suggestions-discussion

[soft quest]

i dont like facetanking/box tanking but i like do like true melee, i think it could be a little more strategic though yeah

and then i could go on to think what each subclass of melee should do but then id basically be telling you what terraria overhaul is

[cobalt pewter]

@tardy smelt the last line that's in brackets isn't needed imo

[tardy smelt]

gone

reduced to ashes

[cobalt pewter]

[ashen warren]

to be fair defense levels out at like demonshade tier i think

[inner lark]

Is this a good suggestion?:

make shrine items craftable
Simple QoL change for multiplayer that allows copies of each item for each player. The recipes should align with progression [and lore if it has any] (such as murasama being crafted with auric bars, ruinous souls and mysterious circuitry, or the crimson/corruption effigy being crafted with post hive/preformator items). It would also allow single players the chance to have the items that require a massive amount of time to find (such as the onyx excavator key or trinket of chi).

Also idk how to make words bold

[hollow shell]

two * on either side

[inner lark]

Ah okay

[hollow shell]

But uhh, yeah multiplayer is a concern but we absolutely do not want to spoil the integrity of these exploration-find items by just making them craftable

This is a problem we already face in other areas

[ashen warren]

how about fishing w the item in ur inventory

[inner lark]

But the onyx key requires you to search the entire cavern layer, which can be tedious in large worlds or with any mods that allow the world to be enlarged with other mods (XL world size)

[whole sedge]

or even having the base item as a requirement to make more

[hollow shell]

And your reward for finding it is an extremely powerful mining option

[inner lark]

True

[whole sedge]

yeah uh onyx key's literally one of the best minimg mounts and helps a lot especially if you find it early game

[inner lark]

What about if the world generates without some of the shrines and you have to create and search a new one for items

(Unless a similar bug has been present and patched already)

[hollow shell]

I think that's a rare possibility yeah, failure to generate

I'm of the opinion that you can afford to suck it up and not have those one or two items for that playthrough
but that's a bit of an uncommon opinion

[fossil finch]

(tbf here i know it's just an example but xl world is not supported yada yada and abyss doesn't even generate correctly)

imo them having hard recipes from multiple tiers later may be fine?

[inner lark]

||sorry that's the only example I could only think of||

[whole sedge]

Having a mechanic just to avoid an incredibly rare but that can also potentially be fixed doesn't seem like the smartest idea to me, having them be later tears is also decent sometimes ig

[fossil finch]

if you could make copies of them with the original item it'd also work but the gen issue exists so idk

like imagine trinket of chi+some clay (probably some other material to lock it off later in progression) you can make another trinket of chi and the one used doesn't get consumed

[whole sedge]

Yeah that's the general idea, would solve the issue of only one Trinket of Chi per world in multiplayer

[inner lark]

That could work and also require the player to do extensive searching, which solves rovers issue/concern

[fossil finch]

it's not like trinket of chi is good, but this applies to the actually good shrine items anyways

[fossil finch]

for the corruption/crimson funny thing, you could also make the contrary like corrupt effigy thingy+ichor and crimson blocks makes the crimson one

[inner lark]

Yep that makes sense, considering somebody could name themselves sam and bypass the murasama, so tier locking the items is a good idea

[inner lark]

I'll include that in the suggestion

Should I post it now or wait for some more feedback

[fossil finch]

post it now ig

[inner lark]

Okay I'll try and not botch this up

[cobalt pewter]

Why not just make shrine items purchasable through an NPC if someone has any of the items in their inventory?

I guess that'd solve the thingy about mp?

[inner lark]

Well that would remove the fun of crafting the duplicate itself

[sleek wadi]

Does modded support recipes that create multiple unstackables though? If thats a concern, could just have duplicates sold by bandit as sort of bootlegs

[fossil finch]

what?

you don't have to make the "clone recipes" create more than one lol

just make the core material (the shrine item) not consume on crafting

[sleek wadi]

Is that a thing?

[fossil finch]

(That is possible and has been done already, not in calamity, but in other mods)

yes it is

luiafk uses it

[inner lark]

Yep I posted the suggestion and included that in

[sleek wadi]

Huh, neat. Anyway I would include needing to already have the item in the title

[inner lark]

I included that in the last sentence because people skim read

Or should I change it

[sleek wadi]

I'm suggesting to have it in the title because "craftable shrine item" sounds like it just defeats the purpose of the shrine item and thus I'd immediately pass over it

It doesn't make the suggestion reasoning any better, but it would make it more likely to get some votes

[inner lark]

Done it. Fixed now

[ashen warren]

i think saying “crafted with” is kind of a deceptive phrase, crafted with it in your inventory would be a more apt phrase

[fossil finch]

what

no?

that'd only make the title longer than it should be

[inner lark]

Yep

[hollow shell]

Some of your elaboration doesn't really make sense now Ketamine
Like the progression-locking materials, they aren't needed if the original item is needed to craft duplicates

[fossil finch]

and seems redundant

[fossil finch]

the point when i said that kinda was locking-off making a lot of duplicates right away but ig yeah

[inner lark]

Someone could bypass the murasama with the character nickname and exactly what items would be used to craft the duplicate

[fossil finch]

eh not really

[inner lark]

Other than that the other items dont really need a progression lock

[hollow shell]

?
Isn't your suggestion based around the fact that you still need to find the original item to make more?

If you have the original Mura, why would you need to progression-lock the duplicates?

[inner lark]

Makes sense, I'll remove that part

[hollow shell]

👍

[inner lark]

Anyways I'm gonna leave now, match in 20 mine. Hope England loses

[hollow shell]

Alright

[inner lark]

I might add the fact that the items should have some crafting recipe to prevent people just creating copies and then just selling them for coins

[ashen warren]

what

im sorry but this makes no sense

[hollow shell]

I spose it could be made clearer that the original item would not be consumed when crafting a new one

I don't know if that's already done anywhere in the game?

[inner lark]

Done

[hollow shell]

Alrighty

[ashen warren]

you could make the placable ones like a crafting station

[hollow shell]

Well, that only applies to a few

[ashen warren]

but for the others i think it wpuldnt be too difficult to implement

ig you could ask someone apt at programming

[hollow shell]

If it's not possible to make an item not be consumed in crafting, we could always cheese it by making the item craft a new grab bag item which always contains two of it

[ashen warren]

anyways an npc could sell it if you have it in your inv

like the stakes and stinger bolts

[hollow shell]

Also an option, yes.

[fossil finch]

No but it is possible

That's more boring tho imo

[whole sedge]

Yeah it's definitely an option albeit i feel like a significantly less interesting one
Either way doesn't matter too much

[ashen warren]

also there are mods that add in recipes for those items

2 of them in fact

[fossil finch]

:okand?:

[ashen warren]

just saying

they are ridiculously expensive though

one of them has the onyx key at 900 meld blobs

[hollow shell]

Good.

[ashen warren]

thats not even all of the stuff in it

there are also like 4 or 5 other weapons or accessories

[grim tusk]

maybe this could work for effigies but for the rest ://////////

[fossil finch]

wdym

[grim tusk]

effigies are painful to get in large amounts

so that you have a buff in your arena, similarly to campfires

[sleek wadi]

Effigies would definitely benefit from a self-replicating recipe or shop item as those are arena buffs rather than equipables

[fossil finch]

ok but you imply it wouldn't work for the rest, storm

[ashen warren]

tbh most shrine items are only useful in fargo’s dlc

aside from luxor’s

and also onyx key and the effigies

[tiny valve]

Fungal Symbiote is neat too

[ashen warren]

it is possible, if you recall the very first iteration of psc, there was an item in the recipe that wasn't consumed

[hollow shell]

Ah

[inner lark]

Long nails against destroyer

[grim tusk]

alr what are your views on slick cane?

its a true melee weapon but its actually rogue because sold by bandit

short as fuck range

and used for money

[crude geode]

just turn it into a boomerang

[grim tusk]

Make Slick cane into a boomerang
Slick cane is a very risky and unviable way for making money as its very bad for combat due to its low dmg and range (its a true melee weapon, but its rogue cuz sold Bandit).
Turning it into a boomerang (like enchanted axe or fallen palladin's hammer) will not only improve its combat capabilities by a lot due to fixing its devastating range problem, it would make it fit the rogue class better as a whole as it has everything except for being a thrown projectile and would make it more useful for getting money.

OR

Increase Slick cane's range and make it grant stealth on hit
Slick cane is a very risky and unviable way for making money as its very bad for combat due to its low dmg and range (its a true melee weapon, but its rogue cuz sold Bandit).
A similar rogue "melee" (or stealth melee, or however you want to call it) weapon, Final dawn (not counting the alt attack) does not have this issue due to its range and stealth generation capabilities which allow it to bring devastating attacks when the meter is full. The idea is to do something similar to slick cane and expand on stealth generating weapons.

Making slick cane grant stealth and icreasing its range will improve its combat capabilities and be a nice support weapon and will allow it to steal more money from enemies due to the stealth strike being used more frequently with the stealth generation as well as being safer to use with its range.

alr which idea is better?

@cobalt pewter any opinion on this (the second one specially)? (as you're the other stealth rogue player)

[grim tusk]

actually would any of these break the grand scale rework rule? @hollow shell

[hollow shell]

No

Though I would disagree that it is an unviable way to make money

Big disagree, even

You can make freaking bank on the right enemies

[safe oasis]

you can get a max of 5 silver per tick right (without triggering the gold drop ofc)

and it hits like 17 times in one swing

[hollow shell]

It's dynamic based on the enemy

Ice Golems and Mimics for instance drop tons

[grim tusk]

i need to add something for this on the first option
but
which of em would be better to post. #1 or 2

[safe oasis]

yeah but it seems to hit a cap of 5s unless i’m just dumb

tried it on bosses too

[grim tusk]

on bosses its just no

unless i sugg the first sugg

since range

and true melee is :/

[safe oasis]

you sure? perf gets in close range quite consistently and is very dodgeable

[grim tusk]

Slick cane is hm

[hollow shell]

You could suggest it turn into a boomerang
Prolly a Paladins-style boomerang

[grim tusk]

pre-any hm boss

[safe oasis]

yeah but perf still spawns

[hollow shell]

Just for style consistency alone

[safe oasis]

it’s a money farm

it’s not meant to be an actual weapon

[grim tusk]

alr first option it is then

[safe oasis]

“wont not only”?

[novel belfry]

I’ve tried Slick Cane for money farming

It’s super good at getting money

Although a altfire to make the weapon actually be thrown would be good tho

[ashen warren]

that would defeat the purpose of the weapon

[brisk bramble]

Hoe about this. Make the Pickaxe power of The DCU scale as the game progresses

[fossil finch]

uhhh yeah

the dcu yeah

the hyper drill you get
post moonlord

do you want it so badly to mine auric and eulibloom?

[brisk bramble]

Wait that exists?

N v m t h e n

[fossil finch]

dcu=drill contaiment unit?

[brisk bramble]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

the thing you craft with 92-42042942 cloro and luminite

well yeah uhh

does it really need to scale two times just so you can uhh
Not really do anything because it literally can mine anything but two blocks and by then using a pickaxe is normally better ngl

[brisk bramble]

Large scale stuff
But yeah.

Besides
I have luiafk.

[soft quest]

doesn't DCU have luminite pick power?

if so then really its just auric

[grim tusk]

Iirc it cant mine exodium

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Pretty sure this is a SIS

[wooden wedge]

(it's not)

[grim tusk]

Also rogue is very different to melee once you see the bigger picture

[grim tusk]

How the hell its not a SIS, when its detailing how the weapon should work

[wooden wedge]

it's not a specific item

it's asking for a weapon type

idk if this is allowed or not

[frozen hornet]

weaponized hooks

[earnest raptor]

I remember Dark Souls mod making grappling hook damage enemies.

[fossil finch]

It's still heavily specific, which is not encouraged, and would present a sizable amount of work

[earnest raptor]

Not what you are probably asking.

[fossil finch]

Because it's either 2 or 3 weapons or a full on subclass that may not be available at all tiers but still in a consierable amount of them

[queen ibex]

Ahh, I see. I’m sort of new and I didn’t really know what to put.

[grim tusk]

Yea it may have not specific stats or name, but the function is still very specific

• high effort rule

[hollow shell]

It's

grey area

[queen ibex]

Do I have to remove it?

[earnest raptor]

About function itself: I bet it would be more annoying than helpful.

[fossil finch]

It's also heavily lacking on reasoning currently

[hollow shell]

The reason does include a lot on the subject of variety and doesn't focus too much on the specific function, which is good

I guess there's a bit of a conceptual problem in that
if the hook acts like a normal Terraria hook, it can only harm you

[earnest raptor]

You shoot this fucky weapon and then you are stuck in air until you somehow get out.

[hollow shell]

Only if it functions like anti-grav or Static hook can it actually do anything that doesn't result in you facetanking contact damage

[earnest raptor]

Why?

[hollow shell]

You're dragging yourself directly towards the enemy

[queen ibex]

welp, I’ll delete the message now, thanks for the feedback though

[hollow shell]

Even if you disengage the hook pre-emptively, your momentum is still flinging you right towards them

[fossil finch]

new don't: no new weapon types
this is really a grey area uh

[hollow shell]

It is a grey area

I personally think it could've gone through

as a weapon type sugg

though it also had a bit of an issue with the exact subject matter

[grim tusk]

Any suggestions which will take an extreme amount of time and effort to execute

Pretty sure the hooking into enemies will be something like this, specially if its like antigrav hook

[hollow shell]

I disagree

[fossil finch]

Eh, it also had redacting problems that would've made voters confused, granted nobody mentioned that because the instant alert of "new weapon type" not being precisely an allowed sugg and all byeah that was an issue it had

[hollow shell]

And frankly I don't like seeing that Don't used so liberally..

That Don't pertains to like adding an entire new biome

Grappling Hook for enemies would just be a programmer having a headache for like a day and then it's done

[earnest raptor]

I mean, how many big or hard suggestions got implemented?

[hollow shell]

What does that have to do with it

[earnest raptor]

Because I think than easier to make suggestions are more favored both by voters and devs.

[hollow shell]

Well yeah of course

[fossil finch]

it's subjective depending on what "hard" and "big" means

[hollow shell]

Phrasing.

[fossil finch]

Lastly approved suggs are either basic qols and visual stuff, along abyss campfire

[grim tusk]

Yea QoL seem to be the most approved suggs

Thats why i stopped bothering with the accs and weapon reworks, and expanding on stealth generating rogue weapons

[fossil finch]

Also some suggs about accs there e.g luxor's summon effect revamp/rework/buff

[grim tusk]

I would suggest something about momentum capacitator, but fairly sure that 90% of the player base doesnt know it even exists

And in #calamity-mod-talk usually when something uses stealth it = bad

[fossil finch]

Momentum is the funniest of the rogue accs

Considering biome blade acc is gone next update

[grim tusk]

Ah yes ethereal exhorter

Too complex and busted as fuck

[fossil finch]

It's cool but it takes neurons to use and the average player doesn't use those when attacking

• situational

[grim tusk]

Momentum capacitator is just bad

[fossil finch]

Buff™️?

[grim tusk]

If you want another thing to boost your dmg you have: emblems, old die, raider’s talisman, corrosive spine, etc

[fossil finch]

Yeah

[grim tusk]

If momentum perhaps affected all projectiles rather than only rogue it might be useful for mp
And would be better if it had bigger boosts for how niche it is

Heck a bigger radius of the effect even

[cobalt pewter]

Either is fine for me

Also if slick cane is brought up

Thief's Dime needs to be looked at as well

The fuck is that acc

Rogue accessories totally needs to be trimmed or improved

[clever canopy]

I was gonna make a sugg a few weeks ago about the amount of rogue accessories compared to other classes, but kinda forgot

[crude geode]

rogue gets more accessories due to it lacking any from the base game, as well as it just getting variety from it (similar to variety via spam vs stealth). One could also view it in a similar light to all the summoner accessories.

[real steppe]

This is the problem when suggesting suggs imo, its really hard to get enough stars with suggs like these unless people unanimously agree

[keen zealot]

the alchemy table makes every recipe that requires it have a 33% chance not to use an ingredient. every item is rolled individually, including items of the same type, basically meaning that 33% of items used... won't be.
something about that could probably be adapted to suit whatever's needed in this case

[ashen warren]

i dont think a lot of suggestions get approved to make things ‘more difficult’

[balmy jay]

re: rogue recipes, the shards of antumbra are the most ridiculous

One meld construct for 20 spears

So by my calculations, if you're using luiafk and want a full stack

You'll need 100 meld blobs

At least they're worth it

[grim tusk]

Hardened honeycombs are worse lmao

10 per craft

[safe oasis]

i’d suggest removing the nohit element entirely here

nobody really cares to vote for suggs about nohitting and the devs don’t either

rephrase it to getting hit unfairly or smth similar

[ashen warren]

in defense of HH, it’s 2 blocks and 1 crafting material each of which are fairly easy to get

[green spindle]

ok, ty

[ashen warren]

Hardened Honeycomb is easy to get, and if you find one hive and steal 1 honey bucket to doup you can make 200~ from one queen bee fight assuming it doesn’t drop it

[grim tusk]

Rot balls and tooth balls are far easier to get and amass in larger quantities

Per fight you can make around 1k

[river glen]

hows my suggestion

havent heard anything about it...

[eternal escarp]

likely means no one can say anything bad about it

or point out anything

[sleek turret]

more of a grammar part of the sugg is that the first sentence has 2 spaces instead of 1

[hollow shell]

Testers have stated before that they really don't want to tackle OOA content because of the extreme balance issues they pose for summoner

iunno if that's still the case today but I've heard it before

[steep crown]

OOA is about as weird as you can get

[dapper coral]

OOA is pretty stinky poo poo yeah

it is quite the pain to balance

[steep crown]

It relies on sentries, but those same sentries fall apart the moment flying enemies show up, its summoner, but it doesn't play like traditional summoner

And that's before you add in how much you have to grind to get any of the gear

Never should've been added

[grim tusk]

Ah yes the broken shit that is sentry spam :sip:

[hollow shell]

The big concern is that it's the only content in the game that lets you place multiple sentries

[grim tusk]

Why are OoA sentries so bad for things not named WoF or Deus (vs more bosses they are good supports)

[hollow shell]

So you can't balance for either case

One sentry at a time vs like 8

[grim tusk]

5 is the limit but ye

I remeber pre-nerf energy staff

Was better than cosmilamps

Theres also hive pod currently

Despite being nerfed its still

I wonder how busted the post-ML sentries will end up after the curve flattening

[steep crown]

Probably either going to be busted or useless

If past experience says anything

[crude geode]

Doesn’t really help that OOA is such a snooze fest of an event until a mini-boss shows up, so most people just ignore it

[real steppe]

OOA has the potential to be a great event but the execution was meh

[ashen warren]

ive only seen people go out of their way for OOA in modded terraria in fargo souls for the 8~ enchantments

[grim tusk]

Or people going to abuse hive pod/spikecrag and/or valhalla/squire’s regen in Calamity’s case

[ashen warren]

i just wish there were sentry armor sets/ accessories for summoner

with the 12 accessories for specifically minions (only 2 upgrade paths though)

[grim tusk]

I’d say maybe just adding any OoA accs to Nucleogenesis

Or just have silva+ have an extra minion

Although it will have issues

Specially when balancing Guidelight and Carrion

[ashen warren]

i was thinking either that or having an upgrade to one of the OOA post golem armors in the same vein as fearmonger and spooky

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes summoner gets armor bloat now that mage armors will die soon

[ashen warren]

[grim tusk]

Also fearmonger is supposed to be a tank counterpart to omega blue, but they gave it too many minion slots

[ashen warren]

honestly summoner should have too many armor sets

[grim tusk]

Bloat is always bad, shitty to balance

[ashen warren]

the bloat will be a real big issue when 1.4 comes out but thats for the future

[grim tusk]

Just look at rogue and its accs bloat

[ashen warren]

imo rogue deserves most of its accessories

maybe some could be not sold at bandit but thats her business

[grim tusk]

Rogue has either busted shit or bad shit, with the in between being rogue emblem (and maybe raider’s talisman, and nanotech)

[ashen warren]

imo people give stealth based things too much shit

[grim tusk]

Agreed

Stealth is very powerful at certain stages of the game

[ashen warren]

i just wish the consuming stealth accs were more useful, or at least were more mobile

[grim tusk]

Its good, then mediocre, then bad, then busted as fuck, then mediocre, then good, then busted as fuck and then falls of a cliff and then its mediocre

[grim tusk]

Coin of deceit+ are very good

And theres also mirrors

[ashen warren]

ah, reminds me of the thorium healer class

basically 1 class spilt into 2 separate “styles” of play, one much more useful in multiplayer and one being decent dps for most of the game except for some major swings

[grim tusk]

Rogue has 3 playstyles

Spam, Hybrid and Stealth

[ashen warren]

hybrid is fake

[grim tusk]

Spam only touches stealth for engaging, hybrid uses stealth when convenient (things like sand cloak, final dawn, mirror dodges, killing sep hearts, dragon scales, etc), stealth only uses stealth (and reforges everything to silent)

[ashen warren]

thorium healer technically has 4 play styles, corrupted and non corrupted and then the healer or damager factor

i wish thorium was less grounded in multiplayer

imo stealth is much better in mutliplayer bc agro actually gets to work

[grim tusk]

We should move to #calamity-mod-talk

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message this will undoubtedly become an infinite money exploit, though it would be very nice if multiple people could have shrine items, especially luxor's gift

[crude geode]

Just make them sell for nothing 4 head.

[keen zealot]

maybe an npc like amidias or the bandit, someone you get kinda early, could sell a copy if you already have one?

[frozen hornet]

Or make it require other materials as well as the thing itself to craft

[hollow shell]

"Also the item should have some crafting ingredients to prevent people just crafting and selling them for money. This doesnt have to be a progression lock, just a way to prevent infinite coin farming"

In the suggestion.

[frozen hornet]

me not reading the sugg fully yet again

[fossil finch]

[still zodiac]

Honestly just make halibut cannon an actual cannon, that would be pretty funny I think

[hot zephyr]

Don't you kinda.... need the right click to target enemies with the weapon?

[whole sedge]

There's loads of other good axes around that tier also plus "it'd be funnie" isn't much of a reason also

[zenith hazel]

@subtle raven at the very least, you should add a reason to making it an axe besides "it's funny and would be useful", elaborate on that

[subtle raven]

Ok I will later

[dim star]

It would be funny and slightly usefully tho

[eternal escarp]

why is it needed though? when theres atleast 4 axes after ML

and Grax after provi, iirc

[whole sedge]

Yeah there's already tons of axes after ML that do a fine enough job of cutting wood that you usually wouldn't be doing to insane degrees anywhere except building

[eternal escarp]

also, the axe power at this level makes practically no difference

and using ele axe for more DPS on other classes is mostly, wierd?

because most people stick to the same class

especially when summoner damage is lower when you arent a summoner

[whole sedge]

Yeah uh this would directly conflict with the summoner damage nerf calamity adds to try and make it more usable for other classes?

[eternal escarp]

tbf both reasons here arent really holding as much so yeah

[whole sedge]

The entire point of this kind of goes down the drain even more when you realize that the Luminite Hamaxes exist which do this exact job but also act like a hammer and are basically class specific also

[fallow hedge]

considering the axe's "blade" seems to be made of light, I don't think it could chop a tree down anyway

[fossil finch]

Implying shit like that is not physical in terraria smh

(It can if it can damage about every enemy)

[river glen]

what about an idea of giving sentries low(slow fire rate, dunno hwo to word it) use time so you cannot spam them...

[grim tusk]

they tried something with spikechad (cant shoot until 2 seconds have passed)

somewhat worked, but mostly it didnt

[sleek wadi]

Also doesn't help that any axe beyond whatever hamaxe you make in pre-HM doesn't matter as there isn't some kind of super tree that requires more than the starter axe.

[dry latch]

calamity tree when

unironically might be a good alternative to ore grinding

maybe replace on of the chloro like ores

[eternal escarp]

changing an ore into a tree sounds good in theory

but its very likely effort heavy

[dry latch]

effort heavy in what way? we already got like 2 trees (sulphur and astral), so devs already have experience in making them.

[sleek wadi]

Making the tree itself should be easy, assuming trees even have an axe power requirement, but handling how it'd spawn would be hella janky.

[dry latch]

fair

[sleek wadi]

Lets use Uelibloom as an example as that's the ore that'd most benefit turning into a tree. What block would it spawn on and how does one make sure it can only grow post-providence? Where would it spawn if it'd even spawn fully grown at all?

We don't exactly have a subworld we can lock to post-providence to toss these trees in. Its a lot of effort for the payoff of making one ore have a different acquisition method

[dry latch]

ideally, we could lock trees behind axe power, but I don't know if that's even possible

that way we can make it spawn anywhere anytime

[sleek wadi]

If it spawns anywhere at anytime, we get the issue of unbreakable blocks. These would severely hamper arena construction which calamity expects you to do on rev which is what the mod is balanced around. On the surface that would mean having the build the arena higher up and potentially losing the option to flatten the surface.

[dry latch]

okay I worded that wrong. meant more in the sense that if we could lock progression behind axe power then we have more freedom on where/when we can spawn it

as for unbreakable blocks blocking the way, it can be something like the comets. big amount but in a small area

prolly something like a spawning living tree

I dunno, I'm not asking for those specifically. I'm just throwing ideas on what it could be

[sleek wadi]

True, its just that there currently wouldn't be a good place to have a block with those trees. Maybe if we got a profaned biome that spawned on the right side of hell after providence dies

[dry latch]

yeah

actually come to think of it, I vaguely remember plans for a subworld when DoG dies

that's where we would mine those ore instead of it just randomly dropping from DoG

[eternal escarp]

that plan is still something that is thought of, afaik

at this point i think its very likely to come at a future update

[dry latch]

then I guess we can wait till then if it does happens. then maybe we can get our uelibloom tree

god I used then 3 times

[grim tusk]

i think what may work for uelibloom trees in case devs ever consider it. Would be turning the rich mahogany trees in underground jungle partially into uelibloom

possibly even the naturally generated living trees

[tardy smelt]

was that a suggestion?

[grim tusk]

.

[dim star]

That would work

It wouldn’t be super high effort either

[river glen]

soo not a good suggestion...

[grim tusk]

Although since theres few of those, keeping the current gen would also be fine

[grim tusk]

Yea no, they need stat tweaks so they arent as good

But that takes time

Or some other form of nerfs

[river glen]

soooo they ar ejust going to get nerfed

along the changes

already happening

[clever canopy]

It could work similarly to the gem trees in 1.4 where you craft a different kind of acorn with the boss drop then can farm it from that

That way you avoid all the problems associated with generating the trees or changing blocks in the worls

[hollow shell]

To be clear, you're talking about these, right? @ancient shard

I didn't actually know that they weren't placeable objects, huh

[distant gyro]

ambients can't be placed in general without stealing their state from cheat sheet

[ancient shard]

yes i am

[fallow hedge]

can they grow naturally on Sunken Sea blocks or are they initial generation only?

[hollow shell]

Also something that I don't know

[grim tusk]

Maybe something could be done for the sulphur sea worldgen things as well

Like the gysers

Or the vines (at least vanities fixes this one)

[ancient shard]

yeah

[distant gyro]

there's also these and stuff https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316285389310525441/750467861692022835/AllPilesLarge.png

[thick raptor]

There needs to be a calamity tedit

[hollow shell]

(I don't think those top ones exist)

[distant gyro]

abyss ones don't generate but there's an entire unused file of it

this

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

They look quite old, sprite wise i mean

[neat citrus]

for the devs, doesn't it hurt to look at these suggestions

I've done 3 mod requests and they were all terrible to do

[hollow shell]

Some devs have complained about suggestions feeling very entitled

Some suggs do have some good ideas though
and point out real issues

[dim star]

That’s why we approve and deny suggestions

The good ones get through and the bad ones don’t

[dapper coral]

@ivory perch please read the doc in the pins, you can't be so specific with your suggestion

you can't give it a name, or stats, or a recipe

just say why you think there should be such an item

as long as the reason isn't "it'd be cool"

[earnest raptor]

Celestial Tracers are weak?

The what?

[hollow shell]

There is a mod which does that, Trashbox

Summoner's Association

Works pretty good

[earnest raptor]

Last time I remember using it, it teleported minions.

And you still need to spam it.

[hollow shell]

Nah those're two different functions
I does have teleportation but it also has cursor-targeting

Places a static target object, don't need to reapply it

[earnest raptor]

Hm

[hollow shell]

iirc

[earnest raptor]

Ok, time to delete suggestion.

[hollow shell]

You could go test the mod out for yourself if you want

It's been a little while since I've used it

[earnest raptor]

1 year of not playing echraria did affect me

[hollow shell]

There are a few earlygame items

[west spoke]

Like?

[hollow shell]

Particularly the lower two, summon wep and ranged acc

[distant gyro]

tbh no one uses those and the most relevant two end up being the upper two ironically

[hollow shell]

I mean that sounds like a balance problem, right?
If they aren't worth it

[distant gyro]

there is a clear reason no one wants to go to the sulphur seas and that's because... it's poisonous

if you dip your feet into the waters and notice that it's killing you, you WILL inevitably avoid it

which puts these items at a tough point to balance

especially because dying at the edge of the world in early game is a massive tedium

[west spoke]

Do rusty chests generate over the actual water?

[distant gyro]

which I guess is why ocean is always a pushover

they generate within the sulphur caves rather than the surface

[keen zealot]

the chests aren't all pre-AS sulphur seas have to offer

[west spoke]

Then how the fuck would early game players get to the chests if the water burns and the chests are under the water?

[keen zealot]

there are a good amount of enemy drops as well

the water does very little damage from my experience

[distant gyro]

dip and return

it's supposed to be how the sulphur seas work

[west spoke]

Name 1. Other than the urchin spikes. Nobody would ever use those.

[west spoke]

And trash man. He doesn’t serve any practical use, but everyone wants to have him.

[keen zealot]

well I'm going to have to recall names because it's been a few weeks

but I have a couple things in mind

most of it from t1 acid rain

you get a lot of sulphuric scales, that's what I was thinking of

[west spoke]

I said before acid rain in my post

[keen zealot]

oh

well no shit there's nothing useful outside of acid rain

[distant gyro]

most of the problems from the sulphur sea is just this

[distant gyro]

.

[west spoke]

Also many of the enemies are too difficult to kill for early players

[distant gyro]

you can't reasonably make someone go to the sulphur sea early game

it's the biome you go to and tell yourself "I'm not touching that"

the problem isn't really with the items, but the fact that you will literally die there

[west spoke]

The only item worth the struggle in pre aquatic scourge is trash man. That’s it. That’s the only one that’s worth it.

[distant gyro]

that just deters anyone from ever doing something

[west spoke]

Ok I’ll edit post rn

[distant gyro]

basically to make someone go to the sulphur sea early game, it needs to not be sulphur anymore

[keen zealot]

you can totally handle it after first evil boss

sulphuric poisoning is like 3 dps

and weapons stemming from the first evil boss are strong enough to kill the enemies with general comfort, so

[distant gyro]

that's for the debuff on its own

[keen zealot]

not terribly difficult like you make it out to be

[ashen warren]

You could definitely get to the abyss with at least 1/4 of your max health

Maybe more with victide

[keen zealot]

obviously don't venture into hard areas if you don't have ANYTHING of note

[distant gyro]

let me give a demonstration

[west spoke]

I, personally get demolished by the thrashers, trashers, gnashers, and catfish when I go down.

[keen zealot]

just don't be bad

[distant gyro]

probably a bit more

[keen zealot]

obviously don't venture into hard areas if you don't have anything

[ashen warren]

I think pre-AS sulphurous seas has enough to offer, could be more but enough in my opinion. After eye of Cthulhu you get Sulphurous Armor, Toxic Croaker Staff, Acid Gun, Toxibow, Effigy of Decay, Rusty Medallion, and probably some others I’m forgetting

Also coin of deceit if you’re going stealth rogue (you probably aren’t but still)

[distant gyro]

well, that's 38 seconds you can survive in sulphur waters

alone, with 400 health

[west spoke]

That’s if there aren’t any enemies around

[keen zealot]

more if you use a potion and have actual equipment

[distant gyro]

defense and regen potions can't save you from a debuff

debuffs set your natural regen to 0

[ashen warren]

It’s not like it’s impossible to avoid the enemies in sulphurous seas, quite easy actually

I’ve personally never had problems entering the abyss due to a stray trasher or something, not sure what I’m doing right

Well except for this one time the aquatic scourge spawned

[west spoke]

Guess you’re getting lucky. When I am grinding for trash man no enemies ever want to spawn, but the moment I get amadeus’ help or ai just want to enter the abyss, they all suddenly appear and clap my cheeks.

[distant gyro]

on another note, the word you're looking for is "incentive"

not insensitive

[west spoke]

Autocorrected

[distant gyro]

(trolled)

[ashen warren]

I mean, there still are ways to bypass enemies coming to slaughter you, like getting a decent weapon or building a tunnel down

[distant gyro]

the sole enemy of early game sea for me is the water

the bubbles, enemies, and geyser are manageable enough

especially with any form of reasonable equipment

water bypasses all that and says, "hi, you have 38 seconds to leave. take it or leave it"

[ashen warren]

Tbh most eye of Cthulhu seems like a good point in progression for sulphur sea to be relevant imo

[keen zealot]

the debuff doesn't start at 21 dps tho

[west spoke]

Especially when there’s a pool of water near the shore and half way through it starts clappin’ your cheeks.

[distant gyro]

(or camp the islands during acid rain until you eventually get effigy of decay)

[ashen warren]

Yea it doesn’t offer much before it but post eye of Cthulhu it can offer some of the best weapons at its tier

[distant gyro]

In Rev it starts at 7 (14 units), in death it starts at 10.5 (21 units)

this is unlike the debuff, which starts at 3 (6 units) and ends at 3 and doesn't scale

[crude geode]

@west spoke The ted talk thing at the end is unnecessary.

[ashen warren]

archer fish is probably one of the best weapons for its tier

also sulpheric treasure is super useful

[eternal escarp]

tbf the archerfish is in the abyss

and the sugg seems to focus solely on the sea above

[real steppe]

Regarding that summon penalty reduction, why do OOA armors don't have that penalty reduction in the first place?

Balance issues?

[distant gyro]

OOA armors in their current state are notorious for having insane stats

ex

[tardy smelt]

yeah

they're on-tier with the luminite sets in a way

[dapper coral]

(they will commit death in 1.5 iirc)

[clever canopy]

@west spoke I assume you mean incentive rather than insensitive?

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Rogue players go to Sulph sea for coin of deceit

Urchin stingers

And if yo dive in despite the debuff you can get stuff for various classes like rusty beacons, rusty medalion, effigy of decay, etc

And the water only hurts a lot in death, yet you can still grab chests close to the surface

[dusty venture]

That plagued jungle suggestion is top tier

[hollow shell]

@ivory perch Can you elaborate on why Celestial Tracers "look weak"?

[ivory perch]

Imho, Celestial Tracers look not fast enough. They have great flight time, but their flight speed (horizontal) is insufficiently high for the Endgame tier.

P.S. sorry for answering too late, I had no free time

[hollow shell]

(It's okay)

[tardy smelt]

tbh if you count SCal as endgame, high horizontal flight speed is the last thing you'd want

[hollow shell]

Well, BR

[tardy smelt]

fair enough

but for scal the bullet hells are gonna tear you in half if you like to zoom

maybe it's just better to quickly switch on drew's wings for those

or celestial tracers

um

angel threads

[ivory perch]

🤨

[whole sedge]

I mean I just use drew's wings for scal then use tracers for boss rush but I really don't feel like there's much need for an upgrade pretty much right after you get CTs

[ivory perch]

How is zoom connected with Celestial Tracers?

[tardy smelt]

I was referring to zooming, zipping, travelling at a great velocity

e.g.

speed is not really desired for them in my experience

[thick raptor]

I always put on the burden breaker for SCal

[hollow shell]

Madman

[tardy smelt]

[distant gyro]

burden breaker has no effect on a boss, joke ruined

[grim tusk]

just use potions

[tardy smelt]

wouldn't that only make you faster though

I don't think there's any that slow you down

[hollow shell]

@worthy silo >:(

Also Cal is getting adjusted next update

[gray nebula]

damn u deleted it before the gif could load

😔

[ashen warren]

I was thinking of making a bunch of gifs for the Wiki to showcase a bunch of weapons but I have no clue if a normal person can even do that without any special ranks

[hollow shell]

((I deleted it))

And yes, anyone can do that Gaber

[ashen warren]

Amazing :O

[hollow shell]

However, many weapons intentionally lack gifs because their function can be sufficiently explained through text

It's best to bring up whatever you're thinking of making in #wiki-discussion before starting

[worthy silo]

damn

my funny attempt has been vanquished

[hollow shell]

Yeah don't post meme gifs like that Mjoon

[ashen warren]

Ight thank you sir 🙏

[hollow shell]

Especially not ones berating the mod cuz that will never go well for you

[worthy silo]

maybe now she will actually change in phase 2

[ivory perch]

Trashbox… 😡

[hollow shell]

🤔

That's his name

[ivory perch]

Oops, sorry
I thought I've degraded… :disappointed:

[sleek wadi]

The rock is already placeable and making the rock do anything beyond that should fall under one of the Don'ts.

[hollow shell]

@charred gyro Item Frame.
Also it is placeable yeah

[charred gyro]

item frame is so small though

doesnt match the rest of the trophies

[sleek wadi]

Gotta build a shrine to the rock if you really wanna elevate it

[charred gyro]

did you see my picture

i just want it to go with the rest of the trophies

[hollow shell]

make a better trophy room smh

Aight well if you wanna keep the sugg you gotta format it properly

separate title line and reasoning

separated using shift+enter

It also doesn't need to do damage to be placed in a weapon rack

Rod of Discord, for instance, can be place in one

[charred gyro]

the rock cant be placed in one though

[keen zealot]

I'm fairly sure the sole criteria is whether it can be used

[round ravine]

Can you use images for your suggestions?

[dim star]

Yeah

Images or videos

[hollow shell]

I meant it could be made Weapon Rack placeable even without giving it damage

[fossil finch]

Doesn't it bug anyways so it'd be silly to do so

[hollow shell]

That bug isn't the most consistent thing in the world

You can sometimes place things successfully

[neat citrus]

Fallen star?

[keen zealot]

can be used

[cobalt pewter]

@west spoke "incentive", not "insensitive"

BRUU

I pinged right before the sugg is moved to voting

hech

[west spoke]

Ik, I was yoo lasy to fix it

[real steppe]

Shouldn't it be incentive?

yep

I mean it shouldn't be that big of a deal because you have context

[hollow shell]

Just gotta speak it in your head to hear what it was trying to be

[wanton rune]

yea honestly, i forget that there's even rusty chests down there until like

hardmode

because i never go down there, enemies do too much damage and no acid resist so

maybe some cool stuff besides that would be nice?

[tardy smelt]

I've gone down to them on-tier once

Got me a free flipper which I happened to have been looking for so kinda nice ig

[clever canopy]

One of the main problems is that you can get all the abyss items from fishing, so there’s no need to actually explore it

What would be pretty cool is if the abyss fishing existed but you needed to actually be in the abyss rather than the sulphurous sea. You’d probably need a new item that acts the same as a fishing pole but works underwater, which is too much for a suggestion really

[eternal escarp]

assuming this convo is relating to the last sugg in voting
im pretty sure this isnt talking about the abyss

but solely on the sea above it

[clever canopy]

It’s relating to the last few messages in this channel about there not being incentive to go to the abyss

[eternal escarp]

these seem to be talking about the rusty chests in the sulphorous sea instead

byeah

[eternal escarp]

i personally dont really see an issue with this, because theres still items you can only get by going to the abyss

and like, fishing is basically grind for the items, most of the time

and many people, dont fish

missing out byeah

[clever canopy]

Ah, my mistake

[eternal escarp]

ye its fine

i do get what you mean

but there are still reasons to explore the abyss after all

be it in later tiers

[clever canopy]

Honestly fishing for abyss items is less time consuming than going into the abyss for them

[eternal escarp]

(or the little amount of post skeletron drops, like Abyssal Shocker)

yeah, it is less time consuming

but most average players dont really realize it

[clever canopy]

With calamity you don’t even need to do fishing quests to make fishing viable either, the scourges give you everything you need

[eternal escarp]

thankfully

because GOD the angler is a bitch

byeah, fishing is way more accesible thankfully

especially when fishing has quite a lot of great rewards

like, Dragoon Drizzlefish

or Gacruxian Mollusk

etc

[clever canopy]

Yeah but in a way that makes fishing more balanced as there’s a high up front cost to get those items

[eternal escarp]

mhm

gotta grind the accesories and get good rods and buy lures and go to the fishing spots for those goodies

well accesories arent necessary but they make it easier

[clever canopy]

The accessories are pretty necessary if you don’t wanna be fishing for multiple hours

[eternal escarp]

ye they are somewhat necessary if you want it to actually be faster / somewhat enjoyable

[clever canopy]

This actually reminds me I was gonna make a suggestion about the potion fish from the sunken sea being a bit unbalanced

In that you get so many more potions from some of them than others despite fishing a similar amount of them

[eternal escarp]

as much as your sugg is likely a great one
the average cal player would likely not understand a word of this

[fossil finch]

Above

[gray nebula]

voice acting

😃

[ashen warren]

well if that actually happens really you would need one

just one

[frail mantle]

voice acting in this game sounds out of place

[gray nebula]

one voice acting is one voice acting too many

[fossil finch]

voice acting (no)

[frozen hornet]

funy cutscenes

[gray nebula]

unique roars are a cool idea tho just because of how much the default one gets reused

[fossil finch]

anyways i agree other sounds and maybe even animations can be made but yeah

[frozen hornet]

Indeed

[gray nebula]

the reason behing "they show no mercy" is a bit weird as reasoning though

[wooden wedge]

unique roars: yes
cutscenes: noooo

[distant gyro]

true

[fossil finch]

they could be simple animations

not full-on cutscenes

[wooden wedge]

would you want to watch a cutscene every single time while trying to just kill a boss 200 times for a rare drop

[distant gyro]

next update scal chants the script of the bee movie at you when summoned

or something, close enough

[ashen warren]

well you will be able to move your character

[fossil finch]

they could also be deactivated with a config or after you defeat the boss byeah i get the point

[fossil finch]

LETS FUCKING GOOO

[wooden wedge]

vro spoilers

[ashen warren]

wait lemme rework the suggestion

[wooden wedge]

also yea the reasoning is weird

[frozen hornet]

Mm

I wonder,will she get a new summon animation next update?

[wooden wedge]

"sooo yeah" is not a good reason

a

[ashen warren]

i reworked it more

i removed the so yeah

wait no

i kept it whilst expanding the reason

[frozen hornet]

The sooo yeah is still there

[ashen warren]

i know, i said i kept it whilst expanding the reason

[frozen hornet]

Mmh

fair

[cobalt pewter]

Voice acting wouldn't be likely for like

Most bosses

Maybe scal in 1.5 but do the devs even have a Brit lying around to do it

(scal might or might not be canonically a Brit)

Anyways Yharon has custom roars no?

[eternal escarp]

voice acting for all bosses is not likely at all

also i think yharon is the only one with a custom roar iirc

[fossil finch]

bosses that maybe can have boss acting:

anahita
brimmy
bosses that can have boss acting:
yharim
scal
???????:
exo mechs

[cobalt pewter]

Anahita can totally just do like

Blub blub noises idk

[fossil finch]

trolling

[cobalt pewter]

No need voice acting if possible (?)

[eternal escarp]

just pokemon style her tbh...

[frozen hornet]

Cursed

[eternal escarp]

byeah tbh, voice acting is big "urgh"in terraria imo

it doesnt fit at all

[cobalt pewter]

Feel like dog can have something like low, but resonating echoes of roar to kinda simulate dog's noises in your head maybe?

You can definitely do some custom roar and stuff without voice acting

[eternal escarp]

RoTJD is a good song but the lyrics in terraria feel off, to those who might bring it up in this convo

[cobalt pewter]

And most bosses wouldn't need to

[frozen hornet]

Erebus roars on DoG

[frail mantle]

DoG already has a custom spawn sound iirc

[frozen hornet]

Yea

[eternal escarp]

the "Dwoosh"

[cobalt pewter]

Man I haven't touched terraria in a long time

So I kinda forgot

byeah ig

[grim tusk]

The person who voices DoG will die from cringe the very next day

[hollow shell]

@sage ore Two things
"Impressive really." is a very condescending thing to say. Remember that you're proposing these suggestions to the devs, you don't want to antagonize them.
And why do you mention Hero's Mod? We don't have control over that.

@ashen warren It would help if you provided as many instances as you can where the default boss roar is used.
Because "it feels like duke fishron is the only boss with custom sounds" is not true. Desert Scourge, Leviathan, Astrum Deus, Old Duke, Devourer of Gods, and Yharon all have custom roars.
Eidolon Wyrms, Mauler, and Great Sand Shark too. Providence also has many custom sounds.

[eternal escarp]

(could argue ravager has a unique roar ig, as i remember you ssying it was an unused roar in terraria (which makes it still stand out in the mod))

[hollow shell]

(Indeed, Ravager uses the unused screech)

Alright, but why us? We're the most popular mod yes but why should we be the ones to control whether Hero's Mod (or Cheat Sheet) is tied to the server scope or client scope?
Wouldn't that be better suggested to the developers of those mods, or implemented as a separate standalone mod?

No, to the developers of those mods

[sage ore]

Check this out, very simple to add herosmod as an option.

Even if you didnt want to use it, separating the scopes as well is wise.

[hollow shell]

Are you getting what I'm saying

[sage ore]

I dont

[hollow shell]

If you're proposing a separation of client and server, you're implying that it's possible. You're suggesting it to us, Calamity, but the fact that the separation is possible means that other mods will be able to implement it
Hero's Mod could do the client-server separation themselves. Just because Calamity implements the separation into its config options doesn't mean that it needs to use it to account for other mods

What if you wanna use Hero's Mod in a multiplayer Thorium playthrough, and want this same separation?

It'd be better to just have Hero's do it and not have every major content mod add its own client-server separation for it

[sage ore]

I dont think you understand how HerosMod works

Is that where were missing here?

Why wouldn't each individual mod have control over how their config is accessed and saved? A lot of mods do this. It's not a lot of work. It's very simple to split the config into two files and change a few lines.

it doesn't seem realistic for HerosMod or ModHelper to dictate how all other mods function in this manner.

[hollow shell]

No I understand the rest of the suggestion, I'm not saying that Hero's should have control over Calamity's config or anything like that
The rest of the suggestion is fine, Calamity could have client-server separation in its config. It's just the bit about Hero's Mod that I'm concerned about, because it's a separate mod.

[sage ore]

Here is a case example. Say you have a remote dedicated server. You will have to connect to the server (via SSH or something) everytime you want to make a change by altering the config directly. HerosMod Implements a permissions system that can assign a player the proper permissions. Otherwise, you will have no control over the config as a server owner logged in to the game on your game client.

[hollow shell]

Okay
This is indeed the bit I've been missing and I'm sure a lot of other people don't know about
I only know Hero's Mod as being a cheat sheet style mod, I had no idea it did anything involving player permissions

[sage ore]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can basically only check if the players IP is the same as the servers IP. Without having some type of static IP or UUID in the config?

[sage ore]

Oh wow. Its my favorite part of HerosMod. 😄

[hollow shell]

It would be good to clarify in your suggestion that Hero's has this feature

cuz I'm like 90% sure that most people only see it as a cheat sheet

so to them and me it'd be kinda weird to mention it here

[sage ore]

Okay awesome will do

[hollow shell]

Thanks mate

[sage ore]

Nope, thank you. Let me know if I should add more info or expand on anything else.

Right now, I am doing an IL Hook into the config and its being a pain in the ass 😛

Either way, we will be putting Calamity through its paces our next season which starts in a couple days

Btw Rover. Im guessing the dev team is pretty closed about letting peeps submit PRs? Especially since I havent seen an open repo for it. And, do they ever do any kind of open recruitment?

[hollow shell]

The dev team is indeed quite restrictive and protective of their code
The only people outside of the 4 or 5 active programmers that are able to see it are long-time wiki editors

[sage ore]

Sounds about right. 😄 That is awesome though. They are very talented.

[hollow shell]

Thanks

[runic helm]

add more insensitive

ah yes

[radiant meadow]

I tried fixing configs for mp once and I had no idea what I was doing ngl

[worthy lintel]

I'm almost certain the problem of bosses being immune to almost every debuff barring green flames and piss is being worked on atm

It's been expressed several times so far

[thick raptor]

Where would I be without shellfish claps

[earnest raptor]

Providence and Polterghast are vulnerable to debuffs from weapons on their tier.

While after that bosses are immune everything but to DR reduction shit.

[fossil mural]

in general debuff immunity kinda sucks

really limits options

so less of it will always be good

[sleek wadi]

The following suggestions have reached 200 stars:
Calamity tool gimmicks
Fishable Life Crystal alternative
Brimstone Crag immune to On Fire! and Brimstone Flames

[cobalt pewter]

@earnest raptor I'm p sure cursed flames and ichor are meant to be used for a significantly longer time that you thought in cal

Like fucking hell cursed inferno reduces DR

[crude geode]

Also this change is occurring so might wanna wait

[real steppe]

The elemental disk is also an ungodly lag machine, right?

[grim tusk]

If you get fucked/blessed by rng

[earnest raptor]

Then why GSI is not reducing DR?

[dapper coral]

that sounds like a different sugg tbh

[earnest raptor]

Why SCal is immune to debuffs from her weapons, but not to green flames?

Green flames are that strong in Calamity's lore?

[thick raptor]

I think all the bosses can be affected by shellfish claps

The most powerful witch in the world can get destroyed if you have enough shellfish

[earnest raptor]

Same witch is immune to stardust cells.

Like what

[earnest raptor]

[frail mantle]

again

your suggestion is probably already a thing in 1.5

[crude geode]

@earnest raptor see above

[crude geode]

Bot dead.

[zenith hazel]

notified amber

[grim tusk]

SuggBot went to visit the og NohitBot in the graveyard

Also since we have said many times #suggestions-posting message
this is a thing in 1.5 already (change 587).

Also why do mods dont just delete the sugg rather than pinging @earnest raptor to do so since despite pinging him and entering the channel he doesnt

(Also your sugg is a thing in 1.5 so delete or edit it if you actually saw the previous messages Trashbox)

[crude geode]

I am also unsure tbh

@dapper coral Shouldn’t trashbox’s suggestion at least be ❗ since there’s a changelog specifically about boss immunities?

[dapper coral]

myeah sure

[hollow shell]

iunno

[hollow shell]

@dusty hamlet Rest of the sugg is fine, but "from a ruins structure at the very bottom" is an unneeded detail

[dusty hamlet]

eh, i like the idea

[fossil finch]

I'd add it's quite a mouthful

And may be hard to understand for voters

And, well, as rover said, there's unneeded specifications

[dusty hamlet]

sorry, i just have ideas

this one got me excited

[hollow shell]

I think the sugg as a whole is fine yeah

but imo you should edit out the ruins bit

[dusty hamlet]

ok i'll go do that

[fossil finch]

(I'd say the entire plating part and leave the thing that makes you able to breath on abyss a totally open idea but rover's word is more important than mine here)

[dusty hamlet]

i think it's important to make plating, bricks and slabs since that is the only material you'd be able to build out of and I dont want to limit builders

[fossil finch]

Imo it could be whatever

Some consumable, a favorite-activated item, or even an effigy, that's why i think it's better for it to not be specific

This would limit builders as they would have to use a block they may not want constantly if they wanna breath

[hollow shell]

This sugg looks fine

[fossil finch]

Auric throne

Poggers

[worn blaze]

pogchampers

tbh my void block futuristic castle is in dire need of a throne that isn't... meh

[crude geode]

Sounds actually useful unlike auric toilet additions

[worn blaze]

I would've also suggested being able to sit on thrones, but I think that's against da rules, so I'll leave it up to anyone who reads this

[crude geode]

Yeah 1.4 content iirc

[worn blaze]

rlly? pretty sure you can't in 1.4... ima check

[fossil finch]

Aren't thrones facing to the camera

[worn blaze]

ye

[hollow shell]

I think he meant sitting at all

[fossil finch]

If that's the case, no sitting on thrones then

No frontfacing terrarian

We shall not bring that curse upon this land

[worn blaze]

ye that'd kinda look weird and would be a bunch of spritework if it were to be facing the camera

I think it'd be nice even if the avatar faces right or left

byeah ig sitting itself is a 1.4 mechanic

[fossil finch]

Yes
Unlike 1.4 sitting, that doesn't actually use any sprites, instead it does code:tm: to do it, this would require spritework

[dusty hamlet]

you can sit on 1.4 thrones

you sit just like in chairs

[scenic pine]

Honestly, I agree with the first snithitzu master, it would be cool if you could live in the abyss

[spring lantern]

who can resist a free train of delicious mussels? Even a witch with the mentality of a Dark God with a big doubt will not be defeated in this way. This is how diplomacy works, comrades

[eternal escarp]

wasnt this sugg already said to not be able to work / cause large desync issues?

[grim tusk]

:tru:

[dusty venture]

the invisible allies projectiles one?

dman cuz that is a great idea tbh + just great for preventing lag

[eternal escarp]

in theory it is

but when you think more, the projectiles still need to be calculated

and iirc it was said it would take more effort and cause more desync to make them invisible then to not

[dusty venture]

ah ok

[fossil mural]

In general

I'd love something to be done about projectile visibility

It makes post moonlord bad enough as a mage solo but with multiplayer thrown in

Your entire screen can just be filled with ten quadrillion projectile's

[eternal escarp]

viability or visibility?

[fossil mural]

And you just kinda gotta hope you can dodge whatever the boss is also thrown out

Visibility

Auto

Autocorrect

Dang phone

[eternal escarp]

yeah, i guessed

[fossil mural]

Anyway, mass projectiles bad

Visual clutter is pain

Anything to reduce it is nice

I found myself purposely using weapons that spawn less projectiles when they're inferior options just so me and my friends could actually see what's on screen

[wooden wedge]

I thought almost if not all projectiles needed to be visible to do their damage/effects

[fossil mural]

If it's impossible to reduce visual clutter that's sad

Guess it would just mean "don't use projectile heavy weapons especially in multiplayer"

Which is kinda limiting at times

[distant gyro]

no

but making projectiles invisible can't save projectiles that are already invisible

and that ruins consistency a lot

ie. most dust beam weapons like Titanium Railgun, Night's Ray, Archerfish, Lunar Flare

all dust and gores will still be created despite an invisible projectile

an inactive projectile, on the other hand, does no damage and does not exist at all

which means it will not do damage at all in mp

[crude geode]

Yeah was gonna ask if this was even possible/plausible

[obsidian cove]

It’s definitely possible to turn a projectile invisible but I don’t think it can be just for one person

Or not for one person

[distant gyro]

you could set a global condition that if multiplayer and projectile is friendly + not owned by player = 0 opacity but that doesn't affect much

[eternal escarp]

small nitpick but could say how instead of "much more sense", you could argue how it would be "more more consistant"

[weak field]

If you're really going to get into the logiks, how is a sphere staying up there anyways

You can call down the heaven's wraith with a swing of a sword, I don't think floating stone islands cause too much issue

[frail mantle]

@gentle chasm power curve flattening is already a thing that is happening in 1.5

[gentle chasm]

ah
i was unaware of this

thanks for telling me

[frail mantle]

[ornate slate]

fixed it

sorry for not seeing this

[eternal escarp]

its fine since it wasnt a big change anyways, you get your point across either way

[ornate slate]

that particle plague effect is good

i want to see that

[dapper coral]

it's gotten a positive reaction in the dev place so it might happen one day (no guarantees tho)

[eternal escarp]

what did?

[dapper coral]

the particle effect for plague

[eternal escarp]

a

[fossil finch]

I don't have an issue with that aside:
Performance
But idk how much could it affect that

[dapper coral]

probably would fall under particles config if i had to guess

but i digress

[worn blaze]

iirc jack's sugg was already suggested before and one of the devs rejected it when it went to voting

[eternal escarp]

i remembered a sugg like that before which was stated to cause issues but maybe its diff now

[worn blaze]

maybe, yeah idk why it was rejected, I mean it makes sense to add something like that...but I'm guessing it's an issue with coding it in

[dapper coral]

jack who

[novel belfry]

That plague particle effect gave me an idea

[eternal escarp]

the sugg about the invisible multiplayer proj

[dapper coral]

oh, that says jack lmao

i will search

okay, so it seems like the issue with it was that it would probably cause massive desync issues

either that, or it would leave enough exceptions that it wouldn't be worth the effort in the first place

however, i am curious now that fargos was mentioned

i wonder if they have a method that causes not desync

[hollow shell]

@still relic You mentioned Fargo's. Does it have a similar feature already?

[grim tusk]

Fargo’s souls does

[fossil finch]

It's client side and does the opaque slider thing i think

[still relic]

yes it does have limited visibilty

A

[hollow shell]

Interesting

Definitely makes this suggestion seem more possible

[dapper coral]

assuming this sugg makes it to dev, that would be some context that should be provided alongside it, then

epic

[ancient shard]

@dusty hamlet clamitys vanitys has a resasperation shrine
i cant spell

[dusty hamlet]

yes, but it doesnt allow you to make housing

[ancient shard]

yeah but

those walls are forever

you could just place a tp pad to a fake rreplica far out with a music box and make housing there

i did one in th sunken seas

i have no screen shots

but it exists

also player made abysal walls can be broke

yeah its fake but its the best you can do unless you want a overtaken vibe

[grim tusk]

Question: Would suggesting increasing the size and loudness of Supernova's explosion be allowed?

[radiant meadow]

making the supernova sprite bigger is like not possible unless it's like scaled bigger. making the hitbox bigger than the sprite is probably possible.
can also make it louder, just needs to not kill people's ears

[still relic]

A

[neat citrus]

Making it scaled bigger is easy though

[radiant meadow]

it's easy, it just might look bad

[hollow shell]

(hey Ben do you know if Vivid still has Supernova's explosions in latest test?)

(if not that's fine, just
thought it'd be good for Supernova's explosion to look more significant if it wasn't reused elsewhere)

[gray nebula]

hate people hate people hate people

The sprited animated explosion WAS NOT VIVID's it was supernovas' and then it litterally got stolen

cant belieive mfs are associating the supernova explosion more so wiith the ripoff than with the real one

anyways just ask dom to make a new purely code vfx based explosion for supernova

[grim tusk]

i meant as in an range but alright

[cobalt pewter]

Blame supernova for being obscure and bad lol!

[grim tusk]

[vocal grotto]

I may have an idea

[frank stratus]

🚎

[distant gyro]

bring back the dust explosion for vivid

[sleek wadi]

Victory Shard Removal sugg been sitting at 199 for a while now, someone toss my lad a star

[grim tusk]

Astral seeds is also on the 190-200 limbo

Needs 2

Mantis shrimp sugg hit 200

[distant gyro]

a lot of sugs are in the 190 limbo

[novel belfry]

come on man

did a scambot literally ping everyone and got away with it?

[fast viper]

nah, everyone pings are suppressed

[short walrus]

nope

[fast viper]

it kind of just posted in every channel tho

[sleek wadi]

Victory Shard Removal hit 200 pog

[frail mantle]

crag rework™️ to make it more anything than it currently is is planned

[hollow shell]

well uhh

That's coming in like, months

if not over a year

[crude geode]

?

[hollow shell]

The crag rework

Sorry I didn't see sugg in posting

[crude geode]

Fair

If you have any suggestions to make this more easily digestible lemme know

[hollow shell]

I think this is a good suggestion

[crude geode]

My only problem with it is just the title, it’s a mouthful/slightly confusing if you don’t know that specific behavior of Polter

[hollow shell]

I suppose so

[eternal escarp]

ig the start could be like

"Implement a tweak" instead of the "add a form of change to"

or smthn like that

[hollow shell]

"Make WoF less aggressive the more blocks there are nearby" or something similar, perhaps

[eternal escarp]

o that would work better prolly

would also not rely on people knowing polterghasts mechanic

and just straight up explain it ig

[river glen]

should teleportation also not be usable during boss fights

teleportation potions*

cuz i can get lucky and go across the world

and have a similar effect of stalling

[solid folio]

It also doesn't make sense how clouds hold up islands but ok

[still relic]

*later

[forest terrace]

well how do we know clouds in terraria are the same as clouds irl

they could be2x2 feet fluffy balloons

[sleek wadi]

Astral Seed suggestion has reached 200 stars

[ornate slate]

well, if there's a reason for it

it would atleast be nice for some consistency

[crude geode]

Ah yes logic. My favorite for a game with nuclear waste dump ocean and undead space worms that have been consumed from the inside out.

[brittle nexus]

supernova's size was doubled a long, long time ago and it's comically large and it is usable

[grim tusk]

Well now, just needs more BANG

[pine star]

What about making it LOUD?

[fossil finch]

Something something don't be intrusive when the fight itself is kind of already a visual and sonorous shitshow

[merry plank]

We need to have a craftable pre-skeletron non consumable summon for him

Playing RevArma makes me hate skeletron

[merry plank]

Because i die to something like fall damage or some random enemy and have to wait about 30 minutes

[earnest cape]

@merry plank fargo mutant has "suspicious skull" that spawns skeletron w/o old man which you can just cheat in

[merry plank]

Oh yeah

I forgot XD

[earnest cape]

[gray nebula]

hehehe its like that gif of the guy

[keen zealot]

still, the solution shouldn't have to be to cheat in an item from after you kill him to summon him

could make the clothier voodoo doll craftable with like silk+leather and summon on use when there isn't a clothier

boss summons being limited is kinda lame anyhow

[fossil finch]

wdym by limited though