suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

Or arbalest for darkecho, etc

[steel knoll]

The reason I liked scarf so much was because it was accessible.

[dense ferry]

Also adding items to Rev would make Malice pretty pointless, as it would be nearly worthless to do it because you already have a really solid item at your reach, so unless you're minmaxing God or a masochist looking for some pain, Malice wouldn't be used for you

[steel knoll]

Read the suggestion again Rebecca

[crude geode]

Isn't that already kinda the point of Malice already though.

[steel knoll]

I said better items not no items

[grim tusk]

And again all of the items that were made into Malice where buffed hard

To compensate

[exotic stag]

to be worth the difficulty

[tardy smelt]

@north stone specific item suggestions are not allowed

sorry.

[steel knoll]

Haven’t seen it yet.

[tardy smelt]

not sorry.

just read the damn pings already

[exotic stag]

like imagine you just get a toothpick in malice instead of like. a stick

thats basically what its like

[dense ferry]

I know, but when the item you get is already pretty fucking solid, there's no reason to get a even better version unless you are really that desperate

[steel knoll]

No new stats have been seen

[exotic stag]

new stats may not be seen. but they could be buffed stats

[dapper coral]

i dont think this qualifies as a SIS? he didnt give a name or stats or anything, he just said what kind of weapon it should be

[steel knoll]

I was using scarf as an example

Not the focus

[tardy smelt]

okay, fair

[grim tusk]

Scarf dash is longer than before
Pearl god shreds
Yermes shreds
Gael is even more ridiculous than before

[exotic stag]

i think everyone meant by sis the apollo and artemis drop type thing

[exotic stag]

didnt dune hopper get like more pierce of sumn?

or*

[grim tusk]

Many RIVs were buffed yes

[dense ferry]

That doesn't change that getting an upgraded version of an already solid item, which would definetly be the case since Calamity is much more balanced now, wouldn't matter unless you really want that

[grim tusk]

Also ES wont work on malice cuz donnor

[steel knoll]

It’s literally an item that’s in the game Rebecca being used as an example.

[exotic stag]

yeah and since CS became malice. it was removed from ES recipe because like. why would you want an item to be from a boss thats malice. basically limiting that item

[steel knoll]

A useful donor item, is a beloved donor item.

[exotic stag]

most people drop ES for valor.

[fossil finch]

And a donor item the donor wanted in hardmode

[exotic stag]

and probably not wanting it to be difficulty locked.

(I.e locked behind malice)

[grim tusk]

And possibly ornate shield

[fossil finch]

I mean they did put counter in the recipe but lol

[exotic stag]

yeah now that ornate got the dash

[exotic stag]

yeah but i mean difficulty locking as in malice locked. not really like how it was before because rev became the "natural difficulty" for calamity kinda.

[steel knoll]

A good donor item is a useful stylish and beloved by not just the devs but the players as well.

[fossil finch]

Ok and

That doesn't change anything

[grim tusk]

^

[exotic stag]

being a loved item doesnt mean its gonna be y'know. used more then others

no ones gonna be like "mm i love evasion scarf.. better use it over elysian aegis" (This is an example)

its probably gonna be vanity more then anything

(even at its stage of the game. its currently droppable easily for ornate)

(or even before 1.5 cryo lore existed)

[steel knoll]

Note that your examples are almost moon lord. And making it vanity would be not be fair to the donor.

Ornate is post cryo though

[grim tusk]

You use ES kill 2 mechs and cryo and bye ES

And keep in mind SoC is still viable at this tier

[exotic stag]

i never said make it vanity

[grim tusk]

^

[exotic stag]

i said it gets USED as vanity because its a good looking scarf.

[north stone]

Dude it isn’t specific if I didn’t provide a name or stats, I just said I wanted something similar to the optic staff from Artemis and Apollo

[steel knoll]

Ok then

[exotic stag]

lgl was referencing probably the "dropped from (boss) thing" if im understanding it correctly by their words

[grim tusk]

Prob change your sugg to craft it after exos are dead to be even more consistent with Optic and to not conflict with what demik said earlier

[exotic stag]

or y'know what we said because of leaving exo twins to last kinda

[dapper coral]

well then they're wrong lmao

[north stone]

The doc doesn’t say a suggested item can’t be suggested as dropping from a boss

[dapper coral]

personally i dont think there's much difference between drops and crafting it

the bigger issue is the drop scheme for drae/scal and how this would circumvent it

which is why people are saying that it should be craftable instead, not because the doc says drops are bad but because it circumvents that issue of drop schemes

[hollow idol]

SCal already drops things for every class

[dapper coral]

oh yeah true

but all exhumed stuff currently is mage/summoner with the exception of shcom

okay so its not drop scheme its just general theming

same difference

[runic wraith]

I'm just saying
the Add more Wulfrum content fits conveniently well with John Wulfrum

[midnight pond]

so would i post suggestions for the new progression here?

[fossil finch]

The revive literally gives you about 30% dr unless that was changed

Allow calamity to have an unnecessarily bloated config

[buoyant idol]

Good point, the config is getting big

[dapper coral]

with all due respect, the number of people who actually enjoy consumable summons is tiny in comparison to those who prefer nonconsumable or don't care either way

it would be a config that 99% of people won't use

because nonconsumable summons are objectively better for 99% of people

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, possibly I could just trash items after I summon the boss

[dapper coral]

yea

if you enjoy consumable summons then that's fine, you'll just have to figure out another way

i.e. trashing the summon and making a new one

[buoyant idol]

Well the problem is solved now so I guess the sugg is not needed

[dapper coral]

[unique reef]

yeh, i prefer non consumables

[small tusk]

just wondering before i post, is there a way to skip time pre hardmode? similar to cosmolight?

I've been looking and haven't found anything

[dapper coral]

no iirc

[small tusk]

ight

ahhh i sent early

lmao

[dapper coral]

pranked

[small tusk]

life really just wants me to wait for stuff eh

[dapper coral]

now that i think about it

why do we have slowmode in posting again

[small tusk]

idk, it doesn't seem like people generally post way too many suggs

[dapper coral]

the only thing i could think of is so that if someone posts 2 in a row, the suggs are separated out

[small tusk]

yeah

[dapper coral]

because yknow how discord makes it a new entry if its been at least 7-8 minutes since your last message

that thing

[small tusk]

oh yeah

prob that

only 2 mins left lmao

[small tusk]

any issues on the sugg lol

ofc I had to afk as soon as I was gonna write it

[hollow shell]

Huge disagree with making Cosmolight pre-HM
I feel like it feels more earned to receive it in Hardmode after you deal with the day/night cycle throughout pre-HM

But, sugg is fine

[small tusk]

ight

It's mainly the issue of waiting for skeletron, even if it's only unlocked post Hive and Perfs, once the main "Day/Night" trouble is over with, because at skeletron stage it's less progression and you're really into a more boss rush phase of pre hardmode, and having to wait an entire day every time you die just makes it seem taxing and annoying.

waiting just sucks and everyone can agree on that

[sleek wadi]

A consumable Cosmolight would be reasonable I think

[small tusk]

yeah that would work, legit just something cuz damn dying to skelly sucks lol

[unique reef]

ooooh, i want an Exo Optic staff

gimme gimme gimme

[exotic stag]

about ethereals suggestion (Dunno if this was changed or not) but doesnt skeletron have a 2 day cooldown instead? so that you cant do it exact next night?

[hollow shell]

You do need to wait for the Old Man to respawn and I do not remember if Calamity boosts his respawn rate in the same way that we boost the cultists'

[sleek wadi]

Old Man's respawn seems to be effected by configs at the very least. I did not need to wait for a retry when I died to him this run and I have NPC spawn at night with 5x rate multiple enabled

[gusty geode]

How often is it suggested that Plague Cell Canisters be made placeable?

[exotic stag]

never i think?

[gusty geode]

Would it be worth being the first to do so?
Ik we already have the full Plague furniture set but I think it'd be really cool to be able to place the Canisters themselves
Just stack them up on shelves to complete the disease lab aesthetic

[weary light]

How do y’all think about upping the amount of uelibloom ore that is spawned in the jungle. It’s so hard to find and I think it would be nice to increase the amount that is spawned

[brisk bramble]

Ueilbloom slimes exist

Just use a Zerg potion + Chaos Candle

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 10 more

#suggestions-voting message 40 more

[river glen]

mine needs 60 :[

another eye of night suggestions...

@zenith mural Nerfed Eye of Night's base damage from 35 to 28, its minion cell projectile can now only pierce enemies once instead of infinitely, no longer explodes, and it grants enemies 90 local immunity frames instead of 19. Reduced the maximum amount of cells stuck on an enemy at once from 10 to 4. Additionally, the minion can no longer deal contact damage.

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/1.5.0.002

[languid quartz]

this is already fixed lmfao

this is the second time they've suggested it

[river glen]

dosent even check...

if it was nerfed

or not

[zenith mural]

Sorry

Didn’t realize

Thanks for the info

:)

[half sage]

cryonic unlocks at the same time as tier 3 already, it needs a titanium pick to mine

[silver silo]

Bruh people really consider the tinker rework subjective

How it’s a direct improvement

[half sage]

does it mess with modded reforges in any way, like bard or druid

[simple quarry]

whats the tinker rework?

[half sage]

if so then yea I'd say it should get a toggle

[hollow shell]

@warm jetty Your title is a bit too broad, you should specify you only mean changes to vanilla mechanics

[hollow shell]

Reforges get progressively better and are half price

You're guaranteed to get the best reforge with enough tries

[warm jetty]

Changed.

[half sage]

cuz some reforge mods mess with custom prefixes and give the wrong type of prefix to the weapon

ik healer from thorium has problems with I think the first try mod

[half sage]

also, spider fangs not dropping until tier 2 means summoners would be forced to use statigel for a mech, since they don't have ore helmets yet

and forbidden fragments not dropping until tier 2 doesn't change the availability of forbidden armor, since it needs adamantite anyway

[fossil finch]

Idk man config bloat is a thing

[half sage]

it just means the premech weapons made from them are locked behind a mech now

[fossil finch]

And calamity does want you to play in a way

That's why hm is opt out and not opt in

[hollow shell]

@zenith mural May as well ping you so you can see Seth's comments

[half sage]

right shoulda done that

[zenith mural]

i did

sorry im such a dumbass

[hollow shell]

(also
"Even though cryonic bars are created at a tier 3 forge, people can just stockpile up the ore for when the second mech boss is defeated, and then skip chlorophyte."
Is that to imply that Chloro is only used for Daedalus mining?)

Wait

No, chloro is post-3mech, cryo is post-2

That seems like two unrelated statements stitched together?

[fossil finch]

It implies people choose cryo over cloro

Which the sugg's proposal doesn't solve anyways

[last mirage]

Fix the fucking game

The Devourer is the most unbalanced boss in 1.5

[hollow shell]

Pre-emptive #bugs-read-pins

[cobalt pewter]

Cryonic Bars are technically available post 2 mechs already

[hollow shell]

Ah

[cobalt pewter]

(hm forge)

[cobalt pewter]

Huh?

That is confusing lol

[torn crown]

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah cryo is post 2 mechs and chloro is post 3 mechs

Doesn't seem to have any correlation

If you want to compare to chloro, do it with hallowed

Since they're the exact same tier

[sly sable]

Yeah... I'm currently bored out of my mind spending who knows how many minutes whittling down his health in an easy, tedious battle, just to die at the end when he finally shows signs of life. It probably took me an hour to try 4 times, ignoring the tedium of jumping and holding left click

[torn crown]

Lemme guess

[sly sable]

I think a DoG with less health and more aggression would be fun, but as it is, it's tedious and boring and sucks the fun out of an otherwise fantastic mod

[torn crown]

You didn't go for the head and the tail

[sly sable]

I do constantly

[torn crown]

Damn

Weapon?

[sly sable]

I've tried Crescent Moon and Banshee Hook, up next is Galileo and Neptune's Bounty once I've crafted them

Idk if they'll fare better. I don't mind losing, my point is just that trying four times shouldn't take an hour lol. It's boring

The rest of the mod doesn't really have the problem I think

[last mirage]

I've been trying for like 3 days now

[signal edge]

Somehow the boss progression goes from bosses health increasing in increments of 100,000 and then suddenly DoG has 1,900,000 and takes 2 tiddlywinks of damage per second

[torn crown]

You mean each try takes 15 minutes?

[torn crown]

Well DoG is a worm boss, that's for one

[last mirage]

And just when it was a little hopeful they buff it beyond human comprehension

[torn crown]

Worm bosses tend to have chonkier hp

[sly sable]

I haven't timed it but it sure feels like it, and that's the estimate people were giving in the help-and-advice too

[signal edge]

even with the highest resolution at 3840x1680 the tail is only on my monitor for seconds at a time

[last mirage]

It takes 50 dmg to the body

[torn crown]

Yeah

You're supposed to hit the head/tail

[last mirage]

Its on my screen every year

[sly sable]

There's so much down time for a boss that literally ignores you have the time anyway lmao

[signal edge]

Worm bosses tend to be weak to piercing damage, thus justifying the "chunkier hp"

[torn crown]

The body is highly resistant + has an anti-piece mechanic

[signal edge]

whatever 1.5 did to DoG is a crime against humanity

[hollow shell]

(the point is that worm bosses are chonky because of their large hitboxes, with their many segments. DoG does not have that)

[signal edge]

^^^

[last mirage]

DoG is just broken

[sly sable]

I remember farming for the crescent moon pre-1.5 and it was always chonky, but I think it's either worse now or my patience has worn thin

[signal edge]

Its significantly worse

shockingly worse

[torn crown]

The body seems ok enough to hit for me so I don't have a problem on it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[glad tundra]

DoG does seem terrible now, the weapons i had post dog were doing little to no damage against the entire boss

[signal edge]

I was fighting it on death mode and got so sick of it I literally turned it off on the boss fight and it didnt fix anything

it made the boss a little slower

[last mirage]

You cheat in weapons and you smell like piss

[sly sable]

I estimate that he flies by four times every minutes or so (maybe five or six) and I'm doing maybe a percent each time, which means it takes approximately 5 years to beat him if my math is right

[signal edge]

I think either the head and tail mechanic needs to be more significant (Tail only takes 1.25x damage) or it needs a health reduction

[torn crown]

Can we stop with the exaggerations

[last mirage]

The fuck are you on

It takes 30 DMG per shot

[torn crown]

Its gonna be hard to get a good estimate of what you are all talking about if you all describe DoG'e killtime being 2928628 years

[sly sable]

The math bit was obviously a joke, but it really is my genuine suggestion that DoG gets less health or defense

[signal edge]

Are you the DoG's boyfriend or something? (just wondering why you're so vehemently defending what's agreed upon to be an unfair boss)

[last mirage]

You play on easy mode and you smell like piss

[signal edge]

29286280*

[brisk bramble]

🤨

[torn crown]

Nah but it's gonna be hard convincing others on nerfing it otherwise

(again, this is #suggestions-discussion, I'm assuming you're going to make a nerf sugg out of this)

[signal edge]

Also I dont think it needs to be nerfed but the laser grid attack is most accurately described as having your genitals crushed inside a waffle press.

[hollow shell]

Well like
I have no experience with current DoG, I have not seen any complaints about it thusfar (granted I do not look in public chats often)
and now like 5 people are saying it's absolutely awful

If anyone has a video recording of the current fight, that'd be very welcome

[torn crown]

A buncha' people out of nowhere went in here like a crusade all talking about DoG

[brisk bramble]

Bruh, like

[hollow shell]

I am a little bit sus

[sly sable]

I didn't really expect other people to be complaining, figured I'd be alone. I just think it's a boring, tedious walking simulator for 5-10 minutes before you get to try the actual battle 🤷‍♂️

[hollow shell]

but I'll assume it was just, conversational agreement that caused people to speak up

[signal edge]

I'd more readily fight 4 old dukes at once

It would probably take half as long

[hollow shell]

Thank you for more unhelpful exaggerations

[brisk bramble]

sigh

[cobalt pewter]

Just drop it

[torn crown]

I haven't gotten to DoG tier in my 1.5 run so I don't have much to add, aside from my past experiences

[brisk bramble]

This is going no where

Legit

This is going no where

[signal edge]

I apologize if its getting annoying, i'll grab a clip of the fight if I can

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[brisk bramble]

Insulting does not help

[sly sable]

I'm not really sure what was wrong with my comments, aside from being a little vague perhaps, but if the consensus is that DoG is fine as is, then I'll drop it I guess. I wasn't part of any conspiracy or anything lol, I've just been sitting here trying to stay awake while fighting DoG and thought I'd share my thoughts

[meager panther]

well idk about other classes but for rogue, the damage was very low

[signal edge]

I'm currently on mage, @last mirage is on ranged

[hollow shell]

Oh was this a multiplayer game?

[signal edge]

Yes

[hollow shell]

That

could have been a contributing factor

[signal edge]

Should have clarified that sooner ig

[hollow shell]

Quite a significant one actually

[signal edge]

my bad

[brisk bramble]

Doesnt health multiply in MP?

[signal edge]

Although i dont think the other people here are playing together

[hollow shell]

Yes but not much at all in Cal

[brisk bramble]

Hmm
I mean tbf, MP is kinda wack

[sly sable]

Nah I'm solo

[signal edge]

We awknowledge its easier then solo

hence why we play on death mode

[meager panther]

idk about how mp does it but I was in solo and the damage was still bad

[signal edge]

to try and level the playing field a bit

New observations, It doesnt display a healthbar for me (the host) until it goes to phase 2

[last mirage]

It also just becomes a head

[signal edge]

also @last mirage didnt start the recording

so a little bit longer please

we just did a whole run and none of it recorded

[sly sable]

This time I'm timing my attempt so I actually have something concrete to share, it took 4 minutes to get him to 60%. I think that's a little overkill considering nothing (that I could notice) changed during that phase, but I guess some people might not mind it......

Using Banshee Hook that is

I died at 7 minutes and 22 seconds (got critical chomped unfortunately lol), and he had approximately 32% left (didn't expect to die so I didn't catch the exact health). I think that's a lousy amount of time to spend just to get that far, but I guess it could come down to personal taste. I think it's overkill personally

Anyway those are my thoughts on it. I doubt I have any more input regarding DoG, but hopefully something changes someday bc I think DoG has a lot of wasted potential as a boss

[signal edge]

We just finished our fight

11 minutes give or take

[sly sable]

Did you win?

[signal edge]

2 people

Nope

[last mirage]

About like 5 bugs happened

[signal edge]

For a portion of the fight I become unable to damage it beside its head and its entire body randomly vanished and it was a flying head

clip incoming

gotta crop it

[hollow shell]

That's a classic DoG bug

[signal edge]

which?

[hollow shell]

Floating head

[brisk bramble]

it happens with some worm bosses

[last mirage]

So you're fucking telling me

Silly DoG bug

Good old DoG

Makes the game unplayable

Classic DoG

[sly sable]

I've literally never had that bug happen, sounds like a Multiplayer problem...

[sleek wadi]

I do wish DoG was more interesting myself. He is THE worm boss of the mod, just wish that he could live up to that reputation. I have an idea for what that would look like but the scale I'm thinking of would be too large

[signal edge]

its current scale is too large

also i'm more focused on it being playable opposed to interesting

[sleek wadi]

Adding 1 or 2 attacks would do a lot for current DoG as the issue is that it has no attack variety

[signal edge]

^^^

agreed

[sleek wadi]

My idea was more a complete and total overhaul

[sly sable]

Yeah I've also got ideas for a fun DoG battle but they deviate too much from the "big worm flies around for 10 minutes" vibe he apparently has 😏

[last mirage]

Make it fair

[sly sable]

An overhaul would be great

[signal edge]

It having more then 2 forms of attack would make the 11 minute fight a lot more appealing

[sleek wadi]

My idea was you know how he has his own dimension in lore? Let me fight it in there as a fixed enclosed arena

And really take advantage of that odd arena in its attack design

Calamity despite having what, 7 worm bosses doesn't actually have a dedicated underground worm fight and I think DoG's dimension would give the perfect excuse for that

[sly sable]

I like that idea a lot, and warping the player around is already a concept so it seems feasible to implement, even though it's obviously a big idea/change

I think you should suggest it in suggestions-posting ^^

[signal edge]

Sorry clip is taking so long

file is too large

considering its an 11 minute video

hold on

[hollow shell]

Upload to youtube unlisted

[sleek wadi]

I won't because its too large scale and DoG's dimension is already planned to be implemented as a subworld much later down the line IIRC

[last mirage]

If you don't mind me asking

[sly sable]

Oh I didn't know that. Oh well

[last mirage]

Who was the developer of the DoG?

[hollow shell]

uh

I mean its been around for like the entirety of Calamity's history so a lot of people have touched it

but primarily Fab

[sleek wadi]

Theoretically my idea could still be compatible with subworld DoG dimension, works even better actually, but being too large is still the issue

[sly sable]

IDK if this fits the lore at all but it would be neat if DoG could warp the player around (kind of like the RoD) to disorient them

[last mirage]

Uploading it to YT rn

[sly sable]

I don't remember if he's capable of moving anything but himself dimensionally though

Or maybe he could flip gravity occasionally

[sleek wadi]

Fuckery like automatically relocating the player is reserved for superbosses and "hey play the game properly pls thx die" kinda stuff, you'd have to tread real careful to make that a fun attack

[small timber]

I think a big contributor to why DoG had taken so long is because its head takes 1.1x instead of 1.25x post-Draedon Update

[hollow shell]

Gravity flipping could be acceptable with a given telegraph

But warping would be annoying

[sly sable]

I think I'd agree on the warping, yeah

[sleek wadi]

Gravity flip would be okay yeah, DoG already alters gravity in the fight

[copper turret]

The gravity flipping would seriously disorient me from the screen going upside down though

And for it to happen several times in a boss fight would just add up

[sly sable]

That's true! Flipping it upside down for a few seconds could be neat. But yeah, maybe a little too nauseating

[sleek wadi]

Making a gravity flip that doesn't flip the screen should be reasonable

[small timber]

They can give DoG a long-range lunge or "skydive" attack (Desert Scourge lunge but from up to down), since DoG's charge attack is no longer limited with Death Mode no longer insta kill

[sly sable]

I think that would be a cool reference to Desert Scourge while also offering some much needed variety

[small timber]

mainly that the fight have too much "idle time", where you chase after it to hit its head but it just run away instead

I cant find a second example of a boss that have so much "idle time" where the boss is just not doing anything but run

[sleek wadi]

DoG's issue is that he just doesn't DO anything. He flies around, shoots a single fire ball every 4 or so seconds, and becomes an actual threat every 15

He needs more attacks so the fight doesn't feel like a cutscene

[sly sable]

Yeah, he didn't even used to do the fireball pre-1.5 either I think lol

[sleek wadi]

Fireball has been around for a while but it still doesn't do much

[small timber]

just personally I think he should have charge more often, his identity had been changing from charging with heads to super projectile based (laser wall included), a rework towards a charge-oriented DoG will be appreciated

[sly sable]

I'm used to sitting around for so long that it usually hits me if i stop paying attention 😏

[sly sable]

Oh really? I had no idea. I don't remember it at all tbh

[small timber]

while all his projectile are supposed to "distract" you, and his "passive phase" are used to reposition for a charge/lunge instead of totally passive

[last mirage]

@hollow shell

https://youtu.be/5RfEdRR2j5g

[signal edge]

Nice name

[sly sable]

This is great. It reminds me of what I said earlier, that DoG would actually be a really cool boss if it was more aggressive (and preferably less HP)

I actually humored the idea of him being a glass cannon of sorts, really aggressive and strong but relatively small HP, it would suit his confidence, but IDK if people would like that

[small timber]

I think it probably don't need less hp if it changed behaviour to charge oriented, since you get the opportunity to hit the head way more often instead of trying to chase after it (when it runs away)

[sly sable]

Ah that's true

[signal edge]

Also quick side note, apologies if @last mirage and I came off as a little toxic. We’ve played the mod to death and it almost feels unfair that it isn’t something you have to pay for.

Love the mod

DoG, not so much

[small timber]

if you have the time, can you make a clip of trying to fight it in a preferably high/sky arena? since others will try to critize you for "fighting it in a small arena" and on-ground too which makes DoG's head dig into the ground for 50% of the fight, given if you and your friend have the time of course

[signal edge]

I’ve already gotten off for the night

And tomorrows a holiday

Soonest is Friday

[small timber]

ya then it is fine, I think the clip prove some point since not everyone should use the same strategy to beat the boss

[hollow shell]

(not sure of Monsoon is the best choice for DoG, esp with all those bodyshots)

But, yeah I can see that it's generally really slow

[signal edge]

I was also using dark spark

Even with subpar weapons, that’s a crawl with 2 players present

[small timber]

dark spark is probably also not good from experience, DoG body takes so little damage that rather than piercing I actually prefer high damage, non-piercing weapon

although its body DR was 97.5% but now is 92.5%

[sly sable]

As far as I could tell in my 7 minutes attempt that got him to 30%, Banshee Hook worked pretty well. The more I think about it, the more I feel as though it's not the HP or the Defense I have a problem with necessarily but rather the fight itself. I literally got chomped twice purely because I couldn't focus bc so little was going on for 5+ minutes

So yeah, I'll go back on my initial suggestion. He doesn't necessarily need less defense or even health, but just some variety in attacks like others were saying

[small timber]

ya, if he is designed for you to hit his head to balance out the fact that he have super chonky hp (and high DR body), then he should put his head in the screen more often, preferably when using an attack, instead of trying to run away constantly

idle time issue too, phase switch is faster in higher difficulty but at base it is 15 second of literally doing nothing, not a single other boss generally give you more than 5 sec of idle time

[sly sable]

Right, maybe he could circle around you within attacking range now and then, with some sort of attack to dodge like a barrage of lasers while you're in that circle, just something to give more opportunities to attack really

We already know that DoG can lend some of its power to other beings (the sentinels) so maybe he could do so during the battle to spawn a weaker version of one of the sentinels (at the cost of 5% of his health, maybe) as his minion?

[small timber]

it will not make sense whatsover, DoG is not a minon/mob based fight, in fact no boss in the mod is other than King Slime

especially one at the cost of his own health

[sly sable]

The idea was that lending them his power would equate to losing a little health during the battle. Maybe minion was the wrong word, but something a la Providence is what I'm talking about I guess

[small timber]

it is probably better just to improve how DoG behave himself rather than adding things, at least to my opinion

[sly sable]

There's plenty of bosses that summon helpers. Even DoG does it

[sly sable]

Ultimately I think I agree with this though

[sleek wadi]

Just give DoG an attack inspired by each of the sentinels

[small timber]

none of them are "minion based" though, 90% of Providence is still projectile dodging for example

[sleek wadi]

DoG needs like, 1 or 2 more attacks to be more engaging

[sly sable]

Hm... like I said, DoG lorewise is the closest boss to literally having minions roaming around (the sentinels) so I don't think it's strange at all, but I can see where you're coming from

Closest aside from King Slime oc like you said

[small timber]

basically it comes down to this: would you like a DoG that summon minion constantly as one of its main gimmic or a sonic-speed charging worm that warped space and time to attack you

[sleek wadi]

CalClone is closest to being the Summoner Boss so to speak, or at least was

[sly sable]

Oh I assumed it would happen at fixed moments in the battle

[sleek wadi]

In the concept art for the upcoming resprite, calclone even has puppeteering strings suggesting its supposed to be minion reliant

[sly sable]

Which, his battle already pauses for a few minutes for a boring boss rush in the middle, so why not lol

Like at 70% Ceaseless Void is invoked and fights with (not instead of) DoG , lowering DoG's health to 65% (or 67%, it doesn't really matter)

He already has little worms accompanying him so I don't think it's strange, but I understand why it could be a cop-out

[small timber]

if they are doing it like that I think actively reducing DoG's own health will be pointless (eg: "why does he lose so much health suddenly"), rather than just reducing DoG's max hp to account for the amount loss

[sly sable]

More variety in the DoG's attacks would probably be better, inspired by the Sentinels like Spark said

[sly sable]

I agree with that, hadn't considered it

Maybe "lending them his power" in practice would equate to him just, idk, flying around a little slower while a sentinel is active

[grim tusk]

@stray folio new bosses are a dont

[half sage]

new boss falls under high effort, a don't

so this should be an ❗

[gray nebula]

[small timber]

a "combined boss battle" tend to have a lot of limitation that it will be more interesting juts let them go solo, an example is Exo-Mech, 3 bosses carrying out an onslaught just end up them being like 50% slower than when they are solo

[sly sable]

I can see how that would detract from DoG as an iconic powerhouse boss

Well, I'd be happy if he gets a more interesting set of attacks someday in any case

[sleek wadi]

With DoG actually plays, it doesn't feel like he's powerhouse. His fight flow feels like it should be for a stealth hunter

[sly sable]

Right, the battle itself clashes with what it wants to be I feel, the battle itself is slow and monotonous

[small timber]

I probably will make a suggestion in the future to address DoG having too long idle time and generally "not engaging" is the right word? After the suggestion spree dies down slightly

[sleek wadi]

Lots of downtime with bursts of action doesn't give me the impression of an overpowering force but rather something careful and calculating, waiting for your guard to be down

[small timber]

although in DoG's case it is that he literally interrupt himself from his own attack to go idle, not good

[sleek wadi]

And DoG is literally the opposite of a good hunter, he was about to starve because he got too predictable in lore

[sly sable]

Yeah, Storm Weaver was even more aggressive than DoG. Made me jump in my seat the first time he lunged at me lol. DoG never does anything exciting like that really

The "lunges" DoG does even have idle time while you wait for him to warp, like every other attack lol

They're obviously very different battles but I wish DoG had the aggressiveness/spirit of Storm Weaver actually......

But more fleshed out obviously

[half sage]

A: formatting
B: isn't really something the main team should be focusing on
C: new class falls under high effort don't
D: clicker class is open source iirc, and someone already has a calamity clicker addon in the works iirc

@zealous bramble

[zealous bramble]

Ok

[silver silo]

pet the goode boye

[hollow shell]

"Draedon's machines now have way more HP than SCal herself!"

Not sure how apt this comparison is

considering SCal spends a lot of the fight invulnerable

[copper turret]

might have not been the right comparison but still

there isnt a lot to compare it to

[hollow shell]

But, I suppose a lot of the mech fight has you only fighting a select amount of them

at a time

which is comparable to invulnerability for the ones not there

[grim tusk]

Testers arent done balancing mid-late hardmore right?

Stealth feels very underwhelming there outside of few cases

Fetched my rant from monday late night on nohit server:

So tip: Use Mech tier stuff vs Aureus/Levi, most of the Post-Plant/Clone Stealth strikes are dogshit
The only "decent" ones are Frostcrunch (mostly due to glacial state lmao, in dps Blazing star is better despite being pre-mechs), Terra disk, Fantasy talismans, and Sandslasher but they are mostly on par with mech tier stuff, heck some pre-mechs stuff is better such as burning strife and theres some busted mech tier stuff such as frequency manipulator
Totality breakers are barely an upgrade for Descerated water
The only one that feels like a step up from mech tier is duststorm
Sticky spikeballs did 1k dps (which is better than some post plant/Clone weps btw) to fucking Malice Death Aureus with the help of some armor penetration, these need a nerf lmao

So should i ask for a buff for post-Cal/Plant gear or sugg something else?

[dapper coral]

oh stealth

hi thats me

so yeah i basically got through one round of hm stealth balancing before the update dropped

it's miles better than it used to be but most everything late hm is still ass

it'll be done eventually so i wouldn't worry about a sugg for it

xyk is doing prehm stealth and i will do hm stealth again at some point

@grim tusk

[small timber]

I think if you are suggesting a significant nerf to bosses (especially Draedon which is a new boss), you should specify what difficulties it is referring to, Normal/Expert or Rev+, since generally a very often used counter argument (especially Death Mode) is that bosses are supposed to be extremely hard

[grim tusk]

So that why stealth feels so busted on pre-hm alr thanks and good luck

[dapper coral]

yeah it turns out hm stealth was dog and prehm stealth was god

who'da thunk it

(for the record, nobody tested prehm stealth before release, it was just an entity lmao)

[grim tusk]

Oh that explains

Guess I’ll try to enjoy eradicator on pre-hm (aka tracking disk) while it lasts

True melee feels nuts rn

But makes sense considering how risky it is

[sleek wadi]

True melee's power feels justified now, just wish one of its accessories was made easier to obtain

[crude bone]

Thoughts on an upgraded accessory combining mana polarizer and permafrost's concoction?

[copper turret]

fixed it - my suggestion is more based around the extreme pace of the fight rather than the difficulty

[small timber]

just for reference what difficulty you are playing on/generally playing?

[grim tusk]

If only mana polarizer wasnt expert locked

[grim tusk]

Death

[copper turret]

usually rev

[small timber]

because if you include Death Mode it is very unlikely to get accepted by devs

[crude bone]

oh true

[small timber]

I think your suggestion can be based around Normal, Expert + Rev, just say that Draedon in its current states feels too much like a Death Mode battle with overexagerrating rate of fire and difficulty, while Rev is usually reserved for more casual/reasonable challenge

[copper turret]

sure, thanks!

[small timber]

because I dont see them nerfing Death Mode Draedon when there are people beating it (no-hit even), making it that way is more likely to be accepted

[grim tusk]

For an exo mechs nerf the only thing i would agree is making exo twins hit less hard and be more tame when they’re the only ones left. The rest of the fight is fine

[copper turret]

@hardy bough There's an easy solution to the projectiles - fight it at night
I do agree, projectiles gotta become easier to see but nighttime will work until it gets fixed

[hardy bough]

Thanks for the tip, Preciate it

[sleek wadi]

I think a neat way to make the projectiles more visible is to have them be purple instead of blue to tie in with cryonic

[small timber]

or make them shiny in day considering it is ice shard literally, so it should reflect light to some degree

[sleek wadi]

Cryogen's visibility has been getting better at the very least, he used to summon a blizzard in previous versions lul

[copper turret]

Cryonic is blue with crystals sprouting out of it, so another solution would be to add pink or purple crystals to the shards

[quiet kernel]

Well they have concept art for a resprite of cryogen so with that they could change it

[cobalt pewter]

@hardy bough omniscience potion is an option too

[hollow shell]

Yeah, one of the few bosses Omniscience will probably actually increase visibility with

cuz it tints projs brown

[hardy bough]

imma be honest, maybe Im just not good at bullet hell but having the bullets be green instead of blue aint helpin me much

[crude bone]

As a good friend once said to me "Hit more, get hit less"

[hardy bough]

Im gonna reach through this screen and skin you alive you say some shit like that again

[crude bone]

I had that same type of reaction

[cobalt pewter]

I think on cryo projectiles the highlight blinks?

Not sure

[hollow shell]

Damn it I should have read that Eidolon Tablet sugg more closely

"Eidolists no longer spawn in the Dungeon, and no longer drop the Blue Cultist outfit. Now that they no longer have any connection to the Blue Cultists, it doesn't make much sense for them to drop the item that spawns the Blue Cultist boss."

They still very much are that transitional phase spoken about

The robe removal was just to prevent inventory clutter I assume

unless the lore changed and I am not aware??

[frail mantle]

Mrrp talked about their lore in test hq some days ago I think

[hollow shell]

Looking at that now yeah

[steel minnow]

WHAT

THERE'S HALLOWED ORE NOW?!

Wait, this is the wrong chat, lol

[crude bone]

lmao

[weary light]

they dont drop much tho

[brisk bramble]

then zerg em

[tardy smelt]

it sure is sugg floodwave season

20 suggs in #suggestions-posting at the same time

[brisk bramble]

[glossy stone]

#suggestions-voting has a lot of suggs too

tfw your sugg gets flooded

[half sage]

[tardy smelt]

good thing my last suggestion already got through :3

[silver silo]

I was thinking about suggesting a new drop for DoG like pieces of its armor to function as the ''ore'' for cosmilite bars since every other bar in the game right now doesn't drop directly from bosses without needing to be smelted or crafted first, so I was wondering if something like that is a don't or if it's a valid suggestion

(also doesn't really make sense why he drops bars of the stuff, is he just carrying it around on him?)

[fossil finch]

that'd be kinda annoying though

i'd rather just let it be until dog dimension is real and cosmilite is moved there
if that's happening anyway
You could also just argue draedon is so fucking GOD at armors armor pieces just turn into ingots for reuse automatically

[tardy smelt]

#lore-discussion moment

[fossil finch]

lore discussion moment indeed

[frozen hornet]

Or replace bars with cosmilite armor platings or smth, like PBG's platings

[silver silo]

I mean thats literally what my suggestion was, just also keeping the bars as the crafting material

you cant exactly make stuff out of the platings alone

[frozen hornet]

out with the bars tbh

[silver silo]

melting it down and making bars is just...how tools work

[frozen hornet]

ye that's fine ig

Someone's gonna argue material bloat or smth

[silver silo]

define annoying, all you're doing is crafting once

I mean

[frozen hornet]

Luminite already does that too

[silver silo]

that logic could be applied to hallowed ore as well

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[silver silo]

why have luminite or hallowed ore

well since we already have them

why not cosmilite

[small timber]

luminite make some sense because on first kill you never have enough for full set, hallowed is probably just for hardmode progression adjustment and the lack of ore in hallow

[silver silo]

true, and I do definitely appreciate hallowed ore

I guess my main reasons for cosmilite plating is just...fits better with the rest and logically makes more sense

[small timber]

in the current interpretation the only use for cosmilite ore is just for it to make sense lore-wise, so definitely not a priority, since in practice it just ... you craft it into cosmilite bar

[silver silo]

[small timber]

unless they change the crafting recipe then dropping ore/plating will make a lot of sense

[earnest raptor]

hallowed ore is just avalon reference

[silver silo]

also correct me if I'm wrong but all bricks in terraria are made with ore + stone, except cosmilite because again, theres only bars

again just...make it plating + stone

[half sage]

imo making dog drop a new material just for said material's sole purpose to be crafting cosmilite bars is just adding an unnecessary crafting step, and yea luminite does it but just because luminite does it doesn't mean that isn't unnecessary either

[silver silo]

...you can build with it? I guess???

[earnest raptor]

maybe if cosmilite bars would be able to decomposed and then crafted back for more resources?

like you get cosmilite dust

[gray nebula]

what

[earnest raptor]

then combine one dust, exodium, astral, iron and hm ore in furnace to get 2 ingots

[gray nebula]

Minecraft ore duplication

[frozen hornet]

bit much tbh

[silver silo]

come to think of it if we're gonna talk about materials existing to make another material

exo prism

exists for miracle matter

[frozen hornet]

True...

[silver silo]

iban pls

[gray nebula]

and shadowspec lol

[silver silo]

I beg

[gray nebula]

:bokay:

[frozen hornet]

Wait do scal's ashes craft into anything else

[earnest raptor]

I mean, why we can craft exo weapons, but not more cosmilite bars?

[silver silo]

honestly just make an item thats just a chunk of his new armor and let us melt that down

[frozen hornet]

aside from chadspec

[earnest raptor]

it's not like draedon didn't record how he made them

[silver silo]

scal's ashes look cool and thats what matters

[frozen hornet]

exo prism looks cooler

[silver silo]

debatable

[small timber]

the only thing is that if it drops ore/plating, the bar recipe need to be NOT just the ore, so something else

and it cannot be the moon event energies because it is used for ascendent spirit essence

[silver silo]

wouldn't be unusual considering auric bars are made with more than the ores right

[frozen hornet]

maybe have smth in the pocket dimension that you have to harvest to craft cosmilite

[silver silo]

uhh is there any material thats dropped around DoG tier

[fossil finch]

not completely because the ore isn't a direct drop and the hallowed bars are only dropped after it spawns i think

[frozen hornet]

ASE

[fossil finch]

the absolute state of calamity

[small timber]

i mean a new dimension is still a far talk for calamity, considering the priority

[silver silo]

yeah hallowed ore is definitely less of an example

[fossil finch]

anyways yeah but like
i'd rather just wait for that to happen that add unneeded material bloat

[silver silo]

I really don't think we should rely on a possibility for something that takes a lot of effort but thats just me

[fossil finch]

absolute state of ecto blood

[earnest raptor]

current lore says than DoG's armor is not an ore

[cobalt pewter]

DoG keeps cosmilite in his belly

There

[silver silo]

literally just tear it from dog's body he's wearing the stuff

[half sage]

"what is my purpose"
"you craft ectoplasm"
"oh my god"

[silver silo]

[fossil finch]

#calamity-update-talk message calamity

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah ectoblood is kinda dumb iirc

Not sure why they haven't shafted it

[small timber]

ecto blood is basically "yo if we just increase ecotoplasm drop rate it would be op, lets improve it by a fraction instead"

[fossil finch]

#calamity-update-talk message The Absolute

[silver silo]

but....my suggestion...

😭

[earnest raptor]

so what DoG will drop?

just his echy weapons?

[fossil finch]

i mean obviously he'd still unlock cosmilite

just would be obtained differently

[frozen hornet]

DoG unlocks his dimension where you can get it (true and real)

[half sage]

calamity subworld in 3045 (real)

[silver silo]

what happens to his armor, does it just cease to exist when he dies

[earnest raptor]

ah yes

[silver silo]

[frozen hornet]

I do hope it isn't just mine for a bit then smelt into bars

[earnest raptor]

calamity adds a way to "Game ran out of memory."

[half sage]

well eventually he's gonna have auric on his armor too

[silver silo]

just a tad

[half sage]

smh he should unlock auric too

[silver silo]

well AKSHUALLY auric is made using yharon soul so you can't

[frozen hornet]

Just make it regular gold

[silver silo]

even if you had auric ore from his armor

[frozen hornet]

then you can give a reason why silva armor requires gold bars

[small timber]

i thought yharim will be changed closer to "exo armor" after draedon is introduced

[half sage]

just let dog be naked for the whole fight

[fossil finch]

part 1 will be naked in the future

[half sage]

yea

[earnest raptor]

armored dog: post-supreme exo auric mutantomination "Hellion"

[hollow shell]

(I shoulda mentioned this when it was posted but @cobalt pewter I would greatly prefer that we added the shards to the drop pools of more enemies, rather than going with the option that requires 0 effort on the players part, NPC selling.)

(GSS could drop a bunch of them, would be good for catch-up)

(But that is my opinion)

[cobalt pewter]

That works just as well, as long as the most annoying parts are not into the equation: needing to make both hallowed and evil deserts

I can edit it rq

GSS sounds fine enough to me

[hollow shell]

byeah the shards definitely could use some other method, they are really annoying to get cuz of the biome aspect

[cobalt pewter]

Should be edited now

[hollow shell]

Thanks for humoring me Feed 👍

[cobalt pewter]

[loud cloak]

the suggestion bot is only for this server right

[weary plaza]

yea

well like

ofc u cant use it from other servers

but i mean if ur talking about

suggestions related to the server

its for suggestions related to calamity mod

not the server

[ashen warren]

No it's for both

[weary plaza]

oh ok

[ashen warren]

And it's a custom bot so you can only use it here

[cobalt pewter]

I wanted to sugg something about Gravistar Sabaton

But I might need to wait for one of my suggs to go through

TL;DR it still sucks for mobility

It's heavily limited, takes an acc slot, doesn't behave like proper boots

And oreos expert drop

Meanwhile Slimy Saddle:

[hollow shell]

Do you think it would be better if it had running capability, so it served as an alternative to Angel Treads?

[steel minnow]

Hey Rover, can new items be suggested?

[hollow shell]

It depends on how you suggest them

[grim tusk]

Actually you could sugg an upgrade for polarizer. As rotten brain, amalgam, VoE and astral arcanum exist and all all expert+

[steel minnow]

What about... "plants" ?

[cobalt pewter]

It's a step, but imo giving it cooldown is one of its bigger weaknesses too

[hollow shell]

You cannot write out a full item idea that you came up with, giving it a name and stats and recipe and whatnot

But you can suggest that an item get added to fulfill a certain purpose

[grim tusk]

You’ve got a better chance on vanities mod, especially if its only cosmetic

[grim tusk]

Ye, the cooldown on that sucks

[hollow shell]

Do you think Calamity should add its own herb type?

[grim tusk]

Could be a neat idea

[tardy smelt]

more potion grind yeah

[steel minnow]

I was thinking of natural seaweed, or even seaweed that can be harvested.

Is that cosmetic?

[echo vine]

there ain'

t any right now

[torn crown]

Farmable blood orb

[echo vine]

could be neat

[torn crown]

[hollow shell]

If it can be harvested and crafted into stuff, nah that ain't cosmetic

[echo vine]

probably abyss related

[hollow shell]

(though Thorium's herb is quite similar to that)

[tardy smelt]

Or maybe Astral?

perhaps it could be used to liven up UG astral

[hollow shell]

There's an option, yeah.

[hollow shell]

Perhaps the fast-drop should be able to be performed at any time (or just a much shorter internal cooldown), and it's the explosion that has the long cooldown?

[grim tusk]

Good idea

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[grim tusk]

Maybe even giving it a fall speed increase by default

[tardy smelt]

is the explosion any good btw?

[steel minnow]

Then it is allowed for suggestion...?
Or does it seem redundant having other mods?

[hollow shell]

You can suggest it if you want

[grim tusk]

Just make sure the way you suggest aint too specific

[small timber]

but first what is the purpose of the plant you are trying to suggest want to achieve? cosmetic or actual use in the game?

[tardy smelt]

^

[tardy smelt]

gameplay value™️

[steel minnow]

I mean, it's seaweed, who doesn't want to swim among seaweed when you descend into the ocean, lol

[hollow shell]

Well there are uh
Viper Vines growin in the Abyss

I spose that's not like real/Minecraft seaweed though which grows upward toward the ocean surface

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[grim tusk]

Maybe an herb on astral would be better

Abyss has planty mush

[fossil finch]

tenebris herb (Real

[steel minnow]

There is natural growing seaweed in underground sand blocks in Terraria vanilla 1.4, along with the ocean caves, which I really don't know if there will come a point where their generation will interfere with Calamity biomes.

[hollow shell]

We'll deal with that when we get there, lol

[tardy smelt]

^

e.g. when tmod 1.4 has a stable release

[grim tusk]

The vanilla seaweed is only used for decoration purposes (and cant be picked up) and the lime kelp is used for lime dye

[half sage]

abyss and sulphurous already completely overlap vanilla oceans so they shouldn't be too much of an issue

[fossil finch]

vanilla caves kinda ufcky anyways

and yeah that

[hollow shell]

(If Journey's End already has seaweed then you could wait until tModLoader and Calamity port over to 1.4)

(which will be in like 2 years at this point, tMod development has been slow)

[steel minnow]

So something like the fiber rope thing for natural seaweed or stuff like that should it be suggested when the time comes?, lol

[grim tusk]

Yes

[tardy smelt]

tbh if I were to sugg a herb for astral I'd make it something that'd spice up exploring underground astral

[hollow shell]

If you do really want it now for aesthetic purposes then you could suggest it here

(or to Cal Vanities. Though I do not know what their policy on generation stuff like that is)

[hollow shell]

We do have plans for the Underground Astral already, but an herb would still be a good idea for there

[tardy smelt]

yeah

I'll think about it a bit, maybe...

and then see how that can be reformatted into a proper suggestion

[steel minnow]

Cal Vanities is another mod or something?
I'm somewhat lost with this, lmao

[tardy smelt]

yeah it is

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message checked my astral underground sugg and damn, this is the sugg i made with the most votes

[small timber]

how hard is it to make astral underground useful? don't know how the world gen works since it is generated after start of Hardmode by overriding part of the ground

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message and beats the sugg that makes it ☑️

[grim tusk]

It should be kinda easy with how it generates

[steel minnow]

What is "ufcky"? o.o

[grim tusk]

fucky but grammar

[tardy smelt]

flawless weaslecake spelling

[small timber]

astral underground draedon lab

[tardy smelt]

:3

[steel minnow]

Strangely I have never seen anyone use the Underground Astral Biome for anything.

[small timber]

@steel minnow currently still underveloped, only for fishing I think

[steel minnow]

Oh then, that explain a lot

[small timber]

wait astral underground is actually huge, never dig down

[tardy smelt]

yeah

Astral Underground is quite massive

[grim tusk]

Yea thats the only thing that would not work

[steel minnow]

Lmfao xD

[small timber]

ya not sure how the world gen works on posting structure like that, just an idea though

[tardy smelt]

actually I think its the largest biome in the mod

[grim tusk]

Abyss wins by a lot

[steel minnow]

Bigger than Abyss?

[tardy smelt]

Abyss is very narrow though

whereas Astral Underground is a tad broader

and it still reaches really deep afaik

[hollow shell]

Abyss is functionally even narrower considering mining its blocks takes a long time and you aren't encouraged to do so
unlike Astral which is just another underground, which you can mine through at will, meaning its edges are more uhh
"accurate"? "useful"?

[tardy smelt]

yeah

I think you could say they're less so boundaries for you to stay within but moreso just the place where it transits into bordering biomes

[fossil finch]

i think ug astral could use being genned completely different from normal ug

like just straight up replacing the thing under instead of tainting it

that'd make it destroy stuff though

[tardy smelt]

yeah but what if the player made stuff under there

that'd be a problem since it'd be * poof * gone

or, alternatively, players can prevent the biome from spawning by purposely building in the area where it'll gen

that's really the issue with hardmode biomes

that's also why hallow and ug crimson just convert existing worldgen into their respective biome

and why the Lihzard temple is literally locked off until post-Plantera

[steel minnow]

I can not think of any figure for the Astral underground but considering that it is an "alien" biome it can be interesting

[small timber]

just an idea, what if the area of astral injection is pre-generated on world creation (something like an indestructable structure) at the area and when hardmode starts it override said area

[steel minnow]

I think that would take the surprise away from the meteor

[tardy smelt]

you'd lock off 10% off the map for the first 40% of the game as well

its what sunken sea does

but sunken sea gets unlocked quintessentially at the start of the game

[small timber]

hmm ya I forget how deep astral underground actually goes, probably a bit too limiting

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[steel minnow]

I was thinking about the meteor falling when you defeated Moon Lord or something, since it's an alien-spacey biome, but it seems that it is only when defeating WoF

[tardy smelt]

gameplay™️

not everything has to be connected to lore

especially not in a game like terraria

[small timber]

i mean wall of flesh already release the spirit of ancient light and dark for some reason so trying to make sense of it is probably unnecessary

[tardy smelt]

terraria lore is an utter mess

don't waste your time trying to understand it

[small timber]

also is there any on-ground draedon lab? (except space)? since in that way astral lab can juts be on ground

[tardy smelt]

technically, yeah it could

[small timber]

it is the closest site to the meteor anyway so on ground make sense even lore wise

[tardy smelt]

but it'd be freaking easy to find

and that'd be too high-effort/specific

[small timber]

that's the point, it is designed to be found

ya definitely not fit for suggestion

[tardy smelt]

yepp

y'all are probably best off letting the devs thonk over this astral worldgen stuff when the time comes to do so

they're experienced in modding this kind of game

they probably know what to do

[small timber]

soon ™

[tardy smelt]

soon™️

anyway,

herb.

[steel minnow]

anyway,

WEED.

[tardy smelt]

🪴

[small timber]

ah fuck not the alien weeds

[tardy smelt]

so, consider the following:

[half sage]

Allow the player to toggle the crate boost from the supreme fishing station

The supreme fishing station gives the player several useful fishing buffs, including +80 fishing power, permanent sonar potion, and the effects of the angler tackle bag. But one feature of the accessory can be detrimental to the player depending on what they are trying to fish up. The accessory also gives an increased chance of finding crates, which is good if the player wants to find crates, but if the player is trying to fish up something else it can get in the way of what they’re actually searching for. Allowing the player to toggle the crate boost (presumably by toggling visibility) allows the player to get crates faster when searching for crates while not having crates get in the way when they aren’t searching for crates.

Thoughts on this suggestion? came to my mind while fishing for chaos fish cuz I hadn't updated yet and the sonar potion showed like 5 crates in a row

[small timber]

they don't like config bloats I think, so gonna be hard, visibility somewhat ok I guess?

[half sage]

I don't mean a config, something like how dashes used to be toggled by visibility

[tardy smelt]

it'll be a while before the devs actually start to address issues with the biomes calams adds... such as UG Astral...

So on top of suggesting a new herb for this biome to make it a little less barren, the suggestion could also include how this herb could make exploring the biome more unique in the time between implementing it and the biome rework

[small timber]

although isnt there a calamity accessory that increase fishing chance for crafting material fish?

[tardy smelt]

...such as by providing a unique hazard

[small timber]

hard to think of a plant that grows on alien virus infected stones

[tardy smelt]

don't need to

the devs can figure that out for themselves

[small timber]

ya probably, just addressing the suggestion above (at least the want-to suggestion)

[half sage]

alluring bait yea, but that doesn't cover all the non crate fishing stuff, tho come to think of it potions being buyable and no more chaos fish to craft ROD cuts out a good amount of non crate fishing

[tardy smelt]

just something off the top of my head: the herbs glow up and have a large circular spacey aura surrounding them (think of like~ larger than wulfrum pylon in terms of range)

[small timber]

ya what non-ingredient fish is even useful, bloodfin only?

and that is limited to brimstone crag anyway so you keep fishing it up

[tardy smelt]

and if you get inside you're inflicted by a DoT debuff (maybe just astral infection)

so the challenge emerges that you have to find the most efficient way to the herbs to prevent taking too much damage from the DoT

[steel minnow]

Vines in Warped Forest from Minecraft are fantastic

For an example

lol

[tardy smelt]

while dealing with enemies, water, etc.

[small timber]

tbh cosmetic staffs like these are probably best suggested post 1.4 port, considering the amount of cosmetic stuff that patch added (winds, vines on ground etc)

[steel minnow]

True

[tardy smelt]

then implementing these herbs into the recipe's of a variety of astral-related items, herbs etc could give the player an incentive to actually explore the biome

[steel minnow]

But that's gonna be in 2 or 3 years lmao

[tardy smelt]

maybe they can replace the fish in Grav Norm potion's recipe

for example

[small timber]

for now if it is to not be cosmetic, then ya a herb for astral-related items and maybe potions make the most sense

[steel minnow]

Anyone have an idea what can be done with seaweed / kelp in addition to being used as rope?

Clothing?, idk if that makes sense lol
Maybe something like that with 1 or 2 of defense

[small timber]

dye, but it will be kinda pointless when woods armors provide same defense

unless you make it sunken sea related, but sunken sea already have enough stuffs

[steel minnow]

It would be nice if it is for the Sunken Sea now that you mention it, considering that it is calmer

[small timber]

unless you decided that calamity really need to add sushi

[steel minnow]

Ohh

Omg

[tender depot]

isn't seafood just sushi, though you can't eat them

[steel minnow]

Makes me want to suggest that now

[small timber]

you need to give it a function (preferably even unique such as combat buffs) for it to be worth though, and even then it can very quickly become high-effort suggestion

because "please give me sushi" do not make a good reasoning

[tardy smelt]

cosmetic == boring

I demand gameplay value

medium rare, preferrably

but like

this wouldn't be THAT huge or THAT high effort

[small timber]

mainly sprites

[tardy smelt]

but it'd make a good fill-in for the UG astral while its waiting to get its rework

[tardy smelt]

VFX actually

for the uhh

debuff field thingy

the sprites should be cake considering herbs are tiny

and so are their sprites

@queen jungle I think that belongs in #bugs-read-pins

since that doesn't seem intended in the slightest sense

[queen jungle]

ah alright

understood

[tardy smelt]

ok lemme um

collect all that I said about this hypothetical astral herb rq and snowball it into a passable sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Cont. "Gravistar Sabaton still sucks"

Giving it a stat similar to other boots would be nice, would be an interesting sidegrade to Angel Treads for example. And maybe making the explosion proc off platforms as well instead of just solid tiles would be really good.

And instead of the fall speed being on cooldown, I feel like only the explosion should have a cooldown. By that I mean, Slimy Saddle exists and unless Cal wants to nerf that mount, Sabaton must not have its fall speed cooldown anymore to compete at all. It takes an important slot to the player's equipment, while mount slot is what fucking ever.

[deft yew]

If you’re gonna add an astral herb, why not consider a hallowed herb while you’re at it?

[tardy smelt]

one thing at a time

[deft yew]

fair enough lo

[deft yew]

Most of the Cal boss expert drops still suck

[torn crown]

This has been raised quite a lot of times and for most of the cases the counter-argument to it is that it's an expert drop

[cobalt pewter]

How is that a argument, let alone a counterargument at all

[deft yew]

sounds like an awful counter-argument

[cobalt pewter]

[torn crown]

Many people feel gated over it I'd assume, but yeah I agree of it's absurdity given that it's just expert

listen I wasn't in the chat when those discussions took place

[tardy smelt]

Add an Astral Underground-Exclusive Herb
Currently, the Astral Underground has very little content to offer, and there's very few incentives to visit it at all. While the biome in its current state is bound to get reworked, it may be a long time before that actually happens and in the meantime the astral UG will stay in the same forgettable state as it currently is in.

A short-term, easy-to-implement solution could be to add a herb exclusively to the underground portion of the Astral Infection, and then incorporate it in various astral infection-themed crafting recipes. As expected, this would give the player a clear reason to venture into this biome.
However, giving this herb unique gameplay interactions could also make exploring this biome a more unique and engaging experience, while still providing an easy-to-implement placeholder solution while the rework is underway.

Perhaps turning the herb into some form of player hazard while still keeping it as a material source could be a way to go about it. Such a thing could make the Astral Underground a more unique explorative experience without too much development effort while the full biome rework is still underway

uhh

[cobalt pewter]

Who realistically play normal nowadays

[tardy smelt]

am I missing something

[cobalt pewter]

Everyone who has played Terraria for at least 1 proper pt will immediately ditch normal for expert in normal cases

[tardy smelt]

how's dis

[torn crown]

Looks SIS-y to me

Maybe just say that it's a herb/material found in the UG astral + give the applications

[cobalt pewter]

It's not even a "normal" mode anymore, it feels more like a "legacy" mode, also why Re-Logic renamed the mode to "classic" mode

[tardy smelt]

yeah I wanna work on the formulation

[tardy smelt]

its really not about the hazard example I gave

its more about pointing out that this can be an opportunity to give the biome an extra gameplay mechanic

[torn crown]

Sounds like a deathmode environmental mechanic to me

[tardy smelt]

[cobalt pewter]

....what is this sugg

[torn crown]

Looks more of a meta-leaning sugg than anything, if seen in retrospect

[tardy smelt]

meta?

[signal edge]

[torn crown]

People would just go to hell for an easy kill

There's really no trade-off

[tardy smelt]

I'm very confused by what you mean by this

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow oriole easily abusable and the sugg doesn't have any real reason aside from being cool

not sorry for the pun

[hollow oriole]

Mhm fair

[torn crown]

^

You have this one

[tardy smelt]

oh wait you were referring to what was posted in #suggestions-posting

[torn crown]

Yeah

[hollow oriole]

Yea my suggestion I assume

[tardy smelt]

slightly updated this to be slightly less SIS?

[torn crown]

The content is based enough

[tardy smelt]

I'm just tryin' to convert this idea into a fleshed-out suggestion

lo

but its hard without straying into the territory of SIS

[torn crown]

But I'm kinda worried about the sugg length, since walls of text tend to barr more people from voting than the people who get persuaded by it

[signal edge]

I've literally never collected a plant intentionally

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[hollow oriole]

Also, what would the herb give if not a new potion?

[tardy smelt]

I could add some bolding and underlining to mark the most important part of the sugg

[hollow oriole]

Since most herbs are only used for potions

[tardy smelt]

that's up to the devs to decide

once again,

[hollow oriole]

Mhm

Just asking

[tardy smelt]

you have to be careful to not get into specifics

since that's a "don't"

[signal edge]

I've only ever made potions with blood orbs

farming plants is no fun imo

[tardy smelt]

ofc, its not this type of SIS

[hollow oriole]

I’ve only used alch npc

[tardy smelt]

but still dangerous territory

[hollow oriole]

Maybe, it could be used for some flask like items

[signal edge]

Collecting 1 teal mushroom for a health upgrade made me want to cry

keep plants away please

[tardy smelt]

Add an Astral Underground-Exclusive Herb
Currently, the Astral Underground has very little content to offer, and there's very few incentives to visit it at all. While the biome in its current state is bound to get reworked, it may be a long time before that actually happens and in the meantime the astral UG will stay in the same forgettable state as it currently is in.

A short-term, easy-to-implement solution could be to add a herb exclusively to the underground portion of the Astral Infection, and then incorporate it in various astral infection-themed crafting recipes. As expected, this would give the player a clear reason to venture into this biome.

However, giving this herb unique gameplay interactions could also make exploring this biome a more unique and engaging experience, while still providing an easy-to-implement placeholder solution while the rework is underway.

Perhaps turning the herb into some form of player hazard while still keeping it as a material source could be a way to go about it. Such a thing could make the Astral Underground a more unique explorative experience without too much development effort while the full biome rework is still underway

é voila

@grim tusk sorry for the ping but can I have an expert's opinion on this?

[grim tusk]

[tardy smelt]

then?

[grim tusk]

@hollow oriole things for just being a sake for a reference are a no

also cryogen is magic

[hollow oriole]

Mhm

[grim tusk]

otherwise you'd just place a bunch of campfires lol

[hollow oriole]

Fair

[tardy smelt]

it'd be funny if that'd work

just

fight it with torches

I'll be stealing that boss idea for if I ever make a boss thank you very much

[hollow oriole]

Flamethrowers do extra dmg

[tardy smelt]

now everyone's gonna start their suggestions with suggestion: ....

ok you know what fuckit

[heavy urchin]

there you go

[hollow oriole]

Wait were you not suppost to

[heavy urchin]

^

[tardy smelt]

[hollow oriole]

[half sage]

it's not against the rules or anything iirc just not usually done since it's pretty redundant

[grim tusk]

how to suggestions:
*Title*
text, reasoning, ideas, etc.

[heavy urchin]

ah ok

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[heavy urchin]

that should be included in the doc

fixed

[tardy smelt]

tbh they should put the sugg-posting rules in a separate channel, and then only allow people to post in #suggestions-posting after having read the rules

because no one reads the pins

[grim tusk]

the rules are at the top of #suggestions-posting but with no one reads

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[heavy urchin]

not in here

[tender depot]

though does some type of weapons are more or less effective when using against some enemies? like fire weapon to ice golem or nature weapon to man eaters

[tardy smelt]

so like this would force people to at least, y'know, glance at the rules?

[heavy urchin]

about bolding it

[tardy smelt]

oh that's just for convenience

[heavy urchin]

or in the don'ts

[tender depot]

or just they're for some special buffs like drinks from the princess

[heavy urchin]

ok what do you think about the actual suggestion now

[tardy smelt]

but people do make suggs like this:

[heavy urchin]

nice one

[tardy smelt]

wrong formatting + a don't + probably didn't even know there was a message with rules at the top of the channel

[grim tusk]

plant needs a big arena regarless of spore clouds or not, spore clouds are just there as obstacles

if you make a small arena you're getting fucked by either no room to dodge or by spike balls

[heavy urchin]

i made a small arena with water at the bottom

it was really tight

[tardy smelt]

the spore clouds are kind of annoying though

[heavy urchin]

but it was WAYYYY too tight with the clouds

[tardy smelt]

byeah plant requires a large arena anyway

[grim tusk]

they are but spike balls are worse lol

[tardy smelt]

true

[grim tusk]

considering that spore clouds can just be amended with honey dew

[heavy urchin]

i imagine a large arena with like actuated blocks in the middle would completely nullify spore clouds

[tardy smelt]

plant in general is kind of uh

[heavy urchin]

whats that

[grim tusk]

accessory

[deft yew]

Correct!

[grim tusk]

gives regen, prevents poison and venom

[heavy urchin]

don't spore clouds deal damage though?

[deft yew]

Honestly I think a charge ability like Polter would be cool

[grim tusk]

used to go into ampoule but damn ampoule used to be op

[half sage]

gives defensive boosts in jungle, honey regen, and immunity to venom and poison

[tardy smelt]

Polter my beloved

[deft yew]

But that would require a lot less projectiles

[grim tusk]

most of their damage is the debuffs lmao

[tardy smelt]

the issue is that we don't want planty to turn into polter beta

[grim tusk]

specially on dmode
especially on dmode

[half sage]

byeah honeydew made malice plant much more tolerable even if my shitty arena still made the spores into a fuckin minefield

[heavy urchin]

im doing a revengance mode playthrough rn

[half sage]

10/10 would recommend

[heavy urchin]

beating plantera shouldn't be navigating a minefield

assuming you have a small arena

[tardy smelt]

anyway should I just chuck this into #suggestions-posting ?

[heavy urchin]

then whats the point

[deft yew]

but polter is plant 1.1 anyway

[heavy urchin]

if attack is simply amended by "x" then whats the point of it

nobody wants to get out their jungle grass and actuators to make a big arena

[tardy smelt]

plant but based

[cobalt pewter]

There are a couple, but mostly stat based. It's the entire gimmick of Arsenal weapon set

[tardy smelt]

temple blocks

[heavy urchin]

it would be much more fitting after picksaw is obtained

[deft yew]

Plant but how the [REDACTED] does its melee behavior work?!

[heavy urchin]

making a big jungle arena would be much much easier

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[heavy urchin]

hell, even my arena had spots that made plantera enrage