suggestions-discussion

[cobalt heath]

aight mb

[fleet igloo]

But I'm throwing it out just to see if it can happen

[cobalt pewter]

OD can totally have better weapon and "expert" drops

but I doubt a new item will change anything

[golden tulip]

aight but most optional calamity bosses' drops suck

[cobalt heath]

actually not really

[fleet igloo]

Most of them at least have a rage/adren upgrade

[cobalt pewter]

I can't remember optional bosses' drops to comment on em

[cobalt heath]

all polter weapons are good, levi drops are good too, ravager etc

[golden tulip]

i never see myself using ravager or poltro drops

levi has 1 good weapon which is the flask

pbg has 1 good weapon which is the malachite

[fleet igloo]

At least these bosses do other things when beaten

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[golden tulip]

aureus or deus drops?

[rapid hamlet]

Both

[golden tulip]

do people actually use that

guess im just a meta slave

[rapid hamlet]

Slave

[cobalt pewter]

if anything I'd line OD closer to Duke in drops, most of Duke's drops do really well

(Tempest Staff is debatable and Duke's Decap is dog ass, but the rest are good at least)

[fleet igloo]

Isn't Duke expert drop pretty good though

[rapid hamlet]

I do

[golden tulip]

i literally dont know a single dog drop

[cobalt heath]

i do

exelsus is pretty gud

[sleek wadi]

Shrimpy Truffle is good in vanilla, not sure if it keeps up with calamity outside of wacky stuff like submerged arenas

[cobalt pewter]

Eradicator is a funny

[rapid hamlet]

Mmm sus

[cobalt heath]

and the whip thing

[cobalt pewter]

vanilla buffed it with extra speed (?) and boost conditions

[cobalt heath]

for grindng

[rapid hamlet]

Ye harder daddy

[golden tulip]

bro

[cobalt pewter]

like even without any rain or liquids, in vanilla fishron mount ZOOMS at half health or lower

[cobalt heath]

and the pony

[rapid hamlet]

Mlp

[fleet igloo]

Old Duke mount could work, but exo chair probably far outclasses it

But it lasts long enough I think

[cobalt heath]

and you get pony right after

[golden tulip]

just buff existing drops

[rapid hamlet]

Pony

[golden tulip]

daniel why do you feel the need to repeat everything

[sleek wadi]

Mutated Truffle could do more for other classes I guess

[rapid hamlet]

Because i can

[cobalt heath]

because i can

[rapid hamlet]

Ye

[cobalt heath]

ye

[fleet igloo]

Yeah this can do

[rapid hamlet]

Ye

[cobalt heath]

ye

[rapid hamlet]

Ye

[golden tulip]

splendid

[rapid hamlet]

Splendid

[cobalt heath]

ye lets stop we get reported for spam

[fleet igloo]

Actually should I just reword it to "buff Mutated Truffle", sounds much more doable

[cobalt pewter]

what does Mutated Truffle do again

[rapid hamlet]

Sur

[cobalt pewter]

[[Mutated Truffle]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Mutated_Truffle

[fleet igloo]

Summoner accessory

[sleek wadi]

Gives you a small old duke summon and thats it

[rapid hamlet]

Nice ip grabber

[fleet igloo]

Yeah maybe make it do things for other classes in addition to the summon?

[cobalt pewter]

let us ride the smol duke

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[rapid hamlet]

Im gonna be on top

[fleet igloo]

Alright, so do I reword it to "give Mutated Truffle a better use"

[golden tulip]

ig

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

Yes

[fleet igloo]

Alright I'll probably delete this one for now

inb4 I wait another week to have the motivation to type it out

[rapid hamlet]

How about no?

[golden tulip]

jesus christ daniel

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah i love u too

[fleet igloo]

Does Mutated Truffle have any more flaws I can use to drag it down even more

[cobalt heath]

remember dont drag it

1 point is enough

[rapid hamlet]

Sure

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like Mutated Truffle can be something like GSA, utilizing summon slots to be better on some way

[cobalt heath]

you got yelled at for it yesterday

[cobalt pewter]

granted then it'd be a summoner accessory but lo

[fleet igloo]

I'd probably prefer it to be usable by any class

[rapid hamlet]

Same

[sleek wadi]

I don't think Summoner particularly likes mutated truffle as the summon is all it does and other summoner accessories give you both more minions and some nice side goodies

[cobalt pewter]

if it at least works really good on a class, it's a fine enough buff to me. Jack of all trades, master of none

like

doesn't really entice me

[rapid hamlet]

Ur right

[golden tulip]

this dude

[sleek wadi]

Mutated Truffle should have some kind of extra goodies to make it more appealing to summoner at least

[cobalt pewter]

see how Luxor Gift is intended to be usable for all classes yet it does absolute jackshit on summoner

[golden tulip]

wdym you dont like your flying music note :clueless

[sleek wadi]

More than just buffing the summon itself. The current tooltip really doesn't make it all that enticing to use

Its just "Summon a dude, dude gets angry at 50%"

[rapid hamlet]

Nice green nickname u got there

[golden tulip]

thanks

[sleek wadi]

Why would I spend a slot on that at post-ML where accessories start getting either nutty effects or a ton of them

[cobalt pewter]

hopefully shrines rework would address the items as well, hopefully

[rapid hamlet]

Like green Nutella, thats lit

[fleet igloo]

Rework Mutated Truffle

Currently, Mutated Truffle doesn't have much use for non-summoner players, and even for summoners it's not that useful, as other accessories at that stage provide way more utility. I think it would be better to rework it to give it more utility so that it can be used by all players, so that they have more incentive to seek out Old Duke. [uhh whatever effects it would have I guess]

How about this

[cobalt pewter]

for "expert" accs on that lategame, it needs to be broken to be good, yes, like Neb Core

well, broken as in crutch, for neb core's case

but point still stands

[golden tulip]

what expert accessories

[sleek wadi]

You should leave what effects it should have blank as that gives devs all the freedom they want to make it cool

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[fleet igloo]

I'm probably going to give vague suggestions or something so that devs can know what the idea is?

[sleek wadi]

Doesn't matter what the cooler Mutated Truffle looks like, just that it exists

[fleet igloo]

I'm worried that it'll turn out to be not that worth it even after the rework

[rapid hamlet]

Dont worry about it mate

[fleet igloo]

The suggestions would just be something like "a possible way to do it would be to [whatever it is]"

[golden tulip]

i have no idea if that comes close to a sis

[rapid hamlet]

Same

[golden tulip]

daniel listen my dude you are seriously annoying me

[rapid hamlet]

U wanna be friends?

[golden tulip]

no

fuck off

[rapid hamlet]

U sure?

[fleet igloo]

Is there anything else I can add to this then

[sleek wadi]

That wouldn't be SIS if its something like "give it a damage boost or something"

[golden tulip]

thatd just be buffing and youd need specific testing for that

[fleet igloo]

what does SIS mean

[golden tulip]

specific item suggestion

[sleek wadi]

SIS is more so "Make it deal 2500 damage, use time of 10, shoots at this angle, etc."

[golden tulip]

explanation is in the suggestion doc

[golden tulip]

i guess so

[fleet igloo]

I'll probably add the "expert drop" part into the sugg

Would bringing up Old Duke's place in progression (the "sulph sea final boss" thing) help or hurt

[golden tulip]

expert drops dont exist

lol

[golden tulip]

i think itd help

[fleet igloo]

Making it an upgraded Luxor's Gift sounds good

[muted osprey]

honestly it'd be pretty cool if mutated truffle became a mount instead and on top of infinite flight you get a dash ability

so that people don't only use slime mount and draedon gamer chair

[golden tulip]

and sus bean

[muted osprey]

supposedly people don't use jelly bean anymore because it thicc

[rapid hamlet]

@golden tulip so we friends, right?

[eternal escarp]

jelly is slower iirc but works in water

thats the pro/con basically

aka slimy is usually more used

[golden tulip]

huh

i thought sus bean was an upgrade

[muted osprey]

isn't jelly faster or did they change that

[eternal escarp]

mightve changed in 1.5?

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah, an update for our friendship

[untold pagoda]

[eternal escarp]

but i remember slimy being faster

[fleet igloo]

Rework Mutated Truffle

Currently, Mutated Truffle doesn't have much use for non-summoner players, and even for summoners it's not that useful, as other accessories at that stage provide way more utility.

Old Duke has a climactic place in progression, serving as the final boss of the sulphurous sea, however the rewards from beating it feel underwhelming as of now. Reworking its "Expert drop", its one guaranteed drop to make it more useful to the other classes so that it can be used by all players as well as putting it on the same usefulness level as the other "Expert drops" at its stage would go a long way in solve this problem, and give players much more incentive to fight the boss.

Some possible ways to do it would be to make it a mount to keep with the Fishron theming, or by making its effect vary depending on what weapon is being held similarly to Luxor's gift.

How about this

[untold pagoda]

hmmm

[rapid hamlet]

Hmm

[untold pagoda]

or just change the way the truffle attacks

[muted osprey]

honestly quite incredible really

[rapid hamlet]

Agreed

[untold pagoda]

yeah just changing the way it attacks is good

would make it a lot flashier and cooler

and well, better

cause then it could keep up with enemies

[rapid hamlet]

U tell them

[untold pagoda]

no

[eternal escarp]

cool the vanilla wiki says everything about the slimy mount except fall speed

[untold pagoda]

its your sugg

[rapid hamlet]

Its my ligma

[fleet igloo]

I'd prefer to not make it class specific though

[eternal escarp]

but jelly bean has a 102 max fall speed which im fairly certain is slightly lower then slimy mount

[golden tulip]

can this guy get banned

[muted osprey]

I still would prefer it to be a mount such that people stop using slime mount and draedon's rgb gaming setup

[fleet igloo]

Unless the summon deals different class damage depending on the help weapon?

[untold pagoda]

please

[eternal escarp]

could just ping a mod instead of letting him continue :/

anyhow

[rapid hamlet]

I didnt do anything

[muted osprey]

being an annoyance counts as doing something :D

[rapid hamlet]

No

[untold pagoda]

its called being disruptive

which is against the rules

[golden tulip]

pixl is offline 🥺

[eternal escarp]

..as well as putting it on the same usefulness level as the other "Expert drops" at its stage..
i agree with your sugg but

i wouldnt call many of the expert drops post ml to be

very good

[rapid hamlet]

But at least Nutella is my new friend

[untold pagoda]

affliction is good

[eternal escarp]

only one i can thing of is Nebulous Core nowadays

oh Affliction is expert?

[untold pagoda]

yea

[eternal escarp]

well then yeah that too

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[muted osprey]

smh blat

[eternal escarp]

but like, Blazing Core and ML's drop and Dynamo Cells are

[untold pagoda]

blazing core is decent too

[eternal escarp]

ech

[muted osprey]

byeah only those 2 are good

[eternal escarp]

they exist but
they arent worth

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[muted osprey]

dynamo cells can be decent

[untold pagoda]

stem cells are "ok" with fast firing things

[eternal escarp]

Dynamo Cells has more use for the 15% MS

[muted osprey]

everything else should just go into the trash

lol?

[rapid hamlet]

Agreed

[eternal escarp]

the funny little dragonfollys arent too good afaik

[untold pagoda]

its like p90

one isnt very good but a lot of them is great

[eternal escarp]

byeah i agree with the general idea of Mutated Truffle needing more then just being a summon weapon in accessory form

[golden tulip]

OD just not really worth rn in general

[untold pagoda]

it doesnt even do that good

[eternal escarp]

nut thats half wrong imo

[untold pagoda]

he is very worth

[eternal escarp]

many OD drops are really good

[golden tulip]

like which

[untold pagoda]

worth as in fun

[golden tulip]

yeah od is a very fun boss

[eternal escarp]

Insidious Impaler, Toxicant Twister, Fetid Emesis, Skeptic Skewer

[muted osprey]

OD is fun but I'm bad

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah fun

[muted osprey]

lol?

[untold pagoda]

vitrolic viper

[eternal escarp]

yeah i forgot the name of that

[untold pagoda]

i think thats its name

[tardy smelt]

skill issue iirc >:3

[eternal escarp]

was about to say

[golden tulip]

like i said guess im just a meta slave

[fleet igloo]

Yeah I do have an idea to make it a mount with offensive capabilities to make it an alternative to exo chair

[rapid hamlet]

Slave

[muted osprey]

:(

[eternal escarp]

you are indeed

byeah

[untold pagoda]

meta slave

cringe

[rapid hamlet]

Real

[tardy smelt]

[golden tulip]

@marble hazel annoying man

[untold pagoda]

also hi lgl

[tardy smelt]

hiyaa~

[eternal escarp]

OD's got many good drops, including The Reaper (malice drops arent staying for long mechanically

[rapid hamlet]

Hi lgl

[untold pagoda]

why is his status monsoon but sus

its making me uncomfortable

[muted osprey]

trolled

[untold pagoda]

[eternal escarp]

the only meh thing it has is Cadaverous whatever

[untold pagoda]

the reapet is meh

[rapid hamlet]

[eternal escarp]

i forgot the sentry's name

[untold pagoda]

so does everyone dw

[rapid hamlet]

Turret

[ruby plover]

cadeverous carrion?

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[marble hazel]

real

[eternal escarp]

yeah taht one

[tardy smelt]

i heard it has decent dps

but, unsure

[untold pagoda]

yea its ok

[eternal escarp]

also hi tiki, theres some complaints on someone here

[tardy smelt]

it also has a very finnicky targetting mechanic

[eternal escarp]

dunno really didnt bother

[rapid hamlet]

Same

[golden tulip]

danielone

is being really annoying

[rapid hamlet]

How im being annoying

[untold pagoda]

by being cringe and disruptive

clearly

[eternal escarp]

you are pretty much promoting nothing to the convo and disrupting yeah

[rapid hamlet]

No?

[marble hazel]

aight lets all calm down now

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

byeah back to the topic for me
OD's drops are rather good, Mutated Truffle is a bit of a let down

[marble hazel]

i think what they mean si that yo ucant just send one off messages coz it contributes nothing

[muted osprey]

forcing people to be your friend

[eternal escarp]

so i do agree with the sugg and it looks good to post

oh you already posted it

cool

[marble hazel]

so if you're gonna saysomethin atleast let it have some value instead of "yeah" "emote" "lol"

[untold pagoda]

obsessive possessive

[marble hazel]

thats all bye

[rapid hamlet]

Bye

[untold pagoda]

bye monsus

[eternal escarp]

👍 tiki for mayor

[untold pagoda]

tiki for owner tbh

[golden tulip]

this server is in dire need of clueless

[eternal escarp]

although

[untold pagoda]

[tardy smelt]

:clueless:

[eternal escarp]

i might be confusing with Calval

[untold pagoda]

nitro issue iirc

[eternal escarp]

but isnt there already an OD pigron mount thing?

[golden tulip]

imagine paying for discord

[muted osprey]

Blasterd don't you have nitro

[tardy smelt]

don't think so...?

[untold pagoda]

nah

[rapid hamlet]

I imagined

[untold pagoda]

there isnt

[eternal escarp]

okay yeah its calval

[untold pagoda]

oh shit it is

based

[golden tulip]

stop pinging me

[muted osprey]

imagine confusing calval items with base mod items :cluel

[golden tulip]

@rapid hamlet

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah OD has another weird accesory
Old Duke's Scales

[untold pagoda]

reply ping

[rapid hamlet]

I replied to u

[eternal escarp]

but other then that yeah OD has good drops

[muted osprey]

that thing exists

[golden tulip]

pbg jetpack is so busted

[rapid hamlet]

Sup bro

[muted osprey]

wasn't it like a

rogue acc

[eternal escarp]

its a stat stick now i think

[muted osprey]

true

[untold pagoda]

yea its pretty giod

the dash is funko

[muted osprey]

sad

[untold pagoda]

peak minmax

[muted osprey]

take damage to deal more damage

[eternal escarp]

basically its "have no life regen and you get slightly better destroyer emblem"

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah that's so wrong

[eternal escarp]

aka you use Omega Blue

its not wrong, thats not what the topic was

[muted osprey]

it's not "wrong", it's not worth it

[rapid hamlet]

It doesn't matter anymore

[muted osprey]

???

[rapid hamlet]

U wanna be friends?

[golden tulip]

holy fucking shit

[muted osprey]

no

[rapid hamlet]

Why not

[eternal escarp]

yeah just block at this point

[rapid hamlet]

Block what

Yeah man im so happy

[untold pagoda]

this guy is annoying

[golden tulip]

i cant tell if its a troll or a 9 year old

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-posting message isnt the whole point that in deathmode, you dont get to know with a headstart when DoG switched AI

[rapid hamlet]

Its both

[eternal escarp]

like, the sky is dark for a reason

[untold pagoda]

subtos ban

doit

[muted osprey]

called it

[eternal escarp]

in Rev+ theres the sky changing color when he changes AI

[rapid hamlet]

Yeah

[cobalt heath]

thats what that means?

[eternal escarp]

but im fairly certain the whole point for Deathmode is to not tell you when he switches AI

[untold pagoda]

yea thats the point

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats what it means

[golden tulip]

ye

[untold pagoda]

its based more on reaction time

to react to ai changes

[golden tulip]

ngl i have never paid attention to the sky

[eternal escarp]

i think pink is aggresive, blue is passive

[untold pagoda]

you could also count so uh

[eternal escarp]

yeah lol

id ping the suggestor about that but honestly

doubt itd pass anyways

[muted osprey]

I mean it's not cool when DoG suddenly dashes to you at record speeds and you take a shitton of damage

[eternal escarp]

seeing as they want to make the thing that is purposefully hiddeon from the player unhidden

[cobalt heath]

and just putting minimap behind you for the fight

[untold pagoda]

boss suggs dont pass anyway

[muted osprey]

when 2 seconds ago he was just letting you hit him

[rapid hamlet]

Hi aleks

[eternal escarp]

boss suggestions can pass

OD looking to where he dashes instead of the player was a sugg

[cobalt heath]

the thing is that suggs can pass but devs can reject them

[untold pagoda]

i wonder if balks would change

[eternal escarp]

when we say pass we theoretically mean approved in this sense

[rapid hamlet]

I wonder too

[untold pagoda]

would be really cool

[golden tulip]

balks?

[untold pagoda]

i think my sugg is decebt

[rapid hamlet]

I think so too

[eternal escarp]

@small timber small nitpick but you spelled Artifact as Artifcat

[untold pagoda]

mobile

[muted osprey]

?

[untold pagoda]

i meant to way balls

[golden tulip]

im so confused

oh

lmao

[cobalt heath]

it shoots at you and the spit balls are annoying

[muted osprey]

lol

[untold pagoda]

lo

[rapid hamlet]

Lol

[untold pagoda]

welp

1% battery

it was nice speaking to you

[muted osprey]

death

[cobalt heath]

time to get charger

[rapid hamlet]

Bye, take care

[untold pagoda]

[muted osprey]

cya cocaine

[eternal escarp]

and missed an "L" in Spectral Veil

[muted osprey]

I meant coke woops haha

[eternal escarp]

i am

[golden tulip]

crying

[muted osprey]

(someone else pls make the dad joke for me I have sworn abstenance)

[cobalt heath]

hi i am, im dad

[eternal escarp]

you completely butchered the joke

[golden tulip]

hi

[cobalt heath]

i know

cause dad jokes are not allowed to be funny

[rapid hamlet]

But they r

[muted osprey]

damn .....

can't argue with that

[cobalt heath]

i want to make a sugg idea wich isnt possible atm

or is possible but would be easier after 1.4 tmod

scal telling stories of her adventures based on what biome she is

exactly

[eternal escarp]

"ah yes this is the ocean i burned"
"ah yes this is the civilization i was forced to destroy"
"ah yes this is the mountain where my family was killed"

[golden tulip]

i really wanna know what biome scal would love

[eternal escarp]

purity, i think?

shed likely hate the biomes she touched, i.e desert and crags

[cobalt heath]

i feel like she would go nicely to sky islands

[eternal escarp]

sky islands is purity

[cobalt heath]

oh

[eternal escarp]

by technicallity

because sky islands are not a biome

[golden tulip]

doubt crags would get a pylon

its a hostile biome

[eternal escarp]

i think the only idealized pylon is sunken sea?

[golden tulip]

hm

[eternal escarp]

who knows ig

[cobalt heath]

we shall see

[golden tulip]

sulph sea pylon 🥺

[eternal escarp]

i mean amidias goes ocean
cirrus goes hallow
permafrost goes tundra
bandit and scal go purity ig

no one

[golden tulip]

yharim :troll

[eternal escarp]

Silva

[cobalt heath]

bandit i think want to be in caves

[muted osprey]

Yharim when he is constantly reminded of war crimes!

[golden tulip]

who'd love the sunken sea then

[cobalt heath]

yharim goes to the jungle

[golden tulip]

implying yharim becomes a town npc

[cobalt heath]

we know we wont kill him

[eternal escarp]

angler is already ocean

[golden tulip]

we dont kill draedon either but he doesnt turn into a town npc

[eternal escarp]

i dont see why'd they relocate vanilla npcs tbh

[cobalt heath]

cause draedon isnt actually there, its a hologram

[golden tulip]

angler is great at the ocean we literally find him there

[golden tulip]

that doesnt dismiss my statement

[eternal escarp]

amidias would be desert
if the desert was the ocean it used to be

so

hed likely go ocean

the issue with making sunken sea houses is that

[cobalt heath]

the thing is

where does fabsol goe

[eternal escarp]

water always generates in the unsafe walls

hallow

[golden tulip]

also do we know that we wont kill yharim??

[eternal escarp]

cirrus is pretty much confirmed hallow

we dont

[cobalt heath]

its has been implied we wont

[eternal escarp]

since when

[golden tulip]

yea like howd u get that info laoo

[cobalt heath]

but no concretic info

[eternal escarp]

ive never heard any implications to anything that isnt the idea of yharim's fight

[cobalt heath]

okay yeah we have nothing to say we wont kill him

[small timber]

Isnt amidiss sunken sea? Didnt refer above I assume talking about npc happiness

[eternal escarp]

amidias doesnt live in the sunken sea

he used to live in the ocean that became the desert

[cobalt heath]

he is trapped there

[eternal escarp]

after blah blah scal destroyed the ocean lore lo

[golden tulip]

archmage gets to go back to cryo's body :clueless

[eternal escarp]

he just fled to the sunken sea yeah

[eternal escarp]

s

[small timber]

calamity non-sulphur sea side ocean rework soon™️ in year 2030

[eternal escarp]

LnA exist
enough iirc

the ocean is too small for major content anyways

it has a couple of enemies and another boss i think its somewhat enough

Leviathan and Anahita

[cobalt heath]

anyways sugg dc

[frozen hornet]

He is there, you literally turn him into scrap metal

[small timber]

They can expand downwards and put an underwater city there, but ya this is out of topic

[eternal escarp]

[frozen hornet]

it's after you shoot him down that he reappears as a hologram

[eternal escarp]

i mean the underwater city wasnt in the same ocean

[cobalt heath]

sugg dc go to lore or general

[eternal escarp]

so itd not make much sense

also this discussion is about a theoretical sugg you proposed which can very well be suggested currently

or well

atleast the scal part was

[cobalt heath]

i know but i also think about devs

[eternal escarp]

Amidias being the only major lore giver is pretty uh, yeah

though id argue the Bestiary will help with providing lore aswell

[cobalt heath]

its annoying to custom code something when something in the future can implement it much easier

[golden tulip]

i imagine a big chunk of lore will be accessible with the bestiary in 1.4

[eternal escarp]

i mean

you can just check

if scal is in biome then

allow dialogue

[small timber]

I think just tell it by souls-game/elden ring approach, the lore is there but if you dont care about it the game also dont stuff it in your face

[eternal escarp]

its not that hard afaik

[golden tulip]

oh you said exactly the same thing

[eternal escarp]

way less complex then other things

[cobalt heath]

aight imma sug it after i do my swedish work

[eternal escarp]

also lore in cal is being majorly rewritten so
its not weird that it isnt told that well currently

[small timber]

Nono I dont mean the game currently does that, I mean the approach to tell lore in general

[eternal escarp]

fair

[fleet igloo]

I always thought they're also slowly integrating the new lore? As in, they won't do something like change the entire lore in an update, instead doing it in a more gradual way

[eternal escarp]

yeah newer additions would usually follow new lore

(if said addition is lore related, not everything is

[golden tulip]

idek what the new lore is

like, where does it end and where does it start

[eternal escarp]

its not exactly public i think since some parts of it are still

[golden tulip]

is draedon lore new

[eternal escarp]

being rewritten

draedon is canon currently

while things like DoG's design are not

[golden tulip]

huh

interesting

[eternal escarp]

currently SCal is also lore accurate

while Calamitas isnt exactly

[cobalt pewter]

mrrp

[eternal escarp]

mrrp is cringe

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[small timber]

most important lore is astrum aureus a cyborg spider or crab

[eternal escarp]

what the fuck is ignalius

[muted osprey]

yharman bro

[eternal escarp]

oh them

werent they snapped ages ago

[muted osprey]

not yet

[golden tulip]

what calamitas lore is there

[muted osprey]

they still exist in lore

[golden tulip]

failed clone #2008381

[eternal escarp]

mostly Calamitas' design aswell

since SCal isnt an eye

and neither should her clone be

[golden tulip]

the clone was very failed

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt heath]

clone needs new art

[golden tulip]

there is concept art for a new design

[muted osprey]

how do you fuck up the cloning of a human so bad it becomes a metal eye

[golden tulip]

drugs

[cobalt heath]

it needs change so we get something later

cause thats kinda obvious so i think art team is on it

but yharon first of cource

[golden tulip]

brimmy will be next i think

[cobalt heath]

i think aureus was gonna get a resprite too sometime later?

[eternal escarp]

brimmy is close to done i think

yharon aswell

cryogen is half going

[golden tulip]

theyve said this for a year lmao

[eternal escarp]

calamitas only has concept art aswell as DoG

spriting isnt easy :/

[cobalt heath]

and i think the both scourges again

[eternal escarp]

plus they dont work 24/7

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QOZwF0hsg7sOa30ctPQ51kct9vFt0OVKeGs0bqAuRDE/edit?usp=sharing

[golden tulip]

yeah i get that spriting is hard but then dont say its nearly done

[cobalt heath]

ceaseless is being worked on too

[eternal escarp]

the sprite is nearly done

animating the sprite?

lmao

[muted osprey]

@ashen warren you're not supposed to talk there lol

talk here

[golden tulip]

[ashen warren]

doo

[tardy geyser]

🗜️

[ashen warren]

i cannot play the game anymore too

[golden tulip]

huh

[muted osprey]

what even is a library shared tml

[ashen warren]

harder way of getting it work, library share is just someone else owns the game but he shares in steam with you

[rapid hamlet]

Hi Sam

[ashen warren]

hi doodoo

[rapid hamlet]

How r u my man

[ashen warren]

dead

[muted osprey]

💀

[rapid hamlet]

[ashen warren]

😰

[golden tulip]

if the status of the resprite is "nearly done" for over a year and it does get worked on, it is clearly not nearly done

[frozen hornet]

Clearly it isn't being worked on

[eternal escarp]

yeah it wasnt said its actively worked on

iirc

[golden tulip]

i suppose so

[frozen hornet]

Nitro left and no one wants to do it yet

That's why it's been like that for a year

[golden tulip]

in other words, its not coming

[frozen hornet]

Not anytime soon

Unless iban or somebody does a funny

[golden tulip]

also just said this because

teal name

even though dragonfolly is also teal but in its description it says "it's not being worked on" 😐

[cobalt heath]

dragfolly doesnt rly need one

[eternal escarp]

complain to iban i think

[cobalt heath]

it looks so good atm

[golden tulip]

i like folly

[cobalt heath]

folly is derpy

and that fits

[eternal escarp]

(doesnt really imo)

its a good sprite but id personally like an even more serious look at the design

[frozen hornet]

It's a bird

I don't really see the derpiness

[eternal escarp]

as little "bumblebird" we can get the better

[golden tulip]

ive never seen it as derpy

lol

[eternal escarp]

its currently fine but i could dig up a better redesign

[golden tulip]

you can?

[frozen hornet]

Dig it up then and show us

[cobalt heath]

the funny thing is that we could just make em ourselves

[eternal escarp]

wrong intention when i said dig up

[golden tulip]

that is a bold statement

[cobalt heath]

and sugg it

[eternal escarp]

i meant as in

"id be up if something better was made"

[golden tulip]

hm

[cobalt heath]

but its in no hurry

[frozen hornet]

Yea but will it be better than the devs' design

[golden tulip]

iban is top tier

[eternal escarp]

boss redesigns will never be accepted anyways

[golden tulip]

byea i think either brimmy or maybe cryo will be next

[cobalt heath]

metarex is proof that yes rarely we can make it better (he made polter before he was a dev)

[cobalt pewter]

boss (re)sprites and AI are probably the off limits for suggs

[cobalt heath]

yup

iban comes and puts a sword up your ass if you try to rush art devs

[cobalt pewter]

boss resprites have always been usually turned down if it's for no significant reason anyways

even before iban

(I think)

[cobalt heath]

gotta love iban do

[frozen hornet]

If you had a concept it'd be better to submit in the art server (and get denied)

[eternal escarp]

yeah boss sprite submittions usually sont pass because they hold very high standards

and because pretty much devs always have plans for lackluster sprites

(yharon, polterghast

[frozen hornet]

I'm pretty sure the last boss resprite that was accepted was slime god

[eternal escarp]

it was made by someone in the team wasnt it

[cobalt heath]

unless you make something actually really good it wont even get considered

[frozen hornet]

It was made by xelo

[fossil finch]

That was like 4 years ago things are very different now

[eternal escarp]

no it doesnt matter if its really good
bonkers sprites were made and rejected

they conflicted with dev plans and therefore rejected

[cobalt heath]

so pretty much the art team has ideas and they need to make it so they enjoy and are able to make it

[eternal escarp]

i domt understand that statement exactly

its just that the spriters have their own designs that also fit with other plans for the developmemt of the mod

which is why its unlikely for any external boss redesign to make it in

or any weapon that is planned reworks (biome blade was an example

etc

even if the sprite is good it could be rejected if its not fitting the plans

also why boss resprites arent suggested and usually discouraged in some of the concept arts in the doc

[inner lark]

Is this a good suggestion?

Change the artemis emblem to a more orange and silver colour pallet/resprite it

Currently there are no references to the greek goddess in question and there are no reasons for that colour scheme. However eith the exo mech update, it introduces the Artemis mech, so bringing the accessory in line with the boss makes sense from a technical standpoint

[eternal escarp]

i meam artemis emblem isnt related to artemis boss

[inner lark]

But it could be

[frozen hornet]

it's not

[eternal escarp]

they sre both relating to artemis god but nothing related between the two

[tawny garden]

In fairness, anything can be rejected if it's not fitting the plans

Especially if it's about bosses

[eternal escarp]

yeah but the standards for bosses are significantly higher

thats the thing basically

anyways the sugg is, valid
it just doesnt make sense

[cobalt heath]

well yes but that would mean relations to greek mythology and i dont think thats funny to now add to the mod

and yes there is ares etc

[frozen hornet]

you see artemis is the god, XS-01 artemis is the mech

They're different things

[eternal escarp]

artemis emblem is a random accesory and isnt related to artemis mech at all

its called artemis emblem because its a ranger accessory, not because its related to artemis boss

[frozen hornet]

Just because they're the same name doesn't mean they're the same

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[inner lark]

I'm just staying that a resprite of the accessory could hint towards the mech albeit subtly

[eternal escarp]

it would be very weird though

[frozen hornet]

they're not connected in any way

[eternal escarp]

nothing connects the two

artemis isnt made with anything draedon related, simply "doing it for the vine" is very random

[cobalt heath]

and i think it might have other lore hence artemis isnt always related greek its just meaning off a great archer

[frozen hornet]

getting a draedon themed accessory pre-ML

[eternal escarp]

theres no lore

its just called artemis emblem because artemis is a god of archery
its not lore just a reference

it used to be daedalus emblem beforehand anyways so

absolutely no lore involved, its just a cool name

destroyer emblem isnt related to the destroyer (design wise

[small timber]

Or avenger emblem to marvel movie, it is just a name, no need to make everything relate to lore

[eternal escarp]

i was about to say sargent shield

but

yeah sure

[cobalt heath]

or to something in the game

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren

[eternal escarp]

yeah we mentioned that

they just sent a random message so at that point just remove it

[golden tulip]

[eternal escarp]

also rover

wait im getting the convo link

[eternal escarp]

here

isnt the sugg practically asking for something specifically hidden in deathmode?

i feel like its a bit counterintuitive, but maybe i just misinterpreted it

[small timber]

That one is worded abit weirdly,but essentially

It is referring to DoG later phase where he just gain speed of light for like 1 sec, especislly A God does not fear death phase, basically to give that telepgraph

[eternal escarp]

i mean it looks like

its more so refering to his AI switches
which are telegraphed in Rev downwards

as if they didnt get telegraphed

[small timber]

Ya initially he worded is differently, make it better, but now back to confusing again

[hollow shell]

Well, not really 'telegraphed', just that there's a full screen effect when it happens

But, yeah that is indeed the point of Death Mode making the sky black

[eternal escarp]

i mean, the screen effect lasts the whole time

id call it a rather large telegraph

[ashen warren]

yees??

[hollow shell]

Telegraph implies it happens before something

[eternal escarp]

ah, fair

[hollow shell]

You said "no" in #suggestions-posting

[small timber]

Because the suggestion is referring to give telegraph to the extremely sudden speed boost (which is due to AI change) not necessarily to give telegraph to AI change

[ashen warren]

aand?

[eternal escarp]

well but it is a rather large tell to his current AI

[small timber]

Although with how he word it now I also not sure

[cobalt heath]

dsg you play w fire atm

[hollow shell]

That's not a discussion channel. I deleted your message now

[ashen warren]

be ready for the next message in 13:50

[hollow shell]

That is definitely not how its worded

[ashen warren]

no?

[hollow shell]

They explicitly say AI multiple tines

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[golden tulip]

what is even going on right now

[eternal escarp]

they gave the "god does not fear death "just as a time where its majorly noticeable

(though personally i dont exactly see that i think

[hollow shell]

A normal convo, but DSG is also here just doing whatever

[eternal escarp]

its not like you should be right up DoGs mouth anyways so

[golden tulip]

[hollow shell]

But uhh yeah

[small timber]

Ya I also not sure what he is referring now, initially it is for that

[eternal escarp]

wanted to ping the suggestor beforehand but i wasnt sure if i misinterpreted it, since the AI switches are majorly told to the player

[small timber]

Now it just seems like "undo death mode black sky"

[eternal escarp]

regardless then, i guess it is a good time to ping them

@tribal narwhal should read a bit of the above

what you suggest for alreasy exists in DoGs background colors, and specifically doesnt exist in his deathmode AI

woops, sorry rover

[small timber]

I thought you are referring to this ^ but what you basically worded it is "undo DoG death mode black sky"

[hollow shell]

(Well not really cuz Death Mode was only mentioned once)

[eternal escarp]

well yeah but the theoretical sugg would undo that idea regardless

so, ig?

on a very small sidenote, im happy the T2 acid rain sugg got implemented

makes early HM less jumbled

even if its by a slight bit

[small timber]

And also finally dont get hit by invisible nuke aoe

[hollow shell]

Ye, a good trio of changelogs

[frozen hornet]

I'm assuming they've already been rebalanced

[golden tulip]

no all tier shifts go unbalanced 👍

[frozen hornet]

True..

[cobalt pewter]

Chlorophyte is real

[golden tulip]

isnt it 4 in 1.4 as well?

[distant gyro]

5

[golden tulip]

oh

[cobalt pewter]

Bone Wings having an independent effect would be nice

honestly tho, it's kinda weird how Bone Wings boost Necro armor instead of cal just, adding a Necro upgrade somewhere else

[small timber]

(well it is +1 armor set instead of just give stats to wing) but ya, Bone Wing being working only for a pre-HM armor do not really make a lot of sense

[golden tulip]

detailed

[small timber]

ya thats why it is (tbh not gonna happen)

eventhough it is the approach that make the most sense

[eternal escarp]

just make bone wings upgrade with the set

plague ripper mantle

[fossil finch]

Bone wings synergy is funny so don't remove it

[eternal escarp]

its funny but still not worth iirc

[small timber]

just buff it tbh, just give it more stats

otherwise there is not reason to use it over shroomite or even daedalus (which both have pretty good set bonus)

[eternal escarp]

isnt bone wings post 1 mech

[small timber]

is it? because bone feather is post-Plantera

[eternal escarp]

wait really

[small timber]

unless they change when it drop

[eternal escarp]

bruhhh

[small timber]

I checked changelog for bone feather so at least changelog didnt specify it is changed

[eternal escarp]

yeah that's kinds cringe then tbh

[small timber]

bone feather is dropped from post-plantera dungeon enemy

[grim tusk]

plague reaper

[worthy orchid]

yea its weird for post plant wings to boost a pre-hm set

[cobalt pewter]

I forgot plague reaper exists

[crude geode]

@fleet igloo have you seen some of the other expert mode drops? Mutated Truffle is by far one of the more fine ones lol

[fleet igloo]

Hmm not really

Still, main problem here is that it's summoner only, which makes Old Duke not so worth it

I guess I should remove the "make it as good as other accessories" part to make it sound more like I know what I'm talking about?

[crude geode]

Astral Bulwark, Leviathan Ambergris, Toxic Heart, Calamity

[fleet igloo]

Are these the good or bad ones

[crude geode]

Bad ones, generally speaking

also dynamo stem cells lol

Byeah remove the part about “on tier with other expert mode acc.” Because expert mode accessories have wildly variable value

I would disagree with the fact that mutated truffle should be modified to be an all class accessory instead of, say, the other accessory Old Duke drops that is far more “all class.”

[unique vector]

700+ messages

guh

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion does a little trolling

[unique vector]

lotsa bickering

dead

[fleet igloo]

That one has a 10% drop chance so you'd have to farm the boss for it, and one of the reasonings for the sugg is "me no like grinding boss, want good thing on first try"

[muted osprey]

sugg disc judging the sugg poster's every sin

[crude geode]

Then swap the drop chance of it and mutated truffle

[fleet igloo]

Not sure how likely that is to be accepted though

If this doesn't get in I might re-suggest with that one

[small timber]

"making old duke not so worth it" is extremely subjective, most of the time you dont even care about boss expert drops

and old duke have some really useful weapon especially against DoG

[fleet igloo]

class weapon not guaranteed, me no like

I mean if expert drop is good it's much more worth it isn't it

Also normal duke's 10% drop and expert drop are both good I think?

[small timber]

if Expert drop is good then it is welcome, but it should not use it to complete invalidate all other drops the boss have

so rather than focusing on "old duke have no good drop because its expert drop sucks therefore fighting old duke sucks", focus on "its expert drop sucks and could had been better"

[fleet igloo]

Fair

How do you recommend I phrase it

[small timber]

I think the current version is actually fine, if you have to add something then I guess just add where "its reward except weapons feel underwhelming" instead of "all of its rewards feel underwhelming"

since the later statement is objectively not true

[fleet igloo]

Hmm

[small timber]

since your entire suggestion is actually "yo mutated truffle as an expert drop sucks" therefore you dont have to change much to cater towards anything else

[fleet igloo]

The sentiment is more of "Old Duke's rewards don't feel enough for its place as acid rain boss and stuff, and changing Mutated Truffle could help solve that"

So maybe "having more guarantees besides weapons"?

[small timber]

ya, and the counter argument is just "Old Duke's weapon is a useful reward, Old Duke is by no means not rewarding"

so the only thing you need to add is except weapons, other stuff simply is not rewarding

(although not all bosses have to be progression boss), but since your suggestion is "make mutated truffle more useful" I think just focus on that

[fleet igloo]

What about "underwhelming because the only drop is weapons, which can be gotten from other things way more easily"

[small timber]

or that "its only relevant reward is weapon, which can easily be substituted with weapons on similar tier, such as Polterghast/bloodflare weapons"

or even post-polter abyss loot, because old duke is not required for reaper-shark tier weapon for some reason

that said why is reaper shark/last tier abyss stuff not locked behind old duke in the first place, but polter for some reason that unlock both acid rain tier 3 and abyss loot

[fleet igloo]

Hmm I wouldn't mind the rewards that much if that were the case lol

But I think they explicitly rejected that so

I could try digging it up

#suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

somewhat recently too, hmm kinda weird, I guess just focus on buffing mutated truffle then

[fleet igloo]

Do I want to add something like "alternatively, make the scales guaranteed to drop"

Though from what I've heard it's not that good

[small timber]

then you have to change most of the suggestion

or you can just make a 2nd suggestion for that (and also to prevent people with contradicting opinion to be unable to vote yes for the suggestion, since it is kinda the opposite to buffing mutated truffle)

[golden tulip]

wtf this is awesome

[small timber]

I think the whole reason is just they want to keep old duke completely optional, but ya, could had been cool

[golden tulip]

makes sense

[fleet igloo]

That's actually why I went with giving it a good 100% chance drop instead

If the drop is good enough, it's still optional, but there's more of a reason to fight it

Do people actually fight bosses for weapons though

I fight them just for completion's sake

[golden tulip]

i fight all bosses cus its fun

except for queen bee

[fleet igloo]

Nothing wrong with that

[golden tulip]

fuck that

finding a hive is a pain in the ass

[fleet igloo]

But for me it's a bit discouraging when I may not even be able to get the weapon I can actually use from it

[golden tulip]

just farm

[fleet igloo]

Finally I beat the bo- wait I can't use any of the drops

[golden tulip]

wait what why cant you use it am i being dumb

[fleet igloo]

Not my class

[golden tulip]

oh

[fleet igloo]

I could force myself to use it, but it probably wouldn't be good

cue me repeatedly searching the abyss for Black Anurian to fight Slime God, being unable to go any deeper, and giving up and using Lionfish instead

[golden tulip]

well thats just rng

[frozen hornet]

Just fish smh...

[fleet igloo]

Abyss weapons from crates are post-Slime God

[frozen hornet]

oh damn

actually why is it not post skelly

[fleet igloo]

Who knows

Also, having to do refights just to get the drop I want, especially if the boss doesn't unlock anything other than its drops, is just painful for me

[unique vector]

mungus

[unique vector]

does wherher a boss unlocks something new or not rlly affect its enjoyability to refight

when thats a one-time event

[fleet igloo]

Say, if the boss unlocks ores, I can mine the ores, craft good things from them, then go back for a refight with said good things making the fight much easier

I had to keep dying and going back, and now that I finally managed to beat the boss on this one lucky try only to not get the thing I want from it, and now I have to spend Xeroc knows how many more tries just to get the thing I want?

[golden tulip]

you unironically used xeroc in such a cartoony way

[fleet igloo]

It's just a personal thing for me, but it's not going to stop me from trying to reduce it as much as possible

The refighting that is, not the using of Xeroc

[golden tulip]

[crude geode]

This sugg is just really weird to me. I think it’s just that like. post ml is pretty linear even though it isn’t

Like hardmode you have a lot more “optional” bosses like Duke Fishron, PBG, Siren and Levi, Ravager, Astrum Aureus, etc. so their existence feels more normal

[fleet igloo]

Technically Fishron and Levi are the only true optional ones

PBG drops crafting materials, Ravager is going to be retiered to post-Provi, Aureus buffs astral enemies and makes them drop things

[eternal escarp]

Calamity is actually rather good considering the debuff it inflicts

byeah

[distant gyro]

honestly

[eternal escarp]

(yes altix i corrected my ways spare me

[fleet igloo]

Even then Fishron drops a mount, and Levi unlocks Keelhaul (and may get the rage upgrade after Ravager gets retiered)

[distant gyro]

if a boss is insanely worthwhile and it's not enjoyable

it's probably even worse

[crude geode]

Very true

[distant gyro]

you have to live through the fact that you have to endure a roadblock

[fleet igloo]

Ah yes, my WoF experience

[eternal escarp]

and thats how the

FUCK

I WANTED TO SAY THAT

[crude geode]

L

[distant gyro]

wall of flesh embodied

[fleet igloo]

Technically all bosses except WoF, Astrum Deus/Cultist, ML, DoG, Yharon, Exo Mechs, Scal and Yharim (eventually) are optional

[eternal escarp]

insert low%

forgot SPrime

and plantera

and rav yeah

or cryo but rav is the better option

[distant gyro]

cultist is the only requirable boss

deus drops no manip for you to do anything with

[eternal escarp]

trolling

yeah low% list is more like

[distant gyro]

although there are plans to make manip craftable with astral bars

• astral bars become forged

[eternal escarp]

WoF, SPrime, Plant, Ravager/Cryo, Cultist, ML, Guardians, Provi, DoG, Yharon, EMechs, SCal, Yharim

oops rav

[fleet igloo]

Right

Still most of these do something that makes refighting them easier

Either unlocking ores, making enemies drop things, or dropping enough crafting materials to be able to make at least one weapon of choosing

Old Duke dropping crafting materials

[eternal escarp]

remove life matter or whatever it is iirc

[frozen hornet]

living shard?

[eternal escarp]

that

plantera funny

[frozen hornet]

replace it with chloro and mechsouls

like how vanilla does it

Okay true

[eternal escarp]

perenial sitting right there

[fleet igloo]

Wait we don't have acid rain tier 3 materials

[eternal escarp]

we dont need them

[frozen hornet]

yes

[unique vector]

more bloat more bloat!!

[eternal escarp]

make items actually drop from enemies

[frozen hornet]

just make nuclear terrors drop stuff

[eternal escarp]

stop materials grrrrr

[frozen hornet]

I mean it has an entire set

[eternal escarp]

Corroded Fossil line is cool but grr only 4 weapons and 1 music box

wtf!!!!!!

[frozen hornet]

I think that's enough

[eternal escarp]

perenial is used for many important things because of Life Alloy too byeah

too many plant ores!

[frozen hornet]

TRUE

[fleet igloo]

What's the tier 3 acid rain loot again

[eternal escarp]

i mean go ahead
suggest it
Titan Heart armor sitting right there will block it

[crude geode]

Perennial, more like chlorophyte 2

[eternal escarp]

Gamma Heart
Phosphorescent Gauntlet
Lead Core
the entire OD Arsenal

[fleet igloo]

Doesn't look like much

[eternal escarp]

the entire OD Arsenal

its like 6 weapons bonus

[frozen hornet]

what tier is sulphuric acid cannon again

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah that

[fleet igloo]

I'd actually prefer to fight the boss once then be able to make the weapons I want rather than fighting it 2-3 times to get it

[eternal escarp]

is

also T3

youre right alt

[frozen hornet]

It's weird cuz it drops from maulers

Which don't spawn during the event itself but spawns when it's not raining

[eternal escarp]

Mauler rework when iirc

[frozen hornet]

Next update I hope

[eternal escarp]

Cragmaw Mire got reworked (bless you dom

Mauler maybe soon 😳

also

not every boss needs to be a one done fight

if it doesnt drop the weapon you wanted straight away its not a bad thing

it doesnt need to feed you every weapon it has (HVM and Perfs do this and its stupid imo)

wdym

i meant as in

"maybe Mauler might get reworked eventually"

[fleet igloo]

Wait Old Duke doesn't even require acid rain T3 anymore does it

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, Bloodworms do spawn out of it

well i guess his arsenal doesnt count as T3

likely

[frozen hornet]

Blast

[eternal escarp]

oh wait

lmfao

[frozen hornet]

I forgot about this change too tbf

[eternal escarp]

i remembered the SACannon rework

because i remember the request for the sprites in the art server

didnt remember the mauler rework there

good to know

well uhhhhhh

maybe armored digger might get reworked eventually 😳

(did that work)

byeah

AR-T3 does lack gear, but it doesnt mean it needs a material to just spit out random crafts at you

enemies dropping weapons is way better

especially when Nuclear Terror has only 2 weapons

[frozen hornet]

I'm pretty sure it got some changes

[eternal escarp]

and the fact that enemies do get more drops with time
like how Skyfin Bombers drops in T2 from a T1 enemy

[frozen hornet]

Dunno about a whole ass rework though

[fossil finch]

i really don't get you, keelhaul isn't even all class
You're saying stuff that applies to all bosses like it solely applies to od

[fleet igloo]

It's just that it unlocks something

Not much, but it's something

[fossil finch]

well od unlocks its drops 👍

that's literally a very artificial feeling

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Keelhaul what

[eternal escarp]

i think the strikethrough intends that he is joking

or he got confused with Greentide

either one

[unique vector]

please dont desifn around more item bloat

that is all

[small timber]

we need more biome bow line thats for sure

[crude geode]

Anyways still confused on what revenant engine’s sugg wants to be moving forward

[fleet igloo]

uh

good old duke drop or something

Making Mutated Truffle do more things should work

[crude geode]

What

There already is a bunch of good old Duke drops (according to this discord, and they’re never wrong )

[fossil finch]

brotip: rev has absolutely no idea how any of od's weapons perform

[fleet igloo]

That's admittedly true

[eternal escarp]

however the rewards from beating it feel underwhelming as of now die to the only relevant reward being weapons which can easily be substituted with other weapons on its tier
yeah was about to say

[fleet igloo]

But making the expert drop better won't hurt right

[eternal escarp]

we talked about OD drops like when you first posted the sugg

5 out of 6 of them are great

[fossil finch]

watch as the expert drop becomes chanced next update

tr

[golden tulip]

is the new melee fist good

[eternal escarp]

cant just call them "underwhelming" when they arent