Byeah
#suggestions-discussion
earnest cape
tawny garden
sorry, my only playthrough was as a mage
shell grotto
And it will be your last mage is busted
tawny garden
and that playthrough happened like 1.5 years ago
cobalt pewter
I love how I can sense when stealth is mentioned somehow, it's becoming a shitty superpower of mine
In any case
Yeah
tawny garden
I love how I can sense when stealth is mentioned somehow, it's becoming a shitty...
shitty superpower
cobalt pewter
Sugg is moot since stealth has been revamped around the base concept to be gaming
shell grotto
A new mhage
earnest cape
When stealth is mentioned im always remember it as you taking the new stealth formula you made and shove it deep dev's ass
shell grotto
stealth is now a gamer move
pine star
I love how I can sense when stealth is mentioned somehow, it's becoming a shitty...
I don't think it's a shitty superpower
eternal escarp
yeah suggestor needs to be re-summoned
tawny garden
~~and that playthrough happened like 1.5 years ago~~
I then have done 2 other playthroughs, but they sorta ended 2/3 of the way through
shell grotto
He’s already here
cobalt pewter
~~When stealth is mentioned im always remember it as you taking the new stealth ...
True
remote crystal
Isn't a stealth rework confirmed?
cobalt pewter
Change 256 in #changelogs
earnest cape
Once again
shell grotto
He hath been summoned
eternal escarp
this
earnest cape
@somber tendon stealth is already getting reworked next update, and its hopefully gonna be good
cobalt pewter
I swear I seen the user try to talk earlier
eternal escarp
i think now its a bit too much
earnest cape
now hope they dont continue ding dong ditching 
cobalt pewter
Maybe they're just intimidated by my presence or smth
tawny garden
I swear I seen the user try to talk earlier
we dogpiled on them
cobalt pewter
shell grotto
He hath been summoned
we didnt have enough mana
eternal escarp
shell grotto
When suggestion discussion tuns into a text RPG
shell grotto
Also what do you expect anyone to do with just one more mana crystal?
tawny garden
sugg still not gone
eternal escarp
yall are overthinking
shell grotto
Feeding a cat, checking pins mail, eating, eating twice
eternal escarp
just wait, itll be seen soon enough
i mean, dont waste your life because suggestoon is a dun;t
shell grotto
True, but saying they could be busy doing stuff
tawny garden
i mean, dont waste your life because `suggestoon is a dun;t`
I'm in Calamity Mod Discord
warm olive
are there gonna be actually good suggs today
tawny garden
I'm already wasting my life
earnest cape
What life?
somber tendon
I did read all the messages
It was just a thought I had and wanted to share, nothing more than that
hell I can think of a thousands flaws on it myself lmao
earnest cape
Yeahhhhhh but it would be appreciated if you removed the sugg
somber tendon
Yeahhhhhh but it would be appreciated if you removed the sugg
done
earnest cape
Aight thank
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
hey, atleast you can feel good that it is happening anyways
somber tendon
yeah I just want stealth to be more useful ngl
eternal escarp
i know feedzuh is through the roof about the rework 
eternal escarp
from what ive seen, stealth will be way better next update, so yeah
somber tendon
🙏 thank god lmao
cobalt pewter
Indeed
hot zephyr
~~i know feedzuh is through the roof about the rework~~ <:KEKW:79296964760725097...
He's still pogging
sharp prism
ping 
radiant pendant
I don't know if this is even possible or practical, but what if there was a rock-paper-scissors mechanic with items and enemies related to the infectious biomes, like hallow deals more damage to world evil, astral infection to hallow, and world evil to astral infection?
safe oasis
several problems with that
most weapons arent even biome themed
way too much effort
i dont think theres anything in the code to distinguish types
radiant pendant
ye, just a thought
sleek turret
Uhh, there aren't too much weapons that are astral outside Astral Ore and post-Aureus ones.
And also Gracxian Mollusk.
radiant pendant
this would work better as a 1-weapon gimmick
thought this would be a cool strategy when empress of light gets eventually added
tawny garden
i dont think theres anything in the code to distinguish types
Sometimes there is, but usually nah
tawny garden
yes
tawny garden
Removing lul ain't gonna happen
sharp prism
no 
fossil finch
ozz said lul removal might happen but he doubts it will
distant gyro
lul removal won't happen because
- Fab uses it
- Fab doesn't want it gone
languid quartz
tawny garden
pretty much yea
distant gyro
I guess this is better
languid quartz
moment
tawny garden
sharp prism
better than heros mod tbh
tawny garden
using Godmode is of course herecy
dapper coral
suggbot is down, amber has been notified
tawny garden
while I was muted, I noticed that if the bot goes down, not only does it not send the suggs over to #suggestions-posting, but it refuses to delete ❗ed suggestions
which is really weird
cuz deleting and sending are vastly different actions
zenith hazel
...because how would it delete things if it's not active?
tawny garden
it is still active, because it's still able to remove reactions from non-moderators
zenith hazel
then I suppose it's active in some parts, and inactive in others
such as handling reactions
color embeds don't change when you put certain reactions on them when the bot is down
regardless, it doesn't matter
safe oasis
@serene ledge please follow the format in the pinned messages
wooden quartz
@serene ledge You need to follow the pin format
serene ledge
Sorry still new here. I'll fix it in just a sec
eternal escarp
isnt that in the frequently suggested now? or was it not added after all, i woukdve checked but phone
safe oasis
<@!100242063198543872> You need to follow the pin format
(already said that🐌)
serene ledge
I had a long day at work. give me a sec
sharp prism
iirc it doesnt have one because no one has sprited it
safe oasis
@wet kernel follow the format in the pinned messages
serene ledge
My brain is too shot to fix it I'm just gonna remove it and come back later when my mind is right
eternal escarp
thats fair
distant vault
Sounds good
safe oasis
valid reason
eternal escarp
also, moonlord will spawn luminite in the world in 1.5(upcoming update, no release yet), so you could remive the section about him since farming for ssid luminite wont be annoying
fossil finch
yeah
mighty knot
aren't geodes and luminite gonna be obtainable without killing provi/ml after they've been defeated next update?
eternal escarp
and i personally disagree with the sugg as a whole since you can use some of provis drops to just craft better weapons and then battle her agian but more easily, or hell just do the sentinels
only luminite will generate upon first kill of ML
geodes are staying as a boss material drop afaik
safe oasis
and i personally disagree with the sugg as a whole since you can use some of pro...
what if you dont get the drop for your class though
or are a summoner
wooden quartz
@wet kernel please check the pins
hollow shell
There will indeed be Luminite planetoids which will solve this problem, for Moon Lord
Provvy part's still valid probably
fossil finch
you will always get enough geodes to craft a weapon apparently
unless you are summoner lo
grim tusk
summoner just stays with axes currently due to stabber and snake eyes being god awful
safe oasis
joke sugg moment
zenith hazel
@craggy widget don't post meme suggestions, read suggestion don'ts doc in the pins before yo upost
safe oasis
at least it was a good pun
craggy widget
Thanks I guess?
shell grotto
@languid quartz
safe oasis
should prob change the wording
tawny garden
is this nohit lounge shenanigans again
shell grotto
kinda, but it is really dumb lol
crude geode
I don’t think I’ve had as much of a problem with storm weaver lightning tbfh. Always felt predictable, spawning before he dashes.
shell grotto
fact of the matter is it's random and can appear anywhere, also the lightning is wicked fast to hits you near instantly even if you're half a screen away
mainly the fact it's random
grim tusk
yea rng bad
crude geode
...what do you expect from lightning, for it to obey traffic laws
Understandable really.
grim tusk
the problem is not the lighning themselves, is where the orb spawns
shell grotto
fabsol mentioned it himself he wanted to remove most RNG from the game (sure he was talking about gameplay not bosses but screw it)
grim tusk
the orb spawns too close to the player
shell grotto
the problem is not the lighning themselves, is where the orb spawns
just suggesting multiple approaches
shell grotto
bronze said he'd post examples because he has some and I don't but he hasn't bronze whyyyyyyyyyy
crude geode
Byeah if the problem is the orb randomly spawning, focus on that and not lightning moves fast 
crude geode
Your third change idea still focuses on lightning travel time
fossil finch
"3. Make the lightning bolts travel time slower so it can't cheap-shot you when slightly close."
only saying
yeah
shell grotto
I mean it's still technically a fix to the problem of orb spawns too close
better reaction time of the projectile is slower
IK it's not ideal
crude geode
Yes but like it’s a bad one because that’s the whole gimmick of lightning bolts. They move fast.
shell grotto
happy now?XD
crude geode
Mhm.
grim tusk
seems like bot is dead
grim tusk
shell grotto
lol wut?
grim tusk
@hollow shell bot seems to have died
jovial spire
Oh, yeah, that's right
Bots are dead
Eh I was gonna get it but you already ponged Rover so
:P
shell grotto
crickets are chirping.
jolly thorn
i did a good one
distant gyro
uhh?
grim tusk
bruh that sugg
fossil finch
Done in 1.4
well ok bye
grim tusk
yea that sugg is future content so ❗
distant gyro
and we won't bother to make a sitting animation in 1.3 when 1.4 will be a thing
distant gyro
fossil finch
also how tf 30 minutes farming wha
oh wait it does take more than one auric tesla bar to make the toilet
distant gyro
it doesn't take a lot of farming if you have your priorities in place
hollow shell
And yes we're aware the bot's dead it should be fixed soonish
jolly thorn
auric toilet is my #1 priority though
tawny garden
frame that sentence
sharp prism
is that on the todo list?
fossil finch
read that as "make the auric toilet shittable"
probably intended
safe oasis
technically they're shittable in 1.4
cobalt rose
read that as "make the auric toilet shittable"
same lol 
tawny garden
it should have an ❗
hollow shell
mm, didn't get deleted
warm scarab
pls fix 
how do you implement 1.4 thing in 1.3
about provi dropping geodes, isn't it intentional for ou to fight her twice 
crude geode
If it is it’s kinda silly
jovial spire
She drops very important items in both biomes
wooden quartz
How do I turn "Please lower the volume of the ice shards from the Soul of Cryogen, it's giving me a headache" into a proper suggestion?
golden narwhal
Smth like "Lower the volume of the ice shards from the Soul of Cryogen" as the header, then (prolly a bit more in-depth version of) "it's annoying and unnecessary loud, removing it would make it less annoying to use" as the reason
Don't think anymore needs to be done beyond that
hollow shell
It's already planned to hapepn
In fact, an attempted fix is already in the source
It just didn't work
cuz of an oversight
wooden quartz
You tell as I've almost finished typing
hollow shell
Sorry lol
wooden quartz
jk that's great
golden narwhal
crude geode
IK this is my 3rd sugg in posting but bot is down so the first one hasn't been delivered 
distant gyro
funny bluecheck, approved, to-be implemented post
crude geode
oh wait really? 
distant gyro
I don't think so
but the major-ish planned updates are minibosses and then crags
one or the other
cobalt pewter
I love how the moment crags expansion is confirmed, the sugg immediately changes to pML Dungeon instead
crude geode
I had both in my head, bc I was thinking about how Calamity does not support exploration in certain biomes.
Astral and Brimstone Crags are my two big ones since they're biomes added by Calamity, but Astral has already been addressed iirc, so went to the next thing on the list.
cobalt pewter
crude geode
gonna post this here first so it can be discussed since i'm waiting for my next slot to be open
Move Ravager to Post-Provi
?
Ravager, progression wise, currently exists in a nebulous Hardmode and Post-Provi point, not being locked behind any progression point and getting buffed after Providence is defeated. Additionally, Bloodstone is one of his drops Post-Providence, and it’s very fitting for a flesh golem. However, the same material is dropped by Clonelamitas, Brimstone Elemental, and the Brimstone Crag enemies/crates. While this does give new life and a rematch to those enemies, Clonelamitas is just a clone of SCal, so she doesn’t really need a rematch. You already get that rematch through SCal. Brimstone Elemental and the Crag enemies don’t have quite as good of a reason to drop Bloodstone thematically, at least not when compared to Ravager.
One could kill two birds with one two then by moving Ravager to Post-Provi, and by making him the sole source of Bloodstone. This would prevent any cheese with saving treasure bags or crates and opening them Post-Providence, and give Ravager a more solid place in progression. It would also make Bloodstone less of a thematic headache, being focused on one extremely fitting boss instead of three vaguely fitting/connected ones.
hot zephyr
major boss sugg 
safe oasis
right but then comes the problem
of where the fuck to get life alloys and cores easily
distant gyro
you don't
languid quartz
cheat sheet
safe oasis
without mining in 3 different biomes and farming enemies in 3 more biomes i mean
damn messages slow to send
warm scarab
gonna post this here first so it can be discussed ~~since i'm waiting for my nex...
ravhager's weapons are perfectly balanced in hm
if it's moved then it's gonna be echdemon to get life alloy
terse sundial
(that suggestion for the specific dev roles on main seems like someone is trying to get specific info for the draedon update )
pine star
HOW
dapper coral
ravhager's weapons are perfectly balanced in hm
balance isn't really a valid concern tbh
since we can just, yknow, rebalance em
it's something that would have to be taken into account for devs, but not something that needs to be dealt with in the sugg channels
terse sundial
@bleak sentinel TPE was completely rebalanced and works great next update on Providence (and guardians)
bleak sentinel
well im stupid then, ill delete it
terse sundial
It's not common knowledge, dw about it
pine star
What is TPE?
safe oasis
(that suggestion for the specific dev roles on main seems like someone is trying...
and it was all going well until you meddling admins came along
dapper coral
Also I'd love for ravhager to not be just a farming boss tyvm
agree
if your biggest reason for not moving a boss is because "oh no where will i get my materials now" then that's kinda silly imo
because it makes it so that now you actually can get the materials the primary way you're meant to get them instead of 99% of people doing funny rav farming
cobalt pewter
<@!795751771951333376> TPE was completely rebalanced and works great next update...
What's tpe
dapper coral
What is TPE?
tactical plague engine
cobalt pewter
Damnit
dapper coral
kekw
cobalt pewter
Alright thanks
cobalt pewter
agree
if your biggest reason for not moving a boss is because "oh no where will ...
True
pine star
oh
crude geode
No boss should be a farming boss.
You can have farming enemies, possibly even a life alloy slime if you really care, but it shouldn't be a boss.
bleak sentinel
cant wait to try and farm cryo slimes and abyss enemies
crude geode
Yharon doesn't just drop auric ore, you have to actually go through the effort and mine the damn shit.
safe oasis
agree
if your biggest reason for not moving a boss is because "oh no where will ...
thats kinda what ravager was literally made for though, no?
bleak sentinel
maybe it was made to be a fun and engaging boss battle idk
dapper coral
it was one of his purposes, sure. especially compared to other bosses that don't have that element at all
but a boss should be a boss first and foremost, not a farmable mob like it tends to be atm
crude geode
Bumblebirb was originally a meme. But now he's Dragonfolly, and actually kind of a serious boss now. Things are allowed to change and evolve.
safe oasis
it was one of his purposes, sure. especially compared to other bosses that don't...
ravager is a pretty good boss fight though, he just happens to drop useful materials
whole sedge
ravager not being a farm boss and instead kind of opening the gate for better ways to farm out life alloys and such would be pretty nice in my eyes 
cobalt pewter
ravager is a pretty good boss fight though, he just happens to drop useful mater...
Every nohitter in a mile radius: 
Rav isn't super good tbh
bleak sentinel
i really like fighting ravager in general, because its a calamity style boss without being as hard as the others. its just good fun for me.
later game it just becomes farming, but during that progression stage its fun and challenging
ex: i like rav, pbg, cryo, scourge a lot because they are just good fun as well as being a challenge. i also like providence and both calamitas', but for different reasons. they are more bullethell-y and intense.
safe oasis
Every nohitter in a mile radius: <:waitaminute:671697252254875688>
nohitters aren't real
distant vault
hot zephyr
Based!
golden narwhal
@deep dust shift + enter after "..upgrade tree for some weapons." because formatting
hollow shell
Yeah, you need to have a separate top line
for the bot to read it correctly
Also the sugg could maybe be worded better? The reason seems like kind of a mess that contradicts itself
(i.e. one-off weapons losing their identity when combined into a larger weapon, but you also suggest that more one-off weapons get combined upgrades)
golden narwhal
Does this count as two suggs in one, since you got
"Add an alternate exoblade for each ingredient of it" and
"Add upgrades to one-off weapons"
hollow shell
Wait is that what they're suggesting in the first half?
The same ingredients as Exoblade, but a different effect?
golden narwhal
Looks like it, or just using the single swords, I dunno
deep dust
Like an alternate upgrade path where you can still make exoblade but theres another path you can take that retains the weapons identity
idk it feels like a waste to have all of these weapons be programmed in with individual sprites and animations and then have them all be consumed at the end
i get the "penultimate weapon" thing the devs are going for but it does destroy the individuality of many of the weapons
same could be said for the other classes
coarse bronze
I feel like some of the weapons in said recipes are rarely even used
just material fodder
deep dust
yeah i think that if they had an endgame version they wouldnt just be material fodder
coarse bronze
i mean
tell me how many people you know who actually uses floodtide in an actual pt?
distant vault
Wait so you're suggesting like for example Cosmic Bolter gets upgraded up to scal tier and but is still the same weapon mechanically?
deep dust
yeah just upgraded versions of the mechanics of cosmic boltor
golden narwhal
Aight, just before more discussion starts, you're gonna need to remove one of these ideas in the suggestions
"Add an alternate exoblade for each ingredient of it" and
"Add upgrades to one-off weapons"
since having both in one message is a don't
Probably just post it separately/save it for later
hollow shell
ye
Cuz people vote on the suggestions, and the may agree with one idea but not the other
deep dust
ok thanks
coarse bronze
But seriously
Why are waterfall walls not affected by biome fountains
and why are there no variants of waterfall walls
distant vault
As for the suggestion itself, it seems like a cool concept yeah but it does seem like it would be a ton of weapon bloat up at the top
coarse bronze
I know there are lavafalls and sandfalls
hollow shell
The waterfall sugg does make sense yeah
coarse bronze
I mean if they can't be changed via fountain
they can still be implemented via alt crafting recipes
deep dust
is that better?
golden narwhal
Yea, remove the part in the title as well
coarse bronze
I think you might have to it
deep dust
?
deep dust
bold the title?
hollow shell
Alright, the sugg is better now
It's highly unlikely to pass cuz yknow
melee doesn't need more options
in any tier but especially in Auric/Exo
and the fact that you'd need to get every Exoblade ingredient twice to get both
but
It's valid I think
coarse bronze
wrong channel sorry
hollow shell
It's aight
deep dust
the same could be said for every other class
it feels like all the work that went into those weapons are a waste
hollow shell
Nah I mean
Exoblade and your alt weapon
People are gonna wanna get both of them
Which means getting two of all the Exoblade ingredients
deep dust
idk it seems pretty easy to get multiples of the same weapon
deep dust
how many votes do you need to get it to the devs?
golden narwhal
200
deep dust
ah
hollow shell
(Almost all suggs get over 100 so, ye)
muted osprey
actually what happens after a sugg gets 200 stars
golden narwhal
It gets sent to the dev server, devs vote on it, then it gets a reaction based on the outcome (or smth like that)
muted osprey
so even if it gets accepted, if the devs think its bullshit it's gonna get rejected
cool
dapper coral
correct
earnest cape
200 stars for mod related suggs, 140 suggs for server suggs,
dapper coral
ultimately it comes down to the devs, as it should
earnest cape
time to look up philo's message
Since #suggestions-posting was created (20 April 2020), there were ⭐ 2302 suggestions. Of these:
✅ 729 were delivered to the dev server/mod voting
👍 400 were approved
🚫 141 were rejected
☑️ 57 were bluechecks
🏁 99 were implementedWhich gives a grand total delivery rate of 31.67%,
an approval rate of 17.38% (54.87% of delivered),
and an implementation rate of 4.3% (13.58% of delivered, 24.75% of approved) (including "instant flags")Link to the previous report: #suggestions-discussion message
might be outdated a bit byeah
dapper coral
that was from about a month or two ago iirc
muted osprey
damn
earnest cape
ye
dapper coral
since then 1 or 2 more have been implemented that i can think of
muted osprey
thats alot of non sent entries
crude geode
~25% chance that if the devs like your suggestion it actually gets implemented
earnest cape
also nerf levi minions in the fight ples
warm olive
i like the idea tbh
could be the same with some other boss minions
maybe buff their hp as biome enemies
golden narwhal
ideal world: remove (minor) minions from all boss fights except hive mind's
earnest cape
warm olive
my suggs soon gonna get posted
crude geode
ideal world: remove (minor) minions from all boss fights except hive mind's <:HD...
Are hive mind’s minions even minor
earnest cape
yes
golden narwhal
Are hive mind’s minions even minor
Yes but actually no, ig
warm olive
so i had an idea about making natural draconic swarmers more significant
because post-ml kinda lacks good fights outside bosses, i think natural drac swarmers should be a miniboss sorta with more hp, bossbar, and different attacks (maybe dashes like dragonfolly and spawns feathers like old birb)
also it should have a different name from dragonfolly's swarmers and spawn more often
crude geode
post-ml kinda lacks outside bosses
FTFY
byeah seems like a fine idea, thought it is meant to be a clone of dragonfolly.
tawny garden
that was from about a month or two ago iirc
I decided to do these on the 1st day of each month
So ye it's a month outdated
dapper coral
close enough
tawny garden
And also there's a problem of instant flags, I need to find a way to tell how many instant flags are there and how many proper flags are there
dapper coral
i don't recall there being very many of those tbf
i can think of one in recent history
earnest cape
i can only remember like 2 or 3 instant flags
tawny garden
It's "instant" if it got a 🏁 before it went to devs
earnest cape
yeye
tawny garden
Weird terminology
tawny garden
At least 1/3 of all 🏁ed suggs are those
crude geode
@dapper coral bot is dead.
tawny garden
🦀
tawny garden
I wish I could see Amber's code
dapper coral
that should be all of them
dapper coral
earnest cape
sugg bot died 
golden narwhal
Should probably include the bloodstone exclusivity in the heading, cursed, since it is half of the suggestion
earnest cape
oh resugg?
crude geode
No, I just posted it here for feedback bc I was waiting for my slot to be open
earnest cape
ah
golden narwhal
Was originally thomas's sugg before as well
tawny garden
Rate limits 
crude geode
Was originally thomas's sugg before as well
What? I would never steal from Thomas/redesign his ideas, and he would never steal/redesign from me 
earnest cape
tawny garden
golden narwhal
warm olive
broken trellis
dapper coral
(ok we can chill with emotes now)
earnest cape
pensivecore
warm olive
or just remove providence box because profaned rock takes forever to mine and you'd already probably have a platform/ground above lava and if you fight her in hallow its just useless
ashen warren
Or add one level color so it dosent burn in lava
safe oasis
3 are
tawny garden
Or Gray rarity
earnest cape
safe oasis
oh so then 4
earnest cape
3 plat
tawny garden
Desinformation!!!1!
earnest cape
according to the wiki
analog talon
3 plat
ashen warren
Who in the world wants money from providence? Just switch worlds of crimson and keep grinding convert to bars (bars give 15 extra silver out of nowhere) and sell EZ money and especially of how early you can gring huge money
sharp prism
br
ashen warren
Oh wait i didnt mention BoC
sharp prism
thats
earnest cape
its just crimson ore being overpriced
earnest cape
and paired with the fact you get so many
analog talon
killing Golem ⁸⁶⁷³⁸²⁶⁴⁰¹ times for aegis blade
ashen warren
Lol
cobalt pewter
Arma grind dies anyway
ashen warren
This is becoming #general-talk
warm olive
arma stone farming for hote
cobalt pewter
killing Golem ⁸⁶⁷³⁸²⁶⁴⁰¹ times for aegis blade <:boohoo:792848211488407572>
Good thing Legendaries are becoming challenge based
warm olive
oh
earnest cape
no more rng
warm olive
amazing
analog talon
This is becoming <#405919380447297536>
warm scarab
jovial spire
@still moss Yeah, please provide some proper reasoning for your suggestion.
still moss
Im thinking
safe oasis
if you have to think that hard for a reason as to why this should get added, maybe it shouldn't get added
just a thought
jovial spire
If you have to think of a good reason after you posted your suggestion, as in, what it'd add to the fight, why it should be added to the fight, some examples of possible ranged atatcks, etc
Probably should have waited a bit to post your suggestion
still moss
Still thinking
warm scarab
"please don't kill"
we will certainly kill
warm scarab
~~bring back laser orbs from cv fight to dog~~
still moss
Ruh
tawny garden
*if you have to think that hard for a reason as to why this should get added, ma...
This statement is worthy of being pinned
warm scarab
^
fossil finch
Just get the weapons with better base damage and sex
pine star
"and sex"
fossil finch
Sorry i am unoriginal and can't make goodjokes, so i just slap that word on things even tho it's not funny and i do not laugh myself at them
distant gyro
wtf does that mean
oh right
@cobalt pewter please make sure you understand and everyone else does
Flamsteed Ring does have a set base damage
distant gyro
- allowing flamsteed ring and PSC attacks to base off a held weapon's base damage is terrible
everyone would just use scarlet devil because it's objectively the best one
that doesn't remove rigidity at all
it just forces you to farm for the weapon with the highest base damage for each class (overall in flamsteed case)
- "what about use time" is equally as problematic because most calamity weapons end up doing something with their weapon effects, whether it be making the projectile ignore immunity frames or fire 200 projectiles per second
and you're not going to make every weapon do something unique to just make the PSC/Flamsteed usable for all 3000 weapons in Terraria + Calamity
trust me no sane person wants to do that
earnest cape
(Assuming calamity devs are sane at this point )
pine star
distant gyro
no insane person too
pine star
I think Spider is sane at least
distant gyro
pine star
pine star
oh
crude geode
Don’t you need permission from dev
tawny garden
He asked her earlier
earnest cape
Feedzas second ❗ in the same week 😳
crude geode
also who the fuck wants to create an endgame weapon for basically each class just to use an accessory
earnest cape
@scarlet galleon ^
scarlet galleon
Yes?
eternal escarp
your suggestion is a dont
earnest cape
With that also format the sugg properly and add a proper reason(refer to previous suggs)
scarlet galleon
Oh.
earnest cape
And also read the "don'ts" doc pinned
scarlet galleon
K.
eternal escarp
#suggestions-discussion message from the pins
grim tusk
Just install Calamity: The lost themes
tawny garden
That exists?
grim tusk
Ys
tawny garden
great
earnest cape
Oh yeah that mod exists
grim tusk
Has the scrapped planetoids, threats of the ocean floor (Adult Eidolon wyrm only) and Firey fists of stone (Cal extra music’s unimplemented Golem theme)
jovial spire
@cobalt pewter Yhea, when it coems to that stuff, you need permission from whoever's item it is
tawny garden
also Feedza knows all don'ts
Considering that he has more suggestions than anybody else
safe oasis
experienced suggestion spammer™️
tawny garden
buoyant idol
Ah crap forgot to shift tab
sharp prism
Considering that he has more suggestions than anybody else
wait really
cobalt pewter
experienced suggestion spammer™️
cobalt pewter
Mmh
Not sure about this sugg
I kinda don't wanna see nimwit in cal, but repeated offenses can probably be acted individually
earnest cape
Hmm
cobalt pewter
You'd need to do severe frequency / actions for a 7-day mute to be a good punishment
earnest cape
Why is bad grammar on that list of punishment
Its discrimination for people who has english as a second language
fossil finch
As a person who does "they should fucking learn english"
Yeah that indeed should not be there
buoyant idol
Would you say it's a bad suggestion concept overall?
fossil finch
Not really
Nitwit is given to people who constantly make the same mistakes, mostly meme suggs
It is fine if not applied to everything
earnest cape
Personally, i disagree with the sugg
ocean geyser
how about a scal treasure bag
eternal escarp
there will prolly be one in 1.5
hot zephyr
Feedzuh gets his suggestion permissions revoked (2021)
The entire channel goes dark, he was the only poster.
earnest cape
gray nebula
if people break the rules because they're not aware of it I doubt that they'd be aware there's a punishment for it
cerulean estuary
Feedzuh gets his suggestion permissions revoked (2021)
The entire channel goes d...
where were you when recieve the dm
I was discussing suggestions
feedzuh is kill
no
cobalt pewter
if people break the rules because they're not aware of it I doubt that they'd be...
Unless we want to shove the don'ts doc every 12 picoseconds, if they're not aware of the rules after doing repeated offenses and reminded of the doc each time, it's sorta their fault
hot zephyr
If you get something even slightly wrong in a suggestion, even if it's a meaningless typo you'll hear boss music as Philo, Feed, and Psychic kill you in one hit.
This channel could moderate itself lol
eternal escarp
its sad that its true tbh
eternal escarp
the people in this channel alone just mini mod the suggestions tbh
hot zephyr
The only time mods intervene is when a thousand @'s happen because someone sniffed out a potential ❗
sleek turret
If you get something even slightly wrong in a suggestion, even if it's a meaning...
Grammar, even.
hot zephyr
Mhm.
earnest cape
At that point solstice would come in
sleek turret
tbf not putting a capitalized letter on a sugg title makes me anxious but I don't care unless the sugg needs a more technical review on it.
buoyant idol
What I meant was “add copper shortsword gun and book and staff and rouge thing cuz qol” kind of bad
tawny garden
this ain't necessary tbh
Some people repeatedly suggest things with SIS, "for QOL", etc.
not really
people usually give up
cause we dogpile on them and they either read the doc or leave this place for good
(which I believe is a flaw on its own, this place isn't that friendly to newcomers)
zealous ridge
i dont think its amazing but a suggestions chat overall has that issue, with the way it is arranged and has been arranged
not to get into a discussion really, its been discussed quite a bit and i dont see it as part of the scope of this chat (id probably talk about it in gentalk if i wanted to)
as for this server suggestion, nah
i dont see it as necessary at all
it sounds like a suggestion from someone who can't deal with repeat or mildly dumb requests in posting
which is kind of a moot point as it is jumped on pretty quickly not just by mods, but by plenty of regulars who take up the task themselves
and it is rare that a major scene happens if someone doesn't want to back down that requires mod intervention and some kind of compromise
i dont see significant warrant for it myself, but perhaps that's just because i don't scour this chat 24/7
if anyone else has an opinion about that feel free to mention
ashen warren
im gonna be perfectly honest with you if my mod was this size i wouldn't have a public suggestion for every single kid in the entire community to shitpost on, i'd probably have something like that on a private server or keep it among contributors and such
eternal escarp
theres rules anyways, so not every little jimmy can suggest their photon ray that deals 69 damage and inflicts 6 debuffs
sleek turret
^
eternal escarp
so i dont see the problem in having a public suggestion / feedback channel
ashen warren
yeah i guess it is kept in a high standard
sleek turret
you need proper wording honestly.
eternal escarp
for the mod + the server as a whole
tawny garden
theres rules anyways, so not every little jimmy can suggest their photon ray tha...
that is exactly what happened before 30th of August 2019.
ashen warren
theres rules anyways, so not every little jimmy can suggest their photon ray tha...
congratulations on the wording of this message btw
it is quite amazing
eternal escarp
sleek turret
tbf wording on suggs is important; i.e for example "Fix [something]" sounds more like a bug sugg than a sugg.
eternal escarp
^
sleek turret
"Make [something]" makes it a proper sugg and valid.
eternal escarp
wording your sugg is prolly the most important part
ashen warren
Make members have to agree with the rules of suggestions in a reaction role pinned in suggestions voting channel before getting access to the suggestion posting channel
This will likely prevent random people from seeing the suggestions posting channel and immediately rushing to post a suggestion before realizing there's actually rules and high standards
how about this ^ ^ ^ ^
eternal escarp
..why? theres #suggestions-posting anyways to let people review the sugg anyways
and the devs can always reject suggestions
fossil finch
that is exactly what happened before 30th of August 2019. <:HDfailure:4822636781...
"sis were not banned, and everyone did not breath of relief back then"
That would do nothing also
They could always just click and move on without reading shit
ashen warren
..why? theres <#699359022364491868> anyways to let people review the sugg anyway...
it would filter out some suggestions though, saving the moderators some effort
eternal escarp
They could always just click and move on without reading shit
^
tawny garden
**Make members have to agree with the rules of suggestions in a reaction role pi...
won't really work because people would just scroll down and hit the reaction
eternal escarp
its the same thing as scrolling throught the entire terms and service
which i assume you did a few times yourself
ashen warren
won't really work because people would just scroll down and hit the reaction
at least it will make people aware that there's actually rules
eternal escarp
not really
ashen warren
currently it only has a tiny description in the top
eternal escarp
its the same thing as scrolling throught the entire terms and service
.
ashen warren
which you are likely to miss
eternal escarp
they will just mark it and suggest anyways
tawny garden
its the same thing as scrolling throught the entire terms and service
I once read the entire EULA for a unix distro
tawny garden
it was 13 something pages long
sleek turret
I once read the entire EULA for a unix distro
I read once the entire Zombatar PVZ1 GOTY Terms of Service and EULA.
fossil finch
were you that fucking bored
tawny garden
then I told my dad smth, and he said "you dumbass, why did you even read that shit"
tawny garden
were you that fucking bored
no, it just said "read this", so I did
I was like 10 years old
eternal escarp
the fact you guys read terms of service to full potential bit by bit is intriguing
but my point still kinda stands
most (sane(?)) people will just click without reading
or skim and half ass the rules
tawny garden
yeah most people don't read this shit
ashen warren
they should make it shorter, they have a lot of unnecessary text in there making it a billion pages long
tawny garden
I was an anomaly
smart enough to install a unix distro but not smart enough to not read shit
ashen warren
not straight to the point
eternal escarp
wdym not straight to the point?
ashen warren
terms of service usually have an entire page talking about the terms of service before actually getting to the terms of service
eternal escarp
straight to the point in my eyes
tawny garden
I mean, the explanations exist so that people don't constantly ask "why is this not allowed"
ashen warren
straight to the point in my eyes
not talking about calamity lol
fossil finch
(The way ToS and Eulas and shits are presented make people not care anyways)
They are a design problem which is why people skip them
Customers do not want to read the entire legal panflet because they won't break those laws anyways
and if they are, they decided that before accessing the product
ashen warren
general ToS
eternal escarp
ah
i see
generic ToS explains alot so you can know the actual term i believe
its supposed to go in detail and shit
byeah
tawny garden
@deep dust are you gonna add a reason?
eternal escarp
well
eternal escarp
hm
tawny garden
that doesn't actually tell us why it is needed
deep dust
alright
tawny garden
(ig it would be easier to control biomes on large worlds)
(though not sure why calamity specifically needs to add one)
safe oasis
_there is gonna to be other slime boss? _
there’s already king slime and slime god, and queen slime later
there’s no real need for another
tawny garden
_there is gonna to be other slime boss? _
what
eternal escarp
theres no need, nor really a reason for another slime boss
safe oasis
also wrong chat probably
tawny garden
also new boss ideas aren't this channel's topic
eternal escarp
^
deep dust
is that sufficient?
safe oasis
(you guys are just dittoing me smh)
tawny garden
tru
deep dust
also adding a penalty for violating suggestion rules would turn away new players from suggesting
safe oasis
why does calamity specifically need to add it though
tawny garden
^
tawny garden
also adding a penalty for violating suggestion rules would turn away new players...
yeah, that's what I fear mostly
this place is already not really friendly for newcomers, as I said earlier
deep dust
theres a lot of elitism and anger and newcomers from what ive seen
tawny garden
why does calamity specifically need to add it though
you should address this still, ahavasnak
deep dust
can i just delete it lol i got nothing
safe oasis
delete it if you don’t feel like it’s necessary anymore sure
tawny garden
just that it would be appreciated
robust lava
You could say that for some later bosses like Providence you would need a large area to fight in, so an upgrade to the Clentaminator would help set up for those types of fights
deep dust
ill try to work on it
yeah
also the increased focused on jungle and mushroom biomes
adds a necessity to protect them
tawny garden
oh wtf
safe oasis
what happened
safe oasis
lmao
eternal escarp
lmfao
robust lava
^
Suggestions can also be something to work together on. It doesn't need to all be decided by one person, since it can be difficult to come up with fine details on the spot.
tawny garden
completely changing your pfp and name isn't great
deep dust
do you think thats fine?
tawny garden
eternal escarp
sometimes theres a better reason lying underneath the suggestors mind
safe oasis
should prob nick myself on this server
eternal escarp
also, thats a great reason imo
robust lava
mandatory nicks for everyone please, I get so confused at times
eternal escarp
i wish you couldve nicked yourself anyways but i know why we cant
safe oasis
is there a reason behind regular people being unable to nickname themselves
might sugg that next
eternal escarp
its hard to moderate people that can just nickname themselves whatever
dapper coral
basically that yea
eternal escarp
as much as its a great thing ti have it can wreck havoc
safe oasis
oh demik while you’re here can you nick me to Psychic
sleek turret
yeah basically having to everyone nick themselves causes to some rude stuff and serious stuff to become a problem.
i.e have a nick with a racial slur
safe oasis
yeah basically having to everyone nick themselves causes to some rude stuff and ...
nothing is stopping that from doing that but with their discord names
people who want to do that still have a way to do that
dapper coral
there are 72k people here, there's bound to be many assholes who have slurs or inappropriate things in their names
we need to be able to change them to things that are not bad, so giving everyone nick perms would negate that
safe oasis
ty demik
eternal escarp
(while we are on this topic, may i also get my nickname changed to Blast?)
sleek turret
nothing is stopping that from doing that but with their discord names
yeah ofc discord names meaning that they will eventually get a warning on other servers
eternal escarp
(thanks demik 
) byeah
frail mantle
@acoustic cape https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542409970520555524/814059709661052978/unknown.png
dapper coral
@acoustic cape check the pins, no more balance suggs for the time being
ah bugger double ping
deep dust
what do they mean by flattening
dapper coral
no more beeg number
dapper coral
the fights will still be the same timewise, but you won't hit 200k dps or whatever
deep dust
are they going to balance bosses too
dapper coral
it'll be much lower
frail mantle
you know how your dps almost quadruples when you beat dog
dapper coral
yessir
frail mantle
yeah that's not gonna happen anymore
deep dust
im a little confused as to what the purpose is for that?
sleek turret
your dps skyrockets after you beat certain bosses like Leon said.
eternal escarp
this was made to allow easier implementation of newer bosses i beleive
frail mantle
making balancing easier
deep dust
oh
eternal escarp
and also allowes the use of weapons for longer
sleek turret
im a little confused as to what the purpose is for that?
1- balancing
2- making old loadouts to be viable again
tawny garden
makes it easier to design bosses also
safe oasis
it also better mixes with other content mods better
tawny garden
futureproofing
safe oasis
though that’s only a side thing
tawny garden
it also better mixes with other content mods better
false, Calamity balances around rev
frail mantle
yeah other content mods existing is still not a concern of Calamity
safe oasis
just play expert 5head
eternal escarp
yeah i thought that at first but then revengence
tawny garden
just play expert 5head
destruction still happens
deep dust
the difference between expert and rev is ridiculous
robust lava
the difference between expert and rev is ridiculous
The difference between expert and master is ridiculous
deep dust
kms
sleek turret
the (most) of the code of mm is basically 5 lines
deep dust
if do more damage=true
sleek turret
except the relics and pet/mount drop rates
tawny garden
the (most) of the code of mm is basically 5 lines
not really tbh
but there was nearly 0 effort
sleek turret
yeah that
acoustic cape
Oh sorry i didnt read pins, sorry heh
tawny garden
eternal escarp
its fine, it happens
acoustic cape
thanks for pinging
tawny garden
just read them if you want to suggest in the future
deep dust
do you think a summoner interface where they could choose most health, least health, closest for minion aggro would be feasible?
safe oasis
that requires literally writing 3 AIs per summon
safe oasis
too much effort for devs to be a sugg
frail mantle
i think the problem with that would be that it'd require rewriting every single minion ai in the game ye
tawny garden
what does "most health" even mean
safe oasis
like
deep dust
like most max health vs least
safe oasis
enemy with most health left
deep dust
for boss fights like pb
tawny garden
ooohhh
safe oasis
for boss fights like pb
just right click the boss though?
tawny garden
yeah a lot of effort
safe oasis
like the solution is there
safe oasis
again, right click the boss
deep dust
alright
eternal escarp
pbg is on 1 hp and your minions go kill all of the leftover enemies in the world instead 
robust lava
A lot of calamity bosses w/ minions don't allow you to target their minions to specifically help with this iirc
At least, I think Hive Mind does, now that I think about it idk any else
safe oasis
all minions are targetable
otherwise you’d literally be flooded with minions as summoner
(enemy minions not your own)
robust lava
all minions are targetable
Nope, checking it now and you can't target Hive Mind's Hive Blobs
deep dust
rip summoner on death mode
safe oasis
strange
fossil finch
-WRONG
-Evil island+Hive Mind drops cursed flames on hardmode
deep dust
oh sorry i didnt know that
safe oasis
buss rush
hiim miimhive mind
not needed
memes should be generally kept out of suggs
b4
should be before, suggs are formal writing smh
i do agree with the suggestion though
@warm scarab ^
warm scarab
i do agree with the suggestion though
i can see why
dapper coral
hm
muted osprey
hmm my sugg has 201 stars
dapper coral
here's the thing:
a) that's part of the playstyle of boomerangs, and that's part of what make them unique
b) because it's part of getting the maximum potential out of the weapon, it gets accounted for when doing testing on boomerangs so idk how overpowered it actually is
dapper coral
hmm my sugg has 201 stars
which one
glass heath
here's the thing:
a) that's part of the playstyle of boomerangs, and that's part...
Didn't realize boomerangs where meant to be able to endlessly damage enemies and such by being kited, I didn't even consider that as a playstyle, thanks for telling me!
dapper coral
i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
the sugg is valid, for sure -- i'm just questioning that it's actually as overpowered as you say it is
some killtimes on post-golem bosses (as you claim in your sugg) would help in solidifying that claim
muted osprey
thanks demik
glass heath
Noted, I'll go get some kill times
dapper coral
alrighty
crude geode
Balance suggs
dapper coral
to be fair this isn't your typical balance sugg
muted osprey
has anyone made a suggestion to show what boss is coming next during boss rush
dapper coral
i'd personally say it's legal because it's asking to change a weapon mechanic
crude geode
This is advanced balancing
tbfh that could be worded better in the title instead of just “nerf this mechanic”
dapper coral
as opposed to saying "oi nerf this it strong"
(now, the wording of the sugg could maybe change from Nerf to Change to make it not seem like a nerf sugg but you get the idea)
yes
fossil finch
I'm pretty convinced it's realistically impossible to have 30 boomerangs at once while kiting cuz i'm 100% sure they speed up over time to catch up over to you, but idk i don't test so
hot zephyr
I always thought actually utilizing the boomerang return mechanic to be pretty difficult but I was never a fan of the archetype to begin with
dapper coral
they don't speed up as far as i can tell, but they are generally a tiny bit faster than the player can move at that tier
the ones that are most scythe-train reminiscent, anyhow
and yes i would agree that it is somewhat difficult to utilize, so i feel that if you can make it work then you deserve it
hot zephyr
I think if we're being realistic, the best way to "change" the mechanic would to make them speed up over time the longer they're returning
muted osprey
has anyone made a suggestion to show what boss is coming next during boss rush
hot zephyr
I was about to say that
Y'know that thing about great minds?
cobalt pewter
Don't think you'd need that if the order is always fixed
cobalt pewter
Y'know that thing about great minds?
muted osprey
Don't think you'd need that if the order is always fixed
it's kinda hard to remember the order tho
dapper coral
I think if we're being realistic, the best way to "change" the mechanic would to...
that would work, probably
but let's wait to see these killtimes before we see if it needs a change at all
cobalt pewter
Elem Disk on provi I can definitely see somewhat being an issue
hot zephyr
but let's wait to see these killtimes before we see if it needs a change at all
Agreed, ye
hot zephyr
Elem Disk on provi I can definitely see somewhat being an issue
This is the only usecase I thought about being an actual issue
cobalt pewter
And if the accelerating return is applied there'd be no need for projectile limit as the velocity scaling would work as a soft limit
hot zephyr
But it's so easy to pull off I'm like 100% sure the testers have factored it into the weapon balance itself
cobalt pewter
True
hot zephyr
So, killtimes
dapper coral
correcto
glass heath
Okay so bad news: I suck at video games. Also, pretty Sure I was wrong about boomerangs being busted
earnest cape
don't boomerangs still have iframes when returning ?
earnest cape
ele disc is fine cause of how inconsistent it is
glass heath
I was using a mangrove chakram with hydrothermic armor and just threw it behind the boss though...
earnest cape
imma
@dapper coral what's the kill time for PBG in testing
im sure i worded that wrong
dapper coral
let's see
cobalt pewter
What did you use for gear
dapper coral
it is 3 minutes
earnest cape
and show a screenshot of your gear ye
glass heath
k
cobalt pewter
As much as this suggestion might be axed for inaccuracy, I feel like accelerating return can be an idea that works good
earnest cape
o ye that's happening to terra disk right
cobalt pewter
?
dapper coral
terra disk comes back super fast
glass heath
Warding on my scarf, menacing on talisman and exorter, boots and mantle are quick
dapper coral
idk if it did that before though
glass heath
It may not be all boomerangs either but I figured if a post-plantera pre-cloneamitas boomerang could shred plaguebringer somethin was up
fossil finch
Is that actually and undergeared setup since 5 slots or am i insane
glass heath
nope five slots im just dumb :)
dapper coral
they can be fought at the same time tbf, pretty interchangeably
nohits makes you do clone first
fossil finch
Clone is "same tier" but taken pre plant for most
dapper coral
but they're basically the same
fossil finch
So yeah it's "post plantera"
dapper coral
isn't it 3:48?
earnest cape
my personal opinion is the boomerags returning isn't op since you need to actively shoot away from your enemy potentially giving them a chance to hit you before it returns
dapper coral
so above average, then
earnest cape
i don't have a point of view in this so yeah ¯_(ツ)_/¯
test subduction slicer too while you're at it
earnest cape
you're testing with post golem armor
glass heath
fair
earnest cape
I don't see the problem in this
crude geode
Doesn’t the cursor already kinda handle this by like having a border and inner option
crystal iron
I personally barely ever see my cursor and I tried many different colours
earnest cape
just use braindead homing
crude geode
How would an aiming line be better?
crystal iron
Cuz that would stand out more
I played a lot of games with tons of projectiles on screen and that type of red line always stood out
warm scarab
@crystal iron perhaps change your sugg to only for weapons that fire a projectile straight at the cursor because stuff like lead wiz or true melee doesn't need this sort of things
cobalt pewter
I would rather see custom cursor skins for visibility
crude geode
To be quite honest a laser sight would feel very out of place for magic weapons or anything not ranged
earnest cape
sniper scope upgrade
sharp prism
he needs confirmation from Amber
crude geode
As all dedicated items need
earnest cape
indeed