JESUS
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF OMEGA BRAIN
#suggestions-discussion
pine star
I would do a chess problem with a description of how the pieces move, check/checkmate, castling, pawn promotion, and en passant
pine star
don't make this complicated
all those descriptions are just "in case they know nothing about chess"
The actual problem is a "mate in X" problem
gusty geode
Just a simple code hidden in the same place as the rules would be enough imo
tawny garden
and it's not worth it anyway, it's not like we're passing laws or smth
gusty geode
If they made a bot from scratch specifically to filter out shit suggestions then I doubt a basic verification code system would be too far out of reach
hollow shell
byeah it's prolly just, not worth it
tawny garden
usually, if the suggestion is bad, it won't get to 200 ⭐
hollow shell
Suggestions on their own do not have enough influence on the mod
fossil finch
Bot's just a sending tool
hollow shell
for such a system to be worth implementing specifically for these channels.
gusty geode
Makes sense
tranquil perch
Ik this is already on voting but like this is literally just an invalid sugg 
It is factually incorrect
Even on pbg, a late game boss, which has a ton of dr
You'd get 8% less dr
so like 12% damage
Wait no
muted osprey
goddamnit photonic stop telling other people that their opinion is invalid
tranquil perch
muted osprey
/s
ashen warren
Based photonic
ashen warren
Ik this is already on voting but like this is literally just an invalid sugg <:H...
also yea tf is that suggestion
distant gyro
more like 0.8x DR
potent ferry
hollow shell
byeah
Something stronger than a class emblem or Ruthless prefix
or
flat damage boost
mossy vapor
it has been exactly 24 hours since my suggestion was posted!
distant gyro
I think DR reduction is still overrated though
mossy vapor
time to see if it makes its way on #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
Yep
It'll either get delivered in a few seconds or you may have to wait a bit in case the bot's having a fit
distant gyro
and the suggestion never really addressed that
distant gyro
.
mossy vapor
Yep
It'll either get delivered in a few seconds or you may have to wait a bit in...
silly bot
distant gyro
a clear situation where ichor is better and semi-commonplace in early-to-mid hardmode
hollow shell
Aight there we go
distant gyro
it's gone now
hollow shell
Just had to do it manually
which is something I've tried many times before and it never worked till now, interesting
mossy vapor
Aight there we go
yee it has been posted
mossy vapor
Just had to do it manually
ah I noticed
time to see if it gets votes at all
yee first vote
mossy vapor
I like your idea Tonkla!
I think it is kinda weird that you have to wait for the worm to uncurl
heady storm
What would you do with the armor Post-Plant though.
earnest cape
if you're thinking of meld constructs, it no longer requires hallowed bar
tranquil zephyr
and the mech spawners are 25 gold so theyre kinda expensive
tranquil zephyr
if you're thinking of meld constructs, it no longer requires hallowed bar
no i didnt even know they existed lol
heady storm
So from what I am getting the suggestion is pointless.
earnest cape
there isn't even convincing reasoning
heady storm
@tranquil zephyr yeah you are going to need a little more than that.
Why even for Calamity as another part.
cobalt pewter
sharp prism
no.
earnest cape
reposting time indeed
tawny garden
god, we returnin' to 2 suggs by Feedza in one day
earnest cape
indeed
warm scarab
@cobalt pewter i thought you posted this some time ago alr
earnest cape
Repost time
.
warm scarab
didn't it get 200 stars
eternal escarp
if it did, then he prolly wouldnt repost
earnest cape
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm scarab
🤔
cobalt pewter
Neither of these suggs reached 200
Hell, the single minion one is all the way back in December
tawny garden
Can we delete auric toilet btw
Yes
earnest cape
muted osprey
but toilet funni!!!
violet sierra
so if i have an idea I just post it in the posting channel, yeah?
Just wanna make sure im not missing anything
tawny garden
ye
violet sierra
hmmm
I dont know if my idea falls under SIS
or is that mostly like, a weapon thing
violet sierra
im reading it now
eternal escarp
the draft or whatever
whole sedge
If it's an item with stats being suggested or an exact design it's usually SIS but if it is like "add a new pml armor set" that's not to my knowledge
violet sierra
Add a variant of the Cosmic Worm that lets you fight the Sentinels Phase
For me, Devourer of Gods is one of my favorite fights. Its an absolute spectacle and very fun, however, I find myself disappointed with one aspect with the fight. After you kill DoG phase 1 for the first time, you have to fight the Sentinels, after you've done this, they never show up again. I, and I'm sure other people do as well, like to just fight DoG just for fun, so I think it would be neat if there was a variant of the Cosmic Worm that let that phase not be cut out of the fight. I don't know if that's possible in the code, but I figured I would mention it.
this isnt breaking any donts is it?
whole sedge
Yeah is gud, could probably remove the end part of not knowing if it is possible or not etc but still gud 
violet sierra
aight cool
thats somerthing ive had in my head for awhile
was just too nervous to post it
it felt odd that there was no way to refight that part
safe oasis
can't you just use the rune of kos if you wanted to refight them?
violet sierra
what
No like
DoG summons the sentiels during his fight,a nd theres a pause in his fight
im talking about that
safe oasis
ah
violet sierra
also, you have to use Rune of Kos in their biome to refight them
Im talking specifically about whent hey show up to help DoG
cuz after you reach phase 2
they dotn show up again
round ravine
Has anybody suggested to lower the speed of the Crawltipede from the Lunar Events?
fossil finch
it is fine imo
fossil finch
they are a punishment for flying so their speed is fine tbh
round ravine
they are a punishment for flying so their speed is fine tbh
So I shouldn't fly while fighting the Solar Pillar?
fossil finch
yeah that's the sole reason they are there
cobalt pewter
Crawltipedes are fine
Corites are not
Crawltipede is what makes Solar Pillar not completely cheesable
fossil finch
they don't attack you if you are 7 or less blocks above ground at much
cobalt pewter
It can still be passive if you're standing on platforms iirc
ancient mirage
isnt it based off distance from a block so you can go next to a wall and be fine
cobalt pewter
Yeah blocks
tranquil perch
1.4 does that btw
round ravine
yeah that's the sole reason they are there
Isn't it bad game design to restrict the player from doing certain things they're allowed to do in other areas of the game?
twilit warren
Not really it forces you to play differently but that’s not necessarily a bad thing
whole sedge
It's not bad design when it's purpose is to discourage players from cheesing other enemies 
You can still kill them easily also because of their tail and are pretty easy to dodge
round ravine
Why would they design it like that?
safe oasis
Isn't it bad game design to restrict the player from doing certain things they'r...
depends on what it is
whole sedge
Because redesigning like 9 enemies is way more difficult than just making a new one to discourage cheesey playstyles also
safe oasis
in the case of the solar pillar, crawltipede by itself isn’t bad design, but crawltipede in combination with the other enemies absolutely is
get on the ground? you get fucked
get in the air? you get fucked
just a death cycle
whole sedge
And how the pillars in general are made but that's kinda off from crawlipedes also
round ravine
Solar Pillar fucking sucks.
whole sedge
Pillars fucking suck*
My main issue with crawlipedes is where they kinda trigger but they're just kinda okay right now
buoyant idol
sorry hand slipped
safe oasis
no worries
frail mantle
it happens
hollow shell
@analog talon Don't you mean Selenian instead of Corite, when you say you can't spam attacks everywhere?
(Selenians are the ones that reflect projectiles)
Unless Corites also pose a significant unique problem, which I personally don't know if they do or not compared to other enemies
grim tusk
corites are also a problem
analog talon
~~Unless Corites also pose a significant unique problem, which I personally don'...
corites tend to come from underground or behind walls and hit you before you can hit them
grim tusk
they come in huge numbers forcing you to spam attacks which then makes selenians fuck you up if using bullets or other reflectable projectiles
hollow shell
I see
analog talon
80% of the time you kill a selenian before they can hit you
grim tusk
you could deal with both easily if you could fly but Crawltipede
river glen
can i suggest something like to remove the visual of tesla potion
frail mantle
you can but it probably won't get very far
frail mantle
very far in terms of "if you think it's too visually distracting it'd be better to make it more transparent or something than to straight up remove the visual"
frail mantle
transparent would mean it'd still be there but you can see through it
completely removing it would mean it just ceases to exist and you can no longer see it at all
golden narwhal
#suggestions-voting message this got pretty close to 200
whole sedge
I can say a singular .png/.gif/whatever likely doesn't lag your game much at all compared to even a slime.
ancient mirage
transparent would mean it'd still be there but you can see through it
transparent is invisible, thats translucent
frail mantle
something like that
round ravine
Has anybody suggested that if a boss despawns, the boss rush should end?
round ravine
Because Calamity's already evil, so might as well make it more evil. >:)
zenith hazel
but we're gonna reject it
tawny garden
great 
zenith hazel
no matter how good of a reason you provide, there is no way we're doing it
it sounds unnecessarily annoying for an already long sequence
twilit warren
I see calamity as being evil in a fun way, that would honestly ruin the event
analog talon
Has anybody suggested that if a boss despawns, the boss rush should end?
that would mean Astrum Aureus would reset the boss rush nearly every time you fight him
round ravine
that would mean Astrum Aureus would reset the boss rush nearly every time you fi...
I meant if you outrun them.
analog talon
I meant if you outrun them.
thats the only way to despawn any boss rush boss that isn't the profaned guardians
the mechs, EoC, providence, and skeletron enrage
instead of despawning iirc
crude geode
shouldn't this wait until next update, considering the fact that pillar enemies are getting tiered?
hollow shell
iunno how that would affect Crawltipede
This suggestion would be relevant for at least part of the event still
even if it's only the latter half or last fourth
hollow shell
Eh it's understandable enough
analog talon
"Make sharkrons not deal damage for [blank] after spawning" would be the correct way iirc
cobalt pewter
@analog talon 1.5 will add the jump speed bonus to 12%, plus the whole jump speed shenanigans with Frog Leg is getting reworked
@warm scarab 1.5 will make this happen
warm scarab
<@734682139202682881> 1.5 will make this happen
crude geode
@cobalt pewter I kind of like the fact that you can only summon one of these minions. It adds more variety to summoner minions, and forces you to use more than just that one minion.
cobalt pewter
It's still one, just their power scales to minion slots. And this actually goes the other way too, as I can use more of various minions without getting taxed heavily, at the cost of slightly weaker minions.
Byeah, I can see where you're getting at
crude geode
How does this let you “use more various minions without getting taxed heavily”?
cobalt pewter
Basically if I want to use Immat but for just 1 slot
crude geode
...that’s not very clear in your suggestion that you wanna let people summon minions worth more than 1 slot for 1.
I’m going to scream
frozen hornet
SCal doesn't drop dev weapons anymore in the next update
earnest cape
I’m going to scream
pepeLaugh
crude geode
SCal doesn't drop dev weapons anymore in the next update
@shell drift ^
crude geode
Draedon existing moves things around
shell drift
will any boss drop the dev weapons?
frozen hornet
dev weapons will need both the new bosses' drops to craft
cobalt pewter
will any boss drop the dev weapons?
No
frozen hornet
Maybe they'll have both of them drop dev weapons after both are killed but that's unlikely to happen since both of them have their own drops already
hollow shell
Ye, dev weapons will be only craftable next update instead of direct SCal drops
earnest cape
for the lore part lore items exist and they're gonna be purely about descriptions next update
i hope i worded that right
ashen finch
additionally, if you're afraid about missing bosses, use BossCheckList
safe oasis
this actually isn’t a bad idea
but it could use more reasoning
like “this mod has very little lore unless you read the lore items, which even then only give surface level information about the boss you killed and nothing else”
and elaborate how those lore book things could expand the ingame lore
without having to look at wiki
mossy vapor
le lore
safe oasis
similar to i think spirit mod that does this
dapper coral
ig they're just asking for a specific way of inserting lore this time, rather than just asking for more lore in-game as most other suggestions like this do
hollow shell
He isn't just asking for lore though, he's asking for hints too
like, about the existence of bosses
mossy vapor
I think maybe the Calamitas NPC should have a lore button and she reads the lore to you?
safe oasis
why would you read lore that late in the game tho
mossy vapor
like you select a specific boss' lore to read and she tells it to you?
safe oasis
make amidias spout lore along with his tips maybe
mossy vapor
make amidias spout lore along with his tips maybe
better idea
brisk plaza
imagine SCal NPC sell endgame op weapons
warm scarab
@torpid cedar your sugg can use more details
andd fix grammar
like "the content is so huge that accidently misses some boss fight" can be corrected into "the content is so huge that accidentally missing some boss fights is a common issue"
analog talon
@ocean lynx 10 blood orbs at an alchemy table
cobalt pewter
....
safe oasis
@shut tide recipe browser
fossil finch
Get recipe broswer yes thanks
shut tide
But the problem is there are good weapons/equipment that I don’t even know exist until I search the wiki
fossil finch
Why should calamity even add a fully fleshed in depth crafting guide for every class even
Well uh
cobalt pewter
That's part of the fun, exploring new things as you replay the game
shut tide
I wouldn’t feel like having to put a bunch of materials into the recipe browser and list down what items there are that I can get
shut tide
That's part of the fun, exploring new things as you replay the game
Don’t get me wrong, I love finding out about the weapons I can get
cobalt pewter
imo the sugg feels too handholding the player more than needed for Cal's standards, especially when another QoL mod does something similar already
fossil finch
Good solution lets spoonfeed them to everyone instead with something that would take a really big and unnecessary amount of work because recipe browser and wiki do already exist
shut tide
But as an experienced player I know of all these weapons now but it’s way too easy for me to forget about available weapons/equipment even if I’ve used them
Ig u guys have a good point though, the beauty of having so much content is that your weapon loadout is gonna be different every time
tawny garden
I mean
shut tide
Every single melee play through I’ve done I’ve always missed out on good weapons but the thing is that brought much more variety to my arsenal
tawny garden
I think Recipe Browser can also search through drops
safe oasis
yep
whole sedge
This just seems like asking for recipe browser to me and this also seems like an Extreme amount of work for something that practically already exists
fossil finch
((Bosschecklist log's for bosses also))
tawny garden
((Bosschecklist log's for bosses also))
ah yeah
shut tide
Ultimately I agree with u guys that it’s not a good suggestion, it would be incredible for someone who’s experienced but has really faulty memory, but it would ruin the experience for newer players
tawny garden
and this feels like something that a QoL mod should do anyway
whole sedge
If it's bad then why suggest it?
shut tide
Well I wasn’t paying attention to the criticisms when suggesting it
My bad
Out of context, a better suggestion would be to buff the Omniblade cause the Blade of Enmity is WAY BETTER AND COSTS LESS TO MAKE
sleek turret
alredy getting buffed I think in 1.5?
shut tide
Is it?
fossil finch
is omniblade post moonlord
shut tide
No
fossil finch
then it may may not get a buff
whole sedge
Yeah rebalancing for most of the stuff in the mod is already happening so it's likely getting rebalanced
shut tide
It’s post-golem along with blade of enmity, it material cost is entirely more expensive and it’s entirely worse than blade of enmity in DPS
whole sedge
Especially if it's as underwhelming as omniblade 
fossil finch
at least not in 1.5
fabsol did say next update after 1.5 may rebalance the rest of the game byeah
since it is true melee, it is probably getting buffed
shut tide
Tbh omniblade should be put later in the game and get a huge buff
I would be satisfied
rose jewel
Use recipe browser
shut tide
Recipe browser doesn’t replicate what I said but it’s clearly good enough
shell drift
having a lore book would be cool, like as you kill bosses / find biomes, it gets more pages of lore you can go read
wooden wedge
having a lore book would be cool, like as you kill bosses / find biomes, it gets...
what?
are you making a suggestion?
robust lava
It was in response to Neko's suggestion
wooden wedge
a
river glen
is something like "roxcalibur right click when touching the ground should restore wing flight time" be something worth
or nah
safe oasis
patron weapon suggs should get permission from the patron
frail mantle
Yea it is
sharp prism
early enter
fading silo
My bad
sharp prism
:///
tawny garden
(you could've edited, it would've been fine)
sharp prism
:///////
hollow shell
It's fine don't worry
fading silo
I was going to talk about the fact that the death mode targeting causes bosses to do 180's or something leading to cheap hits.
The only reason why I bring this up was because AS decided to snap its neck on me to kill me and I was going to win that fight if it didn't
hollow shell
Huh, didn't know AS was capable of doing that
fading silo
I also have photo evidence
hollow shell
I only know DoG has some quick turn capabilities near the end of the fight
fading silo
I was making sure that it wasn't just the game being laggy on me so I turned on god mode to check if I was crazy or not.
If I may send the picture it would help get a better understanding
hollow shell
You can send it here yeah
fading silo
fading silo
It really snaps its head towards you after the dash
It's weird
I only found it in death mode
Prob just a targeting issue
hollow shell
I think AS did have some cheap hit issues regarding its dash/spin attack, so this does make some sense
You could make a sugg about it, that'd be fine
analog talon
boneless worm
fading silo
I'll have to do it on my phone so I don't early enter
sharp prism
boneless worm
most worms are
analog talon
I'll have to do it on my phone so I don't early enter
you can disable enter sending the message in the settings
fading silo
I wonder if DS has the same issue
analog talon
there's an option to make it only send if you press shift + enter
hollow shell
(You can hold Shift when pressing Enter to do a line break on PC
Like this)
analog talon
(You can hold Shift when pressing Enter to do a line break on PC
Like this)
yeah but that's dumb
fading silo
Oh thanks
analog talon
it should be the other way around
hollow shell
I'm fine with it being this way personally
Sending messages is a more common thing to do than like breaks, so having plain Enter be the action to do so makes sense
tawny garden
iirc there's a setting that lets you switch
hollow shell
On mobile there is
tawny garden
ah
tawny garden
Sending messages is a more common thing to do than like breaks, so having plain ...
and yeah, that is the reason why enter is send and not newline
fading silo
Rip
shell drift
it should be the other way around
you can switch it in your settings
hollow shell
On mobile there is
On mobile.
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Discord's mobile-PC consistency is hot garbage
They still haven't added favorite emojis or gifs on mobile, nor the ability to spoiler images
despite the latter being a feature on PC for like over a year
earnest cape
this is fine
hollow shell
btw should I exclam Neko's suggestion?
He was pinged over it but never responded, even though he was in other chats today
earnest cape
ye
hollow shell
I'll do it again to be safe
@torpid cedar Your suggestion should probably be reworded and expanded a bit, it is pretty minimal and a bit confusing to understand what you're actually suggesting
earnest cape
violet sierra
They still haven't added favorite emojis or gifs on mobile, nor the ability to s...
spoilering images is possible via putting SPOILER_ at the front of the file name
but yeah it should be as simple as it is on pc
hollow shell
Indeed, I have used that workaround before
Doesn't help that editing file names on mobile is also not as simple as PC
crude geode
^
hollow shell
I take it back, Discord has had spoiler tags for over 2 years
Still haven't gotten around to letting you spoil images on mobile
Wow
fossil finch
Just confirmed myself wrong yeah
fossil finch
Ok ig
hollow shell
@shell drift You need a reason
shell drift
music is cool?
hollow shell
This is a terrible reason
hollow shell
nor is it Dwayne Johnson
mighty knot
isn't giving a use to Rock banned
cobalt pewter
yes
shell drift
yes thats why i said or add a item
mighty knot
alright, but why is this necessary?
hollow shell
Okay but why not just use music boxes
shell drift
cause there isnt a music box that plays a random track
fossil finch
Literally a don't
shell drift
and music boxes = painful asf
hollow shell
Aight but why do you want a random music track
This is something that should be in the reason
fossil finch
This implies someone hears terraria's music using music boxes
shell drift
This is something that should be in the reason
ok but how do i make that into words
random = cool???
wat
earnest raptor
Is this some shitty pun?
Like rock music.
hollow shell
Alright
This could have some value to it
It just doesn't need to be connected to The Rock cuz that makes the sugg more questionable
fossil finch
Shouldn't the title
earnest raptor
I have an idea.
hollow shell
An item that plays random music tracks that you've heard before, to act like an iPod / MP3 player in-game
shell drift
yea
hollow shell
so you can listen to stuff even when the situation doesn't call for it and you don't need to fiddle with placing boxes
fossil finch
That is allowed yeah
But remove connection to rock/anything at all
shell drift
ok
earnest raptor
That should be the device from Mysterious Circuitry and Dubious Platings.
fossil finch
i don't think draedon ever made music players, sorry
hollow shell
"should" is probably the wrong word :P
shell drift
ok i edit
earnest raptor
~~i don't think draedon ever made music players, sorry~~
Ask that in #lore-discussion 
hollow shell
Alright this is better
Not sure if it's as good as it can be
But, it might be valid as-is?
earnest raptor
Ask that in <#568192082473386020> <:echfailure:830655693329399899>
People seems to not deny it
So Dubious Circuitry based mp3 player is plausible
grim tusk
idk how to make it better
Just install tmusicplayer
Also adding an item that does that is too specific
And complex
shell drift
Also adding an item that does that is too specific
lots of items have 1 single very specific use
grim tusk
Yea but they are far simpler
shell drift
And complex
its a random music box tho
most of the work is already done by vanilla
you just gotta make it random
grim tusk
pls disable reply ping
that doesnt fix that the item you are requesting is still too specific
hollow shell
tMusicPlayer? A mod already exists for it?
grim tusk
tMusicPlayer? A mod already exists for it?
This mod essentially allows you to have new ui thing that stores music boxes and play em
Without taking an accs slot
shell drift
does it let you play a random track
languid quartz
I use tmusicplayer, it's dope
grim tusk
Just install tmusicplayer
And randomly pick a song
shell drift
picking a random song is far inferior than having a random song be picked for you
grim tusk
You know you can also just make a spotify playlist with both the Terraria ost and Calamity ost and click shuffle
languid quartz
kinda ruins the immersion tho
shell drift
Kinda defeats the point of the suggestion
some people dont like playing with extra mods maybe?
shell drift
~~kinda ruins the immersion tho~~
me over here with 100 wiki pages open
grim tusk
But like if you just want an mp3 (no shuffle function tho) in Terraria just install TmusicPlayer
No shuffle function but its essentially an mp3
ashen finch
~~me over here with 100 wiki pages open~~
me over here with every wiki page open at once
languid quartz
~~me over here with 100 wiki pages open~~
fair point
fossil finch
Using the game to listen to music isn't too smart anyways imo
Because if it decides to lag there goes your music
All crispy and laggy
grim tusk
shell drift
No shuffle function but its essentially an mp3
half the point of the suggestion is for shuffle
the sound engine doesnt usually lag with the rest of the game
the game might be at 1fps but the music is still bumpin
fossil finch
That's for vanilla music
grim tusk
If the sugg is about the shuffle function or its really relevant for what you want put it on the title of it
still invalid suggestion though
fossil finch
Modded one doesn't work like that
shell drift
make it work like that pzl
hollow shell
(It's been a while since I've experienced bad lag while playing modded so I can't attest either way)
fossil finch
I'm pretty sure it's not an issue od "fix this please" but just how tmod handles modded tracks or smt
grim tusk
(It's been a while since I've experienced bad lag while playing modded so I can'...
~~try using Subsuming vortex or heavenly gale vs Scal ~~
shell drift
the only times i lag are when im doing something that i would expect to lag
grim tusk
Ye
grim tusk
Its been a while since i lag with sun beacons, but SsV and Gale make my high end laptop crawl
this is going offtopic
shell drift
(It's been a while since I've experienced bad lag while playing modded so I can'...
end game weapons + fargos souls = lag
hollow shell
I was talkin about how it affects the music
languid quartz
end game weapons + fargos souls = lag
balancing against other mods will always be broken
since they're not developed to work with each other
shell drift
especially fargos mods
languid quartz
yeah fargos is funny
grim tusk
only souls actually but yea
languid quartz
tbh if you want lag use literally anything against coiled destroyer right after he spawns
grim tusk
Or deus
languid quartz
celestus froze my game for 3 minutes straight
analog talon
tbh if you want lag use literally anything against coiled destroyer right after ...
broken wooden hammer?
grim tusk
The funni aurodical throw SS and sit for 2 mins til deus dies setup
languid quartz
shell drift
I was talkin about how it affects the music
even then, calamity music doesnt lag when i get fps lag
so i think tmodloader might have fixed it
grim tusk
Or just using fabstaff vs BR bosses
shell drift
part of the thing with trophies is that you mastered the boss
not just beat it 1 time
fossil finch
Also
"Hours of re-preparation"
What
??????
Preparation for what
Hours in what way
shell drift
unless your using hundreds of potions you can just hop back into battle
fossil finch
They are literally just the masks and trophies
Masks you get like 3849488 because they drop from the bag at a high chance
Trophies are rarer but still
What
shell drift
getting them 100% ruins the point of them
fossil finch
Byeah this sugg has no reason
grim tusk
What the hell is that sugg
fossil finch
And is a "game mildly inconvenient, fix right away"
grim tusk
Just 1 fucking sentence and is more of a complaint than a suggestion
fossil finch
@coarse silo
shell drift
yeah its a complain in disguise
coarse silo
earnest cape
@umbral pendant this is a dev item so you'll have to ask permission for the dedicatee(in this case iban) for this sugg to be okay
unless you already got permission that is
eternal escarp
iban is the dev iirc
earnest cape
@gray nebula flamsteed ring sugg good or no
umbral pendant
I saw a comment they made on a video saying it took 80h to code it, I kinda feel bad for asking for more
Ah thanks for doing it for me, I feel a little better
earnest cape
eternal escarp
sugg might need a mark until iban responds i think?
earnest cape
pong rover?
umbral pendant
Should I delete it and post it again later?
fossil finch
No
fossil finch
No need
Just
Let it be there until iban
eternal escarp
he seems online so i assume he will check here soon enough
earnest cape
and no it'll just need to be marked ❗ until iban says ok
umbral pendant
Cool
hollow shell
byeah, ❗ for now until we see what Iban says
eternal escarp
(what was my message delay what the)
earnest cape
thinkies
scenic needle
hollow shell
Ah but that would hurt your DPS big time
cuz your minion damage goes down when you hold other class weps
ashen warren
hollow shell
Still a DPS hit, just not as debilitating
shell drift
Rouge accessory to remove peirce be a good idea?
earnest cape
why?
earnest cape
phantom lance etc?
hollow shell
This is an interesting idea that I've never heard before
earnest cape
wouldn't suggesting for the projectiles to not iframe-fuck each other be better tho 
hollow shell
I don't know if removing pierce will ever make a weapon deal more total damage
but that is a thought process that makes me think
earnest cape
brb lemme read old die nerf again
shell drift
I don't know if removing pierce will ever make a weapon deal more total damage
b...
Nanoblack repear+nanites would deal tons more single target dps if it didn't peirce
cause the enemy just gets tons of i-frames
shell drift
wouldn't suggesting for the projectiles to not iframe-fuck each other be better ...
yeah but then it wouldn't be class-specific
hollow shell
It's fine for it to not be class-specific I say
Cuz this problem affects all classes
(to different extents)
hollow shell
Oh yeah this wouldn't.. really work for summoners
Well, I guess for minion projectiles
earnest cape
yeah.............
hollow shell
Just gotta make sure you don't accidentally turn your minions into one-hit bullets
All minions become Borealis Bomber
earnest cape
imagine just summoning a nugget and when it touches something it explodes
shell drift
add a gun with wings as a minion
hollow shell
That's many minions anyway 
earnest cape
mmyes
hollow shell
Can't help but feel like, despite how neat the idea is, the testers are not going to want to consider it
Having to balance many weapons twice, once for if it has pierce and again for when it doesn't have pierce
cobalt pewter
Probably can put this acc a bit later in the game to limit the testing scope
shell drift
maybe it have a -25% damage or something
earnest cape
that makes weapons useless
shell drift
So that it only works to your benefit if you fully comit
shell drift
that makes weapons useless
sometimes maybe
earnest cape
yharon lore decreases 20% and that is already a punch to the gut
shell drift
it hurts but its worth it
shell drift
Some weapons would benefit more than 25% bonus damage from not having peirce
most wouldnt
some would
earnest cape
you're using this accessory for projectiles to not pierce, most of the time dealing more damage
while this just counteracts it and makes it kinda redundant
hollow shell
I imagine that lack of pierce would hurt most weapons
So it's fine to not have the damage nerf built in
shell drift
I post
dapper coral
Can't help but feel like, despite how neat the idea is, the testers are not goin...
yea this sounds... incredibly painful, to say the least
very cool and epic and niche on paper but not so much in game
shell drift
I imagine it'd be obtainable shortly after killing moon lord
hollow shell
You could also mention, Lego
that several bosses take reduced damage from piercing shots as a balancing measure, notably worms
So removing all pierce may allow for some increased DPS
(It may.
Again, the lack of multiple hits probably hurt more than it helps, but it'll be interesting to see where it helps)
earnest cape
honestly it would make most piercing weapons just bad for worms in general if they didn't have piercing cause I wonder why
tawny garden
'tis a fun game where removing piercing might actually help
eternal escarp
@loud torrent might wanna explain why?
earnest cape
and aren't worms already getting piercing DR in 1.5 made by ozz?
hollow shell
I assume he hit enter too early and is now correcting
eternal escarp
ah
shell drift
honestly it would make most piercing weapons just bad for worms in general if th...
worms aren't single target tho
eternal escarp
could be, yeah
shell drift
itd be a direct nerf to multi enemy thinfs
eternal escarp
well, isnt this now future content?
earnest cape
ye
hollow shell
This is indeed future content
tawny garden
Yeah
earnest cape
i assume the boss summon sprite is also getting changed...?
hollow shell
You shouldn't make suggestions about stuff happening in an upcoming update, @loud torrent
eternal escarp
(i had a feeling this was going to be the reason )
tawny garden
i assume the boss summon sprite is also getting changed...?
(I'd assume so yeah)
hollow shell
It is definitely getting redone yeah
We're considering changing the summoning method entirely
cuz it's uhh, boring, currently
earnest cape
ah alright
loud torrent
oh I see.thx for warning
tawny garden
Nice
hollow shell
Alright
Same as before, it prolly could be elaborated on a bit more, but it's okay as is
shell drift
who needs elaboration, just interpret it as you wish
hollow shell
Well, the more reason you give for why your sugg should be implemented, the more reason people will have to upvote it
hollow shell
Yeee this is better
shell drift
😄
crystal iron
what weapons suffer from i-frames anyway. rogue weapons i mean
shell drift
weapons that spawn projectiles as they spawn
crystal iron
ah
crystal iron
maybe you could include some examples in your sugg, idk tho
hollow shell
Looks fine
cept, "Some weapons+" ?
loud torrent
hollow shell
(wrong channel?)
tawny garden
Looks fine
cept, "Some weapons+" ?
That looks like smth that was leftover when they were rewriting the sugg
shell drift
Looks fine
cept, "Some weapons+" ?
thats for the profaned soul crystal
which makes your ranged weapons into flames
that iirc peirce
aka i-frame pain
hollow shell
I'm talking about the formatting
Looks redundant
hollow shell
Cuz you say
"Some weapons+
some of these weapons include,"
shell drift
yea I did a oops
tawny garden
I'm slow at typing
hollow shell
(btw Syluxy if you're writing up a big item description right now with that scythe in mind, read the pins first. There's a document telling you what is and isn't allowed to be suggested, and I have a feeling you're about to post a Specific Item Suggestion)
shell drift
I edit
shell drift
🎉
tawny garden
unrelated:
I was thinking on suggesting that people get react perms in #wiki-lookup purely so people can react with 🗑️
(Even tho I realize that people don't really need to do that often)
Does that have any chance of success?
hollow shell
What does that reaction do?
shell drift
delete the post maybe?
hollow shell
Ah
shell drift
ah
tawny garden
Yeah
hollow shell
I don't think there's much need
That channel is a dumping ground anyway, it doesn't matter if it's flooded
tawny garden
aight
red stormBOT
https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Drunk_Princess
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page random is silly for a direct link or !wiki search random is silly for a list of all hits.
shell drift
oop
hollow shell
heh
shell drift
it works here lmao
tawny garden
Fun fact, this server uses the bot more than any other server
hollow shell
Interesting
shell drift
the terraria server doesn't have a spam channel
hollow shell
Well, this is a big server and it's unrestricted to users in a public channel
So I would expect that
shell drift
and calamitymod has about a bazillion things you need the wiki for
hollow shell
It is interesting that Terraria Discord doesn't have more activity
cuz it does have the bot-commands channel
shell drift
I can get basically every item in vanilla without the wiki
hollow shell
and that's a much bigger server
shell drift
I can get basically every item in vanilla without the wiki
I can get like 3 items in calamity without a wiki
shell drift
It *is* interesting that Terraria Discord doesn't have more activity
the #help channel is quite active
hollow shell
Hmyeah it is possible that Calamity requires the wiki more
cuz it's newer (relatively), more frequently updated, and less well-known
shell drift
I guess they just don't use the bots much
cause most people don't know how to look things up
rocky needle
Vanilla Terraria is fairly cut and dry I guess, most people either know what they're doing or can figure it out by playing
shell drift
And instead ask a Google-able question in #help
tawny garden
(might also be the case that stuff is more obscure in calamity)
shell drift
Vanilla Terraria is fairly cut and dry I guess, most people either know what the...
that too
distant gyro
does that even work
shell drift
(might also be the case that stuff is more obscure in calamity)
auricular tesla bar recepie go brrrr
shell drift
~~does that even work~~
People ask easy questions all the time, its very annoying
Especially if your trying help someone with an actual issue
tawny garden
Help, how do I create a character
distant gyro
referring to wastebucket
tawny garden
Ah
It works only if the person who requested the bot reacts with it
And only within the first minute or smth like that
gray nebula
uhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhh about that suggestion uhhh
it seems fine (the flamsteed one), adding some visual impact to it landing on the ground could make it feel more like a big robot thing yeah I guess, it dealing damage could also be there although like. not exactly something necessary I feel
hollow shell
@umbral pendant
I'll un-exclam it cuz it's an overall approval, just gotta remove that bit about the damage though right?
Purely visual
Maybe even use the Aureus stomp sound effect when you land, too
gray nebula
I mean, it's a suggestion, and if people were to go "yeah some insignificant amount of damage just because its an impact" I wouldn't be against it either
as long as the new meta isn't to like flatten bosses
cobalt pewter
Change meta to flatten bosses
muted osprey
that's the first time I've seen a sugg been un ❗
cobalt pewter
:eggcat:
muted osprey
kill boss with big robot smash
tawny garden
Change meta to flatten bosses
No.
earnest cape
terraria: bonk playthrough episode 1
tawny garden
that's the first time I've seen a sugg been un ❗
It has happened before
muted osprey
rejected
tawny garden
Noo but my funny boss flattening
Cry about it
mossy vapor
e
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell quick q on reposting suggs about dedicated items, would I need to ask the person dedicated to the item when reposting the same sugg it was approved before?
tawny garden
They already gave consent to that specific idea
hollow shell
Probably not, if the sugg is about the same as it was before
tawny garden
So no
cobalt pewter
Might repost the Time Bolt one then
It didn't even reach 100 last time I checked
mossy vapor
I really hope my suggestion gets accepted
tawny garden
terraria: bonk playthrough episode 1
Bonk. James Bonk.
mossy vapor
only like 40 votes to go
cobalt pewter
But not that far of an improvement ig
mossy vapor
but its so far up in the channel now :<
tawny garden
It's something lol
mossy vapor
if people find it then it will be a miracle
earnest cape
~~Bonk. James Bonk.~~
mmyes
muted osprey
funni repost
earnest cape
so aka stealth rework? stealth is already reworked and pretty good next update from what I heard
crystal iron
oh never heard about that
cobalt pewter
Reading the thing rn
earnest cape
256 - Changed how stealth boosts rogue damage to a formula rather than a flat boost. Full stealth no longer provides a bigger boost. The formula uses the weapon's base damage and use time as well as the time it takes to build up stealth. Taking longer to build up stealth (less stealth regen) boosts stealth damage. This allows for more diverse rogue playstyles rather than forcing stealth builds to spec into wearing 2 sheaths, 3 mirrors and all Silent accessories. - Done
nvm
muted osprey
funni stealth haha
cobalt pewter
imo this makes stealth way too forgiving, especially with the new Stealth for 1.5
I can just mindlessly spam until I hit something
The thing with stealth imo is that it rewards precision (unless the weapon is homing, in which case lol)
earnest cape
so yeet sugg yes/no
crystal iron
it isnt really that hard to hiot tho, a lot of stealth strikes are either hiiming or create more projectiles
earnest cape
well you can't really complain much since it takes a lot to make an interesting and unique stealth strike
cobalt pewter
I would love if stealth strikes are defaulted to no homing
crystal iron
actually ill reword the sugg a bit give me a sec
cobalt pewter
But yeh, reworking stealth strikes takes work atm
crystal iron
i totally see you pount about mindlesly spamming
cobalt pewter
What
You only need to throw Valediction in the general direction of the damned worm
What's suffering about it
earnest cape
yeah since it has homing
cobalt pewter
There's this thing called lining DoG up diagonally to make a lot of hits with non homing weapons
earnest cape
cobalt pewter
Just relying on vale SS won't cut it
earnest cape
¯_(ツ)_/¯
crystal iron
pressed enter too early
cobalt pewter
Also with "Stealth not worth it on most weapons", the math is already done and 1.5 is fixing that
crystal iron
oh right
earnest cape
yeah honestly hold off on stealth suggestions since it's changed next update
and from what I saw in piky's testing streams it's sexy
cobalt pewter
Indeed
crystal iron
ye was gonna do that
grim tusk
Also with "Stealth not worth it on most weapons", the math is already done and 1...
With the weapons its worth its epic gaming
I feel like stealth it def at its strongest at darksun
cobalt pewter
Mhm
shell drift
stealth would be better if it charged while not attacking instead of not moving
earnest cape
...it charges while moving too
tawny garden
earnest cape
it always charges as long as you have a rogue armor set and isn't attacking
shell drift
hmmmmmmmmmmm
shell drift
aha, it does gain while moving, but it gains much faster while standing still.
3 seconds standing still or 9 seconds of moving
sleek turret
yeah
cobalt pewter
Moving regen is generally a third of standing regen until boosts to either type of regen is applied
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message (close)
2 of these reached 200 stars
grim tusk
👍
i was wondering, suggesting to add more types of x weapon counts as a SIS right?
like more rogue sythes for example
or the extremely common add a sentry post-DoG
tawny garden
I've got no idea
tawny garden
frail mantle
nah that wouldn't be SIS
tawny garden
Any suggestions involving making a specific subclass (weapon type) more viable at certain point(s) in the game.
grim tusk
not SIS but still not allowed
tawny garden
(ah crap, I read "SIS" but interpreted it as "don't" )
frail mantle
well there's a difference between "add more of x type of weapon in y tier because a run using only x type of weapon is hard/impossible at this tier" and "add more of x type of weapon in y tier because y tier doesn't have many weapons for the class and it would provide more variety"
grim tusk
yea but its kind of the same thing, just that the second has actual reasonable arguments
tawny garden
I've still got no idea if this means that all "add subclass weapons" suggs are a no or just those that want viability at a point in progression
grim tusk
i think they are a no (at least the sentries ones)
safe oasis
ask rover
tawny garden
though my opinion is that it's the latter
grim tusk
Add more rogue weapons that give stealth upon hitting
Weapons like Sylvian Slasher and Final dawn have a unique and unexplored concept of regaining stealth upon hitting a target. Adding weapons that do that could add more variety to rogue's small arsenal and open new playstyles and even improve areas where it could be falling behind (specially stealth oriented rogue). It would also add more variety if they also got a stealth strike to add even more variety
how does this look?
fossil finch
good
shell drift
add more line breaks / paragraphs
grim tusk
why would it need that
fossil finch
long suggestion != good
It is not confusing at all
it is literally 3 sentences long
shell drift
it would be the same length
fossil finch
it doesn't need line breaks
grim tusk
if it was as long as that Relic of deliverance change/rework that i suggested it could maybe use breaks
but its too small
fossil finch
if you need line breaks to easily read something you need to work on your reading tbh
shell drift
im not talking about me
fossil finch
because it is literally 3 sentences long
and they are redacted in a good way
shell drift
line breaks make people pay more attention to the words your sayin
grim tusk
if it was like 10 sentences maybe it could be split into paragraphs
grim tusk
but like its 3 goddamn sentences
fossil finch
it has one
shell drift
yeah but they arent very seperate
fossil finch
what
sleek turret
uhh
fossil finch
the two latter sentences are dedicated entirely to explain why
sleek turret
the actual reason why people get atracted to suggestions is the title
grim tusk
Adding weapons that do that could add more variety to rogue's small arsenal and open new playstyles and even improve areas where it could be falling behind (specially stealth oriented rogue). It would also add more variety if they also got a stealth strike to add even more variety
shell drift
title
reason. suggestion.
vs
title
reason.
suggestion.
its ezier to read and understand if they be seperate
grim tusk
the actual reason why people get atracted to suggestions is the title
and thats the part the devs take into account when they vote
safe oasis
that's just bloating it tbh
fossil finch
(((adding stuff is good on the calamainer eye is good so biscuit WILL get votes)))
what psychic said
shell drift
that's just bloating it tbh
its adding 1 line breh
grim tusk
title
reason. suggestion.
vs
title
reason.
suggestion.
this is just bad for a small suggestion
if it was longer maybe
but 3 sentences hell no
fossil finch
if people are having trouble reading/understanding a 3 sentence long thingy why even suggest on the first place
the whole world is collapsing
sleek turret
(((adding stuff is good on the calamainer eye is good so biscuit WILL get votes)...
reminders me when Feedzuh suggested nerfing Menacing modifier just for 1% and it was dead in the instant.
safe oasis
this argument makes more sense when you look at the guy's suggestions tbh
like every sentence is separated
shell drift
i think it would be better with a line break inbeetween the reason and the suggestion
fossil finch
they are abnormally big and the jumps between sentences make me feel a little bit retarded with those sudden stops
tawny garden
(this isn't going anywhere, chaps)
grim tusk
Give Relic of Deliverance some adjustments
This item allows you to traverse the world in 2 click (or 2/3 for large worlds), you can click to change direction 3 times (4th cancels the spear after a while), on paper this sounds good for traveling and avoiding projectiles during boss fights (namely Providence) until you realize: bumping into a wall cancels it, needs to be clicked to change direction, cannot be canceled quickly and its better to just use burden breaker for traveling purposes.
Making it always aim towards the cursor
This will make it easier to maneuver around tighter areas and make it more useful during combat similarly to the other relics as well as useful for traversing the world and being able to maneuver around a build, mountain or even enemies while using it to travel, something that will differentiate it from burden breaker.
Making it so that it can be canceled easier
Making it you having to hold click with the item to be moving and releasing the mouse or swapping to another item will make it trigger the fading/ending of the spear will similarly help. This would make it a good alternative to burden breaker by making it not miss the point you want to go to by overshooting the place by a lot. To add to this it will also make it less awkward for combat and more usable during boss fights like Dragonfolly and DoG.
Making it have more linear acceleration rather than instant, also maybe increase its top speed when outside of boss fights
This would make it so that you cannot just gain an instant burst of speed during boss fights and prevent cheesing or gaining an unfair advantage, maybe making it require 7-15 seconds of using the item to gain acceleration would make it both usable in combat without being the terror that was pre-nerf bumbledoge or unicorn and extremely useful for traveling long distances
This is where you need line breaks
tawny garden
holy shit
sleek turret
yep
fossil finch
fun fact: it has them
tawny garden
copypasta
fossil finch
point is:
no a 3 line sugg does not need line breaks
fading silo
the actual reason why people get atracted to suggestions is the title
Like fixing boneless aquatic scourge in death mode lol.
fossil finch
suddenly feel we had this argument already
fading silo
I still need to suggest it
grim tusk
suddenly feel we had this argument already
everything likes to repeat itself
tawny garden
"I see you driving 'round town
With the girl I love and I'm like,
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo"
earnest cape
umbral pendant
I'll un-exclam it cuz it's an overall approval, just gotta remove that bit about...
I edited it to "minimal or no damage"
cobalt pewter
More true melee, instant stealth filling stuff
Stealth rogue becomes true melee now
grim tusk
final dawn Sylvian slasher
grim tusk
More true melee, instant stealth filling stuff
Stealth rogue becomes true melee...
Also not instant ~~not even final dawn + locket does that ~~
violet sierra
before i post another suggestion i want to make sure im not being stupid
is the wiki wrong and the music boxes are craftable, or are they intentionally unobtainable and wont be made obtainable ever
Or is it some kind of limitation
cuz idk it feels lkind of silly that only 3 music boxes are craftable
shell drift
uh
tawny garden
You make music boxes by recording music
violet sierra
what?
shell drift
look at vanilla wiki
tawny garden
[[tgc:Music Box]]
red stormBOT
violet sierra
huh
shell drift
it has a chance to become the music box for whatever song is currently playing
violet sierra
i never knew about that
tawny garden
Yeah
violet sierra
look to be fair to me
shell drift
dam u noob
violet sierra
thatzs very obscure
shell drift
it makes sense i guess
tawny garden
It is
shell drift
its really damn annoying tho
violet sierra
yeah could we not just make them all craftable
shell drift
adding recipees for the music boxes would be a good suggestion
shell drift
having them be craftable would be cool
tawny garden
It invalidates a mechanic
violet sierra
isnt it kinda shitty tho?
shell drift
yeah
tawny garden
Isn't it like
10 minutes at most
shell drift
no
tawny garden
hm
shell drift
it has taken me upwards of 30 minutes to record a single song
violet sierra
I didnt know normal music boxes existed
shell drift
multiply that by all the different songs (in just vanilla)
it took me like 6hrs to get all the music boxes
massive pita
tawny garden
I think it would be better if you improve the mechanic
analog talon
it has taken me upwards of 30 minutes to record a single song
you have your music volume on 0
vital condor
to be fair
tawny garden
Like setting a time limit
Or increasing the chances
analog talon
then your just really unlucky
vital condor
music box improvements came in vanilla 1.4
tawny garden
Then just outright removing it
shell drift
itd be better if they were useable
and they just recorded the current song when you used them
vital condor
so when that eventually hits modded terraria it'll all be fixed
vital condor
They were literally made 20x faster in 1.4
and it took me maybe 5h to get all calamity music boxes except SCal
so I still think you were doing something wrong
tawny garden
Or just unlucky
violet sierra
its rng