suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

GSS is kinda uh

[royal tapir]

I've never used Sandslasher, but it seems bad

[ashen warren]

Out of the way

[eternal escarp]

Sandstorm is actually a pretty great weapon, obviously overshadowed by obvious picks like Blossom flux and Eternal Blizzard byeah

[exotic stag]

(i mean if sandstorm + p90 upgrade was possible it would happen)

(minigun of sand)

[grim tusk]

Imagine if we got a post-Plant blizzard enemy like GSS

[fossil finch]

that sugg about expanding blizzard

anyways i'd rather not

make gss more interesting first

[exotic stag]

yeah

if we just have "expand snow biome pls" then it'll become gss 2.0

ice type gss

(although i feel like combining GSS weapons with whatever thing happens to get placed for expanding snow biome weapons would be unique)

[fossil finch]

ice and fire

totally new

clearly

[tardy smelt]

snow biome is supposed to be a counterpart to the desert but currently it feels kind of inferior to it

[exotic stag]

well

[fossil finch]

because vanilla never expanded upon snow biome

[tardy smelt]

neither does calamity really

[exotic stag]

vanillas only reason to go for the snow biome: frost wings

[fossil finch]

all of calamity's desert content was after vanilla's desert expansion

[tardy smelt]

it only gives it a boss, a type of ore, and an enemy

[fossil finch]

more than one enemy

but anyways

[exotic stag]

theres like 4 enemies

[fossil finch]

permafrost castle when

[lean bone]

^

when perma castle

[exotic stag]

isnt perma a wizard? wouldn't he have a wizard tower

[lean bone]

no a castle

[hollow shell]

He had a castle in the lore cuz he was just built different

[lean bone]

^

[fossil finch]

technically cryogen is the castle

[hollow shell]

yeah

[fossil finch]

but we can just make it spawn post cryo

[exotic stag]

he had too many books

[lean bone]

no that would be a lot of blocks spawning

[fossil finch]

idk you destroy the runes and that makes the castle just spawn

that wouldn't really make much lag

[exotic stag]

(since cryogen is ice why not make rain deadlier post cryo. because hail exists)

[fossil finch]

post cryo blizzard expansion could make sense

[hollow shell]

Doesn't Death Mode already have hail during blizzards

[exotic stag]

probably i just didnt care about death changes ngl

they were really anticlimactic

[hollow idol]

the game freezes for like only half a second when placing a gigantic structurehelper schematic while in a world. dunno how calamity's schematic system would handle something somewhat large being placed while in a world

[exotic stag]

well i mean it'd probably act like hardmode

[fossil finch]

don't think it'd be worse

[eternal escarp]

yeah icicles drop down in a snowstorm

[exotic stag]

(but you cant forget you fight cryo in the ice biome.. thats kinda small ngl)

(so wouldnt there be a chance for the player to get spawned inside the castle when it breaks..?)

[fossil finch]

in any case, the real issue would trying to not fuck over player builds

it could always just be underground

[exotic stag]

tru..

[lean bone]

or just do cal val way and have it spawn during world gen but not accessable until post cryo

[hollow idol]

avoiding chest, astral monolith, and dungeon brick code

[fossil finch]

ok but yuh is cringe

:trol:

[exotic stag]

truer

[eternal escarp]

roasted...

(YuH is based ngl)

[hollow idol]

YuH. true

(the above applies to both statements)

[eternal escarp]

paradox.

[exotic stag]

of time.

[tawny garden]

Sulphoric

[eternal escarp]

its sulphuric, isn't it?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[stray oriole]

your suggestions arson man

tbh...

[eternal escarp]

god dangit

ill fix in a bit

[stray oriole]

I like the idea

[tawny garden]

[stray oriole]

maybe all the sand you can use with it can have a certain thing it does

and not just the new 3 ones

[eternal escarp]

all biome sands have pierce

[tawny garden]

"hey look at sugg posting"
"ok" immediately spots a minor spelling mistake

[eternal escarp]

thats their uniquness iirc

[hollow idol]

eutro and sulphur sands dont really behave like actual sands, just in name only. Astral Sand I agree with tho

[eternal escarp]

normal sand is just a single shot

[eternal escarp]

yeah i felt like those 2 would make less sense

which is why i specified astral sand in the brackets

maybe i shpuld change the title to Allow Astral Sand (and maybe even Sulphuric Sand and Eutropic Sand..

[tawny garden]

Allow Astral Sand (and possibly Sulphuric and Eutropic Sand) to be used as ammunition for the Sandgun and the Sandstorm

yeah put astral at first if it makes the most sense

[eternal escarp]

and possibly Sulphoric

byeah, made the sugg easier to look at aswell, hopefully

[tawny garden]

fuck

[tawny garden]

this should be mentioned in the sugg I think @eternal escarp

[eternal escarp]

i somewhat did mention this

though i could expand on it more, if you can tell me how

[tawny garden]

ah

[deft yew]

bruh i did not expect that lo
thanks for approval

[tawny garden]

all suggs go to voting unless they break a rule

[deft yew]

ah

[tawny garden]

[exotic stag]

any sugg without a exclam gets to go to voting.. poggers

[deft yew]

there are some that get removed bc redundancy as well

[exotic stag]

yeah

[deft yew]

i learned that via suggesting crates not drop reaper teeth pre-OD, which is already a thing

we kinda had to dig for the answer though

[exotic stag]

yeah

some answers arent hidden on the surface

[fossil finch]

When the ☑️

[hollow shell]

byeah

Honestly I don't know why we haven't done this yet

Fell by the wayside ig

[cobalt pewter]

Should this be frequently suggested? Not in a bad way, sure, but it's fairly common

[trim sun]

hi

[hollow shell]

... hello

[trim sun]

hm

[silver silo]

You good bro?

[hollow shell]

I've never thought about this before

[safe oasis]

@gleaming inlet why should calamity do this and not whatever other qol mod

it is a good idea though, just maybe for another mod

[gleaming inlet]

@vague sailc sorry, didnt see this, idk if calamity should do this, it just seems up their alley, if another mod was made for this that would be cool too

[cobalt pewter]

Mmyes wrong ping

[silver silo]

Mm mmyes

[gleaming inlet]

oops

sorry

[vague sail]

yeah wrong ping lol
its fine

[torn crown]

Fab has said that he prefers the users to not have to download a bunch of mods (in the context of qol's) to enjoy calamity, but I'm not really sure of its boundaries/specifics

[silver silo]

I have to ask, is “make the core items animated” a frequently asked suggestion, or is it even a valid suggestion at all

Core items being cores of calamity etc

[hollow shell]

That would be valid. I don't think I've seen that as a suggestion before

(Core of Calamity specifically used to be animated, back when it had a totally different sprite)

[silver silo]

Well the cores and essences are essentially calamity’s version of souls right

They even float

So it feels like it’d be appropriate to make them all have some form of animation to match, even if just a simple pulsating or such

[tardy smelt]

Poggers

Now hope it gets accepted (not expecting it will for some reason )

[summer arrow]

Yay! I hope it gets accepted

[distant gyro]

Please don't make suggestions over one screenshot length

[tardy smelt]

Me: posts my first suggestion
Random person: wall of text much

Me: posts this suggestion
Everyone: yeah seems good

-gets rejected for being a wall of text

[frozen hornet]

Yo nice

[worn salmon]

signus' crusty cloak

[lean bone]

the boss health bar is a reference

(well, its design is a reference)

but yeah it might need a touch up

wait

[hollow shell]

ohp, and it's gone

[lean bone]

what - where did the boss healthbar touch up go? who killed boss health bar suggestion?

[charred token]

I did

[lean bone]

damn you destroyed it

[tardy smelt]

destroyed to pieces

[exotic stag]

too much bobux

[summer arrow]

I like how the sand sand gun suggestion came out like 2 hours ago and already has 56 stars (I did the 56th star)

[lean bone]

damn alot of people want armored digger real miniboss

[quaint valve]

cause its a cool idea tbh

[fossil finch]

@ashen warren i'm 50% sure that the thing was fixed for next update, also a bug so like it's not really an allowed sugg

[ashen warren]

Aight ok imma delete it then

[summer arrow]

What was it?

[fossil finch]

fixing the wrong rotation with the cryo ore javaline rogue weapon thing

(it's thrown sideways when it shouldn't)

[summer arrow]

Ah

[hollow shell]

For you, put 441671871583223808 in:suggestions-voting into Discord's search bar
That long number is your User ID

If you're looking really old, then just do from:dunamis#1218 in:suggestions-voting

[finite smelt]

is that really for suggestions discussion sylva?

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure having boss health bar for EoW segments on lower end PCs would implode them

[deft yew]

i don't think this is quite clear enough in terms of what the SOLUTION would be

[crude geode]

Also for EoW it already says the number of segments left, or for Ceaseless Void it says the number of dark energies left

[fossil finch]

yeah but their point is that it should display the specific health

for some reason

they just

don't say that

in the sugg

[deft yew]

i think i see what is needed here

"allow the boss bar to show total health for multi-parted enemies"

[ashen warren]

@serene berry ^ might want to actually say what you want to happen in the suggestion

[crude geode]

Yeah the suggestion never actually states what it wants the change to be

[serene berry]

DOh

ok fixed it

im dumb

[exotic stag]

ui feel like this shouldn't apply to certain mobs (i.e ceaseless/eow) as that can still crash lower end pcs as said from cursed up here

[serene berry]

yeah

[exotic stag]

rather make it apply to stuff like skeletron primes arms and such

[serene berry]

yes

thats what i had in mind

[exotic stag]

a way easier alternative that still includes your suggestion

OR make it a config option while still including the prime arm thing. except make it have a warning saying "high end pc's only"

[serene berry]

yea

[exotic stag]

alr cool thats gud you can go ahead and add it if you want in a little second thing

(by that i mean add it saying "it could be a configured option for higher end pc's to include stuff like eow segments or ceaseless energies. while as a low end pc option it could include skeletron primes arms" or something like that)

[fossil finch]

(i don't know how would this impact performance exactly)

[serene berry]

ok completed

[ashen warren]

It wouldn't

I think cursed meant having 30+ healthbars for each segment

Remove the bit about maybe not eow and exo mechs as they aren't in game ye

[fossil finch]

well, they're capped to like, 3, so that wouldn't happen

in any case, it is not what they're asking for at all

[exotic stag]

what we could do is make a mini HPbar instead for segments like skprimes arms..

like stack 4 healthbars in a square (smaller then the skprime main one) with the name of the segment and hp

boom simple

[ashen warren]

Sprime having one is different to eow having one

[exotic stag]

yeah im not so sure about eow

but prime im pretty sure we can do

[ashen warren]

Sprimes head isn't an arm but eows segments are all the same

It would be the opposite imo

[exotic stag]

prime has 4 limbs. the head is the main hp bar. just make the limbs just 4 different mini hp bars

[ashen warren]

Why though

For eow it's because it just displays one segment as a health bar

[exotic stag]

well yes.

[ashen warren]

And they want it to just have one health bar for the entire boss instead

[exotic stag]

a

i read it wrong then

[ashen warren]

Sprime already shows the total health

[exotic stag]

yeah i went back and reread it im dum dum

[ashen warren]

I think they've confused themself because skeletrom and prime already have one combined hp bar

[exotic stag]

yes

[serene berry]

yea

just so you could read le text

and be like

oh im screwed anyways

[ashen warren]

.

You're describing something different to what you mean then in the suggestion

Prime and skeletrom have one healthbar so instead of saying make them have one say make eow have one like they do

And remove the exo mention as you can't suggest things about unreleased content

[hollow shell]

I don't think you need that last line at all imo

Not a needed clarification.

[ashen warren]

I just checked again and eow has one healthbar unlees it bugs with the vile spit

So what exactly are you suggesting?

Are you asking for the actual health to be added to the existing hp bar?

[serene berry]

yes and for skele prime/skeletron once the arms are defeated

[ashen warren]

Have the first line clearly be what you want changed

Because it's halfway down in the middle of a sentence and people aren't going to understand

You don't need the whole spiel about setting a scenario first

[serene berry]

done

not

[ashen warren]

(you don't need it at all tbh)

You could just say what you want changed and explain it as it makes the healthbar more useful

[serene berry]

its for context

also i think its a bit better now

[ashen warren]

I don't think you need context for this unless you're really unimaginative

Lol

[serene berry]

just for reference

i like a good story

[silver silo]

@hollow shell

#suggestions-posting

[trim sun]

no

[hollow shell]

@trim sun Don't do that.

[trim sun]

sorry rover

[trim sun]

remember me im gamerboiz

[hollow shell]

I see, you've rebranded.

[silver silo]

Well since we’re here you doing good rover?

[hollow shell]

Uh, yeah I'm fine

[silver silo]

👍

[trim sun]

yeah

[tardy smelt]

looking at my armor sugg, retrospectively, I think I did a good job at not making my armor set ideas be the center of the suggestion

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message well I guess thats a reaction bingo

[lean bone]

how much thumbs up does the most thumbs up suggestion have?

[grim tusk]

Thumb up or No entry amount doesnt matter, just 1 needed

[lean bone]

but i want to know

idc if it doesnt matter i just want to know

[distant gyro]

the 1 thumbs up matter

it's not live voted on voting

[lean bone]

wait no i meant stars

[distant gyro]

if you ask for the most highly voted then it's I think 13-0

stars somewhere in the 300's

[lean bone]

ok i thought it would be in the 400's

ok thanks

anyway i have a new suggestion idea but no reasoning but "consistency"

its acid rain tier 2 music

[earnest raptor]

radioactive is fairly crude choice tho

it was scrapped for a reason

[lean bone]

radioactive?

[earnest raptor]

the theme that was used before nuclear monsoon

[lean bone]

oh that one

no i mean a new theme for tier 2

not reusing radioactive

[earnest raptor]

then it's straight up don't because too much effort

[lean bone]

ok

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[torn crown]

Wasn't radioactive's motif also used for toxic wisdom?

[lean bone]

radioactive was made after toxic wisdom

[torn crown]

ack

I see

For some reason I thought that it was the other way around

[full pivot]

t f

[lean bone]

cursed

[hollow shell]

Funnily enough, the increase default building speed part of the suggestion was the one that got rejected

[fossil finch]

bruhve

funnily enough, i don't think it's the only one that's aproved, rejected, and implemented

[exotic stag]

it got rejected and accepted. which caused a paradox

[tardy smelt]

eyyy this sugg's finally gaining some traction

unsure if it will ever pass into dev voting though

[ashen warren]

self promotion

[exotic stag]

[hollow shell]

@high moon This is a fine idea, but you need to format your suggestion properly

[high moon]

My

Bad

[hollow shell]

You need a title/summary at the top
Then reasoning/elaboration below
Separated by a line break (Shift+Enter)

[high moon]

Ok

[lean bone]

reasoning, water is annoying

[hollow shell]

Mhm

It is pretty annoying to uh
drown

and need to find a large cave below you to drain out any water you accumulate

and, if going through a lake, build walls on either side to minimize the water content

[safe oasis]

rerouting the water is part of the fun from building a hellevator though, otherwise it would just be "hold click for 2 hours" simulator

bonus points being that you can reroute to lava and get obsidian

[hollow shell]

This proposed item could be later in the game

when you've already had to deal with the rerouting and don't wanna experience it again

[lean bone]

maybe post aquatic scourge would fit

not too late but not too early

[safe oasis]

fair, but when are you gonna have an actual use case for it past building a hellevator? if you're just mining regularly, you can always walk away from the water

[lean bone]

while yes, there could be other circumstances where it would be needed

i cant think of some at the top of my head but

[hollow shell]

mmm yeah and I suppose later in the game you'll have access to aquatic accessories

to keep in your vanity or Money Trough

[lean bone]

maybe as a purchase from amidas

after a certain boss

so you dont have to go out of your way to get it

also another thing is its basically a better super absorbent sponge

[lean bone]

Eoc Shield > True Shield Of Cthulhu

[fossil finch]

technically ramming

is an upgrade

i mean in general dodges that can pass through enemies are better than bonks unless iframes are being too funny

[hollow shell]

@exotic ibex You should acknowledge the Asgard line and Ninja Belt line with their dashes, and you should mention why a SoC upgrade would be potentially preferable over the pass-through shield dashes and belt dodges that are present later in the game

Explain why you want the bonk function, or, why the bonk function would be welcome as an alternative to the pass-throughs

[exotic ibex]

uh oh I forgot, are asgard and it's upgrades dodge the attack on the collision?

[hollow shell]

They do give you i-frames when you dash through the boss yes

[exotic ibex]

lol

I did some changes

[hollow shell]

Alright, this is much better

Thank you

[exotic stag]

i do gotta agree with umbra on this one

SoC feels just like this wasted potential

(dammit i was gonna ping spider to tell him about y'know.. just blocking off the liquid and then draining it out by digging left or just use sponge but hes offline)

[strange dragon]

i mean new asguard and upgrades give a set amount of iframes so i dont think it is going to be a problem

[fossil finch]

((It's not underused at all))

((Most of them are extremely strong))

[hollow shell]

byeah I personally disagree with this sugg
heavily

I'd rather not make the gimmick of a whole line of weapons throughout the game
irrelevant

[fossil finch]

Same

[hollow shell]

@steady cloud You need to add a reason to your suggestion

Separated from your title with a link break, aka Shift+Enter

[fossil finch]

Damn it has to be a hella good reason

Best reasoning this channel could ever see

[sleek wadi]

Might be an okay bloodmoon line I guess???? Yeah you gotta have good reasoning for this

[grim tusk]

Yea seems only reasonable during blood moon, but like why tho

[steady cloud]

oh shit

MB

@hollow shell ive got a word doc with this almost done give me an hour or so

[hollow shell]

What

[steady cloud]

:)

[steady cloud]

..

i gotchu

ill delete the suggestion FN

[hollow shell]

Are you being sarcastic, cuz it only needs to be a few sentences or a paragraph

[steady cloud]

nope ive got about a paragraph rn maybe more

[grim tusk]

Actually what was the last time a word doc has been provided as reasoning

#suggestions-voting message i think its this

[hollow shell]

Last time a Google Doc was used in a suggestion
was April of this year (a resugg, originally posted in February)
Then before that, February (also reused)
Then January was the last originally-written Google Doc for a suggestion

#suggestions-voting message

For one reason or another, "has:link" doesn't look inside bot embeds

[grim tusk]

Rather strange

The only time i used a google doc here was the nerfing energy staff sugg

[uncut minnow]

wait i don't think that the metal detector need a buff because chaos amulet

[hollow shell]

oh boy

@cursive sequoia You need to add a reason to your suggestion

Separated from your title with a link break, aka Shift+Enter

[grim tusk]

the stealth rogue diagonal dashes exist
GS is getting its revive swapped for a diagonal dash

[deft yew]

and nebulous core gets the GS revive which is nice

[grim tusk]

Actually why were plague fueled pack and blunder booster made stealth rogue exclusive?

[fossil finch]

I think this would remove a lot of the point

Vertical velocity isn't supposed to be as easy to access as horizontal one

[tardy smelt]

maybe they just wanted more stealth rogue accessories

[fossil finch]

• it removes the special part of, say, gs setbonus next update

[exotic stag]

(also brimstones laser beam? isnt that just a stationary thing?)

[fossil finch]

That's predictive

You need to go up and down and up and down

Wings suffice, though

[tardy smelt]

yeah

wings are pretty goddamn strong

[exotic stag]

i mean still. isnt it a stationary beam?

[fossil finch]

Yeah

After it is fired it stays there

Projectiles come out of it but that's it

[tardy smelt]

I guess that, back when they were first introduced, they were supposed to be some sort of OP endgame-tier mobility item

back when the mechs were the final bosses

[exotic stag]

yeah so if its literally stationary

just place it aiming to the right or left straight to that direction

and just dodge the blasts with movement

[tardy smelt]

diep.io reference

[frozen hornet]

Is it that funny triangle summoner tank

[tardy smelt]

fuck drone mains I take ramming builds over drones any day of the week

yeah

more summon control would be cool but the suggestion needs better formatting imo

[frozen hornet]

tbh this is kinda what I imagined with the void armor a while back

summons following your cursor ramming enemies and dying

[crude geode]

Summoner already has less items due to the programming necessary to make them functional

Making them more complex would just make it even more of a headache

[grim tusk]

Wasnt summons attacking cursor rejected already?

[crude geode]

Nope

At least if it was, never reached voting

[exotic stag]

well "precise control" of summons can be just targetting..

which summons mostly have

[ashen warren]

@native sinew doesn't summoner's association have this

[native sinew]

same, i main fighter

but i just thought that it would be a good analogy

let me reiterate

i think an item that allowed precise control of your minion's attacks and positioning, similar to the diep.io drones as an example, would be interesting

[tardy smelt]

yeah, I understand what you mean

I just think that you could argument this a little differently

and also present it a little differently

[native sinew]

fair enough

[royal tapir]

diep.io reference moment

[tardy smelt]

currently, most of summoner is indeed just summoning your summons at the start of the fight, right?

[royal tapir]

I haven't heard that name in a while

[native sinew]

its just a good reference

the way the drones are controlled in diep.io are pretty cool

and quite fun

[tardy smelt]

I feel that it kind of.... strays away from what summoner is supposed to represent

[native sinew]

and i believe that will add significantly more responsiveness to summoner, and more feeling of interaction

[tardy smelt]

like- I'm not even sure it's supposed to represent anything at this point, to the point where it's just become a meta-ified class

like Melee that's just become infested with projectile swords for no reason and has literally forgotten what it means to be melee

so, what is summoner?

I think it's supposed to be like you're a party leader

a commander

and so being able to re-organise your troups can make for an interesting dynamic gameplay-wise, for those who seek it

[native sinew]

yeah

it could also even make summoner want different units

for different roles

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[native sinew]

hear me out, going out of the realm of possible changes

[tardy smelt]

setup variety!

[native sinew]

what if minions had hp

and blocked shots or something

and you had to manually resummon them

[tardy smelt]

oh, that's...

[native sinew]

and it took some resource or time

[tardy smelt]

[native sinew]

ok no this isnt a terraria idea anymore

[tardy smelt]

I think it would only work for a standalone summon

[native sinew]

yeah

[tardy smelt]

not an entire class

[native sinew]

im just mulling it over, it wont work for terraria

but i think that direct control would make summoner much more engaging

the whips helped with that, but the whips made summoner into weird melee

[tardy smelt]

it means that people have to be more involved in the "dealing damage" part of fights when playing the class... a.k.a. they'll be able to focus less on dodging

[native sinew]

frankly i believe the best designed class in terraria is the mage

[tardy smelt]

yeah, whips were indeed an attempt at making you feel like you're commanding them rather than loosing them onto your poor poor opponent and letting them rip it to shreds... but now you're just ripping that person to shreds

[native sinew]

since its the only class, that in my opinion NAILS the concept

[tardy smelt]

in calamity, mage is indeed the superior class

[native sinew]

mage is abobut managing your primary resource into varied and devastating attacks

[tardy smelt]

melee could've been great

but it's not

[native sinew]

but melee is basically just

manaless mage

ranger,

ranger ill get back to it

we already discussed summoner

but ranger, feels a bit lacking in depth

compared to mage

but then again so does melee

however, a true melee wouldnt work in a terraria though

unless

the projkectiles should be quites short range imo

[tardy smelt]

it very much can

[native sinew]

if the sword projectiles were significantly shorter

you would then need to manage range

[tardy smelt]

if sword projectiles didn't exist

[native sinew]

like how mage manages mana

imagine fighting stuff like the twins with a broadsword

[tardy smelt]

I'm doing a true melee playthrough atm and even if some bosses don't work as well with it, it's an absolute blast to play

[native sinew]

ranger is weird

ranger is your basic shooty shooty

[tardy smelt]

Brimlance works on them

it's a bop

[native sinew]

fair enough

do yoyos and flails count

[tardy smelt]

they're technically not true melee

but they still have the soul of what melee is supposed to be imo

in most cases

short range high-risk high-reward high-skill ceiling combat

[tardy smelt]

it tries to be a marksman

and the ammo types try to be a resource-management and a mix-and-max mechanic

[native sinew]

but the thing is, its not resource managements

its just getting a ton

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[native sinew]

and bounding frfom ammo type to another

[tardy smelt]

and that's what I meant to say

[native sinew]

i believe terraria completely fucked up their class concepts truth be told

BUT

BUT

terraria's core gameplay loop, bosses and all

is incredible

so that just kind of carries it

[tardy smelt]

no, it's the replayability actually

[native sinew]

but when have you played melee or ranger or mage and really thought

this is a different experience

[tardy smelt]

you can play the game in so many different ways

[native sinew]

thats part of the gameplay loop i would say

its an elegant game

[tardy smelt]

far from it

but it's a succesful one

and a genius one in some ways

anyway, so, about the ammo thing

funnily Darts do this right

[native sinew]

i mean, the way terraria gives the player reasons to venture into areas where theyre hopelessly outmatched

and then have them come back

[wooden wedge]

@native sinew formatting, among other things

[native sinew]

and really let it sink in

that theyve come very far

[tardy smelt]

not always

[native sinew]

a lot of the time

[tardy smelt]

snow is pretty pointless

[native sinew]

true

[tardy smelt]

jungle is very high risk for relatively little rewards

[native sinew]

but other than snow

[native sinew]

whaaatt

jungle is huge rewards

[tardy smelt]

yeah jungle is fucking deadly

[native sinew]

the dreaded pre hm jungle

its deadly as hell

but that makes it so satisfying

[tardy smelt]

1.4 desert is worse though

[native sinew]

to go deeper and deeper into it

and you come back later

and you breeze through

then hardmode kicks in

[tardy smelt]

exploration is fun

[native sinew]

and oog

[tardy smelt]

progression is fun too

[native sinew]

one thing i have against terraria though

is i believe the actual boss fight experience, while great may be the weakest part of the loop

often its more about the preperations

it feels amazing to win a boss

[tardy smelt]

anyway- in early hardmode there's three different dart types and two different dart guns you can get around the same type, as long as you can access both world evils at the same time. What darts do so well is that different dart types work better in different situations

[native sinew]

it feels amazing to clutch a close one

[tardy smelt]

in calamity it's the opposite actually

[native sinew]

but its more a "i did it, i survived" than a "i beat the boss", like games like darkest dungeon and hollow knight

[wooden wedge]

question

[native sinew]

true

[wooden wedge]

what does this have to do with the sugg

[tardy smelt]

we derailed

[native sinew]

indeed

anyways

[tardy smelt]

e.g. we went from what summoner does wrong to what other classes do wrong to the design philosophy of terraria

let's get back to topic

[native sinew]

i believe that terraria bosses could be made better if everything was slowed down, however

but that would require a rtestructure of EVERYTHING

but by slowed down i dont mean pace i mean literal speed

when a boss is moving at that speed, you more or less have to engage at a longer range

[tardy smelt]

cough

first off fix the formatting on your suggestion

[native sinew]

ok

[tardy smelt]

read the top message of #suggestions-posting

[wooden wedge]

judging by how they completely ignored me twice I think they blocked me lol

[full pivot]

why would they block a mod tho

thats just a recipe for punishment

[wooden wedge]

who knows

[tardy smelt]

uhh

that's not fixing the suggestion formatting

[wooden wedge]

yeah......

[tardy smelt]

[wooden wedge]

@native sinew read the pins please
also you can edit your messages

edits don't trigger slowmode as well so

also yeah wouldn't another mod already have this feature ?

I haven't played summoners association

[native sinew]

oh what

sorry

ok, edited

[tardy smelt]

that's.... still not correct

it has to be formatted like this

insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<>insert your argumentation here<

[wooden wedge]

one linebreak works

[tardy smelt]

didn't know

still find it easier to read with two

[wooden wedge]

the bot automatically does that when it goes into voting I think

[tardy smelt]

can imagine

[distant gyro]

and auto bolds for you

in case you're a lazy fuck

[tardy smelt]

even then, I prefer having that formatting there as well in #suggestions-posting

[silver silo]

errr scared of pinging so just gonna hope you see but theres a few 200+ suggestions sandstone

assuming y'all havent noticed yet

[tardy smelt]

what's up with those?

and yeah, I have noticed

those get automatically sent to dev

[silver silo]

don't they have to get manually sent?

[eternal escarp]

they do

[wooden wedge]

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-voting message placable victide
#suggestions-voting message cultist prevention
#suggestions-voting message invisibility change

[silver silo]

ah here he is

[eternal escarp]

linked some i found for your easy, sand

[silver silo]

hi sand

[wooden wedge]

uh

[robust lava]

I don’t think Sand sends them?

[wooden wedge]

yeah

I don't

[silver silo]

the devs do then?

[wooden wedge]

I don't even think I have access to whatever channels they're sent to in dev

[silver silo]

who am I pinging 🙂

[wooden wedge]

rover

[silver silo]

well I would if he was around

[wooden wedge]

when he is awake

[eternal escarp]

oh, i thought every mod is able? good to know

[robust lava]

Usually Rover, Brav or Dom iirc?

[silver silo]

they're all devs right

[wooden wedge]

@zenith hazel

[robust lava]

Rover is the safest bet to ping if needed

[silver silo]

yeah rovers chill

[distant gyro]

I'm doing it

[zenith hazel]

yea

[silver silo]

smh what did brav get pinged for then

[robust lava]

Ah, I thought Altix might also have had powers, but wasn’t sure

[silver silo]

[eternal escarp]

yeah i couldve sworn altix could do that aswell but didnt wanna sound like an idiot lmao

[wooden wedge]

🗿

[silver silo]

[eternal escarp]

insert moyai reaction here

[wooden wedge]

no

[eternal escarp]

boohooing rn

byeah

[silver silo]

the rogue buff station sugg is literally 1 away from 200

[distant gyro]

didn't even get all of them lol!

Anyways Sandstone can't send suggestions because he is a Trial Tester

or mod suggestions, rather -- I also have no perms to send server suggestions because I'm not a moderator

Mod suggestions go into a dev server channel where Full Tester/Dev is required

[tardy smelt]

hmm

by the way was this suggestion posted earlier in dev voting

[distant gyro]

on 10/07

[wooden wedge]

one day (maybe)

[tardy smelt]

...than this one

shit internet died

[fossil finch]

it's aproved

:hooboo:

[distant gyro]

neutral vote

actually

there's no votes whatsoever

this is interesting

[silver silo]

🤔

[frozen hornet]

Pretty funny

Hope it gets approved

[distant gyro]

but technically the answer is yes

the bottom suggestion is sent later, at the same day

[fossil finch]

time to never see it implemented

[tardy smelt]

uhh

I'm not sure what my response to this is supposed to be

like- I could see several reasons why it can get rejected

[distant gyro]

usually if there's no votes on a suggestion sandwiched between two voted suggestions it means that one is going to remain neutral until the end of time

[silver silo]

I mean you're asking for two armor sets when a single one (exo) is being delayed

[tardy smelt]

yes and no

I'm not straightup suggesting two new armor sets- I'm just pointing out that it makes sense to add these two armors HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, and also how it would benefit overall progression

[silver silo]

🤔

[fossil finch]

((they're also not really giving any time as to when they should do it)

[silver silo]

oh for sure just saying would def be a lot of work

[wooden wedge]

...which has the same effect of adding two new armor sets

[tardy smelt]

YES

but I provided reasons as to why

[tardy smelt]

never denied that

and that's the main reason I'd expect a reject

though what Altix said more seems to suggest a scenario in which the sugg ends up in dev voting hell

[distant gyro]

I also no-voted so get trolled

[tardy smelt]

[silver silo]

[tardy smelt]

thing is that devs have different priorities than the people who vote in suggs-voting

people in suggs-voting like shiny stuff like cool effects, small details that add to atmosphere and such, and generally suggs that point out major issues with implementation and design

[distant gyro]

I see it as this

[tardy smelt]

whereas developers add in a sense of knowledge of actual game design to the matter

e.g. is this a good fucking idea

[distant gyro]

Prismatic armor was a donator item so as such it never really needed to set a precedent for anything

[earnest raptor]

ban suggestions that have connections to donator gear

[distant gyro]

so there's no true Sentinel armor

[fossil finch]

complete and utter failure

[silver silo]

[distant gyro]

kinda further supported by the fact that the armor included Prov's geodes for some mysterious reasons

[tardy smelt]

fair

[fossil finch]

anyways this sugg

is uh

uh

??????/

no?(?)

[silver silo]

can I have a fucking uhhhhhhhhhhh

reject

[fossil finch]

no but really does anyone have anything to say about this sugg because it's weird

it's like

uh

if you're
Uh
outtiering a boss enough

you deal 1k dps to it

[torn crown]

Another name for Reactive DR is Timed DR, therefore it's taking away the intended function of stalling the kill-time

[fossil finch]

first of all, reactive dr won't reduce your stuff that much

[torn crown]

Also adrenaline exists

[fossil finch]

and second of all, you're killing it

in like

3 seconds

so the uh

enrage thing

wouldn't do shit

[earnest raptor]

echsad

[fossil finch]

(i just don't get why)

[earnest raptor]

ideas failure

[fossil finch]

like how would this do anything

[earnest raptor]

deleted

[silver silo]

dw about it ideas were made to be suggested

(no guarantee they'll be good)

[wooden wedge]

I thought reactive DR just like
only existed for testers

[fossil finch]

isn't it like

EXTREMELY weak

[distant gyro]

yes

[earnest raptor]

okay, I get it, I misunderstood dumb mechanic

[distant gyro]

very weak except certain bosses

(worms)

[fossil finch]

(night provi)

[torn crown]

Night provi has 1000% DR right?

[fossil finch]

no

she has strong timed dr

[distant gyro]

10x as reactive

[fossil finch]

1000% dr would just make you deal 1 damage

[torn crown]

I'm talking about the strength btw, not the reduction factor

[distant gyro]

but that just means you can actually get up to 100% DR if you melt hard enough

[torn crown]

oh wait I forgot to add the "timed-" part I see

[distant gyro]

usually it's impossible to get anywhere close to 100% DR

[torn crown]

Speaking about provi

Why are most, if not all of the attack names lean on holiness, isn't she supposed to be in denial of both sides?

[silver silo]

since this chat is active I'm going to ask how many people here are opposed to the idea of bloom slimes only spawning in the jungle and cryo slimes only spawning in the underground snow

[torn crown]

Not a bad idea

For one, it does decrease item bloat

[fossil finch]

i mean
Unholy,,

BETTER

idea

.
FUCK ore slimes
Make BETTER enemies

((it's a good idea))

[wooden wedge]

YuH dies

(murder)

[fossil finch]

lesgo

[frozen hornet]

Ents to replace bloom slimes because funny tree

[silver silo]

I mean yeah but the first step would be to make the ice and jungle slimes spawn in the biomes they're meant to

[fossil finch]

ore slimes can live on on goozma's

[distant gyro]

(deadzone)

[fossil finch]

ok but hear me out

[torn crown]

Progression Ore mobs no longer free

[fossil finch]

eulibloom is now a tree that gens post provi (don't ask how it just does)

and the ore slimes are now ents

[silver silo]

🤨

[torn crown]

ents?

[silver silo]

free?

[frozen hornet]

Ents are basically trees but alive

[tardy smelt]

they're a LOTR thing

[torn crown]

It's not like you'd normally die to a slime post-ml

[fossil finch]

no they're a fantasy mythos thing

[frozen hornet]

tree thing

[fossil finch]

look it's a tere

[crude ice]

🌟 what does this mean in suggestions posting?

[fossil finch]

good fucking question actually (nothign)

[crude ice]

checked the pins but there's no mention of it

[frozen hornet]

I've never seen that used in suggs voting nor posting

[torn crown]

Ah so mourning wood but more humanoid

[eternal escarp]

neither have i

[fossil finch]

it's just that someone used the wrong star emoji while doign it manually or whatever

[tardy smelt]

:shut:

[distant gyro]

wait im fucking good

[eternal escarp]

also

[crude ice]

here's the message i'm talking about: #suggestions-voting message

[frozen hornet]

omw to remove a st

[distant gyro]

Star2 is the dev equivalent of Approved

[eternal escarp]

i will be sending a pipe bomb to your mailbox.

[crude ice]

oh ok, thanks

[frozen hornet]

[distant gyro]

I usually am able to catch myself if it happens

UNLESS the bot doesn't work

[fossil finch]

anyways as much as i'd like to discuss sky aerealite, tree eulibloom and idk flower perennial, AND herb tenebris
we can't (bohoo)

[distant gyro]

if it's the valid reaction then the color to the left changes

[frozen hornet]

flower perennial would be funny

[distant gyro]

if bot is unresponsive that doesn't happen

[tardy smelt]

against sugg rules?

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[fossil finch]

no not at all

it's just not for this channel

[frozen hornet]

m

[fossil finch]

((because someone's not sugging that)

and even then it'd uh

die

somewhere around the process

[frozen hornet]

Sugg it then

[fossil finch]

or be introduced 2490204 years after

me omw to

[tardy smelt]

the issue I see with what you're saying is is uh

[torn crown]

Make it more general so that you can piggyback on the sugg's vagueness

[tardy smelt]

what to do with existing structures

[frozen hornet]

Cryonic could be salvaged from broken down machines in the tundra

Remnants of daedalus tech

[fossil finch]

nothing i think

like just let them be

[tardy smelt]

yeah... but what if they're everywhere

[fossil finch]

who builds with ores

i think

[earnest raptor]

bloom slimes are the only viable source of ores

[tardy smelt]

no like- just built stuffs inside of the areas where these uelitrees would generate

[earnest raptor]

maybe there should be more engaging way

[tardy smelt]

one solution could be that they generate from the start of the game

[fossil finch]

trees don't just generate like that uh

i don't

i don't get your point

like trees can grow naturally

[torn crown]

Uelibloom already grows like chlorophyte

[tardy smelt]

oh

[fossil finch]

without any player imput

[tardy smelt]

I thought you meant like- living wood trees

made of blocks

[fossil finch]

no

i mean

i mean trees

like literal trees

[tardy smelt]

yeah I see what you mean

[earnest raptor]

what

[fossil finch]

anyways

[tardy smelt]

that'd be neat yeah

[torn crown]

wait so those are the ones that drop perennial ore?

[earnest raptor]

I just checked wiki and it doesn't mention uelibloom being a growing ore

[fossil finch]

i have absolutely no idea what am i writing and i am probably not posting this one but uh

lol

[torn crown]

Doesn't it grow after some post-provi boss gets killed or something

[earnest raptor]

no

[frozen hornet]

it appears after provi

[torn crown]

Yeah

[frozen hornet]

no clue if it actually grows or not

[earnest raptor]

!wiki uelibloom ore

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Uelibloom_Ore

[earnest raptor]

it doesn't grow, look

[torn crown]

I think there's a second message about fossilized bark

Either that or I'm inhaling shrooms

it does smell a bit mushy

[frozen hornet]

I don't think there's any other message mentioning fossilized bark

[tardy smelt]

I think it just generates once

and if you run out of ore you'll have to resort to slimes

[earnest raptor]

you do, because I wouldn't make 226 stars suggestion about uelibloom being scarce

[fossil finch]

i still have absolutely no idea what am i writing

[earnest raptor]

you are writing suggestion

[frozen hornet]

post it (here) tbh

[earnest raptor]

here we go

[fossil finch]

Change the way multiple calamity ores are obtained.

❔

Currently, all calamity ores are obtained while normally mining, and while that makes sense, this ends up being repetitive and boring.
Changing the way you can obtain them would add uniqueness and variety to a play through and would also allow for the themes of these ores to be explored more, for example, Uelibloom could generate as trees or generate inside mahogany living trees

fix that

(((((i STOLE thomas' signature ❔ )))))

[distant gyro]

the grey question mark is the most useless shit ever ngl

[frozen hornet]

thomas uses a bolded question mark iirc

wrong'd

[fossil finch]

(((that's all i had written but i meant to give examples to more ores and stuff)

not they use

[frozen hornet]

Anyways un

[distant gyro]

Cursed does a regular question mark I think

[frozen hornet]

Could give the other examples as well?

[distant gyro]

both of them are bad lol

[fossil finch]

yeah thomas uses the emoji

cursed the ?

yeah i was gonna give other examples

i just sent what i had written down

(((I am not sure about actually sugging this at all)

[frozen hornet]

Fair

[earnest raptor]

return :why:!

[torn crown]

What if we point out how repetitive slimes can be killed as an alternative supply

[fossil finch]

tenebris into herb and aeralite in the sky ideas stole from thomas and #suggestions-voting message this sugg respectively

(it was respoted later and got the votes it needed to pass)

[silver silo]

aero slimes being underground still makes me but at least its consistent with the ore

cryo slimes in caverns is like ????

[distant gyro]

every slime just spawns everywhere in the underground

because yes

[silver silo]

not every slime

I mean theres others that exist in their respective biome

[distant gyro]

the calamity ore slimes that is

[fossil finch]

anyways i am probably not finishing that sugg above is someone wants to you can

[distant gyro]

obviously ice slimes aren't going to spawn outside the ice

[fossil finch]

another examples for ores would be what was said about cryo daed machines and tenebris turning into an herb

[silver silo]

astral, pestilent and charred slimes dont spawn outside of their own biomes

and they're ore slimes

well astral and charred are anyway

[tardy smelt]

Astral and pestilent aren't really ore slimes

[deft yew]

it’s an inconsistency issue

[tardy smelt]

charred is

because yes

[silver silo]

astral is after progression

[tardy smelt]

^

[deft yew]

astral can drop astral ore but ye

[silver silo]

also the ebonian and crimulan slimes spawning in their biomes

again not ore slimes but still biome slimes in a way

[deft yew]

imagine if the crimulan slime had its own gel lol

[silver silo]

imagine if they dropped their respective ores

crimtane and demonite lol

[deft yew]

(actually, wouldn’t it be neat to revive the soul of blight as a crimson item?)

[silver silo]

would that fuck progression?

[deft yew]

not really

you can already mine it pre-boss

[frozen hornet]

what does blight even craft into

[fossil finch]

soul of blight as soul of night alt?

uh

lol

[silver silo]

soul of blight makes more sense for plague stuff tbh

tooltip was even ''essence of infected creatures''

[fossil finch]

yeah but souls suck

[deft yew]

ocram is wack lol

[fossil finch]

overusing them i mean

so

like

having plague cell

[deft yew]

So does essence

[fossil finch]

and plague plating

is better

ok but essences have unique desings

and are called essences

[silver silo]

non animated ones

[frozen hornet]

plague cells are cooler than funny soul

[silver silo]

(suggestion pending)

[deft yew]

even souls do to some extent

[tardy smelt]

^

[frozen hornet]

Souls are just circles they're not all that interesting

[silver silo]

they're better than they used to be

they were JUST colored circles before

[deft yew]

take soul of light and fright as an example

also i personally think essences look weird

[tardy smelt]

they're still glowy shinies

plague cells feel more realistic

and they sound cool lol

[deft yew]

souls and plague cells both make sense in context

hallow and corruption are more “fantasy” biomes ig
while plague is more realistic

[tardy smelt]

even then

[silver silo]

you know I just realised, does cryonic ore generate icicles below it like snow and ice blocks do?

[tardy smelt]

slapping souls everywhere is not a-ok

[fossil finch]

essence is COOL because while souls are implied to be the, well, souls of the shit in specific places essences are their essence which is very different clearly

[tardy smelt]

it's acceptable for one tier

but not for a whole game

[deft yew]

[lean bone]

future content :/

idk if this one is classed as it as the enemy in question already exists

[ashen warren]

ye its based on future content

so :/

[gray nebula]

z

[ashen warren]

you dont know what its going to do so you cant make a suggestion about it

for all you know they might already be doing it making the suggestion useless

[gray nebula]

no

👍

[ashen warren]

[gray nebula]

theres so much more important stuff to do

cannot waste time making weapons 5 players in total will use 👍 after all its a superboss and theyre more meantto be challenge for challenge's sake

[ashen warren]

ye

also btw are you doing the brothers resprite for this update or a later one

because i recall the moons being done later on

[gray nebula]

being done dirty

i wanna have the brothers resprite done

[hollow shell]

@worthy ferry Future content suggestion, read the Don'ts doc in pins.
Wait for the update to release before you make any suggestions based on it.

[ashen warren]

[hollow shell]

@wooden wedge Is there still something wrong with Shoe's suggestion, or is it good now?

[wooden wedge]

I don't think they acknowledged the existence of summoners association

and I think there was something else wrong with it too ?
though I can't really remember because there wasn't a lot of discussion

if you think the suggs fine then you can remove the !

[hollow shell]

I will remove the ❗ reaction, but I will also

@native sinew Summoner's Association mod exists

[native sinew]

im sorry

[hollow shell]

It lets you direct minions

[native sinew]

i didnt know it was a thing

[thick river]

As much as I like the idea of the vertical dash, I feel it would way to easily cheese the bosses like queen bee that rapidly charge at you from one side

[hollow shell]

Indeed, bosses are not designed around vertical dashes being a thing
The most we have is Slime Mount and Jellybean

[silver silo]

isnt the uh...one of the new armor sets getting an omidirectional dash anyway

[hollow shell]

Yes but it has a long cooldown
It's not meant to be used in the same was as a shield dash

[silver silo]

oh really, whats the intention then

[hollow shell]

It's a FAST and LONG dash
It's meant for getting you far away from a sticky situation very quickly

(That's what it seems like to me anyway, from test footage)

[silver silo]

makes sense, although hopefully it wouldnt dash me too far into a projectile lmao

[wooden wedge]

Two people pinged you about it

then again I really just believe this guy has me blocked for whatever reason

[silver silo]

@hollow shell #suggestions-voting message 👍

[hollow shell]

oki

aight Altix has got it

[silver silo]

I swear to god he's always ready for that lmao

any time someone else gets pinged altix there already

[cobalt pewter]

Altix doesn't sleep

@distant gyro gaming

[distant gyro]

what

[tardy smelt]

@worthy ferry read the "don't"s doc at the top of #suggestions-posting

No future content

[buoyant idol]

#suggestions-voting message what is 🌟 doing here and what does it mean?

Sorry if link doesnt work Im on mobile

The sugg is about the grax having upgrades

[hollow shell]

Ah, methinks that was a mistake

Probably meant to be 👍

[exotic stag]

me when more starz

[native sinew]

No, I mean like, at the time

I didn't block you

[uncut minnow]

was suggestion-posting purged?

[glossy stone]

Think it was yee

[silver silo]

gonna be honest I'm surprised my ore slime sugg even made it to 100 stars lol

[crude geode]

Suggestions are moved from posting to voting. They aren't "purged".

[hollow shell]

Yeah, sugg-posting is a temporary review area for suggestions