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#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
I do think a lot of semi-generic side bosses' problem (crabulon, servants of the devourer, ravager) is just not connecting well within the world as something like plaguebringer is.
You can't make every boss have relevant drops and be needed in progression but you can make them feel more natural.
small timber
just to form a more solid opinion, what is the particular problem you have with ravager? (I don't mean to sound rude but I think this is the clearer sentence)
because as a fight I think he is functional, the only thing I will wish to change is his p1 fist
dusty stirrup
Everyone can edit this freely?
unique vector
yus
dusty stirrup
Feels like it might get messy soon
crude geode
Did you read the paragraph I put in the doc? I mostly explained that he just feels purposeless to fight outside of farming materials, since his drops get outdated fast, so the only end result is a small rage upgrade.
distant gyro
yeah it'll potentially get messy
cobalt pewter
mhm
unique vector
id rather not force ppl to submit random comments
dusty stirrup
It'd just help knowing who wrote what
distant gyro
just hope no one is goin to ham on it
unique vector
oh true
small timber
Did you read the paragraph I put in the doc? I mostly explained that he just fee...
isnt it mostly related to his position as a boss rather than the fight itself?
cobalt pewter
oh actually good point
cobalt pewter
I use my real name on google 
dusty stirrup
I don't really mind everyone being able to edit but it's hard to decipher all this when there's different people with different opinions writing in the same color w
cobalt pewter
imma add my discord uname there
crude geode
isnt it mostly related to his position as a boss rather than the fight itself?
we're not just talking about fights, at least that's the vibe I got from pixl.
unique vector
i added a text to the top
dusty stirrup
aweso
crude geode
unique vector
@crude geode add a comment next to the ideas ur adidng
distant gyro
yeah paragraphs spring up
unique vector
with your discord tag
distant gyro
tru
unique vector
exposure
crude geode
massive f
unique vector
ill add it then here
dusty stirrup
oh god ooh fuck i just saw the 5 new paragraphs
unique vector
replaced urs with mine
west jackal
You want us to put our tags next to ours?
cobalt pewter
tanks!
unique vector
add a Google Doc comment with ur discord tag yeah
so we know whos idea is from whos
west jackal
Ight
unique vector
i forgordocs makes everyone anonymous
west jackal
I have to figure out how to make one lmao
unique vector
you can just add your name somewhere to the front of ur addition
and ill add a comment for u
small timber
I have to fight every boss at least once before writing so it will take a while
unique vector
im going to like
be 100% blunt
thank u graydee <3
your suggestions here will probably be discarded if we or fab disagrees with them
west jackal
Yeah
unique vector
which is why i ask you all to be as objective and as concise as possible
west jackal
I mean y’all are the devs
unique vector
if it just sounds like u want a major boss change for the sake of "relevancy" or something minor it wont be considered
im pointing this specifically at the weird uh
astrum deus sugg
crude geode
felt like it was pointed at something
imo the problem is that astrum deus' barrage was copy pasted onto destroyer
small timber
just for a food of thought, is saying a boss should get "grand scale rework" a valid opinion? since it is just stating opinion not a suggestion
crude geode
what boss do you consider needing one?
unique vector
the more you want something to change the less likely fab will probably agree with it
since he's the one who has to write all the changes in the code
small timber
ok, I will take that into consideration
unique vector
im not stopping you but you better have a damn good reason lol
west jackal
I would say make the sugs sound less like “I don’t like this” and more like “this boss has a problem”
crude geode
I would say make it sound "this boss can be improved this way"
west jackal
Yeah
west jackal
With mine, I’m not really sure how we can be improved
cobalt pewter
(wanted signut at first, but i rember he will get a rework)
west jackal
But I know it has problems with the dash and no other attacks
small timber
which one? WoF?
west jackal
And I don’t wanna suggest an attack to add
west jackal
which one? WoF?
Storm weaver
small timber
hmm, tbh I think storm weaver is fine, just have to make his lightning ball (position) appear more consistently
it is fine as a transitional boss
crude geode
Personally, I generally dislike the argument of "lack of attacks bad", because it's an oversimplification of other possible problems
i.e. a lack of variety for a major boss, or the main attack being too easy to avoid
violet dagger
for deus I think wait until next update because idk really what that "projectiles change with health" means
for all we know it could mean projectiles with completely different behaviour spawn with lower health
west jackal
Personally, I *generally* dislike the argument of "lack of attacks bad", because...
Yeah but in sw’s case, I believe that it’s a valid argument
violet dagger
while we talk about sentinels signus is planned to get a rework soon right
cobalt pewter
I think what I bothered the most on wof is that its only legitimate strategy is "get the fuck as far as possible, get a metronome and jump along with the metronome"
west jackal
Since the attacks it does have are just forcing you to run
violet dagger
I know he is getting a resprite soon also
cobalt pewter
while I feel like wof should be the boss you're constantly keeping up with
crude geode
soon pixl will be able to make a channel called think tank with just our decapitated human heads inside thinking of calamity
violet dagger
calmain suggestion neural network when
cobalt pewter
"what if we use 100% of our brain" the doc
violet dagger
that might actually be a stupid idea to see what it comes up with
distant gyro
your information has been sold
west jackal
Personally, I *generally* dislike the argument of "lack of attacks bad", because...
I mean, how else are you gonna make sw less of a running sim besides a rework
Or reworking of the main attack
Fuck
I didn’t think of that lmao
unique vector
moment
crude geode
Or reworking of the main attack
i.e. a lack of variety for a major boss, or the main attack being too easy to avoid
lo
west jackal
Should I say to make the dash cut you off or just that it needs a rework
crude geode
probably just make the dash cut you off
I would put my thoughts on destroyer but my brain is hyperfocused on the idea of choosing your fight
staying in the air and dealing with probes
or
staying on the ground and dealing with the destroyer
and that's a pretty big rework 
i'll just stick with "make more focus on probes" since it helps keep his "pierce/crowd control good" gimmick from vanilla while also (hopefully) not being too much effort
frozen hornet
(bumping because scrolling up is a pain)
unique vector
wym entail
eternal escarp
whats the doc for basically?
is it opinions and thoughts people can share for bosses?
suggestion wise i assume because, its in this channel
frozen hornet
just things you think are a problem with a boss
violet dagger
tbh I like the idea of sharing feedback directly with the devs instead of having it have to go through the entire system
unique vector
im only doing this to garner community feedback occassionally
frozen hornet
hey pixl where's EoW and Hive in the doc
unique vector
is it opinions and thoughts people can share for bosses?
for the time being
small timber
it is difficulty for devs to simply just hear everyone
unique vector
ill probably lock it down in a few weeks
oh right i forgot the other evils
one sec
there
small timber
(and also account for the fact that many opinion such as in cmt is "yo malice ... boss is too easy you should buff it by 900% so I can defiled armageddon no accessory it")
frozen hornet
Thanke
golden narwhal
the doc sated everyone
frozen hornet
omw to double that
small timber
well I have a suggestion posting today but it is super controversial
I guess I will just type it out
unique vector
i very very very highly doubt this will ever get approved
small timber
ya probably, but just to put the idea out there at least
unique vector
you're suggesting a giant mechanical tier shift to be earlier for purely lore reasons
small timber
because there will be other way to implement this
unique vector
and also contradict yourself by creating an even bigger lore plothole of why she'd move in with the terrarian in the first place if shes still semi serving under yharim before her fight
small timber
not really, the suggestion specified that cal npc don't have her full function (basically cosmetic npc that give Calamity Guides)
unique vector
i dont think that'd be useful gameplay wise ngl
you're just adding redundancy to vanilla guide's current role
small timber
from a spying sense it make sense, the Terrarian is an entity that is very quickly rising in power, and WoF cause significantly change in the entire world
unique vector
i really dont think it makes sense but hey thats just me
theres nothing inherently wrong with this suggestion so im not deleting it
but i dont think there'd be a single dev that'd agree with this
small timber
ya, the suggestion if definitely not perfect
unique vector
you have to really consider the gameplay aaspects as well
small timber
the problem with this suggestion is just whether the devs want to introduce a change purely for lore, it will have really 0 gameplay interaction (as her full function is not provided), but ya, the suggestion only exist to try to fix a plot hole rather than a beneficial change
unique vector
is there any benefit to reducing her to a "Guide 2.0 but calamity"
what would she do to be relevant
how would that easily transition to her fight
small timber
people asked for it is the only thing I know, and some get approved
I think it was to be slapped onto Amidias or vanilla Guide is what I remember, whether or not a Calamity Guide is needed is not really for me
unique vector
amiddias will be
small timber
the intend of the suggestion if for her to do exactly nothing, her appearing earlier is to spy on the player who defeated the WoF and cause significant change in the entire world in such a short time (from lore perspective, Hollow, Astral Infection etc)
small timber
ya, it is not really necessary, like stated the suggestion really is only to fix a plot hole
oh wait I forgot to mention that she restore her function as the Enchant/Exhume NPC post Scal
no wonder I felt disconnected in that conversation
frozen hornet
I think it'll be better if she indirectly interacted with the player like how draedon talks to the player through the schematics
small timber
maybe, but compare to draedon she has less reason to do that
unless they change her lore so that she want terrarian to grow and defeat yharim, which from her dialogue don't seem to be the case
draedon is just purely "yo I created this ultimate weapon and you are strong, I want to use you to test said ultimate weapon"
frail mortar
At the time of the current lore though, calamitas is half insane when facing the terrarian due to mental trauma caused by yharim. The terrarian just happens to knock some sense into her so she kind of "switches sides" after realizing the player is entirely capable of defeating yharim
But during the actual fight, scal wants you dead because she was either sent to kill you or that her thought process was tampered with to make her believe the terrarian was the bad guy.
So if we had scal earlier as an npc way before the actual fight, it wouldn't make sense
Because said npc would just try to murder you
cobalt pewter
instead of pushing the npc back, small lore bits could be added in places (?) after cal clone is defeated maybe
(arguably the reworked crags could be ncie)
frail mortar
Ye
There is a lore rewrite for some stuff going on i think
So we may see some new stuff, who knows
violet dagger
tbh I think its safe to say the next few updates are going to focus on making the lore actually make sense in the game
r&d was major lore progress imo
before that lore was kinda just it exists but barely means anything in the game
small timber
I thought the lore reason behind the fight of scal is that the Terrarian is perceived by scal as a person who kill their way to rise in power (which reminds her of yharim), therefore she decide to get rid of the player. It is less that yharim sent scal to kill the player but more that the player summon scal to kill her for power
frozen hornet
the player summoned her at the altar
small timber
therefore from that perspective scal spying on the player just to see the player kill everything in their path will make sense that during their final confrontation she is mad at the player
frail mantle
new Crags are likely gonna have some in-game lore elements that relate to Calamitas
small timber
I think it was removed from the don't so basically you can suggest it, at least that is what I assume from reading it
crude geode
@lapis canyon needs kill times
lapis canyon
small timber
alluvion seems not strong too if I remember
small timber
ya on that sense alluvion is just not strong (but also not weak), phangasm get gimped too much by defense
ultima havent tested, I thought it was magic weapon
bold wave
what
bold wave
or is it just a generally unfavourable trait for a sugg?
ruby plover
its just adding small toggleables will bloat the toggle menu
and trivial ones will drown out the important ones
bold wave
That is fair
honestly, I have a hunch my sugg won't be very popular no matter what way it's presented, so I'll just delete it.
Although, it does make me think if it would be possible to make a separate toggle menu for less important toggles
or would it just overly complicate things
fossil finch
It would
cobalt pewter
@blissful osprey Cold Divinity, like the rest of Challenge items, will become normal items, and I feel like they'll also take a look at their balance while doing so...I think?
small timber
just to gather opinion: does anyone feel like deathmode golem is complete bullshit? Phase 2 it is a chaotic fight with like 7 different things you need to pay attention to (bouncing fireball, body projectile, body jump, head projectile, head flame blast, lingering flame blast, head position (if no homing weapon))
eternal escarp
personally, not really
jagged spade
just to gather opinion: does anyone feel like deathmode golem is complete bullsh...
yes
eternal escarp
i quite like Rev+ Golem tbh
small timber
ya Rev is fine (tested), Death is just
jagged spade
that fight is fucking bullshit
eternal escarp
it mostly comes down to how much attention you can give to the projectiles around you
small timber
I am just surprise no one talked about it
jagged spade
oops you got hit by a fireball that you didnt pay attention to!!!
eternal escarp
the fireballs are
mostly fine imo
they could prolly just be slower and theyd be 100% fine
jagged spade
the fireballs are
mostly fine imo
the lingering fire...
eternal escarp
lingering fire is 200% fine lmao
jagged spade
no its not
small timber
I think the main problem is when you mix a non-homing weapon into it
eternal escarp
just pay attention to when it shoots out
small timber
because then aiming head becomes very difficult (while paying attention to other things going on)
eternal escarp
its so slow and has a different sound im pretty sure, rather easy if you pay attention to the area and the fight
jagged spade
anyways the golem death fight is complete bullshit and i am not even going to talk about this
eternal escarp
and you dont have to aim for the head, but you can just get it down to pattern
small timber
I think individually they are fine, it is just not fine when it is all of them at the sametime
eternal escarp
i personally disagree, them together is the most challenging and fun part of the fight 
it really comes down to just
attention management
eternal escarp
they could prolly just be slower and theyd be 100% fine
only thing i could agree on specifically for that section
the rest i find totally fine
small timber
ya just refighted it
apparently not looking at the boss at all definitely helps
because then it turns from paying attention at 7 things to just paying attention at 1 thing (surroung the player)
eternal escarp
exactly
its unironically a really cool fight, aslong as you look deadset on your player and not on the boss it becomes rather interesting
small timber
I still feel like the fight is abit too chaotic, it gives me exo mech 3 mechs kinda feel
eternal escarp
i think its a really good challenge, which it heavily needed beforehand
small timber
hmm I might try to rethink my think tank on golem
eternal escarp
you did remind me though to spill my own thoughts into there
small timber
I see no one posted anything on pre-HM bosses so it was free real estate for me
eternal escarp
does the doc accept good compliments aswell? because id like to say some of those too for specific bosses
small timber
but I think different opinion should definitely still go (eventhough it is filled)
I think it probably can do, still good to know what is good and what needs improvement
eternal escarp
ill prolly go and say anything i have to add that isnt just repeating others
small timber
since it is highly opinion based
exotic stag
infernom nom nom
frozen hornet
Golem is fine imo, it's really damn hard and I like that
It's a late hardmode boss damit
stiff wren
It's a late hardmode boss damit
yeh but late hardmode is pretty much midgame
eternal escarp
doesnt mean it shouldnt be hard
small timber
I think being hard is fine, just that the difficulty comes from it being chaotic
frozen hornet
is that wrong though?
stiff wren
the difficulty should only come from 750dmg fireballs smh
small timber
which I am not sure how I feels about it
eternal escarp
personally i dont see your claim tbh, sorry
i feel like its orgenized enough to be 100% dodgable
exotic stag
^
frozen hornet
The chaos is manageable
exotic stag
its golem. notorious for being shit
small timber
chaotic as in too many things happening at the same time, the same problem with exo mechs 3 mechs phase
eternal escarp
ehhhhh
exotic stag
giving golem a hard actual fight is what he needs.
eternal escarp
Golem only really has
2 things going on
- 2 arena limiters
3 exomechs is 4 things going on with about 3 different arena limiters
one of them being Ares in large
small timber
just to gather opinion: does anyone feel like deathmode golem is complete bullsh...
not really, 7, exo mechs also 7 (4 ares arms, artemis, apollo, thanatos), and that is not counting splitted projectile
unique vector
eternal escarp
wher his head will be at, and the body location
small timber
the difference is exo mechs you have infinity arena so you have to pay attention to like 1 of them (ares laser)
eternal escarp
fireballs are usually dodged on a whim if you look at the player, and if you dodge accordingly to its head everything turns fine
stiff wren
need to keep track to in golem is
funky yellow pew pew thing
bouncy ball
big static red hitbox
head
body
eternal escarp
as i said
frozen hornet
the jumps, the lasers, the bouncy fireballs, the lingering fireballs, the head lasers
the jumps can be avoided by just dashing
both lasers and fireballs you just need to watch where they're going
and lingering fireball you just be careful where you're flying
exotic stag
blast is pretty much correct here
eternal escarp
if you look at everything that is happening, and not the things that matter
then yes it chaotic
but if you put your attention in correctly
exotic stag
the jumps, the lasers, the bouncy fireballs, the lingering fireballs, the head l...
jumps can be avoided by anything really
eternal escarp
it becomes far more managable
frozen hornet
yea
exotic stag
duck under. dash. fly above.
stiff wren
but if you put your attention in correctly
bruh now you are just saying "its not chaotic if you pay attention to everything"
eternal escarp
if you pay attention to the Head itself, you know where and when it shoots
then you have far more attention for the fireballs and the jumps
eternal escarp
bruh now you are just saying "its not chaotic if you pay attention to everything...
...yes
frozen hornet
The only really hard thing imo is hitting the fucker and the lingering fireballs
exotic stag
bruh now you are just saying "its not chaotic if you pay attention to everything...
thats literall
if you pay attention and can manage. you'll be fine
eternal escarp
because there isnt much to actually pay attention to when you think of it correctly
stiff wren
duh its chaotic
its chaotic either way
exotic stag
no it really isnt
frozen hornet
if your just screaming and flailing about
(I do that and I don't find it too crazy )
stiff wren
it doesnt stop being a mess of projectiles if you pay attention
eternal escarp
pay attention to the head, you know when it will and where it will shoot
you can hear the lasers shooting and remembering where the body is is rather easy
you see
exotic stag
death golem is literally like levi. just pay attention
stiff wren
with the main difference being that you can just circle around levi
exotic stag
levana has the same thing as golem. if you pay attention you'd be good
exotic stag
*with the main difference being that you can just circle around levi*
you can also somewhat circle around golem.
eternal escarp
eh i wouldnt say that
frozen hornet
The only thing I'd get rid of is the bouncy fireballs but they're not even that bad
stiff wren
you can also somewhat circle around golem.
no?
eternal escarp
not the best comparison
but regardless
golem is not chaotic when you actually
know what to pay attention to
its rather orgenizable
if you think of every single thing on its own you will try to keep track of way too much
frozen hornet
So out of 6 things just watch out for 3
frozen hornet
lingering fire, head, body
eternal escarp
head related
stiff wren
if you dont keep track of everything then you are going to get hit often
exotic stag
well
eternal escarp
the lingering fire you can see on the area anyways so
exotic stag
thats again called focus
eternal escarp
if you dont keep track of everything then you are going to get hit often
and thats the players fault
not the boss' design
stiff wren
and thats the players fault
THEN STOP SAYING "JUST KEEP TRACK OF SOME THINGS BUT NOT EVERYTHING"
unique vector
🤨
eternal escarp
if the player doesnt want to keep track of everything and just flail around, then yeah its their fault
if the player actually wanted to learn the fight then they can actually put in the focus
frozen hornet
@blissful osprey can you provide kill times
exotic stag
basically nohit
eternal escarp
theres very little variance / randomness to Golem making it a rather consistent fight to actuually be good at
exotic stag
learn the boss and its patterns
unique vector
arguing abt conflicting design opinions is fine but do not turn this into a shouting argument before i force u guys into cmt
exotic stag
pixl were in cmt
frozen hornet
also I'm preeetty sure EoN was nerfed already
exotic stag
didntcha know sugg discussion is cmt2?
stiff wren
~~learn the boss and its patterns~~
just get good smh my head
exotic stag
just get good smh my head
thats not what i meant.
eternal escarp
well im trying to do it respectfully but i see why youd think otherwise, i apologize
exotic stag
i meant study and adaptation.
unique vector
i was referring to the guy shouting in caps
eternal escarp
oh
stiff wren
i was referring to the guy shouting in caps
sorry
exotic stag
damn i thought you were a "Cool dude"
stiff wren
i meant study and adaptation.
thats basically just telling people to get good
stiff wren
damn i thought you were a "Cool dude"
i have this name so that i can make a joke about me not being cool
every time i do something stupid
eternal escarp
saying "get good" isnt always wrong
when the player is rather well kitted and arena'd (not a thing for golem that needs to be of worry but it can still be expanded)
then yeah, i think its perfectly reasonable at that point to just say
meager geyser
does anyone hjave a video of the golem fight? Havent played calamity in a hot minute, I dont remember the golem fight 💀
eternal escarp
"yeah the player needs to get better at the fight by practice"
stiff wren
saying "get good" isnt helpful in the slightest
exotic stag
saying "get good" isnt helpful in the slightest
except what i was saying wasnt exactly just
"get gud scrub loser"
i was saying about adapting to the bosses attacks. studying his movement compared to yours. and planning.
stiff wren
"get gud scrub loser"
yeah it was instead "get good" without the scrub loser part
eternal escarp
saying "get good" isnt helpful in the slightest
well then, what is?
small timber
seeing as there is definitely many valid opinion on golem being manageable I will change what I stat in the think tank, but one particular thing I want to address is is it agreeable that fighting Golem with a weapon that has no homing or aoe (most notably something like ranger gun without chlorophyte) is complete pain?
stiff wren
well then, what is?
telling people how to actually dodge the attacks
and yeh thats it
unique vector
also im sure someone has made golem vids let me grab a nohit one
stiff wren
there isnt much you can say
exotic stag
telling people how to actually dodge the attacks
dude
that is exactly what i said
adapt and study. then plan your own strategy
eternal escarp
telling people how to actually dodge the attacks
to be fair this is pretty much getting good, just via other people
so my point isnt really, disqualified
stiff wren
to be fair this is pretty much getting good, just via other people
yeah
eternal escarp
oh well
stiff wren
i think the difference is saying how to get good
eternal escarp
i was
stiff wren
instead of just saying to get good
eternal escarp
just about to
meager geyser
aight im gonna watch the video and say what I think about it evven though I havent fought golem in revengeance in a long ass time
eternal escarp
well yes but this isnt a convo on how to get good at golem its a convo about why Golem is a good fight and the "chaos" isnt bad
because its rather not very chaotic when you put your mind to the fight
small timber
oh god I just have to not put 4 platform in the arena
stiff wren
oh god I just have to not put 4 platform in the arena
bruh
small timber
I thought his jump scale with player height in phase 1 so I wanted more platform to dodge the lingering fire more effectively
apparently it just not
eternal escarp
ill record a
death variant of this fight aswell
since there is a slight diff to Rev id assume
small timber
Rev is a lot different, I think fireball bounce slower (and lower count)
I tested both version just now
meager geyser
maybe itws the fact that its a nohitter but the fight doesnt look unreasonable in any way
seems decently easy to control with an arena
but again
id have to fight it to be sure
eternal escarp
one sec
meager geyser
honestly if anything i think the fight may need more going on
frozen hornet
It's harder if you don't have a homing weapon
small timber
maybe itws the fact that its a nohitter but the fight doesnt look unreasonable i...
the only hard phase is phase 2 (head detach) and when head is half hp, he bursted that phase with Adrenaline. The rest of golem fight is actually on easy side
frozen hornet
and if you leave the head alive (which I do most of the time because hitting it is a pain)
unique vector
just grab an AoE weapon tbh
ive never personally had issues with golem and i tend to avoid homing weapons
frozen hornet
okay but rogue doesn't have that (afaik)
stiff wren
just grab an AoE weapon tbh
dont aoe weapons usually have less damage
or am i just dumb
unique vector
wasnt the argument that hes hard to hit
frozen hornet
okay but you hit more consistently
unique vector
okay but why are you taking every fight to be a dps race
small timber
was 2 argument, 1) chaotic, 2) hard to hit
frozen hornet
As opposed to a non-homing weapon
unique vector
que
stiff wren
okay but why are you taking every fight to be a dps race
because i have a massive skill issue and if a fight lasts for more than 10 minutes then i just die irl
unique vector
i disagree with him being hard to hit
meager geyser
i suck massively at terraria
frozen hornet
Golem doesn't last for 10 minutes brughn
unique vector
i also kind of disagree with him being chaotic but thats more subjective to each player
stiff wren
Golem doesn't last for 10 minutes brughn
i was answering the "why do you think every fight should be a dps race" thing
unique vector
i suck massively at terraria
become lead tester iirc
frozen hornet
fair
stiff wren
become tester if i remember correctly?
unique vector
smile
frozen hornet
I still did decent damage even with mostly tank so like lol?
brittle pumice
less damage means that the fight drags on for more time
first phase golem is 3 targets, any aoe worth the money is a gain on 3
frozen hornet
and I was using a hard to hit weapon (frequency manipulator)
stiff wren
first phase golem is 3 targets, any aoe worth the money is a gain on 3
oh right
i forgot that the hands exist
unique vector
anyway yeah
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtMxID_Z4ahJOIvWzvESJW0u3NGSh0JAh3Qwd9IqSzU/edit?usp=sharing heres the doc if u guys still need it
im gonna close it by saturday probably
stiff wren
imagine being able to suggest ways to improve a boss instead of only talking about things that are a problem for you and only you
unique vector
think of it in terms of game design
how does this benefit or challenge the player
do the inconveniences equate to fun gameplay
exotic stag
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtMxID_Z4ahJOIvWzvESJW0u3NGSh0JAh3Qwd9IqSzU/...
so what mode yes
unique vector
is it engaging
eternal escarp
i have got 2 videos showcasing the final phase for golem
eternal escarp
ill get them to youtube to share
i did not kill the boss, but that wasnt the point anyways, it was to show that its managable
meager geyser
honestly there are changes I'd make to golem that Im not gonna suggest cause they'd be 💀 to implement
unique vector
rev, then
exotic stag
alright thenn
unique vector
honestly there are changes I'd make to golem that Im not gonna suggest cause the...
fab’s going through death AIs rn so yea that would depend on how hard those ideas are lmao
brittle pumice
honestly i think the reason people barely use aoes on like. multisegment bosses is just that by the time it really matters you have piercing bullets
unique vector
hence why im also collecting feedback
so i can like find good bits to squeeze into what he wants
meager geyser
okay but IMO golem should use the lihzahrd temple more
shit like activating traps, area denial, and generally taking advantage of the limited space would be pog
brittle pumice
and pierce is like always a gain over set aoe
stiff wren
okay but IMO golem should use the lihzahrd temple more
Add an attack that makes spiky balls rain from the ceiling :troll:
exotic stag
i might sugg a change to rev fishron tbh. the fights kinda just "dont get hit or lose half of your health in one hit"
exotic stag
100 - 120 damage but add an extra 50%
eternal escarp
apparently i can upload it here so cool
unique vector
shit like activating traps, area denial, and generally taking advantage of the l...
that could be sorta possible if temple gen was consistent
small timber
I think contact do high damage is fine, sharkron doing as much as contact is kinda strange
unique vector
calamity makes it a lot better but u can still ger unlucky with a tint arena adaik
exotic stag
unique vector
fuck
eternal escarp
oh i can get it here
exotic stag
this is dukes entire thing
unique vector
spelling sucks
stiff wren
~~i might sugg a change to rev fishron tbh. the fights kinda just "dont get hit ...
Duke fishron is just a 3 minute fight where all you do is time dashes in my experience
meager geyser
that could be sorta possible if temple gen was consistent
with the amount of vanilla changes calamity makes it wouldnt be out of place to change that
small timber
ya after getting rid of 3 layers of platform I can definitely agreed that golem is much less chaotic
brittle pumice
oh you mentioned changes for hm mage weaps right? would be cool if magic harp projectiles fired at a reasonable speed
eternal escarp
(and to show its not a death sentence if you know to aim)
unique vector
only problem is iirc temple gen is like ass to edit :^)
small timber
because I dont have the body at the same elevation as me constantly shooting bouncy fireballs
unique vector
wouldnt be too terrible though
meager geyser
only problem is iirc temple gen is like ass to edit :^)
fair enough
unique vector
i think.
im not. a programmer uhh
@vocal grotto do you know how hard it would be to make golem’s room generate as a pre defined space
to maximize consistency
meager geyser
probably not that hard honestly
unique vector
would that just require a schematic build
eternal escarp
oh i can get it here
but yeah i conclude, Golem is perfectly reasonable and good, it just depends on the player's ability to pay attention
stiff wren
25x25 golem arena when
unique vector
oh you mentioned changes for hm mage weaps right? would be cool if magic harp pr...
yeah im going over those a little bit
exotic stag
pixl. how would you feel about uh
unique vector
if. u have ideas u can dm me a doc
gray nebula
brittle pumice
golem is a fun boss honestly, you just have to prep arena and keep your eyes open
gray nebula
pixl
exotic stag
me putting in on the doc a change to duke fishrons sharkron damage
eternal escarp
pixl, i have a full list of magic weapons if you want to make a list alike the one you just made for bosses
gray nebula
did you forget golem ALREADY has a pre genned arena in calamity
unique vector
hi yes
unique vector
what
small timber
wait is the video malice? that doesn't look like normal death mode
vocal grotto
With random decorations
unique vector
okay i may have dementia
eternal escarp
wait is the video malice? that doesn't look like normal death mode
it is death mode
stiff wren
I thought it was random bruh
unique vector
sorry LMAO
eternal escarp
im pretty sure i turned malice off
exotic stag
it has a square semi-part
but most of it is still like
weird world gen
usually near the entrance
eternal escarp
byeah i actually dont think i have much to say for the boss doc as of yet
stiff wren
~~seriously mini desert inside my jungle~~
Terraria worldgen at its finest
small timber
I think the arena definitely has variation in how big it is
eternal escarp
so i might just stay as a
debunker :tro
vocal grotto
Actually it might
Depending on like, how big the temple itself is
small timber
my arena is way smaller in width (assuming you didnt modify yours with actuator)
eternal escarp
my arena is way smaller in width (assuming you didnt modify yours with actuator)
(i think i made it like, 20 blocks wider?)
)
eternal escarp
(((dom you know what to do :nexttimeeatasalad:)))
vocal grotto
Add 1 to the list of mod incompatibilities
meager geyser
unique vector
god
meager geyser
i think calamity and SLR already dont work together for some stupid technical reason nobody can figure out
eternal escarp
did people expect otherwise
unique vector
meager geyser
did people expect otherwise <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
well obviously they shouldnt play together but iirc the game crashes if you try to load both
unique vector
maybe im remembering it being small on a smaller world
eternal escarp
ah so like
unique vector
i think calamity and SLR already dont work together for some stupid technical re...
god?
stiff wren
does the room scale with world size
I hope not
I dont want to go back to playing on large worlds
eternal escarp
very not work together, lmao
exotic stag
blast can i ask a favor rq.
vocal grotto
I think it might
eternal escarp
sure
exotic stag
can you test duke fishrons contact damage in rev with the sharkron contact damage?
unique vector
does slr like fundamentally change some vanilla dependencies?
vocal grotto
(((((Please I hate the current temple it's literally just a hallway)))))
eternal escarp
damn i JUST closed tmod
unique vector
I think it might
another reason to never play small worlds ngl
exotic stag
~~ 
~~
unique vector
(((((Please I hate the current temple it's literally just a hallway)))))
GUH
eternal escarp
too lazy to do it for such a small thing tbh
unique vector
lets just make our own calamity temple
eternal escarp
maybe if you give me a better reason 
exotic stag
well
unique vector
profaned temple or something and its just jungle temple but actually good
letsfuckinggo
stiff wren
another reason to never play small worlds ngl
Small worlds have only one purpose
And that is uh getting chest loot quickly
eternal escarp
profaned temple
this was a build idea i had
exotic stag
which is a 350.
exotic stag
sharkrons do the same amount on rev as dukes expert phase.
eternal escarp
do people consider new LC much more difficult?
exotic stag
and mind you. duke spawns those constantly on phase 2. and they are bigger.
literally sharkrons have 750 hp. are bigger. spawn constantly during dukes fight
stiff wren
do people consider new LC much more difficult?
LC?
eternal escarp
personally, while the changes are very welcome, i think LC could still do with more
Lunatic Cultist
exotic stag
yeah
stiff wren
Thought it was the same lmao
eternal escarp
i still feel like LC's difficulty doesnt go beyond that of PBG's, DFish's and Rav's
stiff wren
LC is just you running in one direction
eternal escarp
doesnt matter as much though
exotic stag
280 from a single shark
eternal escarp
new LC is less
and no one counts running in one direction because thats just
exotic stag
thats just running
frozen hornet
oh i can get it here
sheesh that's a lot less chaotic than I remember
eternal escarp
lmao works on like 65% of bosses
small timber
(I only have death mode number 84 defense 5% DR) phase 1: contact around 130, sharkron around 115, phase 2: contact around 200, cthulhunado around 160
stiff wren
By moonwalking on plant boxes
exotic stag
(I only have death mode number 84 defense 5% DR) phase 1: contact around 130, sh...
phase 1 really do be 15 less damage still
unique vector
LC is a big pp man
eternal escarp
normal playthrough wise, LC; while being more difficult then before, still feels (to me) a tad weaker then the 3 bosses previous to it
small timber
I only test it once so not sure if perfectly accurate
eternal escarp
LC's rework was more so just reworking 2.5 of its attack afaik, Ancient Light, Ice Spinners and the Ancient Doom in P2
which is, agian, very welcome since these changes are interesting
small timber
and phase 3 do less damage than phase 2
frozen hornet
and a new attack
stiff wren
They got reworked?
exotic stag
also i feel like i forgot what a cthulhunado is. i only know sharknado
frozen hornet
yes brughn
eternal escarp
and a new attack
you mean the Ancient Dooms that spin around you?
stiff wren
This isnt even a joke
I didnt notice any new things
frozen hornet
mfw LC's rework is the most forgotten resork
eternal escarp
i remembered.
frozen hornet
you mean the Ancient Dooms that spin around you?
Those are ancient dooms?
eternal escarp
well
small timber
just for confirmation: are you running away constantly?
eternal escarp
they shoot and look and break like that
stiff wren
Those are ancient dooms?
Yeah they are the same as ancient dooms
frozen hornet
I thought ancient dooms were the yellow squid heads
stiff wren
Just spinny
eternal escarp
just for confirmation: are you running away constantly?
my arena is rather small
small timber
because the first time I just run away and the second time when I try not to do that he is pretty hard
stiff wren
I thought ancient dooms were the yellow squid heads
No those are the ancient-edgeshits
small timber
at least worthy of post-Golem
frozen hornet
damn
eternal escarp
its pretty much a Skeletron arena in width
frozen hornet
I was so confused lma
stiff wren
The ancient dooms are the things that explode
exotic stag
byeah arent cthulhunados just stronger sharknados
stiff wren
In 4 darts
eternal escarp
trust me if i was running away in a line i wouldnt make this convo
also i found running away a death sentence with the new Ancient Lights (which is good)
small timber
because the second time I fought it like plantera (circling him), and it is definitely hard
stiff wren
Friendship ended with running
Now circles are my best friend
exotic stag
okay so cthulhunados are just.. twice as strong sharknados
unique vector
by asking for boss feedback i have singlehandedly boosted sugg disc’s activity
im a genius
eternal escarp
id say it is challenging, i wont lie
but im mostly saying that it feels rather less then the bosses prior to it
stiff wren
Duke fishron more like dashing simulator
small timber
I mean duke kinda is a "secret boss" in vanilla
eternal escarp
by asking for boss feedback i have singlehandedly boosted sugg disc’s activity
someone to actually listen to people ramble without having to send a suggestion and wait about a week is rather a blessing
well, that could be a valid point
but PBG and Rav
mainly PBG considering its way more preluded
("Plague has befallen the jungle")
small timber
I find PBG much easier than cultist but opinion varies heavily, the hardest part of PBG was can't see mine if your background wall is bad
eternal escarp
hm
exotic stag
also yes
eternal escarp
well then this might honestly just be a me thing finding LC rather less then the prior bosses
small timber
I think cultist is fine, at least on-par with post golem
in a sense cultist should be the same difficulty as duke, pbg and ravager
the only thing it needs is escape denial so running 100mph away offscreening him 9O% of the fight is not a thing
exotic stag
lc should be around expert duke..
eternal escarp
personally i feel like, because its a major boss in progression, it should be atleast ever so slightly harder then the optional bosses before it
exotic stag
imho lc should hit harder then normal mode sharkron. hit more then 150 damage
stiff wren
I think it should be on the same difficulty/slightly easier because the other bosses are optional
small timber
lc hit very hard now
eternal escarp
(LC hits rather hard considering some of its attack inflict like, Holy Flames)
small timber
it chunks like 150+ damage (sound 200+)
stiff wren
(LC hits rather hard considering some of its attack inflict like, Holy Flames)
No way preml providence?!?!?!??!
eternal escarp
Ancient Light inflicts Holy Flames, i know that for sure
Ancient Doom inflicts Shadowflames
Lightning inflicts Electrified
small timber
and also have 2 attacks that apply not negatable debuff that each burn for like 30-50 hp
eternal escarp
i think fireballs inflict On Fire! (?)
exotic stag
cursed flames iirc.
small timber
and ice shard definitely inflict glacial
exotic stag
also yeah uh
can we buff the damage of like. the ice spinny attack so that it does 200 rather then less then a sharkron thats on the normal difficulty
eternal escarp
you are looking too much into the damage values
exotic stag
damag
stiff wren
As i said, the difficulty of a boss should only come from 750dmg projectiles
small timber
often damage is directly tied with how easy it is to avoid (and telegraph), ice spinny thing chase you while sharkron comes from static tornado
eternal escarp
stiff wren
Thats the best way to handle uh difficulty in bossfights
exotic stag
often damage is directly tied with how easy it is to avoid (and telegraph), ice ...
the ice spinny thing is short and can be teleported away from. sharkrons fire twice as fast. are bigger. and hit way harder.
and dont forget
Duke in p2 on rev casually spawns them too. without a tornado
small timber
the tornado is half of the fight, ice spinny thing is one attack and cultist can do other things too
the tornado is in fact very manipulatable, phase 1 you just drag to top and bottom of your arena, phase 2 it follows you so even easier
small timber
it is still absurd that it does contact damage level of damage, but ya it is not as hard as you feel
dusty stirrup
Ah yes the ice attack than can freeze you to basically hitstun you should deal more damage
eternal escarp
wtf invis phupper
small timber
that one I think is straight up not true, it spawn everytime it do double dash
small timber
then maybe the time for it to execute between double dash is exactly 10 sec, I dont know
stiff wren
Ah yes the ice attack than can freeze you to basically hitstun you should deal m...
No way is that the popular high damage rogue weapon ephemeral flawless scarlet devil?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
exotic stag
no storm thats wrong because rev duke should have 152100 hp on rev.
grim tusk
True nerfed defense but buffed hp
exotic stag
yeah anyway why doesnt it say on the wiki for 152100...
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sleek wadi
violet dagger
languid quartz
exotic stag
@grim tusk pluse. sorry
grim tusk
in the meantime
exotic stag
pluse dragon
weary ledge
~~can we buff the damage of like. the ice spinny attack so that it does 200 rath...
But the Ice Mist (that’s the projectile’s name) can stunlock you.
brisk bramble
Improve the Enraged Ares
Right now he does not seem like a huge threat and makes the blender phase easy to exploit
weary ledge
He gains 85% DR
brisk bramble
Never noticed it
Im playing on Death, not malice
weary ledge
That’s not a malice thing I don’t think
brisk bramble
I dont feel the DR increase when I fight him enraged.
Even so
its still an easier alternative than going through the blender
Might become a crutch
grim tusk
the 85% DR is there but he's so vulnerable to AoE and Debuffs it barely makes a difference most of the time
brisk bramble
Yeah
Buff the Ares Enrage
it doesnt feel like its enraged
apart from faster projectiles.
weary ledge
Hmm yes Debuffs against a target with over 1 million HP
brisk bramble
I mean
Violence Shreds Ares even enraged
grim tusk
Hmm yes Debuffs against a target with over 1 million HP
aflame :troll:
weary ledge
aflame :troll:
brisk bramble
Even so
I tried AoTC on ares
Still pretty effective against him despite enraged
grim tusk
@unique vector you're balancing mage right? take a look at post-Providence, most of the weapons there are extremely bad. On the other hand theres Purge guzzler. The only decent weapons I could find are Plasma Rifle and its copy of Plasma caster, and Aether's whisper if your rng is good. The rest just sucks esp mistlestorm and divine retribution, feels like using something from post-Golem vs Polt.
brisk bramble
Wuh
weary ledge
Thunderstorm is fun
brisk bramble
Also a discussion
i feel like with the PBS
Ranger is now in a good position
weary ledge
Divine Retribution was the first weapon I ever used to kill Polterghast, back in 2020
small timber
I heard mage have no good weapon against exo at all no? Even rancor is mediocre
brisk bramble
You can now play risky and passive instead of playing Passive all the time
weary ledge
I heard mage have no good weapon against exo at all no? Even rancor is mediocre
Aetherflux Cannon
Void Vortex
Yharim’s Crystal
Voltaic Climax even
grim tusk
I heard mage have no good weapon against exo at all no? Even rancor is mediocre
Helium flash
weary ledge
That too
grim tusk
Oblatory helium flash is :godglasses: vs em
weary ledge
Heck Purge Guzzler for Thanatos
grim tusk
I heard mage have no good weapon against exo at all no? Even rancor is mediocre
Gruesome eminescence also decent
weary ledge
Oblatory Void Vortex is very funny
small timber
Ok, I guess I just get the impression that mage is bad against exo because people decide to just use rancor
grim tusk
is wand still good?
demoted to support but still very good in that place (with old die or other dmg mults its still ridiculous lmao)
grim tusk
Oh wait SSV is now exo ye?
yes
weary ledge
Rancor kinda bad IMO
small timber
Since I assumed it is the best option
brisk bramble
Is it still good against the hearts?
grim tusk
Is it still good against the hearts?
not by itself but helps quite a bunch
brisk bramble
Vivid Clarity?
weary ledge
Think of The Wand as a super Nimbus Rod
unique vector
divine ret used to be good up until DoG
it got nerfed along with undine ret at some point
brisk bramble
I feel like
mage got hit the hardest with the power balance
With how powerful mage got back in 1.4 cal
weary ledge
it got nerfed along with undine ret at some point
Ah maybe after I used it then because I 2 attempted expert polterghast in a tiny arena with it
This was back when you had to kill the clone to Damage polterghast and then it would respawn after a bit
weary ledge
Mage still great
grim tusk
mage got nerfed quite hard yes
it used to be so op before tho
perhaps it was nerfed too hard
small timber
oh no not my 90% subjective opinion
brisk bramble
Add a Sentry thats Pushes enemies back
A suggestion of mine is to add something has lesser offensive power, but serves more as a Defense-utility item that pushes enemies back. This gives the player convenience whenever he does something outside of fighting, eliminating the hassle of multitasks whenever possible.
Repost of old sugg.
unique vector
thats why im doing this rn yes
grim tusk
Add a Sentry thats Pushes enemies back
A suggestion of mine is to add something ...
OoA mine sentries, caustic croaker
weary ledge
Is Last Prism good now?
grim tusk
Is Last Prism good now?
always has been
brisk bramble
OoA mine sentries, caustic croaker
Oh damnb
grim tusk
Since before it was viable but not great
before it was overshadowed by op shit
mage used to have a lot of that
COCKtail
brisk bramble
Ah
grim tusk
Augur and Effer
grim tusk
yep
brisk bramble
Augur and Effer
Nuclear fury?
weary ledge
Thunderstorm at least was viable on Yharon in 1.4
Idk about now
Also managed to get Scal to 20% with it in 40 minutes
grim tusk
Nuclear fury?
Nuclear fury was fine, not busted just outclassed like prism
brisk bramble
Phantasmal Fury was powerful
weary ledge
Venusian Trident definitely was not powerful though
brisk bramble
Pole warper used to do half the dps it does today against scal
It used to di like
6k dps against scal
Now it does 17K dps
weary ledge
Pole Warper used to be absolutely trash
weary ledge
It used to di like
6k dps against scal
Now it does 17K dps
That’s because her defense and especially her DR got decreased
brisk bramble
I did 800k dps with the old Pole warper once
weary ledge
Galaxy Smasher used to go like 8k to Scal (I did a hammers only run), now it’s actually pretty solid against her
frozen hornet
Are there plans to make silva have a set bonus as good as GS?
fallow hedge
frozen hornet
ye rn GS is much better and mage and summoner get fucked
unique vector
when the when the when
unique vector
when am i not
small timber
massive buff
(tbh after seeing this I think the chance of silva getting buff is slim)
(like this buff literally serve excatly 0 purpose, in fact it is a massive nerf because now you have a 5 minute useless countdown debuff stucked on your buff slots for the rest of the fight that will never go away until the fight is over)
I still do not understand why they thought "let silva revive have a lengthy cooldown instead of once per life" = let's add a cooldown that do not decrease in boss fight
small timber
thank god at least that is not happening
distant gyro
still funny that people make a huge deal out of buff slots ngl
small timber
I still do not understand why they thought "let silva revive have a lengthy cool...
still though, currently the change serve almost no purpose, since out of boss fight before you can just die and it will be back up again, so all this do is QoL (but silva revive is already weak compare to GDS)
I mean, the buff slot can be used for very useful effect like draconic surge or cadance, which both have a chance to be deleted if exceed max buff slot
distant gyro
because you're supposed to have it once per bossfight
even though 5 minutes is comically high
small timber
ya from that front understandable, just silva revive is a bit too weak right now compare to GSD, my complain was I thought it will put countdown debuff (but at least that do not happen so this is still QoL)
distant gyro
GSD will probably be nerfed if it's too good
distant gyro
it's made so strong because there is no idea how much people value the old GS revive
small timber
then it probably will be nerfed (if utilized), it already is too good and it is basically better NR (which already got nerfed)
it is an even more get out of jail card than NR
distant gyro
now that most people can agree that GSD is way better than old GS revive
it'll go back to that level
small timber
ya it is way better, the only thing is whether people is actively using it (most still didn't get used to it)
distant gyro
that's also another thing
violet dagger
I probably haven't used it because I want to do nohits in the future so I want to get into the mindset of "only iframes from bonking are allowed"
distant gyro
GSD is manual so it should at least be better at its highest potential
violet dagger
tbh I think gsd should be reduced during boss fights
distant gyro
reduced in general
violet dagger
its good for overworld traversal
distant gyro
there are things dedicated for overworld traversal
small timber
GSD can have 60s CD and it probably will still be good, currently it has 35
violet dagger
rip burden breaker 
small timber
although more than that probably will be a big nerf unless the dev intend to make it the same level as silva revive
cobalt pewter
silva CD is more QoL than a proper buff
distant gyro
correct
cobalt pewter
(relic of deliverance)
relic of yeet
distant gyro
it's practically the same just that you don't have to SE before starting a bossfight
cobalt pewter
earnest raptor
The only thing siiva cooldown is good for is hardcore fights
It's just much faster to suicide than to wait out
stiff wren
still funny that people make a huge deal out of buff slots ngl
People care about buff slots because there arent many
distant gyro
22 is a pretty decent amount
still zodiac
People usually don't know that they shouldn't use every single potion at their disposal
cobalt pewter
though cal accommodates that with the combination potions
22 is alright in most cases, but usually the amount of cooldowns / brief effects using buff slots can be pretty cringe
like the Spirit Rune? Hallowed Rune? line should not have buff slots imo, just runes that float on positions around the player should be more than enough to indicate the effects
distant gyro
summoner in general is the only issue
minions taking buff slots further discourage mixing
crude geode
Brief effects using buff slots is indeed pretty cringe
frozen hornet
mounts too
stiff wren
though cal accommodates that with the combination potions
Arent combination potions from alchnpc?
cobalt pewter
cadance
stiff wren
mounts too
Anything that isnt a buff using a buff slot is cringe
Engrish
cobalt pewter
titan
stiff wren
Yharim brand heroin
stiff wren
Idk
I think the only combination potions in cal are cadance potion and yharim's stimuthings
Titan skin is the knockback resistance one right?
cobalt pewter
oh yeah titan scale
stiff wren
Alchnpc exclusive potion more like garbage potion
unborn siren
the alchnpc potions are either op or garbage, with like 1 exception
exotic stag
why are you.. talking about alchnpc in here?
alchnpc selling you custom potions with "THESE ARE NOT CALAMITY POTIONS" in the description is not our fault
and alchnpc selling you cal potions is again. not our fault its just mod compatibility
fossil finch
wow i wonder
ashen warren
sorry
fossil finch
you don't have to sugg this because this is obviously already planned yea
eternal escarp
its fine
ashen warren
never knew it was planned
eternal escarp
you can see the planned concept in a document pinned in caltalk, since you are likely interested
along with other planned resprites for bosses
but yeah you dont need to suggest this since its already going to happen Eventually™️
torn crown
Isn't DoG already doing predictive teleporting
Ever since ~1.5
Also if you run too far away it'll spawn another portal without having to teleport on the other
fossil finch
Cadance doesn't reduce spawns anyway, it only reduces aggro
There is no need for this
warm jetty
Cadance doesn't reduce spawns anyway, it only reduces aggro
It says aggro, but reduces spawn rates I'm fairly certain. Same as the Calming Potion
crude geode
Cadance doesn't reduce spawns anyway, it only reduces aggro
"Enemy spawn rates are decreased by 56%, and maximum spawn count is decreased by 44%."
from the wiki
fossil finch
Fair enough then
exotic stag
~~wtf does it mean spawncount. like does the 100 max enemies on screen get reduced by 44%?
crude geode
it could be the wiki being wrong but I highly believe that cadence inherits one of it's base potions effects
warm jetty
~~wtf does it mean spawncount. like does the 100 max enemies on screen get reduc...
I believe so yes
crude geode
ye
exotic stag
that is such a weird thing
warm jetty
it could be the wiki being wrong but I highly believe that cadence inherits one ...
Yeah that inherit is from the Calming Potion. "Reduce enemy aggro"
fossil finch
Then the tooltip is wrong lo
crude geode
it's vanilla what do you expect lo
fossil finch
cadance isn't vanilla
distant gyro
but calming is
fossil finch
i mean the tooltip of cadance
distant gyro
and 1.3 calming is wrong so
fossil finch
It explicitly removes the part in calming that goes "reduces enemy spawns"
distant gyro
(idk if 1.4 fixed the tooltip not bothering to check)
fossil finch
That's the buff tooltip
distant gyro
therefore
fossil finch
what about the potion tooltip
crude geode
yeah should be
hurts my head that it's correct in the item tooltip but wrong in the buff tooltip
fossil finch
yes and what's calming item tooltip
crude geode
warm jetty
Calming potion tooltip for item and buff was fixed in vanilla 1.4
crude geode
vanilla wiki must not document that (or smthn idk)
distant gyro
fix should be in fixes
crude geode
yeah the tooltip being wrong should probably go in like bugs or smthn
either way it takes like 2 seconds to fix
warm jetty
Ok, I will post it there.
crude geode
also I would say just straight up remove calming potion from cadence tbfh