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uncut minnow
huh
tardy smelt
huh so this might just make it into dev voting yet
candid grove
finally a good way to low%
fossil finch
low%'s death as hell next update
sleek turret
true
glossy stone
Just disable them 
Honestly, that's what I'm gonna do until the early HM armor sets get buffed
tardy smelt
early hardmode progression changes
Only because it means you need to kill more bosses for hallowed bars
frozen hornet
You also need another mech for titanium
fossil finch
Just disable them <:hellyes:585543511999250439>
Ok but that's cringe low%
grim tusk
Fucking joke sugg
lean bone
wow another meme suggestion wow funny haha
robust lava
@hollow shell joker
lean bone
hes so funny and funny and haha so funny
hollow shell
@deft river This is the second time you've posted a big chungus meme in #suggestions-posting. I'll give you a full Warn for not learning the first time.
deft river
It wasnt a meme
I really want
With all my. Heart
Big chungus in calamity mod
(lamao)
hollow shell
Don't.
deft river
Im dont want to get you pissed guys
torn crown
If you really want it you can go sprite it yourself and make a not-so-half-assed mechanic around it 
deft river
I just want to have big chungus
grim tusk
Im dont want to get you pissed guys
Well its a bit too late for that
deft river
In calamity mod
grim tusk
I just want to have big chungus
Get out
hollow shell
Aaand you're muted.
fossil finch
god
hollow shell
And I'll delete that, Jesus
torn crown
I only see them warned
fossil finch
good
lean bone
good
grim tusk
Keep an eye out for punishment evasion in case he does it
hollow shell
Leaving while muted is an automatic ban.
lean bone
good
hollow shell
Too dangerous otherwise.
grim tusk
Well with 1.5 on the horizon i dont think anyone would sugg something new
lean bone
^
grim tusk
And I pretty much given up on reposting the buff momentum capacitor sugg
lean bone
i mean i think it should be in just changing stuff now
eternal escarp
i can see myself randomly thinking of an idea sometime down the line 
torn crown
With all my. Heart
Welp I guess they didn't have a big enough heart for big chungus
hollow shell
(Don't.)
torn crown
On the bright side it did make the job easier
grim tusk
And actually seems like adding the wiki page of the item improved the star rate
This one has been reposted just like the momentum capacitor sugg
grim tusk
Specially if its rogue class
grim tusk
Capacitor was since AR?
Just like many other bandit items right?
Funny how bandit items are either meta or never used
deft yew
i never found any of them worth my time lol
sylvan slasher LOOKED good but it turned out utterly useless
aside from lighting the abyss 
eternal escarp
Funny how bandit items are either meta or never used
same can be said for many shopkeepers ngl
grim tusk
I think i have a few ideas for sylvan slasher for when stealth rework comes out
deft yew
delicious meat and the cryo key
eternal escarp
contrary to bandit or whatever
deft yew
...that's it isn't it
deft yew
i mean that's all people use
eternal escarp
Eternal Blizzard is really good, Permafrost Concoction is decent aswell iirc
deft yew
"decent"
grim tusk
man has some mediocre stuff atleast though
Icicle arrows, ice runes and cryogenic staff are fucking good
deft yew
oh yeah cryo staff
fossil finch
concoction is the definition of something people sleep on
eternal escarp
the rest is somewhat meh, but not everything is good so yeah
fossil finch
it's not op but it's good
deft yew
Ice bullets were one of very few times I didn't just use endless musket pouch
deft yew
it's not op but it's good
it grants some debuff immunities and a neat regen mechanic doesn't it
fossil finch
ehem
revive
GRANTED it does leave you in a bad position in any case the revive would be useful for but it's still a good revive
deft yew
revive is really only useful if the attack that killed you has a long cooldown
for example retinazer charge is one i can think of
tardy smelt
Yharon long dash
royal tapir
Moist scoog
exotic stag
ok but frostbite blaster is basically an upgrade to shotguns except with the minus of no bullet typing
grim tusk
enter too early
grim tusk
third time is the charm
exotic stag
(am i the only one that actually doesnt upgrade my emblem unless its to something that isnt another emblem)
grim tusk
the only emblems worth making are celestial and destroyer lmao
avenger emblem is just bad and a material for those 2
deft yew
artemis emblem
grim tusk
if artemis's defensive boosts were slightly better i could consider it
deft yew
ofc ranger is so boring that its main accessory has to have generalist boosts
grim tusk
but even then its you use artemis, magic quiver or sniper scope as your class specific dmg accs
deft yew
18% dmg is pretty good i'd say
although i never use it
bc i need stuff other than damage lol
grim tusk
scope effect can either fuck you up or be a life saver depending on how and where you use it
grim tusk
it can be useful during fights to see oncoming projectiles if the boss is far away
exotic stag
scope effect can either fuck you up or be a life saver depending on how and wher...
yeah
grim tusk
except maybe yharon circles
very useful there
deft yew
I really like to use it for bosses that don't have bullet hells
exotic stag
certain weapons that have right click functions kinda suffer with it
because it throws you off
i feel like a config for "toggle sniper scope usage" would be better
grim tusk
certain weapons that have right click functions kinda suffer with it
photovisc right click for example
deft yew
or maybe even a scope hotkey
kinda feel like scroll wheel would work and be cool with dynamic zoom
exotic stag
well yeah but i feel like config is bette
if your in the middle of a fight your probably focused
so you dont pay attention to your keyboard
and accidentally hit the hotkey
deft yew
true
cobalt pewter
Rogue Accessory™
tardy smelt
close 
exotic stag
(isnt this just FCS?)
lean bone
future content i think
also qs is impossible to make pre hardmode
exotic stag
yeah..
charred acorn
(isnt this just FCS?)
fcs?
eternal escarp
the long discussed "but how is SG weaker then QS?!?!"
exotic stag
the long discussed "but how is SG weaker then QS?!?!"
also cant forget that this is quite specific ngl
eternal escarp
byeah this is 100% FCS
exotic stag
its VERY specific.
crude geode
Not really.
eternal escarp
the long discussed "but how is SG weaker then QS?!?!"
also my answer to this is simple
The Hallow didnt exist when SG got his power or whatever the fuck
so QS has a stronger base
charred acorn
oh, i thought that was what this channel was for tho, what else is a suggestion supposed to be?
eternal escarp
well, relating to the current version
exotic stag
oh, i thought that was what this channel was for tho, what else is a suggestion ...
for donts
exotic stag
then you can know what to suggest
charred acorn
i read the pins
exotic stag
theres a doc
eternal escarp
well
charred acorn
it just said to format the post so it could be proporly discussed
charred acorn
?
crude geode
You did not see the google document saying “suggestion don’ts”
That’s not only the third pin here, but also attached to the formatting message in posting
exotic stag
bruh
charred acorn
and second of all ty for telling me
exotic stag
WHY DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT LIGHT MODE EVERY TIME
sleek turret
god
eternal escarp
lightmodeisbad.png
exotic stag
lean bone
the guys built different
charred acorn
built wrong
crude geode
because people think it’s still funny in the year of our lord and savior 2021
exotic stag
built wrong
lets go back to the suggestion
eternal escarp
i say that slime god gets a bunch of changes, make it a pre lunatic cultist post golem boss, make slimes drop a new material after golem gets defeated, then use that, some blighted gel, and make queen slime drop a special type of like holy gel or something, then use that for the slime god summon recipe. also to preserve both up the difficulty as well as incorporate qs into it, i feel a third hallowed slime minion thing should be added to the fight, as well as the core doing that slime bombing attack that qs does.
also this entire part is kinda overly specific? unless im just being harsh
charred acorn
no, i dont say it cuz its funny, light mode gives me migranes
exotic stag
rather then complaining about a mode i use
charred acorn
> i say that slime god gets a bunch of changes, make it a pre lunatic cultist po...
why would i not be?
eternal escarp
because
charred acorn
yes its specific but isnt that the point?
eternal escarp
the don'ts
charred acorn
what?
charred acorn
you cant be specific?
exotic stag
no
charred acorn
B R U H
exotic stag
cause then that feels like the devs are just being forced
charred acorn
whats even the point then
exotic stag
give them some leniancy
eternal escarp
exotic stag
a suggestion is meant to give the devs the feeling that they arent also being forced to do what you ask specifically
eternal escarp
the dont's exist for a reason basically
charred acorn
thats for stats not recepies
eternal escarp
especially != only
charred acorn
and plus i didnt specify that much i just said that there would need to be a post golem slime drop and a qs gel to make the summon make more sense
exotic stag
and plus i didnt specify that much i just said that there would need to be a pos...
then thats specificity
eternal escarp
somewhat
i wouldnt say its FULLY specific, yes
in any case
the only real issue is just, future content shtuff
exotic stag
i mean hell the "queen slime drops some holy gel or something" is probably the most obvious "specific"
eternal escarp
thats more of an idea, ig?
charred acorn
i mean hell the "queen slime drops some holy gel or something" is probably the m...
you ignore the or something part
charred acorn
yes you type it, BUT YOU STILL IGNORE IT
exotic stag
theres a reason i said 'probably'
charred acorn
i can delete the suggestion ig
but damn, thats like 5 minutes wasted on typing that up
there
fossil finch
simply an issue of saying qs is powered by souls
eternal escarp
atleast you now know of the existance of the document for next time (if you ever want to suggest agian)
charred acorn
yes, ty
charred acorn
simply an issue of saying qs is powered by souls
or adding a buffed sg like they seem to be planning with prov and stuff in the deadron update
not changing it but adding a new one
idfk
frozen hornet
Prov?
golden kayak
> i say that slime god gets a bunch of changes, make it a pre lunatic cultist po...
I won't argue with the suggestion being incorrect rule-wise but why make SG a golem-ish tier boss in the 1st place, like, progression standpoint? It has it's good spot at pre-wof.
charred acorn
Prov?
their doing like mecha prov and mecha yharon and stuff
it was in the last few seconds of the deadrons trailer
charred acorn
providence?
frozen hornet
It's exo skeletron prime
eternal escarp
(explained in the pins of #calamity-update-talk , first pin)
charred acorn
hm
eternal escarp
((pins are used a lot here))
charred acorn
i see that
frozen hornet
people rarely check them but ye
charred acorn
i mean i just joined like 20 minutes ago so im learning a lot
frozen hornet
That's fair
fossil finch
i think the best solution is removing qs from the game honestly
charred acorn
-_-
frozen hornet
QS is very funny
fossil finch
I mean it is
charred acorn
how can you thanos that cute little bastard
fossil finch
implies someone plays master unironically
just make it drop from illuminant slimes
eternal escarp
byeah i just explain QS with:
She comes from a biome the SG didnt have access to and couldnt adapt like QS did or, whatever
if we came like, after HM started years later SG wouldve prolly had hallow powers or whatever the fuck idk im not a lore person
fossil finch
S O U L S
eternal escarp
that
frozen hornet
Souls of the night and light variety
exotic stag
byeah i just explain QS with:
She comes from a biome the SG didnt have access to...
i explain qs with: wof went boomy and SG was overpowered and deadened.
charred acorn
i still feel like there should be a version of slimegod that incorperates the hallowed slimes, maybe as a violent reaction thats making sg unstable or something
keep the phm but make it more interesting in hm
frozen hornet
SG was deadened before waffle did the shuffle
exotic stag
Unstable slime i guess is a better thought
lean bone
true sg :trollface:
frozen hornet
Goozma in real
charred acorn
holy slime god
fossil finch
Add the sg
Post wof boss
It's sg but it also spawns qs with master stats
charred acorn
ascended slime god
exotic stag
no i dont think SG needs a buff ngl
fossil finch
(And eternitymalice ai)
exotic stag
just make an unstable slime would be better
frozen hornet
SG trying to become whole again
exotic stag
cause illuminant slimes kinda look like those phase slimes from slime rancher
charred acorn
im saying slimegod thats struggling to incorperate hallow and is basically tearing itseolf apart trying to dontrol it
fossil finch
In any case no thanks no hm slime god there's 0 need
eternal escarp
(And eternitymalice ai)
(inf-terni-malice ftw mm aidds difficulty iirc)
frozen hornet
It's a neat idea but unlikely to happen
exotic stag
rather then buffing SG. just make a mod that incorporates hallow slimes into it
fossil finch
why not:
do literally nothing
exotic stag
yes
lean bone
make every boss slime god :trollfacebutreal:
fossil finch
This reminds me of the sg auric tier buff
exotic stag
This reminds me of the sg auric tier buff
auric god
hollow shell
@lusty trail Vampire Knives
are melee
They are what Monstrous Knives are based on
lusty trail
yea and?
hollow shell
(also it's a donor item)
Lemme go ping the donor
Okay nevermind we have no contact with that donor
lusty trail
for me throws means rogue
lusty trail
is it possible to reclass vanilla items?
grim tusk
Bonebreaker or whatever the AR t2 melee weapon was called
hollow shell
ye
grim tusk
is it possible to reclass vanilla items?
Vanilla spaghetti code
lusty trail
perfect
hollow shell
I think it is possible
but, not Calamity
So uh I guess this sugg is valid if you insist
but
I would appreciate more reasoning
lusty trail
all recipes that use those weapons
those are the 3 weapons i can think of that need reclassing- vamp knife, the other knives and the bonebreaker
grim tusk
Vamp knives (and upgrades) and Daybreak are simply ruled out by the Dont
exotic stag
^ if you dont know what he means by the dont
crude geode
Monstrous Knives aren't vanilla
They're Calamity's own addition, based on a donor who we don't have contact with, according to Rover
exotic stag
i mean he said the reclassing thing with vamp knives and stuff
crude geode
but it's not his suggestion
He brought up changing them, but he didn't suggest changing them at all in posting. He just suggested changing monstrous knives, which is not a vanilla weapon.
exotic stag
i get that
he specifices here though that "need" is there
and i mean earlier he did ask about if it was possible to reclass vanilla weapons
exotic stag
once again not every dont has to be about exactly sugg posting too though.
he was mentioning about "needing" to reclass vanilla weapons. which storm said wont happen because of the dont
crude geode
indeed
the problem is that sandstone ❗ the suggestion in posting, which doesn't break that don't.
exotic stag
it has 0 formatting. also
crude geode
that's a completely different issue that they weren't pinged about
exotic stag
crude geode
the dedicatee isn't around anymore.
grim tusk
yea no/vague reasoning is likely enough for ❗
crude geode
something that rover specifically said.
Also, I'm complaining because this is what they were pinged about.
exotic stag
im pretty sure sandstone wasnt referencing my message in the slightest there
also i was talking about the second half of the message i sent about patreon items
it talks about dedicated dev items being allowed for changes. patron items cannot... and well
monstrous knives are a patreon donator item rather then a dev dedicated one
crude geode
damn, weird how the difference is made there, never realized.
exotic stag
yeah i felt the same way but. gotta follow the rules i guess
crude geode
Again I'm going to point out that the obvious conclusion to draw is that the suggestion breaks the don't of "suggestions about vanilla weapons and equipment", since the message is right below that don't.
exotic stag
yeah but im still pretty sure sandstone didnt mean the message i sent to be honest.
crude geode
I would appreciate more reasoning
If sandstone was referring to something rover said, they simply could have replied like this.
exotic stag
Okay nevermind we have no contact with that donor
im pretty sure they were referencing this
but sandstone moment
crude geode
@lusty trail Monstrous Knives can't be suggested about, since it's a patreon item and we have no contact with the donor, so suggestions can't be made about it.
exotic stag
^ quick reasoning as to why. read second half
crude geode
should have highlighted the actual content
lusty trail
<@!725667324555821057> Monstrous Knives can't be suggested about, since it's a p...
bonebreaker?
exotic stag
i dunno the rules on weapons that r upgraded from throwing weapons.
dapper coral
damn, weird how the difference is made there, never realized.
if i had to guess, the difference is because regardless of whether the donor is still around or not they paid a significant amount of money for it and it shouldnt be changed to something they might not want it to be
whereas for old devs that factor isnt there and it's highly unlikely that they would care what it ends up becoming (at least, considering a fair few devs have stepped away from calamity entirely)
pulsar marlin
Monstrous Knives are just Pre-Hardmode Vampire Knives
glossy stone
All knives will become Melee-only anyway, changing Monstrous Knives to rogue would make no sense.
Even though I'd still argue that knives belong to rogue but whatever.
ancient willow
Guys it finally happened. My suggestion from so long ago happened. Idk if it was really cuz of me but i did happen 
earnest raptor
I think this practice should be discouraged
distant gyro
indirect advertisement 
earnest raptor
I think this practice should be discouraged
if your suggestion didn't cut the slack, cope with it, make better one
star count was raised several times for a reason
distant gyro
also it's still going to make it at some point
from trends it takes about 3 months for close sugs to go off the radar completely, and 1-2 months for suggestions below 195 to go off
7-14 days is in a frankly pretty common time frame to get sends
ancient willow
Is that common where people respost in here to get more stars
tardy smelt
I didn't do it for the stars
I'm just retroactively commentating on the star-gathering progress of my sugg
tho I'll stop doing it from now on then 👍
mental quiver
There should be a role for announcement pings
Otherwise ppl need to mute every channel but that one
Ig i can do that actually nvm
tardy smelt
normal users can't ping @ everyone though
and you very rarely get pinged if you're actively involved with chat anyway since most pings come from replies
tardy smelt
distant gyro
notification settings exist
tardy smelt
just slap this into a private server and if you see a notif from there you know something was announced
mental quiver
I alr said nvm bc i can do other stuff
tardy smelt
troo
grim tusk
@hollow shell bot dead
exotic stag
while i agree with the summon targetting fix. the other stuff makes little sense to me
you went off on a mage - summoner thing and that just went off to just "let summoners use mage accessories instead"
wary canyon
Well what I’m saying is stuff like Mana Flower
exotic stag
yeah but your not gonna need to use a mage accessory for a boss.
your just gonna target it once with right click and then just focus on dodging
wary canyon
If summoners actually have an incentive to manage their mana to attack with it it can make for more varied class builds
exotic stag
they dont need to. you only need to resummon them after death and stuff
wary canyon
your just gonna target it once with right click and then just focus on dodging
Uh idk if I wasn’t clear in the sugg but I was saying to replace the targeting mechanic entirely
exotic stag
they shouldnt need a reason to use more mana for their job
wary canyon
I’m trying to say that right clicking should cause all summons to attack the cursor one time
exotic stag
thats just making a more support-based mage.
also "to boost their damage" summoners wont be getting damage buffs from mage damage accessories..
also "more engaged in fights" their entire class is about staying in the backlines and dealing good dps
wary canyon
Ok either I’m not being clear in my wording or you’re just not understanding bro
exotic stag
or its just that your going off on two different things in your sugg..
wary canyon
Im saying that summoners should right click with the staff, and all minions attack the cursor one time for an extra damage attack
So you would continue right clicking on the boss
And your minions would respond by charging the boss repeatedly for each click
fossil finch
(What'd be a "reasonable mana amount" anyways)
It's clearly not something you're gonna spam, so mana flower is useless because mana pot keybind exists ans unlike mage weapons you're not doing it all the time
exotic stag
(also "sunmons")
wary canyon
But I’m saying you are gonna spam it
exotic stag
"Make it so that right-clicking with summon staffs causes all minions to instantly attack the cursor position"
that can be inaccurate
exotic stag
People won't because you have to aim
summoner is literally the "just summon things and fuck off and dodge everything else"
wary canyon
Well it could be attacking the nearest boss entity instead
exotic stag
Well it could be attacking the nearest boss entity instead
Once again inaccuracy
safe oasis
But I’m saying you are gonna spam it
if you’re gonna be spamming it to the point of wanting a mana flower for it, just make it a mage weapon honestly
wary canyon
summoner is literally the "just summon things and fuck off and dodge everything ...
That’s what I’m trying to fix with the sugg
safe oasis
it doesn’t really fit the class
exotic stag
That’s what I’m trying to fix with the sugg
thats not the point..
your trying to make summoner more like melee..
wary canyon
your trying to make summoner more like melee..
Ok but at some point you can say this about anything
“Manage weapons that look like guns??”
exotic stag
sure 1.4 added more melee like weapons for summoner. but it was to fix its targetting system to be a better targetting system
safe oasis
swagcat stop using so many ellipses………..
wary canyon
“Melee weapons with a billion projectioes??”
Like at some point every class can feel like another
That’s not a terrible thing
exotic stag
well yes but thats just cause its called a weapon concept
your literally going out of your way to make summoner a more "close up" class
so that it can actually hit its "power" shots
wary canyon
Yes because I main summoner and enjoy doing that
I love mods that add summon weapons that actually make me click at the boss
exotic stag
why would you need summoner to be a close up class
its meant to be a "stay back and just dodge" class
thats why it has the lowest defense..
safe oasis
its meant to be a "stay back and just dodge" class
wouldn’t say it’s “meant to be” that, it just kinda is
wary canyon
Throwing class was “meant” to die out but calamity still has that
exotic stag
Throwing class was “meant” to die out but calamity still has that
because they wanted to take the idea and see if they could work with it..
wary canyon
I’m saying that summoner doesn’t have to be just what it is right now
A mod is inherently a modification, it can change how a class works for the better
Plus it’s optional to use the mechanic
exotic stag
well the entire point of a summoner is dish out damage staying in the back while trying to dodge. not to be a tank and die instantly because of their low defense
wary canyon
If you want to play the same way you still can
exotic stag
Plus it’s optional to use the mechanic
"optional" yet your wording makes it sound like people are going to only use this..
wary canyon
well the entire point of a summoner is dish out damage staying in the back while...
I’m not saying that
Does it?
exotic stag
yes
wary canyon
I was trying to say that it adds more variety because people can use it
exotic stag
"make summoners more engaged in fights" if your going to charged shot something. you have to count for inaccuracy
wary canyon
But I don’t have to
exotic stag
if its going to be inaccurate
more summoners are going to have to be close quarters to hit it
wary canyon
Well
You don’t have to use the charged shots..?
You can just not use it
And play the exact same way
It just adds variety for people who want to play that way
exotic stag
yes but again your wording previously did say that people were going to spam it.
hollow shell
There's some practical problens with this suggestion
safe oasis
Plus it’s optional to use the mechanic
making something optional isn’t a good way to defend it
people can suggest “add fuck you mode where boss do 100x dmg and has inf hp but its optional guys so don’t worry about it”
i see your point about summoner maybe needing a revamp, but this probably isn’t the best method of doing so
exotic stag
1.4 improved on the summoner targetting faults by still using that targetting thing. but actually helping the original summons to
hollow shell
For one, we would have to manually edit the code of all vanilla minions to invoke this new behavior
wary canyon
Hm
exotic stag
For one, we would have to manually edit the code of all vanilla minions to invok...
(and then the right click..)
wary canyon
Fair enough, if it’s too hard to do then just keeping with summon tag damage and adding calamity whips in 1.4 suffices for me
hollow shell
For two, there are many minions which do not have identifiable single "attacks" that could be buffed in the way you describe
such as all the contact-only minions
fossil finch
Praying for calamity whips to remain permanently fake
hollow shell
byeah
wary canyon
And there are obviously other mods that do similar stuff like Spirit’s jade dragon staff
exotic stag
yeah improving on the already there functions rather then introducing new ones to replace the old
wary canyon
I can’t wait to see whatever the insane auric tier whip looks like
hollow shell
Ought to be fun
hollow shell
What's that do? I haven't played much 1.4
exotic stag
durendal increases whip speed on hit
hollow shell
Hm.
exotic stag
attack speed*
wary canyon
Ten trillion projectile whip 
exotic stag
it can create a fetid baghnahks with pretty much any weapon that has around 20 use time
and it has pretty long range
hollow shell
I do hope we lean more into the tag damage and support abilities of whips rather than direct DPS
exotic stag
yeah
wary canyon
Yes
exotic stag
i actually wonder how spirit glyph is gonna work with whips
since it gives buffs on when a summon hits.
hollow shell
We'll see when we get there
Anything we have programmed to trigger on summon damage will need to be changed to specifically minion damage, which hopefully won't take too long
exotic stag
yep..
hollow shell
... hopefully, there is a distinction between whip damage and minion damage in code
There has to be, right?
In order for tag damage to even work?
hollow shell
So, yeah
It'd probably not be too bad to fix
exotic stag
but you cant normally see the debuff
wary canyon
Huh
fossil finch
I do hope we lean more into the tag damage and support abilities of whips rather...
Blessed
If this ends up being done to vanilla whips too, you'll have to buff some weapons probably though (i only really think this would apply to the enchanted sword summon)
wary canyon
I didn’t know that was how tag damage worked
exotic stag
basically every whip has a different debuff
wary canyon
Also doesn’t Spirit already add a few tag damage items in 1.3?
So I can’t imagine it’s terribly hard to do
exotic stag
each whip having a different debuff is a way for it to tell what tag damage to do
it basically goes: "if [entity] has [any summon tag debuff] deal [summon tag] damage if hit by [summoner damage]"
fossil finch
They'll have to ban those from debuff showcase on bosses
exotic stag
yeah cause it'll overflow the thing then
wary canyon
Auric Tesla lash
1000 summon tag damage 
fossil finch
This entire convo is for the future and all, but i wonder if they'll disallow whip stacking
exotic stag
probably not
fossil finch
Auric whip
0 tag damage
0 damage
Makes summons become god
wary canyon
This entire convo is for the future and all, but i wonder if they'll disallow wh...
Sounds like a calamity thing to do ngl
fossil finch
Whip stacking gets broken as hell
exotic stag
Auric whip
0 tag damage
0 damage
Makes summons become god
auric whip: -1 damage. -1 summon tag damage, makes summons disappear
heh
healing scal 1 hp at a time
wary canyon
Overheal bosses and make them implode
exotic stag
i've never seen a boss actually heal mid fight lol
wary canyon
Yharon phase transition?
fossil finch
Play Extradimensional's demo
fossil finch
There's a post cultist boss that heals himself
wary canyon
The moon bite debuff heals ML for 1000hp if you don’t kill the little leeches
exotic stag
yeah this
wary canyon
It’s why all those challenge runs on youtube get so slapped by moonlord
exotic stag
but those are minions so eh
wary canyon
Still a heal tho
It’s only a minion so it’s preventable
It would be kinda dumb if a boss just healed and you couldn’t stop it
If moon lord heals it’s because you missed the leeches
exotic stag
oh btw people forgot this existed
hollow shell
SoA has a boss that can heal, Erazor
Has a whole empowerment system associated with it
wary canyon
Erazor heals?
hollow shell
iirc he heals a bit every time he powers up
hollow shell
Not a huge amount
hollow shell
I like Erazor, one of my favorite fights, yeah
exotic stag
isnt there an AA boss that heals?
hollow shell
anyway iunno if this is related to suggs
exotic stag
anyway iunno if this is related to suggs
i was just thinking about something anyway so lol
wary canyon
isnt there an AA boss that heals?
Uhh I mean all of the late game bosses have second phase heals
Yeah ig
exotic stag
Uhh I mean all of the late game bosses have second phase heals
(phase heals arent really heals..)
wary canyon
Well you lot have a good one
I’ll just leave my suggestion but I don’t mind if it doesn’t get in
Or should I delete it?
Idk
hollow shell
mmm, many people will probably just tell you to either wait for whips or use the Summoner's Association mod
which adds much more reliable minion targeting
wary canyon
Yeah I’ll just delete it to avoid confusion
wary canyon
which adds much more reliable minion targeting
Oo that sounds nice
crude geode
Also the idea of adding something on to every minion in the game sounds like a lot of work
grim tusk
silver silo
😎
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message 4 more
silver silo
I forget can they be sent immediately after getting 200
tardy smelt
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/8885718307455...
lmao I think I got this one on my first kill last rogue pt
silver silo
(same)
crude geode
they do not, they get sent when someone gets around to it
hence why some people will just post ones here that have reached it
silver silo
oh I know that I just mean do they have to hang around even if noticed
crude geode
Suggestions in voting stay forever, but will get updated with a ✅ when delivered to dev
grim tusk
On my (failed) hc death playthrough I got em after like 35 kills
Almost died a bunch of times
recall potion is busted
silver silo
is there even a way to get the squids off you once they attach
grim tusk
Killing em
tardy smelt
what's HC
silver silo
gee I didnt think of that
grim tusk
I died at the same time as WoF
silver silo
grim tusk
In another pt getting the ink bomb took far longer
Grinding it for abyssal mirror took hours
distant gyro
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/8885718307455...
indirectly giving stars to dead zone suggestions moment
I don't think there's really any rules against that but it's inherently really burdening for me
there's so many suggestions that get left behind 1-2 short, but sometimes they get posted here and because it's so close to delivery it gets there
silver silo
199 purgatory
distant gyro
and then sometimes it never gets noticed because someone boosted it while it was dead
or someone has to get pinged for it to get sent due to boosting
rn
this is the secret strat to star checking
silver silo
(leaked)
eternal escarp
altix and lists, a love story
distant gyro
basically
c3 = highest star flow, usually the most recent suggestion
c2 = slowing star flow, usually some time in 10-14 days
c1 = near-zero gain, dead zone, 2-3 months
c0 = star check for suggestions that has stayed for about half a year, in case someone ever scrolls that far up
silver silo
whats the /10
distant gyro
date
silver silo
ahh
distant gyro
if for example c3 gets 15 stars, every suggestion between it and c2 gets checked
if c2 gets no traffic then there's no point in checking any further
grim tusk
Everyone just goes for the fresher fish
distant gyro
good
I don't want to send suggestions from 2020 that reached the required amount of stars
silver silo
people who suggested them probably forgot they existed
distant gyro
just repost 7head
silver silo
I'd be afraid to repost because 1. could be spammy and 2. if it didnt work the first time probably wont the second
grim tusk
Speaking of suggsestions, bot is still dead
exotic stag
distant gyro
reposts can work
just don't do it for more than once
if 1 repost doesn't do it then 2 probably won't
silver silo
true
grim tusk
Yea the momentum capacitor sugg is the third and final time i’ll repost, if the reposts before it didnt have an increase amount of votes I wouldnt have even bothered, im leaving it for good
exotic stag
i actually wonder what happens when a sugg hits 200 stars but goes below 200 later..
distant gyro
it either gets delivered or not depending on the timing
usually it doesn't happen anyway because I don't star suggestions
unless more than one people all coordinated to fuck this one suggestion in particular
silver silo
oh that reminds me is it frowned on to star your own suggestion lol
distant gyro
no
grim tusk
People rarely ever notice
silver silo
I never did because it feels wrong lol
grim tusk
Yea now its like 0.5%
Barely even noticeable
You could even just wait til it hits 199 then vote
silver silo
if its only 1 or 2 away who's gonna judge
tardy smelt
wheee
hollow shell
rude 😠
exotic stag
first off: why do people care about buff slots as much.. just get a buff slot increaser mod lol
and second: aureus cells arent used much because its just simpler to get mana regen and mana potions..
hollow shell
@bright crag You're not really selling me on your proposal
You don't mention making the mana power and regen stronger, you're just saying to put it in one slot, and you don't mention it stacking with the vanilla potions either
The only feature you focus on is one less used buff slot??
bright crag
Isn't stacking a direct property of having its own buff...?
I probably should have mentioned that
hollow shell
Yes but you don't
say that
yeah
We have upgraded potions in the mod that do not stack with their predecessors
the Profaned Rage and Wrath potions
exotic stag
yes those are upgrading the actual buff. not just combining buffs
exotic stag
i mean theres still 0 point to stacking buffs when you can just get a buff slot mod
hollow shell
i mean theres still 0 point to stacking buffs when you can just get a buff slot ...
Untrue, I think you are misinterpreting the point
bright crag
Is that a good suggestion...?
I might be asking for too little
But Aureus Cells can't be buffed that much
My point is making Aureus Cells a unique drop with the versatility that Astral Injection doesn't have
So it's not just a potion ingredient
What do you think, Rover?
hollow shell
Wording/order is still a bit iffy
After proposing them getting merged together, you say "Such change would make them a great drop for Mages and specially useful for players that want to free a buff slot"
then you mention buff stacking
Up till that point you haven't mentioned any reason why merging them would make them great for mages aside from the reduced buff slot
So I think you should mention buff stacking before that sentence
Flip em around
(and with that, reword "Aureus Cells having their own buff slot could also allow for players to stack it" to remove the "also")
imo
(and another thing, "while also not making them stronger" is a bit confusing, I thought you were talking about the player and not Aureus Cells. You could make it clearer that you're talking about Aureus Cells not receiving any direct buffs from this change)
fossil finch
obscure
used in beacon and second miracle fruit (unless this was removed idk)
Ok
hollow shell
Beacon shouldn't be in that list
You only need to craft it in emergencies where the one in your world got fucked by gen
Also yes that was removed.
distant gyro
why can you even consume aureus cells
it's not like it's astral jelly anymore, which is why it's precisely not giving well fed anymore
crude geode
why can you even consume aureus cells
the terrarian literally eats potion glass, why would eating a machine be that different
distant gyro
I thought the terrarian eats the contents in the glass then throws it away like a bad civilian
crude geode
the fact you drink the potion and then the glass bottle is just gone kinda lends to the credence you just chomp the potion
fossil finch
Counter argument: you hear a glup not a chomp
finite smelt
it's like perks in COD zombies, you down it in one gulp then just shatter it on the floor
grim tusk
Thats why you dont get the glass bottles on potions back
summer arrow
A DISCUSSION FOR THE AGES!!!
grim tusk
@zenith hazel bring a necromancer (amber) to bring bot back to life
(Bot is dead)
zenith hazel
grim tusk
And for the sugg that is there, although it giving the combined buffs of mana regen and magic power sounds good, the extra buff slot could allow for some things
min maxing
frozen hornet
@twin trout you can't suggest new classes
Read the suggestion don'ts on the top of the channel
twin trout
Ok
But personnally do you think its cool idea for like another terraria mod that i could make or a whole other game
dim star
You should probably delete the sugg
summer arrow
First star on the momentum capacitor vote
torn crown
Suggestion Draft: Change the Old Die's tooltip to be less obscure
The current informative tooltip for it is that it "Increases the randomness of attack damage" The problem with this is that it doesn't show the appeal to use the item in the first place. What comes into the player's mind is usually along the lines of "if the damage can randomly go up, then the damage can also randomly go down".
Here's the kicker: The old die is actually biased towards randomly increasing damage than the opposite, and even more so if you are holding a rogue weapon. There is no other way to learn about this other than either having a keen eye on testing or by looking at the Wiki, so it would be helpful to also reflect the given additional information
An idea of what the proposed tooltip would be:
Increases the randomness of attack damage
Favors randomly higher damage (i think I need some additional opinion on this line)
This effect is further increased when holding a rogue weapon
(also if you're wondering about the Timed DR sugg, I decided to hold it back until we see the future BR changes)
summer arrow
Isn’t “left alone” for brimstone elemental, and it doesn’t have voice acting
bold wave
I'm not sure if DM DOKURO would want that
torn crown
It has one in the end, but like BR T3, it's intended to be heard outside of the game
bold wave
Tbf, I feel like we shouldn't ask him
crude geode
This sounds very high effort.
rich halo
Isn’t “left alone” for brimstone elemental, and it doesn’t have voice acting
Im talking about the end of the song, in the outro
also it doesnt have to be the same voice actors as the videos, they were merely an example of it being done for the mod in some way
I don't see how this has anything to do with Dokuro either?
fossil finch
The
frail mantle
New sadcat just dropped
earnest raptor
The voice at end of Left Alone video is Calamitas, lol
I have no idea how that would fit with non-linearity.
Also, didn't people hate voice acting?
rich halo
The voice at end of Left Alone video is Calamitas, lol
yes, i literally wrote that in my suggestion lol
hardy dock
Voice acting in Calamity is 
And not mention good voice actors cost money
And file bloat or smth idk
rich halo
Well yes, obviously they cost money, but I suggested it because of how little dialogue there actually is from the bosses.
hardy dock
It’s not a negative that Calamity doesn’t have voice acting, and trying to shoehorn in random voice acting is gonna be jarring
Because it always is whenever a mod tries it
It’s nothing but jarring and a mess
rich halo
Well, Its not jarring for me. After all this is about opinions and that is also why I suggested a setting to disable it
rich halo
👍
hardy dock
Remake every weapon in the mod to have 2017 sprite quality and make it a config
Or just replace all the sprites without the option to change it back idc
lean bone
make the mod 3d and make it a config
rich halo
ok I don't know what to respond with
lean bone
remake every terraria mod and make it a config
then remake the universe and make it a config
hardy dock
rich halo
okay??
hardy dock
The point being
It has no reason to exist, and it’s very expensive so in order to add it you’d need a very good reason
lean bone
reason = lore 👍
hardy dock
rich halo
Yeah no need to rub it in my face, I just wanted an actual discussion
lean bone
yeah
rich halo
but go off
eternal escarp
this idea gets suggested somewhat frequently and it usually gets shot down due to "while cool theres better things to focus on", atleast you put more reasonings into it then some other suggestions of the same idea iirc
unsure if the sugg itself is valid or not because, it does bring more reasoning then usual
rich halo
I read the full "before you make a suggestion" document and didn't see my suggestion there which was why I made the suggestion
So I had no clue it was asked a lot
eternal escarp
ye its fine
gray nebula
wouldnt say its asked alot
eternal escarp
its not a frequently asked but it gets uh
semi frequently suggested
if this makes sense
rich halo
yeah no worries
eternal escarp
byeah
fossil finch
at this point make it a dont because funny
eternal escarp
byeah the reasoning of consistency adds a bit more ground to a voice acting sugg then the usual "itd be cool" people post
while im personally agianst voice acting in terraria because it feels wierd the sugg is prolly valid(?)
rich halo
Yeah I don't mind if my suggestion gets denied or whatever else, that's what the channel is for
eternal escarp
if anything rover would prolly come later and dub it as valid to go or not so yeah
rich halo
we'll see
glossy stone
Poor Aqult got mocked off for a thing I kinda want too
lean bone
i apologise Aqult
frozen hornet
I'd love to have voice acting but I think it should be kept for the most important characters
torn crown
Suggestion Draft: **`Change the Old Die's tooltip to be less obscure`**
`The cur...
just gonna bump this in
grim tusk
Suggestion Draft: **`Change the Old Die's tooltip to be less obscure`**
`The cur...
Iirc its getting changed (nerfed) next patch we dont know how it will work
torn crown
It is?
Well if the mechanic + weird tooltip is still there once the update drops, I'll try to suggest it by then
exotic stag
i think scal, draedon and yharim only though
characters with actual mouths. yes
rich halo
i apologise Aqult
nw its fine
hollow shell
I don't think you need to leave the world in order to change config settings?
rich halo
dont you need to go into the mod settings to change configs?
correct me if im wrong, i remember it being like that
hollow shell
Yeah, and I think you can do that from inside a world
You say "Another solution to this would be to bind the setting to turn it on and off in a key bind, so you could enable/disable the voice acting in-game instead of leaving the world and opening the config settings."
dapper coral
yeah you dont have to leave
rich halo
oh my bad, im going to fix that real quick
royal tapir
hollow shell
👍
earnest raptor
Remake every weapon in the mod to have 2017 sprite quality and make it a config
Honestly
I want config for transition era sprites
When they got better but was not cluster-shaded.
hollow shell
That is a Don't and also quite a specific point in time
earnest raptor
I don't suggest that.
ashen warren
i remember i was going to make a suggestion about alcohol poisoning and low life regen due to the drinks but not the debuffs' death message
because the lowered regen says you died from alcohol sickness which is confusing as it makes you think you have the debuff when you dont
while the actual debuff doesnt mention it at all
rich halo
yeah uh im not gonna dare to make a suggestion again anytime soon lmfao
ashen warren
why not lol
rich halo
scroll up and youll see lol
rich halo
ashen warren
ouch
exotic stag
or just make a qol suggestion that people need lol.. like half of the suggestions are..
hollow shell
because the lowered regen says you died from alcohol sickness which is confusing...
I mean
Regardless, your cause of death was from Alcohol DoT
Just differing levels of severity
grim tusk
one is avoidable with like a cadence potion while one is unavoidable
nebula life booster (which dies thank fuck)
bright crag
Guys, I'm thinking of a suggestion but I think it's too dumb
So I'll discuss it here
I've been fighting PBG for more than a week now, and it kinda bothered me that her initial dash in a sequence can be a bit... off the rails.
To the point where she literally dashes down
exotic stag
bright crag
In general, actually
I have no issues with the way the fight starts, I hardly get killed by it
exotic stag
its a smarter bee
bright crag
Dashing down is caused by her diagonal dash to become too warped, in the initial dash of her chain of dashes
Maybe it'd be nice to telegraph her dash with a red target, hovering above her destination, and making her dash faster to compensate
exotic stag
how is a dash downwards annoying per se?
sleek wadi
Dashes straight up and down are unintended
bright crag
Dashes straight up and down are unintended
^
exotic stag
Dashes straight up and down are unintended
its because it dashes on a very slight 1 difference degree angle
they'd have to remove those angles if they want it to not go down
which causes more issues
bright crag
Which is why I'm considering this suggestion
exotic stag
also pbg usually dashes offscreen for people.
bright crag
A lot of players already complain about how unpredictable PBG is
Maybe making her dashes telegraphed but faster could improve the fight
exotic stag
btw it was fixed so no more annoying hitbox.
but yeah i dont see the point in telegraphing a fault in angles.
sleek wadi
PBG diagonals seem to be a 45 angle, I don't know how 1 degree off causes it to go straight up and down
exotic stag
PBG diagonals seem to be a 45 angle, I don't know how 1 degree off causes it to ...
it looks straight but in reality it isnt
bright crag
Her diagonals are, in fact, 45 angle (in theory)
exotic stag
its the angle being so smal that it looks like nothing
sleek wadi
1 away from completely straight, straight, who cares
bright crag
Yeah, I guess this isn't a suggestion worth making - which is why I wanted to discuss it here, before posting anything
Thank you for your opinions!
exotic stag
the only real thing i can say if its all 45 degree dashes is that it goes in a full 360 circle and chooses only the 45 degree angles
like heres an example
each diagonal each in the + shape
which is the only real thing i can think of
crude geode
from the wiki
The Plaguebringer Goliath moves faster and is able to perform diagonal dashes (in revengeance)
if pbg was allowed to dash in any 45 degree angle, it would be allowed to dash straight up or down, or even backwards which seems very nonsensical.
exotic stag
its probably just a dev missed sight thing if it can dash up and down
sleek wadi
The annoying thing about the vertical dash thing is that I don't thing anyone has a step-by-step on how to replicate it
sleek wadi
It definitely happens, we just don't know how. It might have something to do with being above PBG as it transitions to dash phase
Not sure if I had it happen after a functional dash
exotic stag
or its just the 1 frame thing where pbg transitions and has to align
frozen hornet
@graceful mirage you can't suggest a new class
graceful mirage
Ok fine. What about more advanced building
frozen hornet
Making a whole new class takes a massive amount of effort to balance and make new items, just look at rogue
hollow shell
Thorium Mod.
frozen hornet
That wasn't the point, the point is that rogue took an insane amount of effort to implement
graceful mirage
Are the two comparable?
hollow shell
That wasn't the point, the point is that rogue took an insane amount of effort t...
^
frozen hornet
Thorium has a healer class
graceful mirage
Compatable?
hollow shell
They are compatible yes
graceful mirage
Like character abilities?
So idk like a ln ability for each class that is like a typical RPG skill
hollow shell
It's not recommended to use the two together cuz of different balance between the two mods
but you totally can do it
graceful mirage
Like imagine mage having an ability where, with a 5 second cooldown, it could shoot a fireball or something
hollow shell
I don't know of any mods that add inherent character abilities without the use of items
mostly cuz I never delved into the RPG mods that're out there
Terraria's design philosophy is to assign stuff like that to items
graceful mirage
Calamity should add that
hollow shell
If you can think of a reason why a permanent ability like that would benefit Calamity, you can write a suggestion about it
Suggestions have to include reasoning (just look at the one above yours)
grim tusk
We got enough classes already, also theres lots of subclasses too
Stealth rogue is even getting split as well (fast regen, neutral or slow but nuke dmg)
Point blank shot ranger will exist as well
graceful mirage
Enough is cool but wouldn't more be awesome?
cobalt pewter
Damn
summer arrow
Wow, the aureus cells vote is already at 60
torn crown
Yoo I just realized that the ore slime sugg is now ⭐'d
eternal escarp
@trim sun yeahhh you need a reasoning to your suggestion
this just emenates "for the refrence" and "itd be cool"
(((also Rotom already is refrenced, by a pet lmao)))
short walrus
i think rotom was the reasoning ("add more")
still zodiac
Yeah, like as in example
eternal escarp
m
it still is pretty much just, "add it for the refrence"
@cyan folio and @old marsh you need to format your suggestions correctly
Title
(shift + enter)
Reasoning and description
also for joshy's sugg, what stops you from just making your own evil biome? there is an opposite evil island to help you with this exact issue
or you can use a mod that spawns both evils (i.e, fargos both evils)
mighty knot
four in a row, that's gotta be a record
tardy smelt
wow yeah
full pivot
you can rlly tell which ppl didnt read the doc
visual wigeon
It's like I went all the way back to like 1900s voting channel where all the messages were like that
Sorry, 2017, not 1900
Also I found this incredible message: "Yharim's fight is probably 2018..."
frozen hornet
tardy smelt
full pivot
Also I found this incredible message: "Yharim's fight is probably 2018..."
link pls
nvm found it
ashen warren
Jesus 3 crap suggestions
rich halo
very well written essays
fossil finch
Bingo!
lean bone
lets see if we can get 4 in a row
frail mantle
no thank you
crude geode
90% of what calamity adds for melee is swords, what’s the point
eternal escarp
this is still pretty much just "because why not"
exotic stag
me when launchers are still the most unused ranger weapon
grim tusk
“Add more weapons of x weapon subtype cuz i want to complete the game using only x weapon subtype”
lean bone
they have enough flamethrowers
grim tusk
- Any suggestions involving making a specific subclass (weapon type) more viable at certain point(s) in the game.
Example: Add a yoyo before this boss because it's really hard to beat it with only yoyos.
Reason: Subclass-only runs are self-imposed challenges, and Calamity should not cater to them. Suggestions to make a class as a whole more fleshed out in a given tier are okay, but for subclass suggestions there are almost always many other options for the same class that you could be using to reduce your struggle, but you chose not to use them
crystal iron
Well, you could argue that the reason isn't viability, it's variety.
grim tusk
this is still pretty much just "because why not"
And yea lack of reasoning as Blast said
also doesnt even mention that Cal only adds Charged dart blaster for darts
eternal escarp
Well, you could argue that the reason isn't viability, it's variety.
in this case they should focus on this as a reason and not just say "theres less of this add more" in a fancy way
crystal iron
I guess so, tho that begs the question, if i suggested to add more dart weapons would that also be a dont
eternal escarp
(and prolly talk about variety as a whole and not just 2 subtypes from the many ranger possess)
wooden wedge
damn if only calamity didn't already have a way to have both corruption and crimson in the same world
@cyan folio evil island exists
deft yew
i mean it does but i probably still prefer fargo's for that
might give it up in the future tho
cyan folio
<@!448719119932719105> evil island exists
and how does one do that?
lean bone
reasoning?
sleek turret
yes you can and its called waiting the mushroom to grow on normal grass
distant gyro
just purely by throwing the powder/solution on the evil mushroom
sleek turret
and that too
distant gyro
if the recipe mentioned works then
eternal escarp
just purely by throwing the powder/solution on the evil mushroom
yes
distant gyro
what stops you from adding literally every powder + evil block = normal block
like ebonstone + purification powder = stone block
eternal escarp
@abstract monolith "itd make sense" isnt really a reason
distant gyro
which sounds really tedious and kinda dumb
lean bone
if this get in, there should be the opposite
1 normal mushroom + 1 vile/vicious powder = vile/vicious mushroom
just seems like a natural thing to me 🤷
sleek turret
you could just wait mushrooms to grow
lean bone
ik
abstract monolith
eternal escarp
also @dapper coral sorry for the ping but, #suggestions-posting message this suggestion is pretty much still the same just fancied up, dunno if it still qualifies for an exclam
(and the addition of stats doesnt mean much with the 90% of broadswords compared to everything else)
hollow shell
(You say that as if it isn't a problem)
eternal escarp
i mean, yeah it is
but im not sure if just adding numbers and keeping the sugg the exact ssme really changes anything
wooden wedge
"add more weapons to the mod for the sake of yes"
eternal escarp
if this was about variety as a whole then it could focus about weapon variety in the class instead of just flamethrowers and launchers ig
yeah thats the general gist i get from that sugg
wooden wedge
I'll ! it because I don't think the reason of "there aren't as many types of this weapon so add more weapons of this type for the sake of adding them" is that valid
@old marsh above
hollow shell
if this was about variety as a whole then it could focus about weapon variety in...
I think that it is fine to just focus on the ranger class
But it should go into more detail about
why