suggestions-discussion

[exotic stag]

using nycros instead of 6 different qol mods

[untold pagoda]

nycros mod :amberga

[exotic stag]

byeah just dont mess with respawn timer mods or use crycros.

[dusty wharf]

k

[hearty obsidian]

The problem wasn't how hard he was to kill

It was the fact that his attacks forced a fallgod playstyle which would make changes to the fight redundant

But apparently the telegraph changes will basically fix that so

[inland saddle]

Yeah I guess I can

Gonna have to be when I get home

[languid quartz]

Ty! No rush ofc

[novel belfry]

Crown Jewel summon when
(that'd actually be cool but uh we already have a nice regen effect for the accessory so sadly no)

im a sucker for accessories that summon so that's why

[ruby plover]

yea i feel like unless its unique regen effect was removed (which i doubt will happen) then it would be too intricate and potentially powerful of an accessory to drop from king slime

[exotic stag]

just make it a pet

[novel belfry]

a regenerating pet that increases the regen of its team

[exotic stag]

a pet that regens you passively

just make it increase life regen in an aura

[ruby plover]

a pet that serves as an accessory

[exotic stag]

i mean MoR has it

[ruby plover]

and

okay what i mean by that in a less blunt way is that calamity and MoR might not necessarily have the same ideas of how to balance stuff

[exotic stag]

yeah i think we know

[ruby plover]

i feel like a pet that gives you stats just... makes you have an optimal pet to equip

oh okay cool

[unborn siren]

unless you give it really bad stats and make it only obtainable at a stage where buff slots are very valuable

[exotic stag]

make it heal enemies too

its balanced.

[cobalt pewter]

@untold pagoda #suggestions-voting message

(this was hilarious)

[exotic stag]

mediumcore mode

thats literally that weaponn

[hushed jetty]

Me when mura is already one of the best weapons for events

[karmic stone]

🗜️

[distant gyro]

ultima is not allowed to be a post-yharon item by donator item rules

[hasty ingot]

He's right.

Welp. It was a valiant attempt.

I just want the weapon to be better. It's so unique and fun.

[distant gyro]

this is why most donor items in the most recent version are darksun at max, it reached the cap

other items that aren't dedicated can go instead

[hasty ingot]

I do question why there is that cap. I guess so that not every donor item is post-Exo or post-SCal in exchange for being OP.

[distant gyro]

not sure if one would prefer if phangasm becomes auric but that is valid

[exotic stag]

iirc dev tier is reserved for well

devs.

shadowspec is dev tier which is kinda fair cause uh

your reserving special slots for people who helped work on the mod lo

[hasty ingot]

Exactly. But again, why post-DoG and not post-Yharon?

[exotic stag]

because dark sun.

[distant gyro]

there's a lot of demand for having items be endgame so restrictions have to be made

[exotic stag]

yes..

DoG is also a very good leaving point. since he unlocks the last event buffs

[distant gyro]

certain items that were donated earlier didn't have to follow the rule

namely dragon pow, oracle, ataraxia, seared pan

[hasty ingot]

Ultima was pretty recent after 1.4 iirc

[distant gyro]

and ace's high, tyranny's end, etc

[exotic stag]

yes that was when the restriction was put in place

[distant gyro]

rules were based on time of donation rather than time of implementation

[hasty ingot]

Okay, so the cap for post-Dark Sun was imposed during 1.4, but it was still post-Yharon 1, and Ultima fell into that category, therefore making Dark Sun post-DoG nerfed all dono items that were post-Yharon 1 virtue of the fact all post-Yharon 1 weapons were nerfed alongside them.

..I still want Ultima's fire rate improved tbh. That's why I loved it so much.

[gray nebula]

please plea,spl plea,sep l,, p ,, pl,,ea,se

[silver silo]

Iban are you okay? Blink twice if you need help

[hot zephyr]

[gray nebula]

i am doing so fine rn but i cant tell you guys why but besides that please itd be funny if the rpg levelign system was sent to the shadow plane

[crude geode]

Isn’t there already a mod which lets you do a weird rpg leveling kinda thing

[violet dagger]

I think they mean profiency

[dapper coral]

nterraria iirc

although im sure there are many

[violet dagger]

isn't that mod ancient tho

[gray nebula]

yeah i meant proficiency i just used the same wording as the sugg

[crude geode]

@small tusk you should prolly refer to it as proficiency since that’s the actual name of it

[small tusk]

ight

[west jackal]

Proficiency is kinda eh imo

Seems like the summoning one was changed from more minions to extra knockback

Which is literally only useful for the buffed events and acid rain

And the damage and crit chance boosts might as well not even be there

I guess the extra damage can be useful

[small timber]

calamity can actually make the proficiency not grant anything but just as a "congratulation" to indicate how much you use a specific class

and player will actually not be able to notice it

[hollow shell]

Acknowledge the Proficiency Meters in your suggestion @small tusk.

(level meters)

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Level_Meters

[small tusk]

ight i will

[west jackal]

I wanna sug about it but I don’t wanna sug something too complicated yknow

[small timber]

remove stats granted by proficiency

[west jackal]

Then it’d be just a useless thing lmao

[west jackal]

It’d be cool if you had a class stat tree or something like that but like I said

[small timber]

the current proficiency only exist to further disincentivize class switching, the bonus it give is minimal at best until you reach post-ML (so you can get to lvl 15), and it is still not noticeable

[hollow shell]

Aight thanks Reaper

[violet dagger]

tbh I think it would be nice to have item drop chances from bosses affected by proficiency

let's say you kill scal and you have 15 proficiency in melee but 0 in all others

you have a higher chance of getting violence which is what you want

or if you are 15 magic you have a higher chance to get vehemence and/or heresy

you get the idea

[gray nebula]

no

What if i want to switch classes? what if multiplayer? what if like i mean cmon no

[violet dagger]

iban says no(suggestion instantly denied )

killed before even existing

[stiff wren]

If you want to switch classes then just get proficiency in the new class so you get better drop chances for it
And uhhhhhh, uhhhhhhhhhhh, mp bad

Just force everyone to use the same class smh my head

[crude geode]

Ah yes because getting proficiency is a simple task you can do in like five minutes and not like hours

[stiff wren]

I think its your own problem if you played with a single class until endgame and then decided to switch to summoner right before scal so now you need proficiency 13 or something

[violet dagger]

tbh I don't think certain class weapons dropping are an issue until lategame

[stiff wren]

Yeah

[violet dagger]

scal in particular is the most problematic but even that's not too bad

exo mech drop system makes sense but it is kind of weird

[gentle fog]

Is this even a good thing, design wise? I personally don't think the game should actively punish switching classes like this

[stiff wren]

Probably not tbh

Fuck it, just make one single proficiency thing

[gentle fog]

I mean it makes sense to somehow encourage sticking to one class but imo proficiency is not the way to do it

honestly irl proficiency and experience already works fine imo

use certain weapon class, get good at it, class is in turn stronger

[sleek wadi]

The game already incentivizes sticking to 1 class because if you don't switch classes then you won't have to backtrack to rebuilt a new class's accessories and weapons

Its just faster to stick with one class a whole run

[gentle fog]

oh that's a good point too

[hollow shell]

You kinda lost me near the end there xpcqe, not sure what the level meter change would help with
and "make the above effect based on the highest proficiency and there is no worry that they are only active when using a specific class weapons. ", would this not be very annoying to try and utilize your multiple non-class-based effects if you did try to level up multiple classes at once?

[small timber]

ya I think that part can be a bit confusing

or just suggest it to be based on general proficiency (like no longer-class specific proficiency) instead?

because I brain farted and thought "they should keep class proficiency but they only use the highest level one to grant non-combat bonus"

[hollow shell]

Ideally you'd just have all the class effects at once if you have attained them by levelling up different classes, to encourage multiclassing instead of needlessly punishing it

(we don't support multiclassing in any other aspect of the mod, admittedly)

[small timber]

then I think I will suggest it instead, I kind of loss myself there

[violet dagger]

I think a good idea would be all classes get a buff but it is nerfed from what it is currently

[crude geode]

Arguably it’s punished cuz of massive crafting trees and possibly refighting bosses for weapons

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

[sleek wadi]

Encouraging multi-classing probably isn't the way to go with how focused calamity is on sticking you to one class.

[violet dagger]

multiclassing is its own problem yeah

not many people multiclass

[hollow shell]

(would you like to elaborate on this? because the current effects are weak as shit)

[violet dagger]

I just hadn't researched the stats

so maybe it would be fine to just buff all classes

[hollow shell]

Here

[violet dagger]

oh yeah

that's weak as shit

[small timber]

I think it is fine to buff all class, just the effect is really shit

[sleek wadi]

If the effect is intentionally shit anyway then moving it to out-of-combat or even cosmetic changes would be a better use for proficiency

[hollow shell]

Cosmetic changes would be really funny

[glossy stone]

+6% damage ain't doing much for anyone

[hollow shell]

and honestly maybe not even a bad idea

[glossy stone]

Unless you're minmaxing really, really hard

[crude geode]

Cosmetic stuff is cool

[hollow shell]

Get exclusive class-based vanity armors or dyes
at proficiency milestones

[crude geode]

(Calamity accessory)

[stiff wren]

Vanity armour and accessories YEEEEEES

[glossy stone]

Sounds neat~

[sleek wadi]

Maxing out ranger prof on every class for 6% movespeed

[hollow shell]

In fact yeah I am quite on board

[violet dagger]

just get random sword projectiles that appear to home in on enemies but deal 0 damage

[gray nebula]

i agree

[stiff wren]

Maybe clothier could sell the vanity or somethinf

[west jackal]

Sounds way better than a 3% crit chance you have to grind at least 30 mins for

[hollow shell]

Because the effects are indeed intentionally weak
Fabsol wanted a system that made you feel like you were progressing as you went through the game, but did not want the system to be significant so as to turn Calamity into an RPG mod

[gray nebula]

you already progress by getting new weapons new armors new accessories

tho

[crude geode]

^^^^

[hollow shell]

I think that having cosmetic rewards with zero functional benefits would still give that feeling of progression by dedicating to your class

[gray nebula]

Like terraria already does a good job at making yo ufeel like you progress

[ashen warren]

It ended up being completely uneeded and unnoticeable

[hollow shell]

Well it is not getting removed

[gray nebula]

You beat stronger and stronger boss and gets swaggier weapons with more pixels

[hollow shell]

Because I tried to get it removed

[gray nebula]

why 😭

[hollow shell]

and Fab said no

[gray nebula]

make the vote again

[small timber]

I mean removing it will not even be noticeable, just have less fireworks once in a while

[hollow shell]

So we just have to make the best out of it

[sleek wadi]

Yeah I don't feel proficiency at all, so if proficiencies purpose is to make me feel stronger it sure as shit ain't working

[gray nebula]

when was the vote made i forgor

[hollow shell]

While ago

October 2020

[tardy geyser]

just feels like bloat to me, and youre already removing a lot of that so why not?

[sleek wadi]

Maybe with proficiency getting switched to cosmetics ranger will get some drip

[gray nebula]

ok thhings kinda changed since then i think youd agree

[crude geode]

Removal < Rework
generally the cal dev mindset

[gray nebula]

I mean i'd really prefer adding cosmetics to calamity in a way thats not like

[west jackal]

But my plus 3 Minon knockback

[glossy stone]

Proficiency could either find a better use elsewhere like Rover said or just be removed

[gray nebula]

a stupid bandaid fix to a boring system idk like i mean idk like haha idk haha

not that the idea itself isnt cute but like its not giving me the serotonin of deleting stuff yget me

[stiff wren]

Rip 6% movement speed, got replaced by ranger drip

[hollow shell]

Funnily enough
1.5 started development in November 2020

[sleek wadi]

Alright so themed cosmetics and purge proficiency lets go

[small timber]

I mean cosmetic will definitely be a good idea, just that it is sprite on cosmetic instead of (potentially) class specific armor

[violet dagger]

rip 6% increased damage replaced by fake homing sword projectiles

[hollow shell]

Yeah literally anything vanity

Costumes, pets, dyes, visual accessories, furniture

[gray nebula]

idk i mean at this point it feels like removing proficiency with extra camo

[hollow shell]

Yes exactly

[gray nebula]

like just masquerading its removal as "haha no its not being removed haha theres vanities

[hollow shell]

Fab gets to keep his fake progression system

[gray nebula]

idk id prefer we give a cooler obtention to cool vanities

[hollow shell]

And we get more funnies in the mod

[stiff wren]

Rip +3 minion knockback, got replaced by the "Xeroc's fat shit" pet unlocked at prof 15

[gray nebula]

put tha vote again:!!! grrr..

[hollow shell]

I was going to say "You do it" but I don't think a serious vote in your writing style would go over well

[gray nebula]

exempt from serious buisness

[sand ermine]

there used to be lore effects? im a newer calamity fan (i recently started playing it)

[sleek wadi]

Can't remove what already isn't there

[violet dagger]

yup

[hollow shell]

Yep. Lore items used to have passive effects while in your inventory

That got removed because it was very hard to balance

[violet dagger]

they got removed in 1.5

[crude geode]

mood

[stiff wren]

You dare diss the 6% damage buff??????

[sand ermine]

huh

[west jackal]

Some of them were useless, Some were free accessories

[hollow shell]

(Fuck it, I'm gonna make this proficiency cosmetic thing a card on the Brainstorming Trello, so that we can review it soon)

[violet dagger]

some were op like cryo dash

[sand ermine]

what were those lore effects? would they for example increase your breathing or increase flight time?

[west jackal]

Yeah

[sand ermine]

huh

[hollow shell]

Yeah. Eventually they turned into trade-offs but some were still purely positive

[violet dagger]

some were just stupidly bad like the item grab range ones

[hollow shell]

Those were awesome what do you mean

[west jackal]

Yharons was shit lmao

[sand ermine]

so they were removed since they took up much needed space and also because they could just be adapted into accessories?

[hollow shell]

Cryo Lore literally gave you a free dash with no accessory slot required

[crude geode]

Some increased your grab range over the game (and we never got replacements)

[tardy geyser]

i miss the increased grab range : (

[small timber]

basically (most) lore effect used to give you an effect and a downside, for example Yharon's lore give you -25% damage output but infinite flight

[sleek wadi]

Aquatic Scourge lore literally just gave you stats for no drawback

[gray nebula]

wait for 1.4 :/

item megnet

[west jackal]

New proficiency?

[hollow shell]

This is the reason why Ornate Shield was given a dash. To fill in the void left by Cryo Lore's effect removal
(and to be a precursor to Asgard's dash)

[small timber]

and then lock it behind 2 mechs instead of cryogen

[west jackal]

But yharon’s lore item was literal shit

[gray nebula]

and because ornate shield was kinda useless before anyways xd 💅

[violet dagger]

didn't it also not work during boss fights iirc

[west jackal]

Wasn’t it minus 50% damage or something

[crude geode]

My skeleton playing calamity 1.4 in 2120💀

[violet dagger]

the skeleton appears

[hollow shell]

Minus 15% or 25%, one of the two

[small timber]

I think 25, 15% will see a lot more use

[stiff wren]

Rip cursed being, cause of death: no updates

[tardy geyser]

just increase base reach, sort of like what was done with movement and mining speed

[hollow shell]

Then you got infinite flight time

[crude geode]

Anyways are we ever gonna get replacements for grab range increase over the game

[hushed jetty]

Make pets pick up your items for you

[gray nebula]

no wait for 1.4 like i mean idk how crucial it rly is like i mean oh omh thats a cute idea

[west jackal]

And infinite flight was not needed for the bosses

[violet dagger]

simple make a ceaseless hunger potion drop from every green slime you kill

[gray nebula]

not pets tho

[hollow shell]

We have one of those

[violet dagger]

problem solved

[hushed jetty]

Chester?

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Enchanted_Butterfly

[hushed jetty]

Damn

[small timber]

oh god that crafting recipe

[crude geode]

Pretty quirky pet yeah

[hollow shell]

Donor item

moment

[hushed jetty]

that is very obscure

When was this added

[crude geode]

Yeh lol

[golden tulip]

calamity has such a large amount of cool but obscure items 😔

[gray nebula]

i CANNOT fucking BELIEVE there would be a functional pet in the mod

the issue abt obscurity is mostly this

[crude geode]

True

[violet dagger]

I literally had no idea that pet existed until now

[small timber]

I mean the only functional pet I know is cosmic plushie which stab me in darkness

[gray nebula]

simply remove a lot of items to help the cool obscure ones stande oute

[crude geode]

(Every melee broadsword)

[west jackal]

The leprechaun pet that would make money during the mobile st Patrick’s day event

[gray nebula]

too late we are making em cool now

🕵️

[golden tulip]

true

[violet dagger]

must be quite new of an addition

[crude geode]

L

[golden tulip]

half the items you never use because they suck 😎

[violet dagger]

I'd guess probably 1.5

[gray nebula]

no it was rustandust iirc

[hushed jetty]

Dear god that recipe

[crude geode]

*because this player base is obsessed with extremely optimized builds 💅

[hushed jetty]

So that's why I never found it

[cobalt pewter]

the sparky pet is cool and good but like

the recipe

[crude geode]

That is indeed a donor moment

[cobalt pewter]

I wanted to get it one time and the recipe drove me away from getting it legit

(cheat sheet momentum)

[golden tulip]

i mean i too, prefer a good loadout rather than a bad one

[violet dagger]

and then you just have calval which drops like a billion pets in each boss treasure bag

[hushed jetty]

The day Typhon's Greed becomes good is the day I ascend to heaven

[cobalt pewter]

cal val is epic

[golden tulip]

it do be

[cobalt pewter]

as for proficiency

honestly just get rid of it

[crude geode]

Scroll up

[cobalt pewter]

what if I won't

[golden tulip]

banned

[crude geode]

Typical discord user

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Anyways

we discussed vanity replacing it

[hushed jetty]

H

Silly fridgeza

[golden tulip]

tbf that was one and a half years ago

[cobalt pewter]

vanity in place of stats is good

[sleek wadi]

Now that it can't grant minion slots it was already effectively removed

[cobalt pewter]

stats just

hbngnggnkfdkd

[crude geode]

Something something balancers think mod changes are cringe

[golden tulip]

stats could be cool but rn you just dont notice em

[gray nebula]

ok but like, no but like it was attempted to get removed more than a year ago 😭

also no stats would suck

like litterally by design stats suck in any case

even if you make the damage boost bel ike

• 200% damage

because bosses would be balanced around that extra damage

[cobalt pewter]

stats would be worthless if you don't notice them, and would be stupid if it's anywhere surpassing 10%

[golden tulip]

i can get behind a +500% damage boost at level 15

[small timber]

at lvl 0 proficiency class weapon deal -90% damage because you suck at using it

[gray nebula]

so in the end you'd just have bosses with twice as much hp to accomodate for your twice doubled damage

[small timber]

true way of making proficiency matter

[gray nebula]

and since theyre litterally just stats applied constantly its got subzero identity

at least idk with some stuff you can have a damage boost but its conditional and theres a cool visual that shows youre getting a damage boost and thats good

[cobalt pewter]

keep the classing system in Terraria limited to equipment tbh

[gray nebula]

basically zzz the system is boring in boring out

its not interesting to level up and the rewards of leveling up arent interesting

[crude geode]

The “unique effect” for each class was the closest proficiency got to having a identity

[cobalt pewter]

rogue vanishes from the Earth when having full stealth and max proficiency

the true stealth

[golden tulip]

make it have unique vanity like split has the unique vanity for completing photographs

[gray nebula]

ok but photographs are cut

e

[sleek wadi]

Rogue stealths their hurtbox at max proficiency, mf steps into the Z-axis

[gray nebula]

[golden tulip]

exactly

[cobalt pewter]

photographs is a mini camera mode, and camera mode is good

[gray nebula]

Like adding vanity to proficiency just fixes the boring out part

the boring in part is still there. you still are being rewarded for just , playing the game

[cobalt pewter]

and photography gives vanity so

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[gray nebula]

you don't even have to try you litterally just get proficiency out of the blue and so you end up with "oh cool i guess i have leveled up now" whenever you level up

its not rly satisfying or something any player looks forward to

[sleek wadi]

Fixing the boring out will still be an improvement over hte current system. Boring in could maybe be fixed by having proficiency unlock challenges that lead to the vanity instead of the vanity directly

[violet dagger]

you took a picture of a gauss nuke now you can forever have a pet gauss nuke that makes the explosion sound every second

[gray nebula]

uh

spark like

[cobalt pewter]

yooooooo

[gray nebula]

what does this have to do with

proficiency

[cobalt pewter]

gauss nuke pet (real)

[gray nebula]

at this point

litterally just remove proficiency and add vanities tied to challenges then

[sleek wadi]

Well what does profiency do currently?

Its so weak its already effectively gone

[hushed jetty]

Stats

bad ones

[small timber]

step 1: try to get removed proficiency pass
step 2: ???
step 3: Sadge

[sleek wadi]

Its intentionally shit

[cobalt pewter]

use stealth strikes at full stealth 100000 times

reward: a cape

[gray nebula]

yeah exactly so remvoe it i stg stop trying to put it on life support

😭

[hot zephyr]

i arrive here late

[sleek wadi]

I'd be down for purging it too but apparently that was already tried

[hot zephyr]

if there's any big fundamental changes that'll happen to proficiency, the most likely thing to happen would be it dying

[sleek wadi]

So life support it is

[gray nebula]

like i would love to see more vanity in calam but idk if the place we should put it is on an attempt to make proficiency relevant when really its just too flawed to try to salvage haha

I mean

it was already tried in october 2020

[hot zephyr]

how would you make
vanity work with proficiency? why??? no.

[gray nebula]

basically just getting vanity items for leveling up proficiency instead of stats

also i mean

armageddon and iron heart were deleted alongside a lot of death environmental changes

[hot zephyr]

hi bittercold staff

[gray nebula]

i think its safe to say that times have changed

[hot zephyr]

if we axe prof I don't have to ever factor it into testing let's go

[small timber]

lvl15 rogue proficiency: all rogue weapon have Wraithwing projectile visual effect

[gray nebula]

does it ever get factored into testing

[cobalt pewter]

one says they attempted to get rid of proficiency to no avail

another says the only outcome that proficiency will get is most likely removal

can y'all maybe coordinate responses or smth

[hot zephyr]

rarely

[cobalt pewter]

💤

[crude geode]

Death enviro changes my deceased

[gray nebula]

beyond like, testing bosses with the max profiency for the tier of the game

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[sleek wadi]

Yeah try giving proficiency the axe again

[hot zephyr]

no we are not a hive mind (calamity mod reference)

[gray nebula]

i mean i can understand why rover is kinda wary about it because like

the discussion that sprouted from the old vote was

🥴

[golden tulip]

i feel like the devs usually just come up with removing something if they dont like it damn.............

[hot zephyr]

if there's ever conflicting messages take a dev's word over mine, except if it's pixl
don't listen to pixl, i'm right

[crude geode]

Nah that’s this channel lol

[gray nebula]

not good and i think it kinda did affect rover so like yea

scarred by proficiency removal vote... but im still for reputting a vote or smth

[hot zephyr]

i think the environment has changed enough to where it'd be better this time (wholesome and good)

but it's so minor that who cares

[golden tulip]

i mean theres 2 sugs for proficiency stuff now so i suppose if it gains enough traction its gonna have to get discussed in the dev server so

[gray nebula]

Calamity evolves towards killing da bloat

lets go

[hot zephyr]

proficiency could be gone tomorrow and nobody would really notice (except the inevitable "BUT I LOVED PROFICIENCY NOOO" that springs up when we remove something) but it's also so minor that it doesn't need to be paid in blood to remove

[gray nebula]

So sad i'm contributing to the not removing the bloat

[hot zephyr]

the bloat?

isaac reference

[crude geode]

Factual

[small timber]

or no hitters for "oh no my 6% damage bonus and 3% crit, it is almost an entire alcohol how dare you"

[gray nebula]

its fun to rework stuff but theres some visceral enjoyment to just removing bad content idk

[golden tulip]

i told myself to not say something something isaac so hard

[hot zephyr]

simply just remove bad content through a rework

(biome blade)

two birds

[crude geode]

Yeah this community has a love of only appreciating “good” things when they’re gone

[golden tulip]

current biome blade bad?

[crude geode]

(That said I will continue to mourn the death of my death mode enviro change suggestions)

[hot zephyr]

NO HEART RAPIER

[gray nebula]

i wil lcontinue to style on your death mode enviro change suggestions

removal! lets go!

[hot zephyr]

if it makes you feel better, there was a lot of time into trying to improve and modernize environment effects but it never really worked out well

[sleek wadi]

Oh no Holiday Halberd, how will I ever replace it

[cobalt pewter]

all the changes on cal recently just solidified my theory that cal players simply

hate changes

[gray nebula]

replace cal players with humans

[hot zephyr]

true

[gray nebula]

theres just a natural aversion to change

[cobalt pewter]

resistance, yes

[gray nebula]

especially when the change is just announced through a changelog that doesnt always elaborate on the reasons why

[crude geode]

Makes sense. It always felt like something that could have been it’s own mod. Maybe someday it’ll see the light of day.

[gray nebula]

like im sure a lot of ppl will just get used to after playing with it

unless the change is bad, in which case they'll keep complaining and the change should probably get adressed ofc

[crude geode]

Malice 😳

[hot zephyr]

our vote literally was "let's look at each death effect and see what needs to be added/removed/changed" but eventually we just kinda came to the conclusion that it wasn't really viable (or worth the time) improving it when we could be doing other things to make death cooler

[cobalt pewter]

Malice is actually malicious

they got rid of challenge items AFTER the mode was made

that's just incredible

[hot zephyr]

i like malice

i like experimentation

even if it doesn't really work out

[gray nebula]

i like experimentation but i prefer finding out it doesnt work out before it reaches the public

[cobalt pewter]

saves lot of resources and time ye

[gray nebula]

skips the whole part where theres loud public outcry which is kinda

[crude geode]

Cal public tends to have extremely knee jerk reactions

[gray nebula]

o,u,,g , ouuh,, oua,,g,

[hot zephyr]

public outcry is inevitable, if not malice than it'd be something more arbitrary

[gray nebula]

it is evitable

[hot zephyr]

see: heart rapier discourse lol

[gray nebula]

like i mean yea maybe 3 ppl will get sad but

u gotta see tha scale

i mean frankly i dont care about the cal public (usually)

[hot zephyr]

good take

[gray nebula]

i just get my estimation of the quality of some changes from the reactions of friend groups that are a bit smarter than the a verage id say

[cobalt pewter]

I couldn't give a rat's ass about public outcry, but the effort went into the mode (which could probably be used for other things) are wasted because the main gimmick got rid of just after the mode dropped, and they'll most likely do the funny sunk cost fallacy and keep going down the malice hole

[gray nebula]

i mean yeah

i dont like malice yeah, but

now theres no reason to play it which is an improvement i think

Like even if technically it "removes the point of malice"

its a good change i think

and it indirectly improves malice

[hot zephyr]

only a handful of items actually benefitted from being challenge drops

[gray nebula]

Because before people didnt like malice because they , played malice

[hot zephyr]

(carnage)

[gray nebula]

When they didnt have the skill to play it

[cobalt pewter]

it is indeed an improvement, but unexisting malice is probably the best improvement

[gray nebula]

because they felt obligated to / because they wanted their nice items

[sleek wadi]

True melee having to fight nighttime provi for one of their 3 accessories

[gray nebula]

now that theres no incentive to play malice, only masochists tryhards like noh*tters will play it = less complains from ppl that prefer more adjusted difficulties

[hot zephyr]

i like the idea of rewarding investment into a difficulty but challenge drops weren't it (even if I think the dislike of challenge drops was waaaaay overblown lol.)

[cobalt pewter]

I was neutral with the challenge drops themselves, though I was a mixed bag with Malice, and the removal of challenge items kinda made me

grr kinda on Malice for existing before the removal

[gray nebula]

its like if i go grab the toys from a group of children who are learning to ski and then i say they can have their toys back if they complete an expert track and then they all fail to complete it and nearly die and so like of course theyre gonna really dislike both the expert track (and me)

[hot zephyr]

go on iban go make malice vanity

[cobalt pewter]

master mode

[gray nebula]

no i dont want to lock vanity to malice

[small timber]

I mean as long as it is not returned to 1% drop boss drop/ 0.1% normal enemy drop it is fine

[gray nebula]

i am a devious creature of spite i will not sprite nor code anything that would be restricted to malice

[crude geode]

Lock item to cheat sheet

[hot zephyr]

no more 1% drops

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[hot zephyr]

welp guess I've gotta sprite them
behold my groxel ms paint smiley

[cobalt pewter]

would snickers temporarily revert you to creature of non spite or is snickers not enough

[hot zephyr]

malice vanity

[crude geode]

I still think one of the bigger upsets that doesn’t get brought up as much is subsuming vortex

[hot zephyr]

i like the SSV

[gray nebula]

wtf is snickers

[hot zephyr]

candy bar

[cobalt pewter]

is ssv the funny book that spawns the funny whirlies

[crude geode]

Same new ssv is pog

Subsuming Vortex got so much more unique and like. not cringe razorblade

[gray nebula]

new ssv is cool but the change in styyle is kinda drastic so like some ppl dont like it

iirc its getting more changes eventually

[cobalt pewter]

is it the endgame for hentai tentacles line of tomes?

I can't remember

[gray nebula]

yea

[hot zephyr]

there will probably (inevitably) be some kind of angere towards the new biome bladae/aota because they're reworks of fan favorites but they're objectively cooler in the rework form

[cobalt pewter]

speaking of hentai tentacles, man that line needs to be looked at too

[crude geode]

Most people like current biome blade, i.e. most people are cringe af

[cobalt pewter]

the line is objectively cringe until SSV

[gray nebula]

no

.

[hot zephyr]

hi

[gray nebula]

I am the House i always win i am sure everyone will get blown away

[hot zephyr]

hi mr house

[gray nebula]

I made sure to make it so flashy and fancy that people litterally cannot complain

[crude geode]

Subsuming got immensely flashy lol

[sleek wadi]

Ark of the Cosmos cool because it has drip, as long as it retains drip it will stay cool

[cobalt pewter]

jokes on you, my craptop is so potato that it has conditioned me to look past flashiness

[hot zephyr]

ark of the cosmos has more drip now

[gray nebula]

• you already know theres this one specific thing that biome blade has that prevents ppl from crying

[small timber]

people will still complain about how they can no longer get the thorn potion buff when fighting yharon

[gray nebula]

baby mode

[hot zephyr]

yeah you make a good point

but if people use Baby Mode they're losers

[gray nebula]

^^^^

i support harassing baby mode players

[hot zephyr]

I like using Expert Mode honestly

[gray nebula]

i mean id like to think not using baby mode is so cool it will convince everyone to not use baby mode besides the babiest of babies

[crude geode]

New difficulty mode but contrary to the name it’s for nohitters

[hot zephyr]

based on what exists i don't think baby mode will be very popular

[gray nebula]

cant wait for suggestions to make baby mode cooler when the point is that its horrifically boring

[hot zephyr]

un-babying baby mode

[cobalt pewter]

baby

🍼 👶

[small timber]

now baby mode also gonna get expert drop

[hot zephyr]

🍼 🧙

[crude geode]

(Anyways horrific changes aside delete auric Tesla armor)

[cobalt pewter]

auric tesla

[hot zephyr]

(no i like GSD too much)

[cobalt pewter]

hearing the name gave me nightmares

[crude geode]

My beloathed

[cobalt pewter]

oh that little shit isn't here

man

[hushed jetty]

hey ian you should give silva a similar thing :tr

[hot zephyr]

no

[hushed jetty]

boohoogus

[hot zephyr]

silva gets silva ressy

[crude geode]

Personally I would love if all 5 class armors died instantly

[hushed jetty]

but silva ressy is cri

[hot zephyr]

the phm and hardmode ones should

the amount of work that would need to be done to un-5helmet post ML would rival the curve flattening

[cobalt pewter]

gs / silva and reaver are steps, hopefully this leads to more reworks to the stupid armor format

even if it's trickling per update

[hot zephyr]

i could see most of the earlier 5helmets getting reworked but i don't see post-ml helmets getting changed

[cobalt pewter]

ugh

[gray nebula]

personally i can see it

[hot zephyr]

i speak as someone who basically knows only slightly beyond what's in #changelogs and am pretty oblivious to the mod's long term plans

[gray nebula]

omg darksun set omg profaned set omg uh idk i forgot but like yeah theres a lot of themeing that could be exploited

omg signus armor

[sleek wadi]

omg acid rain 3 armor

[hot zephyr]

😳

[cobalt pewter]

darksun set, umbraphile upgrade

acid rain armors beyond Sulphurous sounds gaming

[gray nebula]

omg dragonfolly summoner set

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

summon the small bumblefucks

[crude geode]

There is a immense amount of theming that could be exploited

[hushed jetty]

fearmonger counterpart for frost moon

[cobalt pewter]

sacrifice spectral veil for signut armor

[hushed jetty]

except frost moon doesn't have a post plant armor

[hot zephyr]

i can't wait for the signus set to have the first true invisiblity where the bosses lose the ability to target you for X seconds

[cobalt pewter]

aggro

💥

[hot zephyr]

it would completely supercede the aggro system (because it SUCKSs)

[cobalt pewter]

rewrite the entire aggro system

then slap it back to stealth

[sleek wadi]

Gonna pop Signus stealth at the wrong time and watch Yharon yeet himself into despawn range

[hot zephyr]

maybe if Terraria was an actual multiplayer game

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[hot zephyr]

until that day (never), calamity will be designed around singalplaya first

[cobalt pewter]

mfw Dead Cells has aggro system despite being a singleplayer game

[hot zephyr]

dead cells isn't karbungle like Terraria

[gray nebula]

just make it fucking kill the player

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[hot zephyr]

good idea

im gonna make my OC a posts-ml armor

[crude geode]

signus set makes your screen go black beside you just pulled a cloak in front of your face dumbass

[hushed jetty]

Literally plague reaper

[cobalt pewter]

enemies go invisible

you nedd to hit them with stealth to un invis them

[hushed jetty]

Using stealth to unstealth

[crude geode]

What I’m getting from the whole convo is to delete stats and replace them with pretty colors

[hot zephyr]

Exactly!

[sleek wadi]

Drip good

Ranger no drip, ranger no good. Mage drip, mage good. Proficiency no drip, no good.

[hot zephyr]

for the proficiency sugg I do think that grab range should return in some form

magnet accessory line that creates an ultimate mining/building acc......

[hushed jetty]

Give radiant star item sucking capabilities

[gray nebula]

i wanna say yea but also i wanna say 1.4 item magnet i think we can wait for it i think

calamtiy 1.4 coming sooner than u think... 2044

[stiff wren]

Calamity 1.4 coming out in 2077

[crude geode]

Woah

[stiff wren]

Ranger is only good for two reasons
Reason 1: sea's searing
Reason 2: plague doctor drip

[hushed jetty]

He does not know about magno and photo

[glossy stone]

A bit of a nitpick but Plague Mask is a bit small for my liking

[stiff wren]

1: they
2: sea's searing is better because it carries you through most of pre moonlord

[hushed jetty]

okay but it'll get nerfed 🔜 and doesn't look as cool I lied it's pretty cool

[glossy stone]

Hope I don't sound too selfish or anything with my sugg :x

It just received a massive downgrade that is too harsh for my liking

[ruby plover]

although it's a massive downgrade, it's still really good

it lets you have an entire extra nugget which, when you have 3, adding an extra one to that is really a huge damage boost

it's basically a +4 minion slots accessory so long as you use yharon sons

[glossy stone]

Except that I rarely use just the nuggets

[frozen hornet]

Wait wtf

[glossy stone]

With summons like Saros and Pole Warper, I'm not likely to use just nuggets

Also, one more thing, this acc actually became exclusive to nuggets

Old one summoned nuggets regardless of what you have

Now you have to use them to get the boost

[small timber]

it is +4 minion slot if you ONLY use yharon's son

you are locked up from high cost minion like cosmic immaterializer if you use godly soul artifact (as otherwise it will simply be not worth it)

[crude geode]

@glossy stone I would bring up the fact that it forces you into using certain minions, decreasing variety in available minions, and just adding to “spam one minion” meta nonsense

[glossy stone]

Very good points indeed

Added them to the sugg

[carmine gull]

where?

[eternal escarp]

they float around calart server every once in a while

[frozen hornet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404775224106811412/942527375688753252/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404775224106811412/942521603999301642/CalamityFireForIbanheartheartheart.gif

[quaint valve]

✂️

[golden tulip]

what is this real

[glossy stone]

No those are fake obviously

[golden tulip]

one is actually a scissor? lmao

[glossy stone]

It looks like it's actually 2 different blades

That are just onto each other

[golden tulip]

i dont even get this image

these are 4 rows of the same items arent they

[glossy stone]

Yeah

[golden tulip]

why

[glossy stone]

Top ones are the oldest

[cobalt pewter]

this is top to down by history

[golden tulip]

oh wow

[cobalt pewter]

the very top are the first ones

the bottom ones are the reworks

[golden tulip]

i have never seen the older sprites lmao

[glossy stone]

Really?

[golden tulip]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[glossy stone]

You never saw Chippy play old Cal?

[golden tulip]

nah

[cobalt pewter]

2nd generation Galaxia looks stubby

it's kinda cute

[golden tulip]

also scissor looks cooler than its upgrade iirc......

[cobalt pewter]

isn't aotc a scissors too? just closed

[golden tulip]

looks like it yea

so what are those other 2 weapons

in the seperate image

why are there 2

[quaint valve]

Galaxia

[golden tulip]

yea but why are there 2

[quaint valve]

one of them probably just an early version

im thinking the blue one is the early version

[golden tulip]

think so

cus the left one is on the complete image

[glossy stone]

I like all of these except AotE tbh

Why scissors.

[golden tulip]

funny

considering the entire weapon line got reworked, maybe it has a corresponding gimmick

idk

[glossy stone]

I would've preferred a sword tbh :/

[fossil finch]

The unlightened masses

[eternal escarp]

its actually unique which already makes it epic

[fossil finch]

Scissor blades are cooler anyway

[eternal escarp]

if anything id personally say the pre-upgrades shouldve maybe been more inbetween so its less if a drastic change but the whole line still looks really good

[fossil finch]

if scissor blades weren't cool then why does kill la kill exist
Checkmate atheists

[stiff wren]

Kill la kill more like show you shouldnt recommend to anyone ever

[eternal escarp]

tell that to iban iirc

[glossy stone]

It really doesn't fit here tho imo :I

[fossil finch]

kill la kill is good smh 🙄

[glossy stone]

I don't hate the idea but why AotE ?

[stiff wren]

Yeah but did you forget about uhhhh

Characters

[glossy stone]

Plus, why the SCal color palette ?

[fossil finch]

It's not the scal color pallete tf you on

[eternal escarp]

Elemental weapons have

a whole new pallette

which is that iirc

[glossy stone]

Oh I missed something then

[eternal escarp]

theres more concepts that he posted (no sprites

[glossy stone]

But it does have the same palette as like Metastatis or smth

[fossil finch]

It's literally a solar/melee orange color and black and green which are kinda meldy

It doesn't lol?

[eternal escarp]

AotE or AotC?

you might be

confusing the two

[glossy stone]

AotE

[short walrus]

iirc Aotc are scissors too now

[eternal escarp]

Elements is the post ML weapon
yeah no that pallette doesnt look like Metastais

yeah it is just more slick

you can see the cut in the middle

and the scissor handles

byeah

[frozen hornet]

Don't know yet

[frozen hornet]

I mean if that were the case I doubt Iban would try to animate it

Even going so far as asking someone else to help

[eternal escarp]

maybe theres 2 variants of Galaxia relating to its rework

[fossil finch]

They're probably both gonna be used lo

[eternal escarp]

explaining two versions of it

[frozen hornet]

probably ye

[fossil finch]

Remember galaxia's not even gonna be a broadsword.,.

[sharp timber]

probably just alts idk,, shits still in development lmao

iirc

[eternal escarp]

this is more likely tbh

i doubt hes show the alts publicly and not decide in dev which to use tbh

[glossy stone]

Yeah actually mb, but it does remind me of smth SCal related yet none of her stuff looks like this color wise

[eternal escarp]

(though ig you guys can just try asking him lo

AotC does look more like the scal npc like pallettes, yeah

but its likely staying Auric tier

[glossy stone]

Yeah

Regardless, I'm not a fan of that scissor design, if it was 2 swords combined, I'd be fine with it, but now I'm not really sold

At least all the others look sick as hell

[fossil finch]

I mean it is two swords combined lol

Look at them again

[glossy stone]

No I mean

If you were to use said sword seperately

[eternal escarp]

AotC is AotE and Galaxia yeah

[frozen hornet]

Elemental weapons have their own resprites

[fossil finch]

That's not what i mean

[frozen hornet]

which is why AotE looks like that

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404776393117925376/938498225499963452/unknown.png

[fossil finch]

Anyways my conclusion is that cope and seethe

[sharp timber]

going insane

[frozen hornet]

just eat more sanity smh

[sharp timber]

so true altraxia

[frozen hornet]

Byeas not exactly suggs related anymore by now

[glossy stone]

Just wanna add that if by this he means that we'll be able to dual wield them somehow, then all of ranting is irrelevant lo

[sharp timber]

best not to assume anything kekw im not a dev i dont know shit

[frail mantle]

the resprite does come with a rework to the weapon yes

this has been known for quite a while now

[glossy stone]

I left the server for a while so I might've missed some notes about that, oh well

Anyway, resuming suggestion discussion.

...if you have anything to say about them

[golden tulip]

and what is this :shakingandcrying:

i assume this is what the "several resprites" is referring to then

[frail mantle]

that's the elemental set

[golden tulip]

well yea i can see that

[frozen hornet]

I don't think these are done

Or at least ibruhplain hasn't posted the sprites to my knowledge

[frail mantle]

ark of the elements is but none of the others are as far as i'm aware

[golden tulip]

crying

[glossy stone]

They look neat but why is Elem. Disk red-pink-ish ?

[frozen hornet]

they're colour coded and well rogue doesn't have it's own colour besides meld which would probably look bad

[glossy stone]

#BringBackXeroc

[frozen hornet]

X*roc

[frail mantle]

xeroc armor was wacky and didn't make sense

[glossy stone]

Colors tho

[fossil finch]

Literally cringe red and blue combo that didn't mix well

[glossy stone]

Say what you want but Xeroc armor design is better than how Empyrean armor looks.

[frail mantle]

incorrect

source: it was revealed to me in a dream

[glossy stone]

Empyrean armor doesn't look like much, just a blob of black matter

Xeroc sprite is actually readable

[frail mantle]

yes that's the point

it's supposed to be an eldritch giant "what the fuck am i looking at" set

better than god toenail armor

[glossy stone]

Sorry but that's a pretty shitty excuse...

[cobalt pewter]

Empyrean looks fine, it plays like ass tho

it doesn't even have a unique set bonus unlike other lunar armors

just cringe buffs

[glossy stone]

They could've done better to make the "don't know what you're looking at" feel

Much, much better.

[frail mantle]

considering it's implied to be related to the giant planet eating mass of tentacles it makes sense for the design to be kinda confusing

[frail mantle]

you do it then

[frozen hornet]

it doesn't even look that unreadable

just a pair of pants,a cape thing,a cloak

[fossil finch]

Xeroc looked more like ass

It literally looked like a generic armor with a bad pallete

[frozen hornet]

truen

[fossil finch]

Also what alt said

It's not hard to read the cloak

[frail mantle]

yea

[fossil finch]

i will never know where the helmet ends and the helmet starts
It will haunt me forever

(Or i could just see the separated equiped sprites)

Yes i know it's a bad image

[glossy stone]

I'm no spriter unfortunately, but... the set just comes out as a mixed bag

[glossy stone]

Say what you want but that looks more like something than Empyrean.

[fossil finch]

It doesn't, really

[glossy stone]

How so?

[golden tulip]

advanced victide

[fossil finch]

TRUE

[glossy stone]

Still looks like something.

[fossil finch]

Empyrian looks like something better

I mean it's no secret having a pallete composed of 10 shades of black is an ass byeah empyrian isn't unreadable not at all

[glossy stone]

Explain.

[fossil finch]

At least it's better theming than advanced victide set

[golden tulip]

signus suit

[fossil finch]

Bro i can clearly see the cloak and I'm on lowest brightness on my phone

[glossy stone]

But if it doesn't look like anything then what's the point ?

[frozen hornet]

it does look like something

[fossil finch]

It looks like a dark cloak

Like

Eldritch Cult robes

[ashen warren]

It looks fucking sick that's what it looks like

[fossil finch]

Also did you know a small detail

When you have the full set

You actually walk hovering

[glossy stone]

Okay, I'll give you that

[ashen warren]

Esp when combined with a fishbowl 🙂

[glossy stone]

I'm not denying the effort made on this sprite

[fossil finch]

Cult Robes of the Fishbowl heads

[frozen hornet]

lawrence of arabia but eldritch

[glossy stone]

THAT BEING SAID

It could've gone better

[frozen hornet]

how could it

[ashen warren]

What is your point

It looks fine

[frozen hornet]

not saying it's a gift from god and has no flaws whatsoever

[fossil finch]

Anyways point in case it's better than whatever xeroc armor was iirc

[glossy stone]

I'm unfortunately probably never gonna accept this fact

and that's not something I want to be proud of

[ashen warren]

[frozen hornet]

just get better at accepting smh smh smh

[glossy stone]

I don't want to sound like an asshole either, you guys like this sprite and it's fine, I don't like it and that's fine too because o p i n i o n s

[fossil finch]

SECOND point in case knowing iban this wasn't actually intentional but elemental set's wood details are very dark and meldy even though meld is more slime and metal than wood but whatever

[small timber]

which sprite you mean empyrean armor?

[ashen warren]

Best armor.

No bias 🙂

[small timber]

ya empyrean armor, the texture looks good, but the style is kinda... basically I don't know what I am looking at

[fossil finch]

Anyway we're comically offtopic

[small timber]

it does not look bad, I just don't know what it is

[glossy stone]

It's been offtopic for a good hour lmao

[small timber]

it looks like shaper from poe but without the tentacle

[fossil finch]

Yes that's the point

[exotic stag]

[small timber]

@woven nexus formatting, and it is acknowledged that the current providence too far away effect is not noticeable, just not 100% sure this time it will be darkness or other more noticeable effect

[exotic stag]

it'll be a more leniant effect i think

not pure darkness but not also invisible

[grim tusk]

or Bandit's hat

[grim tusk]

also no reasoning

[small timber]

it kinda has reasons ("dude it is complete shit that I don't even know I am too far away from providence new effect sucks give me back the old one that has better visual clarity"), but main thing is if it get into voting it probably will immediately get ☑️

[unique vector]

you CANNOT be fucking slandering me when im not even awake to defend myself

[distant gyro]

ugh repost

post-system

[grave zinc]

@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace Yharon's horizontal flare dust attack]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

had to kill it by force

[unique vector]

oh wait was that passed

i thought it wasnt

pp

anyway

after reading the 10383638 messages here

[small timber]

wait that was not passed right

[unique vector]

conclusion: there are some times where killing something is better than reworking it (proficiency sucks)

[small timber]

not got enough vote

[exotic stag]

my old proficiency idea

[unique vector]

you cannot convince me that reqorking it into an action rpg-style tech tree would not only fundamentally change the gameplay style of terraria, but cause a myriad of balancing issues

[exotic stag]

woops

added a random "lo" to the end

#suggestions-voting message here

[unique vector]

because the whole point of many action rpg skill trees is to make the player eventualyl feel overpowered

until you throw obscenely stat bloated enemies at them over and over

[distant gyro]

yeah it's not passed

but im checking it anyway because repost etc

[exotic stag]

byeah 136 stars

[distant gyro]

system exploit = bad

[unique vector]

(i dont think thats how u use the blue check)

(qait nvm)

[small timber]

repost is kinda weird right now, since with the current system basically if a suggestion didn't get enough vote it will never get sent again (only 7-14 days get sent)

[hot zephyr]

too bad

[distant gyro]

maybe repost would be in eventually

[crude geode]

God I love subjective suggestions

[unique vector]

i want to ban reposts but thats like up to rover

[distant gyro]

but right now if you repost every week

you can try and try again every week until you inevitably make it

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

peepoweird’s chance to shine

[small timber]

I think it is this one, from january 8th

[hot zephyr]

No

[distant gyro]

maybe the repost window should be like 4 months to let people change their opinions

[hot zephyr]

If you repost Peepoweird I will launch you into space

[exotic stag]

peepoweird.

[crude geode]

Rad

[unique vector]

[crude geode]

Anyways 4 months sounds like a lot but then also am not dev so I view time differently

[small timber]

the previous system is like 1 month no? for suggestion that don't get enough vote

[distant gyro]

at minimum 10 cycles/weeks

[exotic stag]

lo

[small timber]

and the one that actually receive enough votes is different

[distant gyro]

maybe 3 months

[exotic stag]

i just realized how different each proficiency sugg is

[distant gyro]

the previous system is 1 week

[exotic stag]

mine was giving other ways to obtain it. the one above xqc's was "how much you have" and then xqc's is giving more boosts

(also level meter you dont need to equip in an accessory slot though?)

[unique vector]

you dont

i agreege with iban and rober that proficiency should die but

slipper slopeps d

[hot zephyr]

slipslap

[exotic stag]

i mean

we want it to continue cause its cool

[crude geode]

Big agree on vibe

[hot zephyr]

i can't believe you didn't say you agree with me pixl

[small timber]

I don't mind it dying, but if it becomes something useful (that is not +200% damage boost) sure it can continue to exist

[hot zephyr]

so rude...

[unique vector]

its not cool

its stupid and mediocre and trying to make it not negligible makes it a required mechanic to build around which is not what we want right now

[crude geode]

It really is just redundant because the whole point of the game is progression via gear

[unique vector]

its a redundant stat stick

which i also mentioned whenever proficiency was brought up on the dev side

but idk what became of thay

[small timber]

ya the first time I play calamity the mechanic do feel out of place, the entire terraria is literally that there is no "progression"

[crude geode]

rover mentioned fab shot it down

[unique vector]

i will crusade another vote

(later

[crude geode]

speaking of redundant stat sticks can we just make eldritch soul artifact a quirky mage accessory instead of weird as fuck stat stick

[small timber]

it is a rogue emblem that gives +2 minion slot

[exotic stag]

i still think my old giving proficiency other ways to obtain was a decent idea

[crude geode]

It’s a extremely boring stat stick compared to it’s competitor artifacts (funny chicken spam, guardian summons, funny no hit accessory)

[small timber]

I mean looking at your itteration of the suggestion, it will probably need like "scnerio" type mechanic for it to work at all

[unique vector]

i think eldritch is getting changed at some point

idr

[small timber]

I can't imagine anything will be a legit challenge if the player can retain their gear

[crude geode]

devplans.png probably longer than the Bible at this point

[small timber]

it is also an "eldritch" accessory that have no effect with eldritch at all

[crude geode]

I think that’s what’s most frustrating about it to me

[small timber]

dimensional soul artifact' effect literally fit the accessory better, because sacrificing life for damage seems eldritch

[crude geode]

LC is an extremely mage boss who uses magic for all of his attacks, and his dedicated accessory is just a stat stick for every class.

[small timber]

instead it is stat stik

[unique vector]

if only you saw our trello...

[crude geode]

Sounds based

[hot zephyr]

85% epic future content 15% unpopular changes to existing content for the greater good

[crude geode]

Sounds about right

[hot zephyr]

infinity% balance tests requested

[small timber]

is remove proficiency among the 15%

[hot zephyr]

no

[stiff wren]

you think that removing proficiency would be unpopular?

[crude geode]

Me when the game isn’t perfectly balanced

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[small timber]

every nohitters will be "but my 6% damage boost 3% crit and 5% MS", which apparently is 90% of cmt talkers

[crude geode]

It would retroactively be seen as a heart rapier moment regardless of what was removed

[hot zephyr]

but now we're introducing community members as testers to grow the testing team which is kinda pog...

[crude geode]

Even if it was like a errant pixel on a sprite people would be like oh my god but it was so quirky!

[stiff wren]

anyone who says "but my 6% damage boost" like if it carried them through the entire game should be shot on the spot

[hot zephyr]

so updates should be (theoretically) faster if the bottleneck is/was testing

my quirky poison staff reskin

[crude geode]

Honestly prolly a insane change going forward

[hot zephyr]

we had to update a lot of things internally and the intake of community testers will be pretty damn slow

(by design)

[crude geode]

Makes sense considering how small the dev team is

Anyways I have nothing to say about the latest sugg besides it being extremely subjective and therefore hard to argue against

[small timber]

I mean the community should be more accepting for slower update, considering there is certain irl disaster, people just too used to "give me stuff immediately as soon as I want it"

[hot zephyr]

honestly other than COVID affecting us mentally it really isn't as much of a factor vs a AAA studio

[unique vector]

explod

[hot zephyr]

the thing that keeps da updates out is burnout

hi pixl

[crude geode]

Me when opinions

[sleek turret]

indeed

[small timber]

I mean if it affects MENTALLY it is a big deal, most of the work requires mental effort, it kinda spoils the mood to sit down and code

[crude geode]

I disagree heavily on gore attack being unoriginal

[small timber]

I think old duke is more that it is super hard for player to figure out how his projectile actually work, you just know "if I move away sometimes it chase me so I better run away faster"

[crude geode]

@bright crag split up your suggestions. These are two different things by nature, meaning that someone can agree with one but disagree with the other, leading to confusion on voting and just a poorer suggestion.

[small timber]

for overall ya I do agree old duke should be more charge based, considering it is based on duke fishron (which is a mostly contact boss)

[bright crag]

Understandable

[bright crag]

Doesn't it already have a gore attack?
The concept us good, but in execution it's just Sharkrons 2.0

I'll split the suggestion

[crude geode]

The concept of a boss puking at you is pretty original for terraria, but I haven’t looked at the wiki recently to check if old Duke has a different attack that’s similar to his gore attack

[bright crag]

Basically, his Sharkrons split in 2 damaging gores upon death

Which, in a fight, is mechanically equivalent to the gore vonit

He can do these two back-to-back too, essentially flooding the screen with Sulphurous gore and getting cheap hits

[small timber]

ya after fighting it right now his main difficulty is running into off-screen projectile not the charge

[cobalt pewter]

calamity players

hate change

(this is scientifically accurate)

[deft yew]

calamity players are independent fundamentalists confirmed

[exotic stag]

calamity players hate anything that doesnt go with their ideal mod

[deft yew]

and everyone has a radically different ideal mod

[golden tulip]

old duke is already getting buffed next patch

[small timber]

I don't think the suggestion is to buff old duke, it is to make old duke feel less unfair

[small timber]

^

[golden tulip]

well you might get this as a response

[small timber]

I think there is still values to get it into dev server, at the very least it will be acknowledge that there is a demand for a change like this, considering votes represent public interest

[golden tulip]

true

[fossil finch]

WHY is the provi sugg not exclaimed

I will COMPLAIN to the manager about pixl not doing their job properly

[golden tulip]

what provi sugg

[exotic stag]

snomtaros

[bright crag]

It was

Idk why it's not exclaimed anymore

[exotic stag]

piiiixlllll

[unique vector]

FUCK you guys

its excl;aiomed now

@woven nexus you need to provide more reasoning than that for a suggestion

and with a little more than just personal subjectiveness

[untold pagoda]

wa

hold on

i have an exclamation on my suggestion but i dont know the issue

[small timber]

probably because lack of reasoning other than it would be cool?

since the suggestion is "yo this is in the reference game you should add this, and this is some way to make it more balance", but no reason why it needs to be added

other than it would be cool of course

[untold pagoda]

oh wait yeah im an idiot

you dont really do events post yharon

you either already grinded everything or use alchnpc