i only thought of post-ML DoT abuse but i didnt even think about earlier sets like PBG
#suggestions-discussion
uncut quiver
small timber
plague on pbg tier weapon is probably fine (because that is literally the theme) but ya not all weapon should just have holy inferno and elemental mix
uncut quiver
yea it makes a bit more sense on plague but then when you look at the fact that the PBG flamethrower just applies that same debuff with no unique factor
like idk, it feels weird
but yea the biggest offender are those endgame weps
small timber
ok i dont even know a plague flamethrower exist
uncut quiver
yea blight spewer
small timber
i guess that prove your point more, that flamethrower and inherently not unique at all
uncut quiver
yep, it applies the same debuff as all the other pbg weps with no difference
it might as well be a plague beam laser at that point bc it'd function the exact same: Its identity as a flamethrower means nothing other than the fact that it consumes gel and shoots a continuous stream of piercing projectiles
full thistle
and is not very good 
ruby plover
There is the sulphuric acid cannon wep which, at its stage of the game (pre-DoG) actually has the venom that can be inflicted on all his segments by it specifically, but it’s an outlier and doesn’t effect the validity of this suggestion
@obtuse ember was that meant to be posted somewhere else or did you accidentally click enter or smthn
obtuse ember
Idk
ruby plover
Because uh. There are guidelines for suggestion posting, in the pins
obtuse ember
Ah yes i have to write a book
ruby plover
What…?
ruby plover
oh its gone now
hollow shell
(wait was there more to the suggestion than just "Necromancer"? That's all delete-notifs is showing me)
ruby plover
nope thats all it was lol
hollow shell
Ok lol
obtuse ember
Yeah
silver silo
ruby plover
okay well that's definitely not allowed, i know this for sure
obtuse ember
I know that
ruby plover
bread sir...... please decease and desist
obtuse ember
Nah
ruby plover
*sigh*
obtuse ember
Im probably gonna get banned
dapper coral
@obtuse ember no. have a warn
obtuse ember
Worth it
ruby plover
alrighty then
silver silo
uh
silver silo
<@!508928682740416514> no. have a warn
did you mean the warn role? because I don't see it on him
dapper coral
did you mean the warn role? because I don't see it on him
discord takes a while to show role updates sometimes, you might need to restart if you really care
but yes leave it to us please :)
silver silo
yeah no problem, wasn't trying to minimod
glass sentinel
oh yeah thats right some times you need to ctrl r
ruby plover
suggested that sex should be added to calamity...
silver silo
torn crown
glossy stone
mfw cringe
grim tusk
Isnt this what Nebulous core is getting next patch?
small timber
i checked change log before posting that, so at the very least it isnt mentioned
cobalt pewter
Yeah neb core will be getting this from gs armor
small timber
oh ok, then i will just delete it
i only checked change log, didnt know it already inherit the effect
cobalt pewter
It will be in 1.5
Along with GS armor changes
But Fab mentioned the neb core changes in a text channel iirc
Not changelogs
grim tusk
sleek turret
god
tawny garden
so many people want it
deft yew
there's a mod for that anyway
fossil finch
Better multiplayer
silver silo
https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842
that gif will never not be funny to me
exotic stag
there's a mod for that anyway
theres even shorter respawn timer
just when your summoning a boss. set the time to be really high and boom
grim tusk
Can we just add that to the donts doc and put it next to the “Just install Evil Begone mod” “just install Calamity’s vanities” sections
primal cairn
Is it a good idea to suggest to add the eidolon wyrm to the boss resprite plans doc because that’s turning into a boss next update, or does that classify as a suggestion regarding future content?
grim tusk
Future content
primal cairn
Ok
fossil finch
It is byeah iban probably won't until 1.5 or whatevs
languid quartz
**word** word
coral musk
`**word**` **word**
thanks
languid quartz
hollow shell
@coral musk Probably should clarify you mean the lore items
hollow shell
Nice
exotic stag
actually lore items are getting replaced though. beastiary
hollow shell
That's later
exotic stag
byeah still good to touch on it
hollow shell
@small timber I'm having trouble understanding the reasoning here
s'not the direction I thought the suggestion was going to take
Adrenaline is a no-hit mechanic, meaning you would have not taken damage for a noticeable amount of time in order to get it
Therefore you would not have taken recent damage upon activation, which would make healing have not much purpose
especially considering that duration of not getting hit will have also had your Potion Sickness ticking down
small timber
based on my own experience, unless you are very experience with the game, you do not necessary obtain adrenaline at full life
frequently for myself i get adrenaline when on half/low life so the healing component makes a lot of sense for me
and from my own testing, even with full regen gear (exclude Regenator and Camper which are special case of regen), you tend to only be able to regen 100 to 200 maximum during the 30 second to gain adrenaline
so without additional healing (such as potion or HotE) adrenaline can reasonably be activated when low of life, especially for average players
while for full life adrenaline will serve its current function as it is: to boost damage significantly without any downside for the change
hollow shell
m
Alright, that's good to hear that you did real testing
small timber
ya, I wanted to make sure that the healing will not make it overcapped/redundant considering it is a no-hit mechanic
especially considering many bosses apply dots (some are relatively long) which nullify regen but do not affect adrenaline, players can regen even lower than 100 sometimes
small timber
tq
sleek wadi
It granting a heal might mess with Iron Heart users, although the heal could just be disabled during Iron Heart
small timber
there is even argument that lifesteal should not work on ironheart, so it will make sense
violet dagger
what
ashen warren
hollow shell
@nimble prawn Come on, man
I'm going to assume you made an intentionally bad sugg as a meme, considering your history
hollow shell
Yes, precisely
nimble prawn
permabanned from terraria discord and tmod
hollow shell
Not something to brag about
nimble prawn
there are social medias i have to use on a vpn
violet dagger
nimble prawn
verbally warned like 10 times here
hollow shell
(You can count this as another one, don't make meme suggs)
hollow shell
You've been told that already
nimble prawn
5 times actually
violet dagger
can you just stop
hollow shell
Okay you can stop now yeah
violet dagger
please
nimble prawn
fine
hollow shell
Okay anyway
crude geode
Disagree with this suggestion personally, as I'm fine with adrenaline being a somewhat niche mechanic and the change in function doesn't particularly sit right with me, but it's valid.
uncut quiver
Idk how I’d feel if I played flawlessly and got rewarded by being healed. I much prefer the hype of dumping a full adrenaline and rocking the boss
I like the clutch moment of doing that much more damage even when I’m at like 100 hp, so I’m not too fond of it only giving the damage boost at full hp (the damage boost of adrenaline is worth going for anyways for any player)
Neat concept though
hollow shell
I think he's still saying you'll get a damage boost during Adren
but it'd be weaker when not at full HP
uncut quiver
Ohh
hollow shell
as a trade-off for the defense and health
uncut quiver
Ok that makes the suggestion a bit better then
Although I have always wondered why adrenaline doesnt give a speed boost on activation
Though as long as it gives some sort of damage boost, I’d be down for it acting as a second wind reward for popping off
small timber
ya you will still receive damage boost (based on my suggestion), and at full power like current version when full hp so that flawless player do not feel penalized for playing perfectly
uncut quiver
That’s an alright suggestion, I can fuck with that
torn crown
What about people intentionally getting hit with full adrenaline to get that halved damage bonus?
not that bad of a problem, but it gets more apparent with people that use stress pills~~/Drae's Heart~~
small timber
my suggestion did not specified that but probably no effect at all, don't see why the suggestion will affect the passive DR it give on full adrenaline (except maybe the amount of it)
and even then they can just increase passive DR so that it match the current version
torn crown
my suggestion did not specified that but probably no effect at all, don't see wh...
it's not passive DR, it's an outright 1/2 cut of damage that doesn't affect the DR system
||or at least that's what the wiki says, I've tried it myself and it seems to do the thing consistently||
small timber
ya for that I think no change at all, my suggestion don't contradict that mechanic
torn crown
ah I see
small timber
I think the mechanic you referring to is what I referred as "passive DR"
small timber
the "DR" I referred to in my suggestion is this DR you mention, I did not specified it because this DR mechanic is currently exist
I pick careful wording of "its current DR apply to active duration", not "give DR to active duration"
torn crown
yeah I was mentioning something else
wait now I'm confused
I thought your sugg meant the 50-65% DR you get when it's activated?
small timber
let's just use a different word to avoid confusion, let's use "damage mitigation" for the full adrenliane, half damage taken mechanic
the suggestion is for the "damage mitigation" to apply during the active duration (but maybe not as strong as 50-65%)
while for the "passive damage mitigation" which proc when you get hit on full adrenaline it can keep its value as it is, my suggestion don't contradict that
otherwise if Adrenaline simply give Dr it will very quickly faced diminishing return due to Calamity's DR soft cap
small timber
I think I will adjust my suggestion slightly to avoid confusion, because DM is significantly different from DR
small timber
@uncut minnow wrong channel
uncut minnow
small timber
also lore items are not getting removed, just their effect i think
grim tusk
I’d say the defensive boost being also when adren active is alright, but i disagree with the dmg being lower when not at full hp, you dodged the amount needed to get the big dmg you should get the big dmg
Also cadence + rums and the candle also give strong regen
Photosynthesis during day also is strong
Ampoule is also very strong
exotic stag
I’d say the defensive boost being also when adren active is alright, but i disag...
my favorite. if you dont dodge big damage. you do less damage with your big damage. my favorite caveman explanation. and yes this is true.
also why wouldnt you be at full hp with adren unless you have like
0 regen
grim tusk
-1 regen from alcohols
grim tusk
also why wouldnt you be at full hp with adren unless you have like
And IH abuse
But IH sucks lol
People just only side it with arma to either meme or abuse certain items
small timber
since you guys are probably much more experienced than me, I will just stat the idea of the suggestion directly instead of what is quoted, the main point is to help "average players" as the full dps version of adrenaline cannot be fully utilized by them (unless the boss is already low on health), while for very good player it is a massive dps boost on 30 sec cd.
My initial idea come from the fact that there is always noticable dip in dps after adrenaline (due to reactive DR), which can result in the long-term dps not as high as it seems. Thus, the proposal is to basically not make the adrenaline damage boost as high (but still relatively high) while providing alternative benefits
grim tusk
Now thats sounds more intriguing
small timber
and the idea that i come out with is basically a "second wind" effect, if you are very low on life it help you recover while if you are high on life you probably is doing fine
grim tusk
Yea seems good
small timber
(which is why the regen scale with hp), and especially considering not all player are aware of all regen effect in the game, their regen tend to not be high, usually around 9
grim tusk
Thats why i always use rum
small timber
in my testing I use POST-DOG accessories, cadence, yharim stim and food, campfire, all life regen boost gear (except regenator and camper) against Prov and I only get around 9 hp regen (and lower because rev), about 150 hp regen over 30 sec which is not high but not low, hence the adrenaline recovery is based on current hp
for drunken princess is debatable, it is famous but not necessarily all players are aware of it, hence i did not include fabsol alcohols and candle
also excluded community as it is a relatively rare accessory that not all players will aim for, same for photosynthesis as it can have a relatively hard to get recipe (unless you zerg it and specifically farm for it)
grim tusk
The candle and rums are very strong
small timber
ya indeed
small timber
i mean nebula is a different beast
small timber
wait a sec trying to remember
I tried to be as "basic" as possible to simulate what an average player will equip, instead of super defensive or offensive focus
grim tusk
Sponge, bloodflare core, evolution, etc
The most average is 2 movement, 2 defense 2 dmg and a filler
If we talk #calamity-mod-talk average its glass cannon but wrong
small timber
tracers, sponge, affliction, core of bloodgod, 1 class accessory (gaunlet/quiver...), asgardian aegis, rampart
grim tusk
Why asgardian
sleek turret
that's fine
grim tusk
Elysian has more regen
grim tusk
But other than that its fine
small timber
"normal player" will upgrade it, at least what I assume
sleek turret
yes, elysian has more regen just for 1 single point that probably doesn't matter imo
grim tusk
Tru
tardy smelt
"normal player" will upgrade it, at least what I assume
Yeah
exotic stag
"normal player" will upgrade it, at least what I assume
yes always focus on the average player. good thought
instead of personal experience (which you shouldn't do.) focus on the community
try to make it so that someone wont go "ugh i hate this ima go to their discord and suggest a change about it"
small timber
i think the main difference maker will be photosynthesis, i underestimated how much the standing still life regen it give, only accounted for moving
tested juts now
gray nebula
I'm sure it will not impact mode size that much
this will litterally double the amount of sprites
gray nebula
ok but we have like a truckload of sprites
next goblet
thats true yes
next goblet
gray nebula
Like for the exo mechs we have
the exo twins who both have gigantic sheets like that
ares with his gigantic sheet as well
- gigantic sheets for his 4 arms
- double that for their glowmasks
thats 14 roughly 2k^2 size sheets
for one bossfight
awesome
next goblet
I get it 
gray nebula
also i mean this doesnt really sound like something wed do in the main mod lol
like
wy
it just sounds like you're looking for someone that can make an addon for the filter pack thing
fallow hedge
image filtering like this tends to be inaccurate and, dare I say, ugly
gray nebula
I mean yea i agree i find the filter pack to look kinda ugly but thats besides the point
next goblet
image filtering like this tends to be inaccurate and, dare I say, ugly
I've been using it for vanilla for like 2 years and all I can say is it looks really beautiful. but thats just my personal opinion
thats why I said its a personal suggestion
was just giving it a shot
gray nebula
ya but this is a personal suggestion for a big mod so ye
id try to find someone that can make a calamity addon for this
fair cradle
First suggestion after lurking around and playing through the mod a bunch to get a feel for things...
Posted!
small timber
although it is a small change (and personally do not find problem with it), it can be rough as there is specific rule against a suggestion only for reference
exotic stag
seems just like a "reference for the sake of a reference"
small timber
i think you can add additional reasoning like "avoid spoilers", at the very least some sort of strong reason
exotic stag
second one i think its just because sulphuric rolls of the tongue better then sulfuric
even though its misspelt
fair cradle
Hmm. Maybe? F is sharper than Ph so it makes sense.
small timber
and the scp part should probably be deleted, just so others will not use it as a reason to redact your suggestion
exotic stag
and yeah terraria saying exactly what it does is normal
it says that every time
because players will think y'know somethng strange is going on with their game otherwise
(secret seeds are ignored.)
small timber
true
fair cradle
and yeah terraria saying exactly what it does is normal
Yeah, that's one of my points.
"Generating structures"
"Placing rocks in the dirt"
"Generating P L A N T S"
"Settling liquids"
All of those are part of worlgen. And then there's, uh,
"Sulphuric Sea"
with zero context
small timber
probably "Abyss" too or i misremembered
fair cradle
^^
exotic stag
Yeah, that's one of my points.
"Generating structures"
"Placing rocks in the di...
well i think you could suggest something like "infecting the beach" (since sulphur sea is something like a radiation infection almost)
(with how much radiated things there are)
silver silo
probably "Abyss" too or i misremembered
a b y s s
exotic stag
yeah instead of making "references" just make it something simple
like "creating sulphur sea" or "installing the abyss"
simple stuff like that
small timber
oh god
fair cradle
perfect
exotic stag
well giving ideas for the worldgen name is alright here
Radiating an ocean seems better though (since sulphur sea is like a radiated sea)
exotic stag
yes
small timber
one not so often use hardmode armor thats about it
exotic stag
literally the only thing is like enchanted pearl and thats still pre hardmode
yeah four items
exotic stag
would anyone be open to the idea of that changing
are you saying to make victide have more "Sea themed" uses?
silver silo
in hardmode yes
exotic stag
sure i dont see why not
small timber
i think victide is mostly intended for pre-hardmode, but you can try that, since there is also suggestion for sunken sea mats to be more useful in hardmode
silver silo
whether through new items or adding it to other existing recipes
exotic stag
and also like.. most of the ore bars are also useful in hardmode
silver silo
simply because you'll end up with a stack of it with no use
exotic stag
other then wulfrum
silver silo
i think victide is mostly intended for pre-hardmode, but you can try that, since...
could always double as a ''sunken sea mats'' suggestion right
just with a mention of bars specifically
exotic stag
so not really a money working thing
im not gonna argue with more uses for pre hardmode items
i guess sea themed items?
silver silo
are there any hardmode sea items that could have victide included in the recipe?
exotic stag
uh let me check
small timber
(possibly) hardmode sunken sea, and maybe leavithan if they give some mats (which they dont)
or depth cells and lumenyl items can work too
exotic stag
what could be done is use victide for maybe some way to easy summon anahita and levi rather then waiting on siren. but thats just my opinion tbf
exotic stag
yeah any like "sea themed" items
silver silo
its a question of ''should they''
but hey cant hurt to suggest right
in items like that it makes sense considering it already has victide materials in it lol
small timber
it can work, if some of their sea theme component are replaced with victide (like Mariana) it can make it easier to get, since chances are you spent your corals,starfish etc on making victide
silver silo
true
exotic stag
yeah if they have majority of the ingredients then sure
small timber
@fair magnet wrong channel
exotic stag
but biome blade (which just uses coral) is aight
(i just realized coral has the most "recipes")
(while seashells have the least)
small timber
biome blade might be an exception (it deliberately used simple mats) but ya other coral recipe can work
silver silo
yeah biome blade is an exception
exotic stag
or what if we have the option to like
use the ingredients of victide in more recipes
since in total seashells and starfish have 5 recipes.
3 if you minus victide bar.
silver silo
I mean sure but thats basically the opposite to my suggestion
silver silo
🤷♂️
fair magnet
<@!624373719892230145> wrong channel
Oops :)
silver silo
what if there was a hardmode arrow/bullet that used victide in its recipe, that inflicts crush depth and moves faster in water
🤔
deft yew
post-calamisus
silver silo
(or just prehardmode ones that do the same just without crush depth)
deft yew
can get like 150 with one lumenyl and 1-2 depth cells
silver silo
is there any arrow in the game already that moves faster than the others in water?
deft yew
i think not
small timber
i think acceleration rounds kind of count as victide, due to use of victory shard
kind of
silver silo
🤔
small timber
and superball
but pre-hardmode calamity arrows is definitely lacking
in fact apparently there is none
silver silo
🤨
deft yew
oh dang
silver silo
sus
what if
victide arrows move faster underwater
and victide bullets inflict crush depth underwater
🤔
small timber
victide arrow need to do more than just faster underwater since jester ignore water physics
victide with crush depth seems fine since the debuff is weaker in pre-hardmode
silver silo
well I'd suggest faster AND crush depth but then what would the bullets have
are bullets slowed underwater too?
small timber
most pre-hardmode arrows are
silver silo
bullets
small timber
bullets no
only slightly, but will not be selling point for a bullet that work better in underwater
gray nebula
why doe
can't it remain an early game material used for early game stuff
🤨
it's just like wulfrum
silver silo
no offence to john wulfrum but victide is cooler
also its a bar and the other bars kind of keep use beyond early game right
distant gyro
aerialite is hardly relevant
distant gyro
even life alloy bars are just mainly used for the purpose of life alloy
wulfrum is especially justifiable though
it would be pretty frustrating if you don't have wulfrum and you reach a point where wulfrum stuff stop existing in mass
small timber
ya sadly, it is very specific case, hard to justify to the crowd
it can see niche justification, just not necessary considered needed for most people
silver silo
yeah it literally isnt needed at all lol
fossil finch
Can we get a mod
silver silo
no
hollow shell
wew, over an hour
@next goblet You need to provide more reasoning in your suggestion for why we should do this
Right now it looks like its entirely because you'd like to use it?
earnest raptor
What is a filtered sprite
I think this texture pack exists as counterpart to Faithful for Minecraft
making things more smooth/high-res without affecting game's artstyle at large
small timber
i think the idea sounds great but can generally be hard to execute, a ammo that interact with walls is probably nightmare to code (if you mean background walls) while ammo that bounce off/interact with water/custom water physics might not necessarily be useful
basically although they can be interesting, it is hard to make them useful
for ammunition that works like lasers as of currently it is weapon bound, and there is not really a point to turn all weapons into laser as of currently
next goblet
Right now it looks like its entirely because *you'd* like to use it?
i did mention its a personal suggestion, so yes. BUT im sure there's others who prefer it filtered as well 
. o O ( 
)
hollow shell
I guess you can explain what a filtered sprite is and why you think that people would like to use it
Like, why is it appealing, to you?
next goblet
everything abt is mentioned in this resource pack: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/hq2x-and-other-image-filter-packs.51557/
basically upscaled then downscaled in a way that hides the pixelation
this pack has been around since 2016 but its quite infamous
bold cypress
revert the crystyl crusher to just being a really fast and really powerful pickaxe
hollow shell
Okay but explain it in your sugg Omie so people don't have to follow a link in order to understand
Viewer retention and all that
And, kinda
I understand why they're asking for that
Current Crystyl standard mining on right-click is much slower than it was before the laser rework
small timber
oh sry, I thought he meant insta destruction beam
hollow shell
because of how Terraria handles right-clicks
next goblet
well I'll just show what the filter looks like, with the picture attached in the forum thread
very noticable smoothing around the edges, while keeping sprite resolution the same
hollow shell
oh sry, I thought he meant insta destruction beam
The problem is that, in order to give it the old mining speed, the beam needs to be removed
hollow shell
well I'll just show what the filter looks like, with the picture attached in the...
Yeah that'd probably be fine
hollow shell
RIP builders
bold cypress
i also dont like the giant laser
hollow shell
Crystyl's still supposed to be the ultimate pickaxe
small timber
#suggestions-discussion message someone is definitely crying right now 
bold cypress
the laser should be removed
hollow shell
Why do you not like it
earnest raptor
the laser should be removed
bold cypress
i dont want a pickaxe that destroys everything, i could just use explosives for that
next goblet
well after having a discussion with XT-00 earlier, I am convinced that my suggestion is really hard to implement, and its better to find someone (or learn myself how) to make it as a separate plugin for calamity instead
hollow shell
i dont want a pickaxe that destroys everything, i could just use explosives for ...
🤔
But it's different from explosives and potentially more effective
bold cypress
well, the laser is also not the most precise
hollow shell
You know the right-click mining does work like a normal pickaxe right?
s'got problems as I mentioned before but its functionality as a pick is totally fine
small timber
a better suggestion will probably to add a new powerful pickaxe that is purely mining speed based, rather than changing crystyl crusher
hollow shell
well after having a discussion with XT-00 earlier, I am convinced that my sugges...
Indeed..
earnest raptor
honestly
bold cypress
also
earnest raptor
I found crystyl laser rather weird
it sometimes does not mine things in front of me
or it doesn't let me fly through the stone
hollow shell
I know it had problems with block collision in the past but they may have been fixed?
If not in public release then probably 1.5
earnest raptor
maybe because I used fargo's hyper mode
hollow shell
oh pfff
earnest raptor
maybe because I used fargo's hyper mode
it also breaks calamity's drills Ig
they mine superfast and release 60 luxor gift projectiles per second
bold cypress
as we all know, there are a lot of mods. some of those mods have weapons that have special interactions with immunity frames. calamity also has weapons that have special interactions with immunity frames, but way more complex.
earnest raptor
the most fun bug was 3 calamitas at once
uncut quiver
a better suggestion will probably to add a new powerful pickaxe that is purely m...
Shadowspec digging claws
hollow shell
as we all know, there are a lot of mods. some of those mods have weapons that ha...
Go on?
bold cypress
for example: some weapons give enemies less immunity frames, allowing them to hit enemies more often, some ignore them entirely, and some can only hit an NPC every x amount of frames
uncut quiver
so what are you getting at
did I miss something bc I scrolled up and im still confused
hollow shell
He's getting to his point I assume
earnest raptor
I think 1st and 3rd as the same, just in different directions
small timber
just my personal opinion, but I think it is difficult to make ammo interesting as it need to be usable on all weapons
while weapons do not have the limitation since it is only limited to itself
bold cypress
i Personally think that this should be simplified, i dont know how to explain how, and honestly i feel drained
small timber
just lightly explain your concern, we can help interpret it
hollow shell
Yeah that's where I thought this was goin
We do have a lot of different systems to work with i-frames
The player isn't really meant to memorize them all
bold cypress
just
small timber
i will just guess from your initial sentence what you want to say, a weapon/accessory that add or reduce enemy iframe?
bold cypress
no not even that
small timber
a more simplified formula for i-frame?
bold cypress
yes
bold cypress
a more simplified formula for i-frame?
this
tardy smelt
we talkin' i-frames huh?
hollow shell
Rework the existing systems to all use the same method instead of 3 different methods
and make that same method have less variable possibilities
ig
tardy smelt
(lemme read up chat rq and see if I can make any worthwhile contribution to this conversation 
)
hollow shell
The problem is they probably have these systems for a reason
bold cypress
and they do not make sense
small timber
i think the i-frame will generally not be a problem whatsoever, weapons are balanced around the i-frame they produce independently, the only potential problem is with minions
tardy smelt
The problem is they probably have these systems for a reason
^
if you try to impose a standard norm you'll have to start rebalancing
and then there's minions
earnest raptor
isn't this weapon post-DoG?
bold cypress
dog is post moonlord
tardy smelt
and then there's minions
with their notorious I-frame issues... they pretty much require having these unique I-frame systems to be decent
uncut quiver
I think having iframes simplified is a good idea
tardy smelt
even vanilla does this
uncut quiver
Anything that gives the mod less clutter and more clarity makes it feel like more of an authentic product (similar to my DoT suggestion)
earnest raptor
hence the "change" after ML
yeah, but sorta confusing
uncut quiver
Idk why i say product when its free but you know what i mean
tardy smelt
earnest raptor
yeah, but sorta confusing
maybe it should be separate entries for true oathblade and devil's devastation
hollow shell
myeah, not a bad idea
A bit inefficient code-wise but, w/e
bold cypress
speaking of immunity frames, i think that adding an item (to apoth and friends since its not been updated in a year) that removes all i-frames, both from the player and enemies would be cool
earnest raptor
like yharim swords are separate
small timber
have one that remove from player, one that remove enemy i-frame can be obtained from other mod (probably gonna murder most enemy too)
earnest raptor
speaking of immunity frames, i think that adding an item (to apoth and friends s...
there is a mod for that
bold cypress
i dont think it works right with calamity
keen zealot
well I'll just show what the filter looks like, with the picture attached in the...
ew
earnest raptor
like yharim swords are separate
also, I just noticed again
why yharim's sword is only post-Provi?
is this a replica?
then why it's true?
earnest raptor
2034*
keen zealot
2069*
hollow shell
2077
bold cypress
na thatll be in 2500
earnest raptor
you won an auction!
hollow shell
byeah ironically the "True" Tyrants Ultisword is also not True
keen zealot
then call it something else
bold cypress
when Yharim gets added make it so that one of his drops is like
"broken tyrants blade"
earnest raptor
drops
I don't think Yharim will die in traditional sense
bold cypress
what
earnest raptor
ok
keen zealot
> drops
I don't think Yharim will die in traditional sense
just because you don't die doesn't mean you don't also drop things when defeated
bold cypress
just because you don't die doesn't mean you don't also drop things when defeated
if we dont get yharim gore sprites i will destroy the fabric of time
earnest raptor
he will probably explode then revive just to piss off terrarian
small timber
i mean it will make some sense, considering silva has death prevention and yharim is basically auric-tesla man
hollow shell
anyway
hollow shell
Yes
keen zealot
oversight probably
I find titan to be a really annoying effect most of the time so I'm okay with it
hollow shell
No it's explicitly minion KB in the source
earnest raptor
while titan is 50% to everything
hollow shell
The thing is
I don't know if there's a way to boost knockback and have it stack with Titan?
All examples of knockback boosting I'm seeing in the Calamity source are boosted minion knockback (by a number) or enabling the Titan Potion effect (setting it to true)
hollow shell
Oh, that's just that effect specifically
Those are also instances of seeing the calming potion's buff effect to true
earnest raptor
so it's not like something unusual for calamity to override vanilla potions
hollow shell
Titan Scale exists, just wanna mention
hollow shell
(in fact the wiki doesn't state that Titan Scale gives the same boost as Titan and therefore doesn't stack, lemme add that)
uncut quiver
@earnest raptor it'd be cool to have more unique ammo options besides "here's the ammo type you use for this tier, it does this thing which usually just means extra damage"
and environment interaction is a neat route to go
like adding ammo that triggers wire when it passes it
or ammo that can go through blocks but has some sort of big drawback
keen zealot
like adding ammo that triggers wire when it passes it
that's called cyan pressure plate
bold cypress
ammo that deals less or no damage, but inflicts debuffs
drowsy plank
so frostspark bullets...?
uncut quiver
that's called cyan pressure plate
woops lmao
I more just thought of it triggering the wire of a specific color
So you’d have 4 colors of wire bullets or something
And when that bullet passes that color wire, it activates it
Off the wall sugg but it’s fun to think about
As to go off of the debuff idea, have a bullet/arrow type where you have to land x amount of it on a target to inflict a certain debuff
but for utility ammo to be usable there needs to be a way to either swap ammo quickly or assign ammo to weapons
drowsy plank
we have both of these already with frostspark inflicting debuffs and superball bouncing off walls???
bold cypress
mortar rounds, but make them not destroy everything
uncut quiver
When did I suggest wall bouncing?
drowsy plank
i dunno someone mentioned it
uncut quiver
Fair
drowsy plank
but it feels like the suggestions was made without actually like
looking at the ammo types we already have
uncut quiver
I guess but I see what they’re going at
And yea just bc we have one bullet type that applies one debuff (that doesn’t stack) doesn’t mean we can’t have more options
bold cypress
hitscan ammo
uncut quiver
Frostspark bullets fall under “here’s the bullets you use for this tier, here is their gimmick”
drowsy plank
high velocity bullets
uncut quiver
Nobody is swapping between frostspark to apply the debuff
Also yea hitscan is just high velocity
uncut quiver
Another debuffing bullet that’s actually vanilla is nano bullets
now confusion is great so maybe they could be used but I think what we would need is a way to quickly swap ammo
Dont worry about adding new ammo types
If you want to encourage diverse ammo usage then make switching between ammo types clean and easy
Bc as cognitive said we already have some diverse stuff
drowsy plank
i remember there being some accessory in another mod i played like. once. where you had a hotkey that let you swap between your ammo types
which would probably be the smoothest way to do such a thing, but i can't imagine it'd be the easiest thing to do
keen zealot
now confusion is great so maybe they could be used but I think what we would nee...
ammo swapper mod
keen zealot
this is something that suggesters should consider always
I've seen waaaaay too many suggestions pushed in that are already fixed by other BIG QoL mods and don't really have any place in calamity
uncut quiver
Makes sense
Not planning on delivering a sugg like that anyways bc the diverse ammo was the other dude’s idea and he already posted it
I’ll stick to my DoT ultimatum
uncut quiver
Yea my sugg aims to fix that and remove the clutter of just slapping DoTs on everything
thick river
My idea: maybe hit a hotkey and it pops up with a list of all ammo in your inventory and then you click which one you wanna switch to
And maybe make it so that you have to have a certain item on your inventory for it to work
keen zealot
too slow
hotkey should be a one-tap to allow for quick switching during fights
if you have to stop firing it's hardly better than vanilla
and again, ammo swapper already exists
thick river
Ok fair
novel moth
the only mod I've seen rework it right is TRAE
TRAE doesn't rework DoT
it buffs most HM DoT but nothing's reworked
grim tusk
Laser bullets:
Luminite and soon GS slugs (if they are similar to what they are rn (via cheating em in))
Bouncing bullets:
rubber mortar rounds (this ones also delete blocks, as well as their non rubber cousin), superball bullets
Rockets I and III do not break blocks
Only vanquisher arrows, napalm and (technically by splitting) and elysian arrows spawn stuff, terra also split
Idk what you want with your sugg and you should address these ammos on that sugg
@earnest raptor
hollow shell
Sand Tortoises are not really recolors but the sprites are indeed very similar
@fair magnet You could use a bit more reason to your suggestion, especially with regards to that bit about giving it a new drop
You should explain why it needs to have these changes
(also, "For drops, they could drop either the same drops as normal tortoises...". They do. Giant Tortoises and Sand Tortoises both only drop Turtle Shells)
bold cypress
idea
for the problem of 'iframes are too complex', have a setting that allows you to turn off weapons excessively complex i-frame interactions, (meaning that they behave like normal weapons with adjusted stats to match)
wooden wedge
wouldnt that be complete ass to balance
also why
if it would literally have the same effect
frozen hornet
That also means the team will have twice as much stuff to balance
distant gyro
what does it even mean by excessively complex iframes
wooden wedge
yes.
distant gyro
does that mean like, iframes that may actively fuck with others iframe or not like evigil
wooden wedge
@bold cypress theres a reason why they need to use "complex iframe interactions"
distant gyro
because that seems simple: just remove the actively terrible iframes
fair magnet
Sand Tortoises are not really recolors but the sprites are indeed very similar
Yes but not the giant tortoise shells or fabled tortoise shell, that’s what I meant
Also the reason it annoys me is because it doesn’t fit in with the rest of the enemies with its chunky pixel texture
Fossilized/Ancient tortoise shell could give less defense, but give more fall speed and faster dodge
Stats explanation: Since the shell would be fossilized, it would be brittle so less defense, faster dodge and fall speed because of the tortoise launch
You could merge it with frog leg and other early pml materials for a good movement accessory
fair magnet
Ok
hollow shell
You should leave that open for the devs to decide, and just provide the idea that it get a unique item
fossil finch
Fabled Tortoise shell won't exist anymore (as fabled tortoise shell, it's being moved to be brimmy's challenge drop in 1.5)
hollow shell
And, true, its sprite is horrifically upscaled in-game
It could use a larger base sprite
torn crown
torn crown
'ery nice
radiant meadow
I also did the suggestion about red devils dropping demonic bone ash
(very important)
torn crown
You mean you outright did it or were you the one to advocate it in devmocracy?
torn crown
Epico
small timber
since it is not in the change log but might be in other channel, is it ever mentioned that Fabsol's Vodka will get flavour text to indicate the possibility of it being an item required to spawn an npc?
radiant meadow
I don't think so
the tooltip in the test version is "Boosts all damage stats by 8% but lowers defense by 10%, Increases immune time after being struck" which I'm pretty sure is the public tooltip
small timber
although there is a single instance of my suggestion in the past, I think it probably is still valid
since that suggestion focus on the name change rather than the tooltip
keen zealot
@small timber damage increase is wrath potion, not rage
little things like that tend to bother me and make me not vote for the sugg
small timber
tq
crude geode
That’s such a petty reason to not vote for a suggestion, considering it’s not really relevant to the sugg
loud cloak
should i mention that my suggestion is about a developer ite,
exotic stag
i think mrrp is still here is he not?
if mrrp is here then you'll have to ask them
although i dont see the problem with adding that tbf
eh ig wait till rover does his analyzation
small timber
permission to buff or nerf is not required, and I think this can be considered as a buff
exotic stag
or just a patch.
loud cloak
yea
eternal escarp
less of a buff more of just an inconsistency fix yeah
i think this should be fine
glossy stone
I'm down for it tbh
I mean, it can only be good
And it'll certainly help in, like, IH runs maybe?
loud cloak
true
exotic stag
yeah it seems were all fine with just the patch
inner lark
Is this a good suggestion?:
Change the way the sentinels of the devourer act after defeating them
Simply put, the first time a sentinel is defeated, they should drop their loot and fly off the screen. That way, it explains why the sentinels you fought have been weakened for the DoG fight. Only after the sentinel portion of the DoG fight does the status message '[Sentinel] has been defeated' appear
torn crown
Seems good enough- yeah
Pairing this with the "Sentinels Patrolling Their Biome" sugg (which is currently 🛠️), the sentinel encounter would look really thematic
small timber
this is just my opinion but you can add that it also solve the plothole that the sentinels seemingly revive themselves during the DoG fight, since the devs are strongly against the idea of DoG seemingly dying and resurrect during phase 1 and 2 transition so it fit their design
inner lark
Unless the sentinels have that one anime moment where they gain the mental resolve to make a last stand, theres no reason for them to be alive
ashen warren
Pairing this with the "Sentinels Patrolling Their Biome" sugg (which is currentl...
Pretty sure fab said he isn't doing that
torn crown
uh, there doesn't seem to be an actual confirmation here
small timber
i think it can be interpreted as "time is limited, he would rather work on content update than purely aesthetic stuff like this that people might not care for now"
torn crown
- the sugg states that you can't harm the sentinels and neither can they, until you use the RoK
contrary to
Accidentally attacking them, for one in multiplayer it would be a nuisance
fossil finch
I remember @vocal grotto initially saying he'd code that in so idk maybe ask them
Maybe it's simply coming for a later release
hollow shell
if mrrp is here then you'll have to ask them
eh yeah I don't think this needs his permission. It's not a change to the item's design, more just filling in an inconsistency
vocal grotto
I remember <@564267767042277385> initially saying he'd code that in so idk maybe...
The intent is for it to more of a visual event of sorts to spice up the world rather than an actual trigger for the fight unless you explicitly initiate it with the summoning item
Though it won't be implemented in this update
fossil finch
👍
ashen warren
@sturdy delta try giving some reasoning??
half sage
oh boy a suggestion with literally no reasoning
half sage
ah yes
ashen warren
Explain WHY
half sage
very thorough
ashen warren
Or just remove the sugg
sturdy delta
safe oasis
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/711268703991365642/9030098748819...
yet aquatic scourge exists and voodoo dolls accidentally dropping in lava is still a thing?
impressively inconsistent design philosophy
tardy smelt
The intent is for it to more of a visual event of sorts to spice up the world ra...
yeah exactly
tardy smelt
impressively inconsistent design philosophy
WElComEtOTeRRarriA 
ok but in all seriousness
terraria's the literal champion of inconsistent design philosophies
not as inconsistent as majority of horror games.
tardy smelt
yeah
it's kind of charming to an extent
or rather
it gives terraria its charm
in that it never sticks to one theme but instead surprises you with the weirdest, wackiest and most wonderfully varied content
exotic stag
yep
tardy smelt
in that it never sticks to one theme but instead surprises you with the weirdest...
although the delivery varies in quality it's been enough to steal the hearts of so many people
exotic stag
calamity uses terrarias inconsistencies and evolves them into being consistent
tardy smelt
ehh not quite
but it defo's fixes the design flaws
or well, a number of them at least
then again what's a flaw?
that's really a subjective thing
but I like what calams does to vanilla
pastel cedar
I like that sentinel idea, it makes more sense than defeating them twice
ashen warren
Yeah.
I can't suggest it because future content lol, but I think it would be interesting to have SW attack wyverns when they're nearby.
deft yew
bro that sounds neat
imagine that occurs while it's patrolling or whatever
so it only cares about you because you're irritating
ashen warren
Yeah.
ruby plover
I don’t know if this is like… big enough to be a suggestion. But. It would be cool if polterghast’s map icon turned wherever he looked, similar to plantera. Especially since they move similarly
hollow shell
Plantera's map icon rotates?
ruby plover
Yeah
ruby plover
Okay cool
keen zealot
Plantera's map icon rotates?
skeletron and prime do as well
hollow shell
Yes I knew about those
ruby plover
Oh yeah, when they spin
hollow shell
A fine suggestion.
frail mantle
this change is more of a parity thing more than anything else
i feel like something like consistency would fit better here
hollow shell
parity is a fine word to use for this
ruby plover
Eh, I changed it to have both because why not
hollow shell
That works
coral musk
i don't use minimap but will be good that polter icon rotate
fossil finch
You right.
0p screenshot funne
exotic stag
actually i just remembered, this should also affect all polterghast forms (for mattiks sugg). so may wanna add that because people may think just polterghasts phase 1 (wheres hes referred to polterghast. not the rest)
crude geode
I mean.
When I refer to beating polterghast I refer to defeating the entirety of the boss. Same logic applies here.
ruby plover
i mean i consider all forms of it as "polterghast", but i guess i could add in the clone though? but i mean it's also polterghast...
crude geode
Even the wiki just refers to the boss as polterghast.
small timber
i dont think adding mud and fallen star will make much sense for biome blade (if you want to make it harder to get)
the hardest material is hellstone which is (supposedly) post evil bosses, at that point they should be well supplied on mud and fallen stars or most other materials
rather it would make the biome blade crafting materials more consistent with the biome blade effect itself, since it do have biome effect on jungle and sulphur sea
so some kind of jungle material (like spores) + sulphur/abyss pre-hardmode materials will make more sense, although not necessary make biome blade "harder to get"
small timber
spawning more ores (or respawning ores) in general can be slightly problematic considering their spawn mechanic is basically replacing blocks, so the ores may take others' place to spawn very quickly, though the idea of the suggestion itself is fine
However I think one thing you can address is the fact that ore slimes spawn after defeating their respectively bosses to serve as alternative source to get the ores, so you can also suggest that make these ore slimes spawn more frequently in their respective biome
steep iron
oh yeah i forgot about the ore slimes thanks for the feedback, i will update my suggestion
fossil finch
I don't think this is a good idea
Post dog is already bloated with options next update
This wouldn't help
small timber
new materials are dropping post dog so buffing frost and pumpkin moon weapons do not make much sense
glass sentinel
and the fact that if this were to be added it would be probably akin to the scaling feature some weps already have and that would mean beating dog instantly gifts you with post buffed-moon weapons
steep iron
I disagree with Pumpkin moon and Frost moon weapons being buffed it really just doesnt make much sense as there are plenty more weapons you can get
ruby plover
Plus, some frost and pumpkin moon weaps can get crafted into more powerful weaps with their respective energy/fuel
E.g. upgrade to raven staff
steep iron
yeah exactly
they already have another purpose later on in the mod so there isnt a need to give them more damage
ruby plover
Also I’m pretty sure making items scale stats with progression is a “don’t” for suggestions. My memory may have failed me tho
steep iron
pretty sure it is
frozen hornet
ye you can't suggest to make weapons scale
torn crown
I wonder what #suggestions-posting looks like to people with betterdiscord plugins
full pivot
I wonder what <#699359022364491868> looks like to people with betterdiscord plug...
wdym
torn crown
there are some plugins that basically allow you to see deleted messages
or at least from what I heard
torn crown
it's probably gonna be a message line as deep as the abyss
exotic stag
I wonder what <#699359022364491868> looks like to people with betterdiscord plug...
likely a bunch of exclammed suggs or scams y'know.
eternal escarp
they already have another purpose later on in the mod so there isnt a need to gi...
(or earlier, see the Impaler as the upgrade for the Stake Launcher)
eternal escarp
@ashen iron theres a mod that does this exactly iirc?
regardless, you need to give proper reasoning to your suggestions
ashen iron
ah my bad
ashen iron
<@!94245814037131264> theres a mod that does this exactly iirc?
regardless, you ...
what is that mod called?
eternal escarp
hell if i remember, i just vaguely remember a mod stating it can do such
ashen iron
perfect i will look into it then thanks!
frail mantle
i think it's just called where's my items
outer falcon
most suggestions are just skill issue, change my mind
weak field
Skill issue isn't funny anymore, change my mind
steep iron
add water molecules to the game 🙏
runic wraith
they are already in the game
you can't see it with the naked eye for reasons that you saw in primary school
steep iron
wrong channel broski
eternal escarp
(well he didnt format it like an actual sugg so)
steep iron
(i know i just did that but shut it)
eternal escarp
( #suggestions-posting would be the wrong channel aswell)
steep iron
hmmmmmmm
eternal escarp
((unless they format the sugg correctly ofc))
steep iron
(((what is a sugg)))
eternal escarp
sugg(estion)
steep iron
O(k))
for the chest searching thing there’s already a bunch of mods that do that
or just use magic storage
grim tusk
@ashen warren adding scaling weapons is a dont, and besides plenty of the moon stuff has a post-ML upgrade
Such as: Raven staff -> Corvid harbinger
Horseman’s blade -> Last Mourning
Razorpine -> Mistlestorm
eternal escarp
(some upgrade before hand like Stake Launcher)
grim tusk
(Aint it only stake launcher and snowman cannon?)
eternal escarp
(prolly)
some weapons dont upgrade at all tho iirc, like the Jack-O'-Launcher and the Candy Corn Rifle or whatever
and some upgrade after DoG, like the Chain Gun i think which becomes post-yharon next update i believe
grim tusk
Helstorm
frozen hornet
mmm
grim tusk
Oh wait helstorm is the gun
eternal escarp
ye
deft yew
actually i found impaler very respectable
eternal escarp
Impaler is great yeah
grim tusk
Yea its great
eternal escarp
byeah Helstorm is the Scoria gun
deft yew
sea's searing still outperformed it lol
eternal escarp
legendary weapon moment
deft yew
more of a searing specifically moment in my experience
seriously did it get nerfed in 1.5
grim tusk
Probably
inner lark
@ashen iron think theres already a mod with yer suggestion in it
Chippy has done letsplays while using such a mod
I think it's called wheres my items
thick river
Also magic storage
full pivot
@ashen iron 1. formatting 2. where's my items is a mod that exists
small timber
isnt the frost and pumpkin moon one supposed to get an exclamation mark? since it is asking for weapon that scale with progression (somewhat)
hollow shell
Not necessarily, that Don't is more for stuff like the Community or the old mechanic of Legendary Weapons
Where it gets buffed throughout the entire game
But uh yeah I do heavily disagree with the sugg anyway cuz the materials you get from the buffed events make tons of new weapons
half sage
and all of the pumpkin/frost moon weapons have upgrades anyway
hardy dock
hollow shell
(I'll delete it)
crude geode
But uh yeah I do heavily disagree with the sugg anyway cuz the materials you get...
plus some weapons are upgraded via the new materials
such as raven into corvid harbinger
hollow shell
Alternatively, the Picksaw tooltip can be edited
"Capable of mining Lihzahrd Bricks and the Abyss's Scoria Ore"
grim tusk
^
small timber
ya it make sense too, didnt considered it because of my own oversight for astral pickaxe and laser drill
i think i will edit the entire suggestion, the picksaw tootlip make much more sense
hollow shell
👍
I wonder if Astral Pickaxe could use a tooltip too, now that you mention it
It is definitely after Scoria and Lihzahrd Brick in progression, though
grim tusk
Astral pick doesnt mine anything new
hollow shell
And it can't mine the next toughest block, Uelibloom
yeah
So, probably doesn't need one ig
grim tusk
Hmm maybe make it mine exodium and luminite perhaps, but not Uelibloom ofc
grim tusk
It probably could mine Exodium safely yeah
That would require lowering the pick power needed for exodium (by 5%)
hollow shell
In vanilla, Luminite Ore can be mined with any pickaxe
small timber
though I don't think tooltip for exodium cluster is as needed due to exodium being craftable (and the crafting material is post-Moon Lord hinting post-Moon Lord pickaxe requirement)
grim tusk
(Does Luminite have a pick req?)
(I assumed you added one due to the planetoid change)
hollow shell
In vanilla, Luminite Ore can be mined with any pickaxe
Calamity may or may not change that, I cannot remember
Lookin in the upcoming source, doesn't seem like it, no
We will make it detected by Spelunker, though
cobalt pewter
I think just picksaw is fine for Scoria
hollow shell
Also your sugg looks good xpcqe 👍
cobalt pewter
Since it's the pickaxe that's regarded the most integral to progression
People will almost always go for Picksaw before Astral Pick in their runs
small timber
ya, it is a guaranteed golem drop, while laser drill and astral pickaxe are kind of meh
hollow shell
byeah
The amount of people who don't see the Picksaw tooltip but do see the Astral Pick tooltip (perhaps by progression skipping), and do not already know what Scoria Ore is, would be very low
small timber
i seriously don't think there is more than 10% of players ever crafted astral pickaxe
grim tusk
I like making it, helps clear stuff fast
hollow shell
(lemme write that down, I don't think any of my personal suggestions have addressed it)
grim tusk
But it has no purpose other than being fast atm
small timber
although surprisingly picksaw is required for mining astral ore, though a suggestion is probably not necessary since on progression deus is post golem
grim tusk
Post-Cultist even
And theres the hampick in bewteen astral and picksaw
No one ever uses scoria to make that
small timber
although just my opinion i think astrum deus is in a somewhat awkward spot of progression, it is post-cultist (meaning pillar spawned) which is a time most people do not expect to fight a boss
small timber
although calamity allowed it to be fight as soon as hardmode available, hmm
grim tusk
Deus kinda fits due to celestial stuff being around and it being a deity but other than that ye pretty much
small timber
but i think astrum deus is somehow stronger than moon lord himself, stat wise
but post-moon lord gear destroy him
hollow shell
Curve flattening will exist in soon™️
(It won't affect immediately post-ML weps that much)
grim tusk
Also theres some funny stuff to delete deus
some methods also murder your pc, fucking rogue
grim tusk
And destroyer
grim tusk
(It won't affect immediately post-ML weps that much)
Well it will at least affect them
On vanilla yes
Dmode hell no
Anyways back to pickaxe topic
Exodium’s power req. reduced by 5% so that astral pick can mine it?
hollow shell
There's not much reason to do that, but we could
small timber
i think good, not all player craft luminite pickaxe because it is (kind of) a waste of luminite bar
hollow shell
You need to craft the Luminite picks anyway for Uelibloom
small timber
oh ya, uelibloom
earnest raptor
Doesn't luminite pickaxe mine faster than ever?
Is astral slower or I am just affected by minor case of excessive tomfoolery?
grim tusk
Astral is faster
hollow shell
wait
Is Eldritch Soul Artifact literally the only Exodium craft that's immediately post-ML?
grim tusk
One of the 2
earnest raptor
grim tusk
and its a waste of materials unless hybrid rogue summoner
small timber
upgrade RoD no?
grim tusk
Oh yea NR
earnest raptor
Well, there is also Normality Relocator but it's banned in no hits so it shouldn't count
grim tusk
Banned in nohits my ass
earnest raptor
But yes I forgot about Normality
Yeah a sign of it being irrelevant
grim tusk
Its like having a lore item on
small timber
i think 99% of playerbase who are not playing no-hit are using NR, consistently
hollow shell
(No I literally just glazed over it in the crafting list, I didn't forget about NR, I forgot what its exact recipe was)
small timber
considering well, it is amzing
earnest raptor
Too amazing, maybe?
grim tusk
i think 99% of playerbase who are not playing no-hit are using NR, consistently
Even most nohitters use NR, those stats are juicy
earnest raptor
Wait, Relocator is donator item
grim tusk
Yep
earnest raptor
That's why it doesn't count.
hollow shell
Can you stop
small timber
i think if you want to go the "exodium cluster is mineable without luminite pickaxe" route you should drop it all the way to 210%, by which picksaw can mnie it
it only spawn post-Moon Lord anyway, and astral pickaxe is not a frequently use pickaxe
hollow shell
Problem would be trying to argue why it'd be worth doing that, if there are only two items you can craft on-tier with it
(one of which is... really bad)
grim tusk
Rework Eldritch soul artifact
This stat stick is not simply worth making for what it does, the stats are either too irrelevant or too weak to be considered using compared to other better pre-ml items. Why would you use ESA for melee speed when you can just use the Feral claw line? Why would you use this accs on ranger and mage who just get irrelevant stats? Why would you use this over plethora of summoner and rogue items who have the effects, more and even stronger effects?
Reworking the item to give the dmg boost to all classes (although may need number tweaking) in addition to the current effects rather than just rogue getting the dmg boost would solve the problem and make it a decent item. Rogue can get stealth related as the artifact gives stats that are mostly specific to one class to be consistent with the rest.
hollow shell
It does give slots for summoner so that is essentially a damage boost
small timber
it is a rogue/summoner multi-class item, and only rogue
grim tusk
It does give slots for summoner so that is essentially a damage boost
And so does melee with melee speed
But then mage and ranger get nothing meaningful
The only time when i ever used ESA unironically was pre-rebalancing magno (1.4.4) where the rockets where too slow
hollow shell
Would +2 minion slots not be more than a +15% boost in some/many cases?
(I am not super experienced with summoner, so I am actually asking)
grim tusk
Well just +2 minion slots aint that much if many accs that also grant minion slots and a damage boost exist
Not worth equipping ESA over Statis’s blessing or Star generator
Or even papyrus scarab
And hallowed rune’s multiplicative dmg boost and other shit is far better than just 2 minion slots
And an extra sentry slot +10% dmg is also better if its just 2 minion slots (specially considering how powerful post-ml sentries are, yes even post-nerf energy is strong)
small timber
+2 will be very decent if you are not slot stacking the same progression tree,especially 1.5
hollow shell
hmm alright
You could list out all the effects it has and how useful they are, in your suggestion, to clear up concerns like I just had
grim tusk
Alr
hollow shell
(Imagining ranger equipping an entire accessory for boosted proj velocity)