suggestions-discussion

[gusty scarab]

dash makes that... at least possible.

[weak field]

It's fine just think about how the rest of everybody might not use it

Hint hijt fargos have a mod that makes treasure bags drop in normal

[hollow shell]

we're still talking about this?

[weak field]

Might wanna try that out instead of suggesting it to one of the biggest mods out there

[gusty scarab]

wait it does?

[weak field]

Skill issue goes a long way

[weak field]

One of his mods yeah

I remember seeing it

[brisk bramble]

yep :/

I was about to talk about that sugg I discussed
A weapon that is more on Defense and utility than offense (The thing thst pushes enemies back)

[gusty scarab]

i just want to have fun playing a mod i enjoy without losing a ton of the content from it. and every update just makes it harder and harder...

[weak field]

Cheat sheet

Or improve

God this is

I'm making objection.lol later of this

[hollow shell]

I haven't been following closely but it does seem like an impasse argument

[weak field]

Skill issue embodiment

[hollow shell]

Also don't bully

[weak field]

Now can we move on

[brisk bramble]

Right

Uh

I feel like ive discussed it before but
A weapon that pushes enemies back?

[mighty knot]

am I a massive idiot
or can you get counter scarf in normal mode via malice

[hollow shell]

You can

It's just that the Malice fight is harder than any other mode's fight (arguably)

[hollow shell]

Were you the one who wanted a sentry that did that?

There was a whole convo

[brisk bramble]

Yes

my apologies, I dont really have a good memory

[hollow shell]

It's fine

[brisk bramble]

Another question

||Ive heard that Defiled, Death, Malice Is impossible and was not throughly tested??? I am not quite sure||

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't be surprised

[brisk bramble]

Right
Thank you.

Ill ask further questions from the testers, if thats ok or smthin

[hollow shell]

Uh alright, if you have contact with em ig

[brisk bramble]

Im Sorry

^^;

[fossil finch]

Defiled with malice is a nono, it is simply not meant to be played

[dapper coral]

i would appreciate it if you didn't do that
different skill levels is not an excuse to bully people or make fun of them in any respect

[brisk bramble]

Bet

[fossil finch]

It won't be balanced

Actually about that

[weak field]

Right yeah

I'm sorry about that

[fossil finch]

Can we add a disclaimer to either items?

[uncut quiver]

got a question bc im curious: how do you guys feel about some way of letting you moonwalk with every sword?

[fossil finch]

So at least the game tells you malice and defiled do not mix

[brisk bramble]

Make a little warning or smthin?
like
"Add a temporary warning label to DF"

Since currently, there are alot of kinks to sort out

[fossil finch]

An acc that reduces your damage or use speed but gives you that ability would be good i think

[hollow shell]

If it's not ass to code, that sounds like a good concept for an inventory-favoritable item yeah

[hollow shell]

Probably not needed.

[fossil finch]

I do not think it'd be ok as an inv favoritable

Because moonwalking could unironically be op

[hollow shell]

Malice is already very explicit with the fact that it's a hard difficulty, and Defiled is adding more difficulty on top of that
So of course it will be very very difficult

[uncut quiver]

how should I go about formatting it? Inventory favoritable item sounds good but with lore items being removed, I don't think there's an item in the game that gives a function when you favorite it anymore

[fossil finch]

Yes there is

[hollow shell]

Ball and Chain

Defiled Feather

[uncut quiver]

oh

im dumb

[fossil finch]

Defiled and Chain yeah

[hollow shell]

The boss spawn inhibitors

[fossil finch]

But i stand by what i said

[uncut quiver]

head empty

[hollow shell]

It's aight

[fossil finch]

May become a balance issue

So i think it is better as an acc

[uncut quiver]

I was thinking about making it an accessory sidegrade to boots of some sort, but favoritable item might be the way to go

bc it'd definitely involve boots

[hollow shell]

I personally think it fits thematically with Ball and Chain & Defiled in that they change a basic aspect about the player's functioning

I don't know why moonwalking would be particularly OP?

[uncut quiver]

moonwalking lets you kite a lot better with true melee

i think that's about it

[fossil finch]

Lets you dodge a lot better

[uncut quiver]

yea it lets you do spacing work a lot better

[fossil finch]

Idk how exactly are things with sword size increase but like

[uncut quiver]

especially if you have a dash

[fossil finch]

It lets you dodge much much better

[uncut quiver]

bc i know if I could moonwalk with the blade of grass, eye of cthulhu would be mincemeat

same with king slime

[fossil finch]

And true melee was balanced around rushing down bosses because you won't stand much time close to them

[uncut quiver]

so making it an accessory would be best, boots sidegrade is what im thinking

[fossil finch]

GIving a way to dodge them much easily could become a balance problem because of it

I think

[sand umbra]

mfw sugg that claims Malice is necessary

Malice is all kinds of unnecessary

[uncut quiver]

how do you feel about it being a boots sidegrade?

[sand umbra]

buildin' for speed more than makes up for any options you've lost as a result of the introduction of Malice

[fossil finch]

Read the disc we had about it, thomas
They did have their fair share of points

[fossil finch]

Maybe?

I feel a one of its kind acc would be better

A boot sidegrade would imply different mobility

[uncut quiver]

i mean, we don't have a boot sidegrade that encourages backwards movement

[fossil finch]

When this just... has moonwalking, which is only ever important for true melee

[uncut quiver]

true

backwards movement isn't useful for any other class so just making a separate moonwalking accessory would be best

The other thing I need to pin down when i post the sugg is when would this be available

[fossil finch]

Probably mid phmode

Or late phmode

On wof it'd be useful as hell

[sand umbra]

literally no item (that exists in Malice currently) is, was, or will be necessary to play the game ever

[uncut quiver]

y know it reminds me of sliding with slime god lore

making it late phmode might be the strat

[radiant meadow]

there's no point in adding any disclaimer to defiled

[hollow shell]

But Thomaaas what if you want to have a Pre-Hardmode dash and you're playing Normal mooode

How will you dooodge

[sand umbra]

git gud

[radiant meadow]

There's no point in adding a disclaimer that removing your flight time makes the game harder.

like I know some people are dumb but not that dumb

[sand umbra]

like. I'm sorry but, genuinely
skill issue

[uncut quiver]

last thing @fossil finch : craftable or boss drop?

[fossil finch]

Doesn't matter

Probably crafteable

[uncut quiver]

yea

[fossil finch]

Not like you'd be specifying those

[sand umbra]

Normal Mode is literally a cakewalk

[uncut quiver]

im thinking craftable late prehm is all I need to specify

[fossil finch]

Just put that as an example

[uncut quiver]

alright

[fossil finch]

"It could be a crafteable item in prehm" or whatev

[uncut quiver]

i gotchu

alright I'll go post it

wording might be choppy, any and all feedback is wanted and appreciated

[loud cloak]

should I suggest to add an alternative way to obtain unicorn horns

cus right now getting super mana potions is quite painful

[fossil finch]

Buy them from perma i think?

[grim tusk]

Well how would you get em?

[fossil finch]

or use regen

[uncut quiver]

buy em from cirrus

[fossil finch]

I believe perma sells super ones

Unsure

[uncut quiver]

oh he prob do

[loud cloak]

Npc sells them?

didn't know that, I checked NPC sells

ill check again

[gray nebula]

no one specific item is necessary to play the game

[brisk bramble]

Man

So many are Malding

[fossil finch]

Damn!

[gray nebula]

im not malding i didnt even read the whole discussion (too cool for that)

[brisk bramble]

I mean the picture

[gray nebula]

just wanted to correct thomas statement on a half joking humorous tone

[brisk bramble]

:gigachad:

[safe oasis]

copper pickaxe i think

[brisk bramble]

My bad

But my point still stands
not to be rude or anything or smthin

[uncut quiver]

you can probably find some way to get stuff without it, the only concern is the ability to get wood. If you can get 2 living tree houses and use the Guide to kill monsters until you get enough money for Merchant, you're good

in fact i think you might only need 1 living tree house

and even if Merchant didn't sell the starter tools, you could wait for travelling merchant, buy dynasty wood from him, make a wooden fishing pole, then fish up a reaver shark

it would be hell, but it'd be possible

[fossil finch]

Offtopic

[uncut quiver]

mb mb

[safe oasis]

damf, i stand corrected ig

[uncut quiver]

got carried away

[crude geode]

So not sure if this is known but voodoo demons still spawn with voodoo demon voodoo doll on, even with everyone having it in multiplayer.

[grim tusk]

Thats a bug

[crude geode]

sounds about right

[brisk bramble]

So
What yall think of a weapon that pushes enemies back?

[frozen hornet]

It's not a RIV anymore, and was also changed to be CalClone's Malice drop

(and got an awesome new sprite)

[uncut quiver]

oh shittttt

that's sick

[frozen hornet]

Regenator my beloved

[uncut quiver]

yo that new sprite is heat

doesn't make sense for it to have a dash now bc it doesn't look like a shield now but I still think it should get something

[median dove]

um

how do i not die in 2 hits in malice

[uncut quiver]

not much of a choice

[safe oasis]

this is #suggestions-discussion

[median dove]

oops lmao

[frozen hornet]

I mean it's already really good

[uncut quiver]

wait really? i thought it was considered bad

[frozen hornet]

Though it did get a little nerf

Idk I loved it a lot

Used it till pre-provi

[uncut quiver]

I was gonna suggest that it has an additional effect where the delay between taking damage and regenerating is decreased depending on how low the player's hp percentage is

the thing that made it a no for me was the big delay between getting hit and regenerating

having a little extra effect that fixes that a bit while committing to the reference even further (I am a big fan of BL2 so I love all the references it has in this modpack) would be neat

[frozen hornet]

That could be cool

Waiting for the regen to ramp up is kinda why it's hard to use most of the time

I still used it because lmao regen xd

[uncut quiver]

yea I'll go ahead and just post it bc it's a quickie

but i am curious (still don't know whether it's okay to @ rover but I know he checks this channel): Am I able to make 2 separate suggestions in quick succession without concerns?

[safe oasis]

you are allowed to allot your two suggestions within any time period of each other, but make sure to have no more than 2 suggestions active in #suggestions-posting

[fossil finch]

That's a lotta suggs in less than 24 hours

[frozen hornet]

Woke up to a 20 second stroll through suggposting

[uncut quiver]

oh so keep my suggestion posts 24 hours apart?

got it

I'll have it in my pocket then

[safe oasis]

you can post it now, you only have one in posting rn

[uncut quiver]

oh, no more than 2

ok yea makes sense

as always, any and all feedback is wanted and appreciated

[hollow shell]

(This is the most packed #suggestions-posting I've seen in a long time, maybe ever.)

[silver silo]

people suddenly getting hit with inspiration I guess

[hollow shell]

mhm, it was expected with the big ole update

[uncut quiver]

Hopefully an equal amount of popularity gain is true for the amount of people voting

otherwise it’ll be tough

[brisk bramble]

I just want a funni Sentry that goes haha fuck off

[uncut quiver]

time to add windboxes to terraria

[keen zealot]

we already have windboxes. it's called Mighty Wind

[uncut quiver]

technically that’s a status effect because if it was a windbox it’d have to have special interactions with walls

[gray nebula]

that just feels like a bu g report

[hollow shell]

That

That looks like a bug

What enchantment is that specifically?

[grim tusk]

cant read it

[hollow shell]

See that?

No space

That's where a newline is sposed to be

[grim tusk]

withering is the enchant

[hollow shell]

aight

[mellow walrus]

when the line break is missing 😳

[hollow shell]

Cool I can see exactly where the mistake is in the source

[obsidian cove]

Me when no \n

[grim tusk]

but still the small text happens with others such as Ephimeral

for comparison

[hollow shell]

I'll send to testers

[small timber]

although kinda late, isn't the true melee moonwalk somewhat default in vanilla 1.4 or only specific cases? because I remember using a lot of true melee weapon in vanilla with that feature

[grim tusk]

Question is there something against suggs that ask for something that just got into voting?

[safe oasis]

like, addressing another suggestion that’s in voting?

or you mean a blue check type thing?

[small timber]

someone suggested the same thing as a suggestion that got into voting, thats about it

although their interpretation is different (one is on health bar while another is directly on player's head)

[glossy stone]

Would it be possible to ask for a better option in order to allow us to remove/hide the Red Devil from Demonshade armor ?

Or at least prevent him from attacking ?

[distant gyro]

there is the cosmic plushie but not sure if that is enough to satisfy

[glossy stone]

Unfortunately, no.

Especially when you consider that you need a hardcore character to get it.

I suggest making it work like the Stardust armor, double tapping down would enable/disable his attacks or make him appear/dissapear.

[hollow shell]

@noble drift You need a more solid reason than "it feels weird"

@halcyon dagger Your top line needs to describe the main idea of your suggestion. Also, you need to provide a reason

[golden tulip]

i respect your patience in these channels Rover

also I don't understand when people say they can't use adrenaline or rage anymore?

[distant gyro]

you wouldn't be able to in normal mode if you do that for some reason

(but why would you do malice normal)

[golden tulip]

??

[glossy stone]

Yeah that bit is weird

Although I do agree with the "locking away items in Malice is meh" part

I just want those items to be obtained in Rev./Death too, but with a smaller percentage (that isn't 1% lo)

[golden tulip]

i can see that

but like

adrenaline and rage's accessibility haven't been touched?

[glossy stone]

Yeah I think he misunderstood the concept

Malice =/= Revengeance

[golden tulip]

yea

which makes his argument even dumber because that means he hasnt even tried it out

he is complaining without trying anything out

[glossy stone]

[golden tulip]

:gaze:

[glossy stone]

Imagine complaining about something you didn't even play

aka Tw*tter

[golden tulip]

tw*tter

[cobalt pewter]

Twatter

[earnest raptor]

Because less fight time and damage

So less suffering

[neat linden]

yes but on malice normal you don't have access to rage and adren

[golden tulip]

why would you play malice normal

[brisk bramble]

Wait so technically
Malice Defiled Normal is more cancer?

[half sage]

this already exists, ball and chain disables dashing

@twin jacinth

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Ball_and_Chain

[hollow shell]

^

[torn crown]

Hot damn that's a lot of sugg's

[toxic basalt]

[uncut quiver]

I think he's also asking for the ability to bind the dash to something other than double tap, not just the ability to remove the dash part.

[surreal drum]

My english grammar is going to kill me someday(

[small timber]

@lusty iris although just for your information any suggestion to buff hardmode ore armors is probably unnecessary, there had already been plan to rework all hardmode ore armors to be relevant so as to fit the new early-hardmode progression, just not implemented yet in 1.5

[lusty iris]

ah, alright 👍

[small timber]

although there is nothing wrong with the suggestion so you can keep it if you wish

[lusty iris]

was doing a run and felt really underwhelmed looking at it compared to statigel lol

[earnest raptor]

well

that's because cobalt armor is slight upgrade to final pre-hm armors

molten, necro and jungle, that is

and statigel is better than vanilla armors

[hollow idol]

(for reference, the previous version was 1.4.5.007 not 1.4.5.003)

[earnest raptor]

I think reverting update changes with configs should be Dont

if you don't want changes in update, just... don't update?

[fossil finch]

Ok this is quite a don't

And tbf the previous one was also a don't but uh

I don't think this will get anywhere further the previous one did honestly

[halcyon dagger]

had to resendmy suggestion because i editted it (i deleted the previous tho)

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message although not quite the same itteration, but the general idea is the same and you can also help vote for it too to increase the chance of being implemented

although surprisingly the suggestion did not address out of biome, but it should also be part of enrage

[still minnow]

everyone gangsta till there is an exhumed upgrade to the Violence called Ultra-Violence

also, what kind of items should you think should be exhumed next? I noticed that most of the exhumed items are related to bosses, with "higher ranked" bosses such as scal having multiple

[small timber]

wrong channel

[still minnow]

how

[frail mantle]

there are some more exhumed weapons planned iirc

[exotic stag]

just realized why doesnt iron francisca and lead tomahawk have autouse?..

[fossil finch]

Because they don't

👍

[small timber]

@ashen warren try not to use terms like "as I said before" since suggestion are supposed to stand on their own (as people can understand only by looking at the suggestion itself). Also I think you should explain just slightly what you mean by "Use turn" since it is not exactly a standard term for Terraria

[ashen warren]

Well, you see, Use Turn makes the player turn to the direction the item is used, for example, Guns.

[small timber]

ya, just include it in the suggestion itself

[frail mantle]

(explain in the suggestion)

[fossil finch]

They literally removed them from weapons for a reason so you're gonna have to be very convincing

Also like 3 suggs about useturn noe

Channel is very bloated

Suggs are gonna get buried

[small timber]

i mean many of it will get exclaimed

although about half will still be alive

[earnest raptor]

is it known for what reason?

so devs could 2x most tru meeme?

[fossil finch]

You actually benefit out of it most of the time

It does make spacing yourself from the boss harder, though

And considering they balanced around that, uh

[grim tusk]

Why do people hate useTurn

Literally just place the cursor on a general direction where you want to attack

And this is actually helpful on many bosses specially later in the game

People need to get used to it

[fossil finch]

Because moving turns the direction

You cannot moon walk

[grim tusk]

I can see it being an issue vs WoF

But vs other bosses not much

[cobalt pewter]

WoF

(it's a horrible boss by core)

[ashen warren]

So you're saying not being able to kite bosses as True Melee is not really a big problem?

[cobalt pewter]

(which unfortunately is tied to basic progression)

[grim tusk]

Try to go ahead get some hits, then return to safety

Although something needs to be done for WoF

Thats for sure

[ashen warren]

All of that because of Use Turn.

[fossil finch]

Considering you deal 150~ per swing on late-mid phm maybe

[cobalt pewter]

What needs to be done for WoF: delete it

[grim tusk]

And also yes, swords got buffed hard

[cobalt pewter]

[fossil finch]

Feed we got it you hate wof

[grim tusk]

If swords were weaker i’d want useturn gone

[fossil finch]

Just wait for thomas to rework it in 2874

[cobalt pewter]

Someone can get to 35% ish on Destroyer in phm with Night's Edge and Biome Blade

[ashen warren]

Well, even if it's not being removed I can just do it myself with ModdersTool mod (wich I am already doing it)

[cobalt pewter]

(destroyer in phm is mainly an oversight that should be fixed on the next hotfix)

[frozen hornet]

I'm confused, what does useTurn do again?

[cobalt pewter]

true: you can turn around in the middle of a broadsword swing

false: you can't

[safe oasis]

the thing that makes you swing in the direction you’re going?

[ashen warren]

Exactly.

And it makes you unable to swing to the opposite direction.

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, that's useTurn basically

If false, you're stuck on a direction until the broadsword swing is done

(correct me if I'm wrong tho, I haven't seen Terraria code in a while)

[ashen warren]

Imagine as if the player couldn't attack King Slime while running away from him with this enabled.

[grim tusk]

Try to move to get a hit, then move away then move and swing again

Kiting feels similar to DST now

[ashen warren]

That's much easier said than done. Not all bosses work like that, plus, in an early game situation that would be dangerous.

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly I'm trying to remember if there's a defined name of genres like DST, because I definitely kite bosses like that on Crashlands

[grim tusk]

Dont Starve Together

[cobalt pewter]

Genres.

Basically the top-down gameplay thing (I know DST isn't completely top-down but still)

[grim tusk]

Also similar to many souls games kiting as well

[frozen hornet]

So is the sugg saying to remove useturn or add it?

[grim tusk]

Remove

[ashen warren]

Remove it.

[frozen hornet]

wh

but then how would you attack backwards while running

[ashen warren]

That's the problem, the player is not able to already.

[cobalt pewter]

useTurn allows the player to change the direction they're facing in the middle of a broadsword swing. Having this at false makes it so that you're stuck in a direction you're aiming while swinging, and walking the opposite direction makes the term "moonwalk"

[grim tusk]

Mario Party, Pokemon games (until SM), many mobile games (all Supercell ones ones lmao)

[cobalt pewter]

Currently most melee broadswords in cal have useTurn at true

[ashen warren]

basically, for true melee:
disabled=good
enabled=bad

[cobalt pewter]

I'm stuck in the stealth rogue rabbit hole to care much about true melee rn

[frozen hornet]

So the broadsword follows the player's direction at all times when it's set to true?

[ashen warren]

exactly, you got it right.

[cobalt pewter]

Essentially

[frozen hornet]

Isee

[grim tusk]

I have tried a bit tru meme, seems pretty alright

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth is sex

But I'm getting a bit derailed here

[ashen warren]

That's a big problem in most of the boss fights.

[torn crown]

Didn't they already do that for 1.5

[ashen warren]

No.

It was disabled before the last update, in the last update, they enabled it.

As far as I can remember, that is.

[cobalt pewter]

Note that most broadswords from cal already had useTurn at true, 1.5 changed vanilla ones

(the only exception I can remember is that Gauss Dagger originally had useTurn at false at one point within 1.4.5.x patches)

[silver silo]

can anyone confirm if the snow/ice biome is the only biome to not have any structures unique to it

[fossil finch]

Draedon's lab and the shrine fucking

Crying

[silver silo]

neither of those can be found nowhere else though

labs and shrines are in every biome

[cobalt pewter]

They share the same base structure

[fossil finch]

Every lab is unique though

[cobalt pewter]

But ultimately their content are different

[silver silo]

ikik

[fossil finch]

Shrines ok ig but it does have its unique ite

[silver silo]

just talking about like entirely unique structures

[cobalt pewter]

No

[fossil finch]

Well in that case uh

Sunken sea and abyss don't either

Or any biome but jungle really

[silver silo]

desert has pyramids

[fossil finch]

Fair

[silver silo]

corruption and crimson uh...do the underground areas count?

they're not random

[fossil finch]

They're not really structures either

[silver silo]

it's hard to give the spreading biomes structures anyway since they...you know, arent set in stone locations

b'yeah sunken sea I guess technically doesnt, it has geographic locations but yeah no structures

[cobalt pewter]

They can always gen in the pre generated coverage of evil biomes

[silver silo]

true ig, although maybe you could consider the evil islands?

abyss...it has the boss rush item shrine? I guess?

[fossil finch]

That's a shrine

If you count that you count all shrines as unique

[silver silo]

true

there isnt really anything to ''find'' in the ice/snow biomes thats particularly unique to it I guess is what I'm thinking

just a shrine and lab which you'd expect to find since they're everywhere else

[fossil finch]

I don't really think you need to fine something unique anyway

[silver silo]

which is cool anyway ofc but not my point

there was apparently a snow pyramid that spawned in earlier versions I hear

[fossil finch]

There's the loot
You don't need chungus castle at rover is perma castle actually planned

That was replaced with the lab

And was literally just a pyramid

Not "unique"

[silver silo]

perma castle is a hostile enemy

and yeah I agree with that

snow biome definitely doesnt ''need'' anything but I guess just a thought that came to mind

it has ore thanks to calamity at least right

[fossil finch]

Uh

Legendaries are still legendaries

They have an m2 and all

I don't think this is in any way necessary

[glossy stone]

It's literally useless to have said tag.

[fossil finch]

And?

[hollow idol]

its been giving the wiki a headache

[fossil finch]

Stretch, but It is also useless to have calamity mod exist

[glossy stone]

It's not just a wiki suggestion lol

[fossil finch]

Like it's useless ok and
That's not a very good reason because it's not content

It's flavor text

[glossy stone]

But isn't it the kind of suggestion devs want ?
Simple things that require lil' to no code changes but that manage to still fix small flaws ?

Seeing the changelogs, I think it's not gonna hurt them to change that

[fossil finch]

It's a flaw to tell you an item is supposed to be more awesomer than the others you just got?

Also yeah but it's also not hurting anyone leaving it like it is now

[glossy stone]

Challenge drop literally does that just fine

[hollow idol]

Cold Divinity and Cryophobia having the same drop condition

[glossy stone]

I mentionned it in #wiki-discussion it's just Superboss all over again

[fossil finch]

Legendaries are more awesomer than challange drops that's what I'm saying

[glossy stone]

SCal had Superboss title but it barely mattered

[fossil finch]

You're still not very convincing

It doesn't hurt anyone to remove it

It doesn't hurt anyone to leave it be either

[glossy stone]

I think it can bring confusion within some more casual players

[hollow idol]

its been causing some problems

[glossy stone]

Seeing items like that from afar, they might think it's some super awesome items while it's literally the same thing as challenge drops

And over all, Legendary tag is literally just a leftover from the previous version.
It's useless now, it won't hurt removing it.

[fossil finch]

Idk what's from far away but ok ig?
I am still not convinced

[glossy stone]

When I said from afar, I meant the moment when they see screenshots of other players for example

[fossil finch]

Anyways uh what i was saying was Legendaries are meant to be specialer than the rebranded rivs or moved rev drops
To begin with, they have m2's, two of lacking it (for now), technically 3 but community is acc

Like i see the point yeah but uh

I'm just not convinced
I see no reason to remove it as much as there is no reason to keep it

[glossy stone]

Is it really worth keeping Legendary for items that just have an m2 ?
No, at least in my opinion.

[earnest raptor]

technically 3 but community is acc
make it have a right click attack

[hollow idol]

Infinity has m2

[fossil finch]

You see my opinion is that it isn't worth removing the tag either because "they're the same"

[fossil finch]

Make infinity a legendary

[earnest raptor]

recolor it to look like stellar striker

[radiant meadow]

sad cosmic discharge noises

[fossil finch]

Just rework it

[radiant meadow]

easier said than done lol

[still minnow]

good, they are very epic

ALL OF THEM

[frail mantle]

readding removed sprites is a don't

they've been replaced for a reason

[exotic stag]

yep

its part of the "Readding removed content"

[sturdy oak]

oh that was a "don't"?

i didn't see that one

[sturdy oak]

oh god that example exactly what i suggested

[small timber]

should I suggest the counter scarf and crown jewel suggestion since it was discussed to not really make sense as a malice item? I believe I can make it pretty convincing without violating don'ts, just don't know how much calamity want to cater to, well, "skill issues" as many said

[fossil finch]

Like 2 suggs about it already exist

Hold that off

[small timber]

sure

[hollow idol]

can’t wait for the malice item suggestion “don’t”

[grim tusk]

For CS, SoC exists
Crown jewel was mediocre why people are now praising it lmao

[small timber]

I mean it will happen like real soon if this continue

[grim tusk]

Yea same

[fossil finch]

At Rover

[hollow idol]

but I cant tank through projectiles with it > : <

[small timber]

Crown Jewel is mediocre when you dont get hit, but actually pretty good if you get hit often

(although I don't use it, but apparently people like it a lot)

while Counter Scarf is mostly SoC (weaker in some aspect even) but some people are more used to dash than bash

[grim tusk]

Why use crown jewel over regen band and life jelly or a mobility accs such as frog leg or vital jelly

[small timber]

I believe regen band don't stop dots from nullfying regen effect, crown jewel is the only one that does that

so I can see a lot of people relying on it

[grim tusk]

Crown jewel actually did not but gave you a ton of regen

The only thing that really used to stop debuffs was nebula life booster and was fucking busted, but now it has been patched

[small timber]

hmm really? I guess the wiki was not exactly accurate

although chances are if CS get moved crown jewel too (due to people placing both together), if that happen

[exotic stag]

aint seemin bad to me. seems just fine

although they are kinda ghostly so like

dunno how'd that work

[languid quartz]

@glossy stone you could probably change your title to match your suggestion better, so like rename the legendary drop item tag

Also holy fuck there’s so many suggestions rn

Surprised I don’t see more ❗s tbh

[cobalt pewter]

The initial tidal is gone

[grim tusk]

@arctic timber

read xyk's status lmfao, like a playtester includes it in their name

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/910787069025083412/unknown.png

@lusty iris

Things that were planned for 1.5 but will no longer be part of it (more will be added as time goes on, probably):
1 - Exo Armor.
2 - Boss Rush themes.
3 - Reworked Profaned Guardian AIs.
4 - Reworked Signus AI.
5 - Reworked Demonshade Armor.
6 - Reworked Early Prehardmode Ore Armors.
7 - Reworked Early Hardmode Ore Armors.
8 - Cosmic Discharge rework.

These will be implemented in some patches after 1.5 release.

@ashen warren read suggs doc, but to shorten it delete the nights edge sugg, but keep your second one as the second one just references the first, so just change nights edge part to be “such as night’s edge”

[ashen warren]

I didn't fully get what you tried to say but I guess I corrected it right?

[grim tusk]

Yes, perfect

[hard bronze]

What if after you beat yharon or the exo mechs instead of zombies and stuff yharims troops start hunting you

[earnest raptor]

Yharim is Don't.

[hard bronze]

I didnt say yharim himself i meant like his soldiers

[earnest raptor]

still Don't.

[ashen warren]

I always imagined Yharim just being much, much above Terrarian.

In power level I say

[earnest raptor]

don't suggest things about something that is not released

[hard bronze]

?? It was just an idea

But okay 👌

[exotic stag]

an idea that wouldnt work too wel.

[ashen warren]

I know but not only this is the wrong channel to suggest things, this is not the biggest of ideas

[hard bronze]

Oh

My b

[glossy stone]

Nah I want it to be removed (and so, only have the Challenge drop tag), not renamed.

[fossil finch]

Well that'd be basically the same thing for the sake of the sugg

[deft yew]

scooza me why did a sugg about the server get into voting? whatever bot

[tawny garden]

server suggs are fine

[deft yew]

oh i guess i need to read pins on more channels lo

[tawny garden]

but I thought this stuff wasn't really allowed

[tawny garden]

yes

[earnest raptor]

hey sugg crew

[tawny garden]

[earnest raptor]

only new emoijs are banned or changing is also banned?

[tawny garden]

you mean changing the name?

[earnest raptor]

nah

[tawny garden]

you can't change the picture of an emote, you can only delete and create another one

soooo

[earnest raptor]

right, echsad

I just looked at few and thought about some as outdated because of new assets from updates

such as

[tawny garden]

well is also "outdated"

but all of these have a history behind them

[hollow idol]

Trihammer and Hive Blobs look close enough.
New slime core is very emote unfriendly aside from this monstrosity:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/909412299700305930.png

[grim tusk]

Theres also :GodOfTroll:

[hollow idol]

old core

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/855156775909326868/835012065298481192.png

[grim tusk]

[dapper coral]

demon

[earnest raptor]

will this be a new vanity helmet?

[hollow idol]

maybe

[dapper coral]

oh this again lol

[twin timber]

The helmet one?

[grim tusk]

@zenith hazel bot is more dead than people attempting malice exo mechs

[gray venture]

[grim tusk]

Also can i have my nickname changed to:
RS-2103 ”Dolos”

[dapper coral]

weeee

[grim tusk]

Thx

[zenith hazel]

notified amber

[ashen warren]

it'll be back up shortly

[hollow shell]

@royal iron There is literally a suggestion in the posting channel that proposes the same kind of thing you are proposing

#suggestions-posting message

[exotic stag]

Im not really understanding kabewms suggestion really.

like is he reporting a bug fix or what?

[hollow shell]

Weird to suggest it if you are under the impression that it is a bug

[exotic stag]

also "save power cells" i mean power cells are made what? every 5s?

and you get like a bunch when just out exploring for new materials. so like

[hollow shell]

@twin timber

[exotic stag]

i dont see the reason as to why.

im only seeing it as a bug

[robust lava]

It was also supposed to be fixed in 1.5.0.1, so even if that was initially a change and not a fix, making that change actually work would be a bug fix

[exotic stag]

(i mean i still dont understand the bug. do the reforges disappear when charging or sumn?)

[robust lava]

#changelogs message

[exotic stag]

oh

[hollow shell]

@teal onyx Your reasoning needs to be stronger than "I think it would be cool"

[exotic stag]

i mean still theres the fact that you gain power cells when exploring so when you come back you naturally have like 999 or so

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren What do you mean "As I said before, " ?

[twin timber]

Edited the suggestion.

[hollow shell]

We have a bug channel, Kabwem.

If you think this is a bug, why are you suggesting it here

[twin timber]

Huh.

[exotic stag]

your in suggestions channel.

also isnt incognitos suggestion just like the DoG fakeout?

[hollow shell]

@arctic timber Hooks. Also what Dolos said earlier.
If you can provide some footage of the issue you're encountering, that'd be welcome too

@halcyon dagger There is already a suggestion for this in #suggestions-voting
#suggestions-voting message

[fossil finch]

Sugg Status

[hollow shell]

Incognito's sugg is fine I guess

I was going to bring up that they have attacks designed for fighting them alone later in the fight, like Ares's laser spin attack

But, he doesn't specify what happens after you fight them all at once in the middle of the fight
so that could still happen when you bring one down to 20% or whatever

@lusty iris Planned.

[lusty iris]

👍

[hollow shell]

(I realize this is the third ping you've had about that, so, sorry)

[fossil finch]

Delete the sugg so no one else does

[plush remnant]

Yeah I realized that after I posted it, but frankly, the example I provided was very off-the-cuff and unbalanced. Maybe the transition could be closer to 75% to 80% and the boss can phase change at 50%

[fossil finch]

[hollow shell]

You could probably leave more open to adjustment in your example

[small timber]

although is it just be or will your suggestion actually make the fight even more chaotic? because 1) you get the three boss phase later so you just end up dying later, and 2) bosses enter their phase 2 at lower health?

[plush remnant]

Yeah, I tweaked the numbers to what I said in here and stated it was a rough example.

[small timber]

or exo phase transition is limited to last mech

[ashen warren]

Another mod made me remove the previous suggestion.

[hollow shell]

Then remove that bit of text from your sugg so it's not confusing

[plush remnant]

TBH I like the extended moveset being limited to the gank phase, it means you need to be able to react to the newer moves on the fly
I mostly am just complaining that the fight feels overwhelming to try to learn because of how quickly the fight spikes it's difficulty

[small timber]

although I like the idea of 3 mechs appearing later in the fight (this is my ultimate move kind of vibe), but with their current plan of having 1 mech always for the last phase it is difficult to see how to implement it

unless they cycled out at low hp and suddenly challenging you solo? hmm

[ashen warren]

Done.

[hollow shell]

@surreal drum What are "Scryllian Wings"? Are you sure that's not part of Calamity Vanities?

[surreal drum]

oh wait
yes, they are
Sorry, I probably shall uninstall this one
Always confuses me, even with WMITF

[hollow shell]

Just download "What Mod Is This From?" mod, it'll tell you

ah

[royal iron]

@hollow shell oops, I didn't notice that. My bad. 😆 I'll remember to scroll up make sure no one had already suggest something I was going to say next time.

[hollow shell]

Aight

Also, just for information

"I understand that you can just turn malice mode on temporarily to fight the boss once you get OP gear and get the drop and then just turn malice mode off again, but doing it that way just wouldn't feel right, it wouldn't feel like you actually earned those items, and also some people don't want to be constantly toggling the difficulty modes on and off every time they want to get a malice mode exclusive drop."

This is exactly how Malice is intended to be used

You are not supposed to do a "Malice playthrough"

[royal iron]

oh ok.

[dapper coral]

you're not alone in thinking that, by the way

a lot of people have the idea that "new difficulty = new playthrough"

which is not entirely wrong but

in this specific instance it's not supposed to work like that

[royal iron]

i see

if you haven't done it already (which I'm sure you probably did) you might want to make that clearer to people so they understand that.

[fossil finch]

(At this point maybe the disclaimer will need to be reworded to be more explicit)

[hollow shell]

Yes, someone do that

[dapper coral]

indeed

[hollow shell]

Suggestion to change Malice disclaimer

This is apparently not enough

It does too much to imply that it's a higher difficulty to Death and should be used in the same way as Death

When no, it's meant to be more stop-start, as implied by its separate slot in the Difficulty UI and why it can be enabled in Normal (as opposed to only in Death)

[dapper coral]

yeah i dont blame people for thinking that tbh

the description currently doesnt give any indicator to think otherwise

[torn crown]

The "You will need to master..." line could be switched out to say that you can always come back at a later tier

Since there's already "You should prepare as much as possible"

[grim tusk]

Add what Xyk has as his status

[ashen warren]

Screw it, I'm doing it anyways.

[earnest raptor]

I just got the idea

what if malice thingy was an material instead?

have a boss summon

that is crafted with malice and boss drops

[dapper coral]

@bitter python no future content suggs

read the don'ts doc in the pins

[grim tusk]

@bitter python they will tier shift it
Also invalid sugg

[dapper coral]

it'll be taken care of when necessary

(why oh why double ping)

[earnest raptor]

so you can't actually fight malice version before normal one

[bitter python]

Ok sorry

[grim tusk]

We must have sent it on a similar time frame

[dapper coral]

sadge

[hollow shell]

You might be having a good idea Trashbox

[earnest raptor]

should I submit that as sugg?

[hollow shell]

I don't necessarily agree with the execution

We could just make it so the Malice version of the boss doesn't activate unless its dead bool is true

[earnest raptor]

ok

[hollow shell]

And add that info to its tooltip

[dapper coral]

that could be interesting

that might mess with reactive DR though right

hopefully that can be manually set

[earnest raptor]

and done

[plush remnant]

Just have Malice Mode manually override the part of the code that turns off reactive DR

[earnest raptor]

anything?

[dapper coral]

thats what i meant yeah

[gray nebula]

hey i mean thats

a good idea i think

kinda

[gray nebula]

also yeah it is but the message was still kinda right

[hollow shell]

Yeah, this is actually a good suggestion I think

[gray nebula]

its a very counterintuitive thing to do when for like, every other mode (even armageddon) its considered cheaty to do that

well not cheaty but you catch my drift

[dapper coral]

yeah exactly

for 99% of new modes in a terraria mod it's "new mode = new playthrough"

but malice directly goes against that

which a lot of people don't understand, for good reason

[hollow shell]

This kinda sounds like Serpent's Bite is overpowered, right?

[earnest raptor]

I also thought right about other thing

[river glen]

i just feel like vanilla hooks are gabarge

they are slow

[grim tusk]

Aint that a hm hook

[river glen]

as hell

[earnest raptor]

make malice impossible to toggle if no boss is defeated

[river glen]

yeah.. an early HM one

[grim tusk]

Unless bat hook which is also early hm

[river glen]

bat hook is pre hardmode to my knowledge? unless 1.4 changed it?

[grim tusk]

1.5 cal made it only acquirable from vampires

[river glen]

oh yeah

then yeah post 1 mech?

[grim tusk]

Pretty much

[earnest raptor]

vanilla hooks are fine

at least gem ones

[river glen]

vanilla hooks are borderline unviable

[earnest raptor]

I guess ivy whip could be sped up?

[river glen]

they all lack either range, speed, or both

[earnest raptor]

compared to what

[river glen]

which is why there are like 3 viable hooks

diamond, bat hook, spooky hook and lunar which is 4

[hollow shell]

I mean

I never really had a problem with vanilla hooks

[river glen]

i had a problem trying to use them to get away as they seem to be to clunky unlike calamity hooks

[hollow shell]

I used Tendon Hook or its equivalents for a long time in each PT

[river glen]

but still

its hard to justify over other movement options like dashes

[hollow shell]

In PreHM they're good for mobility, before wings become pervasive

Getting to higher platforms in your boss areana

Regardless of their speed n reach n such

[river glen]

bundle of balloons are used and diamond is like the only viable one

others are to slow

[grim tusk]

And on hm and later they are useful for refreshing wings

[hollow shell]

Mhm

I may be in the minority but I almost never craft BoB

[grim tusk]

Actually i need to add rails to what i have been using as my exo mechs arena cuz flight time is a big issue vs Ares

Enraged ares although i can stall it with final dawn its pain

[river glen]

they just have one niche use...

it seems like it should have smth more...

than just "early hardmode go up to higher platforms" or "refresh wings"

[exotic stag]

well hooks also have the "speed" thing

and the fact that they are good catch tools PHM if you ever misstep

[torn crown]

@earnest raptor defeating malice bosses on tier is intentionally included as an option for a sort of high-risk reword, it's why they also balanced the boss to be 'beatable' around that

[fossil finch]

Did you just read the opinion of two of the devs on it

my point with that message is that even if that's true it doesn’t matter because devs can just change their opinion on it

[hollow shell]

Yes, I do suppose this would intrude on the freedom of players to go straight into Malice

But I feel like
the amount of people that would negatively affect is much lower than the amount of people who don't quite understand the purpose/intention of Malice and are negatively affected as a result of that

[earnest raptor]

I guess the workaround could be adding "use 3 times with increasingly snark dialogue and you get the boss"

[torn crown]

You mean like a confirmation/warning call?

[earnest raptor]

Yes

So normal would be blocked, but you can insist.

[safe oasis]

to be fair, there's a giant red warning on the malice tooltip that it's not intended to be used to fight bosses on-tier

[hollow shell]

That is not what it says

"You will need to master a boss inside and out to defeat it on-tier."

It encourages the challenge of fighting it on-tier

[torn crown]

Yeah that could work

[hollow shell]

what could work

[hollow shell]

Okay

[safe oasis]

i guess it could be interpreted that way, but i saw it more as a "hey, you probably shouldn't do this, but if you want to, then you'd need to know the boss like the back of your hand"

[earnest raptor]

Edited.

[torn crown]

Has anyone sugg'd about schematics changing tooltips to show their decrypted form afterwards?

[grim tusk]

No, go ahead

[torn crown]

Epico

Can someone check if it's good enough

[hollow shell]

Seems fine

[keen zealot]

btw, in the vanilla experts' community, useturn instantly takes a melee weapon down at least a +/- grade, more if especially terrible for the weapon

useturn is almost never a good thing

so to see you guys add it to seemingly half of the remaining weapons that didn't have it before?

pretty damn disappointing

[hollow shell]

(How the hell are you keeping track of that)

[keen zealot]

I didn't actually bother to read all of the specific list that you changed, because it's massive

but it's so many that it's probably in actuality at least 20% of the vanilla melee weapons

definitely a lot of the more major ones

[hollow shell]

Okay, I see the changelog now

Real quick though
@vocal grotto This suggestion can be considered completed, right?
#suggestions-posting message

[vocal grotto]

Yes

[hollow shell]

Awesome

@grim tusk

[grim tusk]

[hollow shell]

Thank you for reporting that Storm

[grim tusk]

No problem, i just want to help

Also bot is dead

And do i delete the sugg since it is 🏁 ?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

(A bit early to call the bot dead, suggs only overdue by 1 minute)

[grim tusk]

Done

Oh alr

[hollow shell]

Yeah see?

[grim tusk]

Anyways

[hollow shell]

Someone did bring up that that was kind of a Don't-breaker sugg cuz it was asking for a revert (even as an option)

but with the conversation that ensued I think it's important enough to stick around

[grim tusk]

What are we gonna do with all of the malice suggs, specially the ones of “I want my items back”, or some that can be boiled down to skill issue?

[languid quartz]

add it as a don't to assert dominance iirc

[hollow shell]

Well Reddragon's is gettin deleted cuz it was kind of a duplicate of the one that just got thru

Left it exclam'd

[keen zealot]

@charred dagger you don't have to fight bosses on tier in malice mode

you can just bear with Shield of Cthulhu until near the end of prehardmode, then come back and stomp the eye again for Counter Scarf, for example

making a difficulty bearing powerful items optional in the ultimate acquisition of said powerful items kind of undermines its entire reason to exist

[cloud cedar]

not really cause it's guaranteed vs a chance

2.5% drop chance vs 100% is massive

for the rare variants anyway

revengance drops well.. that's what they were tho i guess not anymore

[fossil finch]

Just use uh, pallad or cobalt

Or statigel even

Those are viable choices

Even in death

And cobalt and palladium are getting a lil buff later if you're worried they're too bad

[distant gyro]

palladium definitely

for now

(statigel works if you are sloth)

[hollow shell]

@crude bone Do you want to acknowledge Cobalt and Palladium in your suggestion?

I understand that you're asking for a dedicated armor but you can explain why you want that, versus using the ore armor helmets

[brisk bramble]

WHats going on?

[crude bone]

Alright sorry I was comparing the armor sets more closely and the Cobalt armor has the exact same total def. as jungle armor but worse stats and set bonus so cobalt isnt really an option; Palladium is sightly better having 4 more total defense than jungle, and the stats on the helm are decent enough, but the rest of the pieces aren't that great and the set bonus isn't that useful for a mage, but the main thing is how big of the gap is from 1 dedicated mage set to the next. You can literally get the Jungle armor before fighting a single boss, yet the next best dedicated mage set is after mechanical bosses, Just feel like there should be another set in between the tiers

[hollow shell]

I mean, you don't need to use dedicated sets
In fact that's quite inhibiting if you do

I imagine Statigel Mage is way better than Jungle, right?

(Thanks for comparing Cobalt and Palladium though, you can add to your suggestion that their current stats are really not much better than Jungle, contributing to the power gap)

[crude bone]

Yeah Stati-gel is what Im using, and actually comparing it to Palladium it's total Defense is 2 higher than Palladium's, The Stat's are much better and the set bonus is better, I will make a full comparison and then add it to my suggestion 👍

[hollow shell]

👍 Sounds good, thank you

[small tusk]

Any issue with my sugg I just posted?

[hollow shell]

You can make it clearer in your title that you mean class content, particularly equippables

Right now it's very broad

[half sage]

mage has jungle, melee has molten, and summoner has bee

so they don't "not have a single dedicated armor"

unless you're referring to like the very end of phm

[small tusk]

I mean modded armor

[hollow shell]

That's a better title, thank you

[small tusk]

Fixed that, I just clarified that now

[half sage]

aight then yea this is aight

tho calamity in general doesn't really do class specific armors

and the majority of the outliers are rogue sets, since it's a new class with obviously no exising vanilla gear except the sets calamity augmented, or classless sets like astral or reaver rework

also mage gets one new phm accessory, mana polarizer from slime gods, so maybe mention that it gets none except for in expert mode

[small tusk]

there

[keen zealot]

???

we literally removed multiclass helmets this update

thereby making more class exclusive armours

go down this page and tell me, even from how outdated it is, that calamity "doesn't do [monoclass] armour"
https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Armor

I dare you

[fossil finch]

Prismatic, ruffian, prowler, brimflame, both pbg armors
All of those? Coping

[hollow shell]

I am glad that the number of class-specific armors is starting to outnumber the multiclass helm armors

[fossil finch]

Well yeah

Multiclass helm is kind of a relic

Back when uh
Maybe there wasn't time or resources to sprite 5 different armors every now and then

And stuff

[hollow shell]

It was more so a difference in design philosophy I think

[cloud cedar]

i like the classes having their own identity

[hollow shell]

Because all of them used to be singular helmets with no class specific functions
Then they were made into 5-helmed ones, one for each class, to increase variety
And now we're moving onto dedicated armors

Slowly over time the classes are getting more dedicated eqipment

[small tusk]

Yeah it makes the classes feel a lot more individual rather than just a variation of one another

[fossil finch]

I mean that kinda fits with the idea of what i said

I think

[cloud cedar]

tho there is one thing, melee gets no unique armors except molten that is vanilla

[fossil finch]

Maybe it's a lil bit of both

[hollow shell]

I did not really get the impression that it was a matter of effort

apart from, like, inertia

iunno

(Also, good informative comparisons @crude bone
But I did notice you forgot Palladium's set bonus)

[crude bone]

Is my message okay? lol its too many characters to send normally

[hollow shell]

Ah
Uhh

[fossil finch]

Uh

[hollow shell]

I don't think the bot will be able to work with that

[fossil finch]

From the title along i can tell it's maybe too specific?

On phone so i can't uh

See the actual sugg

Because discord good

Also like

All hm ore armors are getting reworks/tweaks

[hollow shell]

That is indeed planned

Cobalt (and Mythril and Ada) will get a themed set bonus

[fossil finch]

In general the title of the sugg and the fact it's 2k+ characters long tell me you're asking for major reworks to most armors in those points you say

And that may also falll under the "suggs with big scopes"

[hollow shell]

Nah they aren't asking for that really

[safe oasis]

for non nitro you’re only allowed 700, not 2k

[half sage]

are they gonna be similar to the effects of the hm ore weapons, since orichalcum and palladium's weapons are themed after their armor's set bonus

[hollow shell]

It's just the fact that they're comparing the existing armors very intricately

[fossil finch]

Oh

[fossil finch]

That's new

Swear normal limit was 2k before

[grim tusk]

Non nitro was always 700

[crude bone]

Im working on shortening it

[hollow shell]

I think that you probably do not need the full listing of stats

[grim tusk]

Also 3 more class specific armors (mage to be more specific) suggestions in a row

[hollow shell]

And it would be better to compare them via words

like you were earlier in this chat

ig

[half sage]

well 2 of them are the same person, just rewording the original suggestion

[hollow shell]

What

oh

yeah

[crude bone]

There I Fixed it, and removed the file

[hollow shell]

Aight nice

All fits

[brisk bramble]

Really good slew of Suggs we having rn

[grim tusk]

Nope i wasnt, also fuck robotics projects lol. Gotta have to be tinkering and soldering shit. As well as code em

[brisk bramble]

Noice

[ashen warren]

To be fair, mage already has (technically) 3 unique armor sets in pre-hm.

[grim tusk]

Also true

[hollow shell]

I was talking to Kireina

[ashen warren]

It's hard to force more armor sets in without being too much.

[grim tusk]

Oh

[grim tusk]

And so does rogue, actually it has 4
SwR, Gladiator, Obsidian, Sulphur

[brisk bramble]

Or any other class really

Adding a new item to a cpass shifts balance quite a bit

[ashen warren]

I meant in vanilla.

[crude bone]

Whats the third set? Im only aware of Jungle/Meteor

[brisk bramble]

5
Fossil

[grim tusk]

Robes

[brisk bramble]

Wait-

[ashen warren]

Diamond robe and funny hat.

[safe oasis]

fossil isn’t rogue

[grim tusk]

Thats throwing

[brisk bramble]

But
Its still technically rouge or smthin

Excuse my dumbness

[crude bone]

Well I mean that's not really a full set, it's only 2 pcs. and you dont get a set bonus

[grim tusk]

Nope, i suggest you read the wiki on that

[grim tusk]

You do, depends on which robe and which hat

[ashen warren]

1. You get a set bonus.
2. It's good and viable.

It's an option, is what I'm trying to say.

It takes up armor slots.

I count it as an armor sets.

[crude bone]

Ah well either way, My main point was that there isn't a dedicated mage set in pre-mech bosses and even after mech-bosses Forbidden armor is still a hybrid set, yet other classes like Rogue, Can literally get an armorset that lasts until after brimstone elemental 5min after killing WoF

[half sage]

titan heart is post 1 mech now isn't it

so they have to cope with statigel for one boss, since they don't have hm ore helmets yet

[hollow shell]

Nope. Iron/Lead Anvil.

[half sage]

ah it got changed ic

wiki wasn't updated yet last time I checked

[ashen warren]

The suggestion specifically states pre-hardmode, so I was referring to that stage of the game.

[half sage]

that's a different suggestion

kireina's is about early HM, reaper's is about preharmode

[ashen warren]

Was talking about the latest suggestion.

[crude bone]

Yeah I was talking about Early HM

[ashen warren]

Though I guess mage dedicated set pre-mechs would be nice, would appreciate as a mage main.

[crude bone]

Yeah Especially if you're playing on Death Mode or Malice Like I am

Had to have my friends carry me to some of the first weapons becuase I would just get merced by everything

[fossil finch]

Are they unironically called desert nuisances or are you just seething

[frozen hornet]

Was reactive DR made stronger in 1.5?

[dense ferry]

Unironically

[fossil finch]

Afaik no

[fossil finch]

Amazing

[dense ferry]

I am seething a bit because they fucked up a lot of my Malice DS attempts, but I honestly think they should be given a map icon solely because the start of the fight can be so unfair

[cloud cedar]

if they're called that it's new because they've always been called desert scourge

unless you're talking about the dried seekers which are the tiny ones that come out of desert scourge when it gets low

[hollow shell]

You could specify in your sugg that you're experiencing this in Malice. iirc in all other modes they are not nearly as much of a problem

[dense ferry]

Yeah, definetly. However, I do remember having some pretty unfair spawns on other modes

[grim tusk]

Tip: hunter potion

[hollow shell]

Is that two suggestions in one message?

[languid quartz]

yeah probably split those

[hollow shell]

Yeah, they need to be in separate messages

[crude bone]

Yes, I just didnt want to wait 10min for the slow mode but I will split

[hollow shell]

aight

(also wdym the helmets are split in vanilla 1.4?)

[grim tusk]

Helment aint split

[crude bone]

Oh you know what you're right, It may have been something else

[grim tusk]

Hes probably confused between the og helm and circlet (Crabbar donor item)

[crude bone]

You know what yeah, I think I was thinking of the Hallowed armor set

Because it got a summon helm

my b

[jaunty jewel]

Make it so schematics can't be re decrypted
Just started the sequence over again and I'm punching the air rn

[grim tusk]

suggest that on #suggestions-posting and back up more your reasoning

[torn crown]

Maybe I can add that to my existing sugg?

#suggestions-posting message

[fossil finch]

Are they made of dust?

Graphic settings only affect dust

[torn crown]

ok fuck it I'm doing it anyway

Also @dense ferry if it's ok with you/doesn't bother too much, there was an old suggestion about DoG's Cosmic guardians having an map icon (and never got enough votes). Given that both fights are similar in nature, maybe you can go add that too?

[dense ferry]

Don't think it's needed

[ashen warren]

Why are there so many suggestions after the update dropped? Before it was one or two a day, but now it's just every 3 minutes.

[torn crown]

I have heard of people getting surprised by C. Guardians, and this was pre-malice

[dense ferry]

Also, I'd like to mention how you nearly gave me a heart attack, because I saw a Calamain Ping and instantly tought it was about the new Trial Mods

[torn crown]

Oh

good luck on that ig

[dense ferry]

Thanks

[torn crown]

Actually I think I'll wait for other people's opinion about it because it sounds like a different thing from my sugg

[hollow shell]

I don't think it's that surprising
People are playing the mod again, encountering both new and old stuff that they think could be changed

[grim tusk]

and new update

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[hollow shell]

@clear parcel Slight correction
Max level is 15

[clear parcel]

Thank you

[frozen flame]

seriously need to lower the voodoo demon spawn rates, it makes hell incredibly difficult to traverse because of the spawnrates

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Voodoo_Demon_Voodoo_Doll

[frozen flame]

omg thank you

[stoic phoenix]

they "did" in a changelog but I don't think it actually went through

luckily the voodoo voodoo doll is easy to make

[cobalt pewter]

@bitter python no.

[bitter python]

Ok

[half sage]

A: formatting
B: a don't

[cobalt pewter]

Actually since rover is online

@hollow shell banish

[frozen flame]

Im certain it didn't go through since theres almost always a voodoo demon on screen

[stoic phoenix]

I've gotten like 20 in a row still so prolly not

before I said fuck it and made the item

[half sage]

at least the voodoo demon blocker is now pre hm

[frozen flame]

Me and my buddy have almost 70 dolls from all the damn demons so far

[hollow shell]

@bitter python Next time, I implore you to actually do proper suggestion formatting, with a separated top summary and bottom reason, like you see all the other suggestions in #suggestions-posting doing

Your suggestion literally cannot be processed unless you do it like that

[bitter python]

Ok sorry 😭

[livid bough]

no good weps on rogue pre exo highest dps with all rogue and damaging items is 20-30k dps all with menacing and flawless modifiers.

and you cant craft plasma grenades

[hollow shell]

What's wrong with Plasma Grenades

Your schematics get bugged?

[hollow shell]

@boreal violet What do you mean?

[boreal violet]

i think so

[hollow shell]

You didn't provide any reason why this should be done

[boreal violet]

i placed the encrypted schematic into the decrypting device and decrypted it but i still cant craft any advanced items

[hollow shell]

Are you playing Multiplayer

[boreal violet]

yea

[hollow shell]

mmm

It's bugged in MP

[boreal violet]

both me and my friend decrypted it ald

ohh

[hollow shell]

Will be fixed soon

For now just feel free to cheat the items in or go without em

[boreal violet]

so if i bring the stuff over to a new world to craft it and go back should be ok right?

[hollow shell]

Yeah maybe

You could try that

[boreal violet]

aight thanks a lot for the help XD

[hollow shell]

Sorry about the bug

[boreal violet]

its alright, i like the new fancy mechanic too