel like the better question to be askin' here would be

"why does OD like bloodworms specifically"

[frozen hornet]

mm hemoglobin

[eternal escarp]

i mean, its a worm that makes sense to exist in that region, and nods to DFish spawn

[fleet igloo]

I should probably go ahead and post the "make the worms more common" sugg, last one that got in was a long time ago

[eternal escarp]

i think thats all there is to it

[sand umbra]

for normal Duke, it makes sense for Truffle Worms to be what they are, given the Duke's fish-and-pig-like nature

[eternal escarp]

maybe OD is simply starving

[sand umbra]

doubtful

it's not like there's any real lack of other food about, even if the place is polluted to Hell and back

[frail mantle]

I don’t think there’s a specific reason beyond the Fishron truffle worm thing

[sand umbra]

hell, you can fight a much larger worm, which the Old Duke would almost certainly absoluitely body in a fight for dominance, as an early Hardmode boss

[sand umbra]

all things considered? there honestly probably isn't

I just like to know the logic behind this stuff. I like to know more about why the world works the way it does

I wanna know more about the ecosystem of the Sulphurous Sea, damnit

[frail mantle]

Unfortunately this isn’t monster hunter where everything done by every animal has a biological explanation

[sand umbra]

cringe

[fleet igloo]

So the idea here is a general "make OD summons easier to get", and list out the possible ways to do it in the text

brb gonna procrastinate writing the sugg for a week or so

[small timber]

what if make bloodworm (in some way) more common during blood moon?

it is a bit far fetch but ya

[fleet igloo]

Part of me wants to have the sulphur vortex with the fishing summon

Meanwhile I think I'll just cheat the bloodworms in for now

[gusty geyser]

Why ravager is mush easier than golem in malice mode?

[drowsy plank]

why is brain harder than provi? malice isnt really well balanced between individual bosses yet, some gain massive changes, while others barely change at all. you'll just have to wait til they rebalance them in the future

plus difficulty is subjective, but im going to assume rav just got less changes

[pure bluff]

brain is just jank in general

[drowsy plank]

true

[gusty geyser]

We just killed rav earlier and can gain life alloy

[drowsy plank]

we

[gusty geyser]

Me and friends

[drowsy plank]

yeah i know, golem forces you to fight him in his box, but rav can be fought on surface, which makes his fight exponentially easier in MP where people can easily keep distance while some else handles dodging

[gusty geyser]

Rav must be buffed

[drowsy plank]

no, you're just using multiplayer

[fleet igloo]

I tried using some candles but they're not really spawning, am I waiting in the wrong spot

Is there a set depth they spawn in or

[drowsy plank]

is it possibly to make a bloodworm farm like truffle worm farms where you just make rows of artificial sulph sea

never actually tried but not sure how bloodworm spawn conditions work

[fleet igloo]

Is it something like solid block + underwater

My spot is pretty shallow but it may still count

I'll try I guess

But I think I'll leave the sugg up for now unless there's a really huge problem with it

[pure bluff]

i never found them in shallow water, always in the caverns below the surface but above the abyss

[fleet igloo]

Cool I'll try it

[small timber]

several things:

1. ya malice is not really balanced right now, and the devs know it
2. difficulty is subjective (these 2 people above tell you alraedy)
3. calamity is not balanced aroung multiplayer really, some hard boss can be super easy in multiplayer and vice versa
4. calamity encourage tier skipping/non-linear progression, that is why you are even able to fight ravager before golem in the first place, if you can kill the later boss before an earlier one just consider it as a reward

[drowsy plank]

her brothers are still dead

like she's using necromancy

just saying

[round ravine]

Oh.

I never thought of that.

[drowsy plank]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[round ravine]

Wait, how did her brothers die in the first place?

[frozen hornet]

killed by people

[distant gyro]

it's like the introductory part of cal's lore

that her parents and siblings died and she wants to revive them

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[unique vector]

@spare harbor pls dont suggest anything for 1.4 yet

[spare harbor]

Ok lol

Sorry

[crude geode]

it's chill

[unique vector]

the mod isnt even ported yet withhold anything related to 1.4 until a few weeks after our port is public

no worries!

[drowsy plank]

kinda SiS too, right?

[half sage]

yea

also something that'd fit more into calval imo

[ashen warren]

and formatting error lol

[hollow shell]

@mystic shell There is a mod known as Calamity Vanities which already adds this

(or uh "Calamity's Vanities" actually)

[mystic shell]

I never knew they had a eidolon wyrm but my mistake sorry

I might come up with a better idea

[soft quest]

I may have asked this before but how bout a music VC and a music channel to just vibe with other people while listening to music? necessary? no. Good idea? i think so. I like to see what other people's taste in music is and I think that a music channel would be really good way of sharing and talking about music. Freadboat's a pretty good music bot, and i think the official terraria uses wizard bot which is a custom music bot

[crude geode]

you can send that to the modmail bot if you want

server suggs are put there

[soft quest]

didn't know that

well ill do it later when i form a better argument because right now im tired and not great at making points

[hollow shell]

Wise decision

[muted osprey]

haha guys it would be funny if i suggested to change the text after killing DS to "the hot wind is blowing" instead it would be haha funny mgrr reference

[ruby plover]

make sure to remember say that it would be cool

[sleek turret]

it would be hot*

[novel belfry]

that... is actually funny, I do want to make a funny ref that might just blow over a new player's head

In fact, go ahead

[hollow shell]

Overdone no

[frail mantle]

dreaded mgr brainrot

though at least this one wouldn't be quite as obvious as it'd be if yharim says "it has to be this way" during the fight or something

[lusty raft]

New Town NPC's Cook and Martian

[sand ermine]

New Town NPC's Cook and Martian

[short walrus]

1. too specific
2. why
3. formatting error

[sand ermine]

but seriously, everything is wrong about your suggestion

[sand ermine]

[short walrus]

@lusty raft

Just so you see it

(read the don'ts doc)

[sand ermine]

yes

[oblique talon]

I barely type here but I agree with the statement

[ashen warren]

SIS moment

[thin hill]

This suggestion is a bruh

[small timber]

Tbh a cook might not be the worst idea with 3 well fed buff and like 10k different food post 1.4 port but ya, too specific

[thin hill]

Is there a mod with an NPC that specifically just sell food tho

[hollow shell]

Obligatory Thorium mod mention

Has a chef NPC

[cerulean trench]

trollium mod

[fossil finch]

no

[hollow shell]

Hrm

[thin hill]

Ah

[cerulean trench]

i forgot what rule is it

[hollow shell]

Awkward suggestion

Dunno how best to deal with it

[small timber]

I remember a suggestion to give aew more drop get denied, which is already less specific ya

(I mean why does it have to be aew)

[cerulean trench]

yeah, thats fair

[cerulean trench]

bc 1. it has no purpose except for rangers atm
and 2. theres already a weapon with that theme

[hollow shell]

I'll at least say
"it would make AEW more worthwhile for other classes."
AEW isn't meant to be killed in the first place, it's an optional extra challenge

It may as well drop nothing, like the Boss Rush

[cerulean trench]

i see

maybe i can change it to just add more items across progression

changed it

[ashen warren]

honestly i dig the idea

[true inlet]

AEW should drop a pile of dirt

[night jolt]

So, 2 specific item suggestions, and 1 for something already in the mod

Like, if you're that desperate for potions, just use AlchemistNPC lol

[spring sail]

Just for consistency

[small timber]

that will be a weird case of consistency, considering most calamity potion are either progression locked or are combination potion

it will be very weird to find like yharim's stimulant in a golden chest, and if you are really desperate for potion just use alchemistnpc ya

because as of currently the potion making is really not grindy, you can easily get everything you want, the only hard one is like, soaring, shadow and revivify
even stuff like cadence and yharim stimulant is easy to make with npc selling vanilla potions

jump one takes meta knowledge ya, it is a weird one, basically to farm frog you put 2-3 NPC in housing near jungle

then pop a zerg and battle potion then only frogs will spawn, because npc (town) prevent hostile mob from spawning

[spring sail]

Bounding generates in jungle, tesla in sunken sea lab, shadow in shadow chests would be convenient

[small timber]

it already work right now tbh, 1.4 probably will make it slightly harder, since more non-frog critters in jungle

[small timber]

I mean even if that is the case that will be like, super low amount

it is not easy to just find lots of biome lab just randomly, and if you mean the LARGE biome lab it become a 1 time thing

I manually do it to farm frogs, but ya

[spring sail]

how do i make texts black though

[small timber]

wait what do you mean by black?

like, black colour?

[spring sail]

like what the others who post in suggestions do to the title

[distant gyro]

**text**

[spring sail]

Thanks! It worked

[small timber]

if you still want the idea to go through at least do acknowledge NPC sells vanilla potion ya

(since otherwise it will just be others to tell you to include it in your suggestion)

[spring sail]

Yeah I know that, making NPCs also sell calamity potions would work too

[small timber]

making NPC sell calamity potion by default (no other mod like luiafk, alchemistnpc etc) will completely invalidate and devalue actually farming the potions
it will also just end up being a situation where "just farm bosses for everything" since boss summon are unconsumable

and ya, for that blood orb already exist

[soft quest]

If actual potion making were to become viable, each potion would need 5 uses before being empty, plants would have to give more, and fishing would have to actually become fun and more rewarding

[small timber]

I mean 5 uses before being empty will just be the equivalent for like, making 5 potions per materials

(which some of them already do), and yharim stimulant and cadence are all made from vanilla potions which you can just purchase

the only one that I see are way too limited are like bounding potion (frogs + vine which is super hard to get unless meta knowledge), soaring (sunken sea rare fish), shadow (lava fishing rare fish), revivify (sunken sea rare fish again), and even in that case revivify and bounding are 5 and 3 potions per material

[soft quest]

Yeah but think about how fast you burn through potions, even with alch NPC badges I use around 300+ for each unique potion in a plythrough

[small timber]

I mean that is why you make the potion instead of buying them

because making (except those involve fishing which only become cheap after plantera, then after golem) is much cheaper than buying

[soft quest]

That’s why you buy them instead of making them

Making 300 of any potion isn’t easy

Why bother doing that when you can just kill king slime 5 times over

[small timber]

it is actually way easier than you think tbh, unless it is like, regeneration potion which requires mushroom

[soft quest]

And buy them

[small timber]

ya that is why alchemistnpc exist, just I don't think calamity should make potion buying default

for external mods that the player can choose to install it is completely fine, just calamity itself should not completely invalidate all effort of farming and making the potion and just make farming money the solution

[soft quest]

Yea I agree

I think that farming should just be much more bearable

Or Maybe it’s just me that hates making potions

But going over the entire world in an angler costume so I can make another batch of 30 potions is mildly annoying

[small timber]

ye, right now herbs is mostly not a problem (you can just put planter box for 100 of each + space planetoid, maybe make staff of regrowth easier to obtain thats about it) it is that good fishing rod are available way too late

[soft quest]

Pylons will definitely improve this

[small timber]

the (feasible) fishing rod to sustain potion material right now is rift reeler which is post golem

[soft quest]

I wish fishing as a whole was reworked

Make it more entertaining and intuitive

[small timber]

though I don't think calamity will specifically rework a mechanic like it, just hope vanilla 1.4.4 do improve on it

but ya

the best calamity can do is just make fishing easier, eg: better fishing accessory, fishing rod etc (which desert scourge etc fishing kit do help, just not completely solved)

[soft quest]

If you’ve ever played stardew valley you’d know that fishing is almost like a mini game where you have to keep the rod steady. Something as simple as that goes a long way. Also I’d like it if you could change your hook or bait to catch certain things with higher chance

Like put a magnet on the line and catch junk and crates more often

Maybe use herbs as bait and catch potion fish more

Upgrade magnet to make it catch biome crates a lot more often

(Really though biome crates are rarer than gold crates and usually contain essential items)

[small timber]

ye stardew valley fishing is good for surprisingly simple it is I did sink 464 hours in it with most of it fishing, though sadly I dont think calamity will really rework a mechanic like that, due to "vanilla altering" rule

(which at least recently do seem to loose off abit with stuff like hardmode ore rework)

[soft quest]

Maybe nets and crab cages could be a thing like in RuneScape, each different way of catching yields different fish

Nets yield lots of common fish at once, crab cages passively catch and hold up to 20 fishes and a quest fish

Idk, anything to make fishing more dynamic would be welcome

[drowsy plank]

really got some of the suggestions ever this week

but i think fishing minigames or more interesting mechanics would be nice

[soft quest]

sometimes i wish i could code

[small timber]

although I do remember something something stardew valley fishing mod do actually exist

[round ravine]

Sorry about that. They've been added.

Also, I haven't been paying attention to the killtimes, so I just wrote down "in about a few minutes".

[eternal escarp]

killtimes are the most important part of a "nerf / buff" sugg

[pure bluff]

download nycros nohit efficiency and do them again

[small timber]

ya "a few minutes" ranged from 1 minute to 9 minutes, maybe more

[pure bluff]

nycros displays killtimes in chat

when the boss dies

[small timber]

wait is nycro mod available on tmodloader?

[round ravine]

Do I have to nohit them, though? Because I suck at dodging projectiles.

[small timber]

no the nohit function is completely optional, you can turn it on and off

[round ravine]

Okay, good.

[small timber]

in this case you are just using it for the dps

[pure bluff]

why wouldnt it be

i got it off the mod browser

[small timber]

oh ok, it is the other one that is not on mod browser

like nohitqol+ or something

[round ravine]

This one's for Skeletron Prime.

This one's for the Destoryer.

[grim tusk]

What gear are you using? Potions? Reforges?

[round ravine]

Also, here's the Twins.

Plus, I was using Mythical for my Frost Staff, Cloaked for Asgard's Valor, Jagged for the Angel Treads, Camoflauged for the Celestial Emblem and Angry for the Master Ninja Gear. The Sorcerer Emblem and Mana Flower don't have any reforges.

[small timber]

if you have the time can you try to compile it into like, a word file or whatever (notepad will do)? although alchemistnpc combination are abit inaccurate (and post-Plant gear on mechs) but I think you do prove your point so it is fine (and since master ninja gear don't stack with asgard's valor so you technically are only using 6 accessory)

and ya put that into your suggestion it will help

[grim tusk]

Yea no wonder why you’re melting stuff

Not only you’re using other mods that alter balance, using Post-Cal/Plant gear on mechs, and the armor being brimflame which has the frenzy ability

Also valor and Master ninja gear on the same build 🤨

Also you have to keep in mind frost staff is also not easy to get

You also used rippers im assuming, and we dont balance around those

Furthermore the results would have to get posted in the sugg and even then those are flawed

[round ravine]

What are rippers?

[grim tusk]

Rage and Adrenaline

[round ravine]

Oh.

So should I delete my suggestion?

[small timber]

although just to be sure, are you using the brimflame frenzy (brimflame armor) ability?

[round ravine]

Nope.

[grim tusk]

Probably, but i’ll prob note it for a weapon to be revisited in balance patch

[pure bluff]

use pre-mech gear for the mech boss kill times and probably dont use rippers and then post those killtimes in the sugg

and dont use mods that upset balance like alchnpc combination pots

[grim tusk]

Also no alch npc, wingslot, 3 W, 3 M

And 2 offensive accs max

[pure bluff]

whats 3w 3m

i dont get why wingslot is so popular it's literally just a glorified free extra accessory slot

[drowsy plank]

you just explained why it's so popular

[pure bluff]

it upsets balance

do ppl rlly just want it to be easy

[drowsy plank]

yes

[pure bluff]

that makes it less fun

[edgy sundial]

Really, I don't think balance testing for suggs should have anything more than Calamity and Nycro Nohit active; you can never say for certain what under-the-hood changes some other mod might be making

[pure bluff]

based

[small timber]

I mean I had seen people complaining malice is way too easy while using asphalt platform + luiafk unlimited buffs + stacking calamity potions with unlimited buffs

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512927576914788352/962177557598453770/IMG_5500.png “QoL”

[small timber]

and then use like, wpnout (full version) broken gear and like "yo calamity is too easy"

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465195069406707722/968147362864320662/unknown.png

[night jolt]

Enjoy grinding for 10000 hours to get enough potion materials for an entire playthrough, I'm just gonna install AlchemistNPC Lite cause I like having fun

[grim tusk]

Npcs also sell potions in Cal lol

[drowsy plank]

you can buy them lmao yeah

[small timber]

I mean... the only thing you need to actually grind is like, calamity potion

[pure bluff]

yeah.

[grim tusk]

And Cal also improves fishing a lot

[small timber]

which most of them you obtain material naturally, some of them with hard material (eg: photosynthesis) is not even useful

[grim tusk]

Calamitas’s brew right?

[small timber]

these are like the only hard one and even then after you get perennial rod (and especially scoria fishing rod) they are trivial

[small timber]

oh right that too, though that calamity potion was referring to all potions added by calamity (including yharim stim, cadence, all..)

and herbs are not really a problem too, you basically have infinite of them after eye of cthulhu, if you plant them of course, + space planetoid herb bags

there are a ton of things you can do to make potion making significantly easier (and calamity do provide options to make them easier), just people default to luiafk + alchemistnpc because grinding money is easier

[grim tusk]

For Yharim’s stimulants you can just buy materials (and food items are easy to get)

And most potions can be made with blood orbs as well

[small timber]

ya yharim stim and cadence used to be the hard one (because from different biome), now both are just buy them

[grim tusk]

Shadow potion, Crumbling (and shattering) and Penumbra

Those still need some grind

And shadow needs fishing :lo:

[small timber]

ya shadow is super hard before rift reeler, though I do find crumbling and shattering be fine

penumbra can be a bit grindy since for some reason it craft 1 potion per material, but at least that one you only use for bosses

[pure bluff]

you guys use potions outside of bosses?

[small timber]

I do pop yharim stim and cadence very often, or at least regen
but both potion (after added NPC potion selling) is like, 10 gold each, you just have to buy their materials separately, but yharim stim last 20 minute and cadence last 8 so you can easily farm them

[soft quest]

I would say Luiafk, wingslot, alchnpc full ver. (And lite to an extent) are all cheat mods that make the game way easier

[dim osprey]

What’s your reasoning on luiafk?

Wingslot I see

And alchnpc full I see too

[grim tusk]

Inf buffs that do not take a slot

[dim osprey]

Ah

Yea makes sense

[grim tusk]

Also stacks with potions that usually dont stack

[soft quest]

cmon, are you reasonably ever gonna have every single buff in the game all at once all the time?

[dim osprey]

Forgot that luiafk did that

[soft quest]

also this, you can pretty much double every potions effects

[dim osprey]

Only case I’d use luiafk is while playing summoner

[half sage]

same

[dim osprey]

Cause summons taking up a buff slot is bs

[half sage]

[night jolt]

Lui and Wingslot definitely, but Alch NPC Lite is just a way to not have to farm

The only "cheating" thing in Lite imo is the combinations, but you can just ignore those if you want

[soft quest]

yeah i know, but thats more of a fault of farming than it is alch npc

[night jolt]

Fuck LuiAFK, all my homies use Fargo's Mutant Mod

[umbral sonnet]

I used more potions and then i took it off since i felt it made it too ez, and i was right

same, iI decided to not use the unlimted buffs this playthrough

[umbral sonnet]

I dont use combinations personally because their just forgettable, the young brewer in general

[umbral sonnet]

Wingslot is just an extra accessory slot once u enter hardmode, something u already get from demon heart so ofcourse

also Lui with the inf fallen stars I dont feel is chearing so much as, hey you dont have to spend 5 hours to get some fallen stars

[ruby plover]

except when star cannon is involved

[umbral sonnet]

except when you get alchnpc lite

then you have that one guy

who sells them after EoW and BoC

for like 10 silver each

[fringe notch]

I just grab tedit to do that

@spring sail Blood Orbs. That's a way to get the potions easily

[spring sail]

I know but for consistency and variety

[ruby plover]

there is consistence (npc's, and crafting the damn things with regular ingredients)
and variety (pots from chests, npcs, crafts, blood orbs, fishing crates, and maybe something else i'm missing)

[muted osprey]

can we get calamity mod pee potion

[jovial knot]

Would be nice to have an option to toggle double-tap dash on items like asgard's valor

[ashen warren]

If you don't want to dash don't use the dash item

[muted osprey]

does balls and chain still exist

[small timber]

Ya

[jovial knot]

@ashen warren I want to use dash, it's just that I prefer using a dash bind rather than randomly dashing when I accidentally double-tap a movement key.

[muted osprey]

yeah then just use that

[muted osprey]

stop spamming directional keys tbh

[jovial knot]

what a reductive response

[muted osprey]

even then a keybind would more likely result in you splurging out cos you forgot your bind

[jovial knot]

I don't forget binds dude

I'm not 12 years old

[muted osprey]

you're putting alot of faith in yourself buddy

[jovial knot]

I mean you're trolling in a suggestion channel for a terraria mod

stay humble

lmfao

[muted osprey]

???

[small timber]

I mean double tap is just a mechanic that is introduced in vanilla and continued by calamity

[jovial knot]

and it's a bad mechanic in both

[small timber]

I mean I dont see any problem with a suggestion to add key bind to dash

(just as long as it is not the only way to dash), basically left option to still double tap (and optionally to disable it) and also add a new option to dash by key bind

[muted osprey]

I'm pretty sure 80% of the terraria player base is used to having double tap as a dash

[small timber]

Though it probably will be a bit awkward to use (considering 2d nature of the game) but many action game have dash/roll on bind + directional anyway

[night jolt]

That doesn't mean the option shouldn't exist. You aren't going into DoG without a dash, but you also really don't want to fuck everything up by dashing during the laser wall segment when you really just want to make fine movements

[small timber]

And ya, people can simply get use to new thing, especially one that they choose to activate

[hot zephyr]

bol and chain

[jovial knot]

@night jolt Exactly, the response @muted osprey gave is just gatekeepy behavior

[night jolt]

Its the reason why everyone hates the item "Mars" in TboI

[night jolt]

Ah yes, just casually favorite and unfavorite an item in the middle of afucking Boss

[jovial knot]

not everyone plays exclusively terraria so having more common game conventions like a dash bind as an option makes sense

[muted osprey]

fine I just hate keybinded dashes

[night jolt]

Thats why we're asking for a toggle in the config, that way you can just play normally if you want

[lavish condor]

iirc laser walls are telegraphed enough that if you have the ball and chain in a predictable slot you can do it quickly enough. Maybe during the first laser wall you'd have it but it's easily doable. You can also put on a mount like UFO that has no dash and free movement

[night jolt]

Well, actually, we aren't officially asking for it yet, so let me fix that

[small timber]

Tbh i do think double tap to dash had been awkward since vanilla, just had get used to it

I dont mind keybind dash at all, as long as it dont get rid of double tap (just give option to disable double tap not completely delete it and it is fine)

[small timber]

Inventory management in the middle of the fight as the only get around aounds incredibly mid

[hollow shell]

Geez dude

[small timber]

People dont even want to quick swap accessories or armor (eg: for gsd on auric for mage and summoner) let alone favourite (and afterwards) unfavourite an item

[lavish condor]

Yeah that's a good point

[night jolt]

Hows this?

[jovial knot]

giga chad

[muted osprey]

yep seems good

[soft quest]

I would actually maybe use that

Like shift to dash

That would be hard to learn, but sick

[muted osprey]

(presses every other button around shift except shift)

[true inlet]

I already use left alt for most of my dashes so this would be great

[soft quest]

You’ve clearly never played a movement shooter before

[cerulean trench]

shift is so easy to hit

[hollow shell]

echineer has Wobbly Cat Syndrome

[tardy smelt]

Im just so used to double tapping

Maybe the fact that that's the running keybind in classic kirby's contributed to that

[small timber]

ravager have some (devplans.png) to move it to somewhere post-ML, but ya regardless of that I dont feel ravager drop is that awful?

at the very least like spikecrag is one of the best sentry on tier and I heard realm ravager is ok, at the very least it still drop a rage upgrade (in fact blood pact is awful in most case rather than a good drop)

[ruby plover]

it's drops are aight, for the most part they aren't too special but do they really need to be?
they are by no means bad, that goes for all of them i think

[hollow shell]

I remember back when Ravager had no weapon drops

Just materials and accessories

It was an interesting time

[small timber]

tbh it doesn't sound too bad, just the accessory need to be interesting (and powerful)

things like blood pact and flesh totem are still situationally very useful accessory

[tardy smelt]

blood pact has some cool synergies

[cerulean trench]

1. wait vesuvius was moved to ravager
2. the drops are fine and its an optional boss anyway

vesuvius was betsy

[hollow shell]

I guess it did get moved to Ravager

[eternal escarp]

closest point to betsy and resembles rav colors

[muted osprey]

clearly this man has never used ultimus cleaver or spikecrag staff

[bright crag]

Vesuvius got moved to Ravager iirc

In the Malice exclusives era, all Legendaries/RIVs needed to be exclusively boss drops

And basically, Vesuvius stuck with Ravager to this day, after those categories were pruned

[fossil finch]

Spoken like someone who does not use ravager's drops

[neat linden]

nice argument
unfortunately, hematemesis

barely anyone uses it, ever

and it's really good for fishron and cultist

may be good for PBG too

[crude geode]

I won’t comment on the viability of weapons (idk how viable any weapon is and I don’t feel like getting kill times) but a portion of Ravager’s weapons feel extremely bland

Hematemesis stands out the most to me as just being really boring. Just a couple of red particles/dust from the bottom of the screen

For a weapon named after the vomiting of blood you’d think it would be a little more unique

[frozen hornet]

Ye

it's funny on deus but I didn't find it all that good for anything else

[crude geode]

realm ravager and ultimus cleaver feel really generic tbfh (and have an explosion aesthetic??????)

I don’t get the ravager weapon obsession with explosions

[short walrus]

maybe a play on the whole "living fortress" thing (fortress > weapons > possibly explosives)

its a stretch

[frozen hornet]

It has missiles too

[crude geode]

Ravager is such a mess

Explosions, fire, rock, blood

Current ravager is such a mess

[short walrus]

hopefully the rewrite™️ will clear things up

[crude geode]

Good luck

More likely the concept for redesign will happen first considering we have no clue on lore updates outside of maybe the bestiary entities causing an update to happen there

[true inlet]

Ravager is cool

[cobalt pewter]

exponentially harder to learn the longer you play Terraria

muscle memory will take a while to adapt

but yea, it's still possible

[soft quest]

2K hours in total

But shift for dash would be so so good

[small timber]

I mean.. the suggestion is to give an option, not to delete double tap dash so it should be fine

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[soft quest]

I like to keep my binds consistent throughout games

[small timber]

(and there are probably surprising amount of people who play vanilla straight to calamity who will appreciate non-double tap dash)

[soft quest]

Bind to scroll wheel and dash insanely fast

[fleet igloo]

How about I also make this a sugg

[fringe notch]

I'd think that vanilla players would be used to double tap dash because of the shield of cthulhu, tabi (and master ninja gear), and solar dash all being on double tap

[small timber]

ya I guess, though the people I mentioned was specifically people who played/finished vanilla once and decided to try calamity

since chances are in that case they likely play other action games (fps, fighting games, 3d shooter...) more, which most of them dont put dash/roll on double tap

so options to do that I feel will always be welcome

[limpid salmon]

should suggestions about 1.4 calam be posted a few weeks after 1.4 calam is here or should i post my suggeestion now?

[short walrus]

After

Future content Suggs is specifically a dont

(read the Google doc at the top of posting)

[grim tusk]

Rav’s drops are fine 🤨

Maybe except rogue stealth strikes, but the rest i have checked them and they were good

[soft quest]

what over reliance on wings does to a person

i think just the rock pillars can be a bit annoying

but i like his fight

[night jolt]

Let me introduce you to my good friend, Graphing hooks

[crude geode]

I meant in terms of design?

Not the boss fight?

🤨

[night jolt]

Well you specified explosions, which are objectively part of the fight and not the design

[small timber]

My complain for ravager had always been the same, all mechanic incentivize close range, while he has a machine gun fist that force high fire rate weapon, the rest of the fight is fine

[eternal escarp]

(Ravagers actual fight has no explosions in it, last time i checked)

((no fire does not count))

[night jolt]

Well whatever he was referring to, explosions are not part of Ravager's design

[eternal escarp]

they are a part of some of his weapon designs

is what i believe he referred to

[crude geode]

Yes

And the whole “nuke” attack

[eternal escarp]

that explosion is purely sound iirc but yeah i guess

[crude geode]

Crusher, Realm Ravager, and Ultima (cal try not to use the word ‘ultimate’ challenge) all have explosions in their design

[eternal escarp]

you mean Ultimus Cleaver

Ultima is the dono bow

[crude geode]

Right

(Even donos use the world ultimate for everything )

[eternal escarp]

arent there only like

4 weapons with "Ulti-"

the yharim ultiswords, Ultima and the cleaver

[crude geode]

Still too many for that adjective, considering the ultiswords upgrade into each other so what the fuck is the point

But beside the point

[eternal escarp]

i dont think the name Ultisword is going to last anyways

considering "Omega Biome Blade" death

[soft quest]

i really loved that ravager concept art of him being like a bipedal golem

anyone got that resprite doc

[eternal escarp]

its literally pinned in #calamity-mod-talk

[soft quest]

ah, i thought it was in draedon talk but that channel got erased a while ago

[eternal escarp]

well it used to, also its not erased its #calamity-update-talk renamed

[soft quest]

yeah i fucking love this concept

would probably be my favorite boss design if it made it in

[drowsy plank]

current ravager looks like a weird skull throne

[eternal escarp]

@fierce burrow
A) thats not how a suggestion is formatted
B) you need a reason for your suggestion (not "itd be cool" or "itd make sense" or the likes
C) thats a bit too specific for what its worth

[gray nebula]

trol

[crude geode]

classic iban moment

[drowsy plank]

nice

[tardy smelt]

no, it actually has a hitbox

found out about that the hard way

[eternal escarp]

huh

[tardy smelt]

you rascal

[tardy smelt]

its remarkably annoying but not enough so to do anything about imo

the whole fight's getting reworked anyway ()

I think it will be

at least, based on fab's messages on rav

[tardy smelt]

and current rav wouldn't fit this design very well anyway

and honestly its hard to see that design in a non-3d form nor game

[night jolt]

Rav is just too similar to Golem imo

[tardy smelt]

in how it moves?

perhaps

in how you dodge it?

they're hardly similar

[crude geode]

average calamity player since ravager existed

[eternal escarp]

"it has SEGMENTS and DETACHING ARMS"

"same BOSS!!!!"

"IT even JUMPS"

byeah

[warped tide]

My main gripe is Rock Walls and Flame Pillars

[soft quest]

rock walls yeah

they feel so punishing and random

[warped tide]

agreed

[eternal escarp]

random??

[warped tide]

“oh, you want to get away from the fist because your weapon cant stop it? rock wall”

[soft quest]

they spawn on the sides of you (or him) but i dont think they account for your movement and you crash and burn

[warped tide]

yeah they dont

[true inlet]

Rock walls arent that bad even

[eternal escarp]

Ravager has a set pattern to those
first jump, sets rocks
second jump, throws them
third jump, sets flame pillars

and all it takes

is paying attention and not flying mach 1 away

[true inlet]

for me ravager is quite easy

[warped tide]

I like the rest of the fight

just

Rock walls

[true inlet]

stay medium distance away, destroy ravager sides wall, continue murder, destroy flames, continue murder, repeat

[warped tide]

and the Flame Pillars punish horizontal more but are honestly fine

[soft quest]

I dont run away, in fact i dont even like using wings for that fight, but you get choked up so often between him and the pillars

[true inlet]

and now, a polterghast suggestion

[fossil finch]

Just ram through them

[eternal escarp]

well if youre actually standing up to him and kissing his hands then yeah obviously

[fossil finch]

[true inlet]

cant wait for this place to murder me

gotta double check all things before

[soft quest]

idk why but i always have a thing against meta and will never use valor

[warped tide]

Ravenger and DoG give me trouble

[fossil finch]

I will murder you either way

[warped tide]

while like

Dragonfolly and Aquatic Scourge

[fossil finch]

Cope?

[eternal escarp]

sounds like a you issue

[warped tide]

are fine

I was able to beat them both before WoF or ML

[tardy smelt]

not even afaik

[warped tide]

for their repsective tiers

[tardy smelt]

it throws the rocks on the same jump as it sets flame pillars right?

[fossil finch]

no

[eternal escarp]

the pattern is ingrained to my brain, i dont remember it by hand

but its something similar so who cares

[tardy smelt]

^

[fossil finch]

Also it's technically every 10 seconds or something like that

[tardy smelt]

samesame

ohhhhhhh alll the same

[fossil finch]

but that's every jump for practical purposes

[true inlet]

alrighr, works with donts

[tardy smelt]

how unhealthy is the fact that i didn't even notice i was doing malice ravager and accidentally nohit its first phase first-try after coming back to redo him

[true inlet]

alright #suggestions-discussion , murder me

[shrewd furnace]

Good suggestion, it's weird how polter doesn't have an item to stop it from spawning

[pure bluff]

an item like the bleach ball or anti tumor ointment for polter would be nice

[shrewd furnace]

Cultist should also have one, I'm gonna suggest that right now

[eternal escarp]

could make the title more clear to what youre acfyally suggesting

cultist has one
its called breaking blocks

[shrewd furnace]

Fair enough, I just remembered you can do that

[eternal escarp]

otherwise, sugg looks good

[shrewd furnace]

acfyally

[pure bluff]

placing a bunch of blocks where even just one of them spawn makes them all not spawn

it's annoying that you cant use eidolon tablet while cultists are alive tho i dont get that

[shrewd furnace]

It's probably to stop people from fighting 2 cultists

Which would mean fighting double pillars

Actually I should make a suggestion for an item to make pillars not spawn after you kill cultist

[eternal escarp]

why

LC has barely more then 2 drops
and almost all of them are guarenteed

[night jolt]

I wasn't even aware that Polterghast could spawn without the Beacon

[shrewd furnace]

Trophy and mask

[eternal escarp]

10% and 14.whatever arent that hard to get

[night jolt]

Because directly in front of the Dungeon is one of the best places to make a permanent arena and keep expanding it

[eternal escarp]

that is

subjective

so that will not really pass as a good enough reason

[shrewd furnace]

I think everyone would benefit from having less pillars in their lives

[eternal escarp]

you dont need to farm LC anyways

so you dont spawn pillars that many times

[night jolt]

OK how about this, its annyoing to spawn the Lunatic Cultist on accident by dashing into the Dungeon after using Arcanum, for example

[eternal escarp]

that is indeed a reason which can be solved with a previous answer

breaking blocks

[grim tusk]

@true inlet you know that the summon item is infinite

however

yes

a spawn blocker would be nice

[eternal escarp]

they never claimed otherwise storm

[night jolt]

Whats really annoying is that the music for Cultist starts playing as soon as you kill one of the cultists, I'm certain its a glitch, but it is annoying

[eternal escarp]

not that i can see

byeah

thats something to nudge vanilla for

[night jolt]

Is it at all possible to make it so the LuCal theme only plays when he spawns?

[eternal escarp]

LuCal?

[night jolt]

Lunatic Cultist

oh shit

[eternal escarp]

yeah just, LC

also thats such a minor detail and has 0 reasoning for it

[shrewd furnace]

Lunar Coins

[eternal escarp]

that still doesnt acronym into LuCal

[shrewd furnace]

But LC does

[eternal escarp]

okay

[night jolt]

LOSER with a small COCK

[eternal escarp]

and this discussion is over

[true inlet]

I know 💀

[eternal escarp]

keep fighting the boss with random imvasion enemies
you know Boss Zen exists right

[night jolt]

Just use Fargo's lol

[eternal escarp]

you dont even need that, bosses litterally disable mob spawns aslong as they are alive

also if youre post ml you can just finish the event in under 16 seconds

music isnt even a really good reason

id say you should try getting better reasons for that

[frail mortar]

I was about to say that XD
Stuff like the goblin retreat order are useful

[shrewd furnace]

Man you are really taking me out of context here

[frail mortar]

Fargo's literally has items you can buy specifically to stop invasions

[eternal escarp]

wdym that is litterally the context

what other context could there be

[shrewd furnace]

Read a bit more of the sentence

[eternal escarp]

if youre grinding a boss youre going to have boss zen 97% of the time

before the player spawns the boss, how many enemies are going to spawn, 5?

[shrewd furnace]

Fair enough

[eternal escarp]

and if youre building that entire reason on "post ml bosses" then those enemies will just die in a hit, how frustrating is that going to be

[shrewd furnace]

Not sure if I should delete that part and focus more on how pirates invasion theme can overwite DoG's

[eternal escarp]

..is it DoG specifically?

[fossil bronze]

that sounds more like a bug than a suggestion

[eternal escarp]

if thats so, then yes

that would be a bug, not something to suggest about

[shrewd furnace]

Fairly sure its all bosses, event music just has priority over boss music, DoG was just an example that happened in my playthrough

[eternal escarp]

in that case that might just be a vanilla limitation, as far as i could guess

someone who might know can correct me

[ruby plover]

@rough venture have you perhaps read the changelogs

189 - DoG shouldn't be able to get an insane burst of speed when swapping phases anymore, regardless of the distance from his target. - Done ✅

[rough venture]

ah

[pure bluff]

dont the pins or dont document say to read the changelog before posting a sugg lol

[rough venture]

i bet they would

[pure bluff]

then read the pins and dont document before posting a sugg 💀

[drowsy plank]

we get so many suggs that are things that are gonna get fixed next update it's unreal

[ruby plover]

make wof despawn when its killed every player ah yes

[pure bluff]

does that in 1.4

Vanilla

[ruby plover]

ye i know, i just rember seeing a suggestion ask that

even though vanilla makes it a thing

[pure bluff]

im sure u know i was jus adding to ur statement

[mortal reef]

ichor and cursed flames should be able to be bough from an npc in the opposite world type..?

[ruby plover]

there is an island with opposite world evil blocks already

[mossy wyvern]

I just got an idea for a summoning weapon

[ruby plover]

also, 1.4 has additional ways to get opposite world evil stuff in hardmode

[fringe notch]

Ahh, the tight turn DoG, the boss that made me do perfect dodging

[ruby plover]

wait why didnt he delete the suggestion

it literally doesnt need to exist

that change has already been implemented

[mossy wyvern]

the "good boy" (crafted with dog whistle and other things), a doggo that uses up all your minion slots, and jumps to the enemy and bites them, dealing progressive damage. upgrades will just be making the doggo a stronger breed or something

doggooo

[ruby plover]

read the pins, suggestion doc

[fringe notch]

Too specific

[mossy wyvern]

oh

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Sugg that already exists in changelogs

[mossy wyvern]

but like why is there no doggo summon

[fringe notch]

Also this sounds like the desert tiger thing from 1.4

[mossy wyvern]

whats a desert tiger

[ruby plover]

cos the devs didnt see the need for one, simple

[pure bluff]

there is a dog pet and a summon based on the devourer of gods

[pure bluff]

if ur gonna make suggestions for 1.4 port at least know stuff about 1.4💀

[mossy wyvern]

oh god how longs it been ;3;

[fringe notch]

DoG summon

[fringe notch]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Desert_Tiger_Staff

[pure bluff]

their sugg was pretty much just a reskin or desert tiger lol

esp considering dog whistle is post plantera(i think) just like the desert chest with the tiger staff

[hollow shell]

The DoG sugg?

[ruby plover]

yea

[crude geode]

ye

[ruby plover]

189 - DoG shouldn't be able to get an insane burst of speed when swapping phases anymore, regardless of the distance from his target. - Done ✅

[hollow shell]

I'm not sure if that changelog pertains to this issue or the other issue where he would come flying in from off-screen at a morbillion miles per hour

[grim tusk]

I think both

[pure bluff]

"regardless of the distance from his target"

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888606557691052033/968686527964127273/2022-04-26_20-05-02_Trim.mp4 morbillion miles per hour

[pure bluff]

lightspeed deus

[sand ermine]

[umbral sonnet]

To infinity and beyond

[night jolt]

OK, I know this is a sorta "just because" suggestion

But I think the visual for Amidias' "help" thing is really ugly

Its just a 1 pixel thick circle around the player

I think they should either remove it entirely, or fill in the circle with slightly transparent pixels to make the bubble less ugly

[ruby plover]

so just, resprite it

[hollow shell]

It is indeed a sprite

Capable of being resprited or even turned into a code-object like SCal's shield

[gray nebula]

en gee ell i also wqanted to try that for wulfrulm shield stuff

[inner anvil]

@rough venture

Wrong image.

[hollow shell]

lol

[hollow shell]

There we go

Memes do you know if that's referring specifically to his tight turns?

[inner anvil]

My bad lmao.

[hollow shell]

if so then yeah issue already resolved

I just don't know if it's referring to that

[inner anvil]

I think it is, because when he does a tight turn, of boy he's fast, there's been some videos around, I think they're from Storm's? I don't remember.

But now that I think about it, maybe it could be something else, I just don't know what it could be lmao.

[grave zinc]

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[hollow idol]

todo list speedrun

[frail mantle]

do note that iirc gemtech is intended to be used while constantly switching weapons

also demonshade rework and exo armor will eventually be a thing

[still zodiac]

considering the set bonus promotes that playstyle, yes

[eternal escarp]

last i heared gemtech was also really good so uhh iirc tbh

[small timber]

ya currently auric is just not really considered "end game" (since in the suggestion it is referencing post scal and draedon), while usable auric is technically post yharon so it will be balanced for post yharon

and ya, demonshade rework and exo armor is the big one, since they are proper end game armor being worked on

[hollow shell]

(that first bit is part of their argument, xp)

[small timber]

oh ok I thought they also suggested to buff auric armor (I mislooked the final line)

[sand ermine]

isnt demonshade classless right now anyway?

[small timber]

though I do feel demonshade is fine? just because of the active

gemtech maybe but gemtech is also (technically), not end game, since it only requires one of the two final boss to be defeated

[sand ermine]

yeah

[small timber]

(wait with demonshade rework + exo armor does it mean technically there is no end game armor)

[sand ermine]

demonshade should stay as it is right now

[small timber]

because demonshade will become scal armor (similar to how gemtech is to exo currently) iirc

[sand ermine]

just a classless endgame armor

[small timber]

then an actual shadowspec armor that is soon™?

[sand ermine]

just gonna have to wait and see

[hollow shell]

nah, it will eventually become a dedicated SCal armor

[sand ermine]

yeah i know, thats why i said right now since i knew its gonna change

[hollow shell]

It won't be "classless" but it'll have helmets for each class
(3 instead of 5, some are multiclass)

I see.

[fringe notch]

why cant we have different boots or different chest pieces for each class, why's it always the helmet (honest question)

[hollow shell]

That is something that's come up in dev a few times

[fringe notch]

oh

[hot zephyr]

because it's harder to design unique looking chestplates

[hollow shell]

Helmet is just the standard (after all of vanilla's ore armors and Hallowed and Shroomite, etc)
and has the most perceived visual difference, yknow, human inclination

[fringe notch]

fair point i s'pose

[sand ermine]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

especially since the terraria character has a tiny body and a giant head

[sand ermine]

wouldnt make too much sense to like, have extra boots or chestplates too
i guess its both a continuity thing and also visuals

[small timber]

and another thing is I will just assume the work needed to put into it will require long development time?

[eternal escarp]

the only armor that isnt helmets is Beetle armor iirc

[sand ermine]

[hollow shell]

I don't know if we have any concrete chestplate armor alt ideas in the plans, but it is still a possibility for the future

[eternal escarp]

and afaik the difference is miniscule design wise

[hot zephyr]

and even then

[small timber]

since just post ML alone will have to: tarragon (unique) x5, bloodflare (unique) x5, godslayer/silva (unique) x5 and auric (unique) x5

that is at least 20 unique set of armor to be added

[hot zephyr]

it's two pieces for the same class

[eternal escarp]

yea

[sand ermine]

though nobody really cares about bettle armor in calamity

[eternal escarp]

wdym Beetle armor is really good

[sand ermine]

i never use beetle armor

[eternal escarp]

missing out possibly

[ruby plover]

its super good in calamity lol

[small timber]

beetle is probably like, the best pre-ML armor?

maybe beside astral armor

[sand ermine]

beetles terrify me, thats why

[ruby plover]

oop

[hot zephyr]

four extra legs and four extra chest sprites for minimal stat differences

[still zodiac]

for raw damage output beetle is better yea, but if the weapon doesn't work well with melee speed then astral is superior

[hot zephyr]

beetle armor is just okay, i never actually use it because I don't like turtle armor

[hollow shell]

The GS/Silva split makes me very happy and I hope we do more things like it in the future
which I think we will

[small timber]

even the defensive beetle is super good (even after calamity nerf)

[sand ermine]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

although turtle is ludicrously good in 1.4

[small timber]

one day 5 class helmet will be completely abolished soon™

[sand ermine]

i mean, you're easily able to get turtle armor in calamity

[still zodiac]

it's definitely a good change, makes the experience a bit more unique

[sand ermine]

just never cared about it too much

[eternal escarp]

Reaver armor also exists iirc

people forget about that one

[sand ermine]

I don't like Reaver armor

[still zodiac]

oh yeah wasn't it said before that eventually daedalus and hydrothermic will get the reaver treatment as well

[small timber]

reaver is the armor where everyone forgot and meanwhile nohitters rate it 11/10

[hollow shell]

Reaver's declassing was also great

[eternal escarp]

wdym i used it in my playthrough first and foremost

[small timber]

reaver is also yharon viable, on coldheart icicle only

[eternal escarp]

and one of its two combat ones are tanky

[hollow shell]

Haven't heard that personally, but they are indeed 5-helm sinners

[sand ermine]

I used Reaver armor once, immediately looked back

[still zodiac]

mostly just going off of things that happened way back in drae talk update channel I think

don't even remember who mentioned that

[small timber]

daedalus do feel a bit weak now especially with ore armor rework (hallowed will get holy dodge, adamantite is super good), and daedalus mostly have getting hit passive or for summoner just a chlorophyte crystal

especially since hardmode ore progression rework put it behind 2 mechs

[eternal escarp]

(speaking of Chlorophyte Crystal, melee chlorophyte crystal from my very short testing might be viable on its own for Skeletron Prime, in a very convoluted way)

just wanted to mention that

[hollow shell]

Daedalus / Cryonic / Verstaltite equipment will get its time, eventually

We have just about everything on our plate

We're just rationing out the workload

across

many many planned updates

[still zodiac]

yeah that's fair, there's only so much you have to spend. Priorities and all that jazz exists yada yada

[frozen hornet]

unlimited update works

[still zodiac]

sentenced for eternal calamity updates

[fringe notch]

Do people even care about beetle in vanilla? I see people just using chlorophyte or turtle until solar

[small timber]

beetle is super big in vanilla, in fact like one of the only actually good armor for master mode

[fringe notch]

Oh wow

[kindred creek]

Do y’all not use beatle in calamity when playing melee?

[small timber]

because beetle defense give 45% damage reduction on first hit, damage one give 30% (or 45?) melee damage and speed

[fringe notch]

#IDontUseMeleePre-ML
But I do sometimes switch to melee post-ml

[kindred creek]

True. Mage best class

[tardy smelt]

Wherever false melee falls off theres often some incredibly strong true melee weapons available

Like early and late(?) hardmode

[small timber]

the problem is just vanilla melee weapon before pillar events is very limited, like you have terrablade, and... thats it

[kindred creek]

Possessed hatchet is amazing in vanilla. Also, North Pole, Christmas tree sword, and the Flarion.

I don’t think I ever use terra blade in vanilla

It kinda sucks tbh

[small timber]

ya possessed hatchet is ok for vanilla, just too low dps for master, northpole, christmas tree, flarion... etc also the same problem, they simply don't deal enough damage for master mode stats

northpole have damage but problem is more with the boss you can use it on (fishron is fast, golem have a roof, so lunatic cultist only), and after that you hvae solar weapon which are super good and not even comparable

[tardy smelt]

It does not

I'd say Influx Waver is better on single targets that are out of reach and starlight/solar eruption are better on closeby single targets

But its good for crowd control, and for vanilla standards the projectile dps is extremely good for the range it has (which is very large)

If you're skillful you can let yourself be fully carried by starlight

Its super accurate, strong and has a decent range for being true melee

[fringe notch]

flarion was pretty damn good in uhh... 1.2.4, I loved that weapon

[keen zealot]

I don't think there's a single weapon I'd use over Terra Blade in current vanilla

it's absolutely cracked

can't wait to play with that new projectile it's getting

[arctic apex]

Vanilla needs more weapon choices imo

Only a few viable weapons for each boss

[short walrus]

How about rework the bad ones instead of add new ones

[tardy smelt]

^

and you don't need 80000 weapons per boss tier if you can make previous ones last longer

[muted osprey]

🤨

[eternal escarp]

i wont even bother exclaiming the mistakes and let that get deleted automatically in a day

[gray nebula]

demonsahde gives u an insane damage up

and it goes up even higher if you consider the extra 125% more damage from tjhe enrage

[eternal escarp]

@dusty path cant suggest about future content

also that reason basically amounts to "itd be cool"

[gray nebula]

wouldnt this be better for anlother mod

thats standalone

[eternal escarp]

yeah

this sugg has no real reason to be specific to Cal

as in, its reasonless

[pure bluff]

also ik its subjective but i dont find zeniths attack animation to be boring at all

[eternal escarp]

ye

[drowsy plank]

oh boy here i go posting again

this is the third time im gonna post the fishing loot table rework thing sure hope i dont get outvoted by things the devs already plan to implement again

[small timber]

what is the fishing loot table suggestion again? I seen you posted it before but I dont fully understand exactly what (the suggestion) wants

[drowsy plank]

make it so the crates have equal chances to drop ores and bars because vanilla crates do, and it's nice to be able to make bricks without having to make an enemy farm, and also just move the remaining accessories that are gold/surface chest exclusive into the crates as well

band of regen has like 8 useful accessories you can make out of it but you're probably only getting like 3 per world and you can't get it any other way

[small timber]

wait which fishing crate is correspond to underground golden chest?

[eternal escarp]

gold crates, i believe

[small timber]

hmm actually it seems that there is no fishing crate correspond to underground gold chest

[drowsy plank]

surface chests have some of the surface drops, and iron crates have some of the cavern/gold chest drops (or equivalents of)

[small timber]

hmm actually I am not sure how I feel about golden crate dropping gold chest drops

[drowsy plank]

not to mention that, other than gold and surface, literally every other crate has parity with its chest counterpart

[small timber]

to put it simply, gold chest drop is just... not that valuable, unless you havent start exploring yet, but if you are at that point your iron fishing rod is not gonna fish up golden crate

I will rather, say, make band of regeneration craftable, since that is the only one gold chest drop (besides shoe spike but bandit sells it later) that is uncraftable at the moment

in a playthrough I will really rather golden crate drop like, master bait consistently, since that one kickstart fishing a lot more

[drowsy plank]

that's valid, it just bugs me that they put climbing claws in the wooden one. like. only climbing claws. im sorry would it be too broken to put both of them in there, like? you can only get shoe spikes from surface chests. it's just such a dumb little thing but it bothers me so much.

also you're right, but getting a gold crate is about as difficult as finding a gold chest in the early game id say, maybe chests are a bit easier even, so i see no reason not to make them renewable in crates. the whole point is being able to go back and get these resources if you missed them somehow, while preventing them from being completely free, and it avoids making literally every single accessory into a recipe, which i think is something the devs have more than once expressed disdain for.