suggestions-discussion

[earnest cape]

byeah

expert should be the first difficulty they choose cause it offers so much a player playing for the first time can miss

unless you want just a chill pt byeah

take a shot every time I say byeah

[distant gyro]

I think reactive DR is not significant enough to make a difference anyway

Try cheating in star wrath in a fresh world and spawn king slime

[cobalt pewter]

night provi

[tawny garden]

Drunk Terraria playthrough

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

Tho in general sense it isn't significant enough iirc ye

[distant gyro]

and now try the world with KS defeated with the reduced boss config

[tawny garden]

VC3

[distant gyro]

the problem is that

[cobalt pewter]

give all bosses Night Provi Reactive DR, see glass mfs suffer

[distant gyro]

people will HATE it if it becomes significant

and that alone is an issue

[earnest cape]

that is true

[tawny garden]

You kinda shot yourself in the leg there

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

As a nohitter

[eternal escarp]

was aboutta say that

[distant gyro]

adding a feature where it either does nothing and gets hated or does too much and gets hated

[crude geode]

It also discourages the fuck out of progression skipping

[distant gyro]

[cobalt pewter]

I felt like I've diminished the meaning of crossed out text

[distant gyro]

(in execution it doesn't because it does barely anything)

[tawny garden]

Thing is

If Night Provi still has reactive DR, I'll be fine with it

[cobalt pewter]

Night Provi is a challenge

[tawny garden]

Ye

[cobalt pewter]

I don't see her getting the reactive DR gone if the rest are

[crude geode]

mhm since that's the whole point

[hollow shell]

Fuck
I wanted to tell the dude with the Cal sugg to be less specific

Oh well

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

(btw @rancid saddle you can still fix the wording of your launcher sugg's top line, iunno if you saw my previous ping)

[earnest cape]

i sense deletion

[hollow shell]

Nah it's not ❗ worthy, it'd just make the sugg a bit clearer

[earnest cape]

oh I was mentioning you deleting your messages

beyah

[hollow shell]

o

[warm scarab]

imfao

my new sugg

[frail mantle]

That looks very SIS

[crude geode]

Bruhhhhhh

If nobody reads google docs nobody is going to read that paste bin

[hollow shell]

That detailed list is

1. painful to read because it's a massive wall of text with no separation
2. mostly unnecessary due to having specific ideas

It looked like you had some valuable info in there that wasn't specific ideas, so you should prolly summarize those points and put em in the main sugg

(Or you can just get rid of it entirely. The sugg will still stand)

[crude geode]

@warm scarab

[warm scarab]

hmm?

so i should make the wall of text something readable or summerize it and put that into the main sugg

(i think imma summerize the wall of text to make it shorter)

[hollow shell]

Specific ideas are not recommended for suggestions. This is addressed in the topmost Don't in the pinned Don'ts Doc

[crude geode]

Yee

Also yes, ranger needs another subclass

[hollow shell]

Suggesting stuff like Soul Darts and Terra Darts, and giving em lil effect descriptions,
is a bad move

[crude geode]

It’s not like bows, guns, rocket launchers that are barely expanded upon despite having a helmet dedicated to them, and flamethrowers are enough variety.

[warm scarab]

ok

[hollow shell]

(I wonder if there will ever be a day where we allow SISs again)

[crude geode]

(Probably not, considering that’s just asking for people to put Patreon weapons in)

[hollow shell]

byeah
We can barely keep up with the items that people paid for us to make
Imagine us trying to keep up with the items people aren't paying for

[warm scarab]

lmao

[crude geode]

Yeah

Wait, isn’t this suggestion basically asking “make darts a subclass”, considering calamity adds nothing to darts?

[frail mantle]

i mean

[eternal escarp]

there is 1 dart weapon in pre ML iirc, byeah

[frail mantle]

dart weapons are already a subclass

not a well developed one by far, but it is a subclass

[hollow shell]

He is just saying "add more"

[muted osprey]

not very viable tho

[warm scarab]

charged dart blaster

[crude geode]

Charged Dart Blaster is the only dart weapon calamity adds.

[warm scarab]

yes

currently darts aren't even viable at all, not to mention the amount of stuff related to darts are too little to make it a subclass

[hollow shell]

mm
You may wanna scale it back a tad
I see that you asked for a dart wep at every stage of the game

That's a bit much to ask for

[crude geode]

Yeah, that’s too large scale.

I also really don’t see the purpose when ranged already has some of the most variety in the game, alongside mage.

[hollow shell]

I think the reason is kinda self-evident. More reason is welcome, but as-is it's okay

Darts exist, but are very underutilized, so utilize them more

[tawny garden]

every class gotta have as many weapons as melee

[frozen hornet]

make darts rogue

[crude geode]

but darts don’t even have a shroomite helmet to justify their subclass nature

[hollow shell]

oh shit, new sugg idea

[tawny garden]

which message are you talking about

[hollow shell]

Cursed's

[frozen hornet]

I was going to say spectralstorm and firestorm cannons are dart weapons

[tawny garden]

Ah

SIS

[hollow shell]

Not really

[crude geode]

Personally, I just don’t see the purpose in adding another subclass when there already is an underutilized subclass in ranger, rocket launchers.

[frozen hornet]

But spectral and fire are flare gun upgrades

[warm scarab]

edited the sugg a bit

[crude geode]

Still too large scale.

[warm scarab]

i still have more to edit

[warm scarab]

the idea is to make darts a viable subclass whatcha expecting

[hollow shell]

(We could add a singular Shroomite helmet to encompass every non-standard ranged wep type
Darts, flares, stars, ammoless, snowballs...)

[warm scarab]

snowball

no i'm not going to make a sugg about snowball subclass and i will never do that

ammoless hmmmmmmmmmmm

[earnest cape]

based

[crude geode]

Holy Flare Snowballs

[warm scarab]

hellfire snowballs

[crude geode]

If it wasn’t for the fact that I already have better ideas for a Patreon Item I would do Holy Flare Snowballs Byeah

[hollow shell]

The reasoning on the dart sugg is better, but uhh
you still got the pastebin attached

[earnest cape]

delete thy link

[warm scarab]

i'm editing the pastebin

and after i finished editing the pastebin you can see if it's still ok to have it attatched

if not then i'll remove it

[hollow shell]

and you say "for every stage of the game", which I don't know if that means every individual boss tier, or just the three big progression sections. That could be clearer.

Preferably it'd be the latter. The former would be like, full dedicated update material.

[frozen hornet]

dart and flares update

[crude geode]

this suggestion can be trimmed down a lot

[warm scarab]

the former is for the pastebin
the latter is the entire sugg

the pastebin is just to provide ideas

[hollow shell]

Pastebin not needed

[crude geode]

Mhm

[hollow shell]

I'm aight with the long reason cuz it elaborates on why darts could provide uniqueness to ranger and where new content most needed

(some more line breaks would be nice tho)

[crude geode]

It’s definitely hard to digest without line breaks

[warm scarab]

ok

[crude geode]

Ah, post golem variety. Definitely something that is absolutely needed.

[hollow shell]

yo why isn't the Stynger a combo Dart+Launcher weapon type? That'd be neat

[warm scarab]

wait yeah

[crude geode]

Bc darts bad

[warm scarab]

make stynger bolts darts

[ashen warren]

imagine an endgame dart weapon that does like 10k per hit but you multiply that damage with cursed dart

[frozen hornet]

Sounds op

[hollow shell]

aight, those breaks are nice

I gotta sleep so I'll read your pastebin edits in the morning
but I'm just gonna say, you have enough elaboration in your reasoning to not need any additional stuff, imo

[earnest cape]

sleep

[tawny garden]

^

[sharp prism]

No

[tawny garden]

Yes

Dank

ffs

[warm scarab]

lmfao

i'll make the wall of text bearable

because i mentioned a lot of dart/dart weapon ideas there and i don't want to waste 50% of my brain cells on nothing

[eternal escarp]

most people after t2 dont even use the canes anyways so theres no reason to really collect the mana tbh

maybe right clicking the gem could have just got all the mana to you which should have been a vanilla thing tbf

[cobalt pewter]

The more elegant solution would be to make Defender's Forge drop Etherian Mana when placed near active Crystal imo

Idk

[eternal escarp]

tbh the best solution is to make a side mod to expan the whole event

but that takes effort and someone who knows code

[tawny garden]

I bet someone has done it already

Or is doing it

[eternal escarp]

prolly yeah

[hot zephyr]

Reactive DR being a quick fix for outlier builds is a good thing

Saying that reactive DR breaks boss non-linearity might be the biggest overstatement of the millennia. If you're using gear from a tier above you're still going to shred the boases

There are quite literally zero situations where getting the next tier's gear doesn't make you extremely strong against the prior tier in the current build of the mod. But reactive DR does make on-tier balance a lot better.

I also think that "true balance" without reactive DR is not something that's realistically attainable just because of the small size of Calamity testers and the pretty RNG heavy nature of Terraria in general. There will always be a meta build or an underpowered weapon no matter how many changes are made. Reactive DR is insurance that the difference between "meta" and off-meta weapons isn't too high

[warm scarab]

@cobalt pewter that's a good sugg, but i have a better idea
how about an item to instantly skip to the next wave when used, and the item is dropped from the first defeat of the event with the medals

said item shouldn't be consumable

that'd be better

[ashen warren]

Sooo, corrupted eyes ok suggestion?

[crude geode]

Calamity isn’t really a vanity mod

[eternal escarp]

more of a CalVal suggestion tbh

[cobalt pewter]

The names and stuff aren't needed, and I can't find a strong reason to add eye related vanities

[eternal escarp]

ig?

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

[cobalt pewter]

Complicated

[robust lava]

Have you heard of Yoraiz0r's Spell?

[crude geode]

Doesn’t that shade the eyes

[robust lava]

It creates a cool eye trail

[crude geode]

Ahhhh

[robust lava]

Idk what they exactly wanted with "corrupted eyes", so I thought that might be relevant to know

[eternal escarp]

in any way this sounds more of a calval thing imo

there isnt really a reason for this to be in calamity, like others said

[tawny garden]

@ YuH

[hollow idol]

No.

[eternal escarp]

that settles it

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

[warm scarab]

it's not

[hardy dock]

wtf is a Corrupted Eye

[sleek turret]

government eye

[tawny garden]

[sleek turret]

hmm, isn't Yoraiz0r's Spell actually a "corrupted eye" when dyied to something purple?

[tawny garden]

might be

[gray nebula]

edgelord vanity

,

[sleek turret]

kind words iban

[void kelp]

@tranquil perch yo I got a quick q about your sugg: what do you mean by portal animation since current DoG comes charging out of a portal

[tranquil perch]

hold on, ill get a picture to show u what i mean

[warm scarab]

you mean the star thing

and he should come out of it

ic

[swift frost]

Im gonna just say one thing,does anyone think ceaseless feels annoying and a bit overtuned?I’ve died to him 136 times on revengence and im getting sick of it.I’m doing better at the polter fight than him,and I think thats a problem since polter is realistically meant to be fought after ceaseless.Hes just an annoying boss with a boring gimmick and attacks that go:“oh,your arena isnt the size of an olympic football field?Good luck dodging when you’re gravitated for 5 hours and get chained by 10 dark energies!”.Getting hit once by that means you take huge damage from the rest of the energies and it takes a long time to recover that health.The whole gimmick of “kill the enemies before hitting the boss” is executed in an annoying way and makes the fight take 8 years if one dark energy happens to be alive in the corner.Giving ceaseless actual attacks with his energies (making a circle around you,having them make a wall and charge,comvjne etc) would make the enemy takedown gimmick far more interesting and fun and give more creativity to a boss that normally has 2 attacks.You should also be able to see the energies on the map when theres 10 or less,so you can track them down.

[void kelp]

CV gets faster in a bigger arena actually

[swift frost]

Which is oxymoronic imo,I know “beeg arena= more space to dodge” but he can summon 2 damn rings at a time that take up huge amounts of space.

[tranquil perch]

so you know, yea there's this star thing, but the moment he actually teleports, it dissapears, and you get an awkwardly uncoiling pile of segments

my suggestion is, what if the star stayed overlayed on the pile of segments

(and posibly bigger, in case it cant cover all of the segments)

[void kelp]

ah ic

[safe oasis]

i love how one suggestion is to buff tarragon and the one right after is to nerf it

[swift frost]

Well,to nerf a very specific broken use case

[tranquil perch]

so, mechworms tp telegraph stays overlayed

to cover that mess of segments

[void kelp]

ic ic

[sleek turret]

uhh

[distant gyro]

it's certainly post-golem, particularly post-pbg

[sleek turret]

yeah I was about to say that.

[distant gyro]

two, kill times are needed because balance suggestion rules

[sleek turret]

also maybe some vocabulary on the sugg?

[frail mantle]

aren't balance suggestions meant to go directly to a tester instead of going through the whole sugg process

[hot zephyr]

Aren't most things being rebalanced anyways?

I thought balance suggs were kinda murdered until 1.5 is out

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[distant gyro]

I still can't hold this suggestion credible as it's from the same person who claimed minmaxed pre-dog belladonna has the dps of calamari's lament

[cobalt pewter]

Right now it's pML

[distant gyro]

[cobalt pewter]

[pine star]

[sleek turret]

belladonna, PRE-DOG.

[distant gyro]

at that point throwing dps numbers may have lost its value

[sleek turret]

[zenith hazel]

@rancid saddle ^

[sleek turret]

also need to check the uhh, Tarragon Mage armor bonuses.

[rancid saddle]

thats a shitpost ;v

[zenith hazel]

so?

[rancid saddle]

considering it also passed the process I don't see whats wrong with the sugg

[zenith hazel]

if you shitpost in suggs then it heavily reduces your chances of your other suggs being valid

yea idk how it passed

it's supposed to be ❗ 'd

guess someone forgot

anyway this is invalid too so like

[sleek turret]

also Hamburger's sugg seems too specific using as using a specific combo to deal max damage (?)

[distant gyro]

Precisely, shitposting still harms credibility

[cobalt pewter]

It's already ❗

So yech

[distant gyro]

honestly cock is an enigma

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wait

The cock one?

[sleek turret]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Probably too specific imo? Cock is just broken

[earnest cape]

I

[distant gyro]

also that sounds like a bug

[sleek turret]

p much yeah.

[distant gyro]

why swap to biofusillade

[earnest cape]

Wait i have a question

[distant gyro]

there's clearly some super specific oddity going on here

[earnest cape]

How does tarragon mage's leaves work

[distant gyro]

when you hit it just shits out leaves I think

[earnest cape]

So reaver mage?

[rancid saddle]

bruh I thought that was ethereal talisman bruh

[distant gyro]

except it doesn't pierce

[earnest cape]

Alright

Yeah honestly i dont see the point of the sugg

[distant gyro]

ham's sug may as well be a bug at that point

[earnest cape]

Yeh

Honestly just make the leaves from tarragon scale with attack speed so more att sp.=less damage

Like how more fire rate with bloodflare bullets make hem heal less

But with danage

Damage

[grim tusk]

5k dps

Thats like bad for provi

Also Weaver is a worm, what did you expect

#suggestions-voting message
Speaking of Rocket launchers, buff scorpio, its like barely is an upgrade to snowman cannon

[cobalt pewter]

Asking to remove dust in cal is like asking to remove someone's heart

[grim tusk]

just replace dust with an explosion image lel

[cobalt pewter]

Genius

[grim tusk]

Same for Gale

SsV just needs to vomit less dust

[cobalt pewter]

If none is possible, none

[distant gyro]

explosion image is arguably worse because it takes a toll on your RAM iirc

SSV can just last for less time so there's less of them existing at once, then the speed can be buffed again etc

[cobalt pewter]

Just make SSV spew no dust

[distant gyro]

dust isn't a problem from SSV from what I know

it's just raw drawing magic with a big lag

[tranquil perch]

wait what even is SSV main projectile

is it just a ton of slightly transparent images overlayed

[distant gyro]

it's this thing on top of each other 27 times

byeah

[eternal escarp]

w...why?

[hot zephyr]

Because it looks cool

[tranquil perch]

sacrifice performance for Looks coolness

[eternal escarp]

fair enough

[tawny garden]

Dunno what's all this performance fuss is about...

[knotty moat]

oh hey someone did another dart suggestions

[vocal grotto]

If it comes down purely to drawing dust isn't exempt from that either. Hundreds to even thousands of draws done every frame.

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Corrupted Eye?? What do you mean

This exists, is it what you mean?
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Yoraiz0r's_Spell

[tawny garden]

lol good static image in the embed

[ashen warren]

Have you seen those puppet fighters with red eyes in smash bros ultimate?

[tawny garden]

thanks pisscord

[ashen warren]

And they glow

Yeah that

[hollow shell]

So, Yoraizor's Spell?

[tawny garden]

you can dye the Yoraizor's Spell

[hollow shell]

(It's red by default, even)

[ashen warren]

Oh

I thought it was for flying

I havent played terraria in a while ok

[hollow shell]

Okay

[ashen warren]

And im a 1.2 player

Sooo

[tawny garden]

it is wings, but it's also a vanity item

[hollow shell]

Geez dude what are you doing suggesting for Calamity then, lol

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

(tbf there's nothing wrong in going straight to modded)

[hollow shell]

(well there kinda is, in that you'd be overwhelmed and likely wouldn't be able to tell what is and isn't part of the mod.)

[tawny garden]

(unless you don't care)

[knotty moat]

what did i miss? other than a guy that wwnt from 1.2 to modded

[hollow shell]

Armor mixing is almost never a bad thing imo
Because it requires a brain

99% of cases people go for the full set of armor for the set bonus

[cobalt pewter]

Probably, but to take an example, Red Riding Hood chest piece gives 25% summon and ranged damage, which is big at that tier, and only chest piece no less

[glass sentinel]

yea and by mixing and matching armor pieces you get ridiculous bonuses

[hollow shell]

Good! (imo)

[hot zephyr]

Armor mixing should be encouraged but OOA armors are wild with their stat distribution

The problem I think is that they're really boring as armor and are currently just overglorified stat sticks

[heady lichen]

also this has been suggested like 20 times already

but dear god

make summoner nerf 75% instead of 50% on ooa armors

[hollow shell]

Won't happen because devs hate OOA

[languid quartz]

tbh you could remove a lot of suggs

[hollow shell]

Testers, specifically

[languid quartz]

if you just remove OOA

I bet I could find like 20 "give OOA something interesting" suggs if I tried

[heady lichen]

tbh the only people who care about ooa at this point are minmaxers like me and the nohit community

[languid quartz]

no?

imo OOA has a lot of potential

it's just kinda random

[heady lichen]

I know, it's just that it's wasted

so nobody cares

[languid quartz]

and since cal doesn't add anything nobody does it, thus nobody likes it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heady lichen]

yep, a whole event reduced to 3 armor pieces

[crude geode]

Cal doesn’t bother fixing it*

You would need a separate mod to fix it, essentially

[heady lichen]

it's in the spot where it's not small enough to easily rework but too small to otherwise care about

[hollow shell]

(shit, I also wanted that sugg in voting to be made less specific.

At least the reason was elaborated more)

[muted osprey]

[warm scarab]

[hollow shell]

Hello

You reminded me to check your pastebin

And, it seems like it's exactly the same except you added a very redundant thing to the top

[crude geode]

@warm scarab See Above

Personally I don’t think the paste bin is at all necessary. The suggestion is fine on it’s own.

[warm scarab]

ok

[hollow shell]

Alright, thank you

❗ removed

[earnest cape]

Why is the trend of suggs OOA lately

I keep seeing them

[safe oasis]

they look at previous ooa suggestions and get ideas of their own ooa revamps

[earnest cape]

And frankly its making me scared that people actually care about the event

[safe oasis]

and remember that ooa even exists

[earnest cape]

[hot zephyr]

It honestly could be made great tbh

It's already better than a lot of "events"

[earnest cape]

Yeah i definitely want to see the event be made great

I like the concept that isnt just "random enemies spawn out of nowhere!!!!! We're gonna get YOU"

did that make any sense

YOOOOOOOOO 199 STARS

[hot zephyr]

Time to unstar

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

advertising

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

Rover

[earnest cape]

ples nu

[hot zephyr]

Sugg advertising

[earnest cape]

:LIVE:

[rich hawk]

[hot zephyr]

You fool

You've doomed us all

[rich hawk]

dear god

[earnest cape]

thank

[rich hawk]

[earnest cape]

now the waiting game

[zealous ridge]

its a good suggestion

[hot zephyr]

I want it to pass

So I never have to see it again

This rivals peepoweird

[earnest cape]

:(

[zealous ridge]

how

[earnest cape]

Is it cause i reposted it twice already

[crude geode]

this was posted 3 times. peepoweird was posted so many more times.

[zealous ridge]

ah, i didnt realize it was posted more than once

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but this one is three times as long as Peepoweird

[zealous ridge]

...why did it take so long, anyways

i could honestly pass it as a bug, really

[hot zephyr]

It's also equal to the amount posted by a single person, since two people kept suggesting peepoweird

:)

[earnest cape]

fun

peepoweird moment

[zealous ridge]

okay cool but emotes

anyways

good sungongestion

Birb broken

[earnest cape]

always has been

[sleek turret]

I can agree with this sugg.

[earnest cape]

@heady storm

[crude geode]

chill

[earnest cape]

im excited okay

[crude geode]

"Please do not ask why your suggestion isn't delivered or ping a mod to do so, it is not automated, it will be delivered, give it time."

[heady storm]

(Okay but where.)

[earnest cape]

mb

#suggestions-voting message

[heady storm]

And yeah what Cursed said.

[mystic cloak]

Ayyy grats on your suggestion.

[earnest cape]

I'll try to not do it next time

[zenith hazel]

lowkey advertising indeed

[earnest cape]

echsad

[heady storm]

I can deliver it now so it is whatever.

[mystic cloak]

Oh I just checked suggestions-voting, how does that work btw? cause I noticed that some mods put it in manually, and some suggestions, the bot puts in

[earnest cape]

when a sugg that isn't ❗ it'll pass on to sugg voting

sometimes mods manually pass it on when the bot is not working

im making it sound like the sugg died

[mystic cloak]

Ah, gotcha, ty

Also wanted to ask about something before potentially posting it, has someone asked about the boss zen multiplayer abuse, where one can kite a boss for whatever length of time, so they can abuse a mob-free abyss? Just double checking in here, can't remember if one was posted or not regarding that.

[earnest cape]

actually yes

[crude geode]

I believe it's known and getting merc'd.

[mystic cloak]

Ah, gotcha, was curious about that

[safe oasis]

quite recently yeah

[mystic cloak]

I do hope that gets fixed/changed

Makes abyss a bit too cheesable

Also a brief idea to ponder before posting, would it be unnecessarily difficult, or just unnecessary to begin with, to have a visual indicator of what some weapons will actively fire, such as the mad alch cocktail glove? As I understand, some weapons will rotate on a specific firing pattern of projectiles, and maybe having a small visual indicator to tell you "oh this potion is up next" or "oh this projectile on x weapon is up next on the next use" could be nice. Just a small QoL thing I was thinking about for a moment.

[crude geode]

I can't recall if any other projectile really behaves that way

[mystic cloak]

I think Ace's high might have functioned similarly, or were the suits randomized?

[safe oasis]

that could be solved by just remembering the order

very few weapons actually act like that so its not really needed

[mystic cloak]

I guess in a way, even still, it would be a nice QoL touch to it, but probably unnecessary amount of work for it.

[hollow shell]

That might be hard to program but it could be done, there's value in doing it

The Hive (PBG's launcher) also has multiple projs

[crude geode]

it feels kinda unneeded, especially since it's exclusive to two patreon weapons iirc

[mystic cloak]

Hm. Might still be worth the merit 🤷

[crude geode]

I mean, will it really change what you do with the weapon? You're still gonna shoot it directly at the enemy.

[hollow shell]

((There's also Coral Cannon with the occasional strong shot))

[mystic cloak]

^

[hollow shell]

But yeah that's true

[mystic cloak]

I think I'll probably hold on posting it as a suggestion, but something worth considering in the future if resources aren't too strapped.

Thanks for the brief feedback 👍

[crude geode]

I wouldn't know exactly how much it changes things, since I haven't played around with Hive or Ace's High or Mad Alch's Glove too much.
There's definitely merit to it I just don't want you posting anything because I'm about to

[mystic cloak]

[hollow shell]

@dark urchin Prolly should specify which aspect of Murasama you mean in your top line

[dark urchin]

Ok

[hollow shell]

When I first read it I thought you meant the fully animated custom swing

[mystic cloak]

Might want to reword that to "Boss Gated Item"

[hollow shell]

That looks better
iunno if post-Yharon2 really needs to be specified but I see you're expecting em to all be tied to the labs

[dark urchin]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

But I do think your reason could be stronger overall

[dark urchin]

K

[hollow shell]

Maybe bring up class representation

[crude geode]

it kinda boils down to "it's cool" at the moment

[hollow shell]

Like, why does only melee get the cool locked weapon?

[crude geode]

bc fabsol's melee and MGR: R bias

[hollow shell]

answer: Because melee

[crude geode]

[mystic cloak]

So, from what I understand, you want to open up an arsenal of "class representation" amidst weapons similar to Murasama, which are all officially usable at the completion of Yharon Phase 2, so it's not just lol only melee gets fancy weapon hehe

[crude geode]

Make them all references to other games pls don't

[hollow shell]

It could work because of how Phaseslayer is, in lore, a prototype of Murasama
So each of the Mura-like class weps could be advanced forms of other Arsenal weapons

(It'd make Mura less special but, :woman_shrugging: )

[crude geode]

(Melee really doesn't need that special, exclusive thing. It already has 200 weapons and a decent amount of them also have a incredibly sick animation)

[dark urchin]

Yes

[mystic cloak]

I also partially agree with this

Melee does get a lot of special treatment as Fabsol seems to adore the class subtype, so maybe opening up the options of "end game locked fancy weapons" amidst all class types could add some better flavor to it

And the idea that rover offered would actually be an amazing addition lore wise

The real question is, would they be limited to specific draedon lab areas? For ex: mage one limited to the planetoid lab?

[crude geode]

Melee is both too good and fucking awful at the same time. Unlike most other classes (looks at summoner) it has almost no weapon variety outside of the option of true melee sword or beam sword. Most other classes have at least three developed subclasses, but melee only has one class of weaponry, swords. But at the same time, it has way too many of those things?

[mystic cloak]

And is there enough biome based labs for each weapon type

'nother thing to consider for the suggestion ^

[crude geode]

jungle, ice, space, sunken

[safe oasis]

minor thing but bold the title

[crude geode]

it ain't neccessary

[hollow shell]

Bolding title is not needed

[safe oasis]

but it looks nicer

[crude geode]

Too bad

[safe oasis]

[hollow shell]

Also

melee only has one class of weaponry, swords
Do you just mean that in terms of practicality? Cuz there's obviously more melee wep types

[crude geode]

yeah, there is more subclasses

it's just that compared to swords, there is no support.

[safe oasis]

melee post ml is sword or perish

except for yharon

[dark urchin]

Like flails are cool, but they are kinda shit with a couple exceptions

[crude geode]

For example, you can see ranged getting buffs to specifically rocket launchers or bows, and rogue getting boosts to specifically spiky balls or javelins. But melee doesn't get anything to support their subclasses outside of funny yo-yo bag that's in vanilla.

[mystic cloak]

Yo-yo bag does need further advancement

I think fabsol has a bit of a hate boner for yoyo's (not entirely sure but judging by how little support it gets, I'd say so LOL), so it'd be hard to suggest stuff to path further from it.

[crude geode]

It's because yo-yo bag is the worst thing to balance.

[mystic cloak]

Or it could be something as simple as have it combine w/ elemental gauntlet.

[hollow shell]

byeah
Spears and shortswords are the only ones that are.. even remotely comparable
A majority of the melee class is broadswords

Ranged is pretty evenly split between bows, guns, and the rest
Magic leans towards wands but is pretty evenly distributed among wands, magic guns, and tomes
Summon leans super heavy into minions with barely any sentries...
And uhh Rogue is quite even across all 5 (or 6) of its types, with Spiky Balls just getting a slight shaft

[crude geode]

You have to balance arounds yo-yos having double dps

[hollow shell]

Compared to all the other classes (except summoner), melee is really biased to one subclass

[dark urchin]

Yes. Imagine a post scal yoyo

[hollow shell]

There is exactly 1.

Azathoth.

[dark urchin]

Oh there is?

[safe oasis]

summoner makes up for that with every minion being unique in its own way though

[mystic cloak]

swurd go sweeeng

[hollow shell]

ye
It's a successor to the Terrarian
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Azathoth

[mystic cloak]

Yeah but sentry presence is non-existent lol

[hollow shell]

Minions are a lot more unique among themselves than swords are

[crude geode]

There's no accessories like magic quiver or scuttler's jewel for melee's flails or spears.

[hollow shell]

You could technically divide minions into subclasses if you wanted
The ones that hit the enemies and the ones that shoot at the enemies

[safe oasis]

so where does stardust cell fall into those

[hollow shell]

uhhh

Yes.

[safe oasis]

[fossil finch]

And the obscure "i actually debuff you"

[mystic cloak]

Ones that chase, hover on player/orbit player, and ones that hover w/in area or stick onto stuff

[dark urchin]

[mystic cloak]

And broken into attack type of shoot or smack face

[crude geode]

The reason why certain subclasses aren't supported is due to the fact that Vanilla adds something that immensely fucks with balancing said weapons.
yo-yo bag doubles all yo-yo dps
OOA causes you to have additional sentries when originally they were meant as a nice little support damage that you have one of.

[mystic cloak]

Also we should probably move this to gen considering it's becoming less suggestion-y and more discussion-y

[crude geode]

prolly

my final thoughts are uh
melee class? more like sword class.

[hollow shell]

(Don't forget to edit your sugg's reason btw, Agent 25)

[dark urchin]

Ok

[hollow shell]

This is a fine sugg, Cursed

[crude geode]

ty

[hollow shell]

Wasn't there some mini-campaign for a series of enemy suggestions, a lil while back?
Thomas was involved I think

[crude geode]

There was a large discussion about it

[safe oasis]

did any of them pass

[crude geode]

I made a suggestion regarding the phantoplasm enemies, didn't pass

I believe that was the only one actually made

[hollow shell]

Well, "didn't pass"
It only got delivered today

[crude geode]

oh wow

[earnest cape]

nice.

[hollow shell]

(spoiler, it doesn't look like it'll get approved, but there is an ulterior reason for that which is potentially much better)

[crude geode]

oh that's intriguing

[earnest cape]

i wonder what that is

[crude geode]

As much as I dislike them, I think Cuttlefish are probably one of the most interesting enemies in Calamity. They're unique and function differently from most other enemies in the game, punishing you for not paying attention and rushing through the abyss by ambushing you. I almost never notice them before they get me though.

[hollow shell]

That's an interesting take

[crude geode]

Yea, more enemies with designs that fit with their biome would work super well. Instead of Wheel that gets stuck on the side of a house

[ashen warren]

I have interesting idea to give them a debuff to players like blinding you with ink 🤔

[hollow shell]

Well, the miniboss squid already has something like that

[ashen warren]

the colossal squid latches on to you doesnt it

[crude geode]

yeah it vores eats you and blinds you.

[hollow shell]

It does

But the projectiles it fires also inflicts Darkness
(in case you're not wearing Ankh Shield or its upgrades)

This isn't documented on the wiki for some reason

[crude geode]

Considering how squishy Cuttlefish are, I don't think anybody would notice an ink debuff from them.

[safe oasis]

do it yourself smh

[hollow shell]

Already on it

[crude geode]

It's probably because encountering them without an ankh shield is so unlikely, so nobody noticed it.

[hollow shell]

Prolly

[crude geode]

byeah

Despair Stones are kind of an awful enemy for their biome because they can't move effectively. If there's any type of house in the way, they're stuck and can't get to you, which is extremely common in Brimstone Crags. If Despair Stones were on the surface biome? yes they would be threatening because of their speed and the (mainly) flat terrain. But not in the Brimstone Crags.

[hollow shell]

You can make a suggestion about that as well
in uhh, 3 and a half hours

[crude geode]

I don't really feel like making a suggestion exclusively to Despair Stones tbfh.

[warm scarab]

melee minion/ranged minion/sentry

hm

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm scarab]

i could make a sugg on moving spooky armor's progression tier

because

you get tiki

and then you kil some mourning woods

and tiki is useless

[earnest cape]

tiki and leaf wings

[hollow shell]

Don't the two armors have a dynamic, like Tiki giving more raw stats but Spooky giving more total minions?

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

[earnest cape]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

In fact I'm concerned about Fathom Swarmer

Not sure of its role in the progression

When Spooky and Tiki fill up the polarizing niches at that point

[hollow shell]

Fathom's a bit earlier but I think it's got more of a tank role

It has noticeably more defense than Tiki and Spooky, and also has DR

[earnest cape]

fathom under water too

more stats

[cobalt pewter]

Imagine

Underwater arena

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

:)

[marble hazel]

😔

[warm scarab]

not you

talking about the armor set

[cobalt pewter]

Considering that facetanking is no longer a thing

Are you referring to 1.5?

[safe oasis]

wait isnt the limit 2 suggs

[hollow shell]

Yeah the limit is 2 suggs
You've gotta wait until your dart suggestion gets moved to voting, HamburgerBoi

[cobalt pewter]

mfw

[hollow shell]

(also, out of curiosity I decided to actually 'categorize' minions by melee vs ranged
Contact damage minions are in pink, Projectile minions are in green, and minions which do both are in blue)

A decently even spread, leaning a bit on the projectile side

[safe oasis]

wouldnt cold divinity classify as blue

[earnest cape]

you spend more time doing this than going to sleep

this is more fun tho

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah Divinity would be blue, forgot the spikes dealt damage even while orbiting

[earnest cape]

oh cosmic immaterializer don't do contact damage? the more i know

[hollow shell]

(Gastric should also be green)

[tawny garden]

There's a lot more green in that

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[earnest cape]

wouldn't igneous also be blue

since it has a right click where you can shoot

[hollow shell]

Yeah cuz of the raining blades

It's been a long time since I played summoner, I don't know a lotta the new ones that well

[earnest cape]

fair, fair

[hollow shell]

Vile Feeder would also be blue I think

[earnest cape]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

Vile Feeder is projectile no? It only triggers when it collides with enemies

[tawny garden]

@warm scarab you gotta in fact remove your latest sugg from posting and save it for a bit later

[cobalt pewter]

It doesn't actually deal contact dmg iirc

[hollow shell]

Does it deal a single hit of contact damage upon latching?

[earnest cape]

vile feeder latches on and spawns the same feeders as scourge of the corruptor iirc

[hollow shell]

Not the same ones, but similar

[earnest cape]

yeh

I'll test that actually

[tranquil perch]

now sort them by color instead of alphabetical order

[hollow shell]

(nah I mean literally I can see that they're a unique file)

[tranquil perch]

i can test vile feeder rn i got tmodloader open

[cobalt pewter]

Great crop, phone

[tranquil perch]

feedza was faster

[earnest cape]

oh wait no vile feeder is just purple

[tawny garden]

Is that the new fandom mobile skin?

[cobalt pewter]

Seems like so

Stoopid fandom

[tranquil perch]

:fuck_mobile:

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

it latching on doesn't deal contact damage it seems

[earnest cape]

[remote crystal]

Didn't vile feeder used to be like, super busted?

[hollow shell]

Okay then, Green it is.

And yeah but only under weird conditions

[cobalt pewter]

It was broken in the most literal way

iirc

[earnest cape]

it

[cobalt pewter]

But maybe you weren't referring to the iframe issue

[earnest cape]

ignored immunity frames

[remote crystal]

P sure I saw a video of it being used against Aureus, and said video claimed it was a pre boss weapon?

[cobalt pewter]

It's not preboss

[remote crystal]

Either pre boss or post hive

[hollow shell]

It.. kind of is pre-boss

[earnest cape]

it's technically pre boss

[cobalt pewter]

Post EoW iirc (or technically so)

[hollow shell]

If you count killing only a few EoW segments as not defeating the boss

[earnest cape]

just kill a few- yea

[warm scarab]

what?

[hollow shell]

There's a limit of 2 suggs per day

[cobalt pewter]

You have 3 suggs in posting

[earnest cape]

annihilate the latest sugg

[warm scarab]

aight

[remote crystal]

Huh, so a post evil boss weapon that could carry up to ML, don't see a reason to nerf

[earnest cape]

and post it later

:okayChamp:

definitely none

[tawny garden]

There's no antisugg

[cobalt pewter]

It couldn't now iirc, it should be relatively balanced atm?

[earnest cape]

it's just good

[tawny garden]

Annihilation happens between matter and antimatter

[frail mantle]

it is

[earnest cape]

i hate you philo

[remote crystal]

Antimatter is wacky and uncharacteristic

[warm scarab]

anyone help sugg deus and destroyer shouldn't have a hitbox in br when they're invincible

because celestus

[cobalt pewter]

?

[warm scarab]

nanoblack

[remote crystal]

Still not as scary as the ocean imo

[earnest cape]

what?

[tranquil perch]

how about planetary annihilation

its just "there"

[warm scarab]

i softlocked the game with 1 accidental celestus shot on br deus

[earnest cape]

your fault for using celestus lol

[remote crystal]

Softlock as in game froze, or?

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

Yea prob game froze

Dont use celestus on Destroyer or Deus til after 15 seconds have passed

[earnest cape]

don't use celestus for any worm bosses in boss rush*

[remote crystal]

Man, the work DR mechanic is reasonable and I hate it

[earnest cape]

fixed

[remote crystal]

Worm*

[warm scarab]

game froze

[remote crystal]

F

Anything I need to clarify with that suggestion?

[tawny garden]

It's good

[safe oasis]

looks alright

[cobalt pewter]

Sugg is valid

[whole sedge]

Yeah it's valid, i personally don't like it but very valid

[cobalt pewter]

But imo the elegant solution is just make the coiled phase make worm body segments not take damage at all

Like DoG

[remote crystal]

Only reason I could see for it being shot down is no-hit challenges being made easily cheesable

[cobalt pewter]

I'm surprised only DoG gets this

[earnest cape]

it's dog

what did you expect

[remote crystal]

Yeah, DoG breaks rules

[hollow shell]

Does the DR really "majorly" slow down the farming of the bosses?

[tawny garden]

Oh that's a good point

[hollow shell]

Doesn't it only last for a few seconds? (except for Deus)

[cobalt pewter]

It's 8s on Destroyer iirc

Also EoW straight up doesn't uncoil in rev+ iirc?

It just plops

[safe oasis]

just make every worm plop like eow

problem solved

[remote crystal]

If you've got a good piercing weapon to take out the worms after that, it super reduces it

[tawny garden]

Hm, funy question: do Vanilla worms also spawn coiled in one place?

[safe oasis]

they do yes

though its not noticeable for any non boss ones because they're small

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

Meh

I think the resistance should be kept just for consistency

[warm scarab]

i think the resistance makes it hard to grind stuff

like

i want shpc

i need to grind destroyer

i have a way to kill it in let's say 3 secs

but there's 8 extra secs where i can't do anything

[whole sedge]

killing a boss in 11 seconds still isn't bad

[warm scarab]

the problem is

if the immunity is removed

you take 70% less time to farm the boss

[whole sedge]

8 seconds really doesn't seem like much of a difference at all to me as most of the time you're not going to be killing a boss so exponentially fast at the period you really need to grind destroyer etc

[warm scarab]

well there's a thing called adam throwing axe stealth
there's also a thing called tome of infinite cheese
there's ALSO a thing called palladium javalin stealth strike

all 3 shred destroyer

[whole sedge]

hence why the immunity exists
and isn't SHPC kinda a bad argument cause legendaries are getting changed to be challenge based or

[crude geode]

I believe legendaries are changing yes

SHPC is an extreme case that shouldn't really be counted

[warm scarab]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Legendaries (and RIVs) will be guaranteed on enraged kill iirc

[warm scarab]

enraged kill?

how to enrage destroyer

day?

[cobalt pewter]

There will also be a new difficulty that permanently enrages bosses

[warm scarab]

i don't remember enraging at day

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

day destroyer is dog 2.0

[cobalt pewter]

Likely replacing Defiled in the diff indicator

[warm scarab]

levi will do perma enraged all boss no hit dad mode for sure

[cobalt pewter]

And enrage will be rebalanced as well

[earnest cape]

with nsane DR cause the devs put in a few too many numbers

[warm scarab]

WHAT

maybe add a difficulty slot is good lmfao

[hot zephyr]

Nah

[crude geode]

Defiled and arma are dead crabrave

[hot zephyr]

Defiled is getting changed

[warm scarab]

[earnest cape]

pensive

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah hence why it's getting off the diff indicator

[hot zephyr]

They've wiped that weird crit mechanic out of existence

[warm scarab]

no more wingless?

OH

POGCHAMP

[earnest cape]

it's

[cobalt pewter]

Defiled's wing time removal effect is gonna be on a toggle item like Ball and Chain

[hot zephyr]

Now it's just an item you can favorite

[earnest cape]

been erased for a while now no?

[warm scarab]

what

i have a sugg

[hot zephyr]

Nope

[warm scarab]

anyone mind posting for me

[earnest cape]

huh

no

[cobalt pewter]

No

[crude geode]

no

[earnest cape]

post it yourself

[cobalt pewter]

Don't try to bypass the limits heathen

[whole sedge]

[warm scarab]

i already posted 2 -_-

[warm scarab]

lmfao

[earnest cape]

then wait

[crude geode]

asking other people to post for you pretty much deliberately go against the limits.

[earnest cape]

[warm scarab]

i wanna say make deter breaker active it's effect when favourited

but i remembered it's supposed to remove an acc slot as well if it's an accessory in the first place

[hollow shell]

We haven't removed Determination Breaker yet?

[cobalt pewter]

idk

[frail mantle]

i don't know, were you planning to?

[cobalt pewter]

making it a toggle item like Defiled Feather would be nice iirc imo tbh

why the fuck is it an acc in the first place

[earnest cape]

contrary to popular beliefs yes deter breaker is still in the game

[languid quartz]

it's like defiled but not

[warm scarab]

it's ignored tho

[languid quartz]

defiled is for funny nohit

determination breaker is basically scal lore

so full game nohit

[warm scarab]

d breaker isn't scal lore

it uses an acc slot

[earnest cape]

it's walmart scal lore

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

I always thought that it is an accessory specifically to remove one of your slots

And make the game a bit harder that way

[hollow shell]

At that point just equip the Guide To Plant Fiber Cordage

[earnest cape]

i mean you aren't wrong

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

^^^^^

[tawny garden]

Good point

[hollow shell]

It's like when people to HK Pantheons while wearing Wayward Compass

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

How dare you insult a beautiful accessory like that

[earnest cape]

but wayward compass is THE BEST charm in the game

[tawny garden]

^

[cosmic abyss]

I think d break should be changed to lowering i-frames to 1 because that's is how the kr mechanical it references work

[tawny garden]

KR in undertale removes i-frames completely

You get hit every frame

Not every other frame

[marble hazel]

undertale.

[bitter drift]

megalovenia starts playing in the back ground

[visual wigeon]

Would it be possible to remove the invincibility from astrum Deus phase 2?

Before I bother thinking about it

They spawn uncoiled

[bitter drift]

you mean it's or your's

[visual wigeon]

Theirs

And I guess mine too to make it fair

[bitter drift]

just wear the undertale reference determination breaker

[visual wigeon]

That wouldn't help

All I'm asking is if phase 1 can keep the worm DR but phase 2 can lose it

If it would be possible to code

[bitter drift]

what made it use a DR in the first place

is he popping out of somewhere?

[visual wigeon]

What? All worms take 1 damage a hit when they spawn and for a few seconds

To stop cheesing them with Pierce when they are coiled

[hollow shell]

I know what he's talking about. Astrum Deus does have way too long of an invincibility time for Phase 2

There's been a few suggs about it

iunno if it's planned to be fixed or not, yet

[visual wigeon]

I'll just leave it then

Thanks for the response

[hollow shell]

👍

[earnest cape]

are the devs aware of the immense sudden lag deus can make

[muted osprey]

astrum deus has too long invincibility time in general

even though i beat him pre ravager

[visual wigeon]

Phase one is reasonable at least

[muted osprey]

directly post golem

[tawny garden]

What's lag?

[earnest cape]

Shut up 4k pretty ass man with a 4k monitor

[tawny garden]

yes, my ass is pretty

[cobalt pewter]

I think Kirn has talked to Fab about it. Apparently it's from Deus constantly boosting its speed off screen to catch up, but they don't know what caused it exactly when I heard about it

[earnest cape]

Hmm

[tawny garden]

Variables like speed usually don't cause lag

[earnest cape]

Usually

:thinkies:

[tawny garden]

[grim tusk]

~~luck mechanic ~~

[pine star]

[grim tusk]

If they like run every frame they will lag

[warm scarab]

lol

me making yet another sugg be like

[hot zephyr]

How about

Instead of making it based on held weapon (difficult to make, imagine if you accidentally switch to a pickaxe and get melee weapons)

How about it's based on weapon proficiency

[warm scarab]

good idea

altho proficiency is

[hot zephyr]

Meh

It does what it's supposed to do

[warm scarab]

ye

[grim tusk]

Thorn blossom is Cultist drop

[analog talon]

They probably meant Nettle Burst

[grim tusk]

^

[radiant meadow]

implementing the mechanic onto vanilla bags would be very annoying

[grim tusk]

^

[radiant meadow]

like not worth it

[analog talon]

It would make Kelvin Catalyst harder to get on a solid melee pt

[cobalt pewter]

I think this topic has been brought up?

I faintly remembered

[warm scarab]

waht

[warm scarab]

yes

[crude geode]

It has been I remember

[warm scarab]

[warm scarab]

i didn't say it's possible

it's extremely annoying yeah

[cobalt pewter]

WeaponOut has this mechanic with its fist weapons, where bosses will always drop fists when the player holds a fist weapon when the boss died

[crude geode]

If it’s literally impossible to code, suggestions about it should be barred. It’s why hard coded vanilla feature suggs are banned.

[warm scarab]

yes

it's possible

[cyan lagoon]

but i think weaponout added to the loot pool instead of changing it

yeah?

[cobalt pewter]

Add yes

[warm scarab]

i didn't say it's possible for vanilla bags/bosses...

can yall read

[cobalt pewter]

It might be a bit of effort doing it with weapons of 5 classes on most vanilla and cal bosses

[warm scarab]

look at my sugg

there's 2 solutions

either make some use of proficiency

or do what weapon's out did

[frail mantle]

you don't need to get aggressive just because people disagree with your suggestion

[crude geode]

^

[cyan lagoon]

except (if this isn't sarcastic) it'll be annoying if you want to switch to other classes or are in multiplayer

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not a forgetful idiot it seems, the topic has been brought up

[cyan lagoon]

you might end up with two of the same weapon, or your friend gets screwed out of his weapon

[crude geode]

Yeah if this is like...not reasonable by coding standards, it doesn’t seem valid.

[warm scarab]

oh wait multiplayer exist

[radiant meadow]

if you acknowledge it, you shouldn't use vanilla stuff as examples

[warm scarab]

ok then

[cobalt pewter]

In any case, multiplayer is an evil entity

[warm scarab]

mp shouldn't exist
but it existed anyways

[crude geode]

[hot zephyr]

(also is it really that hard to just.... fight the boss again for the weapon you want?)

[cobalt pewter]

Or just

Cheat sheet

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[warm scarab]

if you like grinding for boss summons yeah

[hot zephyr]

Especially since in the current meta, most boss drops are inferior to crafted weapons

[warm scarab]

there's a ton of ppl out there that are unwilling to cheat AT ALL

[warm scarab]

what

[crude geode]

It’s true

[cobalt pewter]

Boss drops are in a weird state balance wise iirc

Byeah

[radiant meadow]

Can't you like

[crude geode]

All of DoG’s drops are inferior to anything crafted with Cosmilite (besides Mechworm)

[radiant meadow]

buy boss summons?

[warm scarab]

i thought deus drops are viable for ml
folly drops are all valid for provi
polter drops are all good for od

[warm scarab]

deathhail is broken if you know how to use it

[warm scarab]

what if i have a potato and can't use any mods besides calamity main mod

[radiant meadow]

it's

[warm scarab]

||that's my friend's situation||

[radiant meadow]

a part of Calamity

[crude geode]

It’s literally in the main mod.

[radiant meadow]

[crude geode]

[warm scarab]

oh wait bruh

i forgot

[cobalt pewter]

Deathhail was nerfed no?

[radiant meadow]

it was

[crude geode]

So it is in standard with other dog drops, pretty useless but okay at best for the buffed events

[cobalt pewter]

I like some boss drop weapons, but ultimately they have to be worse to crafts iirc

[crude geode]

Not really?

[tawny garden]

They don't have to be

In fact it would be great if they weren't

[crude geode]

For DoG’s drops vs Draedon Forge crafts ig they would have to be worse since you have to go through the “challenge” of the buffed seasonal moons, but like...no reason for Provi’s drops to be worse than uelibloom crafts.

[pine star]

yeah

Or ML drops vs Luminite Bar crafts

[tawny garden]

That is if the events were actually buffed

[crude geode]

implying ice Queen doesn’t like 3 shot you

Byes

Crafting isn’t difficult. It’s just...time consuming. The more important thing is defeating the boss.

But on the topic of the suggestion, moon lord is the only boss that takes a very long to farm once you’ve beaten it. And he’s a major outlier.

[tawny garden]

he has a 1 minute cooldown

[crude geode]

That is indeed why

[sharp prism]

fargo's

[tawny garden]

Isn't it hard to change the chance of getting a weapon on the fly?

Or to mess with drops code in general

[tawny garden]

(or alternatively do nothing and save my sanity)
This.

[sharp prism]

[crude geode]

Ben suffers too much

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

😔

[cobalt pewter]

You can always get (or make!) a small QoL mod that crafts boss drops between themselves if you really hate grinding for them

[tawny garden]

or bother stevie about messing with drops code

[crude geode]

The Bane to Every Calamity Suggestion: Make it yourself in a mod iirc smh my head byech

[sharp prism]

i love this

[tawny garden]

[warm scarab]

the 3rd idea is kinda ech

making grinding money easier at the same time

and finally a mp-friendly sugg from me

[crude geode]

That’s 3 failures in 3 messages

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

Wasn't there a mod that basically overrode the drop function with true

[warm scarab]

what

[tawny garden]

Which made every drop drop

[hot zephyr]

[tawny garden]

With 100% chance

[tawny garden]

Smh emote spam

[hot zephyr]

Stay afraid

[tawny garden]

I hate this Ian guy

[sharp prism]

same

[tawny garden]

Whoever he is

[warm scarab]

lol

[crude geode]

I hate everyone in this chat except God and new suggestors.

[sharp prism]

** **

[crude geode]

Oh and Ben and Iban and the other devs/mods are cool too

Byeah once it gets past a single suggestion you move from newbie to Feedzuh suggestion spammer in my mind

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

HEY

I ONLY MADE ONE SUGG

[sharp prism]

~~@ feedza ~~

[warm scarab]

[sharp prism]

gonna make a new alt every time i make a sugg

[warm scarab]

i'm always a sugg spammer because i have way too many ideas lel

[sharp prism]

WAIT NO

[warm scarab]

[sharp prism]

THAT DIDNT

[tawny garden]

Dank

Stop with your bloody caps

[sharp prism]

[crude geode]

Anyways this is no now longer about the suggestion Byeah.

[sharp prism]

no now

[crude geode]

If it isn’t feasible by coding standards without giving Ben even more of a headache and coding trauma then he already has then I don’t really see it as that valid but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pewter]

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wow

[pine star]

[bitter drift]

we all love you as well :D

[crude geode]

hm yes today I shall be Tsundere Being

[cobalt pewter]

😳

[pine star]

😳

[hot zephyr]

:(