#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
hot zephyr
Isn't Providence tier just as bloated as late-HM, though?
whole sedge
Kind of but not really
sand umbra
well...yes, but actually no?
whole sedge
Getting rid of the too many different things that pointlessly drop bloodstone and get buffed and instead having it be ravvie would cut down on that bloatiness a lot really
sand umbra
I think I've explained this at length but tl;dr kinda in terms of boss fighting but not at all in terms of literally anything else
(this applies to a lot of the Cal post-ML segment, really, but that's not the point here so /shrug)
hot zephyr
tbf I haven't seen you talk about this in the past
sand umbra
lies and deceit I've spoken on this twenty fucking times in this exact channel
hot zephyr
And I sure haven't been there!
sand umbra
bruh moment
hot zephyr
And if I have, I sure don't remember!
crude geode
I'm curious as to your thoughts on the early hm changes Thomas.
sand umbra
I'll speak on those some other time and probably some other place
this is me going on a tangent about Ravager not me going on a tangent about early HM changes
crude geode
Understandable.
hot zephyr
Valid suggestion, but I disagree with it
sand umbra
I agree with it primarily because this is the exact thing I tried pitching before (but nobody wanted it to happen)
I'm thoroughly convinced that the reasoning falls into one or more of two categories:
- the spot around Provi already has so many fucking boss fights in it as it is that moving another one to that point intended would make it too boss-heavy even for Cal's notoriously boss-rush-y post-ML progression scheme
and
b) people don't want to lose their precious Life Alloy mats/Core megafarm
hot zephyr
I lean more into A.
sand umbra
that's valid
hot zephyr
I think it'd be better if almost.... Ravager's fight was "remixed" in the progression than just being "harder"
sand umbra
I do think Ravager needs to be either moved or significantly reworked regardless in order to stand out
hot zephyr
Ravager works good in HM imo.
sand umbra
considering it's currently right next to the boss it is rather clearly derivative of in progression which makes it very awkward in terms of proper placement
hot zephyr
Gives good enough loot, and has a good reason to fight the boss rn.
You could say something similar about clone and twins, but eh.
crude geode
Gives good enough loot, and has a good reason to fight the boss rn.
Except for funny LC Pillars 
hot zephyr
It's a problem for another day.
sand umbra
mhm
whole sedge
I mean yeah rav gives incentive to fight him with good weapons but at the same time they have to compete with stuff like Duke Fishron et cetera but 
hot zephyr
and also, pillar skip meme is like... extremely known and is bound to be changed Soon™️.
sand umbra
oh yeah, how good are Rav drops on Looney Tunes
does he just die instantly or does he actually take more than 10 seconds
hot zephyr
Rav drops are good
crude geode
Asking how good a certain bosses' drops are is kinda redundant considering the Grand Rebalancing™️
hot zephyr
I'd argue for Rav's current spot just because as a boss it has a reason to be fought in the intended progression point and It has accessories that are pretty impactful.
crude geode
You mean Flesh Totem and Funny Get Crit accessory? Also any boss with weapons has a reason to be fought in the intended progression point. Ravager is just fought more because of funny material bar farm.
hot zephyr
also like, it'd kill Blood Pact's like... one useful spot in the game ... against Providence.
since stars can't crit (iirc)
sand umbra
stars are negative healing
agile bolt
Dude blood pact is one of my top tier accesories in the game :D
sand umbra
I can't actually remember if Blood Pact can be proc'd by stars or not
potent ferry
if we're moving ravager to post-provi
sand umbra
but I want to remind you that Blood Pact's most significant benefits now come from getting critically struck
cobalt pewter
I can't actually remember if Blood Pact can be proc'd by stars or not
The crit Isn't
potent ferry
theres gonna be 6 bosses between provi and DoG
sand umbra
figured
potent ferry
sand umbra
since stars are negative healing, there's no damage being dealt
sand umbra
which means it's not even eligible for a crit to begin with
so that's one of Provi's most common attacks able to completely invalidate the majority of Blood Pact's actual effect
cobalt pewter
Despite the fact that the lack of crit makes the hp boost a pure advantage vs stars due to the additional hits you can take
sand umbra
except Blood Pact crits are actually able to help you
given that you get a shitload of bonuses on being crit including a buff to healing potion effectiveness
an attack that is unable to crit is unable to proc those effects
tangentially related: Flesh Totem is good until you realize nothing you're about to fight has contact damage that's used sparingly enough for it to matter at the current point in progression you get it
hot zephyr
if you do Rav before PBG.
sand umbra
if you do Rav before PBG it's because you want Spikecrag so you can stop having to fight PBG
hot zephyr
moving rav to Providence means the only useful time for the accessory is Yharon.
warm scarab
@crude geode keep in mind that removing bloodstone from crags will make the biome even more useless
also
he drop accessories
sand umbra
...a point in the game where several progression-necessary bosses in a row possess no contact damage
compared to a point in the game where everything and its dog has contact damage and uses it liberally through their fights
is more useful for an accessory whose sole purpose is to fuck contact damage
warm scarab
which are rarely used
sand umbra
sounds legit
warm scarab
agile bolt
Dont do that, i always bring crags to the surface and i farm bloodstone from the enemies there if i forgot to farm ravager before killing provi
crude geode
Bloodstone is barely related to Crags, and has no real reason to be buffed post provi.
crude geode
Additionally, one drop =/= a good biome
agile bolt
i bring crags to surface since it's the fastest artificial biome to make. It only requires 50 blocks
crude geode
Actual complexity and multitude of things to do make a good biome, see the abyss and sunken sea
sand umbra
Crags are already sorely due for an overhaul. I seriously doubt removing Bloodstone will make a difference
that's the long and short of it
anywho, Ravager-related fun fact that I completely forgot was even a thing:
its sole Expert drop --- the Bloodflare Core --- only drops after Provi is dead
(although on a tangentially-related note I should probably investigate potential Bloodflare Core changes given the upcoming defense damage system does exactly what Bloodflare Core does but just in general)
earnest cape
@ashen warren make proper reasoning
earnest cape
read the pins
ashen warren
a throwing knife
gusty jolt
Yeah plomiens got a point
earnest cape
Next update all knives are melee.
Yes that means empyrean knives are melee next update(or at least I'm pretty sure)
to be consistent with vanilla as vampire knives are also melee
gusty jolt
Not sure what that is, but empyrean sounds cool
tawny garden
If anything, this game needs less melee weapons
ashen warren
nvm i missed a suggestion dont
earnest cape
well yeah but
ashen warren
but even so like, it makes no sense for these weapons to be melee
earnest cape
then tell vanilla that
tawny garden
Make Vampire Knives Rogue
gusty jolt
Well there is no thrower class in vanilla
distant gyro
most melee weapons make no sense to be melee
gusty jolt
Not anymore 
cobalt pewter
Isn't it a don't?
tawny garden
distant gyro
they fit right in
cobalt pewter
Making vanilla stuff rogue?
tawny garden
It's a don't ye
earnest cape
yeet the sugg
tawny garden
Remove it
tawny garden
how to start ww3
Perfect job for me
earnest cape
muted osprey
fossil finch
AtTho
fossil finch
M
tawny garden
uhh
brazen pier
Ye seems alright to me
brittle nexus
Very late but uh
The eidolon wyrm one
They will be killable next update
Very killable
(95% dr and less defense too)
frozen hornet
Don't they already drop halimeme cannon?
safe oasis
however, the one that give the damage buff is empyrean rage instead of empyrean wrath according to holy wrath and profaned rage/ wrath and rage logic, and since they say nothing about the stat buffs in their tooltip new players may confuse them
run-on
completely lost me within the first 2 words
cobalt pewter
Better solution: rework Empyrean armor 
The set bonus isn't as good as other pillar armors tbh
frozen hornet
What kinda-
cobalt pewter
@chilly spindle it already will be
wooden quartz
did suggest bot just get annihilated or is that just me?
all of its posts only have the reactions
please tell me that's just me
tawny garden
huh?
robust lava
It looks fine to me
earnest cape
nothing for me either
wooden quartz
That's a relief
guess my discord is broken or something
This is what I see right now, for every post using that special text format thing.
earnest cape
wtf
wooden quartz
that was my reaction
languid quartz
was scrolling up and noticed this had over 200 #suggestions-voting message
so whenever someone's around they should send it
#suggestions-voting message oh there's another 
wooden quartz
Bronze the hero
languid quartz
dude scrolling up gets depressing fast
you just see all the ones that almost made it
tawny garden
-Please do not advertise your suggestion or complain about its star amount, these channels are meant to gauge public reaction passively. Feel free to repost in a weeks time if you feel timing was the issue.
Smh
Bronze
languid quartz
earnest cape
smh my head bronze
wooden quartz
How'd your embeds dissapear all of a sudden
Apparently that setting that says show website preview info means all embeds, and also somehow got unchecked 
tawny garden
earnest cape
moment
zenith hazel
you don't have to make a scene
languid quartz
sorry if I did, I was just pointing out some 200 star ones that hadn't been sent yet
zenith hazel
just ping someone like me, demik, chetto, or rover, whichever of us is online and move on with your day
languid quartz
ashen warren
pog, as they say in the industry; i have reached 202 votes :)
languid quartz
terse sundial
Only the bot can post in that channel now, including posting reactions
You can still click on the reaction right?
distant gyro
I get crossfired by Demik and Chetto with mod perms and Brav with dev perms
zenith hazel
oh right, that means no manual posting into voting when the bot goes down anymore
but it's no big loss
terse sundial
manual posting in that channel crashed the bot according to Amber
zenith hazel
true
terse sundial
@distant gyro you have react perms again
distant gyro
nice
hollow shell
Oh I didn't know that crashed it
So, all overdue reposts in #suggestions-posting must now be resolved by waiting for the bot to come back online?
(that's fine if so. Hopefully it'll be more stable without the manual reposts potentially messing with it)
earnest cape
congrats on being able to react with feelschungus
tawny garden
jaja
pine star
:jaja:
wooden quartz
How do I suggest adding drunk bee hives to normal generation?
wooden quartz
actually, I'm coming up with a decent reason.
dapper coral
@cosmic musk even if it weren't asking for JE material, you're relying on calamity 1.5 changes as the basis for your sugg, which is a don't
wooden quartz
@cosmic musk The suggestion still holds if you remove the 1.5 and JE stuff, and just ask for larger Mushroom biomes. Setting up an arena that doesn't frequently leave them is hard.
Especially with unlucky generation
dapper coral
ye
you can still ask for better gen, but don't mention JE/1.5
also why double ping lole
wooden quartz
cause I was worried they'd already saw your ping and weren't going to come back
cosmic musk
Well I mean it's entirely dependant on the fact that you can't leave the biome anymore lmfao
Like yeah better generation is nice but it's the 1.5 change that is the entire force behind why I posted it it's definitely pretty important
wooden quartz
Going to the surface also enrages
wooden quartz
That's still an enrage
cosmic musk
Yes but the enrage is barely noticable with all the room you have
I have always just recalled out and lured him up to the surface because it's a lot more organic and you have way more space
It's an issue regardless tho
hollow shell
Aight yeah Crab enrages on the surface and out of biome in the current release
But, you don't need to frame your suggestion around vanilla 1.4's glowing mushroom gen
Nor the recall change in Calamity 1.5
cosmic musk
reason why i put that is because the code already exists you wouldn't have to write anything new
its whatever anyway. i'll edit it and repost it when the bot is up and it'll actually mean something
hollow shell
Alright
hollow shell
The suggestion will be solved in time, whenever tMod 1.4 happens
(there's semi-working prototypes atm, hopefully not too much longer)
cosmic musk
see this is why i said to put the JE generation specifically
because why the hell would i want the devs to waste time writing new code when it'll just get thrown out soon
tawny garden
wait wdym "bot down"
wooden quartz
Looks down to me
wooden quartz
wait no I'm dumb maybe
cosmic musk
I read earlier that it was down
wooden quartz
Cursed's suggestion hasn't hit 24 hours right?
earnest cape
nah i just forgot it needs 24 hours to send suggs to voting
hollow shell
I don't remember what our policy was on porting over 1.4 content into Calamity for now
I don't think there's a Don't about it
earnest cape
thats why I thought it was down
cosmic musk
but anyway yeah i understand why y'all are afraid of blanket "oh god it mentions JE bad bad" but this one's pretty specific and makes sense
hollow shell
I think they all just got shut down by the people here
tawny garden
I don't remember what our policy was on porting over 1.4 content into Calamity f...
future content
hollow shell
But it's not about changing something in 1.4
dapper coral
it's still future content imo
tawny garden
at least I told everyone that it was
dapper coral
because it's based on something that is going to happen anyways
tawny garden
and people seemed to listen
hollow shell
An invalid suggestion would be "When Calamity gets ported to Journey's End, make the Mushroom biomes as small as they are in 1.3" or something
cosmic musk
this is true, but who knows how long that'll take
earnest cape
eventually™️
cosmic musk
should be Soon™ hopefully
And I mention the mirror/recall change because again it's the whole reason it's suddenly a big deal to me
lol
tawny garden
An invalid suggestion would be "When Calamity gets ported to Journey's End, make...
m
dapper coral
(also can mods even get 1.4 code atm)
cosmic musk
Like I would always deal with the surface enrage but that's not even an option anymore (good luck getting out of there by walking)
hollow shell
(yes they can)
cosmic musk
I asked about it in the patreon discord and I was told by multiple people it wouldn't be difficult
tawny garden
(also can mods even get 1.4 code atm)
beta exists
cosmic musk
So yes I even checked before posting it lol
since ik future content is a touchy thing in suggestions
tawny garden
some mods have been ported over already, even
hollow shell
The issue with that Shayy is that definitely is a future content sugg
tawny garden
it is still very much under development
hollow shell
if your sugg's reasoning is based on something in #changelogs
cosmic musk
well i mean it would still help current patch calamity either way
just that 1.5 removes my normal way around it
having mushroom biome gen actually be good helps any patch
cosmic musk
I'm not sure I totally agree with that in all instances
For like weapon balance stuff yeah because I can't actually play with new stuff yet so I have no idea what that's all like
tawny garden
well, you can't really experience new worldgen either
cosmic musk
Like I recall making a suggestion a long time ago regarding the background in the provi and cryogen fights and that was already in the works in the next update
tawny garden
or any new features
cosmic musk
all i know right now is underground mushroom gen in 1.3 sucks
and it sucks to terraform it in prehm to have a crabulon arena
which is an issue in current patch calamity. it's just accelerated by the fact that a workaround is being removed and also that the code for generation that would be better literally already exists
hollow shell
Part of it is that we may resolve the issue before the update releases, making the sugg redundant
earnest cape
if you really want to just grab cheatsheet paint tool
hollow shell
I understand what you are saying, though
cosmic musk
I really dislike being told to use cheatsheet I feel like using a "cheat" mod as a workaround is just kinda missing the point
earnest cape
Part of it is that we may resolve the issue before the update releases, making t...
tfw it'll probably be instant 🏁
cosmic musk
But yeah you're right in that it'll be in the mod eventually either way :P
I suppose I could also edit in a personal suggestion of having the crags having a higher roof than the surrounding area so I can actually fight brimmy without spending like 20 minutes just mining ash blocks 
which kinda goes hand in hand because it's generation related and specifically related to that area's boss in both cases
hollow shell
That would work as its own suggestion, yeah
(We don't have any crag gen changes planned for this update)
cosmic musk
good to know
it's something that's bothered me ever since brimmy got reworked like 2 years ago now, feels almost mandatory to delete the ceiling and doing that with all the damn enemies around is a pain if you didn't find onyx drill
potent ferry
i just skipped brimmy
pastel quest
city buster ftw
safe oasis
or just like
don’t?
why is this needed @burnt bough
i don’t see like any use for it other than new people spamming there with caps lock constantly on
safe oasis
that’s not a very good use
burnt bough
would be entertaining tho
dapper coral
not for the mods :)
heady storm
Yeah an official venting channel would just not work here.
heady storm
Precisely, not fun for anyone.
If you need to yell, please do so in a different server.
safe oasis
alternatively: don’t yell at all and handle your emotions like a normal person
whole sedge
Yeah this is just kind of.. flawed
radiant meadow
I would like to note that the mod team would most certainly downvote this 18-0
chilly spindle
an early game armor set for mage, summoner and melee
just like how rogue and ranger have their own sets
ashen finch
an early game armor set for mage, summoner and melee
just like how rogue and ran...
Gem Robes + wizard hat, legit point there for summoner, and ore armor
safe oasis
mage already has 3
chilly spindle
??
ashen finch
I think he means pre-boss
safe oasis
those are all pre boss
ashen finch
TECHNICALLY
chilly spindle
meteor isn't
safe oasis
it is
ashen finch
well, technically it is
safe oasis
literally break one orb
ashen finch
but only by technicality
safe oasis
how is it not
chilly spindle
ohhh
ashen finch
he means like Desert Strider and Snow Ruffian
chilly spindle
he means like Desert Strider and Snow Ruffian
yeah
ashen finch
stuff that is concievable to get pre-boss and balanced for pre-boss
safe oasis
or is that 1.4
1.4
ashen finch
Like the Gem Robes + wizard hat and Ore Armors
safe oasis
..how is meteor not conceivable to get pre boss
it’s not difficult or anything
and you only need gold to mine it
chilly spindle
ok what about melee and summoner
ashen finch
..how is meteor not conceivable to get pre boss
It's not BALANCED for pre boss
ashen finch
ok what about melee and summoner
Melee has the ore armors, mainly.
safe oasis
pre boss is pre boss either way, balance is another thing
ashen finch
but yeah summoner does need something
chilly spindle
Melee has the ore armors, mainly.
yeah, thats boring
safe oasis
summoner is fine tbh
if every class gets a specific set then what’s the point of wulfrum or victide
ashen finch
Orb drops are meant to be post-EoC, so I will treat them as such
mass production or ease of material gathering
chilly spindle
if every class gets a specific set then what’s the point of wulfrum or victide
true true
crude geode
if every class gets a specific set then what’s the point of wulfrum or victide
If Rogue gets Snow Ruffian what's the point of Rogue's Wulfrum Helmet? It's to provide variety and choice.
safe oasis
there’s no real choice when one option is clearly better in every way compared to the other
and much easier to get
crude geode
Then that's a design fault with the armors itself, not with the concept of giving players choice.
hot zephyr
Wulfrum suffers not because another option exists but because it's not a meaningful upgrade for any class except Summoner and definitely not worth the time to grind.
grim tusk
#mountains-of-salt will definitely not work in a server with more than 300 people, which is nothing compared to the amount the server has; it will just be more toxicity
potent ferry
i would add a suggestion to make a separate icon for brimmy phase 3
but idk about it
safe oasis
you can suggest anything if it has good reasoning
hot zephyr
(and if it isn't a Don't, or breaks server rules)
ashen warren
How do you “accidentally” lead a dungeon guardian over to your NPCs lol
“Whoops I accidentally brought a something from across the world all the way to my base on the forest”
hollow shell
I assume recalls were involved
frozen hornet
Or he could have a base near the dungeon
dapper coral
i am confused as to what sugg this is referring to
earnest cape
@languid temple no meme suggs
languid temple
What?
hollow shell
You need to have a separate paragraph in your suggestion explaining why we should do that
languid temple
Make a gun that is a pre boss and name it a glock
hollow shell
Because?
earnest cape
Explain why
hollow shell
and yes W D Rover because of my old old history with Undertale
earnest cape
sharp prism
undertale......,.,.,/,
languid temple
Look in sug post
hollow shell
The Arms Dealer already sells the Flintlock pre-boss, doesn't he?
earnest cape
Make proper formatting, similar to hamburg's boi sugg
languid temple
Well they can change it
cobalt pewter
~~and yes W D Rover because of my old old history with Undertale~~
GasterdriveX when
earnest cape
Read the don'ts doc pinned.
hollow shell
Yeah
earnest cape
Specific item suggestions arent allowed
earnest cape
Make proper formatting and reasoning for your suggestion too
hollow shell
You gotta put much more focus on the reason why something like what you're suggesting should be added to be mod
earnest cape
Yeh
hollow shell
The purpose is the most important part
earnest cape
Yeah when flintlock exists
languid temple
Well like I said I think there should be a pre boss gun like the hand gun
earnest cape
And (i think) you can craft magnum pre boss? Not sure
languid temple
But with super I mean SUPER weak knockback
hollow shell
languid temple
Do you want me to make the damage to idk uh 5 or 6 damage and it's 50 silver so it's cheaper to get then the flintlock pistol
earnest cape
YEP you can craft magnum pre boss although you just need to kill a boss for ammo
That's specific item suggestion
Which is a "don't"
Again, read the pinned doc
hollow shell
Yeah try not to be specific with the damage numbers and costs and stuff
You should explain in your suggestion why the Flintlock isn't enough in terms of pre-boss gun content
languid temple
Hm how about "weak damage but cheap"
earnest cape
Thinkies
cobalt pewter
So the purpose is giving a cheaper preboss alternative for a gun?
to be fair you can just bonk a Shadow Orb for musket
earnest cape
Ngl 5 gold is extremely cheap
cobalt pewter
or hell, Crimson Heart for Undertaker
earnest cape
And you can immediatel- yeah feed
cobalt pewter
And it's not like you'd need a boss to break those
languid temple
Think about it a cheap weapon like the "glock" will be for people that wants to save up for the mini shark
cobalt pewter
Thing is
languid temple
So you don't have to spend so much gold if you have 30 gold!
cobalt pewter
Breaking any those items I mentioned basically gave you access to
shrewd furnace
the musket,undertaker and flintlock pistol already exist
cobalt pewter
The weapons
cobalt pewter
Though suggesting a Flintlock Pistol discount can be nice iirc
still zodiac
It sounds more like you just want a glock in Terraria ngl tbh
eternal escarp
theres alot of pre-boss guns in terraria and calamity already tbf
still zodiac
Which is fair enough ig, but handgun exists
hollow shell
True, I forgot all about Marnite Bayonet
cobalt pewter
Marnite Bayonet is funny
still zodiac
~~Pumpler could count too, if its halloween~~
Herb fish or whatever they're called
They contain pumpkin seeds :)
languid temple
Look I think the "glock" will be crafted or found in the world can just be like 2 damage idk I just want rangers just to have a gun so a arms dealer can spawn easy or a way to defend themselves with the second amendment
still zodiac
I mean
eternal escarp
but why should there be a glock when theres already alot of options?
still zodiac
Doesn't the starter bag give you a bunch of bombs?
eternal escarp
it does, 10 bombs iirc
still zodiac
You can just Rush to corruption/crimson
cobalt pewter
Mhm
hollow shell
This is Marnite Bayonet's recipe btw, for reference
still zodiac
It's a viable strat
earnest cape
"Why should it exist" start by answering this slimeybox
still zodiac
This is Marnite Bayonet's recipe btw, for reference
This tbf
languid temple
K
hollow shell
Well Slimey's response to that is
More options for pre-boss gunslingers
eternal escarp
This is Marnite Bayonet's recipe btw, for reference
yeah, stupid cheap for a really great underlooked weapon tbf
hollow shell
But
Our counterargument is that there are already options
languid temple
Explain "quite a few" please
eternal escarp
lemme just count
still zodiac
We already did
earnest cape
at least not as many as broadswords
eternal escarp
Flintlock pistol
Marnite Bayonet
Musket / Undertaker
Opal Striker (technically is a gun)
still zodiac
~~at least not as many as broadswords~~ <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
Half of them aren't even used so it doesn't count
hollow shell
Yeah what Blast said
eternal escarp
id say this is quite a few guns for pre-boss
hollow shell
Technically Pumpler and Minishark too but they're more expensive
eternal escarp
ye
earnest cape
Opal striker can carry you to skelly iirc
still zodiac
Would be better adressing other parts of the game where Guns are lacking, I guess?
eternal escarp
~~and halibutt ~~
languid temple
And you have to, make, bomb to get it, and use 5 gold
cobalt pewter
Would be better addressing other parts of the game where non-ranged weapons are lacking, I guess?
still zodiac
But even then Post-ML is getting rebalanced so you only have HM left
languid temple
You can find it or craft it
still zodiac
And I think HM gunslinger is fine?
hollow shell
Oh right there's the Boomstick too
hollow shell
And the Revolver from the Travelling Merchant
earnest cape
Right
hollow shell
(although that's more expensive than the Flintlock)
still zodiac
Byeah I think adressing other parts of the game would be better
eternal escarp
well revolver is rare af and expensive byeah
languid temple
And you have too fight through enemies and wait for an npc
eternal escarp
i mean
hollow shell
Indeed, pre-boss Jungle is scary
eternal escarp
i dont see an issue
still zodiac
Waiting for an npc is normal
earnest cape
That is literally early gamd
eternal escarp
thats all of early game yeah
still zodiac
Fighting through npcs is normal too
languid temple
Well yeah you got me there
eternal escarp
if you want a gun so bad, you need to work for it
earnest cape
America says otherwise
eternal escarp
ranger has a bunch of options as a whole
hollow shell
lol
languid temple
But I think getting a weapon that helps you fight enemies
still zodiac
if you want a gun so bad, you need to work for it
Exo gun 🥺
languid temple
Is great if you are new
earnest cape
But I think getting a weapon that helps you fight enemies
Starter bag gives a copper bow and 100 arrows
still zodiac
If you're new why would you go gunslinger
eternal escarp
guns are a subclass, you got to remember
rangers can use bows, flarestorm cannon, ect ect anyways until they get a gun
still zodiac
Experienced players would know how to get good weapons early
earnest cape
And making a subclass more viable is also kinda no no iirc
still zodiac
Yoyos 
earnest cape
Well a few exceptions byeah
eternal escarp
its not making it viable here, just making it more lazy tbf
earnest cape
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
eternal escarp
Byeah I think adressing other parts of the game would be better
also for this, im not sure if there is any part of the game lacking guns tbf
list is prty wide spread
(other then pre-scal ig)
eternal escarp
ye
languid temple
Let's say my friend just got pc terraria yesterday and sees me playing tmodloader and thinks "why has Slimeybox spend 245 hours in this game?", Then looks up the game on steam and gets it and then goes on Google and looks up mods for tmodloader and sees calamity and downloads it on tmod and don't know what to do and goes In a cave and sees a glock with idk uh 20 bullets he just see a weapon and uses it
eternal escarp
well
earnest cape
Continue
eternal escarp
why would you play modded
languid temple
In a chest of course
eternal escarp
if you havnt played vanilla?
earnest cape
Ye
still zodiac
Playing modded for the first time isn't a good idea tbh
eternal escarp
byeah continue
hollow shell
And do remember that Calamity gives you the Starter Bag
languid temple
Yeah
hollow shell
which comes with weapons
eternal escarp
with a bow, for rangers ye
hollow shell
So it's not like they're defenseless unless they have this glock
languid temple
But what if he hasn't played past boc and never play export or harder
eternal escarp
well
hollow shell
That's.. still fine?
eternal escarp
then agian
hollow shell
iunno why a glock would make their experience so much better than using the bow and bricks that come with every new char
eternal escarp
yeah theres still alot of gun options regardless
ye
ranger as a whole has a bunch of pre-boss options
languid temple
Yeah but we'll let's say they hasn't use a bag let and don't know what to do!
hollow shell
He's got the shortsword!
eternal escarp
well
languid temple
He spawn at night!
eternal escarp
he should play vanilla
earnest cape
Seriously though a very a good advice for your friend is don't play modded when they haven't played the base game at least until plantera
hollow shell
You can't spawn at night
languid temple
Yeah!
hollow shell
But yeah they should be playing vanilla first anyway
on Normal mode
Before trying modded
earnest cape
You will always spawn at around like 8am when starting a new world?
hollow shell
Playing a modded version of the game as your first experience with that game is not a good experience
eternal escarp
ye not exactly day start but still day
hollow shell
tis a bit chaotic
eternal escarp
in any case
hollow shell
(Unless it's like, a few QoL mods)
eternal escarp
-Ranger as a whole has a bunch of pre-boss options
-theres quite a few pre-boss guns which are easy to achieve
-player gets a starter bag anyways so they arent defensless
languid temple
Oh yeah I have a friend that hasn't got past WOF and now we are in for the Worthy master mode hard mode
earnest cape
Why.
still zodiac
That doesn't sound like a good idea
eternal escarp
ok
still zodiac
That isn't a good reason, still
eternal escarp
in that case, you should be able to get the guns already available for you
since they arent harder to get then that, thats for sure
tawny garden
Oh yeah I have a friend that hasn't got past WOF and now we are in for the Worth...
Why would you throw your friend under the bus
languid temple
I don't own a bus!
still zodiac
Just because someone plays on a harder difficulty than they should be, doesn't mean they should have an easier time
hollow shell
I don't own a bus!
(that's a great response)
tawny garden
earnest cape
languid temple
You cant fight my logic
still zodiac
If They don't have enough experience, why would they play modded 
eternal escarp
^
tawny garden
Byeah there's no point in difficulty modes if they get nerfed just for you
cosmic abyss
^
tawny garden
sorry, I interrupted a ^
eternal escarp
still zodiac
Atleast rev+ doesn't make it instantly nighttime when you use it
eternal escarp
(imagine)
still zodiac
Pre-HM cosmolight
languid temple
I can't imagine!
eternal escarp
byeah still
hollow shell
Alright this conversation is kinda going off the rails
still zodiac
Yeah
languid temple
It is!
cosmic abyss
Byeah there's no point in difficulty modes if they get nerfed just for you
^ 2 electric bogaloo
languid temple
I regret everything!
hollow shell
It's fine lol
eternal escarp
all of your past points can be argued by
-Ranger as a whole has a bunch of pre-boss options
-theres quite a few pre-boss guns which are easy to achieve
-player gets a starter bag anyways so they arent defensless
-playing modded with no prior knowledge is basically the players fault
still zodiac
It happens
tawny garden
Also, why a glock
languid temple
True^
still zodiac
Also, why a glock
Handgun exists smh
tawny garden
Exactly
earnest cape
Handgun doesnt exist
languid temple
A glock is more healthy then a handgun
earnest cape
All i know is crafting material for phoenix blaster
tawny garden
It's there in the game
hollow shell
But Slimey you can either try to rewrite your suggestion addressing some of the issues we brought up
or
You can just delete the suggestion, maybe try again another day
cosmic abyss
A better pre hm gun idea would just be DK64 coconut gun
languid temple
Right I maybe do that
cosmic abyss
(it fires in spurts)
still zodiac
Sounds unique enough
cosmic abyss
~~omw to donate <:HDfailure:482263678150770729> ~~
The item need to have:
It fires in spurts
If it shoot ya it's gonna hurt (big damage)
eternal escarp
now uh
languid temple
Eh
eternal escarp
feedzuh's sugg discussion moment
earnest cape
Shoo
tawny garden
~~omw to donate <:HDfailure:482263678150770729> ~~
Donator items don't get added for now
languid temple
K
tawny garden
Unless I'm dum
eternal escarp
#suggestions-posting message i like the idea to make Gunk Shot unique, always thought it should resemble the Pkmn move its inspired by (afaik)
eternal escarp
Donator items don't get added for now
i made a joke, ik they arent accepted anymore lol
cosmic abyss
Omw to google gunk shot the Pokémon move to understand
hollow shell
The visual effect is a big purple glob being thrown onto the enemy and splattering, right?
eternal escarp
i think it used to be a trash can? byeah
cosmic abyss
So you want to gunk shot to "shoots filthy garbage at the target to attack. It may also poison the target." ?
eternal escarp
yeah now gunk shot is just a big splotch of toxis waste of smthn
languid temple
That's funny
eternal escarp
basicakky gunk shot the weapon is just a shotgun, while the move its refrencing is not really related
other then the fact it misses sometimes ig
cosmic abyss
Imagine new gunk shot have to chance to shoot out a banana peel that stuns enemys
Because it shoots trash
languid temple
I know it already there shouldnt be a summon that is ig5
It's a bad idea
Trust me
eternal escarp
@cobalt pewter i think it would be nice if you included Gunk Shot's refrence into account, since im prty sure the weapon is somewhat refrencing this move from Pokemon https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gunk_Shot_(move)
cobalt pewter
Bad title
earnest cape
Nice link discord
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
The visual effect is a big purple glob being thrown onto the enemy and splatteri...
(yknow I think I was thinking of Sludge Bomb actually)
eternal escarp
(its actually the literal same move but just less dmg for accuracy byeah)
languid temple
I like the 4th gen
cosmic abyss
(also imagine sludge bomb being a gunk shot upgrade)
cosmic abyss
I like the 4th gen
The Pokémon fans think gen 4 remake suck because it's chibi graphics or something
hollow shell
🤷♀️
cosmic abyss
Me seeing Pokémon fans
hollow shell
Alright this is definitely off topic now
cosmic abyss
Ok I'm getting to off topic again I'll delete pic if y'all wanted to
languid temple
It's gone
glossy stone
🦀
languid temple
Crabion is good and should have a pet
still zodiac
New boss fight
eternal escarp
also wrong channel
robust lava
#calamity-update-talk is a better place to ask
eternal escarp
^
native zenith
<#711268703991365642> is a better place to ask
Meant to say it there
halcyon dagger
New boss fight
theres already 4 being added
civic path
eg
ashen warren
Omg
PET. EIDOLON. WYRM.
:HahaYes:
eternal escarp
i have a feeling #suggestions-posting will go inactive for this day because of the channel orgenization
safe oasis
thats good for whatever suggs are in voting 
though way less people are gonna check voting so
guess its neutral?
grim tusk
Yea
safe oasis
ok so uh convenient>conveniently
the last word
or not last anymore since you edited it
eternal escarp
thanks danny or whoever did it
candid dove
👍
tawny garden
yea thanks
eternal escarp
byeah sugg is cool tbh
tawny garden
been sugged multiple times, I believe
eternal escarp
really?
i thought cursed capper counterpart was suggested alot, didnt know about this
thats good to know then
eternal escarp
and a prty meh description tbf
tawny garden
this one won't be a bluecheck
safe oasis
conveniently and be
and would be would probably fit better
grim tusk
Thx
tawny garden
they might've changed their mind
grim tusk
Yea I thought the same
inner kelp
what if calamity was
safe oasis
i agree
tawny garden
grim tusk
I wonder if i could suggest an upgrade to golden gun similar to everglade spray without it being like a SIS
safe oasis
seems kinda weird for only mages to have the ultimate debuff tool
well i guess summoners have caustic staff
m
tawny garden
summoner is mage but with everlasting homing projectiles
fossil finch
Remove summoner ideal
grim tusk
Add an upgrade to Golden gun
Golden gun is an useful debuff tool for all classes (specially summoner) that is used throughout the whole game. Strangely, unlike the similar Golden Shower it never gets an upgrade that allows it the infliction of other debuffs (like cursed flames) more conveniently. Adding an upgrade will allow other classes to have an extremely reliable way to inflict debuffs to cripple their enemies.
How does this sound?
eternal escarp
i personally think it shouldnt get an upgrade
safe oasis
comma after strangely
eternal escarp
but looks fine
safe oasis
also uhh
the idea of the sugg as a whole seems kinda weird
now that i remember caustic staff exists
which is also an ultimate debuff tool but locked to summoner
grim tusk
Yea but caustic is early hm and also got nerfed to not be ultimate debuff tool
safe oasis
wait it got nerfed?
grim tusk
Yea like in 1.4.5.001 iirc
eternal escarp
i mean i personally think if every class gets an "ultimate debuffer" then its just not going to be interesting
grim tusk
!wiki caustic staff
safe oasis
oh thought you meant in 1.5
red stormBOT
safe oasis
still works fine in current though
eternal escarp
also, later on ingame litterly everything inflicts debuffs anyways
tawny garden
also, later on ingame litterly everything inflicts debuffs anyways
post-ML
grim tusk
> Yea but caustic is early hm
so is golden gun <:CompleteFailure:28043931018697...
The debuffs inflicted from the thorns must time out and cannot be refreshed before the next debuff can be applied.
Causitc has this
tawny garden
byeah
safe oasis
i mean
still works fine from my experience
useful for debuffs nonetheless
(you should at least mention caustic and how that's not good enough)
grim tusk
Well its more convenient later in the game because it wont take a minion slot (which will be more scarce next patch), debuffs would last longer and not locked into only summoner
safe oasis
no i meant like inside of the sugg
grim tusk
Im on it
tawny garden
@burnt bough that's against the rules
eternal escarp
the fact calamity is a mod doesnt mean it should yeah
tawny garden
tML ToS prohibits that
eternal escarp
you could just make a standalone mod for this tbf
safe oasis
oh right tmod tos moment
tawny garden
you can't
burnt bough
doesnt calamity already have weapons from other games like Gaels greatsword? whats the difference
safe oasis
theres a massive difference between cut content due to copyright and a reference to another game
eternal escarp
straight up adding those removed weapons are agianst the ToS
safe oasis
whats similar is the real question
tawny garden
the difference is that you're not allowed to reintroduce these specific ones
burnt bough
oh ok
eternal escarp
basically the sugg has no chance to even pass tbf
tawny garden
because they were removed due to them violating copyright laws
welp, Merk didn't allow me to rejoin with my alt, so no sugg count today ig
eternal escarp
F ig
frail mantle
why do you need your alt to do a sugg count
grim tusk
4 suggs instead of 2 perhaps
pastel terrace
Hey where’s sugg voting?
dapper coral
for now
frail mantle
actually about that balance sugg ban message
brav has stated that the "every tier is being looked over for 1.5" thing is up to change since it might be too much work for one update, so maybe just change it to disallow specifically post-ML balance suggs, and then instead mention how for pre-ML balance suggestions you can just notify the testers of whatever should be rebalanced
cobalt pewter
Still up in the air yeah whether the entire progression will be looked at
dapper coral
whether the whole game'll be looked at or not, there's no chance in hell that any balance suggs'll be considered at this moment in time, nor for the next month or two
and we still have to have a convo about whether to allow them at all after 1.5 comes out bc testers exist for that purpose too
so for now i think it can stay as is
cobalt pewter
~~and we still have to have a convo about whether to allow them at all after 1.5...
From the sound of this, the no balancing sugg rule can easily be a don't at this point
warm scarab
can you not advertise your mod in the server without permission
alr ig 
grim tusk
Advertising 
sleek turret
I like the Gunk Shot suggestion.
warm scarab
you don't risk losing too much damage by swapping for a sec
sleek turret
Gel Shotgun.
eternal escarp
cursed capper is still a ranger weapon
i wouldnt take it into account for the golden gun counterpart thing
warm scarab
ye
eternal escarp
I like the Gunk Shot suggestion.
and ye
languid temple
Alright hear me out
dusk adder
what a speech
twilit warren
Ikr
agile bolt
still hearing him out
earnest cape
@grave mural no SIS, read "don'ts" doc
earnest cape
@deep igloo no meme suggestions
earnest cape
dapper coral
the danny devito stream may return later, and it may not
sharp prism
earnest cape
tbf dreams are wack
potent ferry
would making a suggestion for making brimmy phase 3 have a different icon count as a resprite suggestion
tawny garden
Well, she's already getting a resprite
tawny garden
Yeah, that's fine @potent ferry
tawny garden
stygian weaver 2
No
patent hinge
it's like the original stygian weaver, but he's canonically a proud pitbull mommy
his melee attack has been replaced with him accidentally letting go of his pitbull's leash, dealing unblockable damage to the player's firstborn
the secret to beating him is calling the atf
hollow shell
:(
patent hinge
oh god, speaking of the atf
tawny garden
stop
patent hinge
i uh, i lost my illegal mod ideas in a boating accident
tawny garden
pastel terrace
So as of now until 1.5, no weapon balance Suggs right?
I can suggest anything else that falls into the does and donts
dapper coral
correcto
pastel terrace
tbf belladonna staff really needs a nerf/a bump in progression
hollow shell
@silent smelt Post-ML is getting a big stat flattening and therefore a rebalancing, in the upcoming update
So Starmada will be addressed
eternal escarp
(i think starmada already got tested too if you wonder)
distant gyro
yes
grim tusk
First shit then opaf iirc
The file should be around here or in nohits
Also by looking at it vanq arrows need to get killed hard
dapper coral
i suggest you just let the devs and testers do what they need to do
grim tusk
also no holy fire bullets or luminite arrows in tests
dapper coral
you've been told before
grim tusk
Ye
silent smelt
<@!816639805366206464> Post-ML is getting a big stat flattening and therefore a ...
Good to know!
safe oasis
for current sugg: calamity town NPC spawn rate boost makes this barely a problem, i get him within 2 minutes of being in the cavern layer almost every time
and if this were implemented, why just goblin and not wizard
or mechanic
silent smelt
Why did mine get a exclamation mark? What did I suggest that was wrong
pine star
Why did mine get a exclamation mark? What did I suggest that was wrong
You're not supposed to make balance suggestions rn
pine star
Because the testers ARE LITERALLY REBALANCING EVERYTHING AFTER ML
safe oasis
check pins
frail mantle
the testers are already going through and rebalancing everything post-ML because of the power curve flattening that's happening in 1.5, meaning that if a post-ML weapon is too strong/too weak/whatever, it is guaranteed to be nerfed/buffed/whatever in 1.5
dusk adder
it's likely the changes you ask are already coming
frail mantle
eah
zenith hazel
bot's down, notified amber
silent smelt
You're not supposed to make balance suggestions rn
Wasn’t in the guidelines!
pine star
Wasn’t in the guidelines!
But that does not mean it shouldn't be ❗
zenith hazel
it is in the pins
pine star
A rule is a rule
hollow shell
Yeah it's in the pins
It's not in the Don'ts doc cuz it's temporary
(We could put it there I guess but, we didn't)
fossil finch
rover becomes undertaleified w
tawny garden
always has been
crude geode
If it's very temporary, like only for one update, I doubt it really needs to go in the don'ts. Plus if it's in the pins, people should see it if they look at the don'ts.
mighty knot
@cedar jewel suggestions are meant to be formatted in a specific way (with a title and reasoning)
rover's message at the top of the posting channel should detail how to do that, as well as anything else about making a suggestion
also, the lunar armor buff and life armor suggestions are separate--so they shouldn't be in the same suggestion
cedar jewel
Ok sorry, didn’t know lol
mighty knot
that's fine
you can edit the suggestion
also, it's probably worth reviewing the 'don'ts' document
cedar jewel
I just came up with the idea like just now and I wanted to say it just incase anything could happen with it
sharp prism
the lunar armours had a use for longer because they get swapped out very quick
Nebula
cedar jewel
Do you think I should right the suggestion again or should I just leave it like that?
cedar jewel
Okay
Ima need to do it tomorrow cuz I’m using my phone rn and I can’t do bold and stuff I don’t think
ancient mirage
it doesnt need to be bold
hollow shell
Indeed
And you can do bold on mobile if you have two * on either side of the phrase, works universally afaik
But that's fine
proper grail
I like this Goblin Tinkerer suggestion
cobalt pewter
Eh
Not a fan of it honestly
I'd rather have the bound NPCs to take less damage or straight up be invincible
warm scarab
@silent smelt balancing suggs are kill
earnest cape
it's already ❗
earnest cape
So Starmada *will* be addressed
.
agile bolt
I like the goblin tinkerer idea. Everytime you beat goblin army your next step is to grab hunter potions and start running underground until you find him
But truth be told, i would much rather not have to go and find him. The find times can go from 30 seconds to 10 minutes depending on your luck
cosmic abyss
Howbout we combine golden gun upgrade sugg and cursed flame golden gun into one, and create evergreen gun
still zodiac
That sounds neat
cosmic abyss
(probably post scal for balance if this weapon exists )
Also has anyone wondered what is the maximum possible amount of def and dr reduction in calamity, cause there is alot of debuffs and weapons that does those things
safe oasis
@dreamy fjord should probably add mechanic and wizard to that sugg as well since they share the same spawn style
earnest cape
tavernkeep?
still zodiac
Also tavernkeep actually
still zodiac
Also trashers drop him
safe oasis
wait what
still zodiac
So like, angler is not an issue
still zodiac
wait what
When you kill a trasher before finding angler he'll spawn
Imagine it as angler was fed to a trasher
sand umbra
Angler is also a massive prick so I don't think anyone cares about him
still zodiac
Ye
sand umbra
cobalt pewter
True ig
God I wish Terraria doesn't have a shitty fishing
In any case
What warrants these kinda NPCs to have their spawn be changed when it's possible to just
Up their spawnrate
cosmic abyss
"If the Angler is present in the world, when killed by a Trasher in Hardmode he will drop a Golden Fishing Rod."
What
still zodiac
Up their spawnrate
That works too
safe oasis
there’s kinda no point to having them bound tbh
it’s just farming for the sake of farming
i guess mechanic makes sense but the others are ehhhh
warm scarab
lmao
still zodiac
The funny thing is that you can be so unlucky that you don't see Goblin tinkerer at all in your first Terraria pt
Or at the very least all of pre-HM
safe oasis
i didn’t until like post plantera in my first pt
cobalt pewter
I mean weren't Goblin Tinkerer brought down to the underground by his brethren? I mean you can just disregard that ig