suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

(I think I've always been thrown off by the fact that melee speed specifically exists as an accessory reforge and not universal attack speed)

[ruby plover]

also, i can't remember if it was for rogue or ranger, but pre-1.5 silva armour used to boost the attack speed of one of them

[hollow shell]

Is there anything in the game that boosts attack speed universally?

[ruby plover]

I don't think so, apart from reforges, but those are weapon specific ig

[hollow shell]

So weird, so weird

[tardy smelt]

like how this could've unironically been Ares's sprite?

[hollow shell]

(well if that happened it would definitely have been ironic, not unironic)

[tardy smelt]

(truetrue)

on the topic of exhumed weapons,,, i don't really care about them unless they're fun to use

thats about it

[cobalt pewter]

yeah i meant this

equivalent, not exactly the same

not sure how to word it better

[rose latch]

'equal in power'?

but with different uses

[cobalt pewter]

I always think that "equivalent" is relatively equal but not exactly the same

tried wording it a lil

[rose latch]

yeah i think the problem was that you didnt specify in what way they were equivalent

[hollow shell]

That clarification you added does help

👍

Tho personally
Dunno if I agree with the reasoning that this change meant that the formerly 'rarer' gems are less valuable

Cuz in early game, getting that deep into the world and remaining there is kind of a bitch

imo the change kept their value the same, just improvement their obtainment consistency
A trade off between rarity and challenge

[cobalt pewter]

don't get me wrong, it's definitely still tough to get the rarer gems

but you're definitely not hardcoded to a very limited amount now

[cerulean trench]

fuck shit

free editor

works like all the other ones except no slow zoom or panning or whatever

[warped tide]

agreed

In general More mage content would be fun that isnt

super ultra mana draining death ray

I had someone tell me about an idea for a melee and mage hybrid set that would work as the pre golem armor, and is made from Aureus Cells, Stardust, and Fallen Stars

[slender void]

davinci resolve better

[cerulean trench]

ok

[cobalt pewter]

ban alchnpc from ever be used with cal

:clueless

[barren whale]

my only problem with my suggestion is that it might become a factor in making true melee easier

which is why i suggested to not increase the defense

[cobalt pewter]

wouldn't something happen to shrines

I remembered dev plans

so idk how they'll treat the items inside by then

[barren whale]

upgrade for locket!?!

oh.

ah.

what is the suggestion

hm

well it doesnt say anything about allowing it to be used later on

[eternal escarp]

devplan.png

being on the other side of devplan.png is pretty funny

[barren whale]

that is also my second problem

i dont

really know a solution to that

well personally i still think gladiators locket was a huge missed opportunity

[gray nebula]

yea it sucks

make it a drop from gladiators

here you go

and also remove the scalin

Early game terraprisma

[small timber]

there is no rules/don't for suggestion referencing external mods?

since calamity is (not supposed to) designed around the player having alchemistnpc, in fact potion selling is probably one of the step towards making external mods like those unnecessary for playthrough

also regardless of the suggestion I think this probably should be pinged

@ashen warren

Now, I get it. The Calamity Mod did this to optimise a game with no other QOL mods, for people with a lack of RAM. But this still doesn't mean it should be ignored. There's no real reason (as far as I'm aware) to not do this, and it would declutter the gameplay and make it more balanced.

DISCLAIMER: It might get across that I dislike the vanilla NPC potion gimmick, and I can see where they're coming from. I in fact do agree with these changes, and that is not what I'm trying to suggest. Just getting it out there.

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I think this part of the suggestion can be removed if you want, your suggestion is to explain why you want the suggestion to happen, so unnecessarily stuff like this (that basically just say "yo I in fact don't hate calamity") is not necessary for the suggestion

[fossil bronze]

i don't think its fair to balance things around external mods

especially content overlap

which is inevitable considering how many mods there are

[small timber]

ya I don't think a suggestion like that really works too, beside the 2 main one which currently is almost essential unless the player want to play entire game with wiki (boss checklist and recipe browser), and less so recipe browser

since if stuff like this get pass it will later be like fargo's soul, reduced grinding, extra boss material...

[golden tulip]

i highly doubt calamity added potions to town npc's for people with a lack of ram lol

[barren whale]

good idea

[fossil bronze]

tbh i don't see why it would help with a lack of ram anyway
if you have so little ram that you can only run cal and nothing else i don't think you'll have a very good experience playing the game at all

idk where they got that idea from lol

[small timber]

ya the ram part do not stand, especially that the suggestion wants to make it work together with an external mod (alchemistnpc) which is additional ram usage

[warped tide]

personally

I wish shit was Optimised more for people who

have smaller monitors?

Exo Mechs hit different

[fossil bronze]

on my monitor scal brothers are completely hidden
and artemis and apollo are almost always hidden

maybe it'd be nice to have an option to make them sit closer to the player
or to let the player zoom out more than 100%

[warped tide]

agreed

[tardy smelt]

alternatively make gladiators drop an exclusive material on every kill that crafts into the Locket alongside marble, two gilded knives, thirty-five gold watches and a bunny

[gray nebula]

;aa;;g;:,,a

[gray nebula]

get a bigger monitor

2022 and ppl don't have 1920x1080p screens

[tardy smelt]

just get a bigger monitor so that you can zoom in your game more for a better framerate (thats how it works right)

[fossil bronze]

replace every direct weapon/accessory/armor drop from an enemy with a crafting material used only to craft that specific item

[tardy smelt]

everyone loves ungodly large crafting trees

[fossil bronze]

yes
every item should have at least three crafting lines

remove combat from the game
and replace it with more crafting

[drowsy plank]

man we are just getting some straight garbage suggestions recently huh

[tardy smelt]

i've given up on making suggs at this point

feels too hard to get them to pass, easier to just not care about someone else's game project

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[tardy smelt]

it was fun while it lasted imo though

[warped tide]

yeah

actually

[quick tendon]

DoG in second phase is to fast? I was thinking i just Bad for death mode

I am playing for first time calamity and i turn death mode on, the Game was balances, when i fight with DoG i be forced to turn revengance mode

[tardy smelt]

difficulty is subjective what can i say 🤷‍♀️

alternatively, use The Last Mourning

[small timber]

There is no excuse for death mode being too hard unless it is due to bug/garbage telegraph, considering the next difficulty (malice) is literally meant to be unfair

Death Mode also to certain degree ask for player to already have some game knowledge (in this case it is highly likely because of it as you are playing calamity for the first time) so that part too

Since you need to know very well how DoG AI function now and the fight will be much easier

[quick tendon]

Okey, thx

[golden tulip]

malice isnt meant to be unfair

it just is

[tardy smelt]

But whats hard and whats too hard

It depends on who you ask

[small timber]

As long as it is not due to garbage telegraph/straight up unfair/unavoidable move I will say there is no definition of "too hard", especially with calamity where most difficulty is toggleable

This is my personal opinion but basically death and malice mode get to get away for being too hard (as long as it is not like malice telefrag) since they are supposedly optional "highest difficulty", if he was saying Rev DoG is too hard then I will in fact probably support his view

[tardy smelt]

Id base it off of my own experiences

And then like

Actually poll lots and lots of people on whether they think so too

Take lots of opinions, find an average and you already have something to work with

[vernal aurora]

This mode is subjective, play how you want
- Malice's tooltip

[golden tulip]

yeah but i doubt it was designed with unfairness in mind

[frail mantle]

it wasn't

it just kinda became that

[dusty stirrup]

I don't think it was designed

[cobalt heath]

is eternity mode unfair?

no

i think malice had the same idea

[dusty stirrup]

Eternity had actual design going into it

[cobalt heath]

it is unfair to compare eternity to malice do

[dusty stirrup]

Malice just feels like it exist because devs wanted desperately to make the 1% drop rate RIVs not RNG garbage

[cobalt heath]

eternity should be compared to doms work

[dusty stirrup]

Correct

[cobalt pewter]

that's

exactly what happened, but Malice wasn't initially this way either in development

it just mutated into whatever Malice is now

[dusty stirrup]

Malice wasn't ever supposed to be this big thing anyway

but Here we Are

curse you mrrp

[cobalt pewter]

mrrp is cringe

[ashen warren]

dramatically shortened my suggestion, thoughts?

[unique vector]

F mrrp

[fossil bronze]

i still think it's unnecessary to add
plenty of mods probably do things that overlap with calamity, i don't see why alchnpc is special

[drowsy plank]

disable alchNPC

i found the solution

[fossil bronze]

also having vanilla npcs sell potions has another purpose

makes npcs like demolitionist less utterly useless

[vocal grotto]

Thing with Malice is that it was basically just AI numbers go brrr
Testers did some rough looking at the bosses to determine if those numbers were too much or too little, but yeah
There isn't really much substance to it beyond that if that makes sense. Though I think Fab mentioned wanting to expand upon that at some point

I'm personally of the belief that it'd be easiest to obliterate the mode entirely by now tbh, but I don't see that happening

[grim tusk]

Wait gladiator locket still scales?

[drowsy plank]

no

not according to wiki at least

not according to either wiki, weird... not sure where they got that info

[dusty stirrup]

I'm pretty sure ben removed all those forms of scaling a few updates ago

[vernal aurora]

what about the Community?

[dusty stirrup]

Community is the one exception because that is its whole gimmick

[vernal aurora]

reasonable

[grim tusk]

@barren whale update your mod, gladiator locket has no longer scaled in a good while

[gray nebula]

Subjective .. evil word

😭

i genuinely haven o clue what a "subjective" mode is meant to be

[unique vector]

wtf is a subjective mode

[vernal aurora]

idk ask malice

[tardy smelt]

refer to my nickname and you might figure it out

[dusty stirrup]

Subjective might as well not mean anything anymore

[tardy smelt]

:truetrue:

i think it was just a weird and funky way of fab saying that malice is meant to be hard as balls

(although thats still subjective it doesn't change the intention)

[dusty stirrup]

I think it's a strange thing to put in the tooltip as an attempt to damage control but w/e

It doesn't really mean anything

besides yeah this mode is kinda fucked up

[tardy smelt]

i do fully agree with this though

and came preeeeetty much to the same conclusion before

doing something about that just doesn't seem like something that should take priority on the short term

[hot zephyr]

our mode

it's broken

[tardy smelt]

:communism:

[eternal escarp]

@somber elk alright, why?

you need to attach a valid reasoning to your suggestions

[somber elk]

Oh, sorry, my reason is because it would likely be a lot more convenient to be able to have a single potion that gives u all ur desired effects and while sure u can just download something like alchemist NPC to substitute and just have all ur potion in ur piggy bank some people wouldn't want the other things that come with AlcNPC and even the lite version. Like being able to buy treasure bags and such

[eternal escarp]

convey this in the sugg

(also i assume you mean 1 potion item that applies all the various buffs, if you mean a single buff for all the combined potions that wouldnt be very balanced in some cases )

[grim tusk]

@somber elk you need a reason on your suggestion

Also cocktails may not be the word to use

Since Cirrus sells actual irl cocktails

#suggestions-voting message how tf did this get on voting

Its a 1.4 feature

[eternal escarp]

two messages above storm

they gave the reason they just didnt add it yet

[somber elk]

Sorry

[somber elk]

Yes one potion not one buff

[grim tusk]

(Unbalanced as fuck)

Buying bags in my opinion is a no

Would also bring people complain even more on “adding alch npc features”

If you want that just use alch npc (lite, full is bad) i guess

[fossil bronze]

calamity players when they have to do something multiple times (grinding is bad)

[grim tusk]

Bring the rover quote

[fossil bronze]

especially since boss summons are non-consumable now grinding money is super easy

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711268703991365642/966006943707705474/unknown.png

[fossil bronze]

letting the player buy things instead of grinding for them just makes them unnecessarily easy to get

[west jackal]

Cocktails should only be for alcohol

Even though that changes nothing lmao

[fossil bronze]

me when
there is a hotkey to use all your potions

[west jackal]

Speaking of cocktails, letting us brew our own cocktails instead of having to buy from the drunk princess would be cool

[grim tusk]

:no:

[west jackal]

you literally just posted this 💀

[hollow shell]

Hello @somber elk Your idea is somewhat specific, and we here in the Calamity suggestion channels are averse to specificity, see the pinned Don'ts Doc for more info

Also what's the difference between this idea and potions like Cadence, Omniscience, and Yharim's Stimulants?

You could suggest that more combo potions like those get added I suppose, but you don't gotta give them their own name and concept like "cocktails"

[hollow shell]

Didn't know that

[grim tusk]

I should have said something, but it was 11 pm lol

[hollow shell]

I'll delete the suggestion from voting then

I can see the feature on the wiki for 1.4.0.1 uyeah

@slender goblet good news kinda

[somber elk]

Sorry

[hollow shell]

🤷‍♀️ This sugg is neither here nor there

[golden tulip]

they are interstellar stompers

but it would create a weird connection between the title of the song and some random drop from the boss the title is actually connected to

[dusty stirrup]

Holy crap is this a Calamity Soundtrack reference

[unique vector]

wow!

[unreal star]

ok it's not even if they're running at full speed he just spawns right next to you

it's kind of in character but at the same time wow is that part annoying

[small timber]

it depends on whether the current phase 2 transition is intentional, because previously he came out of a portal after a delay (instead of currently where he just poof in front of you)

if that is intentional then the suggestion is needed, otherwise just wait for a less buggy phase 2 transition to be implemented
also for reference the current phase 2 transition, is in fact, DoG ALWAYS spawn right in front of you, as in it predict the current direction you are heading and spawn right in front of you, so it is not sometimes it is everytime. The only strategy I find to consistently dodge it is just move in a direction, time it with the music and immediately dash the opposite way for when DoG come out

[fossil finch]

SABATON RENAME SUGG SO FUCKING TRUE

[small timber]

getting hit by DoG at the start of the fight is kinda player's fault, because he cant hit ground so DoG is very unlikely to hit the player as long as the player don't fly immediately (unless it spawn at unfortunate position like directly below the player)

[small timber]

isnt there a lot of thing that just melt astrum deus? to the point where deus get joked as a boss that get bullied with each new patch

[tacit tide]

true true

[steep iron]

yeah true but this one was just even crazier than anything else i saw

[small timber]

funnily enough deus already resist tenebris tide by 50% so I guess it is not enough

[tacit tide]

star of destruction, ori spike gemstone, lazhar, TENEBROUS TIDES, solar eruption, stardust dragon, …

[steep iron]

i legit killed the thing in a minute lol

[small timber]

a minute is, unironically, not the strongest weapon against deus (because there is somehow weapon better than that)

[steep iron]

yeah ik

the 50% was needed, but is not enough to stop the thing from shredding it

[tacit tide]

though lazhar is also a bit to much damage

[steep iron]

maybe just buff the entire boss then lmfao

[small timber]

the problem is the boss is super buffed in hp, if you are using anything that dont have infinite pierce

for reference it have 1 mil hp I think? which is 3x of Moon Lord

[steep iron]

when i used the tenebrous tides against astrum deus my game was legit lagging from all the projectiles lol

it was insanity

[crude geode]

easier solution: delete deus

[tacit tide]

even easier solution: delete the mod

[steep iron]

even easier solution: delete tmodloader

[tacit tide]

even easier solution: delete terraria

[steep iron]

even easier solution: delete pc’s

[tacit tide]

even easier solution: delete humanity

[steep iron]

even easier solution: delete the world

[tacit tide]

but it all started with the humans

its not the earths fault that life said: ok ima settle here now

[steep iron]

earth made us though

[crude geode]

anyways yeah deus gets melted by something every update

not surprising

[tacit tide]

true true

[steep iron]

it knew deus would be destroyed by tenebrous tides

everything led up to that moment

[tacit tide]

just pierce and deus is ded

[steep iron]

yup

[tacit tide]

even some things noone knows about like star of destruction melt deus

not as fast as smth like lazhar but still fast

[barren whale]

well its in the DoG wiki

[dusty stirrup]

Where even

[fossil bronze]

it's not on the dog page or the locket page

[barren whale]

huh

what

its not here anymore

??

it probably wasnt updated when i saw it before

[blazing imp]

i looked at the history, and it's not even there a month back

[dusty stirrup]

MF

[barren whale]

what:?

then wtf was i reading

i know i read it

and i joined after 1.5 was released..

im confusion 💀 💀

how do i forgor in the opposite way

[dense ferry]

See, the problem is that

Most Lore Items were already useless

So they would need to be buffed

And the useful ones are already on items

[gray nebula]

The problem is that if terraria needs anything, its not more progression rewards

the game does already a great job at rewarding the player for progressing, we don't need one more free item effect for no acc slot

[hollow shell]

Oh boy

My brain is coming up with a bunch of ideas for how to make lore items be enough of a hindrance to be considered balanced

particularly the balancing aspect of them taking up an inventory slot

[warped tide]

In terms of lore items

honestly the only use I could see is a general 10% increase to the boss they are for if you have one favorited

so farming it again is easier

thats it

if you get a biome lore its useless

[dense ferry]

Lore Items now take an entire inventory slot line

[hollow shell]

ideas such as
Taking up multiple slots (like the item is broken into fragments that must be "assembled" within the inventory)
or
Not being able to remain in one inventory slot for too long, or it'll start to "burn" (you or itself), so it's something you need to constantly upkeep by shifting it around, even during boss fights when inventory space is not normally a concern
or
both

[dense ferry]

Rover, may I ask

What hours are for you?

[hollow shell]

Pardon me

[dense ferry]

God tier answer

[hollow shell]

(It's 12:38AM for me right now)

[dense ferry]

Not that late, at least

[worthy orchid]

sounds late to me

[dense ferry]

I sleep at 3 am every day, so

[hollow shell]

I stay up till 8AM sometimes and it's actually a big problem

anyway

Yeah I'll exclamate this suggestion because absolutely not

[unique vector]

(shouldnt this be an

oh

ye

[worthy orchid]

pretty sure you cant bring old features back

[hollow shell]

I like the funny ideas I'm coming up with but I'll keep them for me

[barren whale]

this

the lore items

doesnt that break the rule of "no asking back for deleted things"

[hollow shell]

He does acknowledge that in the first sentence and also the sugg is ❗'d.

[barren whale]

oh. i~~ dont ~~see.

[small timber]

isnt the gladiator's locket one kinda conflicting? since shrine item are getting moved (I assume if it enter dev it will be just 🔒 )

[barren whale]

yes, it is

and also it would be unfair since the other shrine items wont get buffs

[hollow shell]

Gladiator's Locket is staying as an item.

(if you intend on keeping your sugg around Wacky then you should edit out that bit about the post-DoG buff)

[small timber]

the alchemistnpc one is kinda, weird? since it rely on external mod that not everyone use (and pretty much don't do anything, other than making npc shop more clean)

[hollow shell]

In the past, Calamity had NPCs sell boss summon items, and that function got disabled if you had Fargo's Mutant Mod
I'm pretty sure that was a thing

[small timber]

hmm then I guess the suggestion do make sense? I just never use mutant so never notice it

[barren whale]

hm okay

[cobalt pewter]

lore items should boohoodust

[small timber]

lore items should have tooltip that just say "Favourite this item in the inventory to gain +1 luck" with no explanation on what +1 luck means whatsoever

and in reality is does nothing

[half sage]

that's cause confusion in 1.4 since luck actually exists

[barren whale]

"Favorite this item in the inventory to gain +1 charisma"

"wtf is charisma??"

[cobalt heath]

do the hypixel thing

after match if you say gg you get 5 karma

we still have no idea what it does

[distant gyro]

"it's a funny stat that goes up and you like to see fun stats go up"

[eternal escarp]

pretty sure its just a joke / trying to subconciously support less toxicity

likely the former

[cobalt heath]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/951884450466259036

crazy its most likely gonna come already

[golden tulip]

everytime i click this it goes to another comment

love it

thanks discord

[small timber]

hmm then I guess should ping him?

[eternal escarp]

they can still suggest about both

the fact a previous suggestion by another person went in the past does not mean its suddenly illegal to have a similiar idea

usually it helps bring back said suggestion

[small timber]

hmm ya maybe, I just think since the two part of suggestion is kinda apart (lore dialogue and item shop/more function), and dialogue is probably gonna get implemented anyway

[eternal escarp]

h

[small timber]

not sure, I will delete the ping, better to let Rover judge

[eternal escarp]

now its a ghost ping

[small timber]

wait discord don't delete pings like that, oh well

[eternal escarp]

yeah they dont lo

[old prairie]

I know that they're kinda apart, my suggestion is only ment as an example for adding more content because I think that she doesn't have a lot of use currently with the exception of item enchants wich are kinda "meh"

[small timber]

ya the suggestion do make sense, I initially didnt realise the suggestion is to add more content to scal (rather than add specific things)

[old prairie]

Yeye, no prob

[vernal aurora]

I thought Aureus dropped fragments post-moon lord like Astrageldon did but apparently not

So I don't really see a reason for a buffed slime mount to make getting aureus cells harder

[eternal escarp]

i mean, AD does that already

(the fragment thing)

[small timber]

what material do you even need from aureus except like grinding stars?

[eternal escarp]

aureus cells for some items and usage ig

[small timber]

aureus cell only I guess? other item I dont think have any upgrade

other than jelly bean (which is the initial reason aureus is upgraded)

[cobalt pewter]

felt like Aureus being buffed pml was purely cus bean is pml

[eternal escarp]

tbh they have a point i think

HVM and Perfs dont get buffed in HM but they drop more items

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

again, most likely cus of bean

[small timber]

so basically just move jelly bean somewhere else and delete upgraded aureus

[eternal escarp]

you dont need to move bean

[cobalt pewter]

day 0 of donator content being reasonable

[eternal escarp]

moment!

[grim tusk]

Bean is dev item

[small timber]

oh ya jelly bean have to be astral related because astral slime

[frail mantle]

bean isn't donor i think yeah

[eternal escarp]

its bens iirc

[cobalt pewter]

oh I meant

dedicated

moment!

[eternal escarp]

oh wait not bens

ziggums

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[grim tusk]

bean is only from Aureus cuz Geldon

iirc

[eternal escarp]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

it doesn't fit well because it isn't meant to be

[eternal escarp]

anyways you dont need to move the mount regardless

[vernal aurora]

why are we buffing bosses for slightly faster hellevators

[eternal escarp]

you can get rid of the buff without moving the item

[cobalt pewter]

p sure bean happened after geldon

for reference

[grim tusk]

bean is not to be underestimated

[eternal escarp]

before geldon

[cobalt pewter]

someone with nitro post embodiment of evil

[grim tusk]

just look at all the ptsd Ben has gotten from so much nohit judging

[cobalt pewter]

geh

[eternal escarp]

huh

geldon did use to drop fragments unlike aureus which doesnt (on buff

byeah whatever

[hardy dock]

I have PTSD from him judging my nohits

[grim tusk]

yea Aureus should get fragments post-ML lol

[eternal escarp]

i actually just agree with ridding the buff

[hardy dock]

Yeah why keep the buff and add fragments when Deus would be way easier to grind for them

[vernal aurora]

no need to make random space bot a pain to deal with if you forget it before doing Cultist

[small timber]

how buffed is aureus actually post-ML? because I feel like it is still decently easy to dodge, especially post-ML mobility item

the only thing is just he is tanky

[hardy dock]

Iirc he has like 400k or smth

Idk I avoid him like the plague

[vernal aurora]

2x damage and HP

[small timber]

hmm moon lord is like 330k and you have post-ML weapon

I rarely fight him post-ML but I also don't think the buff is that big of a deal, other than just not obliterating him (for the purpose of farming)

[hardy dock]

Well he also has 50% DR

So it’s pretty substantially more than Moon Lord has

Hell, Providence has 600k health and only 30% DR compared to Aureus’ 468k and 50%

[cobalt pewter]

or just bring back rdr, so that you can't obliterate aureus /s

[small timber]

wait whytf does aureus have 50% DR

that is so random

[hardy dock]

It’s the Calamity thing to have arbitrarily high damage reduction

[small timber]

no wonder he feel so tanky on tier eventhough he has similar to leviathan hp, I though he juts have high defense not 50% DR

[vernal aurora]

also I dont think you can beat Aureus with just a homing weapon and the D key

[small timber]

ravager have 15% on body part and 35% on body, PBG 30%, so aureus 50% is just completely random

even leviathan only have 35%

[hardy dock]

I never understood why bosses have damage reduction in general instead of just having a bit more health

[small timber]

basically damage reduction is much better against adrenaline than just having higher health

[hardy dock]

They do effectively the same thing except one just makes your damage numbers lower

[small timber]

the higher your inc damage % (any source, armor, accessory, adrenaline...) is the better damage reduction is compare to same amount of hp increase

[slender void]

69 votes on my suggestion nice

[inner lark]

So when does the bot do the funni and spam update suggestions

[drowsy plank]

[inner lark]

Done

Oh so I cant do math actually

Turns out 9 add 14 doesn't equal 21

[buoyant siren]

23

[hollow shell]

@old prairie Your reasoning is incredibly weak

You losing your Brimstone Locus often doesn't really
mean anything, other than you misplace things which is an issue completely separate from SCal

And the addition of even more brimstone/SCal-themed items I don't think would be welcome
considering SCal the boss already has a full drop pool, and the Exhumed weapons also exist

plus all the non-exhumed enchantment effects that you can apply to any weapon

[crude geode]

we already have an exorbitant amount of fire related items, adding more brimstone ones would just likely add to the bloat

[old prairie]

What I mean is that she should have have a bit more content after you defeat her, since in the lore she is like made out to be the allmighty Brimstone witch that burnt down an entire ocean and just having her walk around and enchant Items once in a while after one of the most epic battles ever just feels a bit dry, so I think that she should have a little bit more use besides being your goblin tinkerer 2.0

[hollow shell]

Giving her an item shop just like Perma or Amidias wouldn't help that issue

That is even more boring than enchantments

Giving her more lore dialogue/insights could help make her feel more significant though

[old prairie]

Yeah, I think that the "tell a story" part is a good idea and bosses and npc's in general need to be covered a bit more, I know that you guys are already working on a lore update, so please don't forget about the npc's lol.

[hollow shell]

Well the issue with "having the Astral Arcanum always teleport the Player to the middle of the Jungle" is that the Jungle's position can vary quite a bit

Its closeness to the ocean versus spawn is flexible on world generation

and I don't know if that 'jungle position'.. 'decision' is saved anywhere in the world's data after generation is finished

[old prairie]

So there is no real way to determine the middle of a biome?

[hollow shell]

There...... might be???
I'm not sure
I just know our current Jungle teleport is a "good guesstimation" on where the Jungle would be

I think your suggestion is fine though, because that code is quite old at this point and the 1.4 port might make it more feasible

[old prairie]

Aight

[fossil bronze]

on one of my worlds half of the teleport destinations are outside the jungle
it'd be nice if it was at least always inside the jungle itself

[old prairie]

Same XD

I sometimes even land in caves 200-300 blocks beneath the surface lol

[unborn siren]

You could take the alch npc route and have it teleport you to a specific block

but that is kind of exploitable

[safe oasis]

@small timber typo in your title, it’s “clearly state” not “clearly stat”

[hollow shell]

@haughty leaf What?

[muted osprey]

he wants malice drops without malice

[south flint]

despite that already existing

[unique vector]

dev plans.png

[south flint]

also i can’t even tell what this is saying

[small timber]

oh I always confuse the two word

for some reason state in my mind only mean country and nothing else

[small timber]

I think that suggestion can be translated to "readd malice drop" (just different from the previous challenge drops)

basically add new malice drops

or his calamity is out of date and malice drop still exist, and the suggestion is basically saying "give alternative method to obtain malice drops without activating malice, eg: fight EoC on day, which will be the equivalent of enrage/malice (just without malice modifier like +damage/proj speed))

basically previously night providence drop malice drop- kinda style

[west jackal]

it doesn’t seem like English is his first language judging from his bio

[grave zinc]

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[ruby plover]

oh, the plague dye one made it through

[small timber]

how did this one managed to get through

I mean without violating any don't

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not so sure

[hot zephyr]

murasama right click suggestion #92192192

[golden tulip]

fix ravager

i suggest we fix this problem

:communism:

[small timber]

@ashen warren ravager phase 2 is literally designed so that you fight it in a confined space, trying to run away from it causing it to despawn is probably in fact completely deliberate to prevent cheesing it

[ashen warren]

Wait legit?

[small timber]

yes, in fact running away during phase 2 probably make it 10x harder

[ashen warren]

Rephrase time

lol

[small timber]

wait let me clip something

[ashen warren]

Done

[ashen warren]

our terraria

[small timber]

if your ravager is jumping AWAY from you it is likely due to bug

[frozen hornet]

I thought the bug where it jumps away was fixed like three times

[small timber]

ya pretty sure dont happen in singleplayer anymore, not sure about MP since I dont play it

[frozen hornet]

@ashen warren are you sure you're on the latest version? (1.5.1.6)

[hollow shell]

Your title line should probably be more descriptive

[small timber]

from his description I think it is more of a bug?

[hollow shell]

Nah not really a bug as much as

despawn distance too close for how mobile Ravager is

[small timber]

having ravager jumping away from the player dont look normal to me, unless he is reaver 200% MS flying away

[hollow shell]

Well

actually

Yeah from reading it that sounds entirely unintended

[small timber]

because ravager stomp is pretty accurate, only have small variance (slightly ahead/before the player) if you are moving

[hollow shell]

I don't know what kind of Ravager they're fighting which is actively running away from the player

[small timber]

the only situation (if it is not bug) I can imagine is he is flying as far as he can while ravager is repositioning for stomp

[hollow shell]

Footage would be welcome

[small timber]

(he seem to not be here anymore) I will see if I can reproduce it, at least from the description

I didnt manage to despawn ravager even like this (death mode)

I need to try so hard just to despawn him, even on rev

[tardy smelt]

That looks like an average exo mechs attempt

Movement-wise

[small timber]

this is like the only way I find to actually despawn the boss, and it requires a nohit world size arena

[small timber]

these video fly up more than average exo nohit attempt

[tardy smelt]

/doubt

[inner lark]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-gigachad-gif-21584929

[steep iron]

How many stars do you need for a suggestion to get a thumbs up?

[inner anvil]

Depends.

It's in the pins how it exactly works.

[frail mantle]

there's no exact requirement for a suggestion to be sent

and even if it is sent there's no guarantee it'll be accepted

[hollow shell]

Yeah
The requirement to get sent to the devs used to be 200
Now it's dynamic, fluctuates with server activity to prevent droughts/surges

There is no requirement for it to get a thumbs up
That reaction indicates the devs' approval after it gets sent

[cobalt pewter]

my sugg is superior because it had a gif

but yes

[tardy smelt]

ohh thats a really good way to handle it

[tardy smelt]

oh and this sugg kinda reminds me of this one i made a while back...

[ashen warren]

Bro idk man I was in multiplayer and the ravager jumped into a whole different biome I was in the middle of forest it jumped to snow

[hollow shell]

In Phase 2?

[ashen warren]

Ye

[hollow shell]

Sounds like quite a bug

[ashen warren]

It jumped a whole diff biome

And despawned💀

Happened about 3 times

[hollow shell]

He is literally supposed to jump
on top of you
That's where he aims

[ashen warren]

Then why did he jump to my snow biome 💀

He went from jumping from my friend and overshot a mile

[hollow shell]

Oh your friend you say?

Multiplayer?

[ashen warren]

Yeah I just said

[hollow shell]

You should have mentioned that earlier.
That explains a lot.

[ashen warren]

I said multiplayer

[ashen warren]

What happened

[hollow shell]

(right sorry I missed it here)

That means it's got something to do with the boss changing targets
which can be quite funny in multiplayer, not just for Rav but other bosses too

I can easily see why Rav would freak out trying to retarget with its phase 2 behavior

[ashen warren]

Then uh ig fix that lol

[hollow shell]

Probably worth reporting this in #bugs-read-pins instead, making it very clear that you are encountering this in multiplayer

[ashen warren]

[small timber]

isnt the ravager MP bug like fixed?

at least I remember it is fixed or at least attempt on fixing it is somewhere, is your calamity out of date?

[small timber]

(although repost suggestion are allowed) probably worth mentioning, since this suggestion is passed rather recently

@muted osprey I think the suggestion is actually count as reposting, because not only a similar suggestion is just recently passed (28 Jan 2022) it is also on to-do list

and since pixl is personally doing this one (at least according to her word) you can just ask her for progress?

[cobalt heath]

gender check

[small timber]

I thought him is a gender neutral word for some reason

or is it they

[cobalt heath]

they is neutral

[eternal escarp]

(agian, theres nothing wrong with resuggesting something that was suggested a while ago unless it was added to the frequently suggested, im pretty sure)

also Jan isnt recently tbh

[small timber]

ya maybe, just not sure the verdict on what is count as a while ago, since in this case it is Jan 28

which is basically like Feb

[eternal escarp]

recently is more like

1 month

[small timber]

I thought it is like 3 months, but ya in this case it is also that the person working on the rework is active here so can just ask
(probably faster than getting a suggestion to get enough votes, enter devs after 2 weeks and then get onto to-do and then back to waiting)

[cobalt pewter]

language moment

[muted osprey]

disappearance

also yes i am in fact male

[small timber]

nah the sentence was referring to pixl, who is the dev doing the arcane modifier rework

[digital saddle]

dunno if i really need to justify the comment about guardians being too hard

[keen zealot]

you don't

I fought them today and they were ludicrous

I think the greater problem is that the optimal way to beat them is just fucking circles again

but this time you aren't really allowed to do anything else

[digital saddle]

they took me 7 times as many tries as providence

lol

[keen zealot]

especially phase 1 is just circle camping them

they took me eight tries

in a run where I was first or second trying every other boss

[digital saddle]

phase 3 is very scary but fair
Phase 1 is kind of bad but not horrible

phase 2 is just endless spear spam nonstop

[keen zealot]

phase 3 didn't feel very fair to me

phase 2 was definitely more fair in my eyes

[digital saddle]

phase 3 strategy is to wait for the fireball spam to begin

then dash above or under the final guardian

when the gap appears

it looks very intimidating but thats a very consistent way to deal with it

[keen zealot]

depending on positioning when the flame wall starts it can be basically impossible to dodge

in order to survive you have to act in a very anticipatory manner i.e. unintuitively

I only won by aggressively circle camping the first phase and playing very passively against the other two

not at all fun

especially since I'm playing melee and I don't really have any options that reliably deal damage at a comfortable range for that fight in particular

I think your suggestion helps but it's not really getting at the main problem with the fight

[digital saddle]

you tend to need strong homing for donuts

[keen zealot]

which is not good design

[keen zealot]

which is just that the fire in particular forces you away from the boss to the point where it will often be offscreen

causing you to not be able to hit or react to the boss very well

[calm elm]

I completely agree

p2 is more annoying than p3

Especially because of how weirdly the spears move

[keen zealot]

it would be fine if they didn't have that third state where they suddenly move like twice as fast without warning

I hated p3 more because my usual weapon of choice against the chicken fuckers was pre-rework ark of the elements, which no longer has nearly as much of a ranged or homing element

[calm elm]

im probably just shit but i do not like the spears

the fireballs are manageable

[keen zealot]

the wall of fire in p3 was more annoying

oh also can we establish which mode we're playing rq?

[calm elm]

Death/rev

[keen zealot]

death also

[calm elm]

malice is 💀

[keen zealot]

malice is skull and should just be removed at this point

one thing I've been feeling in particular across this entire playthrough is that this is a really bad time to stop developing for 1.3 and focus on 1.4

now more than ever the mod feels really unfinished

and just... bad, in a lot of ways

for one thing a majority of weapons with pierce capabilities don't work properly, if at all

[calm elm]

Wdym

[keen zealot]

infernal cutter, for example

its sparks pierce a lot of times

the immunity those sparks cause blocks the main weapon from hitting

[calm elm]

that just sounds like a specific weapon issue

[keen zealot]

it's a specific weapon issue in every case, but the problem is that there are a lot of specific weapon issues

and in every case the problem stems back to the use of global immunity

there's also an issue with several certain weapons where your aim doesn't match your cursor

most recent example to come to mind is tenebreous tides

if you try to aim diagonally down the beam biases towards the nearest horizontal direction

and it's really obvious too lmao

[calm elm]

Stream gouge does that as well

[keen zealot]

this is/was especially prevalent in rogue weapons

tides seems to be unique in that it only does that downwards

most weapons I've seen it with do it in both vertical directions

these complaints, while a major bummer, have nothing on the big one

the new and reworked content is very obviously lacking polish in several regards

every fight that has been substantially reworked in 1.5 that I've done so far I think is vastly inferior to the version it replaced (except cryogen, which was previously the worst it had ever been)

I'd much rather have the cakewalk that was 1.4 doughnuts than the abomination that is the new version

[tight tiger]

are links to google docs and things of that nature allowed in suggestion posting?

[small timber]

try to make your suggestion concise so that things like that are not necessarily

if your suggestion is so long that you need a google doc you probably should summarize it

[eternal escarp]

if your suggestion needs a full doc then dont bother

[tight tiger]

aight

[eternal escarp]

if you want to add it solely as a side thing then you can but eh

usually its better either way to not

[neat linden]

also, what's the doc specifically for

[tight tiger]

eh, it was some suggestions for achievement ideas for when calamity gets ported over to 1.4

[eternal escarp]

then either way, you cant suggest about something not yet available

as the 1.4 port is not out (and achievements are the least of the priorities)

[tight tiger]

eh, i read the rules and it didnt seem like something that would necessarily go against the rules, the suggestion isnt to add achievements, just ideas for when achievements get added

[eternal escarp]

its still about

future content

which is infact a don't

[small timber]

basically: if something is not yet in the game you cant suggest it

since achievement is not yet in the game (as it will require 1.4 port), you cant suggest achievement, even just ideas

[tight tiger]

huh

aight

[small timber]

@vapid mango wait for it for now, there is technical difficulty with using different ammo for rocket launcher and flamethrower

which might or might not get fixed/better after 1.4 port

[vernal aurora]

Id say launchers actually have one ammunition that gets quickly upgraded and then never touched again

[vapid mango]

what there is?

[small timber]

ya launcher I think is slightly better, but pretty sure flamethrower is hardcoded to only use normal gel

which is why it never have different ammunition

[vapid mango]

damn

[small timber]

so if you want you can keep rocket launcher part, but flamethrower part is impossible/extremely hard because of technical reason alone

[vernal aurora]

and half of the new rockets are solely for placing and removing liquids

[small timber]

ya, in 1.3 (current tmodloader) rocket ONLY has rocket I to IV

all other rocket are added at 1.4 which is why I said rocket launcher ammo may get better with 1.4 port

[vernal aurora]

2/3 if you don't count the destructive variants as their own type of ammo (which I don't)

[small timber]

but seeing rocket I to IV is the only rocket ammo right now I will assume it is similar to flamethrower where ammo type is limited

[cobalt pewter]

custom rocket ammo will be possible in 1.4

never heard anything about flamethrowers

[cobalt pewter]

from this there are 5 rocket variants in vanilla:

• Small (Rockets I and II)
• Large (Rockets III and IV)
• XL (Mini Nukes I and II)
• Clustered (Clusters I and II)
• Liquid-based (Dry, Wet, Lava, Honey)

[vernal aurora]

if it is somehow possible, then nightmare fuel is right there

[cobalt pewter]

if anything modded flamethrowers will need to treat Gel like some vanilla and modded bows / guns convert Musket Balls in that case

but having Nightmare Fuel and Endo Energy being endgame flamethrower ammo could be interesting

[eternal escarp]

i believe making more unique gel effects isnt very easy to make due to how flamethrowers work

where they simply just shoot their own specific projectile instead of a "gel" projectile

[small timber]

tbh launcher and flamethrower unique effect on ammo isnt even that important

most launcher and flamethrower already convert ammo to their own on hit effect

[eternal escarp]

exactly yes

making flamethrowers use unique ammos is either a hassle or completely irrelevent

[vapid mango]

when making suggs i don't think about how they would do it i just think of an idea so yeah idk

and yeah every launcher/flamethrower does have its own thing with the same ammo

i just thought giving them something in common would be cool

[small timber]

I just think the suggestion is abit hard to carry out before 1.4 port is the problem

the idea itself is not bad, just the technical problem associated with it

[fossil bronze]

if flamethrowers use multiple ammo types they should just be the existing other gels imo

[eternal escarp]

yeah
agian, itd be a huge hassle and require just refactoring all flamethrowers to make new "unique" gell types

since all flamethrowers already shoot a unique flame, making them be able to take other gell types to shoot a specific other flame would be too big of a hassle iirc

[drowsy plank]

the best i could think of is higher base damage, additional debuffs, sort of like how frost or flame just act like normal arrows with some bonus, or making weird unique variant flamethowers with unique ammo types like the stake launcher or other halloween weapons

and none of those are any more interesting than just. making new flamethowers that take normal gel

[eternal escarp]

additional debuffs would face the same issue i believe

[calm elm]

its a cool concept

[eternal escarp]

flamethrowers use their own special projectile, unlike bows which just take the ammo projectile for the most part

[calm elm]

But itd be too much work for the payoff

[eternal escarp]

each flamethrower is basically its own "gel" anyways there isnt really a need to just make more gels

[calm elm]

Flamethrowers all make their own unique projectile yeah

[neat linden]

for launchers custom ammo is probably doable, for flamethrowers i don't really see it being doable enough

[calm elm]

they just consume gel

[eternal escarp]

yeah rocket launchers can have custom ammo i believe

Snowman cannon does iirc

[sleek turret]

the pack does too

[neat linden]

and the uh

[eternal escarp]

or i mean, can use custom ammo

[sleek turret]

electrosphere launcher

[neat linden]

electrosphere overrides all ammo types doesn't it

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

yes

[neat linden]

so it can't accept custom ammo

well can

but doesn't change anything

maybe damage?

[cobalt pewter]

def dmg

[eternal escarp]

Rocket Launcher and Snowman Cannon are the only ones i can think of?
though lately all Calamity launchers have been modified to access tile-breaking nukes so idk

[sleek turret]

Celebration, if you remember that thing tbh

[eternal escarp]

right

[drowsy plank]

it does not

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Celebration

literally the first note is that it overrides rocket types

lol

mk. II uses rocket types i think tho

but that's 1.4

[neat linden]

grenade launcher has uhh

[sleek turret]

custom grenades

[neat linden]

whatever the fuck these ammo types do

[sleek turret]

yeah

pretty much all the ammo

[eternal escarp]

yeah launchers like
make their own unique versions of custom ammo

which is weird but lol ig

[sleek turret]

there's also proximity mine launcher too

[neat linden]

oh look, proxi mine launcher does that too

[sleek turret]

YEAH

[neat linden]

does anyone even like

use it

ever

[sleek turret]

no

it's obscure tbh

[drowsy plank]

i love the dozen explosive weapons terraria has that literally no one uses

[neat linden]

proximity nukes look cool tbh

[sleek turret]

well I guess that's terraria tbh

[vernal aurora]

I exclusively use them once they become available

[calm elm]

Why does the proximity nuke 2 look like a mini burden breaker

[dim osprey]

Shhhhh

[drowsy plank]

yeah but you probably use rocket launchers, yeah? not fuckin. nades and prox mines

[dim osprey]

Is it a 1.4

Thing

Cause in theory it could work if it functions modularly

[vernal aurora]

you go grenade launcher (guaranteed Planterra drop) to rocket launcher to snowman cannon

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[sleek turret]

because dungeon chore tbh

[vernal aurora]

and then never stop using snowman cannon

[drowsy plank]

snowman is funny

[vernal aurora]

launchers are in 1.3

[sleek turret]

it's pretty much strong option

[neat linden]

electrosphere is decent but like

snowman is snowman

[sleek turret]

homing + good damage

[neat linden]

exactly

[dim osprey]

I mean the weird custom projectiles

Like cluster grenade and stuff

[sleek turret]

some are 1.3 while others are 1.4 projectiles I think

[dim osprey]

Hmm

[neat linden]

there are 4 rockets in 1.3

rocket I - IV

[dim osprey]

I mean the weird like

Cluster proximity mines

Honey grenade

[sleek turret]

those are 1.4

[dim osprey]

Stuff like that

Like the custom

[neat linden]

yeah these are 1.4

[dim osprey]

Not the fact that it’s honey and stuff

Or cluster

[sleek turret]

Liquid, Mini Nuke and Cluster rockets are all 1.4

[neat linden]

and proxi mines are shot exclusively by proxi mine launcher

[dim osprey]

Like do grenade 1-4 exist?

[neat linden]

a weapon no one fucking uses

[dim osprey]

In 1.3

[sleek turret]

yes

[neat linden]

yes

[dim osprey]

Hmm

[neat linden]

they're just rocket 1-4

but fired by grenade launcher

[dim osprey]

Cause if it’s modular it could theoretically just work for other rockets and gel too

It could cause a memory leak though

[drowsy plank]

i mean i think they were saying it is like. possible. if they programmed in every single possible variant for all the weapons. but it just isn't worth the time

cause that's a lot of work for

what like a handful of ammo types that have very minor differences

[vernal aurora]

also spriting

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[vernal aurora]

also not every vanilla launcher has rockets that look like the ammo you use

[drowsy plank]

lmao why do they even have those listed

it's the same sprite

[vernal aurora]

idk

ask the Terraria wiki

[neat linden]

because each of these is a different projectile

as in they function in different ways

even if they look the same

[slender void]

ok different types of flamethrower ammo would definitely be nice

I finished up a ranger playthrough and used flamethrowers for a decent portion of late hm

and that was my one complaint

[cobalt pewter]

tbh dart variety is still a more pressing issue than rocket / gel ammo variety

[sleek turret]

true

[cobalt pewter]

dart guns work closer to bows and guns than launchers and flamethrowers

yet there's only vanilla darts

[eternal escarp]

dart guns work exactly like bows

flamethrowers work exactly like stake launcher and the such

[cobalt pewter]

don't you hit me with technicalities young man

[eternal escarp]

also feedz theres more of a need to actually
make darts needed before you make more dart types iirc

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

theres only a singular (1 (one)) dart gun in calamity

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[eternal escarp]

Charged Dart Blaster

[sleek turret]

pre-ml weapon

[eternal escarp]

ye

[sleek turret]

almost forgettable

[drowsy plank]

add Really Charged Dart Blaster

[eternal escarp]

its actually pretty good so i dont forget it

[vernal aurora]

so calamity has the same number of total dart weapons as vanilla flamethrowers?

[sleek turret]

wait wtf

[eternal escarp]

theres 2 vanilla flamethrowers

Elf Melter and Flamethrower

so

no

[hollow idol]

eld melter

[sleek turret]

Flamethrower

Eld Melter

[eternal escarp]

good job YuH

[drowsy plank]

more like L melter

cause

bad

[sleek turret]

both are bad anyways

[neat linden]

Last time i tried elf was not shit

but breh

more dart weapons and darts tbh imo iirc afaik

[hollow idol]

monkey darts

[neat linden]

use monkey darts in charged dart blaster

real

[quiet kernel]

Post ml upgrade to monkey darts that resemble 400 dart monkey projectiles

[neat linden]

why not just 500 for extra funny

splitting projs could be cool

or 400 with spam and 500 on stealth

[quiet kernel]

Paragon version post yharon

[neat linden]

look i just want ujugg-

[vernal aurora]

make it juggernaut ball instead

[drowsy plank]

yall think asking for an actual dart progression line would be a good suggestion or is that too much work

also idk if this has been asked a lot before

[calm elm]

Terraria bloons mod

[calm elm]

its in the suggestion donts

[drowsy plank]

ah, hadn't checked in a while

there's still one from two months ago anyway with 187 votes too

lmao

[calm elm]

actually i think the dont is the reasoning of “to make a subclass only run easier”

Because those are self imposed challenges

[drowsy plank]

yeah i was just saying like. having some couldn't hurt but the point's kinda been beat into the ground. cause it's an entire weapon type that just kinda. disappears post moonlord

[blazing imp]

its hard to make item suggs without having the reasoning be "it'll be cool" (also a don't)

[calm elm]

yeah

[grim tusk]

Wrong, Tarragon throwing dart

[calm elm]

Tarragon throwing darts are actually not terrible

[neat linden]

tarra darts are good

[drowsy plank]

i meant the dart gun line moreso i suppose

[grim tusk]

Tarragon throwing darts are shit
Unless its on worm bosses or OD where its

[drowsy plank]

cause we were talking about ranger

[calm elm]

Darts on storm weaver are fun

[grim tusk]

Oh dart guns… yea those dont have post-ml ones lol

[drowsy plank]

idk how many rogue darts there are

yeah

[calm elm]

They do well on old duke???

Let me guess exhaustion phase

[grim tusk]

When he rests yea

[calm elm]

figured

[calm elm]

Or for re-killing providence for more geodes

[neat linden]

it can probably work for CV too

[calm elm]

wave pounder does that better

[neat linden]

but wave pounder is cooler so

ech

[calm elm]

ye

[drowsy plank]

the rogue "darts" are considered daggers to wiki so idk why people brings those up whenever people are talking about the dart gun line

regardless, even if im not gonna make the sugg cause someone already did not too long ago, i feel like dart weapons require a little more brainpower on average than most of their counterparts due to how their ammo type works, so expanding the line could help relieve some of the W+M1 sort of mentality ranger is stuck with

feel like that's a decent reason to consider expanding the line into post-ML

[calm elm]

w+m1?

All ranger knows is s + m1

[drowsy plank]

u know what i mean

[calm elm]

of if you wanna be technically correct, a/d + m1

But thats every class

[calm elm]

I do

[drowsy plank]

yeah exactly but that looks dumb

i know but some classes require a little more brainpower than ranger

rogue has stealth strikes, summoner has the quirks of minion AI, mage has mana, melee... is melee

like they have stuff going on

[neat linden]

melee has true melee and ark/biome blade

ranger has ammo which is very easy

and also has uhhh

braindead easy to use weapons, mostly

[vernal aurora]

not everything needs to have intricate mechanics

or really anything at all

some people just want to hold down the button and not think about it

[west jackal]

Yeah but that’s boring

The ark and biome blade line is fun as fuck

And the people who just hold it down can still do that

Just with less damage

[sand ermine]

Ranger is ammo

Lots of ammo

[west jackal]

(Also it’s more boring lmao)

[frail mantle]

i like the fact that in 1.4 there are more rocket types than there are actual rocket launchers

pretty comedic

[unique vector]

braindead is not always bad

[west jackal]

braindead things can be fun

But most of the time it’s boring

[vernal aurora]

Im pretty sure making ranger less "braindead" would require some kind of rework to how the class itself works

which sounds both hard/impossible to implement and balance and like a terrible idea when taking into account that many people would not like the change

[grim tusk]

Point blank damage exists but barely even affects ranger since it does not do much with most weapons

[fossil bronze]

maybe if point blank had a bigger range and better bonuses it'd be useful

another idea is to have it scale, like how tf2 weapons work
you deal extra damage when you're close to an enemy, and less damage if you're far away
to further encourage the player to stay near enemies and discourage running away

[digital saddle]

point blank being in every single weapon description is dumb

[vernal aurora]

why would I go against one of the main aspects of ranger (having a high range) and risk getting hit causing me to lose double damage for 5 full seconds in exchange for 1.5x damage on a few hits

actually

maybe point blank damage

is why misclicking with an explosive deals well over half your health in self damage

[crude geode]

3rd fucking repost of this sugg

[unique vector]

AMong Us

[warped tide]

AMONG US

[proud quest]

man flesh of infidelity needs a buff badly

[hollow shell]

Oh boy

[proud quest]

compared to the nights eye

[hollow shell]

A Borealis sugg

Also sure if you can give DPS and/or boss kill times for the two then you can make a suggestion about it

[proud quest]

if it could just go through walls it would be way more fair for crimson users

either nights eye gets nerfed or this gets a new ability

[hollow shell]

True I suppose that is also a important aspect, world usability

[proud quest]

yea i feel like nights eye carried me

through early hardmode

and wall of flesh

it has insane range

can go through walls

and does insane damage

flesh of infidelity is just a bouncing flesh ball

like compared to every single summoner item in the game this is the best one considering range and tracking

brb gonna eat

[fossil bronze]

instead of an option/item for detailed/simple stats it should just be like
a key that you hold to enable detailed stats

also i don't think it's necessary except for stuff like gem tech

[paper flicker]

isnt there a stat reader in game already???

[fossil bronze]

i mean for tooltip info

[paper flicker]

oh descriptions

[fossil bronze]

that's what the suggestion talked about

and like i said i think it's only really necessary for a few items that have really long descriptions

[paper flicker]

i mean the only long descriptions one are the one where it has multiple mechanics which makes sense

its also is a thing where the dev would have to rewrite/write a new system just for a single mechanic so i doubt it would happen

nor is it a game breaking thing so i generally dont see it being a thing a dev would do

[fossil bronze]

yeah that's true

[hot zephyr]

flesh of infidelity works fine in concept

but in execution it falls off, hard

[inner anvil]

Look, it is a good summon by raw stats, specifically what's wrong with it is mainly the movement.

He gets stuck here and there, if the projectile this and that. It is bad by movement, the stats shall remain as how they are.

[crude geode]

@hollow shell SIS

[small timber]

Ya too specific idea

Also we dont really need more projectile sword, gems is mostly used for early game staffs and light saber

[hollow shell]

@old prairie Reminder that Plaseblades/Phasesabers are crafting using gems

And yeah more importantly that idea is too specific

[small timber]

And if the gemstone he is referring to is the large gemstone, it should.be noted that large gemstone is use in a pvp mode (so literally cosmetic use)

[hollow shell]

Read the Don'ts Doc in pins

[old prairie]

aww man...

I'm stupid XD

[hot zephyr]

flashback to when the large gemstones was used as a standin for crown jewel

[small timber]

You might suggest give gemstone more use (if you find a good reason), but try to avoid too specific example like gemblade

Especially that you even give their name, crafting recipe, function etc

[old prairie]

ok, but suggesting items like weapons is ok as long as i don't make them too specific or complicated?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[gray nebula]

Wooohohoooo

[hollow shell]

You can suggest stuff to fill certain roles or tiers

[gray nebula]

because melee needs more weapons

[stable musk]

Nerf guardians? Seriously?

[hollow shell]

But you can't give em names or recipes or give other details for how you'd like to to be executed in specific

[unique vector]

monh

[hot zephyr]

you'll also need a pretty solid reasoning

especially for melee weapons

[old prairie]

ye, ye i read the doc's but i just wanted to make an example for a crafting recipe so that you guys can see in which tier the weapon belongs.

Ok, so we basically need more ranged and summoner Items right?

[unique vector]

more summoner and rogue weapons probably

altho im not too sure how you'd suggest any without delving into SIS territory

[hot zephyr]

i wouldn't

suggest things just to suggest things, y'know?

[small timber]

Ya we have a bit too much melee projectile mage sword right now that the reason need to be good for why we need more

[proud quest]

will flesh of infidelity be buffed

[old prairie]

i know but maybe i'll inspire someone or give them an idea they've never thought of, so i'm gonna keep using my 2 daily suggestions lol

[proud quest]

i rlly want flesh of infidelity buff

cuz eye of night is like 100x better

in every single way

imaginable

[small timber]

Also sorry for asking, what is the progress on Arcane modifier rework? Since yesterday someone posted a suggestion to buff Arcane and I just say Arcane rework is on to-do

[crude geode]

probably around the same as the mana rework

[unique vector]

heehee hoo hoo

[hot zephyr]

heehee hoo hoo

[hot zephyr]

nobody is working on content

we're porting

[crude geode]

delete suggestions until the port is done

[hot zephyr]

delete suggestions until the port is done

[old prairie]

lmao