suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

idk why he doesn’t check first before posting

[earnest cape]

[sharp prism]

[warm scarab]

i see

[fossil finch]

he asked

[tawny garden]

Amber is busy

[tawny garden]

oh god

that would be kinda weird

to have popup dialog boxes in terraria

[cobalt pewter]

No like

I gave an example

[tawny garden]

did I misunderstand

[safe oasis]

dog already does

[cobalt pewter]

It's not dialogue boxes town NPC style

[frail mantle]

it's already done by for example DoG or the janitor from MoR

[cobalt pewter]

It's closer to DoG's when you take damage from head or tail ye, I don't have a gif

[fossil finch]

all bosses with dialogue from MoR*

[cobalt pewter]

I think the funni AA mod has some too

Actually the entirety of its HM and pML bosses have pop up dialogues

I think

[fossil finch]

Indeed

They do

It's 100% cooler than using Terraria's chat

[tawny garden]

fuck, I haven't fought DoG in at least 9 months, including testing stuff

[fossil finch]

That's super old age

[tawny garden]

I need to look at that

[buoyant idol]

He wants a change to a patron item without asking the owner.

[cobalt pewter]

I did ask

Jesus

[buoyant idol]

Oh

[tawny garden]

immediately as he posted

[cobalt pewter]

Amber is just busy yes

[buoyant idol]

Oh

[cobalt pewter]

It's been like, the 2nd ❗ with the same issue

The first one was about Dumbbell

[tawny garden]

I think the Dumbbell sugg died

[cobalt pewter]

True

[tawny garden]

the patron didn't respond

[cobalt pewter]

Sad

[sharp prism]

.

[safe oasis]

imagine being busy and not constantly checking discord

[buoyant idol]

Lets hope they do as I like the idea of the sugg

[safe oasis]

smh

[tawny garden]

can anyone post here a gif of DoG's dialog stuff, I'm too demotivated to open terraria

[sharp prism]

not posting a gif

[tawny garden]

ohh

shit ok I take my words back

[earnest cape]

God floating text appearing when fighting scal will be so distracting

[safe oasis]

its distracting in text chat too

[earnest cape]

Assuming they're gonna be relatively the same as dog's meaning they're gonna stay there and move a bit woll really be distracting

Chat really doesn't get distracting much since it just pops up and does nothing special

Sure they can be distrating but not too much

[cobalt pewter]

Hence why I took conditions that are the least intrusive

[fossil finch]

Just make it a toggle (like mor) so you people whoever thinks it's distracting does not cry

[earnest cape]

[safe oasis]

ah yes

if bad suggestion just make it a toggle so its optional

[tawny garden]

just make the entire dialogue toggleable

[safe oasis]

[tawny garden]

[sharp prism]

just make scal toggleable smhmh

[tawny garden]

isn't she already a Superboss

[robust lava]

Nearly every sugg that is about something that doesn't seem that well thought through always end with "Make it a toggle so people don't have to if they don't want to"

[fossil finch]

It's not bad tho smh mh

[tawny garden]

at least until 1.5 comes out

[fossil finch]

Can't every two blue moons something visually attractive be introduced
That's also gameplay
Anyways the sugg is not mine so

[tawny garden]

I'm visually attractive

[sharp prism]

....sure

[robust lava]

what a shame we have no clue what you look like

[tawny garden]

[robust lava]

Anyway, if they've already changed the dialogue for DoG, is there a chance that this may already be happening to SCal along with hooman sprite?

[fossil finch]

Let's make the game be in 1x1 so nothing distracts you from the boss and projectiles on a bossfight

Yes there is

I believe they will
reason i asked this on #draedon-update-talk, leading feed to sugg this unintentionally

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

Feelschungus

[sharp prism]

:feelschung

[earnest cape]

Gee i wonder

[cobalt pewter]

Gee.

[safe oasis]

DoT rebalance sugg 😳

[cobalt pewter]

It's less of DoT rebalance and more of buff rebalance

Both do similarly at glance, but Inferno is plain bad beside Tesla

[earnest cape]

Yeh

[tawny garden]

balancing sugg

[earnest cape]

[warm olive]

brimstone elemental lore exists

but everyone forgot about that lol

[tawny garden]

the effects are disappearing anyway

[cobalt pewter]

It doesn't do much iirc

And effect is gone too ye

[earnest cape]

Mmyes you bring up the only thing that makes it "better" that is way past when you can get them both

You jnow something's up when that happens

And the fact that tesla is still better even with brim lore iirc is funny

[tawny garden]

jnow

[earnest cape]

Shut up im on mobile

[safe oasis]

could format it better tbh

feels very rambly

maybe split it up into paragraphs?

[sleek turret]

uhh

wiki suggs could go at #wiki-discussion right?

[cyan lagoon]

@steady delta did you accidentally submit?

[grim tusk]

yes

[cyan lagoon]

that too ^^^

[steady delta]

wait

Im new

fuck

[cyan lagoon]

nah nah it's fine

for wiki concerns you should use #wiki-discussion

[sleek turret]

yeah

and also about chronological order though, its a lot more complicated so we decide to make it to alphabetical which is a billion times more easier and simple.

[languid quartz]

thank you storm

good sugg 10/10

loved the reasoning

[grim tusk]

yes i accidentally pressed enter

[earnest cape]

thanks you storm

[languid quartz]

oh fuck he spoiled the next sugg

[glass sentinel]

storm

smh

[hot zephyr]

That's all we need to know

Boys, girls, theydies and gentlethems, prepare your stars.

[earnest cape]

[grim tusk]

ok now its done

[sleek turret]

hmm

i'd like see boomstick be on post-EoC honestly.

after Queen Bee its kinda usable on Skeletron but there's a lot of better options to use against it.

[crude geode]

Is beam sword used for anything?

[earnest cape]

that would make it a SIS

uh

i think so lemme pull up the wiki

[sleek turret]

its used on a post-ml sword I forgot the name

[pine star]

Solstice Claymore iirc

[dapper coral]

^

[crude geode]

Wacky

[pine star]

Solstice Claymore does ok dps

[earnest cape]

ye

[sleek turret]

mimic drops are rng bs but less importantly but not bad to note is ice mimic ones

[earnest cape]

i don't think ice mimic drops goes into anything

[sleek turret]

they don't iirc

they're, just there.

[crude geode]

What tf are ice mimics

[earnest cape]

in d e e d

[sleek turret]

mimics but with especial drops such as weapons

[crude geode]

Why do they need to go into something tho, just let them exist and be decent weapons.

Not everything needs to craft into something else

[pine star]

yeah

But honestly, I kinda actually want to use Ice Bow and Frostbrand

But farming for them is hell

[sleek turret]

I mean yeah, you could spend more than 10 minutes grinding on a cavern layer with zerg for an item, or just well, craft it instead of doing that.

[crude geode]

myes make everything craftable

[earnest cape]

i think the problem is cursed is that the ice mimic drops are not worth it to even farm for since ice mimics are so rare and plus the loot is very weak

hope that's gonna change with 1.5 rebalancing

I hope i worded that correctly

[sleek turret]

rare items could go on npc shops too instead of just making it crafteable

i.e Marrow

[earnest cape]

doesn't the skeleton merchant already sell it

[crude geode]

Don’t you already need to farm ice barrier for Auric Armor and also essence of Eleum, making ice biome a decent farm

[earnest cape]

thats

past the use of the weapon

a normal person would probably just farm for cryo key and farm cryogen for eleum

[sleek turret]

yeah

[earnest cape]

ice barrier for auric most people either get it prehm or suffer endgame

byeah making them easier to get would be appreciated

[sleek turret]

or just wish RNG for a Travelling Merchant at the right moon phase to appear.

[fair ledge]

I got it from Travelling Merchant which was cool

[crude geode]

the fact that bosses drop essences makes me annoyed
Making them craftable just kinda. ruins the point to me.

Why bother going through any effort to acquire anything when you can just craft it instead

[whole sedge]

Really I think they don't need to be craftable for ice mimic drops they just need to be more worthwhile instead, making them craftable likely would just add recipe bloat for stuff that most people will never use as well it doesn't matter how good the recipe is if the weapon's still kinda bleh nobody'll use it

[sleek turret]

is farming an effort for clicking/holding m1 or just straight up making your cavern layer to be a zone with a shitton of traps.

summoner even can just go afk for minutes and see how enemies are just killed.

[crude geode]

It’s more effort than just searching up [item name] in magic storage and acquiring it. Almost no boss drops are craftable, along with normal evil biome mimic loot. They just have craftable summons instead.

One can also take a page out of thorium’s book and make mimics summonable. Allows for easier acquisition without just making the drops craftable

[sleek turret]

tbf; if in that case about just searching up the item and crafting — the player doesn't have such materials for making it, which in-fact involves the player either going to farm these materials in first place to make it — the player will eventually farm and have the possibility of a certain enemy that drops the same loot as the loot can be crafted to spawn and have the possibility of dropping it.

[crude geode]

the last part of that hurts my brain to read and try to understand to be honest
I would just prefer something like keys of night/light for mimics over just making their drops craftable.

@grim tusk One could add reliable ways of spawning mimics, such as putting a golden key into an empty chest, which would be much healthier overall (at least to me) than adding more recipe bloat. You could even add in a jungle chest key if you wanted for things like boomstick

[grim tusk]

perhaps

but that would be a sugg for another day

[crude geode]

Ok.

[hot zephyr]

Pre-HM mimic 😳

[earnest cape]

emode be like

[cobalt pewter]

Emode b a d

[earnest cape]

indeed

[tranquil saffron]

Would it be against the rules to suggest mechanics for bosses

Like absorbing player projectiles and converting it into damage boosts/health or visual effects to blind the player, etc

Or would that be too much of a pain in the ass to code

[golden narwhal]

Based on the examples you've given, it'd vary, ig
Overall, I don't think it's a don't if the mechanics were relatively simple (rover could probably give a more firm opinion)

[dapper coral]

if they were thematically accurate and relatively simple then i think you could make a case for it that would be okay rules-wise

i'm just more curious about your reasoning

[earnest cape]

ye depends on how you word i- ^^^

[tranquil saffron]

A lot of bosses have invulnerability/high damage resistance phases like brimmy or providence, but it doesn’t matter since you can just shoot them anyways. A mechanic which punishes players for attacking them in those phases would encourage players to recognize when the bosses are in those phases and adapt accordingly

[golden narwhal]

Ah, so for those specific phases

[earnest cape]

isn't brimmy's insane defense when doing her bullethells getting killed

[golden narwhal]

Brimmy's phase will be significantly less tankier less update, so that's gone for reasoning, ig

Yea

[tranquil saffron]

Not necessarily those two bosses specifically, I was just listing examples of bosses which have periods of damage resistance

[dapper coral]

that's fair enough, i think
i would disagree for provi because a) she already has the blinding thingy and b) those invuln phases make you concentrate pretty damn hard already so you wouldn't wanna attack anyhow lol

so essentially your case is to help the player learn the fight better, which is valid

[tranquil saffron]

It could also add some life into the bosses and make the fights generally more interesting, instead of just I shoot boss and boss shoot me

[safe oasis]

would you rather them pull a biome mimic and reflect everything back at you

[tranquil saffron]

That mechanic already exists in biome mimics and that one solar pillar enemies

Some new mechanics would be cool

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes

Slash

[earnest cape]

\ moment

[tawny garden]

Important feedback

[golden narwhal]

That was not intentional, sorry

[cobalt pewter]

Also about BR, imo just making Boss Rush actually balanced around post game (instead of pre scal) would be fine to start

Enchanted Boomerang has a recipe in JE no?

[frail mantle]

it do

[earnest cape]

oh nic

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't beam sword armored skeleton drop?

I don't see making it craftable giving any merits

It's not as rare as RoD in my experience

[warm scarab]

yea

it's actually not rare at all

i grinded it up in 3 minutes without a proper farm last run

[cobalt pewter]

Boomstick can be given an alt method since it's pure chest loot

Imo doesn't need to be creaftable

[warm scarab]

fishing

wait no

arms dealer sells it in jungle

[cobalt pewter]

Probably just Armored Bones drop or smth

[warm scarab]

[cobalt pewter]

Wait wh

It does?

[warm scarab]

no

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wait

Yeyey

[warm scarab]

i'm talking about this

because it's a gun

and arms dealer sells guns

just make arms sell it in jungle

[cobalt pewter]

Basic mimics can be spawnable properly ig

Maybe like biome mimics

[warm scarab]

i was thinking

[cobalt pewter]

Golden Key + Wooden / Gold / Ice / Shadow chests

[earnest cape]

it was

[warm scarab]

about "suspicious looking gold key" from thorium or smthing

[earnest cape]

discussed earlier

[cobalt pewter]

True

[earnest cape]

tis

[cobalt pewter]

Yee

[warm scarab]

i would just do that because my mod made dungeon slimes drop an extra key randomly

as well as lockbox

[warm scarab]

RoD crafting recipe need to be revamped
5 chaos fish
fishing 3 up is already pain

[frail mantle]

rod is wacky

[cobalt pewter]

Might as well make Beam Sword drop from Cosmic Elementals in HM

[warm scarab]

i should totally add that

[cobalt pewter]

Since that's its whole purpose

[warm scarab]

to drop rare swords

[earnest cape]

getting rod should and must be hard

it's overpowered to hell

[warm scarab]

yes

how about just make it fishing loot

[dapper coral]

it me

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[cobalt pewter]

hooboo

[eternal escarp]

RoD could just have like, a change to its recipe to make it harder to get prolly

~~20 chaos fish ~~

[earnest cape]

mmyes

[crude geode]

People don’t like nerfs and this is a nerf to a specific class, what did you expect

[earnest cape]

in d e e d

[frail mantle]

it is an unfortunate truth that suggestions to inconvenience the general public will never do well

[cobalt pewter]

Blame summoner for trying to be special snowflake

[cobalt pewter]

byea

[crude geode]

Also like it kinda happens already? Since you don’t get the bonus damage from holding a weapon.

[warm scarab]

in exchange i don't need to waste souls

[eternal escarp]

10% more dmg compared to the uh, whatever it is the nerf does

[frail mantle]

50% i think?

[warm scarab]

hm

#suggestions-voting message
my first passed sugg?

[earnest cape]

a misf- im not gonna im too depressed to do this

[eternal escarp]

yeah i think the 10% buff that you dont get for the normal 100% summoner damage is not much to drive people away from forever holding RoD

[frail mantle]

plague be upon ye

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

I would have still preferred to have seen it addressed

[cobalt pewter]

True

Also how

[earnest cape]

time to

[frail mantle]

[eternal escarp]

well now its 200

wonder who

byeah

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

gee i wonder

why do I feel like my golem sugg is gonna die at like 180

[warm scarab]

which one

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-voting message ig

[warm scarab]

the tru meme one ic

171

[glass sentinel]

is this one a sis

?

[warm scarab]

@wary escarp your reasoning is... "i feels like"
no that's kill

[glass sentinel]

i dont think so

byea

[wary escarp]

xd

[glass sentinel]

the reasoning is off

[wary escarp]

lmao

uh

i was in a middle of a deus fight-

[muted osprey]

pine is cancelled

[wary escarp]

shhh

:(

i am always canceled

byeah, its opinion

[warm scarab]

also

[glass sentinel]

but you need a reason

[wary escarp]

i never give a good reason

[warm scarab]

there's almost no bee related weapons post ml

[wary escarp]

[wary escarp]

add

easy solution

[glass sentinel]

thats a no-no

[warm scarab]

i would add an upgrade to my mod
and some bee weapons

[glass sentinel]

bee weapons are hard to make unique

they all end up spawning little shits

[warm scarab]

great idea, but you should give it to me instead

[muted osprey]

bee

movie

[warm scarab]

bee summon that shoots more bees

[muted osprey]

bee which shoots bees which shoots bees

[warm scarab]

a tome that shoots non-homing bees in all directions

[glass sentinel]

so you summon a queen bee

that summons bees

wow

[warm scarab]

kinda

[muted osprey]

pls wait as I try to make that into something which will get me muted again

[wary escarp]

sick

[glass sentinel]

they all end up spawning little shits

like i said

[wary escarp]

?

[warm scarab]

a bee gun upgrade which shoots one mega bee that lasts a long time and acts kinda like destroyer gun

i have those in mind for my mod

[wary escarp]

LMAO

TOO MUCH FAM

[eternal escarp]

basically, you need an actual reason for your suggestion, "itd be cool" isnt enough sadly

[wary escarp]

uh

yes i know

i never give enough reasons

[warm scarab]

byeah if you have an "it's be cool" sugg give it to me instead

[wary escarp]

cries in not knowing how to suggest a suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

Plague Hive with The Swarmer shreds ML iirc

[warm scarab]

yeah

but there's no post ml upgrade

[cobalt pewter]

Also not all accs should be relevant way into endgame

[warm scarab]

for bee weapons

[warm scarab]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[wary escarp]

i k

[glass sentinel]

cough deific cough

[wary escarp]

LOL

[cobalt pewter]

There aren't anymore bee weapons past that stage?

[warm scarab]

it's getting nerfed

[cobalt pewter]

Like pML

[glass sentinel]

what a shame

[wary escarp]

sh-

[cobalt pewter]

Actually

[warm scarab]

and i am personally nerfing it

[glass sentinel]

[cobalt pewter]

Deific is getting retiered and reworked

[warm scarab]

wtf

[wary escarp]

i like how 1 suggestion just made this chat lively

[warm scarab]

this aian't chat

[eternal escarp]

thats how it goes

[tawny garden]

This chat is always like that

[warm scarab]

and we're going off topic

^

[glass sentinel]

as usual

[wary escarp]

how to make a good suggestion: suggest a bad suggestion then get good ideas

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

That's surprisingly not a bad way to do it

[tawny garden]

Works like that sometimes

[cobalt pewter]

[wary escarp]

wdym

[warm scarab]

[glass sentinel]

i mean a lot of suggs are from nohitters pissed off about something

and another 1/3 are from feedzuh

[crude geode]

not anymore they’re not

1/3 are from hamburger boi now

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

bootleg feedzuh

[tawny garden]

And Feedza was bootleg Thomas

[glass sentinel]

thomas wrote fucking essays for suggs

[muted osprey]

I did it

posted a sugg gamers

[glass sentinel]

just have big brain

or have a list

[eternal escarp]

the order is static tbh, if you cant remember it then like

use a list / wiki

if it was random id agree but it isnt

[tawny garden]

[[Boss Rush]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Boss_Rush

[tawny garden]

The list™️

[glass sentinel]

nO wIkI bOt In ThIs ChAnNeL

[eternal escarp]

also for the boss rush youd prolly use the same arena for almost every boss other then scal, WoF, yharon maybe and DoG ig

[muted osprey]

not everyone has time to memorize the order of 40 bosses

[tawny garden]

I don't care, shut up

[glass sentinel]

blatant abuse

[eternal escarp]

the wiki exists, and you can write a list yourself tbh

theres an easy solution you can do yourself

[cobalt pewter]

I did say a while back it's kinda useless

[tawny garden]

Btw, wiki bot's [[]] commands work in this channel, while they don't work in a lot of other channels

Cause I told Merk not to disable them

[glass sentinel]

influencing superiors

smh

added to your long list of crimes

[tawny garden]

ye

[cobalt pewter]

The biggest being source breaching smh

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

In any case last sugg can be easily mitigated by writing down the list yourself

It's not like BR order is randomized

[tawny garden]

Reminds me of a sugg to make BR randomized

[eternal escarp]

pain

[tawny garden]

iirc that one was denied

[eternal escarp]

good tbh

[muted osprey]

still

[tawny garden]

Nah, randomized if you want it to be

Is what they asked

[muted osprey]

switching tabs mid boss fights

[eternal escarp]

theres something called paper

and phones

[fair ledge]

imagine having a phone

[eternal escarp]

or actually just continuing to do the BR until the practice ingrains the order

[tawny garden]

Writing bosses on paper is kinda

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt really matter imo

the solutions are there

[tawny garden]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

dont see the reason to spoonfeed people in the BR order

[muted osprey]

why don't players just memorize what enemies come in OOA, frost moon, pumpkin moon smh my knees

[eternal escarp]

A. some do actually
B. theres no reason to anyways since the chat says it anyways, like BR (iirc)

[cobalt pewter]

There's a written chart in vanilla wiki for OOA

[eternal escarp]

C. OOA bosses always come from one side, and on the final wave iirc, which is also static like BRs (iirc? not sure)

[cobalt pewter]

Frost and Pumpkin Moon have the enemy types announced in chat, and since they'd be harder to recognize than BR bosses at glance

Actually same case for OOA too iirc

[eternal escarp]

o yeah true

[glass sentinel]

damnit

[eternal escarp]

it litterly says what comes in the wave

[glass sentinel]

feedzuh

i was typing that

[eternal escarp]

so theres no need to remember the other events since of those reasons tbh

[tawny garden]

Lorax slow

[glass sentinel]

i was writing an essay

[cobalt pewter]

[muted osprey]

for my next trick I will make a sugg to nerf old die + the wand

[tawny garden]

There's no real need to remember enemies in moon events anyway because they're all easy to kill

Apart from minibosses

[eternal escarp]

perish

[muted osprey]

that's the point yes

[glass sentinel]

balancing be like

[muted osprey]

[cobalt pewter]

Old Die is already nerfed

[glass sentinel]

[cobalt pewter]

Storm is already 20000 years ahead of ye

Either way here's OOA chart

God that's blurry

[eternal escarp]

in any case

[tawny garden]

Should've just linked to the page

[cobalt pewter]

I like unnecessarily doing things more than needed

[tawny garden]

!wiki Old One's Army#Wave chart

[red storm]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Old_One's_Army#Wave_chart

[eternal escarp]

BR really doesnt need it tbh since it has a static list, and theres enough solutions to just get ready for the next boss
if you know whats the next boss then imo, it kinda ruins it, because then you just know what to prepare for

[glass sentinel]

i literally went to #changelogs and searched ``in: #changelogs 40%

WTF

wtf just happened

i tried to put `` at the end of the message

and discord froze

twice

[frail mantle]

Cool!

[tawny garden]

Why do you do ``

A single backtick is enough

[glass sentinel]

oh it is

lmao

[tawny garden]

[glass sentinel]

what was happening then

jesus

[tawny garden]

And mobile shit doesn't parse double backtick

[winged linden]

how hard is deathmode DoG?

because revengeance dog is really easy for a post-ml boss

im guessing death mode increases its difficulty drastically

the only hard part of dog in revengeance is the 'god does not fear death' part

[crude geode]

Wrong chat?

[winged linden]

well im just planning to make a suggestion for it

[frail mantle]

Most major changes between rev and death dog is the lack of background and instakill head

[winged linden]

to make it a bit harder

[cobalt pewter]

Instakill head is also planned to be changed for 1.5

[winged linden]

what so it applies to revengenace as well?

[cobalt pewter]

Instead of instakill, 1.5 dmode dog will temporarily delete your defense and DR on head hit

And instakill head will probably be saved for master mode

[winged linden]

so should i make a suggestion to make it harder in rev?

not deathmode

[cobalt pewter]

Don't think it's needed?

Rev seems balanced enough iirc

[winged linden]

every time i've fought it ive never had trouble with it

compared to yharon provi and scal

[frail mantle]

Well difficulty is subjective

[winged linden]

i suppose

but a lot of my friends agree with me

and i've played it with three different classes

[crude geode]

Once again, difficulty is subjective

Someone who has no trouble with DoG might think Polter is the most nonsensical bullshit fight

And vice versa

[tawny garden]

Like me, pretty much

[earnest cape]

take a notepad and write the bosses down

[crude geode]

“Add an indicator for what attack SCal is doing next”

[fair ledge]

Honestly Ive never had a problem with bosses spawning awkwardly in boss rush

[sleek turret]

"Coming Up: No-Hitters nightmare - Bullet Hell 5"

[crude geode]

Like how much are you hypermaxing boss rush

[fair ledge]

I just move in circle and hold click until scal

And then after scal I continue doing the same thing

[grim tusk]

“Coming Up: The great nohit choke: Sepulcher 2”

[grim tusk]

@outer mantle suggs regarding The rock are not allowed

[zenith hazel]

also it's a meme suggestion so... deleted

[outer mantle]

sorry

[warm olive]

what was it lol

[zenith hazel]

nothing, moving on

[frail mantle]

doesn't matter

[warm scarab]

imagine first trying sep2 smh

[dense ferry]

Imagine getting to SCal

[cobalt pewter]

Wtf haguri in main

😳

[pine star]

😳

[dense ferry]

I'm on main everyday basically lmao, but I'm mostly on Gen talk

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes, one of my muted channels

😔

[warm scarab]

[warm olive]

i have all channels on mute except sugg posting/voting, draedon update and all info channels

[tawny garden]

not clear why the biome should behave in that exact way after AD is defeated

[pastel terrace]

So the astral biome is caused by Deus and the pathogen within him, right?

[cobalt pewter]

There's a saying gameplay shouldn't be super accurate to lore

I think it was said when one quirky person wanted destroyer and dog head to destroy blocks

[eternal escarp]

yes

[pastel terrace]

Well, this isn’t that bat-shit crazy, is it?

The astral biome is barely ever visited, you only ever go there to summon their bosses and maybe farm for some weapons

[tawny garden]

in fairness, the lore and the game shouldn't differ from each other a lot

though usually it's the lore that gets changed afaik

[pastel terrace]

Expanding the biome after Deus dies is both lore-accurate and a way to draw more attention to the biome

I still don’t see an issue with it

[eternal escarp]

prolly make the reason actuall gameplay then, since rn it looks like the reason is lore only

maybe like

"..to expand on the biome, instead of it feeling relevant only once or twice" or whatever idk

[pastel terrace]

Sure

There we go

[restive forum]

You could also have it expand deeper underground, and that way the underground astral theme could be used

unless it already is, idk

[tawny garden]

alright this is better now

[pastel terrace]

That’s why I said a radius around it

[eternal escarp]

the underground astral exists, although very lackluster

[restive forum]

I def agree that the astral biome should be more relevant, the music and atmosphere are too good

[pastel terrace]

I mean, most biomes are pretty lackluster

[tawny garden]

isn't it getting some use in 1.5?

or is that just in my dreams

[eternal escarp]

not sure if its gonna be used in 1.5, but i did hear it is bound to have something someday

[soft quest]

would it be a good suggestion to extend the launcher subclass to prehardmode and make them fire grenades instead of rockets?

[cobalt pewter]

That counts as a don't iirc?

[tawny garden]

no?

which one

[robust lava]

Making subclasses more viable I suppose?

[tawny garden]

I mean, so long as the suggestion isn't asking for that, I don't think so

if they just think that the subclass is underrepresented

I hate that don't, it's vague and controversial as hell

[pastel terrace]

how do u get Suggs approved

[tawny garden]

the suggestions stay in posting for a day

then they get reposted in voting, unless they have a ❗ reaction

which indicates that there's a problem with it

[eternal escarp]

that was already suggested once

so idk if its really a don't

could ask a mod

[tawny garden]

asking Rover is better

since he's the one who wrote the don't

[eternal escarp]

fair

[tawny garden]

crystyl prolly isn't the only weapon for which switching will not work

[outer mantle]

oh

the point of my idea was so that the weapon's right click function could get more use if the player choses so. this is from personal experience as i tended to forget that the weapons had multiple functions

[eternal escarp]

some legendaries prolly have their left click on purpose since the right click is wierd

[tawny garden]

shit, I forgot to get the stats

and yeah, channelled attacks are weird with right click because redcode is weird

[outer mantle]

beenaids are already well known as OP. i'm not sure how much more recognition they need

[dire loom]

true, but you only get them at 2 stages in the game, and theres not many weapons like them

they can always be nerfed and balanced

[restive forum]

If there were more bee-related items, you would want to overhaul the hive biome

[hardy dock]

Took too long to write that lmao

[glass sentinel]

thf hoe does scale

[sleek turret]

The Plague Hive is fine.

[glass sentinel]

and plague hive iirc makes many older bee weapons viable

[sleek turret]

you forgot about that 'is' on the first sentence.

[glass sentinel]

if it were moved back it would cause a lot of isues

oh yeah you also just said that it was fine

[hardy dock]

It's fine on its own

[sleek turret]

tbf plague hive could go after cultist but atleast be competent after ml by giving more damage to the bees.

[hardy dock]

But it's competing with the HoTE and Absorber

[glass sentinel]

no it isnt

[sleek turret]

Plague Keeper.

[glass sentinel]

hoe is a wide range of buffs and absorser is defense

plague is basically just dmg iirc

[sleek turret]

HoTE is an "stat stick" accesory.

Gives stats to every class.

[hardy dock]

Only if visibility is off

[glass sentinel]

its like the community

what?

no

[tawny garden]

not really

[sleek turret]

Absorber is more focused on survivality.

[glass sentinel]

gives a lot of buffs visible too

[hardy dock]

Ok I misinterpreted what "stat stick" meant there

[tawny garden]

funny that the Community's buffs are mostly worse, from what I can see

[sleek turret]

HoTE with visibility on can give you sweat 25 healing per 2 second cycle by using Heart Reach potion.

[eternal escarp]

we are getting plagued with all the bee related suggestions lately

[sleek turret]

The elementals can help on DPS, but esp. summoner.

[outer mantle]

NOT THE BEES

[sleek turret]

idk if to laugh or just die inside with your pun

[tawny garden]

both

[sleek turret]

tbf; Stat Stick accesories benefit all the classes even if they don't give something respective to the class — considering damage, crit, knockback, etc.

[eternal escarp]

didnt know that joke stung so hard

byeah

[tawny garden]

gentalk will love your puns

I'm sure of it

[eternal escarp]

i once had a full like, 20 minutes of bee and plague related puns at #calamity-mod-talk , byeach

[sleek turret]

yech

lets get back to the sugg

[hardy dock]

I appear to have had a great deal of controversial opinions on item balancing over time

[eternal escarp]

tbh shouldnt we wait with balancing stuff

[tawny garden]

if we're talking about stat stick
is Communism getting a buff? it's a legendary which buffs you less than HotE (at least partially)

[hardy dock]

I don't really know enough about that one to talk about it tbh

[sleek turret]

uhh Philo.

Communism

[tawny garden]

ye

[hardy dock]

[sleek turret]

and also I'm doing a comparision about those accesories at its "most relevant points" where there's more than 2 options i.e pre-DoG.

and also deep review on them.

[fossil finch]

implying the only reason plague hive is used is not swarmer

[tawny garden]

[tawny garden]

Since #suggestions-posting was created (20 April 2020), there were ⭐ 2503 suggestions. Of these:
✅ 766 were delivered to the dev server/mod voting
👍 426 were approved
🚫 151 were rejected
☑️ 59 were bluechecks
🏁 101 were implemented (34 of these were implemented before being delivered)

Which gives a grand total delivery rate of 30.6%,
an approval rate of 17.02% (55.61% of delivered),
and an implementation rate of 4.04% (rates: including "instant flags": 13.19% of delivered, 23.71% of approved; excluding "instant flags": 8.75% of delivered, 15.73% of approved)

Link to the previous report: #suggestions-discussion message

tl;dr everything went down

[hardy dock]

I will personally take responsibility

[tawny garden]

[safe oasis]

there are also ones that were implemented but weren’t given the flag

for example my infinity one

[tawny garden]

I believe that one was implemented independent of your suggestion

(just like my rage sugg ig)

byeah they sometimes forget

[languid quartz]

oh hey the new report is in

[tawny garden]

oh fuck he got nitro

[wooden quartz]

Just realized my old Astral Biome block count suggestion could be improved by having the blocks that make up the monolith the altar spawns on count towards the biome, but that would mean the giant monolith would need to be made of a new block that was actually Astral Biome, which would I wouldn't like since the current blocks look nice, or a copy of normal placed Astral Monolith that counted as a biome block. Not sure how well the copy of a block that functions different code wise would go over though.

[outer mantle]

the copy of a block that works as a biome block already exists with the dungeon blocks

[zenith hazel]

@plush plank fun fact, phantasmal ruin will be optimized in the next update

so while your suggestion is technically valid, it's not exactly necessary as it will already be a thing next update

[grim tusk]

@analog talon maybe not the bars but at least the ore perhaps

Cuz that reduces grinding a fuck ton for items that are supposed to take long to make

But yea good sugg

also Auric bricks when

[analog talon]

I used bars because it matches how uelibloom drops in bar form from crates

[grim tusk]

Sounds reasonable

[analog talon]

maybe give them a lower chance than the other bars to keep the long grinding aspect but giving the player an option aside from murdering 576 different creatures

[tawny garden]

yeah, ore might be better, even if it isn't consistent with Uelibloom

[tawny garden]

though you do have a point

[analog talon]

it would take longer but you can do it all in 1 spot as opposed to 15 different places

[hot zephyr]

If you use all the Auric in your world, I'll give ya $50

[tawny garden]

brb

[analog talon]

one sec lemme start a death mode defiled rune armageddon ball and chain no mount no hook no platforms no water no accessories no armor rogue playthrough

[hot zephyr]

What

[analog talon]

or I could just try to get the best reforge on my murasama by selling auric ore

[whole sedge]

anyways, using all the auric in your world is pretty rare unless you're in the hell known as multiplayer terraria but having it be renewable with a crate or slime or whatever would surely be nifty

[tawny garden]

the Goblin Tinkerer's money sucking machine is less op in 1.5

[analog talon]

can't quickly lose tons of money

[crude geode]

Expanding after Astrum Deus sounds kinda painful, because it means a biome is expanded right before the final boss of a major progression point, Moon Lord.

[sleek turret]

hmm, golden crates dropping auric bars seems very reasonable.

[hardy dock]

I mean other than the fact that it makes Provi technically not required

[sleek turret]

yeah

better for speedruns and low% memes makes atleast fishing rods like Devourer of Cods to actually be usable, unless its for crate grinding which at that point its easier to use Chaos Candle/Zerg and grind for phantoplasm and some other stuff.

[hardy dock]

But it’s not hard to like add divine geodes to the bar recipe and just add the ore to the crate

[whole sedge]

yeah i'd probably prefer just the ore be from crates as i'm pretty sure that's the only thing that's non-renewable currnetly in the recipe

[earnest cape]

close™️

oh hey our monthly report

[analog talon]

then provi would be mandatory

also you'd need to kill 15 different things

as opposed to standing in one spot and fishing for the same amount of time

gold crates are rare and auric bars could be rarer

[potent ferry]

this is our chance to shave off the guardians and provi from low%

[earnest cape]

counting low% into anything :cringe_scene:

[analog talon]

thats the only reason I said bars instead of ore

[earnest cape]

(also personal opinion: use something like luiafk/fargo mutant to make them not consumable)

[safe oasis]

luiafk does that?

[earnest cape]

Yes

its just my personal opinion if you're having trouble stocking up on plasma grenades

[warm scarab]

new sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Potions already give 0hp tho in IH?

[tranquil perch]

Yes please

[cobalt pewter]

Just don't bring potions to inventory for IH smh

[earnest cape]

.....what?

just

don't use healing potions

???

[muted osprey]

yes

[earnest cape]

it's not that hard to not press the heal button

[crude geode]

Just unbind your healing key

[earnest cape]

^

[whole sedge]

Or just don't have pots in your inventory..?

[cobalt pewter]

true

[whole sedge]

I don't see how this is a problem as if you're gonna sell your pots then just sell them or unbind your key so you don't use them

[crude geode]

@warm scarab see above

[warm scarab]

ah

[warm scarab]

how

[earnest cape]

controls

[warm scarab]

ik

how do i unbind it

:wtf:

[earnest cape]

you go here and right click it

uh

you just press the current keybind it is

so if your healing key was r left click on it and press r

[warm scarab]

ah ic

[grim tusk]

Hmm would suggesting to add Plague Hive to Amalgam be a good idea?

[pastel terrace]

Provide a reason

[muted osprey]

more effects on a shit accessory why not

[grim tusk]

Extending the usability of Amalgam and making it provide more dmg maybe idk

Amalgam is just bad

And plague hive is just used on ML and maybe providence (plague keeper or whatever that sword is called) but thats it

[pastel terrace]

It’s literally only ever used for swarmer

[tranquil perch]

Amalgam is getting buffed remember

But yea still it's pretty niche

[muted osprey]

I crafted amalgam cos void of extinction and fungal clump were good

it's really really shit

[crude geode]

amalgam suffers from the fact that the dps of it's components isn't boosted enough to matter.

2000 damage brimstone fireballs sounds nice until you realize it occurs every 8 seconds, giving it a consistent dps of 250

post-dog.

Also it's affected by the summoner penalty which greatly reduces it's usage, bc you now deal only 500 damage with the fungal clump which is unless you're summoner

[cobalt pewter]

True

[earnest cape]

it... triggers summoner penalty...

wow

[crude geode]

yep

granted it benefits from the summoner bonus then, but that's still only 1100 damage

[earnest cape]

mmyes

good accessory

[crude geode]

also it has damaged effects which is not something you generally use on a summoner

it also has to compete with other post-dog accessories which is just. not something it does well at.

[grim tusk]

Heck even current Draedon’s heart is more usuable

[muted osprey]

yeah

[crude geode]

tbfh I'd reason against that, bc draedon's heart is so cringe unless you're like deliberately inflicting the bonus debuffs onto yourself. Amalgam at least always gives you permanent 15% damage.

that said, both are cringe

[grim tusk]

The only situations drae heart is good is gaining rage before a boss and in boss rush for rage and healing between bosses

[muted osprey]

draedon's heart is good if you can't dodge

[grim tusk]

Its good on nohits too

Specially boss rush

[muted osprey]

basically THE luigi% acc

[crude geode]

no-hitters

[grim tusk]

Its like no middle ground
Good if you get hit a lot or if nor get hit at all

[distant gyro]

Amalgam is stupid but being stupid has side effects

[earnest cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512927613598302208/815468428281380864/20210228_011809.jpg

[grim tusk]

[distant gyro]

one of the stupid effects from Amalgam is that it reduces the DoT from Yharon

[earnest cape]

byeah

[distant gyro]

this is because it inherits Obsidian Rose

[earnest cape]

the lethal lava burns?

[grim tusk]

Yes

[earnest cape]

ah

[distant gyro]

ye

it reduces around 53 health from the debuff

[earnest cape]

yeah im aware

[muted osprey]

the effect should also be inherited by tracers when 1.4 tmod comes out right

cos terraspark

[grim tusk]

Lava waders even

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

Is it really relevant

The worst you'd get is like, Lethal Lava

[distant gyro]

the damage from LLB is 1/6 of a normal infernado damage

I'd say it's pretty effective

[tawny garden]

It takes an acessory slot though

[distant gyro]

for such a stupid combination of accessories

well, that's not the only effect

if it was then it would be a waste

that's enough defense for amalgam

the effects are still dumb but so are 80% of terraria's accessories

[crude geode]

[distant gyro]

[earnest cape]

lmfao

[crude geode]

honestly nerf class emblems

[earnest cape]

no

[tawny garden]

(don't bother suggesting that)

[crude geode]

you think I want to die

I would never

[tawny garden]

[crude geode]

I saw what happened to frog leg nerf

nobody likes nerfs to deserving accessories, bc "muh auto-use accessory "

[cobalt pewter]

[warm scarab]

it's going to shadow realm because amp boots

[earnest cape]

m

[glass sentinel]

imo sticking it in tracers wont fit

if you implement the effect in tracers, going through platforms would become very difficult

[earnest cape]

that would also make elysian tracers an expert accessory :thinkies

[glass sentinel]

oh good point

[muted osprey]

imo the acc is just lihzard box from fargos

but worse

[olive token]

yea i thougt about that

good for pointing out the platform thing

[cobalt pewter]

How many fucking Sabaton suggs will we have lole

[tawny garden]

Remember when celestial tracers were rev-exclusive

[cobalt pewter]

I've contributed a good bunch

[earnest cape]

at least 4

[glass sentinel]

the 300 dmg is meh

[cobalt pewter]

The issue imo is that the acc is way more clunky than it should've been

[glass sentinel]

its a slime saddle

[olive token]

hurt some slimes

[cobalt pewter]

Give cooldown only to the explosion, not the fall speed

And adjust the cd so it isn't as echdemon

[olive token]

slime saddle with a wind up

[golden narwhal]

Ngl expert accs being nigh useless a few tiers after obtainment isn't a rare issue, tho something that's probably hard to solve

[olive token]

sabaton needs more time to accelerate

[glass sentinel]

blazing core is also meh

[olive token]

i just think its a cool item ability that should be useful on another item

[cobalt pewter]

Blazing Core somewhat works even if a bit niche

Sabaton is just bad

[earnest cape]

blazing core is eh just needs a slight buff imo

[cobalt pewter]

Why is it worse than slime or bean mount

When it took an actually important slot

[olive token]

I like the Sabaton item's concept

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah the concept is nice

It's just really bad on execution

[olive token]

falling fast is important in terraria

[cobalt pewter]

You tell me, I've suggested Sabaton buff for like

3-4 times

[olive token]

and the big boom when you land feels nice

[cobalt pewter]

And none ever got delivered

[crude geode]

so have I Feedzuh

[olive token]

i dont want it to be an expert item

i want to be an item that drops from him

normaly

that gets a path

[cobalt pewter]

It's fine to be an expert item, it just needs to be better

[olive token]

because it so cool

[cobalt pewter]

This is the general stigma with expert exclusive drops

They're guaranteed to be shit at average

[earnest cape]

spore sac

[cobalt pewter]

Then we have Spore Sac 2.0 Nebulous Core

[muted osprey]

why does amalgam exist

[golden narwhal]

Because combination of expert accs is cool™️

[olive token]

they should make sabaton a non-expert item so it can be upgraded with out breaking the game for filthy casuals

[earnest cape]

elitism indeed

[whole sedge]

or instead just have variants of rev or expert exclusive drops but that requires too much brain power to make into a not weird sugg that i don't have

[olive token]

can u beat eye of Cthulhu with stabaton, lucky horseshoe, and a cliff

[earnest cape]

sabaton is not designed to kill

[crude geode]

to be honest a lot of expert mode items are very uninspired. Gravistar Sabaton is an exception, but so much of Calamity's expert mode items are just stat bloat.

[olive token]

lol i know

its just funny

its the falling that is the use of the item

the explosion just makes it cool

[cobalt pewter]

True

[olive token]

honestly its kinda stupid that i can use the slime saddle, an item from the 1st boss. to help me beat yharon when rod of discord is on cooldown.

[cobalt pewter]

Slime mount has been widely known as dumb yes

[olive token]

that just shows how important falling fast is in this game

y sabaton has a place

[earnest cape]

im pretty sure there's a yharon nohit with water arena, bean abuse, gravistar and portal gun

[olive token]

there are yharon no hits with none of those things too

[earnest cape]

byeah gravistar dumb

[olive token]

dump that its not a useful item

[earnest cape]

i wonder what transpired to this sugg

[crude geode]

~~my hatred for leviathan ambergris ~~

[earnest cape]

i was also thinking about that

byeah

[crude geode]

idk why half of the expert mode accessories need to be upgraded. whether it's literally a direct upgrade like with ocean crest, or via being crafted into something like gehenna is.

[eternal escarp]

they prolly wont stay as "expert mode" accesories for long from what i know

byeah

[earnest cape]

spore sac projectiles spawning on platforms and walls when

[olive token]

i wish we didnt have expertmode accesories on the bosses

[earnest cape]

eh i like em they're just bad

[crude geode]

I just wish they weren't stat bloat

[earnest cape]

stat stick moment

[distant gyro]

not really stat bloat imo

[muted osprey]

opinion: the only good expert only accessory are CotBG and it's downgrades

[olive token]

there should be more pets and fun stuff from expert items

[cobalt pewter]

CotBG isn't even really good lol

Bloodflare Core is where it's at

[crude geode]

Counterpoint: VoE and Affliction

[distant gyro]

really being said expert accessories usually have their own gimmicks

but to be appealing to the general playerbase a stat has to be stuck into it

[olive token]

who doesn't play on expert mode and up

[cobalt pewter]

Just to note Worm Scarf is pure stat

[olive token]

who downloads this mod and plays fucn normal

[distant gyro]

ie. Yharim's Gift irrelevant fireballs and Nebulous Core revival

[muted osprey]

never really liked VoE tbh

use destroyer emblem lol

[crude geode]

Use both

[distant gyro]

Affliction's gimmick is being one of the only calamity (or even vanilla) items that actually bother to cater MP

Void of Calamity's gimmick is that it is a massive fucking trap

[cobalt pewter]

The reason why Bloodflare Core is the perfect expert exclusive acc is that it combines gimmick with effectiveness, and makes defense stat actually chungus

[distant gyro]

we all know upgrades generally suck because they pile up 10 unfitting effects together

[olive token]

what if it wasnt an expert item

[distant gyro]

don't need to talk about those

[olive token]

an just a normal item

would not make any diff

[distant gyro]

too bad, every boss needs an expert item

this is a vanilla precedence

[crude geode]

Indeed

[olive token]

just limits what they can be built into

[eternal escarp]

its a plan afaik

[cobalt pewter]

Seems like mainly for rev exclusive ones

Which don't make as much sense yes

[warm scarab]

there

finally

i posted this sugg

[eternal escarp]

nebolous core is getting changed next update anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Expert Exclusives might not be treated the same

[eternal escarp]

iirc

[warm scarab]

what change

[eternal escarp]

fair

[still zodiac]

God slayer revive is moved to neb core instead

[warm scarab]

if the revive is still there and rng based
there is a need to make it not rng based

[warm scarab]

wtf

excuse me

[eternal escarp]

~~please research before suggesting ~~

[warm scarab]

god slayer armor is now useless

[still zodiac]

God slayer revive is removed

[warm scarab]

how tf do i know...

[still zodiac]

From the armor

[olive token]

they should try to make all the exclusive items, fun stuff and pets, so all the cool items dont get locked out of relevence

[frail mantle]

no

[whole sedge]

Yeah uh this is getting changed already

[warm scarab]

haha yes

[eternal escarp]

thats the joke

[frail mantle]

you shouldn't make assumptions about the viability of something that's been changed before actually seeing it in action

[eternal escarp]

but really, you could ask ig

[warm scarab]

haha yes

ok ig

[still zodiac]

Yeah, true

[frail mantle]

god slayer is getting something like an omnidirectional dash to compensate for the lost revive

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[warm scarab]

i still have a sugg about Gehenna

it's basically a material

[eternal escarp]

i mean you just wasted your time writing a sugg that exactly doesnt matter, im just saying this to save you time to go outside and live life

[warm scarab]

it's completely useless on it's own

[warm scarab]

i have online lessons

[eternal escarp]

well then i feel bad now

[warm scarab]

that's y i came here

[earnest cape]

mmyes immunity accessories obtainable after the stage of their usefullness

[warm scarab]

[muted osprey]

new keybinding to remember babeeee

[eternal escarp]

prolly just the setbonus keybind byeah

[warm scarab]

[still zodiac]

Blast you should probably mention the omnidash thing

[cobalt pewter]

Armor set bonus bind yes

[eternal escarp]

sure

[muted osprey]

but the plague reaper blindness effect doesn't use armor set bonus keybind so

[warm scarab]

what

[cobalt pewter]

It does?

[muted osprey]

what

for me it's pressing Y

[still zodiac]

Like any other armor set in Calamity?

[muted osprey]

wait what

ah I'm retard

bye bye

[cobalt pewter]

Uh

#multiplayer-looking-to-play ?

[tawny garden]

Why is this in sugg chat

[tawny garden]

I don't really like this idea

But eh

[eternal escarp]

theres already a resprite in the works @plush plank

[glass sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542409970520555524/783801757112467517/wip_nitro_yharon.gif

ta daaaaaaaaaaaa

[frail mantle]

mmyea

[glass sentinel]

dunno why thats a gif

[eternal escarp]

WiP image of the man™️

[eternal escarp]

easy access

should prolly just remove the sugg ig

[languid quartz]

smart