suggestions-discussion

[golden tulip]

why is it always meta yea

[tepid wadi]

People do come to my dms but I do not mind.

[eternal escarp]

i just find it funny its specifically, a spriter

[golden tulip]

surely the people with compliments outweigh the amount of people like that ?

[ashen warren]

oh bruh

[eternal escarp]

either way

[tepid wadi]

I am like a jack of all trades.

[ashen warren]

but the mod is fun though

[eternal escarp]

porting the entire mod to a mobile terraria is like

never happening

[golden tulip]

you wouldve loved april 1st here

[tepid wadi]

The mod is indeed fun, but we have no intentions on porting it to mobile.

[ashen warren]

most phones are pretty powerful

my phone has a snapdragon 665

[eternal escarp]

thats not

the issue

[ashen warren]

its coding

i know

[tepid wadi]

Hardware is not relevant to this decision.

[eternal escarp]

why would legality be an issue if the software isnt shady

[ashen warren]

as in how the main terraria devs would feel

[eternal escarp]

why would that be, an issue aswell?

[ashen warren]

let me reword that

[eternal escarp]

i mean regardless

it doesnt matter really
calamity, nor really any mod in existance will bother making a mobile / switch / whatever port

[ashen warren]

I'm done trying to convince y'all im going to fail

[west jackal]

Yeah cause they literally aren’t allowed to make mods for mobile lmao

[gray nebula]

Yes!!!

because we hate mobile

we treat mobile terraria players with Extreme prejudice in this discord

[fossil finch]

does tlpro even actually load mods

[ashen warren]

yeah

[golden tulip]

how

wtf

lmao

what mods are supported on there

[fossil finch]

texture packs are not mods

[hot zephyr]

the most complicated way possible to say

borealis bomber needs autofire because its annoying to use

[inner anvil]

Too much Borealis Bomber talk but too little Slime Puppet Staff talk.

[rain blaze]

Ik, I tend to get wordy.

[hot zephyr]

you can compress it down and it'll be valid

your choice though

[rain blaze]

I'll probably have another look at it and maybe reduce it if I find some spare time for it.

[orchid briar]

When the suggestion is two words💀

[ashen warren]

Buff Murasama

[mossy badge]

the same person said the same phrase more or less 2 out of 3 of the times its been said

weird and very random observation by me

[grim tusk]

I sense salt

[ruby plover]

ah yes, buff murasama

[sand ermine]

Murasama doesn't need a buff

It's just the guy who's bad at using it

[distant gyro]

that says muramasa

but still

funny suggestion

[sand ermine]

yeah

What's the point of the Muramasa in the first place

I only use it to get Night's Edge

[distant gyro]

to make night's edge!

[sand ermine]

It just doesn't work as a melee option imo

To me, if it turned into a crafting recipe only I would find that fine

[ruby plover]

oh wait i'm dumb, it do be muramasa

tbf there's no real reason to use it, cos as soon as you can use it you already have access to all the materials to craft nights edge

[sand ermine]

yeag

i mean

maybe it could be useful if you're doing some random "i can only use x color stuff"

but ehhhhhh

Nobody does that though

[ruby plover]

funny you should mention that lol, once 1.4 calam drops imma do a purple/blue items only pt

except, you know, nights edge is purple, so....

[sand ermine]

Of course, you are the definition of those colors

When 1.4 Calamity drops I'm gonna do my first Mage playthrough

(1.4 calamity isnt releasing anytime soon)

[short walrus]

1. no future content Suggs
2. we have no idea what the Devs will do for yharim yet

[ashen warren]

Ohh I see

Sorry

[errant cloud]

hello daily suggestion opinion post #2:

• changing right-click weapons to be used like TBB's attunement swap is overly excessive, and the issue at hand can instead be fixed simply by checking for whether right mouse button is already pressed and held down, so that other things (chests, NPCs, etc) aren't accidentally activated while using true melee or whatever else uses RMB beforehand (tldr: if button down for active use on relevant item, disable everything other than said item until RMB is released, bla bla)

• the telegraph change suggestion with doggo is cool so long as the sound is not aggravating. i would prefer sound cues over visual ones because its harder for sounds to overwhelm the player versus visuals

• the borealis bomber suggestion is a lot of fluff but when skimmed down to not crazy amounts of text, yes, giving it autoswing seems like a good idea from a glance. i'm also curious as to why the optimal summoner run seems to require no slotless weapons other than bomber from mid-hardmode all the way to scal, sounds at first like there's a lack of slotless weapons. maybe more should be added, who knows

ted talk done i go back to cmt/1.4 port chats now

[rain blaze]

I believe someone else did also suggest adding another slotless weapon. I'd definitely also like to see more of them be added, but I also wonder if it's not a matter of not wanting to overcommit to something that might end up being superfluous when whips will be integrated.

[crude geode]

Considering 1.4 port is happening right now it sounds superfluous

[rain blaze]

I wouldn't mind slotless weapons and whips coexisting as valid alternatives for different playstyles, but it's probably something that should wait so they can be properly balanced relatively to each other.

[drowsy plank]

slotless weapons are very fun and i kinda wish there were more and also had autoswing, would be nice to not get carpal tunnel while also providing a good alternative to whips

[sand ermine]

@plush stag Wrong format

also no explained reason as to why you want the change

js

[hollow shell]

Also you might wanna look into the Ark weapons

They do exactly this

[sand ermine]

This ^^^

[plush stag]

I almost don't need an explaination, theres virtually no reason to use true melee past the mech bosses. It'll make true melee swords more usable and appreciable, giving them slightly more purpose

[sand ermine]

You need to explain the reason why you want this change/addition for your suggestion to be valid.

[plush stag]

I just did. Another reason i have is to make true melee only playthroughs more possible pass expert mode

[sand ermine]

#suggestions-voting #suggestions-posting

Explain it thoroughly, and also provide more reasoning

[plush stag]

Most ark weapons shoot projectiles/arent true melee. Also allowing true melee swords to decrease the damage of the projectile they hit, is different from wiping them or granting full out immortality(which're a tad less realistic imo)

[plush stag]

I see

[plush stag]

Do i have to send a mail then

[hollow shell]

@frozen hornet ???

[hollow shell]

"realistic" is a fun argument

[frozen hornet]

I'm sorry what did I do

I was away from my phone

[hollow shell]

Sent a video and random characters, something involving fire

[frozen hornet]

Oh god

Thank you for deleting

[hollow shell]

[sand ermine]

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah if you do think more melee weps need ark-lile proj damage reduction, you can suggest it, as long as you have a separate paragraph or two explaining the reason why (separated from your title line using a line break aka Shift+Enter)

[plush stag]

it is, imagine the overwhelmingly useless keybrand cutting the damage a brimstone skull in half

[hollow shell]

You literally need a reason or else the bot won't be able to process it

[plush stag]

Forgot to tag lol

[hollow shell]

It will definitely not get applied to all true melee weapons

so try to lessen your scope

[plush stag]

I know, that would be too convenient

[hot zephyr]

Enforcer:

[west jackal]

Yeah because people can cut energy bolts with a sword irl lmao

[novel belfry]

this
even tho i use weaponout's voodoo doll to avoid this anyways

[small timber]

I feel like if anything the "general true melee" even if given a large universal function like this, should be reduce contact damage not projectile

[novel belfry]

actually, the phase sabers and phaseblades are based on lightsabers... and those are famed for somehow deflecting energy bolts
so those weapons (or a upgrade) could cut projectiles

[west jackal]

@elder path last prism

[pure bluff]

why is it even called ohio beam

and if you make the weapon form of ohio beam significantly different that its not too similar to last prism and its upgrades which is literally ohio beam then what is the point of making it a weapon

[frozen hornet]

ohio beam is called ohio beam because of a meme that happened during exo mechs testing

@elder path you need a reason for why they should add it

[elder path]

Ohio

[frozen hornet]

the state of ohio is not a reason, no

[crude geode]

@hollow shell sis

[small timber]

"you are going to ohio" is the reason

[cobalt pewter]

is it specific? I mean it's a dumb sugg but it's like, one short sentence

lmao

[frozen hornet]

It's suggesting an item that behaves specifically like the ohio beam

[small timber]

I think is just wants a last prism that is literally ohio beam projectile?

[elder path]

Ohio

[cobalt rose]

shitposting in #suggestions-posting actually

[hollow shell]

Yeah

@elder path If you want to write a legitimate suggestion based on that, then you can, but please format it properly and include a reason beyond it having a funny name

[ruby plover]

would i need dps tests to suggest a rework to the cosmic rainbow

i just used it and, after i fired it, none of my other weapons worked because it reached the projectile cap on it's own

so, it's not so much of a dps problem, and more of a "it creates a huge expanse of projectiles which all share the exact same i-frame timer" problem

[unique vector]

its also boring

i have a rework outline for it lol

[hollow shell]

Nah, not in this context

[ruby plover]

ah, in that case i shouldn't bother ig

[hollow shell]

In fact that sounds like it might be worth reporting to #bugs-read-pins if it's particularly egregious

[ruby plover]

i might but also like... i was using a nohit world

thus, when i fired it, the rainbow had the opportunity to extend as far down as possible

[hollow shell]

Well that's still kind of an issue that it (sounds like it) has no length limit, and consumes an unbounded amount more of the proj cap depending on how high up you are when you fire it

[ruby plover]

tru, tru

[hollow shell]

It's still a weird weapon tho and could prolly get a rework

Weird and old

maybe also a rename too

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Cosmic_(disambiguation)

[frail mantle]

dreaded mgrr references

the mod already has too many of them

[small timber]

ah yes the perfect dmca strike

@teal basin the thing about references, is that usually they resemble something from another media/games, but only resembles, no matter if it is obvious or not
when you straight up bringing every single aspect about the reference by blantantly stealing from the reference source it is no longer reference, just copying

+copy right so it is not possible

@karmic quiver what kind of "enchantment" are you referring to?

[karmic quiver]

The thing you get from the scal npc

[muted osprey]

there's literally only one thing called enchantment in this mod bruh

[small timber]

I mean... do you really need to farm money or rare item after you beat scal, one of the two final boss currently in the game?

it comes abit too late if that is the enchantment

[karmic quiver]

I just thought that'd be the easiest way to add it, idk how else you'd do it

[small timber]

like probably accessories? will be the closest thing

I am also not sure about it, since usually calmaity already have vanilla recipe for rare vanilla drops

while for things like previous legendary (or now 10% drop), they are meant to be rarer

so adding an item that make them easier to obtain is slightly counterintuitive

if anything the closest idea to what you want will be vanilla coin ring/greedy ring upgrade

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/1.0
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page diamond ring for a direct link or !wiki search diamond ring for a list of all hits.

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/1.1.7.701
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page coin ring for a direct link or !wiki search coin ring for a list of all hits.

[small timber]

upgrade to this

[teal basin]

Understood have a great day

[hollow shell]

funny mgr

The pain of something becoming a meme

[frail mantle]

_ _

[golden tulip]

perish

dust away

avradacadavra

whoosh

blam

[eternal escarp]

@limber hatch thats not how you format a suggestion, plus you need a valid reason, plus what?????

[half sage]

also new boss suggs are a don't

wait this is more of a powerup ig

[eternal escarp]

either way it has -10% chance of getting approved

In the lore of slime god, it says that the slime god would be nearly unstoppable.
i could be wrong but im quite certain this is said nowhere

[frail mantle]

Also boss suggestion

[limber hatch]

lore item

[limber hatch]

Also I edited it thanks.

[small timber]

I could had been unstoppable, except that the player killed it

[eternal escarp]

alright, guess i stand corrected
...but this is still like very barren reasoning

its kinda just saying "itd make sense" but in other ways

it cant be stronger, you killed it.

[small timber]

in fact most of the bosses in the lore (eg: evil bosses, providence, even dog) would had been unstoppable if allowed to grow, then the player just killed it

[eternal escarp]

^

[limber hatch]

Alright, I'll go delete everything

Brb

All done

[small timber]

ya, kinda need stronger reasoning for that other than lore, since buffing a boss post their progression is kinda... weird

even the current one like buffed brimstone/calclone, aureus, ravager already feels extremely weird, that you have to refight them at random points of the game

[eternal escarp]

tbf stronger reasoning wouldnt help the idea is just, why

[small timber]

ya, that too

[limber hatch]

I was just interested in slime god after reading the lore for the first time as I actually just threw the lore item after the first time that I beat it and never bothered reading it

[muted osprey]

MGRR sugg numero 50184728295772

[small timber]

ah yes the raiden hf blade that got broken at the end of the game

totally not just inferior to murasama, lets add it because reference

[eternal escarp]

wow theres a lot more "add MGRR reference 200000854" suggestions lately

[half sage]

wow "reference for the sake of reference" and "no scaling items" don'ts in one package

[frail delta]

Well. I've finally worked up the courage to put in my one nitpick for the game

[eternal escarp]

(its Draedon)

[frail delta]

Oof

I guess I'm just a fake fan who's lying to themself

You would think after 100 hours in calamity 1.5 I would know how to spell the bosses names

[small timber]

(it is still Draeden)

[frail delta]

Shit

What do you mean

nervous laughter

I am fully prepared to get absolutely no votes for it though

[small timber]

I think this might be like, one of the most voted suggestion of this week

[frail delta]

Realistically it's a pointless nitpick, but the ever so slight ocd from when I tried building with the projector has managed to stick with me to this day

[small timber]

you will be surprise how much people vote for small nitpicks that is very agreeable like this

[frail delta]

Really?

[small timber]

(the highest voted suggstion of all time is to change the direction of an arrow)

[eternal escarp]

usually visual changes like this get a lot of votes yes

[frail delta]

Huh. Neat

[eternal escarp]

because usually, its visual oversights

and why would people not want an oversight to be corrected

[frail delta]

Well it might lead to me building another sci fi lab because all the lab blocks are so much fun

[frail mantle]

visual oversights are small enough that people don't need to read through the entire thing to know if they agree but major enough that people can go "wow yeah now that you mentioned it that is kinda annoying" and support it

[golden tulip]

shrine items already getting reworked

[golden tulip]

config options for goblin tinkerer rework seems to be an often reposted suggestion

[small timber]

@royal thicket an exactly the same suggestion as what you are suggesting is in #suggestions-voting , simply go vote on it instead

Since it is very recent (like 1-2 days?) It is kinda duplicated suggestion

[royal thicket]

ty my b

theres a ton of suggestions in that and i didnt see it lol

[small timber]

Ya for me it says May 3rd (today 5th) so scroll up a bit and you will see

[grim tusk]

@silent obsidian scaling items are a no, also just a reference and no actual reasoning

[eternal escarp]

their sugg cant pass anyways

[small timber]

I still feel like the money/drop enchantment suggestion is kinda iffy

Post-scal money/rare drop farm enchantment is way too late

[drowsy plank]

1.4 increases pirate drop rates so honestly i dont think this is even a huge deal, luck potions too

[errant cloud]

Hello daily suggestions opinion post #3: mobile edition

Allowing draedon projectors to be placed facing either direction: yes, simple tweak, is on the verge of being a bug, either way i don't mind it being fixed. Cool beans

Adding two enchantments, one that prevents item drops in exchange for x% more money, and the other for having x% more item drops and no money: the former is completely fine, the latter is more questionable. I think the best route to go about this is by only having the enchantment effects apply to non-boss NPCs, or by having a reduced % for bosses (e.g, regular enemies drop 100% more items, but bosses drop ~25% more items instead, or something to that nature)

Making biome treasure accessories recipe items for better accessories later on in game progression: sure, seems fine, I'll vouch. haven't used most of them, but the example given (luxor's gift) does seem like a valid one

Today is a sleepy day, I shall now go back to other chats

ww~

[hot zephyr]

@pastel crow fungal symbiote upgrade isn't real it cannot hurt you

[errant cloud]

Fungal symbiote upgrade:

rrrrrRRRRRR

[sleek wadi]

Fungal Symbiote my beloved

[grim tusk]

Unstable prism my beloathed

[pastel crow]

[hollow shell]

Shrine items are going to lose their unique grouping and get converted into normal but separate items

I dunno how soon that is slated, it might even already be in for the next update, but I'd have to check

[small timber]

Doesnt cal vanity added an adult eidolon wyrm pet?
Because in cal's own context befriending aew will make 0 sense

[half sage]

yea just get calval for the pet

it's the same size

[small timber]

Ok in that case...

@wheat ocean you can "befriend" adult eidolon wyrm with calamity's vanities mod throught the form of a pet

For calamity's own context (or "befriend" the real boss itself) it will really make 0 sense considering the status of the boss and you will need stronger reasoning than just a funny youtube video

[wheat ocean]

oh calamity vanities exist

[fossil finch]

Hectique is ashamed of his past

[distant gyro]

jared no longer exists

[frail mantle]

It’s true

Declared by hec himself

[muted osprey]

WHAT

[frail mantle]

Take a seat, young discord user

[cobalt pewter]

damn

[cobalt heath]

Jared will always exist in our hearts

[muted osprey]

ok but

if i

tore your heart out

[cobalt heath]

try me

[cerulean trench]

the heart still exists

[cerulean trench]

how ya doin, muramasa

[zenith bronze]

this might not be original

most likely

but a endgame armor for all classes

[drowsy plank]

demonshade?

[zenith bronze]

what

[drowsy plank]

demonshade is all class

[zenith bronze]

ffs

[drowsy plank]

i know that's being changed next update, but even then you have gem tech

which is also all class

if you mean one for each class then exo and demon will be covering that

next update

think it's the same split as god slayer and silva or something?

[grim tusk]

Wrong

Demonshade will be dmg set

Exo is tank

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[grim tusk]

Demonshade will have 3 helms
Melee, Ranger/Rogue, Mage/Summoner

[drowsy plank]

huh

[small timber]

does Exo armor have stealth

[grim tusk]

Maybe the 1.5 FAQ could be found in #calamity-update-talk deep down

[grim tusk]

Cant tell since its not even in beta yet

[small timber]

ok ya make sense, just thought worth bringing it up since like, except gemtech no multiclass armor have stealth?

[grim tusk]

Also Gemtech ≠ Exo armor

[grim tusk]

Makes sense

Gemtech is special cuz dev/donnor item

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's why i explicitly mentioned it as a seperate thing

gonna be weird to have two... effectively all class armors i guess? if they both only have one helm. that are made of the same stuff

[zenith bronze]

so the next calam update is the 1.4 port??????

im so confuised

[small timber]

wow people reaaalllllyyy hate worm dr huh

[dapper thicket]

not really but someone else's post got me thinking about it an I thought this was a pretty elegant solution.

[small timber]

tbh I still think they just make every worm boss spawn the DoG way, head vulnerable straight away but body/tail no hitbox instead of worm dr

since the most annoying part is still how it stops all damage instead of piercing/cheesing damage, if you can hit the head you can still deal normal damage

[dapper thicket]

it only really bothered me during boss rush

[grim tusk]

Yes

[lilac niche]

Calamity Lunatic mode when?

At some point, no further stats change. That should be kept for armageddon mode.

Just more things.

[frozen hornet]

There's no need for another mode

Malice is already one too much

[lilac niche]

Let's say... ummn... this mode is intended to be played not by a human.

Maybe a programmed AI could beat it.

[frozen hornet]

So literally nobody would play it

Meaning no one could enjoy the work put into it

making it

Literally pointless

[lilac niche]

Lol...

Maybe as a joke against some people who keep asking for harder modes so they could watch youtubers die 100+ times.

[small timber]

the thing is this "joke" will require extreme amount of effort to put into it

and also believe me, unless it is released on april fools only people will think it is malice 2.0 where it is meant to be beaten

and complain about it massively

[lilac niche]

Ooh...

On a more serious note, players get better fast.

Not so long ago, kaizo mario was deemed almost impossible.

[small timber]

I mean if they get better fast they still have many options

they can play higher difficulty, if they want to be harder even nohit, malice, hardcore etc

the mod should be more considerate of the "average players" where they come back after work/school and want to play some game for like 2 hours for fun

not everyone is hardcore nohitters

[lilac niche]

Yeah...

Kinda...

This mod is already kinda like dark soul of terraria as it stands.

[small timber]

hence why the mod actually relaxed alot more for revengeance and below, and death and above become harder

so that the player can choose the exact experience they desired (instead of previously where rev is not too much easier than death)

[lilac niche]

I mean... there are fans who like watching youtubers.

And the youtubers are pressured to make more ridiculous challenges.

[small timber]

I mean that will be up to the youtubers

they can do really absurd things without needing the mod to add in an extra difficulty that as you describe, is near impossible for human

because then at that point the only youtuber that can make video on it is an AI programmer developing a terraria calamity player open learning AI that manage to beat the boss after like 300k simulations fight figuring out the perfect move 1 by 1

[lilac niche]

Maybe I'll do such a bot one day.

Actually, I have an idea for a ridiculously hard boss.

First, create a 3d path.

Then, that path is safe. 2 space axes, one time axis.

Then draw random straight lines that do not intersect the path.

Draw a lot of them.

Then, we will get a pattern which is always theoretically beatable but insanely hard.

The only requirement of the bullet hell genre is that it is theoretically beatable.

[small timber]

terraria is not a "bullet hell" game, the game movement literally do not support that unless you have permanent Exo Box
also ya this is going off topic

[lilac niche]

Yeah...

I mean... I could suggest using the said technique on some superbosses.

The 3d worm intersection method.

[small timber]

I mean those kind of thing dont usually come from suggestion, + you have to make the public understand the internal coding if that is the case (to get enough vote)
also that likely will be denied because it is way too specific for a suggstion, considering the devs do have plans on bosses (and future bosses)

[lilac niche]

Yeah lol...

[vocal grotto]

Difficulty modes have diminishing returns as the difficulty increases
The more difficult, the less people who can actively derive enjoyment from the mode itself
Eventually it reaches a point where the development/testing costs outweigh the potential gain of the effort

It's not necessarily that it can't be done as much as it is that there'd be no real point

And that's not even factoring in long-term maintainability of the mode itself, since balance is always changing and modes may end up in a different state of balancing even if it itself received no changes, but the base bosses/relevant equipment did

[grave zinc]

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[golden tulip]

lets go

[errant cloud]

oh wait

nice

[fringe notch]

Get real, people would still beat it

[frail mantle]

maybe but nobody would have fun doing it

[fringe notch]

No, people probably wouldn't, I'm just saying that people would probably still find a way

[cobalt pewter]

y'all are fucking weird yo

[frozen hornet]

If it's only beatable by an AI then no, no one's gonna do it

[golden tulip]

new difficulty

TAS

[cobalt pewter]

@fringe notch first off, the bit in spoiler tag is unnecessary

second off, new boss is unlikely, but I guess SG can be changed up, depending on how bad the boss is atm

[distant gyro]

adding a new boss doesn't seem to address that issue

[cobalt pewter]

depends on Fab ig

[fringe notch]

I said or just incase no one wanted a change to SG

[cobalt pewter]

so you proposed an idea that's even less likely to be realised than SG changes?

[fringe notch]

No, I was mostly just suggesting for SG changes

[cobalt pewter]

might as well not mention new boss at all

[fringe notch]

I had already removed it a little after I was pinged

[small timber]

if that is the case ya, the suggestion title do not really reflect you your intent is
if your suggestion is to buff slime god maybe
if your suggestion is to buff slime god by reworking it ya, it is diasllowed for suggestion, in fact any large scale boss rework is don't for suggestion

therefore I think just change the title to "Buff Slime God" instead, otherwise the rework title will simply dont get pass

[fringe notch]

By rework I didn't mean completely change, that was probably a bad word choice

[small timber]

ya probably need to use the more appropriate wording for what you want, since rework generally is associated with completely changing all behavior of the boss

[fringe notch]

Anyways, fixed title

[cobalt pewter]

there's a merit in revisiting SG, definitely

the mod has changed a lot yet SG hasn't really adapted to it

[small timber]

though I still think you probably can add stronger reasoning (because you need to convince people slime god is too weak, and because difficulty is subjective there will definitely be people who claim it is not weak)

you can mention things like Skyline Wings (first pre-HM wing) being available, Abyss shadow chest drops are too powerful for slime god, Frostspark Boots can simply outrun Slime God etc...

tbh ya (personally) I do think SG need a slight rework (or at least massive buff in some way), but since it is disallowed from suggestion to just "rework things" so ya

[short walrus]

Probably kill times too

[small timber]

most notably the "jump" that slime god do to fall on your head literally do not work if you move in a straight line, because it will always just fall behind you

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the slam attack doesn't really have much merits unless you're already crowded, in that case it can be hard to get out sometimes

[small timber]

queen slime (post 1.4 port) do add opportunity to improve the attack though, since they can make the slam to be QS slam instead

and make it like, aim slightly ahead of the player to force direction change, instead of what it currently does

[fringe notch]

I'll edit to mention reasoning and proof very soon, busy atm, but than I'll write in the suggestion, why it's in need of a buff

[golden tulip]

ravager slime god lets go

[eternal escarp]

@narrow nimbus you should explain why the weapon should have a slight (presumably mechanical) change

[narrow nimbus]

Just edited it.

[eternal escarp]

not sure if the explanation really adds to the suggestion

[narrow nimbus]

I'll be adding more

[eternal escarp]

youd want to explain things like

the weapon currently doesnt play well and or needs to be changed mechanically to behave better

etc etc

[narrow nimbus]

Is this better or should I add more?

@eternal escarp

[small timber]

ideally add some kill time on bosses with the weapon to convince people the weapon do need a buff/below average compare to other similar-tier weapons

(with the gear you use like armor, accessories... of course)

although since you do say the stealth strike is fine (?) just the normal attack is not, it will be abit weird for suggesting to buff the weapons' normal/spam attack since rogue weapons are generally meant to be based on their stealth strike, with stealth strike (generally) being more rewarding than just spamming

[narrow nimbus]

True, but I mean as the stealth strike just adds two falling stars and a damage buff. It seems fine that way especially when the main projectile is going to change.

[small timber]

ya in that case just base your suggestion on the sprite/projectile change only, rather than also include a damage buff to the weapon

since if the only problem is with how underwhelming the projectile seems but not the damage, no need to go do the extra work of testing the weapons

[narrow nimbus]

Since I said "it should linger an actual Cross" The damage output should be getting higher.

Especially against slower enemies and bosses

[small timber]

I mean they should be able to make it purely visual? not sure

[narrow nimbus]

What do you mean by that?

[distant gyro]

a purely visual effect is possible

but there ideally should not be another damaging aoe lingering projectile spawning from another flask

there are already 2 in close progression

[narrow nimbus]

True.

That would be better since the projectile (in my opinion) is still a bit small

The overall damage is just fine the way it is.

Mostly since it also has a good damaging debuff

[inner anvil]

Specific Item Suggestions are not allowed, sorry. @paper chasm

[paper chasm]

aw...

well that's k

I just thought it was a cool idea for having a dmc5 weapon

[frozen hornet]

more sw*rds

[inner anvil]

Yeah, you kinda' need reasoning for a suggestion instead of thinking it would be cool or funny.

[paper chasm]

well alright

[stable musk]

Anyone please put a ❗

that dmc weapon goes under SIS

Or simply

[short walrus]

There's no way this guy isn't deliberately trying to break the rules

[stable musk]

this one goes under SIS too

[short walrus]

@terse oar no specific item suggestions

[river glen]

i

i check suggestions once

[short walrus]

Also profaned soul crystal literally exists

[terse oar]

?

[short walrus]

Read the doc at the top of posting

You cannot suggest a specific item

[terse oar]

oh.

[stable musk]

@terse oar Your suggestion goes under Specific Item Suggestions, shortly, SIS.

[terse oar]

well f-

[short walrus]

Let alone something as time consuming as that

[gray nebula]

lmfao

[terse oar]

unfortunate

[gray nebula]

suggestion gets shot down for being a SIS

next suggestion is an even more specific one

[terse oar]

i deleted it

[terse oar]

i isnt

[stable musk]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing

This doc

[terse oar]

i saw it

[stable musk]

Tells everything required

[terse oar]

im reading it rn

[terse oar]

but isnt that summoner specific

[short walrus]

Fuck if I know

You can stop pinging me now

[terse oar]

ok

well if icant suggest that then i can suggest a Demonshade armor themed multiclass weapon

in general.

cant i?

[short walrus]

See the "too much effort" don't

[terse oar]

never mind.

[short walrus]

And demonshade isn't Multiclass anymore

[terse oar]

i saw the demonshade

[terse oar]

it isnt?

i saw the shadowspec rule

wow

[short walrus]

It's slated to be reworked into a glass cannon set with mage/summon, ranged/rogue and melee helmets iirc

[terse oar]

okay my item kinda broke all the rules

[short walrus]

To complement the draedon set's tank

[stable musk]

FUCK ANOTHER ARMOR SPLIT

[short walrus]

It's not a class split this time

[stable musk]

i just wanted revive as ranged :(

[terse oar]

gem tech?

is it good or trasdh?

[stable musk]

And also
PSC isn't summoner specific as demonshade gives that 10 minion slots required for multiclass to function

[frail mantle]

Correct

[frail mantle]

Gem tech isn’t Exo armor

It’s just an Exo prism dev/donor multiclass set

[short walrus]

Again, stop pinging me

And again, I dont know

[small timber]

you cannot suggest shadowspec (bar) related items

[frail mantle]

Actual Exo armor will be centered around making you invincible as long as you’re smart about it

[small timber]

because shadowspec are reserved for dev items

[frail mantle]

Only dev

Not donor

[small timber]

and also you need to provide a very strong reasoning why we need a multiclass item that late into the game

[stable musk]

Gem tech is Lilac's donor armor set.
Some of patreon donors can have their items in game

[terse oar]

WHAT

OH

[stable musk]

YES, SURPRISING ISN'T IT?

[small timber]

the reason multiclass weapon do not exist is because how will they work? they literally will just be like a gun that deal melee damage for no reason, or summon weapon that deal magic damage

[terse oar]

well fuck yeah

[terse oar]

im new, i just finished my first legit run yesterday

dont blame me

[terse oar]

i kinda solved that but yk, i deleted it cuz it infracted half the rules

[stable musk]

And also every aspect of "Switching classes mid-fight" is balance hell

[terse oar]

nobody else does that? i use multiclass

for the entirety of the game

i must be missing a point

[small timber]

multiclass is not really a problem, just there really isnt a point

the only reasonable multiclassing class is summoner, which you can slap onto all other classes just fine

[terse oar]

m

true

[small timber]

for all the 4 others classes there is 0 reason to switch between them midfight, unless like using murasama/dragonrage on Scal's heart

[stable musk]

Summoner part will deal sixtillion dps and then also ranged projectiles will do billion damage while also true meleeing and doing quadrillion damage too and then rogue stealth will just do "pocket" damage and then mage will just one-shot everything

[terse oar]

i go into every fight maxing all class minus armour and accessories

armour i go best melee

accessories i do general accessories

yk

rampart of dieties

astral arcanum

etc.

i find defense is very important in my fights

[stable musk]

against scal defense doesn't really matter

[small timber]

all the (current) multiclass concern I can think of is basically this:

multiclass = summoner: can function with full power, and summoner are very powerful in calamity, hence when you are holding non-summoner weapon all summon deal 50% less damage to account for the fact that you can use full power on the multiclassed class
multiclass = melee, ranger, rogue, mage: can function at full power alongside summoner, but doesn't really have a point to switch between these fours (as you can only use 1 weapon at a time)

thus: multiclass armor generally buff multiclass summon (less damage penalty for using non-summoner weapon) but also provide less damage & crit (in stat) for melee, ranger, rogue, mage to account for the additional damage from summons

[stable musk]

You need to sacrifice much of dps to just get one more hit

but iframes is good

[small timber]

so ya as you can see, there isn't really a need for additional "multiclass weapons", as multiclass is just one of the other 4 class + summoner
if you mean item that is simulatenously all 5 class at the sametime, those are too unique are usually reserved for donor/dev items

[stable musk]

PSC with Demonshade is basically one more weapon

[terse oar]

that's why it was a shadowspec item

cuz it was donor/dev

[small timber]

exactly, suggestion disallowed too unique/specific items that requires too much effort to implement like these (because each suggestion is dev time, a suggestion specific super unique item = a lot of dev times)

[cobalt heath]

@elder mist can you flag the newest sug

[elder mist]

the whom

[cobalt heath]

#suggestions-posting message

the

its a sis

[elder mist]

ah true

gimme a sec

i barely work on suggestions so this is all new to me

[cobalt heath]

yey

rover is the one i would usually ping but like

they aint online

[elder mist]

rip in rover,,

hope that does the job

[cobalt heath]

ye

ty

[elder mist]

o7

[tight sundial]

pistol whip

[cerulean trench]

@paper chasm 1: too complicated for a standalone weapon, 2: weapons arent allowed, 3: dmc5 is the game of all time

it has a story, it plays, its overall a game

[cerulean trench]

burning sky:

[grim tusk]

burning sky is a massive meme

one of the magelee weapons of all time

[violet dagger]

weapon suggestions are allowed but they can't be specific

[twilit copper]

make it so that way while you're fighting DoG, no gravity is turned off

[fossil finch]

use gravity normalizer potion

[twilit copper]

where'

do i get it

[still zodiac]

You craft it

[zenith bronze]

PLEASE MAKE THE PERMAFROST COCKTAIL SO YOU DONT TAKE DAMAGE WHILE FROZE4N

[drowsy plank]

that ruins the whole point of the item

[zenith bronze]

how

[sleek wadi]

Permafrost's Concoction does provide +30 defense and 30% DR during that 3-second post revive period so you won't get immediately double tapped. The DR is also independent of calamity's DR scaling so it won't get gimped if you're using full warding

So it already negates a pretty significant amount of damage, you might be able to get away with suggesting it brings you to full health on res instead of the current 30%

[silent river]

Just kinda useless right now, you get revived then insta-die

Then again, you only really use it until you’ve found a better accessory suited to your class

[sleek wadi]

There are a couple of bosses with long enough windows between attacks that you could survive the revival period. Brimstone elemental comes to mind if you don't die during teleports

There are way more bosses that'll merc you during the res than those that won't though

[errant cloud]

Hello suggestions opinion post #3: mega edition

• initial dr being applied to segments in and surrounding the tail of all worm bosses: sure, decent enough

• slime god rework: semi-agree the boss could be overhauled, but the suggestion is too incomplete and doesn't provide any proposals in particular

• exorcism rework: yep, sure. nothing much to say, just good

• adding yamato and other murasama related weapons: no, at least not until yharim's fight has been implemented, then you can sort of start thinking about it in a meaningful matter

• gael greatsword rework: sure, semi-agree. not much is provided for proposals though, which is a bit problematic. I agree it's an underwhelming reward, but you kinda need to propose meaningful changes whenever you want to rework something (especially mechanically intensive stuff like bosses and weapons)

Suggestions opinion post concluded I now shall go back to eating a&w and chilling in cmt/1.4 port/etc

[hot zephyr]

reference weapons

there are already too many

blood orbs being in the recipe for blood relic is intentional

[weary kestrel]

Hey so... I don't know if this has been suggested but like, don't you think it's ridiculous that a god-slaying badass dies to a fucking medusa if they get stoned and fall? Like I could kill 100 medusas with little more than a swing of my blade but no, ONE is enough to kill me. What do you guys think about baking the pocket mirror (immunity to stoned) into the ankh shield or it's upgrades?

[hot zephyr]

I really hope that 1.4.4 does that

[proud quest]

wdym

[weary kestrel]

If it doesn't I'm fucking doing it myself if I make my mod idea a thing

[proud quest]

blood orbs in the recipe tree just seem hella useless

[weary kestrel]

It really bugs me that some random hardmode enemy can kill a god-slayer

[proud quest]

if there was a way to increase the chance of a blood moon happening that would be better at least

[hot zephyr]

blood orbs are in the blood relic so that you have to fight a blood moon to begin with
in the next calamity update, blood relic will be removed

[weary kestrel]

Like you'd think it'd be great to mix in with, idk, blindfold? Both methods of not looking at stuff. Either way I'm going to make it so ankh shield uses pocket mirror because fuck getting merked by a pissy hardmode enemy post-moon lord

[proud quest]

bruh why

why remove

[hot zephyr]

because bloody tear exists

[proud quest]

oh

[hot zephyr]

which is essentially the vanilla equivalent of blood relic

[proud quest]

but it depends how long the implementation takes

i cant fight dog without blood stuff

[weary kestrel]

Okay so if anyone here knows World of Warcraft. Imagine a rogue using kidney shot to stun you for 5-6 seconds, every few seconds. From a distance too

Is that annoying? Like really annoying?

That's what I'm dealing with medusas. They're spawning like crazy and stunning me for 5 seconds. This only makes me think pocket mirror really should be baked into ankh shield or upgrades

Like holy crap this is really pissing me off, medusa was the worst thing they added in 1.3

[crude geode]

"I don't like this so add a 1/50 drop from a rare enemy to one of the most used accessories to the game"

as a person who has done WoW PvP I can say 5 seconds is a LONG stun
this is completely irrelevant to the suggestion. I don't think there's a very large overlap between WoW players and terraria players, and it just alienates your sugg audience

@weary kestrel "why not" is not valid reasoning for a sugg.

[fringe notch]

@proud quest ah yes, remove blood orbs because you have to kill blood moon enemies to get it, which you happen to not fight because you choose to hide, therefore making blood orbs too hard to get, because you don't fight blood moons

[weary kestrel]

Perhaps there could be a recipe to craft the item :P

Doesn't have to remain that rare-ass drop you know

Lots of ankh shield components got their own recipes so it's not outlandish to assume pocket mirror could get a recipe if it were added

[crude geode]

it's a lot of work for a item that only 1% of players would likely see the use in

[weary kestrel]

And does the WoW thing really matter? I'm saying this for the potential WoW players that may understand. Does it matter how much overlap there is?

I mean it's fine if calamity doesn't add this, I'm just suggesting it. People can disagree all they like but if I ever make my mod idea a thing I'm adding pocket mirror to ankh shield, as well as tweaking things so it's less grindy and annoying

[crude geode]

if it doesn't matter, then it probably shouldn't be in the suggestion lmao. it alienates most of those reading your sugg and is just extremely weird to have in there for the very small percentage that do see your sugg and have played wow.

[weary kestrel]

Uhhh okay. Thank you for the feedback.

Sorry I suggested it

[pure bluff]

i do see where ur coming from with how it fits in the ankh shield especially as a combined accessory with the blindfold like the countercurse mantra but imo i think the duration of stoned should just be nerfed cus 5 seconds is too much for smt that completely immobilizes you and makes you take increased fall dmg

2-3 seconds is probably ok but idk much abt balancing games so just my thoughts lol

[hollow shell]

@supple torrent You're not allowed to make suggestions of this variety for several reasons. Read our Don'ts doc.
@paper chasm too, if you haven't been pinged already.

[supple torrent]

wait really?

[hollow shell]

Yeah. We made it so suggesting references just for the sake of adding a reference is not allowed
because we used to get inundated with suggestions of this variety from all sorts of different franchises, with no reasoning other than "it'd be cool to add this as a reference"

[supple torrent]

but they added the murasama

[hollow shell]

Yeah. Unfortunately there is asymmetry between what the devs can do with their time and effort and what the public is allowed to suggest the mod do

ex: You cannot suggest to add a new boss, because that's too grand a scope from a random public sugg

But the devs can of course add a new boss to the mod, if they so desire, whenever they want

[supple torrent]

I understand

[hollow shell]

Thank you for your understanding 👍

[frail mantle]

The Murasama is also ancient and from way before the reference rule was a thing

The mod generally has an almost excessive amount of references, mostly to certain games like MGRR or borderlands

[hot zephyr]

hey, the borderlands references got cut down hard after RIVs left

[fringe notch]

Just wanted to get an opinion before posting to suggestions posting

A slime God buff

In the current state of calamity, even in Malice mod, slime god is weak, by the point you reach slime god you already have accessories that make the fight no challenge at all.

E.G. Frostspark boots essentially make the Slimes pointless as just running in one direction with them will outspeed, not to mention the "slam" attack, which fails to accomplish anything, as by running when it falls straight down, you'll already be far away.
The skyline wings, a pre-hardmode set of wings that you can get after skeletron, help accomplish the same thing as frostspark with the horizontal movement, whilst providing freer movement that makes the main slime god minimally difficult.
And the abyss shadow chest weapons - such as the archerfish -, deal high enough damage whilst hitting so many enemies, that the slime god reaches the final stages of the fight, and proceeds to end, in but a short time.

As a result of such items, slime god has almost no difficulty to it unless you have no understanding of what its attacks and movement are.

[fluid steppe]

Slime God is too underpowered, I agree

[cobalt heath]

just buff its catchup

[shrewd furnace]

Is Aureus Spawns not being able to be parried by the ark of the ancients intentional? cause I want to suggest making them parry able

[small timber]

I assume oversight, so probably #bugs-read-pins ?

[shrewd furnace]

might be, I'm gonna check to see if it has been posted already in bugs

[keen zealot]

it's probably because they're not a projectile and not an npc with a hitbox

[shrewd furnace]

that's probably it, so should I post it in bugs or make a suggestion about it?

[keen zealot]

it's technically not a bug but it really shouldn't be a sugg either

I'd say put in #bugs-read-pins

[frail mantle]

not a typo

an anti-materiel rifle is an irl rifle designed to be used on shit like tanks, rather than on actual people

"materiel" is basically military terminology for "military equipment"

[gray nebula]

the reverse of anti personel

[frail mantle]

yea

[distant gyro]

go fix real life typo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-materiel_rifle

[grim tusk]

@fresh stone

[fresh stone]

interesting

guess its not a typo

[sand ermine]

yeah

[unique vector]

@hollow shell bonk

[hollow shell]

@viscid flint Wrong channel

[viscid flint]

my b, sorry about that ^^

[hollow shell]

👍

[grave zinc]

@errant cloud - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Supreme Calamitas to "Calamitas, Brimstone Witch" while keeping the old moniker for the Calamitas Clone]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Despawn Cosmic Guardian as Soon as Devourer of God Death Animation Starts]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@vapid mango - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move the Crystyl Crusher to Auric tier]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Accessory and Armor That Say "Increased Stat" Clearly State What It Gives]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@worthy flare - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an indicator for who the boss is aggroed on]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@warped tide - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Draedon Arsenal Armor/Accessories?]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@vapid mango - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more unique ammunition types for flamethrowers and launchers]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fringe notch]

Ah, rip new ammo

[small timber]

probably is because technical implementation, since it is super hard to add new ammo for flamethrower

launcher maybe, but probably post-1.4 port, since I dont think there is unique launcher ammo in 1.3

[eternal escarp]

there isnt, not even vanilla

(1.3)

[small timber]

@clear forge the next patch (since all the focus are currently on 1.4 port) will in fact probably be 1.4, this means Master Mode will be available and with the summoner weapon nerf (namely, sentries are nerfed if you are not summoner), the event will likely be so hard that it is almost impossible to complete on tier

also even in vanilla OOA is kinda have exclusively summoner multiclass reward, so not sure what calamity should do with it

in the form of other reward is just ooa boss drop like from betsy, ogre etc

and I am not sure even for current version, OOA is ever "too easy", since I tend to have hard time doing it on tier because of the summon damage nerf, at least without minxmaxing for it

[clear forge]

Well, some classes might struggle with OOA however classes like Rogue or melee easily kill the bosses in few seconds at any stage while doing OOA. This just make it boring. You're right with the 1.4 update as OOA could potentially be very difficult however, a slight buff to the drops would be a good change as most calamity weapons are just powerful and better compared to OOA drops.

Maybe the Devs could rework the event by changing small stuff but that could be a extra work, its just a suggestion from my experience with OOA from past couple of years.

[small timber]

with what weapon do you kill the bosses in few seconds on tier?

like minmaxed true melee or average build?

because sure the reward side can improve, but I dont really agree on it being too easy, even for the current version

[clear forge]

What do you mean by tier? do you mean like pre hardmode / hardmode OOA?

[small timber]

pre-HM OOA, post 1 mech OOA, post-Golem OOA, when you do it on tier

because if you are post-tier then ya sure, it will probably kill the boss in few seconds, but you mostly only doing it on tier for on tier loot

[clear forge]

ah okay, I'm on post 1 mech OOA and I just killed ogre in 2 stealth with dust storm

[small timber]

I think that is probably more with dust storm? because that weapon can kill thanatos

the post-ML, one of the 2 final boss exo mech, thanatos

[clear forge]

I think that is completely wrong as I was using other weapons as well like totality breaker / frequency manipulator and they were doing a similar result.

[small timber]

because except for a few problematic/overtuned weapon I think most build will have difficult time dealing with OOA on tier

if you are sure about that then go ahead, because I only remember people complaining about OOA being too hard on tier and less being too easy

[clear forge]

What made the OOA event difficult for some players?

[small timber]

because usually for average build, you will always lack damage to kill both side, which is the purpose of the sentry weapons, but since sentry weapons are nerfed by 50% (because multiclass) you suddenly lack damage, especially betsy wave

unless the weapon can melt betsy in a few seconds

maybe that changed because many weapons are buffed (notably rogue stealth), but at least that used to be the case

[clear forge]

Piercing weapons and AOE damage weapons are mainly what makes the event easy but I do agree that some classes may lack in that such as ranger. I tend to do an average build like you said with other classes like melee but still destroy the bosses if I just go close to them. Plus its a recommendation for 1.4 not an extra update.

[small timber]

in that case ya just keep it as it is, since others will comment too

[clear forge]

right yeah I forgot about that

[eternal escarp]

Old Ones Army becomes boring and not worth doing as the enemies are weak. This makes people usually skip the event
no, the real reason is the event is just annoying to begin with

ask anyone, im sure 85% of people will say its a tedious event to slog through ig you want specific items from it

mainly summoners

also, why OOA specifically?

you could make this claim for Goblin Army, both preHM and HM, pirates, martians (maybe less), frost legion, frost and harvest moons (until it goes batshit)

It is very easy for people to not bother doing the event if its not beneficial or give items that are helpful for classes such as Melee, Rogue, Mage and Ranger.
to this ill say Ranger and Mage do get some decent gear out of it, in the form of Phantom Pheonix and Aerial Bane for Ranger and the Tome of thousand whatever-ness for Mages
Melee gets Flying Dragon which is a, decent weapon, though i will agree its not worth the hassle for it

lastly there are Betsy Wings which are unironically, really good for the tier they are in

and afaik almost rival Fishron Wings

[fossil finch]

Betsy's funsies for mage are

[eternal escarp]

Betsy's Wrath is like

decent i think?

it doesnt really go well on its own though, its more of a debuff weapon iirc

anyways i think your reasonins are kindof
half-flawed, since people dont bother with OOA not because its "easy" but because its actually just a tedious and annoying event

in the end, both do lead to the same suggestion, but i feel like its worth noting to correct things

[drowsy plank]

honestly an alternative way to get OOA content id say would be fine, personally. cause they're right the event sucks, but the amount of effort required to make it decent just seems ridiculous

[eternal escarp]

the only major change made in Calamity to OOA (and honestly maybe the only change afaik) is making the wait time skippable and fast forwarding

which did help make it less tedious but i digress, its still abhorrent

[clear forge]

Its true that there are decent weapons available in OOA at that stage, however there are stronger weapons that people would usually go for in their average playthrough like Sea searing or like daedalus bow. Im not saying the drops are horrible at that tier but its not worth getting unless you're a summoner. I agree that betsy wings are really amazing and a good rivalry with duke fishron wings but there are still minorities that make OOA really boring and as you said annpying to do.

But yeah you're completely right I do agree with you

[eternal escarp]

firstly Daedalus Bow is before 1 mech tier, and Sea's Searing can debated depending on your playthrough
but yes, compared to other items they dont always compete

[clear forge]

True, daedalus is a pre mech weapon however it can be debatefully better depending on what arrows are used. Sea searing is used often in a ranger playthrough from what ive seen and yeah the items from OOA are still really underrated inside calamity in my opinion and I rarely see it being used.

And yeah one more thing I forgot to answer one of your questions so ill answer that rq

[clear forge]

I chose OOA specifically because there isnt much reason to do it unless you want something from it. Its really annoying to wait out through the rounds for the bosses. Even after all the wait, the bosses just get easily destroyed depending on your loadout. I didnt choose the other events specifically because I dont find it really boring or annoying as it just goes by fast while using zerg potions or enemy spawn rate boosters.

[eternal escarp]

I chose OOA specifically because there isnt much reason to do it unless you want something from it.
to be fair, thats the reason you do all the events

assuming they didnt naturally spawn on you

[clear forge]

I mean yeah but OOA just takes wayy too long and is not worth the waiting between the rounds imo

[eternal escarp]

the wait atleast, was addressed

im personally more so talking about the fact the event itself is just

not great

[clear forge]

agreed yeah but specifically its just too boring and just not enjoyable

thats why I just suggested to make the event a bit more fun and great

[eternal escarp]

then yeah thats why i felt i should correct you on some things, to get your suggestion across better

[clear forge]

Yeah thanks for the correction ill edit few things

[rain blaze]

OOA is fun in multiplayer when you have someone on each side.

[eternal escarp]

thats not really fun thats just making the event bearable

[cobalt pewter]

Tome of Infinite Cheese

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't melee also have Sky Dragon's Fury? it probably sucks but it's cool

[eternal escarp]

didnt note it because it sucks yes

(also wtf feedzuh double ping,.,.,.)

[cobalt pewter]

yes

fuck you

[rain blaze]

It's fun for me at least.

[crude geode]

If you wanna play OOA go play thorium sentry summoner

I really don’t see the reason why calamity has to fix every single vanilla problem in existence but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unique vector]

i think the only comment i will say is that we purposefully have never really edited OOA stuff bc we dont want to deal with it lmao

[crude geode]

Honestly makes sense

[dusty stirrup]

At this point you could have Calamity Vanilla changes stand on its own as a singular mod

[fossil torrent]

i do agree that calamity's balance changes should be a seperate mod

would be neat

[gray nebula]

tbh in 1.4 it could be made into its own mod that calamity relies on (like a library)

since libraries are auto-downloaded in 1.4 tmod

[crude geode]

Calamity players when cutscenes exist (they hate them)

[digital saddle]

Its awful

So fucking long

[eternal escarp]

the animation is really only an issue when you nohit the boss back to back tbh

[digital saddle]

Okay but

I hate it

[eternal escarp]

okay but
the issue doesnt really exist normal gameplay speaking

[digital saddle]

Its also just strange and bad

You have summoned this creature
Oh never mind they're gone

Fight this instead

[eternal escarp]

come on ive seen you mald about this specifically while nohitting
im like 90% sure that if you were playing the game normally this wouldnt have mattered like

at all

[digital saddle]

It doesn't mean it's a bad change to speed up the spawn

[eternal escarp]

h

[small timber]

I will be honest it probably will be faster to inform the guy who made nohit QoL+ to add that to a direct summon

Since for cal main making the change for specifically nohit (which cal is actively stray away from) is really counterintuitive

[eternal escarp]

if it was like longer id agree

but come on its not that long

[digital saddle]

You have adren 33% full

By the time the fight starts

[eternal escarp]

that doesnt make the timer suddenly longer

[small timber]

I think another reason it is that long is because rev transition

[digital saddle]

10 seconds is a long time for any circumstance when you're fighting them repeatedly

[small timber]

Since on rev anahita solo phase still exist, and the transition is used for levi transition

[eternal escarp]

guess what
you arent really going to fight them repeatedly for normal gameplay

[digital saddle]

I think it's too long on rev too

[eternal escarp]

its not like you'd farm them anyways for that long

[digital saddle]

Community

[eternal escarp]

10% isnt that bad

[small timber]

In fact it is not really possible to fight repeated in normal, becuase you have to wait ??? To spawn

So your fights are really spaced out

[digital saddle]

I mean that's a terrible spawn method regardless

And should probably be changed to an item

Say malicr

Where you could struggle with the boss and need several tries

I'd also say Urn and Starcore should be gettable before you defeat the boss

[crude geode]

Nohitters when the game doesn’t consider them 100% of the time

[golden tulip]

support chats?

wth are support chats

[digital saddle]

probably means like add another #help-advice-read-pins

[golden tulip]

oh

jesus

i thought in game

you should probably clear that up @hollow hare :hdflr

does that channel even allow server suggestions

[hollow hare]

oh

i may be stupid

my mistake, i'll be sure to delete it then

[golden tulip]

it was a question idk if it does

[hollow hare]

i know, i just wanna be safe

[golden tulip]

its just i usually dont see server suggestions so i dont think it does

[pure bluff]

also ur not interrupting others convos or anything when u ask for help they can still respond to each other and i dont see how you asking prevents others from getting help

[hollow hare]

ik, it just happens to me a bit so i thought it would happen for other people

that or i'm just butthurt

[golden tulip]

yea it happens

[frail mantle]

server suggestions are better sent directly to modmail iirc

[golden tulip]

the bot?

yea i thought about the bot but its status just says "staff issues" so wasnt sure

[ashen warren]

that just means dont dm it going "pls add auric copper shortsword"

[golden tulip]

metarex always gets the short end of the stick for that

[ashen warren]

[golden tulip]

ive seen him say multiple times before that people want something in the game kek

[ashen warren]

oh lo

[golden tulip]

in his dms

[ashen warren]

[distant gyro]

darren/meta usually takes the hit for being at the top of the devs list while online

[spring fog]

so, what do yall say

[golden tulip]

it sounds like a cool idea

but i do not think it fits calamity

more like its own mod

[spring fog]

yeah, maybe

but we can agree some of the characters deserved better

[golden tulip]

some are just acting in self defense yea

[spring fog]

oh i wasn't talking about that

i mean more like

characters with tragic backstories

like uhhh, anahita and brim elemental

who else

providence

[golden tulip]

ya

[spring fog]

would DoG be considered evil?

[golden tulip]

hell yea

power hungry egotistical megalomaniac

lmao

[spring fog]

yeah that serpent is evil

k i l l

[golden tulip]

byea this is more of a #lore-discussion convo

[spring fog]

oh

[unique vector]

what did i just read

[ashen warren]

now this is an idea

[cerulean trench]

least obvious undertale stan

[golden tulip]

it would be pretty cool honestly

i would try it if i didnt already have a million plans

[spring fog]

true lol

[sand ermine]

cool idea

but as nutella said, yeah it would fit into another mod which would probably be considered non-canon

maybe if for example (if it was official and canon) for the scal fight in this pacifist route, she would just run out of energy to fight you and call it quits?

but then again how would the curse that yharim put on her go away like that if it was canon? so it would most likely be non-canon

[golden tulip]

who even knows if the curse still works like that in the new lore

the lore is a mess rn

[hollow shell]

@clear forge Can't you speed up the event by clicking on the Eternia Crystal in Calamity?

Makes it less boring

And also iirc the armor and sentries are hilariously overtuned
and difficult to balance

so for summoner yes it is worth it

@spring fog Oh boy

Yeah I think adding a whole new "route" to Calamity would be too large scope for a suggestion
and also uhhh
weird

[golden tulip]

calamity na pacifist undertale

[hollow shell]

There are only a handful of bosses that "deserve to survive"
SCal already does survive
Yharon's death is for dramatic narrative
Cryogen's death is actively good morally
DoG definitely deserves death
Providence wants to literally commit omnicide

Over half of them are mindless monsters or animals

[spring fog]

Cryogen's death is not death, true

DoG deserves death, can confirm

But Provi, the elementals, yknow

[hollow shell]

Levi & Anahita is like, the only boss you could argue as a 'sad death'
Brimmy too

But even Brimmy is beyond reasoning with

[spring fog]

Also, is duke fishron's Lore with amidias still canon?

[frail mantle]

Ana and Brimmy are in a sense mercy kills

[hollow shell]

Brimmy yes, Ana less so (afaik)

[hollow shell]

Sure sure he is like a pet yes

[spring fog]

I can confirm brimmy was too broken

[frail mantle]

They’re both beings that have lost a great deal of their power and will most likely never fully recover to their former glory

[spring fog]

Would be cool to start fishron fight with a special item given by amidias after a Quest, making the duke friendly

[hollow shell]

So all in all it would hardly be a "route" anyway

byeah

[spring fog]

And terraria's client can handle that, i think i saw it in a mod, something like this example

[hollow shell]

You'd only really reasonably desire pacifism options for like...
three bosses

[spring fog]

Maybe not kill brimmy, but make her spirit free

[hollow shell]

@teal basin Read the Don'ts Doc in pins, please

[hollow shell]

Perhaps for the Crags rework

[spring fog]

Make Providence understand that life will never exist without sin, making her finally rest

Hmmm, luring the desert scourge to the ocean maybe?

[hollow shell]

Well her solution there is to kill all life

[spring fog]

Maybe making her realize that what she plans to do is a sin on itself

[gray nebula]

what if there was some infection like the "brimstone rot" and basically brimmy fought scal to a standstill and she got away with her life thanks to using this infection but now she has lost her mind and is only a mindless creature on a rampage but thankfully there are cultists of hers who want to kill her to give her a honorable death and so you help them do that

[hollow shell]

WAU Soma moment

iunno why that was the first thing I thought of

[golden tulip]

starscourge elemental

[hollow shell]

Comparable to a lot of fictional infections

[spring fog]

Hmmm, i think killing still involves some kind of pain, i would say maybe help them complete a ritual to free her spirit

[hollow shell]

So yeah sure could work ig

[gray nebula]

pain is good

👍

[spring fog]

She doesnt deserve more pain

[gray nebula]

"tough but fair" basically

[spring fog]

Just a nice, wholesome rest to finally free her from the things she went through

The outcome is still the same

Just less tragic and brutal

[gray nebula]

no she's malding

in "mald mode"

[spring fog]

Oh well

[gray nebula]

like peacefully helping brimmy jus kinda goes agaisnt thewhole game telling u that u resolve problems with ur fists + like its the dark souls of mod lore

[spring fog]

But seeing people's views on yharim here, his death is the only way

[gray nebula]

The calamity story is kindof a oo aa tragic ruined world one and so yea sometimes theres no hope

[spring fog]

I know its out of context

Yharim doesnt deserve the life he got

But in the end

It has to be this way

Im sorry i had to do it

[gray nebula]

Keep yourself safe my friend

[hollow shell]

[spring fog]

That's funny

[fossil finch]

What a threath

[fossil basin]

I do think slime god needs a major buff, in his current state he is killable with pre-skeletron weapons if you know what you are doing, the only class that struggles is summoner because you have to get close enough for your minons to target him

[fringe notch]

that's why i made the suggestion

[small timber]

@lilac niche armageddon mode no longer exist

[gray nebula]

nd also bringing up.. turn based games makes no sense in this context??

[fossil finch]

Troll Status

Yeah it doesn't

[dusty stirrup]

🤨

[small timber]

Does old arma actually disabled MP respawn?

[fossil finch]

Turn based games feature longer battles with idk i don't play them they suck

No it didn't

[small timber]

And if they bring up tactic game it makes an even worse example, because many tactic games have permadeath where you dont want to ever loss a single unit

[lilac niche]

Oops... arma removed?

Oh... well...

[small timber]

Yes, uodate your mod

Since it was recently removed so you still having it likely means your calamity is outdated

[lilac niche]

I see.

[fringe notch]

Arma Dead

[stable musk]

Armageddon is no more

And also for revive to work you need to die

to die you need to get hit

no hit

[pure bluff]

the entire point of arma is to not get hit in the first place

[stable musk]

[fringe notch]

been dead since like January...

[stable musk]

This announcement was made before 1.5.1 was out

[lilac niche]

Ooh...

[cobalt pewter]

turn based is like

unrelated to cal

[lilac niche]

I thought armageddon was a mode where all bosses deal a million damage.

[cobalt pewter]

or Terraria in general

[stable musk]

And also dodges is still banned in nohits

[hollow shell]

Arma dead

I was gonna say "ironically" but it's probably more like "fittingly"

Someone bumped their arm against Armageddon and it evaporated

[small timber]

before adding more stormlions the stormlion mandible probably need to be given more use first

[edgy pagoda]

that's fair

[small timber]

also isnt stormlion just an additional variant of antlion? rather than its own thing

[hollow shell]

I agree with this sugg but not to make Underground Desert any more threatening
It's plenty threatening (especially in 1.4 where you got even more Antlion variants, and cacti)

I think adding more versions of the Stormlion would help make them feel more like they belong

alongside the antlions

More natural

[edgy pagoda]

and make them more interesting as a whole?

[hollow shell]

Sure

[edgy pagoda]

alr i'll update it

[small timber]

what even is the connection of stormlion (lightning) to underground desert? the only thing I can think of is sunken sea?

[cobalt pewter]

static electricity?

idk either

[modest lake]

seems like a stretch

[hollow shell]

Sunken Sea does have a few electric themes yes
Cnids and DS do too

Amidias Spark

Kind of a weird aspect to it all

[edgy pagoda]

how's the edit?

[hollow shell]

iunno why "storm" is a theme in an underground desert

Yes that's better Magicoal

[small timber]

so stormlion is kinda like... antlion somehow get influenced and mutated because sunken sea environment... ?

[hollow shell]

(also iirc it's "fleshed out", iunno what "fledged out" would mean)

[modest lake]

a clam became a psychic somehow, so it's not the weirdest thing to think of

[hollow shell]

🤷

[small timber]

and ya there is also dead crab infected by mushroom (virus) to become zombie

[edgy pagoda]

sorry i don't know englis

it's late i need sleep

[hollow shell]

It's aight

[blazing imp]

understandable mistake

[crude geode]

Honestly this sounds interesting because it also could lead to essence of sunlight being more obtainable in the desert, further spreading out the way you can obtain essences.

[blazing imp]

i'd reckon the underground desert doesn't get a whole lot of sunlight

[muted osprey]

idk man it's the desert

[crude geode]

Remember, essence of sunlight is dropped by “sky, light, and storm creatures”

Tis why cloud ele drops it lol

[modest lake]

that does make sense

[crude geode]

Realistically it should be called “essence of not ground stuff” lol

[modest lake]

pft

[eternal escarp]

funnily enough, vanilla also went with a lightning theme for the 2 chest weapons in the desert

small funny fact i guess

[frail mantle]

is there any reason why desert and electricity themes tend to be combined like that

[eternal escarp]

good question

[muted osprey]

you see

you should

[frail mantle]

vanilla desert chest weapons, DS drops, thunderblight ganon (the desert boss) from breath of the wild

[eternal escarp]

gran thunder bird (thorium) even

[frail mantle]

that too

(i haven't played thorium for more than an hour at a time ever)

[modest lake]

DS drops?

[eternal escarp]

barinade and the shortsword

[modest lake]

Oh ok I thought that meant Don't Starve drops and got confused-

[muted osprey]

only thing sand and lighting do with each other is that sometimes when lightning hits sand it might form glass

[eternal escarp]

speaking of
DST Volt Goats

byeah anyhow

[frail mantle]

could be just that

[modest lake]

nice

[muted osprey]

they're both yellow

but you know what else's yellow?

pi

[modest lake]

...Pi?

It's just sand and nothing, that's what a desert is

how do you make that more interesting

[frail mantle]

gamma radiation

[modest lake]

.

Oh.

I think that'd be death mode-

[frail mantle]

terraria's ram being limited is a problem that iirc is solved in 1.4 tmod

because 1.4 tmod is 64bit by default