suggestions-discussion

[frail mantle]

'means i won't have to dig through my files to find it and can instead just dig through my favorited gifs

[dapper coral]

it is gone

[earnest cape]

poof

[warm scarab]

@analog talon #suggestions-posting message
about this sugg, may i ask you to take a look at auric tesla bars' crafting recipe
giving crates auric bars just skips the whole process of getting the stuff(and making fishing overpowered which is legitimately concerning), and you mentioned uelibloom bars, which is crafted from only the ore and not a ton of shit along with it

[tawny garden]

They did say that they might drop very rarely to mitigate the issue

Though I would like them to say "Bar or Ore" instead of just "Bar"

[warm scarab]

ye

changing that to ore ~~or making auric slime :wrath: ~~ would fix it

[frail mantle]

ore slimes boring

i'd rather have an actually creative enemy to farm ores from than another wacky woohoo pizza man that hops around

especially if it's supposed to be for an ore as endgame as Auric

[crude geode]

Ravager moment

[earnest cape]

ravager is still better than a slime

[cobalt pewter]

Ravager is actually a thick slime

Galaxy brain momentum

[earnest cape]

hage

[crude geode]

Pretty much

Give us ore crawlers that vanish like truffle worms after seeing the player.

Instead of just big chungus slime that hops at the player and dies

[frail mantle]

ravager at least does something more than jump around

[crude geode]

Yes, but he also drops 7 things you normally have to work for, making his only usage that and a few accessories

[analog talon]

Crabulon becomes imbued with the power of Yharim's foot fungus and begins dropping 3 auric ore after yharon has been defeated

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

No.

[frail mantle]

no

[sleek turret]

cool sugg

[warm scarab]

@grim tusk i posted something like that some time ago right

[sleek turret]

although ml deathray can be detected due dust particles appear in the upper eye indicating that deathray is about to get real.

[eternal escarp]

so

[sharp prism]

or, the fact its fucking giant

[sleek turret]

yeah fucking giant on 1366x768

[sharp prism]

just get a better screen :)

[sleek turret]

[tawny garden]

Oh, we're talking about screen resolutions?

:)

[sharp prism]

philo

shhh

[warm scarab]

give rage the DoG summon sound

[sleek turret]

didn't get approved

[warm scarab]

or adren

[warm scarab]

rly

[sleek turret]

stuck at 153

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

I don't expect this to go anywhere either then

Unless this sugg's wording is a lot better

[cobalt pewter]

Rav spawn for rage sound

[tawny garden]

EoC spawn for Rage sound

[safe oasis]

Moon Lord’s death ray is coming when in reality you just use Enrage
use a better metaphor, you won't be using demonshade on ml @grim tusk

[grim tusk]

Boss Rush

Also i worded it a bit better

[hot zephyr]

Seems valid to me

[warm scarab]

base boosted roar you mean

[pastel terrace]

I’d imagine rage sound should be something loud and harsh

Adrenaline could be something more streamlined

Like a focused air blast or something

Something to convey your putting all your energy/focus/adrenaline into these next few attacks

[sleek turret]

uhh, about the plague wings stuff.

[sharp prism]

CalVanities

[sleek turret]

didn't Calamity Vanities add it alredy

[sharp prism]

ye

[pastel terrace]

PLAGUEBRINGER JETPACK

But isn’t that just a vanity’s

[cobalt pewter]

Also could this conflict with the intended armor design, especially since it's a donor armor

[pastel terrace]

It is?

[cobalt pewter]

....holdup

Yeah

[sleek turret]

yeah the Plaguebringer armor is a donor armor.

[cobalt pewter]

The sugg writes "Plaguebringer"

[brazen pier]

oh shoot right

[cobalt pewter]

Unless they meant "Plague Reaper"

[pastel terrace]

Dang

[brazen pier]

Nope I meant plaguebringer

[pastel terrace]

Plague Reaper could get the wings

[brazen pier]

Forgot it was donor

ye plague reaper should get it

Edited the suggestion

(I always forgot dark red indicates a donor item)

[sleek turret]

hmm

reasoning seems a little bit of "it'd be cool." ones.

[brazen pier]

Yeah

I mean I came up with the idea cause it sounded cool

but it also feels a bit weird for the boss that moves exclusively via jetpack to not give you said jetpack

or anything to fly for that matter

Also the Plague Reaper Armor already has a bird beak (IK it's a plague doctor mask but it looks birdy) so it would make a good deal of sense for a set of wings to go with it

[eternal escarp]

should prolly expand on why it should be added

[sleek turret]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

also, no need for the "plaguebringer" and the

"I don't think this breaks the rules, but it is kind of grey area so I'm sorry if it does."
"...I tried not to be too specific here so as to avoid breaking rules."

[brazen pier]

good point lmao

[brazen pier]

I added my reasoning to the suggestion :)

[warm scarab]

cool...

:wtf:

@brazen pier this is kill

[brazen pier]

?

Think I should remove it?

"This is kill" is unclear :/

[warm scarab]

remove it

[grim tusk]

Suggs with “it would be cool” are invalid

[warm scarab]

don't put the word "cool" in suggs

it automatically invalidates your sugg

[tawny garden]

not a good reason, cause it isn't objective enough

now, I wouldn't say that it invalidates the entire sugg

[brazen pier]

Removed the coolness part

[tawny garden]

if you just say that in passing

but it is discouraged

[brazen pier]

and yeah the word cool nuking a suggestion seems extreme lmao

or should I say plague nuki-- I shouldn't

[tawny garden]

[warm scarab]

[brazen pier]

Don't get why coolness can't be mentioned honestly

like yeah it's not objective but people find cool things fun and the game should be fun so?

lmao

[eternal escarp]

it can,

[tawny garden]

they were overacting

[eternal escarp]

obv the word "cool" doesnt automatically kill your sugg

[tawny garden]

but if it's the only reason, then it's bad

[brazen pier]

it wasn't tho

[cobalt pewter]

Oh whoop I forgot I have a sugg draft on posting's message box

Might finish it perhaps

[warm scarab]

unless it's the main reason

[warm scarab]

ye but remove it for safty measure

[eternal escarp]

well, was it?

[warm scarab]

no

[warm scarab]

.

[eternal escarp]

if it wasnt, then there was no need to overreact to it tbh

[warm scarab]

iirc we killed several suggs that have cool in it as one of the reasons

[cobalt pewter]

Hmm, should Venerated Locket be full spam oriented?

[warm scarab]

ye

wanna make a sugg?

[eternal escarp]

we never said its 100% kill sugg, we only said its discouraged

[cobalt pewter]

Currently it has an additional stealth strike set of projectiles

But idk if it matters much

[warm scarab]

:huh:

[velvet locust]

@dire loom astral bee comfirmed?

[gray nebula]

armor assorted wings are rarely made for class specific armor sets aren't they

[pastel terrace]

If you bring queen bee to astral biome she becomes astral bee 😳

[velvet locust]

time for 3 trillion people to hate me for my suggestion

[tawny garden]

@elder vale no.

[eternal escarp]

and a meme

[earnest cape]

@dapper coral

[velvet locust]

@elder vale sadly no

[tawny garden]

wdym "sadly"

[eternal escarp]

i doubt they will change dungeon gen because vanilla generation bad iirc

[velvet locust]

also terratale mod exist. that has a sans boss

[earnest cape]

Wurm doggo why are you arguing with yourself in the sugg

[velvet locust]

wdym

[earnest cape]

That sugg could've been trimmed down a lot

[velvet locust]

ok

[tawny garden]

eh

[velvet locust]

should i kill wall of text?

[earnest cape]

And the last paragraph feels not needed imo

No definitely not

Its 100% valid

[tawny garden]

yeah

[velvet locust]

there

[elder vale]

Whyyyyy its the best suggestion in the entire channel bro

[tawny garden]

no, it's not

delete it

[earnest cape]

It really isnt

[velvet locust]

im sorry, but no

i feel so bad

[tawny garden]

(it's gonna be deleted anyway)

[velvet locust]

can we get an f for mikey?

[tawny garden]

no

[elder vale]

Its ok, it was a joke

[earnest cape]

No.

[velvet locust]

you do know that you could get banned from posting suggs for doing that, right?

[elder vale]

Sorry

[velvet locust]

but terratale have sans boss

[tawny garden]

arguing with yourself is a way of presenting evidence

Thomas does that, in fact

[earnest cape]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i havent been here long enough to see thomas

RIP thomas

[tawny garden]

last message half a month ago

[velvet locust]

this is the first sugg in 100 years that people thought was somewhat reasonable

[velvet locust]

think his computer broke

[tawny garden]

(eh)

(in any case I wouldn't assume anything)

[frail mantle]

dreaded changing vanilla worldgen

also dungeon crates already exist

kinda

[velvet locust]

in fargo?

oh 1.4 reworked fishing

(and crates)

[frail mantle]

dungeon crates exist in 1.3

[eternal escarp]

1.3 too iirc

[frail mantle]

but what i was initially thinking of is https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Golden_Lock_Box

(also exists in 1.3)

byeah pretty sure changing vanilla worldgen is a don't because of shit like dungeon worldgen being hardcoded

[tawny garden]

Not a don't that's listed anywhere

Apart from one tiny note under "Changing the speed of evil biome spread"

[frail mantle]

i stand corrected

[halcyon dagger]

someone needs to make a suggestion about the star canon upgrades

[tawny garden]

you can do it yourself

[halcyon dagger]

i cant think of words

but sire

sure

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

Aren't weapon balance suggs kinda no since

[dapper coral]

@halcyon dagger check the pins, no balance suggs

[zenith hazel]

balancing suggestions are discouraged/not allowed @halcyon dagger

[earnest cape]

Hueh

[halcyon dagger]

oh

[pastel terrace]

I’d really love to see DS become AS if you bring him to the sulphur sea

[tawny garden]

I mean
it would hardly make sense though

considering that they're two separate worms

[analog talon]

DS should hydrate and become stronger if you bring him into water

[pastel terrace]

^^^^^

I wanna see the Oceanic Worm

The worm that originated both the DS and the AS

[eternal escarp]

if you can give a good reason then i dont see a problem
other then the problem being there isnt really a real reason for that

[whole sedge]

yeah what blast said, i don't see why this is really needed at all

[pastel terrace]

Oh I’m not considering suggesting it

I just think it’s a neat idea

I’d imagine it’s look like a less spikey, fatter and more elegant AS

[eternal escarp]

this is #suggestions-discussion so its safe to assume youd think of ideas to suggest tbh

for the aegis shittery

[wooden wedge]

@dark cairn boss suggestions are a dont iirc

[eternal escarp]

yeah they arent i believe

[tawny garden]

yes

[eternal escarp]

also

technically draedon fits that by technicality

obscurely technical fit

[tawny garden]

lol

it seems like that sugg is asking for some major change

[safe oasis]

the whole aegis thing is already getting fixed

[eternal escarp]

if ben sees that aegis sugg i think he will scream

[tawny garden]

a new biome

[eternal escarp]

the regen was moved too ye

[gray nebula]

draedon really fits with the labs yes

[dark cairn]

Oh right I'm new here sorry I dont understand to much

[gray nebula]

encrypted schematics

[eternal escarp]

[tawny garden]

he screamed in #wiki-basic

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Hmm where have i seen this before?
Mod of Redemption

[eternal escarp]

i didnt even read the rest of the sugg
really seems like just a MoR sugg lol

[dapper coral]

@bleak sentinel gonna remove it since it's already being fixed

[grim tusk]

Also yes we are getting Draedon

[dapper coral]

and yes this is incredibly specific and overall no so ima remove this one too

[wooden wedge]

oh true that sugg really looks like MoR

[bleak sentinel]

understandable bc i am dum and dont know much about whats happening to items in the future so

[dapper coral]

dw bout it

[dark cairn]

So do you guys ever think of adding in new bosses etc or is that something you'll not do anymore

[eternal escarp]

theres draedon in the work atm

[dark cairn]

Ah okay

[eternal escarp]

and plans for yharim, and 2 superbosses when time comes

[grim tusk]

in #calamity-mod-talk

[eternal escarp]

^ yeah that

[dark cairn]

I just thought the laboratory needed more too it reminded me of the game carrion thought that could be a cool thing to expand on with a boss but I just read u don't allow that stuff sorry about that

[eternal escarp]

it happens, dw

[grim tusk]

Also Mech bosses and PBG are part of like the labs already

[eternal escarp]

lore wise, yeah

[dark cairn]

oh right

[grim tusk]

Maybe not mechs but PBG is definetely

[dark cairn]

Yeah I meant like a actual dungeon laboratory kinda thing

Cause I really dig them just feel their so small

[grim tusk]

And that would be fricking MoR

[dark cairn]

No idea what that MoR means sorry am really new here

[grim tusk]

Another mod

[dark cairn]

Ah right

[grim tusk]

Mod of Redemption

[dark cairn]

Ah okay

[grim tusk]

Which has its huge lab and an infection which is like exactly what you suggested

[dark cairn]

Ah really thats cool

[eternal escarp]

yeah resembles it quite a lot so tbh, i suggest you try that mod out someday

[dark cairn]

Do you know what mods work with calamity

Like I wasnt sure I could use them together or not

[eternal escarp]

mostly its better to use 1 content mod at a time

[dark cairn]

Ah right okay that makes sense

[bleak sentinel]

like none of them
progression wise calamity items and gear far outpace the others

[whole sedge]

yeah uh i suggest not mixing and matching content mods and such ever

[bleak sentinel]

i mix and match non calamity sometimes

[dapper coral]

i suggest you go to #other-mod-talk for this

[bleak sentinel]

thorium+one other mod works great often bc thorium never outpaces other mods
it works well w qwertys

[whole sedge]

yeah this is sugg discussion not off topic

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't Luminite Arrow 333 from 1 bar?

[dapper coral]

yes iirc

[tawny garden]

yes

same for Luminite Bullet

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah maybe I'd reduce the Bar requirements to 2 or 3 instead of 5

[warm scarab]

@velvet locust dungeon crates exist in vanilla

so there's no need to add em

[zenith hazel]

sugg bot's down, notified amber

[earnest cape]

[velvet locust]

you happy now?

[warm scarab]

ty

wait

[warm scarab]

wtf

lockbox

[sleek turret]

uhh, balance sugg?

[warm scarab]

this is for 1.3

[sleek turret]

thats console version

[warm scarab]

not just balance but iframe fuckery

[whole sedge]

that's console yeah

[warm scarab]

console is 1.3

[velvet locust]

vanilla console and modded pc are on same version lmfao

[whole sedge]

console 1.3 was also different than pc 1.3 like 99% sure

[sleek turret]

are you sure.

[cerulean estuary]

not really

there were very slight difference ye

but they're still both 1.3

[warm scarab]

if something exist in console then we have it on tmod

except some excusive stuff i suppose

[velvet locust]

@warm scarab seems like a good idea, but the balancing to make sure it doesn't become like beenades on WoF requires a lot of effort

[sleek turret]

old gen consoles actually

they use 1.3.5.3 which is represented by the joystick on a pad icon (?)

[sleek turret]

actually this is true

because stockade crates exist which are the hardmode variant of dungeon ones.

and since on 1.4 crate cheese was nerfed then ehh

[warm scarab]

ye

[floral widget]

I would definitely recommend Mod of Redemption

[cerulean estuary]

indeed

[warm scarab]

[warm scarab]

@analog talon don't.

[safe oasis]

why do you so much

[analog talon]

too late already did

didn't check my pings till I was done typing

[warm scarab]

good question

nah this sugg is invalid

balancing

[cobalt pewter]

???

[warm scarab]

if i can get soul edge pre ml

[analog talon]

you can already get soul edge pre-ml

jared drops it

[warm scarab]

yes

that's not the intended way for you to get it

[golden narwhal]

I mean, levi and aquatic scourge exist

[warm scarab]

still

balancing

[analog talon]

but its still there

[warm scarab]

[analog talon]

a reward for defeating the monstrosity known as jared

[cobalt pewter]

Having the chance lowered at base but them dropping even pre polter would be kinda nice, but ig that's about it

[warm scarab]

ye

but

lower droprates

if not then no one will ever kill polter

[analog talon]

that's why I said pre-ml

once your post-ml you can slap on abyssal diving suit and murder everything you see

[safe oasis]

ok but then what’s stopping you from just making a new world and killing shit there pre polter

(when you’re already postml in main)

[analog talon]

world hopping usually isn't considered when making suggestions iirc

[cobalt pewter]

I'd say just make the weapons drop pre polter but have way lower chance before polter died?

[warm scarab]

perhaps make them unusable pre polter

[safe oasis]

then what’s the point of them dropping

[analog talon]

going through all the work to defeat one of these minibosses when everything including the biome itself wants to kill you and getting rewarded by not getting items that you would've got if you did it the easy way doesn't seem fair

[warm scarab]

hmm

[safe oasis]

ok but is it “hard” or is it “literally impossible”

there’s no way you do enough damage to live with that small amount of breath you get preml

[analog talon]

killing something that insta-kills you pre-hm that has 360k health and not getting a weapon from it is

[safe oasis]

yeah that’s if

you literally cannot

[analog talon]

yes you can?

it risky

[safe oasis]

you cannot breathe for long that far down

[warm scarab]

^

only way to do it is murasama

[safe oasis]

and then you account for having to kill the enemy that far down with the little dps you have

[analog talon]

anarchy blade can let you rng your way through iirc

[safe oasis]

feels like wasted effort

[warm scarab]

...

[analog talon]

but still effort

[safe oasis]

no i mean for the devs

i see no point in this

[warm scarab]

anachy blade doesnt' one-shot stuff that trigger calamity boss bar

iirc

[analog talon]

doesn't it one-shot any non-boss enemy

iirc the list of non-boss enemies is the same one used by null pistol

and iirc null pistol can affect those enemies

[safe oasis]

so essentially what you’re saying is make every post polter drop obtainable pre polter because you can cheese it with only one possible weapon

what a great sugg

[warm scarab]

i told you this is invalid

[safe oasis]

make post polter drops obtainable with a weapon that has a 20% chance to instantly kill post polter mobs

[warm scarab]

[whole sedge]

Yeah uh i get non linearity and such but that's just excessive

[frail mantle]

anarchy blade AEW was fixed

[earnest cape]

time to

bring reaper shark out of the water and commit hoik

[earnest cape]

@sour plinth just no

no meme suggs

delete it now

[muted osprey]

what the fuck

[sour plinth]

:|

[muted osprey]

you're gonna get ❗

[sour plinth]

i stand by my decision

[earnest cape]

no it's delete

[cobalt pewter]

What

@dapper coral what

[languid quartz]

what

[sour plinth]

ill have you know i got up to yharon in revengeance mode then gave up

[earnest cape]

and

how is it relevant

[sour plinth]

my opinion has much more weight than yours

[wooden wedge]

@sour plinth no meme Suggs please

[cobalt pewter]

Uh

[sour plinth]

make slime related chats

[wooden wedge]

No

[hot zephyr]

[earnest cape]

No.

[sour plinth]

PLEASE I BEG

[cobalt pewter]

Those red peeps nohitted all cal bosses

[wooden wedge]

No.

[earnest cape]

Perish

[cobalt pewter]

So idk what you're bragging for

[earnest cape]

indeed

[wooden wedge]

Just go to cmt tbh

[cobalt pewter]

true

[earnest cape]

:tru:

[sour plinth]

i beat rev IN expert mode so just get to my level before you say my opinion has no value

[earnest cape]

cool

now cease

[distant vault]

POWER

[earnest cape]

so when someone dumb dumb in sugg ping:
demik
brav
jhinstone(I guess)

[sour plinth]

one day when i become hokage of this server and make it all slime related you will eat your words

[distant vault]

what

[earnest cape]

obliterate this person

[wooden wedge]

Can you just stop

[void kelp]

yo, please,

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah this has been dragged out long enough

[void kelp]

🥺 we don't want to punish you for being unfunny

[cobalt pewter]

Don't need to make this place lose more braincells

[void kelp]

anyways uhhh

is rework rage a viable suggestion still

[cobalt pewter]

h

[earnest cape]

[sour plinth]

you talk about rip off minecraft dont say that this place had braincells to begin with

[cobalt pewter]

ok

[earnest cape]

@wooden wedge

[warm scarab]

you know what, someone need to do it

[wooden wedge]

@sour plinth final warning. stop.

[muted osprey]

you're no better for being here

[wooden wedge]

you too

there's no need for this to continue

i just wanna watch yt

[muted osprey]

ok

[tawny garden]

jaja

[sour plinth]

one day you better believe it

[earnest cape]

never

[warm scarab]

[muted osprey]

jhin's yt privileges are gone

[tawny garden]

I kinda don't understand the premise of the last sugg
Do you want a reward for you when you find a glitch/broken combo or smth?

[earnest cape]

then you get p90

[hearty yew]

I don't think "rework rage" is a valid suggestion when an entire scheduled and completed rage rework is sitting in #changelogs.

Like

[warm scarab]

[hearty yew]

We just did that. nobody has even played with it yet, how could we possibly rework it again?

[warm scarab]

it's already done

sugging rage rework be like: "your sugg is done before you posted it"

[earnest cape]

yeah no more rage suggs sadly

[hearty yew]

why is that sadly

[distant vault]

they're funny

[hearty yew]

Do you miss them for some reason

[warm scarab]

i really want to sugg about item internal ids

they suck

[earnest cape]

my brain is being soup

[hearty yew]

Do you think the rage rework we executed was insufficient?

[warm scarab]

they doesn't match the in game item name

[earnest cape]

so apologies

[frail mantle]

vanilla ones or calamity ones

[warm scarab]

calamity ones

[hearty yew]

give examples

[warm scarab]

voiddragon

is still named megafleet in game files

[hearty yew]

because I can fix all of them in 1.4

Okay

Do you know what happens if I rename it?

[warm scarab]

[hearty yew]

Every Voidragon in the everyone's worlds and characters disappears forever

:)

[warm scarab]

WTF

[hearty yew]

So

[warm scarab]

no rename i suppose

[hearty yew]

Do you want me to rename it?

Yeah. This is why we don't.

[warm scarab]

that's some effect

[languid quartz]

[cobalt pewter]

Ozz I'm pretty sure "rage rework" was a joke

[warm scarab]

[cobalt pewter]

Regarding Philo's "rework Rage" sugg that got to 285 stars for some reason

[hearty yew]

TML 1.4 adds a system that lets you internally rename items without obliterating save files, so we'll fix EVERYTHING when we get there.

[warm scarab]

[hearty yew]

No more MLGRune2

[warm scarab]

fix that in 1.4 pls

[warm scarab]

[hearty yew]

or DraedonBar

[potent ferry]

[cobalt pewter]

nooo, my MLGRune2

[hearty yew]

or Judgment

or uh

[cobalt pewter]

But seems like an interesting change iirc

[hearty yew]

well I could keep going but I'd be here a while.

[warm scarab]

purge

nano purge's internal name doesn't have "nano"

[hearty yew]

CalamitasInferno

VirulentKatana (though to be fair you can guess this one.)

basically all of pbg's items

[warm scarab]

what a great sugg

@sour plinth you need a sugg title and you have to bold it

but

[earnest cape]

bolding it is not a requirement

[sour plinth]

cool

i win

[warm scarab]

ye that

but

your main reasoning is "cool"

:KILL:

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

@sour plinth make a proper sugg with a proper title and structure, and reason

[warm scarab]

^

[sour plinth]

it does sound cooler does it not?

[earnest cape]

refer to previous suggs for reference.

and "because it's cool" is not a reason

[warm scarab]

yes, but "because it's cool" is invalid

[sour plinth]

they didnt change stats or the purpose of it so i think that it still should be called mana overloader because that sounds kinda magicy and cool but not too hard to hard like polarizer

[earnest cape]

.

[sour plinth]

i made good

[earnest cape]

"because it's cool" is not a valid reason

[sour plinth]

why

its cool enough to be valid

[reef moat]

is it really that hard to understand why

[earnest cape]

read the "don'ts" doc will ya?

[reef moat]

oh right I have this nickname

here lemmi throw a crutch

[sour plinth]

good now :)

cant wait for this to be fixed

[earnest cape]

....does anyone even use mana polarizer past wof?

[cobalt pewter]

[warm scarab]

me

[earnest cape]

what is this reasoning

[sour plinth]

me

[warm scarab]

i use it if i can't get emblem

that's all

wtf everyone just stopped typing :fear:

[sour plinth]

i probably would use it on yharon but i got it so long ago i dont feel like that would fit progression or something so i just give up on it and use someting with a better name or a cooler sprite

[warm scarab]

you use something just because it's cool?
end of discussion i suppose

[sour plinth]

and makes me feel better about using it so it improves my overall performance using the item

[earnest cape]

@dapper coral come over here you've sold your soul to sugg

[warm scarab]

i'm just about to do it but ty mis

[dapper coral]

uh

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

sugg posting

[sour plinth]

what

[reef moat]

Change the mana polarizer back to being called mana overloader
I say the Mana Polarizer be reverted back to being called Mana Overloader. There was no need to change the name, as there have been no changes to stats or anything else. Not only is the name change useless, it also serves to confuse certain individuals at times, especially for those who are used to it being called the Mana Overloader.

or something

keep in mind I haven't played any time recently

[sour plinth]

i fixed the format

[reef moat]

and I'm also no expert in sugmas

[dapper coral]

renaming an item because you think it sounds cooler is not a good reason

and it's been polarizer for months

[sour plinth]

and makes me feel better about using it so it improves my overall performance using the item

[dapper coral]

what does that even mean

[reef moat]

since when were mods purple?

[earnest cape]

thats your thing

im pretty sure no one else feels that way

[sour plinth]

i can fight bosses better and i feel like others would as well

[earnest cape]

thats subjective

[sour plinth]

every suggestion is subjective

[dapper coral]

firstly i'm pretty sure 99% of people don't even use mana polarizer in late hardmode let alone post-ml

[warm scarab]

no

[dapper coral]

so that's not valid, really

[sour plinth]

thats why there is a vote

[earnest cape]

that's an entirely different thing.

[warm scarab]

the voting is subjective, the suggestion itself is not

[sour plinth]

wym how

[dapper coral]

and secondly there's a certain extent to which you can be subjective
you can be subjective when there is an arguable premise

[cobalt pewter]

You still need to abide to the rules before you can do anything

[dapper coral]

this is not

[warm scarab]

can you not understand democracy

[dapper coral]

this is a you thing

and nobody else

[warm scarab]

if not then cease

[earnest cape]

❗ ?

[sour plinth]

its arguable because people can decide if changing the name of the item would help them or not

[dapper coral]

that's not arguable because it's completely negligible

you are the only person who feels that way

an arguable premise implies that there is a two-sided argument

this is not

[sour plinth]

if an item is not cool then i would not do better with it

why do late game items shoot cool fireworks if there is no point

im right

[dapper coral]

...what?

[distant vault]

huh?

[warm scarab]

you mean proficiency

[sour plinth]

i fight for the people who like cool items

[warm scarab]

i suppose...?

[distant vault]

this isn't a "cool item", this is changing a name

[warm scarab]

^

[dapper coral]

in case you haven't been told already, "cool" is not a valid reason here

[sour plinth]

it would be wayy easier to not have cool weapon and equipment sprites but they do it anyway because it is cool

same with names

[leaden rampart]

smh

[warm scarab]

[dapper coral]

both of your points are completely irrelevant
a) other name was cooler = invalid reason
b) using it past ml = no one does that anyways because there are better accessories, that's completely moot

[sour plinth]

its more balanced because i dont want to use dumb sounding items like mana polarizer

and neither do others

[warm scarab]

if you don't want to, you can choose to not use it

[earnest cape]

wh

[warm scarab]

sorry but i don't care about item names

[sour plinth]

its not just me

[reef moat]

others don't wanna use it cause it's outclassed

[distant vault]

this is a single opinion

[warm scarab]

^

you can't represent the people

[distant vault]

and if it was multiple people

[dapper coral]

right, ima just shut this down now
you're clearly not listening to what we are saying

[distant vault]

it is a minority

[earnest cape]

good

[dapper coral]

i'm going to remove the sugg, and we're not going to continue talking about it

[distant vault]

great

[warm scarab]

[dapper coral]

now cease

[sour plinth]

not necessarily true, some people use worse items on hard bosses for challenge and its better to have those items to still look cool for those players

[reef moat]

funny you say that to me

[earnest cape]

now stop before you dig even deeper into your grave

[warm scarab]

^

[dapper coral]

if you continue, that'll be a warn

[sour plinth]

ok mom

[earnest cape]

they're warned already

[sour plinth]

wym

i wasnt warned?

[earnest cape]

my memory is dying

[distant vault]

heuh

[unkempt heath]

Aight

So before I post, is Marked debuff getting worked on at all?

[warm scarab]

the one from marked magnum and lunic eye?

no i suppose

[sour plinth]

why is that funny i dont get it

[distant vault]

hueh

[unkempt heath]

I can't word things for the life of me

Marked is OP and all but nothing can even get effected by it

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

ey suggs are going through

[frail mantle]

aren't the lower layers only meant to be explored by the time abyss minibosses are a challenge and not just a wall doe

[earnest cape]

you could just avoid layer 4 and onwards

[hollow shell]

@cold cosmos You know the whole point of the lower layers is that they aren't easy to survive?

[golden narwhal]

Yea, it'd also make it seem (to a new player) that the terminus is an early-hardmode esque item

And, uh, we'd know how that would turn out

[earnest cape]

fighting boss rush prehm

[warm scarab]

thing is they spawn on layer 2-3

[hollow shell]

Not 2

[warm scarab]

rly

then nvm

perhaps they just swum up

[earnest cape]

no not really

giant squid is cheesable with the existance of b l o c k s

[warm scarab]

ok what

[warm scarab]

yes

jaja

[tawny garden]

Never understood the idea of splitting the Abyss into tiers if it's so non-linear

[cobalt pewter]

Probably a lot more abstract to reference depth levels if you're using actual depth instead of depth tiers

[tawny garden]

Progression tiers, I mean

[earnest cape]

@drowsy plank share opinions here

[warm scarab]

[cobalt pewter]

Wrong channel yes

[warm scarab]

he clicked wrong channel i suppose

[earnest cape]

just delete the message

[drowsy plank]

The lower levels are supposed to be hard right?

Like really hard?

(Also sorry)

[crude geode]

Yeah the lower levels of the abyss are meant to be difficult.

Which is why the sugg is exclaimed.

Also doesn’t psycho knife already have it’s damage upped.

(When compared to vanilla)

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme check rq

[drowsy plank]

I saw someone beat the Duke with a psychos knife

[frail mantle]

yea psycho knife is buffed in clam

[crude geode]

It’s stealth hit deals the same as a vanilla sniper rifle

[crude geode]

Higher really

[frail mantle]

(value on the far right is vanilla base damage/stealth damage)

[earnest cape]

isn't it like better to just spam attack with psycho knife instead of charging its stealth

[cobalt pewter]

I was about to mention yea

[crude geode]

idk what funky math resulted in the stealth strike damage

[cobalt pewter]

+300%

[crude geode]

Just make the stealth strike deal rogue damage

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

inb4 don’t

[cobalt pewter]

Also uh, the reworked rogue stealth damage formula basically uses stealth regen as well as use time

[crude geode]

Weird

[cobalt pewter]

And from what I seen on that page Psycho stealth isn't changed in any way, meaning you'd still better off going for spamming the weapon

[crude geode]

Well, tbfh I think the sugg is valid as long as the reasoning is changed to mention the main damage of the weapon outclassing the stealth mode, even though that function of psycho knife is getting erased with 1.4

The stealth damage is pretty high for it’s tier, it just is clunky and outclassed immensely by the main fire.

I personally wouldn’t change it if I was a dev, Bc like it would just be useless work due to 1.4 removing it

and nobody cares about it

[cobalt pewter]

1.4 removing it?

[earnest cape]

you mean this or

[crude geode]

Could have sworn Psycho Knife just straight up doesn't have the stealth effect anymorre

[earnest cape]

thinkies

[crude geode]

damn

how odd.

[cobalt pewter]

Do note Psycho stealth is built up when not attacking qnd moving

[crude geode]

~~that said, I hate it's stealth mechanic. Just more of melee stealing from rogue ~~

[crude geode]

this sugg is guaranteed to not be liked tbfh

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure they won't do things 1.4 vanilla already did

[crude geode]

See: Nurse Price Increase throughout Progression.

"352 - The Rev+ increased Nurse price as you progress now applies to all modes (will be removed in 1.4 anyway because 1.4 has this feature)."

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

indeed

[cobalt pewter]

Regardless of 1.4, yeaaaaaaaaaah I'm pretty sure this sugg won't get anywhere

[crude geode]

yeah

people love to not spend time messing with souls of night/light and I can't really say I blame them. Evil mimics are the only new thing ~~with not even normal chests to compensate ~~ besides them so exploration isn't really a thing.

[fossil finch]

me using reduced grinding to have the soul drop chance at 100% and never using ks farm anyways

[crude geode]

imagine using other mods while playing calamity to enhance your experience instead of searching through 50 different chests to get auric tesla bar materials

[fossil finch]

i do also love having a worse and more tedious experience you are right

[crude geode]

I don't know how people can stand not having magic storage. It's nice to have all these named chests but also no.

[crude geode]

@zenith hazel Does my most recent suggestion look fine? I’m aware 1.4 stuff is kinda ech, but also this changelog exists so...

[zenith hazel]

I mean... I guess so?

[crude geode]

I’m completely aware it’s not going to go anywhere Bc it’s a nerf tbfh, I just want it put out there

[warm scarab]

[ashen warren]

but like

cheese is good

tasty

[inner lark]

Would it be a good idea for the blade staff to be used as a crafting material for the dazzling stabbed staff in order to reduce the grind for summoner since both weapons are similar in design and mechanics

Once tmodloader 1.4 drops, of course

[cobalt pewter]

Future content sugg?

P sure that's a don't iirc

[tawny garden]

Yeah

[inner lark]

What does iirc mean

[eternal escarp]

if i recal correctly

[inner lark]

Ah that makes sense

[tawny garden]

No need to be so undecisive

It's a don't

[distant gyro]

and the actual answer is no because

1. boss drops don't randomly get recipes
2. what mechanic is it similar to again?

[tawny garden]

Imagine

Imagine Moon Lord drop recipes

[safe oasis]

why do perf weapons even have recipes

theres no need for the blood sample thing to exist

same with whatever equivalent for hive mind

[warm scarab]

any comments on this sugg

[distant gyro]

to distract you from the fact that the two bosses barely have anything relevant except aerialite

[eternal escarp]

shit thats true

[warm scarab]

i have another sugg

more

there's literally too little on this list

[eternal escarp]

is there?

[warm scarab]

where's aerialite

for an instance

[distant gyro]

I think this might be fixed in the mass killing

[warm scarab]

wdym

[distant gyro]

the potion selling hell also included some potion changes

[warm scarab]

[distant gyro]

for example soaring pots now require 1 soul of flight

[warm scarab]

wtf

[tawny garden]

Fucking-
I literally wanted to say "HamburgerBoi is slowly becoming a more proper Feedza 2.0"

[distant gyro]

change 251

[safe oasis]

feedza but ❗ farmer

[tawny garden]

[distant gyro]

#changelogs message

farming ❗

[tawny garden]

I mean, it still applies for stuff like Lifeforce

[safe oasis]

you can get lifeforce prehm anyway

[eternal escarp]

i mean you can get lifeforce from draedon labs anyways

[tawny garden]

True

[eternal escarp]

it is limited, blike

will you ever use more then 6 untill HM? assuming you only ever found 1 lab

[cobalt pewter]

I swear I thought I got another ❗ for a reason other than patron inactivity

[distant gyro]

you can get lifeforce from a few sources

[safe oasis]

you can get them from draedon chests, hell chests, and hell pots

[warm scarab]

you forgot abyss treasure

[distant gyro]

and sulphur/abyss pots

[safe oasis]

iirc tbf tbh imo ngl

[analog talon]

photosynthesis isn't hardmode you can get it from the hive planetoids

[tawny garden]

You did
8 months ago

[warm scarab]

what

[distant gyro]

also true

[tawny garden]

Stupid mobile aa

[distant gyro]

you can get cadance from hive planetoids too

balanced

[tawny garden]

m

[analog talon]

fab's vodka is the only hardmode potion that blood orbs can make that you can't get pre-hardmode

that doesn't require other ingredients than just blood orbs

[safe oasis]

wait so cirrus is a prehm npc? 😳

[sharp prism]

no

[eternal escarp]

no

[analog talon]

no

[eternal escarp]

it needs to be HM too iirc

[sharp prism]

it has to be hardmode as well

[safe oasis]

damn

got rejected 3 separate times

[tawny garden]

[analog talon]

we can't use the weightless candle on king slime

[tawny garden]

get in from a diff world

or cheat sheet it in

[distant gyro]

@warm scarab remember to change the photosynthesis example because of 1.5 changes
also your last point does not belong, that's a tangent

[eternal escarp]

also it says cadence?

which is HM anyways iirc

since love potions need an hallow biome fish i think?

[fossil finch]

no they

Cadance spawns on beehive planetoids

as said by the sugg

[distant gyro]

Love - no major uses Inferno - naturally found, made phm by cal's slurper pole Teleportation - naturally found Lifeforce - naturally found Cadance - naturally found Photosynthesis - naturally found, recipe changed next update Soaring - recipe changed next update Crumbling - recipe changed next update Fabsol's Vodka - completely hardmode w/o blorbs

[fossil finch]

ye

[distant gyro]

status on all "hardmode" potions that can be crafted with blorbs

[eternal escarp]

it just said planetoids so i thought he meant the lifeforce, my bad then lel

[tawny garden]

ohhh, that's what "blorbs" meant

[distant gyro]

blorb.

[ancient crow]

cadance pot spawns naturally as chest loot?

or does that just mean that it's components all do

[safe oasis]

cadance does

[ancient crow]

oh huh

guess i've just been unlucky then

[distant gyro]

the pool for hive chest pots are lifeforce, regen, mana regen, heartreach, cadance, photosynthesis (1/6 for each pot)

[frail mantle]

more Arsenal weapons would be cool and all but there's a problem in the way the weapons are organized

[tawny garden]

one weapon for each tier and each damage type

[frail mantle]

you know how there's five different colors the small lights on the weapons can have, one weapon for every class and five tiers of arsenal weapons

yea the arsenal weapons are organized in such a way that every class has one of each color and there's one of each color on every tier

[crystal cedar]

ahhhh

[eternal escarp]

i think it was said no more arsenal weapons will be added anyway iirc

[cobalt pewter]

TL;DR: you can't add or change the type or Arsenal weaps

[crystal cedar]

maybe it could drop from one of draedons exos then

[frail mantle]

meaning that adding more arsenal weapons would require reorganizing all the other weapons

the Exo mechs won't drop arsenal weapons

[eternal escarp]

thats suggesting future content and they wont drop arsenal themed weapons anyways ye

[frail mantle]

arsenal weapons are specifically old and rusty designs

[crystal cedar]

yea ik but it doesnt necessarily have to be arsenal themed

[tawny garden]

uhh

[frail mantle]

the exo mechs are sleek and new, and are essentially the zenith of draedon's engineering

[tawny garden]

isn't that what you're asking for

[cobalt pewter]

zenith

Giggity

[crystal cedar]

yea but honestly any kind of railgun i'd be fine with

[frail mantle]

yes i used the name of the funny sword

[tawny garden]

an Arsenal weapon not being Arsenal themed is weird as fuck

[grim tusk]

Also titanium railgun already exists

[crystal cedar]

true

[frail mantle]

making a new class is a don't

[cobalt pewter]

Yoyos are already a subclass?

[unkempt heath]

Perhaps

But

[earnest cape]

the title and the reasoning is contradictory

[unkempt heath]

Yo-yo damage > Melee

[cobalt pewter]

?????

[tawny garden]

Uh

[frail mantle]

(and yes, this counts as creating a new class because it'd mean new accessories, new weapons, new armor sets, possibly new buffs etc.)

[crystal cedar]

i think a yoyo class could be cool- maybe a full yoyo playthrough

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah that's plain don't

[tawny garden]

Yeah no

[earnest cape]

Make Yo-Yos their own weapon class

So why not just make yoyo's their own subclass

[tawny garden]

It also makes no sense

[cobalt pewter]

Blame Red for shoving product placement subclass into melee

[eternal escarp]

its a subclass, not a full class
they wont be a full class

[unkempt heath]

Well I'm sorry I can't word

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

turn off reply pings please

[cobalt pewter]

No

[errant stump]

ngl Yoyos feel extremely underwhelming compared to other melee weapons. The yoyo bag doesn't really make up for the difficulty + damage tradeoff IMO

[unkempt heath]

No

[earnest cape]

die

[unkempt heath]

That's what I'm saying

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

exactly because its a subclass, its not supposed to be 100% viable

[errant stump]

i didnt touch a single yoyo in my melee playthrough, there are just better weapons. using a yoyo feels agonizing

[cobalt pewter]

Yoyos in HM onwards are balanced around having Yoyo Glove / Yoyo Bag

[unkempt heath]

The only yoyo that really does anything at this point is Oracle

Which is its own tier of bullshit

[sleek turret]

yoyos on hm+ are basically viable with yoyo bag.

[urban terrace]

why use sword when can have yoyo

[errant stump]

but the thing is yoyobag feels like a waste of an accessory

at least, imo

[cobalt pewter]

?

[earnest cape]

?

[cobalt pewter]

Really? It's a really strong accessory for yoyos

[sleek turret]

other than that is basically that they are Not Viable (i'm looking at you Lacerator).

[frail mantle]

yoyo bag is basically mandatory for yoyo usage

[cobalt pewter]

The yoyo glove aspect basically makes you have 2 of the same yoyo out at the same time

[errant stump]

i guess you could go through and just focus on using yoyos the whole playthrough but there are better accessories if you're going for straight survivability and dps

[cyan lagoon]

everyone and their mother already said it but

[unkempt heath]

Yoyo bag being mandatory cuts into other melee builds

[frail mantle]

unless you're using the terrarian, in which case iirc yoyo bag hurts more than it helps

[eternal escarp]

oh didnt even think of the fact it counts as a new class entirely yeah

[unkempt heath]

Aight lemme just toss it then, my bad

[cobalt pewter]

Blame Red (again) for making Yoyo Glove stupid op HM yoyos had to be balanced around it existing

[earnest cape]

according to the terraria wiki the yoyo glove just clones the yoyo basically doubling your damage output

how is that useless

[sleek turret]

depends on the yoyo though.

[errant stump]

just feels weaker and harder to use honestly

[earnest cape]

there isn't even any draw back, just adds another yoyo

[unkempt heath]

Regardless, yo-yo just... Needs to be smthn else.

[cobalt pewter]

I would sugg a yoyo glove rebalance but that'd take way too many efforts to rebalance HM yoyo onwards just for that

[grim tusk]

Yea yoyo bag working can be easily checked with oracle, oracle does the same dps as ark non bag, and with bag it fucking deletes scal

[cobalt pewter]

[errant stump]

the terrarian is like the only yoyo i was particularly interested in but otherwise they are super lame

[earnest cape]

yoyos more like

p2w

[sleek turret]

^

[cobalt pewter]

Yoyos more like

Product placement

[errant stump]

maybe just add more yoyos or another yoyo accessory rather than a whole class

[earnest cape]

funny

[urban terrace]

just give yoyo bag an upgrade or something

[errant stump]

make yoyos more of a pronounced subclass

[unkempt heath]

I'd be more down to this overall

[earnest cape]

yeah but the thing is

[sleek turret]

yoyos are p2w after moon lord because at that point yoyos exceed the 1366x768 resolution.

[earnest cape]

it's a subclass

[unkempt heath]

Because all Yo-Yos get are Yo-Yo bag

[earnest cape]

nothing more

[errant stump]

yeah thats fine

but as a subclass, it feels underwhelming and can be entirely overlooked if you dont really find interest in using yoyos compared to the super awesome and cool ordinary melee weapons

[unkempt heath]

It's in the same vein as having guns have sniper scope which only effects guns and quiver only affect arrows not bullets

[errant stump]

visually, yoyos are really uninteresting

[cyan lagoon]

heres the thing though..

[unkempt heath]

And by only effect guns I mean the useless ass zoom

[sleek turret]

yep.

[cyan lagoon]

(granted this is almost 11 months old)

[languid quartz]

that should have gotten through just for the quote

[earnest cape]

oh god

[sleek turret]

yo-ing.

[earnest cape]

was that from the days of SIS

[cobalt pewter]

bam

[frail mantle]

it wasn't

[cobalt pewter]

Wasn't SIS banned along with suggbot era start?

[grim tusk]

Looks like it but wot

[earnest cape]

i should read the timeline again

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

byech

[unkempt heath]

RIP Yo-Yo

[frail mantle]

SIS ban happened before #suggestions-posting existed

[unkempt heath]

What's SIS?

[cyan lagoon]

specific items

aka 90% of pre-2020 suggestions

[sleek turret]

specific item suggestion.

[tawny garden]

Read the doc

[frail mantle]

[earnest cape]

thinkies

[frail mantle]

i take partial blame for the SIS ban

[tawny garden]

Asking "what's sis" clearly shows that you haven't read the doc

[earnest cape]

indeed

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

(Also sis ban is 30th july 2019)

[cobalt pewter]

I coulda suggested exo balls if I existed before SIS ban

Smh

[cyan lagoon]

good god no

[earnest cape]

lmfao

[cyan lagoon]

auric tier spiky balls were a nightmare already

[tawny garden]

Good thing that you can't

[cobalt pewter]

[distant gyro]

you wouldn't suggested exo balls back then anyway because spiky ball variations++ didn't exist

[cobalt pewter]

Sad!

[frail mantle]

i don't think stealth even existed back then

[languid quartz]

poor feedzuh

[cobalt pewter]

h

[frail mantle]

feedzuj

[languid quartz]

yknow what

I can't type

[earnest cape]

good

[languid quartz]

leaving discord

[tawny garden]

Did rogue exist back then

[cobalt pewter]

that happens

[frail mantle]

rogue did yes

[tawny garden]

Aight

Balancing sugg

[cobalt pewter]

To be fair they haven't started pre ML balancing (which is the spot with the most yoyos) yet

byeh

[tawny garden]

They will do it eventually™️

[cobalt pewter]

Seeing yoyos being at least viable without yoyo bag would be nice

[unkempt heath]

I have, I just never heard of SIS

And my bad for getting overly excited and forgetting the doc

[tawny garden]

alright

[wooden quartz]

Why am I seeing suggestions about stuff that was fixed in Vanilla 1.4? I get that Draedon is going to come out before 1.4, but having the Devs fix something that they'll have to undo or work around again in 1.4 seems silly.

[cobalt pewter]

This part is confusion yes

[cyan lagoon]

likely because tml 1.4 has no eta

it could take another year max for tml to have full 1.4 compatibility

[wooden quartz]

That's a depressing thought, makes sense though

[unkempt heath]

Also because some people probably just don't play vanilla to know about those changes