suggestions-discussion

[hot zephyr]

if you can come up with a better reason than "it'd be cool" or "in the lore..." then maybe

victory shards getting moved up in progression was intentional

[lucid marsh]

Also could get a secret harder desert scourge for if it goes through the oasis or ocean

Ah ok

They could be made harder

As well

[fringe notch]

you mean the aquatic scourge..? something that already exists?

[lucid marsh]

I think it would be a cool idea and a nice extra challenge to get a harder version of the desert scourge and Cnidrions (besides aquatic scourge)

[lucid marsh]

Ok yes except that one is also sulfur but fair

Maybe no desert scourge 3

Just Cnidrions

Those would be cool, I want to see a big seahorse

[fringe notch]

#suggestions-discussion message

[lucid marsh]

Yeah fair

Cnidrion mount would be fun

But not a big reason to have it

I think it would be nice extra flavor for the mod too

But yeah not important

[spring sail]

Should SCal be buffed after using advanced combat techniques

[crude geode]

What

[spring sail]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Techniques

[sleek turret]

That's 1.4 content

[hollow shell]

@rough venture Sorry, how would it cause cheap hits?

You will almost always be moving faster than Prov during that. She decreases her speed quite significantly

[rough venture]

except in Malice Mode

[hollow shell]

You should mention that in your suggestion, please

[drowsy plank]

providence moves during holy ray??

[rough venture]

and it's annoying as hell

[ruby plover]

i know she moves during holy ray but like, im pretty sure in malice she doesn't move fast enough to match your speed... iirc

[rose latch]

she moves slower than walking speed without any accessories

while doing the rays

[rough venture]

try fighting her at night
at night Providence gains all Malice Mode changes

[ruby plover]

just watched back some footage i have of malice provi, and yes, during the beam she seems to be pretty fast, but i dont think it's too fast

especially considering you will likely not be close to provi when she starts to charge the beam

[rose latch]

i did

her speed is horizontal though

and youre most likely to be dodging the beam with vertical movement

shes still not fast enough for it to make dodging impossible

[small timber]

A bit late but I will say the movement is part of the difficulty to dodge the ray, since providence continue its movement pattern before the holy ray so in that sense it is telegraphed

Holy ray being completely static will make it a lot easier to dodge

[slate turtle]

Regarding Arctic Diving Gear Suggestion:
It would probably be better to suggest an alternative acquisition for the diving helmet rather than making frozen a guaranteed drop in the lab. Even then, diving helmet isn't that bad to get as long as you're not grinding it in hardmode where the spawns are heavily dilluted.

Frozen Lab allows you to get some powerful gear early and getting arctic gear every single time would be a bit boring.
Also, Abyssal Diving Gear is technically optional, you can stack water breathing buff and other accessories if you don't want to make it. You'll lose out on more accessory slots if you take that route though.

[cerulean trench]

ima be real i havent tried this

but i can imagine this being overlooked

its not even in 1.4 and 1.4 is building paradise

[grim tusk]

That would be too easy

[small timber]

I will be honest while the suggestion itself is fine, are you sure "living crimson tree" or "living hallowed tree" exist in the game?

[cerulean trench]

im sure

no

[small timber]

then shouldn't the suggestion be like: add living crimson and hallowed tree as the first step?

[cerulean trench]

i checked the wands and there is no way to place hallowed or crimson living wood/leaves

[cerulean trench]

just adding those wouldnt make sense

[small timber]

since the current suggestion looks like "oh living crimson and hallowed tree already exist, but please make living wood wand work on placing them because the 'normal' way to build them is very convoluted"

[cerulean trench]

what if someone wants to make a sick beach house

[small timber]

the thing is you can't just suggest to change something on something else that do not exist yet

it will be like: make titanium anvil be able to drop on top of enemy to deal damage

but titanium anvil do not exist

[cerulean trench]

do you not know that the living wood/leaf wands exist

[small timber]

living wood wand exist, but living crimston and hallowed tree do not exist

if you mean the block

[cerulean trench]

bro it doesnt imply that they exist

what are youy

[crude geode]

@cerulean trench why

[cerulean trench]

wym

why add it?

i explained why

[crude geode]

Why should this be added to calamity yes

[cerulean trench]

because it should be

well

that makes me sound like an "its cool" person

[crude geode]

It sounds incredibly insubstantial

[gray nebula]

why should it be added to calamity

[cerulean trench]

EXACTLY

IT IS

[gray nebula]

its a nice idea but it really feels like itd just be something from its own mod

like we have more important stuff to worry about + making tiles is high tier in terms of being an annoyance to sprite

[cerulean trench]

thats fair

but at the same time

you can just take the og living wood sprite

change hue and saturation

[gray nebula]

paint

[cerulean trench]

and use that as a base

[gray nebula]

• calamity is high quality we wouldnt do that

[small timber]

I mean is there any chance for this to work with say, calamity vanity? or they only do pets/light pets

[cerulean trench]

as a BASE

[gray nebula]

it's morbing time

Calamity vanities does... calamity related vanities

i don't think its particularly calamity to have living tree variants

[cerulean trench]

yeah but i wouldnt say that most things in calamity can be considered as distinctly calamity

[crude geode]

what a fucking baffling statement

[gray nebula]

ok and idc

like we have so much other stuff to worry abt

as i said

we only have a limited amount of time and half of it is already lost due to the biweekly morbius watch party

[cerulean trench]

mobius

[crude geode]

like less than 1% of players would care about this

[gray nebula]

like yes so much stuff woulb be nice to do but we cant do everthing or else nothing gets doen

[cerulean trench]

thats fair i suppose

[crude geode]

plus the reasoning for it is incredibly lackluster and just amounts to "it'd be cool"

[cerulean trench]

itd be cool, yeah

and

AND

and

(and)

[small timber]

@dawn adder #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

it's morbin time 😎

[crude geode]

@hollow shell does gthom's sugg not basically boil down to "it'd be cool"

[small timber]

since this suggestion (will) still get their chance to get into the developer's server, it kinda count as a repost

[dawn adder]

mb, should i delete my message

[small timber]

• you can just vote on it, it is basically the samething as your suggestion

[small timber]

ya just vote on it to help it get enough votes

[dawn adder]

alright thank you

[small timber]

delete it so that it dont compete with that suggestion (in terms of vote), it will be better

[tardy geyser]

ya rams, dodges, reflects, evades, etc. shouldnt inflict debuffs

[dawn adder]

that message was much more thought out than mine anyway

💀

[small timber]

@karmic glacier #suggestions-voting message I am not sure how similar this is, but I think the developers dont really want malice to have any reward? at least I will assume so as this do get denied

[karmic glacier]

Basically the same thing

[small timber]

and another thing is (many) previously malice only item are move onto non-boss sources now

like shpc etc

and the developers have (devplans.png) to move more of those items to have more unique acquisition method

[karmic glacier]

Okay

[hollow shell]

It seems good now, if he edited it

True that there's not much reason it needs to be added to Calamity, but it lays out the qualms

[small timber]

I dont think he edited it, this should be the original posted version (or very close to it)

[hollow shell]

I will say that the title should be reworded

I thought he was just asking for its "ammo" to be changed to the Any Wood group, assuming it is currently only plain Wood

But it seems like he's suggesting we add new variants to Living Wood blocks

respective to all types of wood

@cerulean trench

[cerulean trench]

yeah thats what im doing

so yeah i can edit the title

[hollow shell]

Aight yeah then title could lay that out more clearly

yeh

[small timber]

for the malice drop suggestion is it considered valid? since many malice drops are non-boss now and this suggestion get denied (which will depend on dev's intention if this is a similar case)

[hollow shell]

Thank you gthom 👍

And uhhhhh idk

"I know that it will change at some point but it feels like malice in its current state isn’t useful for anything other than fighting a harder boss."

Yes that is exactly the point

We removed exclusivity from Rev, Death, and Malice

They are just difficulty modes now

[small timber]

(normal mode adrenaline and rage incoming)

tbh it could work, they just have to like, lower damage value down to 50% for normal and expert

[cerulean trench]

that would make them entirely useless

[small timber]

adrenaline is still double damage, rage is still a near ~20% damage boost, and without the stat boost of revengeance (for normal, even expert boost which doubles boss HP in most case) it will murder bosses as much as they do in revengeance

and this is on top of that bosses tend to be way less aggressive/fire less projectiles before revengeance, which mean it is generally easier to get adrenaline

[stable musk]

Holy ray attack actually is dodged if you just run in one direction. And also providence already heavily slows down when using rays

[cerulean trench]

l ike suggestion, + its an objectively good and cool idea

but i mean

nobody has ever thought to do that

ngl

still cool

[eternal escarp]

the issue is that the whole reason behind it sounds like just

"itd make sense"

which isnt a very valid reasoning

[small timber]

ya it sounds a bit like "insta kill cryogen if you bring it to underworld" reason: "it make sense and funni"

(and I dont know how to fix that so I didnt comment on that)

[eternal escarp]

the fix is

that the sugg will never have a basis

so its pretty much doomed from the start

so yes @wheat jetty suggestions that their entire point is "it would be cool" or "it would make sense" are a Don't

and i very much doubt you can bring any real meaty reason for that so

[wheat jetty]

Yeh sorry

I dont know how to give out a reasonable reason

Lemme just remove it real quick

[small timber]

@ashen warren why? is this not clear enough?

ya buffing a weapon by 66% just because it is easier to calculate will not work

[ruby plover]

you dont think that would. maybe upset the balance a bit?

too bad

its not coming back

[small timber]

3x2 =6, 3x3 =9, it is not that hard

[short walrus]

When the balancing is sacrificed for a fucking number!

Besides, it wouldn't get in anyway because you haven't formatted it correctly

[inner anvil]

Item suggestions are not allowed.

Ok.

Weapons suggestions are not allowed.

[short walrus]

Weapons are items

[frozen hornet]

if you want another MGRR reference code it in yourself

Or play stars above or something

Learn then smh

I don't know I don't mod

I don't think you need a website

ask some modders what software they use to code in or something

[inner anvil]

There's a GitHub page which is a guide to create a mod for tModLoader created by the tMod devs.

[errant cradle]

c#

[inner anvil]

C#.

A coding language.

Visual Studio.

[errant cradle]

(non-community version, 2019 for 1.3 and 2022 for 1.4)

[inner anvil]

https://github.com/tModLoader/tModLoader/wiki/Basic-tModLoader-Modding-Guide I think this is the GitHub page guide.

Probably yes.

Well, if it's for 1.4, you can make a resource pack, which doesn't involve this guide.

Though I don't know if there's a guide to make a resource pack.

[frozen hornet]

Do resource packs even work with mods?

[inner anvil]

For a mod? No.

Unless you copy from another mod, I don't think there's problems.

[small timber]

I mean no one will sue you for it

unless you try to make money off it (somehow, for a Terraria mod)

[frozen hornet]

Stars above mod has two items that reference other franchises and I've yet to see them get in trouble

they probably have more than those two

[inner anvil]

Unless it's literally the same sprite and code, no.

[small timber]

now just have to make the sprite, attack animation and whatever actually works good luck

[vapid mango]

hi

[small timber]

I mean... the buff you suggested doesn't look, that strong?

it will probably be pretty weak even considering when you are able to get the item, having that much jump height (and that point of progression) will probably be detriment to you more than it help you

[vapid mango]

yes but i still think its weird how it weakens the frog legs boost

[vapid mango]

how so

[inner anvil]

To be fair, he has a point, rams are broken lmao, they should be nerfed or buff the belts, probably the former in some way, I don't know.

[vapid mango]

It would boost your seraph tracers and make them not poop

while not taking a full frog leg slot with nothing else with it

[small timber]

ideally (except for DoG), main bosses like Providence (require precise movement for bullet hell, jump too high is bad), Polterghast (you dont really need to jump, and ya you cant compare to ram on that), Yharon (again, precise movement for the fireball bullethell), scal (jump too high for bullet hell)

so the buff is good for like, exo mechs only?

currently when using stasis belt I already have the problem of it dashes too far, but ya maybe just me

[vapid mango]

it just makes your wings go up faster which can actually save you when youre in a tricky spot for like prov and yharon

[small timber]

doesnt jump speed also affect jump height or I confuse the 2? I remember something about jump speed making you jump higher in an instance

[small timber]

the thing about ram is like, you dont really have a good way to nerf it without completely invalidating its main purpose (being a shield of cthulhu upgrade specialize for dealing with contact damage)

the closest thing is like, use paladin shield instead of ankh shield and remove debuff immunity from it? and just make ankh part of rampart of deities

[vapid mango]

and theres still the dodge

[vapid mango]

its both i think

poop internet hours 😢

[inner anvil]

Yeah, that is a problem we know sadly.

[vapid mango]

no one uses asgard for the debuff immunity

ram is the only reason you get it

[small timber]

the debuff immunity is surprisingly useful

[vapid mango]

and we agree that we cant get rid of it

[small timber]

ya ram is the main reason, but immunity add on that

[eternal escarp]

its solely used for the ram
the debuffs is just a nice addition

[fossil finch]

The debuff immunity is surprisingly useless for post ml*

[eternal escarp]

^

debuffs mean nothing because the debuffs in post Ml are the ones that mean anything
and you are never immune to those

[fossil finch]

You only care about godslayer inferno and profaned flames and both are post their respective boss anyway

[vapid mango]

maybe kb is useful but i cant see other cases where you need the immunity

[small timber]

the thing about debuff is just you dont have to care about many annoying out of boss debuff, like a bats randomly inflicting confuse

and for some specific case like brimstone flame immune for artemis, burn immune for ares and so on

[fossil finch]

It's still not the reason dashes suck compared to ram

[vapid mango]

yea

[small timber]

the main reason dash just suck is just... no knockback immune tbh

and since that is the intended trade off you cant really solve it either

it is like "you get longer dash but no knockback immune"

[vapid mango]

you could say that in 1.4

but 1.5 made rams work

[small timber]

ares also inflict both on fire and frostburn too, and both are never noticed because debuff immune

both thanatos and artmeis inflict brimstone flame

so with asgardian aegis equipped exo mechs go from inflicting like 5-6 different debuff to electrified and cursed flame

[vapid mango]

damn

[fossil finch]

Damn

-3 health per second

[vapid mango]

but you regen is good enough to nullify all of these baby debuffs

[small timber]

big part is nullify regen, basically even weak debuff fucks over your recovery

[fossil finch]

Clearly the reason rams are better than dashes

[vapid mango]

oh right

[fossil finch]

that applies only to the natural one

Anyway still

[small timber]

^

[fossil finch]

Debuffs aren't the reason dashes are used less

[small timber]

it is just ya, said immunity is basically added as a bonus on ram

(what if make ninja gear use ankh (charm) somehow and remove ankh shield from ram to be like, paladin shield; and move ankh shield to rampart of deities)

[vapid mango]

what

brain no comprehend

wait

[small timber]

yes it makes 0 sense and I totally didnt think of it within exactly 1 second

they are craftable it is not that bad

[vapid mango]

i think maybe

ankh shield -> frigid bulwark
ankh charm -> statis belt
idk make ankh charm components sellable after moon lord or something idk

[small timber]

previously I did attempt to buff it on this way, but ya didnt exactly get enough votes

since I think that batch of suggestion have super high vote count

[eternal escarp]

most of them are craftable

[small timber]

ankh charm component are craftable after beating 1 mech (and ninja belt is post-Plantera), but ya the problem is more that that idea will get 0 votes

because people dont want to nerf ram (and dont care about ninja gear over ram)

unless like, you make master ninja gear have ankh charm without removing it from ram (but it will make it a super weird way to buff the item)

[vapid mango]

yeah but like

you still need 2

if you want both

[dim osprey]

Maybe it could be something cooler though

Something outside of just stats or a dash

Almost like an armor set bonus

But not as extreme

[cobalt pewter]

tabi dashes do not provide anything significant compared to bonk and rams (both give iframes on hits)

it's just dash go zoom

nothing else

[small timber]

it goes for longer distance, like actually much longer distance, to the point that I feel is overkill

except for exo you dont really need to dash for that long, it simply is not useful

[soft quest]

I hope that chlorophyte armor recipe thing reaches 200 votes

That’s something so small but would be so appreciated

[umbral sonnet]

do all patreons get an item?

[soft quest]

Nah, they stopped that a while ago and that was only for top tier patrons

[umbral sonnet]

oh

[soft quest]

It got too much in the way of their work

[small timber]

ya I think they still have a long backlog of patreon item to do even until today

[eternal escarp]

..yeah??

first do it atleast once before you can just easily spawn it

also: they drop from Earth Elementals

which dont require a sandstorm

also why is there a random "You" in the end

alright that explains my latter question

but youre missing the point
most event items for "raids" or whatever are achieved after you get them, or from a completely different area

Caustic Tear, Pirate Map, Goblin Warbanner, Torrential Tear even

Sandstorm isnt any different

@ashen warren also, this channel exists for a purpose, you dont need to add the last line

..then why did you add it

what

well too bad for you i guess, because thats how it works here

yeah i typed enter a lot, but it doesnt really matter

i believe you should adress the fact the Arid Artifact is dropped by Earth Elementals, and the recipe actually does conform to other event spawns

i dont see anything "nonsensical" to it

yeah that happans alot

i'd recommend checking on the stuff before you suggest things

one second

...huh

alright then
it seems like i was mistaken, that does not happen anymore

i apologize for that part specifically

byeah

👍

which katana one?

i mean, good i guess

its already in #suggestions-voting isnt it

so doesnt really matter anymore

you too

[hollow shell]

Do the belts not already inherit the jump speed boosts

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure partially

[half sage]

it's 6% according to the wiki, so it increases it by a bit but not as much as frog legs

the sugg is saying it should inherit the full benefit of them

[opaque heath]

it's so slow it doesn't even matter

also it looks cool

[fleet igloo]

I think the slow movement helps tell whether it's a holy ray or a cocoon?

[crude geode]

@ashen warren #suggestions-voting message

already planned

[hollow shell]

Well, kinda

It is indeed a suggestion about the same issue

[grim tusk]

And we did a semi-different solution

[crude geode]

it feels kinda silly to let a suggestion through if there's already a different solution planned

[grim tusk]

The solution was made based on the sugg

[crude geode]

I meant the sugg in posting

[small timber]

I mean if it is going to happen anyway does the suggestion really considered valid? Since it will be carried out

[ashen warren]

I really don’t care if my suggestion makes it in I really want this issue to be fixed

Badly

Also on weapon charges

Rework draedon weapons to have an alt fire that uses up more charges but has a powerful effect

[small timber]

That will probably be considered too major of a rework (for suggestion)? Since you have a lot of draedon weapons

[sand ermine]

@ashen warren i think the suggestion is fine, you just need to fix the text at the top to be bold

[small timber]

And this is effectively making all of them into legendary weapon (as in most case only legendary weapon has two fire modes)

[ashen warren]

I’m on mobile I can’t

[sand ermine]

bru

i am on mobile right now and you can

just add two stars to what you want to be bold, both at the beginning and end

[crude geode]

Text doesn’t have to be bold lol

[sand ermine]

ehhh

i thought it was?

[ashen warren]

Fixed

[small timber]

It is just better looking, thats about it

It is not a requirement

[small timber]

@true inlet that suggestion is way too specific

while it is not exactly items, I dont think suggestion that go that specific can get pass, especially that you even have numbers on it that the devs can't even balance around it

[true inlet]

alright, ill do some tiny fixes

alright

fixed that

removed all numbers, replaced with "less", "a bit less", and "considerably less"

[small timber]

I think you have to be way less specific for that, not just numbers but in terms of idea

just lay out the general idea instead of suggesting exactly how it should function

[true inlet]

ah

[small timber]

eg: (dont have to follow exactly, I am just trying to say how less specific it might need to be)

Add a New Enchantment

like... the idea is reverse tainted enchantment that works only on true melee weapon
make them fire projectile that allow true melee weapon to trigger on hit effect... etc

not like:
It works on true melee weapon, fire exactly brimstone hellblast, if it is on certain cooldown fire brimstone dart instead that deal slightly less damage...
negative effect.....

since that is abit too specific

just only give the idea of the suggestion (enchantment), that being a "reverse tainted enchantment that works on true melee"

leave it up for developers on how they implement it, otherwise specific suggestion like this have the tendency to get denied

[true inlet]

from the highly specific

to a heavily watered down

[small timber]

ya suggestion tend to be required to be watered down (especially one that makes specific function like this), but ya at this point leave it to the moderators to see if it is (less) specific enough (for it to get accepted)

[true inlet]

yeah

hope they get the idea

[gray nebula]

😭

oomfies wanting to take away the melee out of true melee

on god

[dusty stirrup]

Truly perplexing

[gray nebula]

its not like swords firing projectiles is interesting

it was cool in vanilla where it was the uniqjue property of like a very restricted category of swords but in calamity its basically the default

[muted osprey]

just remove projectiles from the game

[fringe notch]

Oh, true melee weapons are mostly ignored in terraria... maybe it'd be good for more. We dont need more swords with projectiles!

[hollow shell]

@true inlet What do you mean "It could be nice"

[eternal escarp]

what is the point of that enchant when you could just use
a projectile melee weapon

sounds like it has no real value of being real other then "itd be cool"

[keen zealot]

this would mean the only weapon type is broadswords

just interesting to note

[fringe notch]

that'd be interesting to use, unlike "identical sword 1 and identical sword 2"

[keen zealot]

??

I don't see how having only broadswords would change the fact that there are a lot of pretty much identical broadswords

[fringe notch]

that's the thing i love about arkhalis, its not just sword shooty shooty, but it is still good

[keen zealot]

arkhalis is a projectile

[fringe notch]

what i mean, is that almost all the viable weapons are only ones that shoot projectiles

[tardy geyser]

so are spears, you know they mean projectiles that arnt connected to the player

[keen zealot]

but I don't really care

everything that isn't a broadsword is legally a projectile anyways

[fringe notch]

i guess that bows and guns are legally a projectile then /j

[keen zealot]

okay, well they aren't

those specifically aren't

but good luck using bows and guns and don't fire anything

[fringe notch]

that was a joke, as was indicated by the tone indicator in the case that you wouldnt figure it was a joke

[keen zealot]

yes, and I don't care

[grave zinc]

@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[border for altar of accursed]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add An Alternative Upgrade Line for Angel Treads That Is Just Upgraded Angel Treads (Rather Than Tracers)]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@dull ether - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the counter scarf particle color correspond with dye color]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@weary kestrel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add pocket mirror into ankh shield (or upgrades) recipe]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@edgy pagoda - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add variants to Stormlions]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[edgy pagoda]

hell yeah

[hot zephyr]

good suggs all around this week

[hollow shell]

yeh

[hollow shell]

This one is particularly important I think

[hot zephyr]

would the most recent sugg in posting be flagged?

the next patch will kinda make it redundant

now, making lore items display text in item stands is something entirely separate

[edgy pagoda]

my favorite (excluding mine) has to be border for scal

[eternal escarp]

1, why would you want any other reforge that isnt the most optimal
2, this is the one time asking for a config is okay for mod compatability
3, laughably cheap? youre just used to the overpriced rng fest old goblin was

which sucked

besides farming money isnt that easy anymore comparably

[left ice]

Because the only ones that are considered "most optimal" are those that are considered "most optimal" by Calamity's standards. Which may not be what you want. And in my case, isn't. And money is still laughably easy. You can easily do boss grinding for a plat/minute starting in pre-HM, easily up to 10 plat/minute by mid-hardmode.

[eternal escarp]

the ones Calamity mentions as most optimal are, objectively, the most optimal

they have the best boosts out of all reforges

[left ice]

Highest stat boost =/= most optimal. It just equals highest stat boost.

Optimal depends on your build and what you're going for.

[eternal escarp]

...

what build would you want to actuvely hinder your weapons damage

if you mean accessories then thats something else because you can still reroll for warding, menacing, quick etc even at max

[left ice]

Take, for example, arcane. Early game you may wish for the arcane modifier to boost your mana. That's just in regards to vanilla reforges. With other modifiers from other mods, there are potentially even better ones that outright can't be used thanks to Calamity.

[eternal escarp]

then refer to my second point for mod compatibility

[left ice]

That's the thing, that's all you can roll for. You can't roll for some modifiers.

[eternal escarp]

outright removing the mechanic will never happen

the other modifiers are just lesser versions though, why would you want those

[left ice]

The mechanic shouldn't exist in the first place as it completely changes a base-game thing and eliminates a fair amount of vanilla content.

[eternal escarp]

it eliminates no vanilla content that is valuable to gameplay
and yes it changes a base game thing, youre playing a mod for the game

[left ice]

Sure, and everything is just a weaker version of later game things. But that doesn't mean those things shouldn't exist.

[eternal escarp]

those are completely different things though

[left ice]

Not really.

[eternal escarp]

a reforge isnt the same as getting better gear

[left ice]

It is, though. It directly affects how strong you are.

[eternal escarp]

reforges are gated behind mindlessly grinding and RNG
better gear is the definition of progression

[left ice]

No, stats are the definition of progression. Better gear is just a means to that.

[eternal escarp]

or well, reforges are like that in vanilla specifically

[left ice]

Either way, I can see this won't go anywhere in regards to us. I suppose that if people like it, then good for them, but that might be the final nail in the coffin for Calamity for me.

[drowsy plank]

literally the only argument ive seen so far is you want to be able to access arcane

which like, yeah, fair, but id just make the suggestion to be to make arcane more accessible

we've already had suggs about mod compatability

[eternal escarp]

agian the only point for this that i can see is mod compatibility
which is the single time a config for the feature makes sense

unlike other config sugg

if you want to suggest the entire mechanic outright removed you prwctically have 1% of a chance for it to get enough votes

which is, agian, why im saying

sugg it as a toggle for the sole reason of mod compatibility will increase your sugg's chances because it makes sense and isnt a subjective matter

[drowsy plank]

seems like they already checked out of here at least

[eternal escarp]

welp, their loss i guess

[edgy pagoda]

They're complaining about a quality of life thing

I complain about the point of revengeance items being taken away in the last updates

Or mana overloader getting changed to a cringe name

speaking of which anyone know why that got changed

[hot zephyr]

mana polarizer >>>> mana overloader lol

it both sounds better, and more accurately describes the function of the accessory

I'm surprised the goblin tinkerer change was controversial lol

at least, to that guy

not being able to use modded reforges is obviously an issue with the system and there's grounds to make a changelog for compatibility issues

but.... complaining that it's too cheap?

???

[muted osprey]

boo hoo I can't sit and waste my money for 15 minutes just so that I can get my copper pickaxe to legendary

[hot zephyr]

vanilla's modifier system is awful, where a majority of reforges are completely worthless

[edgy pagoda]

It's good to have some variety, but that variety should be there from the beginning, when you obtain the weapon. Reforging is supposed to be an upgrade. Also overloader is cooler

[hot zephyr]

a toggle is something that could be added

hell, reworking arcane to not be actually worthless is something especially valid

currently as it sits, even in the earlygame arcane is totally pointless

[edgy pagoda]

I agree, it would honestly be nice to have modifiers that benefit specific classes

We have arcane and the stealth based ones already

[hot zephyr]

and violent

I don't see how there could be anything interesting for ranger or summoner that wouldn't instantly be shot down due to being stupidly overpowered

[eternal escarp]

or insanely useless long run (ammo conservation

[fringe notch]

arcane did +20 mana right? what does it do now?

[muted osprey]

increases projectile speed

[hot zephyr]

it still is +20 mana

[eternal escarp]

thats all ot does

[hot zephyr]

it has not been reworked

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[muted osprey]

?

[fringe notch]

oh, i thought you were saying it had been reworked

[eternal escarp]

minions grtting anything would be pain
maybe KB but whatever

[hot zephyr]

projectile speed would be useless, and a potential DPS loss on certain weapons

[edgy pagoda]

We are saying it would be

could be

should be

[eternal escarp]

mana regen or less usage idk whatever isnt broken

[muted osprey]

getting kb would be completely useless tbh

[edgy pagoda]

what about modifiers that give a bonus if all your accessories are reforged to that

[eternal escarp]

whips will exist and KB on those helps normal enemies not be a complete annoyance

..thats it

[edgy pagoda]

like a special one

for example insert summoner modifier here having everything reforged to this would give you idk +2 minion slots

[eternal escarp]

sounds really strong

especially earlier when you have less accessories

[edgy pagoda]

it would be slots

[small timber]

if people actually want the reforge to be gone suggestion like these (the 316134124th time this is posted) will have gone through

[eternal escarp]

5 slots prehm compared to 7 endgame

[edgy pagoda]

also like i said just an example

[small timber]

this is on top of the fact that the new suggestion is for it to be REMOVED entirely

[eternal escarp]

yeye

just noting

yeah we basically deducted the sugg dry above, xp

[hollow shell]

Worst take I have ever seen

[edgy pagoda]

The thing is this has a valid argument, other mod modifiers

[eternal escarp]

[edgy pagoda]

This mf wants arcane

[eternal escarp]

its not valid to REMOVE it

its valid for a CONFIG

and nothing else they bring up is valid for either

[small timber]

ya for config sure, increase mod compability

[hollow shell]

Yeah that would definitely be more reasonable

[eternal escarp]

because everything else they said is either subjective or just kinda

[small timber]

removing is just "yo screw you calamity player and your bank, let me have my arcane... 3 minutes later arcane sucks let me reroll menacing"

[eternal escarp]

false

[hollow shell]

@left ice Consider changing your suggestion to be for adding a config, rather than removing the change outright

[hot zephyr]

technically if you're ever considering arcane you're most likely to benefit from lucky instead

[edgy pagoda]

why do they want arcane so much do they play league of legends

[hot zephyr]

because it improves ease of use for a handful of mage weapons earlygame

although it's hyper niche and not really that useful

[hollow shell]

Because not many people are playing with mods that add modifiers, meaning reverting the change will be detrimental to a vast majority of players
If they are playing with such mods, they can toggle the config to get access to full RNG again

[keen zealot]

in 1.4 less useage would be yikes

[left ice]

Done.

[hollow shell]

Also if you want Arcane and it's not accessible within our reforge reroll system then
yeah you can
ask that Arcane get added to the max accessory roll

God damn it why did you say to revert by default

[small timber]

I will be honest make your suggestion the other way around, people will want it more

[hot zephyr]

the rework will never be opt-in

that doesn't make sense

[small timber]

like a config to revert to full rng, rather than a config to use calamity reforge system

[hollow shell]

People will disagree with your suggestion a lot more (see: not vote on it ) if you ask for the rework be off by default

[keen zealot]

^

[eternal escarp]

mhm that was my point above

[edgy pagoda]

Most Calamity changes are enabled by default

For example, the early hm ore rework

And oh god when that was announced a lot of people didn't like it

[eternal escarp]

most togglable cal changes are on by default because they are mostly objectively better

[eternal escarp]

people hate big changes without ever trying them

nowadays i see almost no complaints so lmao

[small timber]

I mean I can see why people hate it on the initial release before ore armors are buffed

but now ya it is pretty fine

[hollow shell]

I've even seen some random people complimenting the EarlyHM rework which for some reason I found to be unexpected

[edgy pagoda]

I was one of the haters at first but after a while I thought "damn this is gonna be sick"

[hot zephyr]

the biggest issue with the early hardmode rework imho applies more to the Calamity hardmode content than the vanilla stuff

because cryonic gating, etc

[edgy pagoda]

of course now im going through calamity burnout and calamity withdrawl at the same time

[small timber]

my only current issue is just how the 3rd mechs matters so little, because of how much boost you get from 2nd mech (unlocking adamantite/titanium)

it is just like, 10% more stat on 3rd mech while player get boosted by like ~30%

(and how hallowed and chlorophyte stacked so much on progression, especially if chlorophyte will be buffed in the future)

[hollow shell]

(@left ice sorry for the constant pings but it seems like you're checked-out of this channel otherwise)

[hot zephyr]

hallowed will be better in 1.4

chlorophyte will eventually be better

i need to check turtle's viability in 1.4 cal

[small timber]

turtle 1.4 have 15% DR, should be viable for tank

it already have decent offensive stat, 1.4 15% DR buff is good

[hot zephyr]

consider

reaver

[small timber]

(wait I misremember turtle bonus to be hallowed which has super good offensive)

[left ice]

Yes, I've seen. Pings are fine, I have "ping if needed" in my desc for a reason". And I'm aware of the votes, but I still think I'll keep my suggestion as is as long as it doesn't break any requirements.

[small timber]

^

[hollow shell]

Alright 🤷

[small timber]

Calamity Reforge System should be on by default (and a config to disable it) rather than the other way around, I think most people likes the new system much more than full rng

[hollow shell]

Just saying, you'll get closer to getting what you want if you flip it the other way around

[tardy geyser]

agreed, im all for having configs for these things as long as they are just for qol changes

[left ice]

Eh, suggestions are like throwing darts blindfolded anyway. You can have the exact same suggestion twice and get 5 stars and 500 stars because the community is weird.

[hot zephyr]

Not really

[left ice]

You absolutely can. I've seen hundred star differences in the exact same suggestions before.

[small timber]

@kindred creek that suggestion is invalid in that developers have no reason to make a fight boring, they will improve on bosses just as they naturally develop the mod more

[hollow shell]

Uhhh

[kindred creek]

Dude, that's basically saying the developers know all

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's a weird counterargument xpcqe lol

[tardy geyser]

isnt he getting a rework with the new sprite?

[kindred creek]

new sprite?

[hollow shell]

He will probably be reworked at least 4 to 8 more times before Calamity is finished

[hot zephyr]

the biggest factors that go into sugg stars imho comes down to wording first and foremost but time of posting and amount of competing suggs dictate a lot

[hollow shell]

New design* rather

No sprite yet

[left ice]

A total rework for something? That never happens (more than once a day).

[hot zephyr]

rover absolutely has a point, you will be fighting an uphill battle for that suggestion over something that really doesn't matter

[hollow shell]

I can totally see there being an issue with, if you're playing a mod that adds more reforges, Calamity locking you out of said reforges with no way for you to turn it off

[hot zephyr]

there's absolutely a case for the config

[hollow shell]

I support the idea behind the suggestion

[hot zephyr]

it would be a near universal approval

[hollow shell]

You just

You should... make the default be the rework, if you want stars
The more stars you get, the more chance it'll get in

[tardy geyser]

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[hot zephyr]

but having the rework be opt-in creates more issues than it solves and seems to be fueled more by a vendetta than actual reasoning

[kindred creek]

Are they making a new sprite based off of this?

[tardy geyser]

concept art, not sprite i mean

[hollow shell]

Yeah the insistence on having off be default just seems like personal spite

[hollow shell]

Yeah

IbanPlay is one of the developers

[kindred creek]

sick

[small timber]

ok I think I phrased that sentence a bit wrongly (since I didnt read the part where it is about "making DoG more worm and less speed machine"), since from the first read I thought it is just "DoG super fast high damage = boring, improve please"

[hot zephyr]

yee iban sprited and designed the aotc rework

[kindred creek]

aotc? What does that stand for?

[small timber]

ark of the cosmos

[true inlet]

oh well guess

it could be nice

you know, could be nice seeing projectile melee become true, and vice versa

[hollow shell]

You have yet to elaborate on why it would be nice

Elaborate on why that concept is appealing to you

[muted osprey]

murasama wit da projectile!!!

[frozen hornet]

Luxor's enchantment

[true inlet]

then you didn't read the shit at all mate

"Reason: it could be nice seeing t melee get projectiles, but at a hefty cost of losing what makes them, well, true melee, size speed and power"

Direct fucking quote

[short walrus]

first off calm down

second off, why

why should melee get this enchantment?

[true inlet]

why would I make insert any projectile melee t melee?

[short walrus]

it makes it much, much stronger in case you hadnt noticed

[hollow shell]

Okay, I can see more reasoning in there than I did at first, thought it was just a restatement of your proposed balance method

[true inlet]

and most t melee weapons wouldn't even suffer that much at that stage

[short walrus]

also, projectile melee bloat

[true inlet]

still, would be funny

cause most t melee dps is like 300k if I remember correctly

or high enough that even half damage wouldn't hurt for shit

[ruby plover]

not really a good reasoning

[hollow shell]

I do still think you could add more to it, even so
Why do you want to see true melee weps lose what makes them distinct?

[true inlet]

Well tainted exists, so I though it would be nice seeing that, but you know, reversed

[short walrus]

"funny" and "it would be cool" aren't valid reasons for implementation.

[hollow shell]

The reason Tainted exists is because it provides extra challenge, cutting down your range in exchange for greater power in that range
and also because projectile melee has been infamously dominant especially in late-game

[true inlet]

those are short answers

[short walrus]

still not good enough.

[muted osprey]

buddy

[true inlet]

for me only good projectile melee's are the exo shank, red sun, illustrious knives and the big ass hammer

[muted osprey]

saying "it would be funny/cool" as a reason in your suggestion is a one way trip to getting denied

[true inlet]

and even then, half of those are just to kill 1 bods

[hollow shell]

This is actually something you can add to your sugg as a reason
An argument for consistency or "fairness"

[small timber]

the thing about tainted is it makes good weapon less viable but give more damage, the thing about your suggestion is it makes (supposedly) unviable weapon more viable, by nerfing the general higher true melee damage down to the point that (ideally) is still stronger than normal projectile melee because it is post scal

[true inlet]

Ahh, thats the word

[muted osprey]

also doesn't red sun do like no damage

in terms of endgame

[true inlet]

70k avg dps, no aiming needed

[muted osprey]

.

that's like one quarter

[true inlet]

TRUE melee

[muted osprey]

what about elemental excalibur or draconic destruction

[true inlet]

Draconic needs a big enemy (leviathan, worms, or providence for example), and e excalibur normal m1 just sucks

red sun, with the mallet and knives are the only viable endgame projectiles imo

[hot zephyr]

keep in mind dev tier is due for a rebalance

one day

[crude geode]

It will be a miracle if dev tier is balanced lol

[true inlet]

yup

ranger is ehh summoner is good enough, rogue has 2 weapons, melee is Busted/weak and mage does a little trolling

[keen zealot]

keep in mind there is still over a month of 2.0.0.001 changelogs we haven't seen yet

[small timber]

it likely will not involve dev tier, because the beta tester themselves say so

maybe 1/2 weapon max, but definitely not "balanced dev tier in cal v2.0"

[crude geode]

Likely have been busy with like. balancing Journey’s end content

Also dev tier has always had at least a few bad eggs in terms of balance lol

[eternal escarp]

dev tier was not balanced in 2.0
not much balancing happaned at all to weapons because everything can just shift randomly

late, but responding anyhow

[frozen hornet]

Mods can control your game's rng clearly

[frozen hornet]

You don't really need to ping a mod for it though

[drowsy plank]

what's the mod gonna do change the drop rates

and in sugg discussion nonetheless

like idk how u thought this was the right course of action at all

yeah

[pure bluff]

#suggestions-posting message when i fought polterghast like ten times in my first playthrough i never even realized it had those summons until i looked at the wiki 💀

[true inlet]

They dont need anything, I know they exist, for a split second

[hollow shell]

I'm a dev too yknow

[hollow idol]

kill the polter summons mercilessly
cold blood
no survivors except the naturally spawning ones

[drowsy plank]

i meant what altraxia said that yall aint gonna go and change the drop rates in the middle of his gameplay session. if he wants to request a buff to the droprate he should just say that instead lol

[true inlet]

nice
so
how much hell is the 1.4 port?

[hot zephyr]

Not in this update

[hollow shell]

Currently chaotic, as both tMod and Terraria are updating as we are also trying to update

[umbral sonnet]

question tho, will the super star shooter be before the star cannon ex?

is that being insterted into the line

[fossil finch]

ex may be removed

[umbral sonnet]

ah

and will the star shooter be buffed?

[umbral sonnet]

^

[fossil finch]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

I think we actually do have plans written down for that hang on

[umbral sonnet]

Thank you

jeez my luck is on fire today

first you

then a rod of discord from my 3rd chaos elemental on the world

[hollow shell]

Super Star Shooter will get a recipe using Star Cannon
Star Cannon EX will now have Super Star Shooter in its recipe

[umbral sonnet]

Yay

[hollow shell]

(The status of Starfleet and Starmada are still up in the air but they may end up not changing)

Oh nevermind that "get a recipe" plan is now obsolete, it was written before 1.4.1

Vanilla already gave SSS a recipe

So that's cool

[umbral sonnet]

thanks alot

[hollow shell]

👍

[night jolt]

For the record, how many stars does a suggestion need for a ✅ ?

[crude geode]

depends on the week

it changes depending on the average

you need to be in the top 25% of suggestions star wise to get moved

[hollow shell]

Yeah, it used to be a flat number requirement which changed every few months in order for us to maintain a roughly 20% delivery ratio (most recent being 200)

Then we decided that it wasn't worth the effort to keep changing the req to maintain that ratio when we can actually tell the bot to deliver the top 20% most starred suggestions of the week

[orchid briar]

MGR reference

[hollow shell]

@halcyon gulch 👎 We already have a designated placeholder theme that doesn't have copyright concerns.

Also you don't have any reasoning
And any reasoning you would have would be "haha funny reference funny armstrong meme funny haha metal rising"

[halcyon gulch]

Fine I'll do it myself

[hollow shell]

I think it is theoretically possible yes

[halcyon gulch]

yes

[novel belfry]

oops I posted by mistake

[true inlet]

copy and delete

[novel belfry]

10 min time between posts

[true inlet]

for me thats an ehh, it isnt usually the damage on shields, but defence/effects, and most people (like a friend who started like 3 months ago), could tell by other stats and utilities alone that X is better than Y

like defence, materials, stage of game, other effects

[cobalt pewter]

this is more of a soc issue than the rest of the items issue

[ruby plover]

i think just a basic base damage thing would be cool, dont need knockback or crit stats cos that would just be description bloat, but i am all for that idea

[novel belfry]

I suppose so too

anyways, i gotta do something, i'll probably check back here soonish

[hollow shell]

@novel belfry Your suggestion is understandable however your title is incomprehensible

[true inlet]

btw @hollow shell , opinions on my enchantment suggestion?

[hollow shell]

That's much better Overdone thank you

[true inlet]

better overdone?

[hollow shell]

Overdone is the name of the user I just pinged with feedback

[true inlet]

oooooh

brain went shrink

but the enchantment idea I had, is it good, bad or what in your opinion?

[hollow shell]

It's not how I personally would have worded that reasoning but it's, fine
Already took enough effort getting to this point

[true inlet]

hm

is nice

I hope people like it

[true inlet]

da rules mate, no pre talking here

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell reference for sake of reference

[pure bluff]

#suggestions-posting message
bro read the pins

suggs for the sake of reference are a dont

@oblique temple

[oblique temple]

whoops

I'll delete it then

[mighty knot]

about the newest one in voting

uhh

afaik he doesn't always give the best reforges

it's a cycle, right?

ending with the best reforges?

soo...

[small timber]

yes, and the poster choose to just, you know, want the rng system back

he didnt violate any rules so the suggestion is let through

[mighty knot]

I guess so

but it's sort of misleading

tinkerer doesn't only give the best reforges

you can get lower quality ones if you want, you just have to reenter the GUI

if the point is that reenabling the vanilla system lets you get reforges other than the 'best' ones then it's sort of misguided isn't it?

[small timber]

(I mean you see the suggestion also complain about Goblin Tinkerer reforge costing too little so do not expect highly)

[mighty knot]

sure

wtv

[dense ferry]

I like how

It's either move it to ML or deletion

[crude geode]

yeah really fantastic options

[dense ferry]

Buffing it is not an option, apparently

Remove every other option to make Terratomere viable :clueless:

[tardy smelt]

move Terratomere to pre-boss

make it de-craftable into its former components over progression

[kindred creek]

the Terratomere it an unnecessary weapon. I don't think since the change I have ever gone and crafted it.

[muted osprey]

make terratomere shoot pee instead of homing projectiles 🥺

[hollow shell]

"In all honesty, it feels like an unnecessary weapon in general as even with its change in progression, the fight against Moonlord is no different given weapons like the Briny Barron exist."
Is this a counterpoint against your own suggestion?

Deleting it is indeed a pretty nuclear option that is incredibly unlikely to happen

You'd be better off asking to rework it to give it more purpose

[muted osprey]

make terratomere true melee

[small timber]

or you can.... just suggest to buff it

instead of deleting it from the game just because another sword is better

the suggestion's basis is literally that "if it is not the best weapon of the tier it should not exist", with the mention like briny baron and true tyrant's ultisword

I can see why terratomere do not fit post-Providence but like, the reasoning is just so extreme

[muted osprey]

remove 90% of the weapons in the game tbh

[hollow shell]

I'm assuming he means to say "their niches are already filled"

Both "niches" being
homing proj melee weapon

which is... a lil broad

[ruby plover]

was the sugg that just got into voting supposed to be flagged or smthn? or am i remembering wrong

[small timber]

nah that one is like... it do suggest on ways to make DoG more interesting, rather than just pure complain (which I assume will be invalid instead)

[hollow shell]

I didn't think it was exclam-worthy but I suppose I coulda been quicker to the draw considering a #changelogs post pertaining to DoG was added after the sugg was made

[small timber]

I do feel it is a bit too broad though

[hot zephyr]

what if True Tyrant's Ultisword was reworked to not be a toenail gun

and then Terratomere remains instead to fill the niche

[frail mantle]

big if true

[tardy smelt]

a what

[muted osprey]

the joke is that the projectiles look like toenails

to me they look more like banan

[tardy geyser]

yharims toenail clippings

[tardy smelt]

fair enough

it definitely looks like an uninspired main weapon

although maybe it could be used as a support weapon alongside Grax with some other weapons like lionheart

Swordstacking

[woven sphinx]

ok i didnt know that

[tardy smelt]

yep

't happens

[woven sphinx]

so this is for general changes

not item suggestions

[tardy smelt]

more or less yeah

[woven sphinx]

so like

[tardy smelt]

say, there's X thing that could generally and demonstrably be a positive contribution to the mod while relatively speaking not being hard to implement, you could suggest about that
alternatively, if X thing is excessive/unfair/wrong/lacking in the mod you could suggest about changing it

elemental and exo bullets are cute and all, but, what purpose do they serve?

[woven sphinx]

idk i feel that bullet progression is lacking

[tardy smelt]

as far as i know, ranger does not have pressing bullet ammo issues neither post-provi nor post-exo's

[woven sphinx]

so there should be more bullets

[tardy smelt]

like, fair, i'll admit that theres not much bullet variety

[woven sphinx]

probably not exo bullets ig

[tardy smelt]

especially not post-moonlord

[woven sphinx]

it just seems right tho

[tardy smelt]

but ranger is still operational and usable without those extra bullet types

[frail mantle]

you can suggest more bullets as long as you don't get too much into the specifics of the "how"

[eternal escarp]

Holy Fire bullets exist at litterally the tier of elemental weaponry
exo bullets arent needed

also luminite bullets

[woven sphinx]

luminite bullets arent that great

[frail mantle]

the "why" is the most important part, if the devs agree with that part they can figure out the "how" on their own

[eternal escarp]

they are just fine last ive seen, and holy fire still exist

and bloodfire right afterward

[tardy smelt]

^

[woven sphinx]

ok

[eternal escarp]

and the God Slayer Bullets basically just live in together with Bloodfire to the end

[woven sphinx]

maybe there should be an endgame ammo

that like combines god slayer and bloodflare

[tardy smelt]

(to be honest holy fire bullets became crazy after some buffs to their explosion projectile if im not mistaken)

then that bullet type would suppress both of those

[eternal escarp]

i believe that was fixed?

[tardy smelt]

huh

[eternal escarp]

im not sure tbh

[tardy smelt]

overthrow balancing

[woven sphinx]

yeah the elemental bullet thing was dumb

[tardy smelt]

AND it would diminish variety in choosing ammo types which is already an issue in ammo

[woven sphinx]

but my main point is there should be more ammo

available

[eternal escarp]

why though?

theres already quite a bit

Holy Fire, Bloodfire, God Slayer Slugs

[woven sphinx]

late game theres pretty much only god slayer slugs

[eternal escarp]

Luminite to a small extent still do exist

Bloodfire still fairs well to endgame

[woven sphinx]

they completely outperform the others

[eternal escarp]

the fact its a tier behind doesnt mean its suddenly bad

[woven sphinx]

in terms of dps

[eternal escarp]

i believe their DPS os fine, plus they provide an interesting side effect of increased life regen

last i checked

so they still do actually, fair really well

[woven sphinx]

well those are two bullets

not sure how holy fire is useful at endgame

[eternal escarp]

and is that not enough considering many guns on tier dont even use ammo normally?

or the idea there arent even many guns at all

[woven sphinx]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Svantechnical

[eternal escarp]

post game is a whole other can of worms

[tardy smelt]

there's also minigun

[eternal escarp]

and even then 2 bullets for 3 guns is enough

[woven sphinx]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Halibut_Cannon

[tardy smelt]

and that yharon gun

[eternal escarp]

i know what guns exist

[woven sphinx]

these endgame weapons dont modify bullets

[tardy smelt]

and i think tyranny's end, but i think it uses custom bullets?

[eternal escarp]

yhar gun fires half special ammos half normal iirc so

[woven sphinx]

there are many more

[eternal escarp]

it does use custom

[tardy smelt]

weird gun lo

[woven sphinx]

but that doesnt matter anyways

they usually modify musket balls

[eternal escarp]

and no i still believe there arent that many guns to justify the need for more then basically 3 bullets

esp because even if there were more bullets added
no one will use the otheres since there would be no point

[woven sphinx]

but bullets are what make the ranged class interesting

[eternal escarp]

its not like adding variety you just outdate a bullet

[woven sphinx]

or what would

if there were more choices

[eternal escarp]

what makes ranger interesting is that it has many weapon types
rockets, flamethrowers, bows

youre missing those in your thinking

[woven sphinx]

it wouldnt outdate them if they were similar in performance

[woven sphinx]

yeah they do too

but the choice of bullets also makes it pretty interesting

[eternal escarp]

by that logic why arent you fighting for more arrows

[woven sphinx]

i am

im using bullets as an example

i mean more ammo

[eternal escarp]

the entire class had variety and theres variety in the variety
is there really a need for more bullets

[woven sphinx]

if you think we dont need variety

than whats wrong with an endgame bullet

[tardy smelt]

it has the potential to do so

[woven sphinx]

than outperforms everything else

[tardy smelt]

however, the execution of ammo is honestly really lackluster

[woven sphinx]

yeah i know

thats why im saying there should be more

with unique effects

[tardy smelt]

the idea of having you mix-match guns and ammo's is really cute on paper

but in reality, theres often only one ammo type on each progression tier for each weapon type that overshadows all the other ones

[woven sphinx]

ik thats why im saying it should change

[tardy smelt]

...or that ammo is used by three different weapons and has no use outside of that

and the mix-matching is very rare

[tardy smelt]

i get that

sadly, a big part of the class is balanced around this current state of affair

[woven sphinx]

ik it probably wont happen

and would probably take too much time

but i just thought talking about the idea would be nice

[tardy smelt]

and changing the two biggest types of ammo's, arrows and bullets, for mixing-and-matching will require the rebalancing of hundreds of weapons that use them

which is, yeah, go figure

[tardy smelt]

thats fair

and my take on said idea is that, while i agree with it to some extent, its just not feasible to implement due to the sheer scope of it balance-wise

[woven sphinx]

yeah fair enough

i think thats the case too

The clone shouldnt be able to die

polterghasts clone

it makes the boss too easy imo

[tardy smelt]

refer to my nickname

to suggest that i'd recommend surveying dozens of people on that change to polterghast to be able to approach making an argument like that

[woven sphinx]

ok

but how do i do that

[tardy smelt]

if you can manage that, be my guest, maybe your suggestion will get more traction in in-dev voting

[woven sphinx]

honestly

ill post a poll on the subreddit if that works

[tardy smelt]

perhaps

just ask people about it (and no, i can't say anything on the matter because i haven't fought the latest iteration of polterghast)

[woven sphinx]

i have no one to ask

no one close to me plays calamity

[tardy smelt]

it can just be folks in #calamity-mod-talk

[tardy smelt]

byeah, about the ammo suggestion and this

Darts, unironically, do this quite well

[woven sphinx]

i agree

[tardy smelt]

rather than being stronger than other darts on their tier, early hardmode dart types all work better in different situations, with different functionalities, strengths and weaknesses

[woven sphinx]

yeah

[tardy smelt]

and on that tier, darts masterfully achieve that sweet succulent mix-and-match gameplay that ammo should provide, even though it is on a small scope

honestly, that gives me an idea

what would happen if you were to rebalance poison darts to be similar in strength overall to cursed/ichor/crystal darts (e.g. usable with dart pistol/rifle), except tuned to single-target DPS (which is a niche that none of the other three quite fully fulfill)

and then you rebalance blowpipe and blowgun to not be absolutely busted with the newly buffed poison darts

it would complement the early hardmode dart guns pretty well and give them yet some more strategy to the loadouts you use them with

[crude geode]

Sounds like a headache for something extremely minor

[eternal escarp]

@oak drum cant suggest for future content, plus no reasoning

[oak drum]

better?

[eternal escarp]

reread my sentence

specifically the first 5 words

[oak drum]

ok

mayhaps, but since it's bound to happen, who would it be dedicated to? imagine if it's Fab

[eternal escarp]

lolno

[oak drum]

aight, ima disapparte from this chat here

[fringe notch]

Also incorrect formatting of a suggestion

[eternal escarp]

doesnt matter better to let it be deleted by autobot lol

[tardy smelt]

i'd assume that changing the stats of one dart type, and then rebalancing two other weapons that use it around the time it can be acquired isn't that high-effort overall

[night jolt]

Are enchantment suggestions exempt from the "No specific item suggestions" rule?

[eternal escarp]

depends
are you going to be specific?

or is it a broad idea

could send whatever your sugg is here first if you want to be fully sure

[night jolt]

Yeah

[clear forge]

Will rogue with a full stealth loadout get nerfed in 1.4? I havent seen much about it in the changelogs maybe someone or I could post a suggestion for lowering stealth damage or smth?

[small timber]

tester do say major balance changes will not be come out right at the 1.4 port, however balance changes will be soon after 1.4 port is completed

basically 1.4 port is priority first (maybe nerf like, super overpowered weapon like OSG and thats it)

and ya, "lowering stealth damage" suggestion will not work, because there are rogue weapon that have balanced stealth strike and those that are broken with it
can't really just say "nerf all of them", it will make weak/balanced weapon unplayable

buff/nerf requires testing

[clear forge]

True yeah there are some minorites that make stealth class stupidly overpowered

thank you for the feedback I got curious for future rogues statistics

[small timber]

the (rogue) beta testers do say eventually (soon™) they will rework on how stealth (damage) work to make those extreme case of overpowered stealth strike more balance though, but soon™

[clear forge]

👍

[muted osprey]

how to nerf OP stealth strikes: remove stealth

[ruby plover]

nooo not my baby

[small timber]

it will be a miracle if they didnt nerf it, eventhough the patch is 1.4 port focus

and you probably contributed a lot to the publicity of nerfing OSG can't blame anyone else just kill DOG with it LOL

[heavy walrus]

ahem what weapon is osg im confused

[small timber]

overloaded sulphuricacid gatlingcannon

[ruby plover]

[ruby plover]

ah shit

I mean all jokes aside I am willing to see it nerfed into the ground

[small timber]

ya it is just slightly overpowered, only slightly

[ruby plover]

I have my clip of me one shotting phase 2 of deus with it. I’ve had my fun

[clear forge]

Deep sea dumbell is also too op, just charge it, with stealth stealth and with adrenaline. Thats like 10x or more damage boost

but like if you miss so much potential is wasted

[ruby plover]

Exactly, that’s stealth rogue for you

You gotta play it smart

Which is what makes it cool

[small timber]

ya the main rogue tester do acknowledge deep sea dumbell so eventually (soon™, probably post 1.4 port) it will get nerf

it is a cool weapon but ya, 2 shotting old duke is a bit

[night jolt]

Ah yes, it's so broken with how often you can get the strong hit

[grim tusk]

Eventually it’ll get balanced, especially after some plans with the class.
There are several outliers and we know, they’ll eventually get dealt with

[grim tusk]

Stupid meme item

[grim tusk]

Back to 1.4 era where you had to be creative as fuck to use em effectively and still most of the time it was not worth the effort

[drowsy plank]

damn i know this was just a bad meme but this actually looks kinda cool lmao

[tardy valley]

Make terarria 2

[stark shuttle]

Mobile

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell

[pure bluff]

you cant meme here

[gray nebula]

FAIL

@dusty sapphire

[dusty sapphire]

where

oh

damn you guide

still, it should be switched to smooth navystone for logical reasons

[fossil finch]

Mobile

[dusty sapphire]

what

[round ravine]

@stark shuttle
No.

They posted about it, but that was an April Fools joke.

[stark shuttle]

I know but mobile

[round ravine]

You're not getting a mobile port. Forget it.

[neat linden]

ah yes, just "mobile"

no explanation

just a single word

[round ravine]

My thoughts exactly.

[sand ermine]

mobile port will come out in 3

[pure bluff]

centuries

[sand ermine]

3

[soft quest]

novacentillion years when the universe has reset 4 times and the devs in that universe make a mobile port

[pure bluff]

how many zeros is novacentillion

[neat linden]

at least 2

[pure bluff]

nah i think at least 1

typo

[soft quest]

centillion has 303 zeros so novacentillion would have 330 zeros i think

[candid dove]

Novemcentillion, not nova

[soft quest]

yeah that

[pure bluff]

what does "novanovem" mean in numbers

[candid dove]

9

un, duo, tre, quattuor, quin, sex, septen, octo, novem

[pure bluff]

o ok

thank u for the math lesson

[candid dove]

They're Latin cardinal numerals