mhm
#suggestions-discussion
tawny garden
crude geode
I suggested a buff but it died at 160 
suspicious jelly bean moves at the same speed as winged slime so that's interesting.
tranquil perch
Graze would be outclassed by burden breaker in terms of movement speed anyway
tawny garden
shhh
crude geode
By that logic, alicorn, teleporters, pylons, unicorn, and any other mount in existence are outclassed 
but tbh I agree, remove burden breaker. stupid accessory.
crude geode
Fabsol also likes his self-insert NPC iirc. Does that mean I will stop pushing for it's horny being toned down? No.
heady storm
Is there a specific reason as to why you had to include future content that does not influence Calamity at all currently (pylons) in your suggestion.
crude geode
I included it because it's another way of traveling instantly, that outclasses mounts in traveling. If you want me to remove it that's fine.
heady storm
Yeah remove it please.
Teleporters already set a high example as is because you can put them anywhere.
crude geode
Done 
heady storm
Thank you.
tawny garden
it's happening
hollow shell
Indeed
Sprite exists, just needs animation
Which we have been working on,
on and off
Cuz it's a big endeavor
tawny garden
frail mantle
As far as I’m aware there has been no progress on the sprite that has been shown publicly in a few months
It’ll be added to the game when it’s done, essentially
real steppe
Who sprited the OG Yharon anyway? (sorry for kinda going offtopic)
gray nebula
ziggums
he made a lot of sprites for the bosses although most of them got replaced
Birb, brimmy, cloud elemental, siren and leviathan, pbg, cnidrion, rav..
hollow shell
Indeed, it was Ziggs, but iirc it was reshaded by someone else to give us the current sprite (and Ziggs only made the original bubblegum pink version)
I wanna say Vlad but I don't know for sure
That was all before my time
tawny garden
who's Vlad
ashen warren
Thank you.
🍵 🍵 🍵 here’s ur family
hollow shell
(offtopic for this channel)
Vladimier, s'been a spriter and artist for a long time, had brief stints of getting banned for meme-ing
I dunno if he has any original sprites in the mod currently, but you'd prolly recognize his old pink SCal art
tawny garden
m
safe oasis
just break it 🧠
also invalid reasoning, just boil's down to "it's cool"
@gilded leaf ^
tawny garden
something more substantial
tawny garden
at least tell us why breaking it is worse than toggling
fossil finch
for bossfights the solution would indeed be just breaking
gilded leaf
fair point
or like
decorative
if you want it as decoration but dont actually want the effect around the area
whole sedge
Yeah decoration or not having to go and replace it every time you want to do a boss and instead just having to right click it 
tawny garden
(put that in the sugg)
gilded leaf
mk
proud parcel
You could also mention how campfires are also toggle-able
So there is precedence for placed object providing a buff that is toggle-able without breaking the object
@gilded leaf
safe oasis
how fix grammar error
replace with
but you don't want the effect
whole sedge
Read don'ts.
ashen warren
Also instead of copper shortsword you should get a classless weapon
cobalt pewter
Read the doc in pins yeah
whole sedge
You already get a weapon for every class in calamity in the starter bag.
ashen warren
But 2 melee weapons ?
whole sedge
One is literally a direct upgrade to the other
ancient mirage
yeah but who uses the shortsword
ashen warren
That is why it shouldn't exist
whole sedge
Either way replacing it would just cause unnecessary conflicts with other mods to my knowledge also, even though very few replace the three starter items.
earnest cape
you already get a class weapon for every class from the starter bag
adding more would just be bloat imo
it just feels unnecessary
whole sedge
^^
safe oasis
(what sugg are we even talking about)
crude geode
deyeeted one
earnest cape
Ye
frail mantle
every weapon in the game is being rebalanced for 1.5
earnest cape
welp it's gone
final basalt
so if I tested every subclass of every class on each boss all the way up to Polterghast would I have to re-fight them all?
frail mantle
Huh
cobalt pewter
Advanced Dummy 😳
crude geode
iirc there already is a mod for this
solar mango
where tho
cobalt pewter
If you're thinking of luiafk, Improved Dummy is kinda broken on that
Last time I checked
crude geode
Ah might be what I’m thinking of
tawny garden
ye it's gud
cobalt pewter
Dummy testing has never been a reliable thing, so ye
eternal escarp
might also be useful for the normal testers
solar mango
is improved dummy that weird thing that changes every 3 seonds
crude geode
superdummies still won’t be an accurate dps test
solar mango
from luiafk
frail mantle
yes
safe oasis
~~superdummies still won’t be an accurate dps test~~
shhh
crude geode
You know it’s true
solar mango
wait its all inacurate dummy testing?? always has been
earnest cape
it's what make people think stuff like grand guardian good cause of the aoe
tawny garden
[[Grand Guardian]]
red stormBOT
solar mango
frick woops
cyan lagoon
@fallen plover i believe statues might work for it
safe oasis
fargo's already does this and like 99% of the playerbase uses fargos
safe oasis
<@!698996743651590225> i believe statues might work for it
statue mimics dont give drops
cyan lagoon
but i think spawned from there they're neutered
wooden quartz
yeah, fargo or thorium both can do that without it feeling too cheaty
unreal viper
I like this sugg.
Never made any sense that you cou'dn't spawn other mimics using keys.
cyan lagoon
@lucid venture I'm sure theres translations in the works
pine star
@lucid venture You need reasoning for your suggestion
safe oasis
woah cobby knows how to read spanish 😳
lucid venture
Jaja no hablo inglés XD
cyan lagoon
no problem 👍
though this is primarily an english server
you can use translate
Keep in mind though-translations of the mod are not official
they are made by other community members
tawny garden
!wiki Community Modifications#Translations
tawny garden
Translations are very hard to keep up to date though
sleek turret
Translations are very hard to keep up to date though
yeah
i tried the spanish one
and it isn't completed yet
tawny garden
If anyone of you know another language and you can contribute, it would be great if you do
sleek turret
spanish translation is weird due to specific characters being shown as *
eternal escarp
If anyone of you know another language and you can contribute, it would be great...
id love to try help if i could tbh
it sounds jarring to translate though
sleek turret
manual translate
tawny garden
indeed
sleek turret
not google translate
eternal escarp
ye
tawny garden
Well ofc
eternal escarp
i dont trust google translate at fucking all
sleek turret
because or else it becomes what most translated words became on relogic's oficial translations.
dapper coral
i think you guys can continue this in DMs if you so wish
sleek turret
yeah
dapper coral
but for now this is offtopic
eternal escarp
oh yeah, woops
grim tusk
spanish translation is weird due to specific characters being shown as *
And a crap ton of variations, localization, slang, double meanings, etc
Avocado = Aguacate = Palta
Fridge = Refrigerator = Nevera = Refrigerador
Pencil Case = Lapicera = Estuche
And many others
The word “madre” and some others can be a swear depending on the way they are used
fossil finch
aguacate bro like fuck palta-
grim tusk
Agreed
fossil finch
based
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message
I feel like the Key names shouldnt be given, this would kinda fall into Specific Item Suggestion
radiant meadow
"normal mimics" and "shadow mimics" are identical except for appearance
grim tusk
That too
radiant meadow
whether "normal" applies to the surface ones or the underground ones
they're still the same
grim tusk
Surface is wooden
Underground is golden
Underworld is shadow
Surface mimics are a once in a life time spawn
radiant meadow
And Ice Mimics are still the same entity. Appearance is decided on spawn. If it's an ice mimic, it pulls from a different loot pool.
grim tusk
unless statues
radiant meadow
Surface mimics aren't super uncommon. They just don't spawn on the actual surface. You can find them sometimes in small underground caves with dirt background walls.
fossil finch
they do spawn on the actual surface pretty sure
it just never happens and is more of an actual occurrence below it
sharp prism
distant vault
me neither
tranquil perch
Super dummy defense and DR, yes please
analog talon
they can spawn on the surface if dirt walls are present iirc
if you do a dmode blood mode with zerg you'll see loads of surface mimic spawns
tranquil perch
astral mimic when
crude geode
when it actually fakes you out
wooden quartz
I like the idea, especially the golden key usage(although I would prefer if the golden key had to be converted into the spawn item, since I do keep those in chests). I didn't mean to belittle the suggestion earlier. I do think that having the shadow and sunlight keys doesn't make any sense as those mimics are identical to the golden ones. The frost one is good since that has its own drop set.
novel belfry
I like the idea, especially the golden key usage(although I would prefer if the ...
then why not add mini mimics of other classes such as fire mimics and sky mimics
analog talon
I like the idea, especially the golden key usage(although I would prefer if the ...
why do you have a single golden key in a chest with nothing else
wooden quartz
why do you have a single golden key in a chest with nothing else
at some point, a single golden key will end up being the only thing in someone's chest. not thinking, they'll close its inventory. it will happen. probably. eventually
analog talon
at some point, a single key of light will end up being the only thing in someone's chest. not thinking, they'll close its inventory. it will happen. probably not. but eventually
wooden quartz
~~at some point, a single key of light will end up being the only thing in someo...
the only reason you have a key of light is because you're going to put it in an empty chest. you don't store keys of light, you store souls of light
sleek turret
you can store keys of light/night on piggy banks too (safes and defender forges also)
analog talon
the only reason you have a key of light is because you're going to put it in an ...
bold of you to assume I don't keep 57 key of light in a chest and take them out 1 at a time to summon mimics
at one point I will forget I only have 1 key left and close the chest
crude geode
@fallen plover Should probably remove the idea of specific keys from your suggestion. Puts it in SIS territory.
fallen plover
Ok I agree, especially since someone mentioned golden/shadow mimics are essentially the same
dapper coral
Correct me if I'm forgetting something
It's definitely not a huge problem and idk if anyone else cares, but
these parts can definitely go
@oak tapir
oak tapir
Got it
dapper coral
righto, you're good now
oak tapir
Thanks, this is my first time
warm scarab
astral mimic when
omw to find out how to make a mimic spawn item 
distant vault
yeah
warm scarab
Wasn't this sugg the exact same as the one still in posting?
no but
ignore that
i put it in a file already
tawny garden
If you uh
tawny garden
Post it later
tawny garden
Or ping Techno and stuff
warm scarab
perhaps
tawny garden
Having same suggs in posting is 
warm scarab
|| ||
distant vault
Why don't you just leave it lol
dapper coral
hng
earnest cape
i mean
warm scarab
bruh
tawny garden
I meant, "ping him and have him edit his sugg"
distant vault
You could have just given him ideas
dapper coral
yeah there's
distant vault
Like more evidence
tawny garden
He made it earlier lol
dapper coral
really no need for a whole new sugg based on one still in posting
earnest cape
with the debuff point you made they don't count towards dps iirc so really they don't matter
cobalt pewter
....
earnest cape
really no need for a whole new sugg based on one still in posting
and ye ^^
crude geode
with the debuff point you made they don't count towards dps iirc so really they ...
Debuffs suck
FTFY
cobalt pewter
Did you just ping the original poster for a chance for them to remove their own post
warm scarab
no
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
okay but can we not be rude
crude geode
This suggestion has no reason to exist when there already is a suggestion about dummies in posting. Just ping the original poster with what they can add, you don’t need to make a redundant one and ask them to delete the old one. That’s just a bit rude and inconsiderate.
warm scarab
ok
dapper coral
mhm
dapper coral
so if/when techno gets here, just let them draw from your pastebin instead
dapper coral
and if they don't get here, then you can post your sugg in a week should theirs not reach the req
cobalt pewter
i want to hear some ideas about this sugg
And regarding this, can't #suggestions-discussion just work for this reason?
In any case ye
warm scarab
And regarding this, can't <#465195069406707722> just work for this reason?
lemmi type
i have one question tho
does auric summoner set's mechworm eat a minion slot
crude geode
Adds one that it eats, like all set summons
cobalt pewter
Ye
cobalt pewter
Minions taking main buff slots is h
warm scarab
ye
crude geode
Minions taking main buff slots is h
buff slots are h
FTFY
warm scarab
i'm saying make auric tesla armor's set bonus effect 1 buff
earnest cape
cursed spitting out facts
warm scarab
because
cobalt pewter
> buff slots are h
FTFY
True!
earnest cape
that would be great but what would happen if you summon more worms
crude geode
Any temporary effect, cooldown, or mount/pet taking up slots is mega cringe.
earnest cape
^
warm scarab
^
warm scarab
tarragon aura doesn't need a buff
still zodiac
But imagine if it did
warm scarab
i can't imagine
crude geode
Would be hella cringe.
still zodiac
Wouldn't it be fun
crude geode
No, it wouldn’t.
still zodiac
Exactly
crude geode
Anyways, bring up your suggestion ideas @warm scarab .
warm scarab
make ceaseless void's accessory drops less rare
reason is every cv fight is almost guaranteed to last 20+ seconds
with the gear you have
at the point where you want this thing
(arcanum/evolution)
still zodiac
CV is getting somewhat reworked, and the evolution will be guaranteed if CV is enraged
tawny garden
20 seconds isn't that long
cobalt pewter
(Evolution is getting changed to enrage)
tawny garden
And ye
warm scarab
cobalt pewter
Idk about Arcanum ye
still zodiac
Don't see the point in changing that
tawny garden
still zodiac
It would be better if arcanum was changed/reworked tbh
crude geode
That is in no way like Deus grinding
Deus grinding takes five millennia due to spawn animation, invincibility phases, in addition to having to fight the damn thing.
plus ceaseless void has much less useful grinding potential than galactica singularities
cobalt pewter
Deus grinding takes five millennia due to spawn animation, invincibility phases,...
I kinda wanna the spawn anim getting skipped when Deus is spawned with Starcore
warm scarab
good one
still zodiac
Sounds good
crude geode
I kinda wanna the spawn anim getting skipped when Deus is spawned with Starcore
Go suggest it Feedzuh
still zodiac
You already defeated deus if you have starcore, so
still zodiac
Affliction is just a stat stick, yeah
warm scarab
no
still zodiac
Making it more unique would be nice
crude geode
Affliction Takes a buff slot yeah.
warm scarab
if you have affliction on already
crude geode
What are you talking about?
warm scarab
The bonuses from the buff and the item itself do not stack with each other.
does that mean
you can have the buff while having affliction accessory
that's just a waste of a buff slot
and i prefer the accessory over the buff
even in mp
safe oasis
what
warm scarab
because buff slots are
still zodiac
But it's a good buff, though
But I think it does take up a buff for others in your team
earnest cape
yes it does
warm scarab
would it be good
if i can disable this buff
because summoners suffer from not enough buff slots already
still zodiac
Eh True
But that problem can be fixed by just, letting the summoner use Affliction instead
eternal escarp
^ literaly the solution
warm scarab
what if i don't want affliction's stat boosts
eternal escarp
then just dont use affliction at all
still zodiac
Then don't use it
eternal escarp
or, get buffs before it
still zodiac
Or don't be on the same team
eternal escarp
oh yeah thats also a thing aint it
still zodiac
Yes
eternal escarp
shouldn't wiki suggestions just be asked in #wiki-discussion ?
crude geode
yes
safe oasis
@sullen ravine
warm scarab
tinkerer's workshop is pre boss
crude geode
Probably didn't realize.
sullen ravine
didn't know it was a channel thanks
dapper coral
tinkerer's workbench is post-goblins
which can be gotten at any time pre-boss
because you can just go ahead and smash the orbs/hearts as soon as you load in
@sullen ravine
safe oasis
(this has been said)
dapper coral
byeah i'll just yeet it since it's pretty much irrelevant now
eternal escarp
ye
sullen ravine
yeah i completely forgot about the item that summons goblin army because i don't think i've ever had to use it
warm scarab
goblins can always spawn
crude geode
Idea: Remove Determination Breaker
why it causes you to instantly die to lava I don't know, and it's kind of just a reference for reference's sake.
whole sedge
(didn't it get like exposed that d breaker was getting some nifty changes eventually?)
tawny garden
I always thought that it taking an acc slot was part of the challenge
crude geode
tawny garden
haha
safe oasis
crude geode
@warm scarab
hollow shell
I mean
tawny garden
Quoting smth from 21.10.2020
hollow shell
I don't think it's been done yet in the upcoming version
but it's slated to happen at some point
earnest cape
just curious, what was the reason to adding deter breaker
hollow shell
and it's highly unlikely we'll make any changes to it between then and now
Determination Breaker is a very old item
twas likely added just to be a reference to Sans and not much else
tawny garden
We noticed
crude geode
might have gotten suggested on the forums
tawny garden
Well uh, why else would it be added
hollow shell
The reason why it should have been added was for its value as a challenge
But it wasn't given the same treatment as later challenge items
and is functionally very similar to Armageddon already
tawny garden
mhm
safe oasis
and is functionally very similar to Armageddon already
clearly that didn’t stop scal lore
tawny garden
That one is getting yeeted
hollow shell
Yeah that one's dying anyway so
crude geode
Lore deletion stopped SCal lore tho 
#suggestions-voting message
Alright, what part of this was approved and what was rejected
so I can know what to avoid in it's refinement and resuggestion
hollow shell
Raising buff slot limit: No
Making special buff slots for vanity, cooldowns, etc so they don't count to the total: Yes
tawny garden
hollow shell
Neither one was unanimous, but those are where the majorities led
tawny garden
will be stuck in approval hell forever
cobalt pewter
approval hell is real, kids
earnest cape
indeed
hollow shell
(Also, why resuggest it?)
crude geode
Mainly because the original one was very vague tbfh, not a bad thing, but it can be refined now
hollow shell
Yeah but
It got delivered and approved by the devs, partially at least
And is less than a month old
I mean, yeah I guess you can go for an intentional bluecheck
crude geode
A part of it is my internal hatred of green-checks with no 🛠️ or 🏁. I understand it being a part of the suggestion process, but the fact of the matter is my brain processes ✅ as simply a statement of yeah we like this suggestion..
hollow shell
(you mean 👍 )
crude geode
sorry yeah that one
hollow shell
That is indeed what that means
crude geode
Doesn't mean I don't dislike both of them, the checkmark just means devmocracy happened
That said, suggestions have been very slow as of late, due to the update kinda being big and changing a lot. this channel is gonna get spammed once it drops tho.
hollow shell
mmm
Big updates are always a bit screwy when it comes to suggs
Lots of invalidation, some spoiled and some not
safe oasis
would be cool if we get insight as to like why something got rejected if a sugg does
tawny garden
They didn't like it
hollow shell
I (or other devs) can provide that if someone asks
safe oasis
just give us read only access to dev chat
hollow shell
Assuming there was discussion about it in dev
Sometimes there isn't and everybody just unanimously dislikes it
but, usually there is some discussion
tawny garden
Why did my old guide voodoo doll sugg get rejected
hollow shell
Which one
tawny garden
I only had one
hollow shell
Yeah but
safe oasis
link it smh
tawny garden
Ah
hollow shell
I do not have photographic memory, Philo
tawny garden
crude geode
Like it or not, Rover is not a database containing all suggestions and dev conversations
hollow shell
It would be kinda neat if I was
hollow shell
That's old
eternal escarp
It would be kinda neat if I was
closest thing you can do is make a void server to archive stuff like dev convos ig lmao
eternal escarp
the ctrl F on discord is very annoying imo byeah
tawny garden
Yes
eternal escarp
why did you even remember a sugg from a year ago though lmfao
hollow shell
There was not any discussion about that sugg unfortunately
(That was also prior to us letting testers vote on suggs, only devs could)
I presume it was due to programming concerns
as two programmers downvoted the sugg
tawny garden
ah
safe oasis
pretty sure voodoo doll is an acc
tawny garden
It is
eternal escarp
oh yeah it is
tawny garden
Might be possible tho
tawny garden
Bucket is a wearable helmet
hollow shell
Dyes are also stackable equippables
hollow shell
And I assume that making Guide Voodoo Doll stackable would make em act like that
only insert one of em from the stack into the acc slot
hollow shell
(Can GVD get prefixes?)
tawny garden
There was a similar sugg not too long ago, and it was approved anyway
hollow shell
(I don't think I've ever seen that)
safe oasis
(if i were to guess yeah but idk)
tawny garden
No stackable item can get prefixes
safe oasis
(I don't think I've ever seen that)
yeah because why would you reforge a voodoo doll
hollow shell
yeah I spose I meant, a natural one
crude geode
for maximum guide killing efficiency 
safe oasis
someone on PC can you test this
hollow shell
I see the resuggestion
It was indeed almost a full year later
and testers could vote in it too
And it was unanimous approval
hollow shell
Even the three people (incl. two programmers) from before now approved of the sugg
hollow shell
More importantly:
It was suggested after the Voodoo Demon spawnrate change
hollow shell
Mhm
tawny garden
I haven't played the game
crude geode
that is probably why it got approved tbh
hollow shell
"Upgrade"
"Fuck go back"
"I SAID GO BACK"
crude geode
accurate
tawny garden
glass sentinel
the power of christ compels you, voodoo demon
pine star
"Upgrade"
"Fuck go back"
"I SAID GO BACK"
"I SAID GO BACK AGAIN"
magic grove
For the phantoplasm sugg
Auric wont use it anymore
It’ll just be auric ore + yharon’s shit
Draedon stuff will still use it tho
Byeah it should use less
safe oasis
they already are
retiering also shifts the stats to be more akin to the new tier
@kindred creek
(also future content sugg)
cobalt pewter
@kindred creek suggesting based off #changelogs is a don't, it counts as future content
kindred creek
magic grove
safe oasis
no worries
magic grove
Skoll..we’ve talked about this in the spirit disc
Cal’s music
Does not fit
In vanilla
Like spirit’s tracks do
They have wildly separate styles
zenith hazel
we already have enough musicians
zenith hazel
@west canyon
zenith hazel
also it has no reasoning, etc.
west canyon
maybe he feels intimidated
zenith hazel
yea, the important thing is not forcing someone into doing it
somber stream
The great modding crossover has been stopped in its tracks :sadcat
magic grove
cobalt pewter
wtf yuyu in cal main
west canyon
cobalt pewter
pine star
The great modding crossover has been stopped in its tracks :sadcat
hello
molten quest
I think Salvati has their own personal issues already, they don't need more-
wooden quartz
isn't that already a thing?
wooden quartz
it reduces damage, not nullifies
safe oasis
is this from the enemies or from being in water?
earnest cape
Effigy of decay exists
tawny garden
well, they're asking to nullify the damage completely
heady storm
Does this not already exist as is.
tawny garden
but year @faint canopy at least mention the [[Sulphurskin Potion]] in the sugg
red stormBOT
earnest cape
And ye trashers are THE bane if your existancd
faint canopy
but I mean have no effect
earnest cape
Debuff, phasing through blocks, big hitbox etc
faint canopy
it only reduces
earnest cape
You couldve at least mentioned it
eternal escarp
theres the Aquatic emblem (or whatever) from AS too iirc
tawny garden
say why you want it to be gone fully
fossil finch
you should still mention them, AS expert drop, and effigys
earnest cape
As well as effigy of decay which completely nullifies it in a range from the thing
tawny garden
ye
fossil finch
because they are options that already exist
earnest cape
Afaik
tawny garden
can you hold the effigy
tawny garden
ah
eternal escarp
^ yeah but u can make make them anyways from what i remember
earnest cape
Yeah
faint canopy
say why you want it to be gone fully
i'm fine with it, i just think it's hard earlygame
earnest cape
Althougu tbf
tawny garden
Althougu
earnest cape
The sulphuric sea doesnt really have a purpose early game since the only thing you can get is acid wood, which works as regular wood and the other use is for sulphuric armor which is post eye where you can fight acid rain t1, grab those scales and make the potion immediately
The recipe for the potion is also quite cheap only needing 1 scale and 1 water bottle
earnest cape
> Althougu
Shh
Im on mobile give me a break
Actually i need to research something
!wiki effigy of decay
red stormBOT
dreamy citrus
@faint canopy I hate to tell you this but there already is one. Sulpher skin potion
earnest cape
Ye its mentioned here already
tawny garden
we told them
faint canopy
<@!794988450645803022> I hate to tell you this but there already is one. Sulphe...
but it doesn't comepletely negate the effect
thats what i want
earnest cape
It still helps
dreamy citrus
Yes, but that is also what the Aqua scoog lore-item is for
earnest cape
And don't forget effigy of decay
dreamy citrus
Plus, with the sulpherous armor, you only take like 10 damage on your way to the abyss
earnest cape
And yeah please at least mention why sulphurskin isnt enough
dreamy citrus
Plus, aqua scoog isnt really that hard
earnest cape
Doig as prehm is dumb
dreamy citrus
Sulpherskin is a good potion, especially when you are doing the acid rain eventr
faint canopy
at least mention why the sulphurskin potion is not enough
yea prob a big bistake
earnest cape
Wh
Please add reasoning why sulphurskin isnt enough
All im seeing is what side effects sulphuric poisoning does
The title and the rest of the sugg doesnt really match up
faint canopy
because in early game when in the biome if you fall in you are already dead. the potion only delays the death
safe oasis
because in early game when in the biome if you fall in you are already dead. the...
by the time you're at the sulphur sea, you have enough health to survive water poisoning for a bit and at least a few recalls
earnest cape
And with the last part about obsidian skin, wouldn't just making the potion recipe harder to get and in turn buffing the potion
eternal escarp
if you fall into the ocean thats kindof your fault really
the potion reduces the damage which gives enough time to survive the waters, and there are the other solutions already noted here
faint canopy
by the time you're at the sulphur sea, you have enough health to survive water p...
actually you're right
well
thx for telling me
earnest cape
Falling is kinda your fault yeah unless a trasher just knocked you off in which point recallig would've been best
eternal escarp
Falling is kinda your fault yeah unless a trasher just knocked you off in which ...
you could still make platforms
byeah
earnest cape
Good
sand umbra
gotta love it when a Trasher wombo combos you into the sea of sulfuric acid
earnest cape
Indeed
tawny garden
You could say that he
earnest cape
And hello thomas
tawny garden
Trashes you
earnest cape
Die
tawny garden
magic grove
It’s dissonant duality™️ dev
sand umbra
you've learned well
magic grove
sand umbra
yes, is me, the funny Not Overhaul man
byeah like
Trashers can combo you really easily if they're at lower health because of the speed bonus they get at lower health percentages
combine that with the fact that often times you'll find the Sulphurous Sea at the point where you have enough damage output to get them to that point but not enough to kill them before that point becomes a problem and
yeah.
whole sedge
For the sulphuric poisoning sugg doesn't sulphurskin potions also kinda help against it 
tawny garden
That's been said
sand umbra
there are 3 different ways to avoid Sulf Sea poisoning yeah
tawny garden
10 times
magic grove
There are 5 ways
whole sedge
ah must've not seen it then my bad
magic grove
1: Dont fall in dingo
2: Use Sulph potion or whatever to atleast decrease damage
3: Just dont go to the sulph sea
4: Platform over the sea
5: Sulph armor
sand umbra
Sulphurous armor
earnest cape
Ah
sand umbra
ye
tbh Effigy of Decay in particular is actually like really goddamn good
and it's a shame that nobody cares about it most of the time because shit like Ocean Crest exists
earnest cape
Ye
sand umbra
...this makes me want to suggest a rework to Ocean Crest in particular
despite the fact that it'd quite possibly never get enough stars to go to dev
earnest cape
Anyhow @faint canopy so.... you gonna change anything about the sugg with what's mentioned above or no
sand umbra
because
- Ocean Crest doesn't really relate to DS all that well and its function would be better suited for a Sunken Sea or Abyss accessory imo
and
b) infinite waterbreathing on a post-DS accessory is highkey brokenly powerful
give me a second actually I'm gonna do this
because why the hell not
faint canopy
Anyhow <@794988450645803022> so.... you gonna change anything about the sugg wit...
yes
earnest cape
Good cause please do
earnest cape
because
1) Ocean Crest doesn't really relate to DS all that well and its functio...
Isnt gills also infinite water breathing
safe oasis
because
1) Ocean Crest doesn't really relate to DS all that well and its functio...
are you using number systems or letter system smh you can't go 1 then b
earnest cape
Yes
sand umbra
are you using number systems or letter system smh you can't go 1 then b
yes. yes I can.
sand umbra
Isnt gills also infinite water breathing
Gills is also a potion that is really annoying to craft
earnest cape
Huh
sand umbra
...well, less so when you have the easiest source of renewable Coral in the world, but my point still stands somewhat
sand umbra
curse you, Victide farming methods 
crude geode
smh my head just outsource your underwater expeditions to amidias, he’s got all the flipper and gills you need
pine star
curse you, Victide farming methods <a:echhyperventilate:764193768261025822>
i thought you would use echdemon
earnest cape
Hahayes
sand umbra
I don't have echdemon
oh yeah I forgot you're also gonna be able to buy Gills Potions in 1.5
alright well now my point is actually moot
crude geode
That is like. both a good and abhorrent change tbfh.
safe oasis
isnt this already a thing
eternal escarp
sorry to disrupt but
safe oasis
just talk to stylist
pine star
Though I guess the abhorrentness does depend on the cost of the potions
eternal escarp
why does calamity need colored hair dyes?
sand umbra
I can understand why it's there but it doesn't make it any easier for me to handle it especially when trying to justify my concepts
eternal escarp
when you can color your hair at the start of the game anyways
safe oasis
and why hair dye when just normal dye in head vanity slot with familiar wig
sleek turret
calamity alredy has hair color dyes.
sand umbra
@dreamy citrus ask the Stylist for a new cut; she also allows you to change the base color of your hair for a measly 5 gold
dreamy citrus
just talk to stylist
Yes I understand that. But... there was no option for, like, pink hair dye. And before you tell me to equip familiar wig and select pink dye, no, it doesn't work
dreamy citrus
<@!616392666934149138> ask the Stylist for a new cut; she also allows you to cha...
OH
I am so stupid
crude geode
It’s alright dw
dreamy citrus
I probably should've realized that
sand umbra
this is the benefit of getting Stylist literally every playthrough and getting a specific hairstyle
eternal escarp
it happens
earnest cape
The probably forgotten mechanic cause no one talks to the stylist
sleek turret
Stylist lets you have all the hair styles in the game currently.
Calamity alredy adds various hair dyes for using them.
sand umbra
I know her services like the back of my hand
sand umbra
I'm just sayin', how many people do you know that would actually know that off the top of their head
magic grove
After I make my character I go onto a test world with cheat sheet to get my vanity and correct hairstyle
crude geode
The abhorrent ness imo from potions being vended, is mainly due to the fact that why would you ever spend time crafting potions when you can just buy them. You’re gonna need to farm money for tinker reforges anyways, why not go the extra mile and farm extra for free potions?
sand umbra
and this is, arguably, an extension of the problem I expressed ages ago with Blood Orbs
earnest cape
( @dreamy citrus can you yeet the sugg btw since you already know how to change the color)
pine star
and this is, arguably, an extension of the problem I expressed ages ago with Blo...
where was that?
sand umbra
I don't think I made a sugg about it but tl;dr the problem I had with Blood Orbs is that they make potion brewing incredulously easy by removing a lot of the actual material farming
Blood Orb farming is not difficult. you have access to a lot of spawn rate boosts by post-Skeletron (and most people will have other mods active that add even more, although I'm going to refrain from naming any specifics because it'd ruin the point of the expression)
even without those other mods, you have Battle Potions, Water Candles, and the innately high spawn rates of a Blood Moon (never mind the asinine boost in Death Mode)
and remember, vanilla spawn rate modifiers actually work correctly in Cal, unlike in vanilla where they barely do anything
crude geode
I wish blood orbs could just be used in place of any (reasonable) item, as that way it would be more of an “oh shit I just ran out of this material, I guess I can use these blood orbs in the meantime” instead of replace entire recipe with blood orb
split grove
@dreamy citrus just use stylist, she can change hair color, no need for hair dye
earnest cape
Already mentioned.
pine star
and remember, vanilla spawn rate modifiers actually work correctly in Cal, unlik...
This is somehow both pog and unpog
split grove
oh
dapper coral
i have yeeted that one since it is now redundant
earnest cape
Thank
sand umbra
the point is, Blood Orb farming (once you have access to it) very quickly outclasses any normal potion material farming if you have the damage output
post-Skeletron pre-Hardmode is actually the ideal farming time for this reason; the enemies are weak enough to where you'll kill them virtually instantly and aren't annoying enough individually to where you'll risk your life trying to fight hordes of them
crude geode
Mhm
However, suggesting a nerf/rework to blood orbs would likely not go anywhere, because I doubt more than like 10-20% of the community enjoys gardening
sand umbra
I like gardening :(
earnest cape
Too bad
crude geode
So does one of my friends, and I understand why
I enjoy exploration, calamity shafts that too
sand umbra
it's peaceful and often involves much less investment than murdering thousands of enemies for marginally easier potion farming
and I really wish mods did more with it
but it's gardening and people hate non-combat activities for reasons I to this day cannot comprehend so it won't happen
pine star
but it's gardening and people hate non-combat activities for reasons I to this d...
people are lazy
they want their adrenaline rush quickly
earnest cape
The sad reality
sand umbra
tbh
I like fishing, despite how little sense fishing makes in this game, for a lot of the same reasons
crude geode
The only reason draedon shit is liked Bc it gives weapons that look cool.
pine star
tbh
I like fishing, despite how little sense fishing makes in this game, for a l...
same
cobalt pewter
people are lazy
they want their adrenaline rush quickly
That usually goes from the fact that people can be busy ig
pine star
I literally got all my souls of Night from Fish of Night
safe oasis
but it's gardening and people hate non-combat activities for reasons I to this d...
why do you think all of post moonlord is just a bossrush
cobalt pewter
Not everyone games 25 hours a day
pine star
Not everyone games 25 hours a day
I game like 3 hours a day 2 days a week
And I still decided to fish
sand umbra
I prefer having peaceful activities to engage in to take a break from fightin' stuff
cobalt pewter
If I have more free time man I would've enjoyed gardening or exploring (not fishing because fishing sucks lmao)
pine star
same
crude geode
I prefer having peaceful activities to engage in to take a break from fightin' s...
^^^^
sand umbra
fishing is a nice calming activity and so is gardening
hell, you can even do other stuff while you're gardening
you don't have to sit there like an idiot and wait for your herbs to grow
sleek turret
yeah
pine star
I prefer having peaceful activities to engage in to take a break from fightin' s...
^^^^^^
cobalt pewter
Gardening is mostly unattended ye
sand umbra
it's the least effort-intensive activity, you literally do nothing and get free stuff for doing so
sleek turret
you can do something else while your weed herb grows
fossil finch
sucks to never advance am i
I'd honestly legitimately want to have a peaceful and less rush playtrough once but i'm on a burnout, lazy, and can't stand too much time doing no shit
arguably, if i want to calm myself i'd just play wii sport resorts
sand umbra
I don't get why people don't like it
cobalt pewter
Though fishing power minmaxing is stupid you basically cannot get jack shit without optimizing
safe oasis
i think the main problem is gathering the seeds to start the garden up
gardening itself is not bad
but fuck deathblossom seeds
sand umbra
Calamity gives you free seeds and a few free planter boxes
still zodiac
there's not much use to herbs other than potions
crude geode
There already is enough combat in calamity, and content is continuously expanding upon that, even though I think it’s hindering what the mod could be. We’re going to have two new bosses in the span of two years, and are gonna have reworks that practically make some new ones. Yet anything peaceful barely gets attention.
still zodiac
so you stock up on herbs and don't use them on anything else besides potions
cobalt pewter
I took 24 hours spanned across 3 days to get a single Frog Leg from boring, fairly unoptimized fishing
magic grove
There already is enough combat in calamity, and content is continuously expandin...
Two years
cobalt pewter
I can see gardening or exploring being nice
magic grove
7
pine star
but fuck deathblossom seeds
yeah
fuck those
cobalt pewter
But fishing is just plain dumb to me
magic grove
Take it or leave it
cobalt pewter
Deathweed?
fossil finch
so you stock up on herbs and don't use them on anything else besides potions
tbh this does indeed happen to me
I had a little farm once and i just had a fuck lot of herbs i never really used because they are only for pots
cobalt pewter
Or fireblossom?
sand umbra
anywho I need to finish writing this Ocean Crest sugg
sleek turret
Deathweed is hard and its uhh, needs to basically having a full moon or a blood moon to harvest.
still zodiac
adding more use to herbs would be nice tbh
sand umbra
but the point I wanted to make, which is relevant to it, is that all of these things that normally require doing the calmer activities shouldn't just be given to the player for free
safe oasis
pretty sure ocean crest was more of a gameplay thing
you kill scourge, which unlocks sunken sea
you get breathing accessory and water gear at the same time to help you survive in said sea
still zodiac
Deathweed is hard and its uhh, needs to basically having a full moon or a blood ...
also this, this is really stupid imo
sand umbra
there has to be a benefit to these calmer activities or people will never do them
safe oasis
its like the only good progression in the game
sleek turret
Fireblossom is fine tbh.
tawny garden
I sometimes harvested stuff
cobalt pewter
there has to be a benefit to these calmer activities or people will never do the...
cue Bass spam
tawny garden
Cause my arena was full of planterboxes
sleek turret
Outside if its fucking raining, then Fireblossom is dead.
cobalt pewter
Fuck them Bass I have enough food for an eternity
And I hate eating FISH
Except maybe catfish or eels
because yes
tawny garden
Offtopic
fossil finch
its like the only good progression in the game
do people use stuff like diving gear on vanilla like..
Wait, there IS diving gear and it is technically worse than crest and is arguably gotten later
crude geode
there has to be a benefit to these calmer activities or people will never do the...
Fishing has this in part tbh, in that it helps skip certain progression points tougher parts (like killing reaper sharks/farming souls), or gives unique weapons. Could be expanded upon.
sand umbra
fishing gets a bit of love, yeah
but it's not enough to consistently interest people in doing it
at least aside from 1-2 things
fossil finch
still not enough
add a good system aaaaaaaaaaaa
safe oasis
you have to fish before you get the thing that makes fishing actually fun
fossil finch
instead of click m1 every undetermined amount of time
sand umbra
no you don't actually
tawny garden
Fab was talking about a timer thing on fishing
crude geode
you have to fish before you get the thing that makes fishing actually fun <:booh...
In vanilla? Yes. In calamity? Fuck no
tawny garden
To keep people engaged
sand umbra
you can create the Supreme Bait Tackle Box Fishing Station without ever laying a finger on a fishing pole
(and you can thank our good friend DS for that)
fossil finch
in post plantera technically
cobalt pewter
Fab did say that yes
Idk if he ever decided to do smth about it, and Aqua said smth about the inspiration
But having fishing like Stardew Valley can be epic imo
sand umbra
the only thing you'd need at the start of Hardmode to fish for is Master Bait
and Master Bait takes like 2 seconds to get with decent fishing gear which you should have by that point anyway
sudden mural
yeah but what would you even need to fish for post plantera
abyssal crates do be effortlessly giving you abyss materials doe
fossil finch
But having fishing like Stardew Valley can be epic imo
exactly
just add that on terraria
Win
crude geode
yeah but what would you even need to fish for post plantera
Reaper shark teeth. Profaned energy. Astral drops from Astrum Aureus defeat. Rogue’s Pillar drop Meld Blobs. Abyss materials.
pine star
abyssal crates do be effortlessly giving you abyss materials doe
not so effortlessly in 1.5
safe oasis
wait you get meld from fishing?
crude geode
Crates ye.
fossil finch
given the (what was changed wha)
crude geode
Fishing is fuckin busted when you actually take a closer look at it’s crates.
It’s just that the system is really fucked up and not consistent like stardew valley or any other similar game.
pine star
yeah
sand umbra
this sugg would be so much easier to write if Calamity bosses got any respectable Expert Mode changes
sleek turret
which I talked about it like 3 times.
sand umbra
but they don't, so let's hope this works well enough
fossil finch
~~this sugg would be so much easier to write if Calamity bosses got any respecta...
tbf only like 2 items on vanilla do this anyways
sand umbra
vanilla doesn't do the best job of it either but like at least it tries
crude geode
@sand umbra Question: Can you mention how Aquatic Emblem is just a copy of this accessory? Because it makes both of them really bland.
sand umbra
and it has a few good ones
dapper coral
if there's no lore related reason to change it then you don't need to mention lore @shell grotto
shell grotto
fair enough
sand umbra
<@255151593840705537> Question: Can you mention how Aquatic Emblem is just a cop...
donezo
crude geode
Thank you 🙏
sand umbra
I completely forgot Aquatic Emblem existed for a second
that is how irrelevant Aquatic Emblem is
crude geode
It’s because it’s literally ocean crest 2.0
shell grotto
if there's no lore related reason to change it then you don't need to mention lo...
alright, it's gone.
dapper coral
pine star
why is "FURTHERMORE" in all caps?
fossil finch
it is actually cool because you see
upgrade to the one acc you always used on abyss
sand umbra
for EMPHASIS
cobalt pewter
I completely forgot Aquatic Emblem existed for a second
Then there's Fab dying when making it work on mp
sand umbra
actually yeah I'll make it not all uppercase
crude geode
~~it is actually cool because you see~~
~~upgrade to the one acc you always used...
Save that for non-expert mode exclusive items that are meant to represent bosses. We have abyssal diving gear for that.
eternal escarp
italicize it maybe, looks better without being bold ig
sand umbra
but I want to scream
eternal escarp
do you have a mouth for that?
tawny garden
If you're angy
sleek turret
problem is that all capping everything will make the sugg look a little bit uhh, weird.
sand umbra
boldface draws too much attention, I feel
tawny garden
Caps draws even more
crude geode
Boldface (essentially) erases the rest of the sentence.
sand umbra
ye
tawny garden
m
sand umbra
it's why I always boldface my sugg titles and then use boldface sparingly past that
boldfaced words signify a word or phrase that commands attention
pine star
yeah
sleek turret
yeah
crude geode
wow my mount suggestion blew up
Sugg seems fine. I do think Calamity needs to back off sometimes and not focus as much on boss fights, but instead on providing a bit more variety in what the player does. Because it does it halfway, with things like the supreme tackle box and giving the player planter boxes earlier, but then stops and also kneecaps it by providing alternate ways of doing said things.
tawny garden
165 huh
sleek turret
your sugg seems fine.
sand umbra
mount balancing pog
sleek turret
although mine is just obscure in particular
sand umbra
I don't think anyone cares about making planetoids actually interesting judging from the fact I'm still 60 stars off after about 3 days but hey at least I tried
tawny garden
that's sad
cobalt pewter
My last sugg was about Phaseslayer having its dmg boost scaling off angular velocity be boosted by melee speed
But I haven't got time to suggest stuff lately
😔
tawny garden
You don't have time for anything, it seems 
cobalt pewter
True
sleek turret
I haven't got ideas for suggs outside some pretty obscure stuff.
cobalt pewter
Might give time for 1.5 when it drops, but that's about it
tawny garden
Not having played the game for a year has an effect
sleek turret
LFG channel?
dapper coral
idk what this new sugg means but #multiplayer-looking-to-play exists
pine star
WTF is an LFG channel?
dapper coral
@bold cove
tawny garden
^
sand umbra
Looking For Game
cobalt pewter
Yes that's what #multiplayer-looking-to-play is for
tawny garden
Oh
weak field
It literally exists
sand umbra
also known as "hey shitlords I want someone to play with please be my friend"
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
though that place is similar if not worse than literal hell
pine star
**L**ooking **F**or **G**ame
oh
tawny garden
clearly not
cobalt pewter
The term LFG is more common with pvp games
tawny garden
Cause almost nobody knew what you were talking about
bold cove
Maybe not terraria ig
cobalt pewter
Meanwhile Terraria community refers to #multiplayer-looking-to-play for this
bold cove
Hook ups?
fossil finch
wait lfg tf
tawny garden
hollow shell
@faint canopy You should mention Sulphurskin in your suggestion. It seems like you're implying it exists but you never actually mention it directly
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Sulphurskin_Potion
hollow shell
I'll exclaim it so he cares
faint canopy
I'll exclaim it so he cares
done it
faint canopy
does that matter?
crude geode
You want your suggestion to be accessible to the community. Not everyone knows every aspect of this mod.
hollow shell
It's confusing
I thought at first that you just didn't know that Sulphurskins existed already
faint canopy
there
crude geode
Tbh I think sulphurskin should be addressed more, as it provides a way to help alleviate some of the pain, without just straight up erasing the debuff like 99% of the other debuffs in the game. Feels more unique.
faint canopy
I have
hollow shell
Okay cool
It's still out of order, but thank you
faint canopy
welcome
safe oasis
specific and no reasoning
languid quartz
^
spice roost
<@!707583907075194891> You need reasoning
why?
safe oasis
i swear to god this chat is just
one person says something
the one immediately after says the same thing but louder
pine star
i swear to god this chat is just
>one person says something
>the one immediatel...
But I pinged the,