suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Thanks

But uhhh

[tawny garden]

[sharp prism]

I slept like 4hours

[eternal escarp]

byeah the PBG suggest is fine imo

its just doomed to fail

[cobalt pewter]

[muted osprey]

very few people want harder pbg

[eternal escarp]

sounds like something that needs to be brought to devs first hand

[cobalt pewter]

time to ping ozz

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure I'll go

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[eternal escarp]

wait no-

[hollow shell]

Gnight

[muted osprey]

basically only no hitters want harder

[cobalt pewter]

Night rover

👋

[eternal escarp]

ye

[earnest cape]

gnight

[eternal escarp]

night rover

[sharp prism]

night rover

[muted osprey]

night

[rotund tree]

gn

[hollow shell]

[earnest cape]

no i want it nerfed

[sharp prism]

wtf even the lurkers say gn

:fear:

[earnest cape]

[muted osprey]

[cobalt pewter]

I've been noticing this on my normal runs before hand, I just abused it on nohit

[tawny garden]

gn Rover

[eternal escarp]

i want PBG to be what it is atm without making it harder / easier unless its to make it fair

[rotund tree]

i am a lurker

[muted osprey]

I'm not lurker I just came online

cos school finished

[cobalt pewter]

[muted osprey]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

Hm

[rotund tree]

big

[eternal escarp]

calclone sugg number, 6? ebic

[earnest cape]

doesn't this go to the "a lot of work" or something don'ts

[eternal escarp]

idk

read the sugg first

[earnest cape]

I'll just go check

look man I don't want to read that wall

[tawny garden]

No

[warm scarab]

[sharp prism]

reads title oh this sounds difficult

[eternal escarp]

so

ive read half

[muted osprey]

but yeah calclone is piss easy

[eternal escarp]

imo it doesnt really fit calclone at all, byeah ill continue it

[earnest cape]

i have read the first 2 lines of the second paragraph and I already disagree

[eternal escarp]

it looks like a mini boss rush basically

is what they mean

[golden narwhal]

This has a few extra suggs in it

[cobalt pewter]

Another thing that struck me as strange is how the fight isn't mandatory for a mod that is named after it, a change should be made to progression locking out plantera until calamitas and the three mech bosses are defeated.

@kind cipher this is a don't, read the doc in pins. Cal's non-linearity changes are super duper intentional and encouraged

And as asianman said

It's a bundle of stuff

[earnest cape]

yeh

[tawny garden]

Byeah a boss rush in the middle of the fight would be really weird

[golden narwhal]

Focus on one point instead of everything possible

[warm scarab]

bruh moment

[earnest cape]

and also doesn't make any sense if you account lore

[kind cipher]

right okie doke

[earnest cape]

music isn't the fight

[warm scarab]

lmfao

[earnest cape]

ah yes

[cobalt pewter]

@warm scarab wtf

[earnest cape]

why

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

a boss rush in calclone doesnt really fit, and the music isnt canon

[warm scarab]

too much words

[cobalt pewter]

Just

[tawny garden]

Uh

[muted osprey]

though clone sepulcher would be cool

[tawny garden]

No

[warm scarab]

300 words too much

[cobalt pewter]

Summarize the entire thing and put it in sugg

[eternal escarp]

suggestions cant work like that man

[cobalt pewter]

smh

[tawny garden]

Post it properly

[earnest cape]

also it's a rocket sugg

[tawny garden]

Or make a google doc

[eternal escarp]

how did you pass the character limit on a rocket suggesting the fuck

[earnest cape]

as rover said earlier this is not currently possible

[cobalt pewter]

Rover already said rockets aren't feasible until tmod 1.4

[sharp prism]

If your sugg goes over the character limit, your doing something wrong

[eternal escarp]

and we really dont need special rockets anyways, every rocket launcher is unique

[muted osprey]

*hopefully

[warm scarab]

lmfao

[earnest cape]

delete it

[warm scarab]

imma delete it again

lel

[warm scarab]

i always over-do stuff

[muted osprey]

[eternal escarp]

well in any case

[tawny garden]

My Rage rework sugg did

[sharp prism]

Well

[warm scarab]

[tawny garden]

And that succeeded

[eternal escarp]

dont waste your time on rocket sugg, atleast until JE comes to tmod

[tawny garden]

[muted osprey]

lel

[cobalt pewter]

Rage is bound to be reworked pjilo smh

[sharp prism]

i said goes over

[eternal escarp]

because its not feasable

[sharp prism]

smh

[cobalt pewter]

Your sugg was like

The 9th Rage rework sugg

[warm scarab]

i'd personally make a simple sugg to add early game rocket launchers

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

Byeah ik

[eternal escarp]

yeah that sounds good tbh

prolly

[cobalt pewter]

There aren't any rocket launchers in pre HM?

[eternal escarp]

no

you cant get rockets aswell until HM iirc

since u need empty shells from the armsdealer i think

[muted osprey]

rockets are post plant

[eternal escarp]

and explosive powder

[eternal escarp]

not in calamity

[cobalt pewter]

It's early HM with cal yes

[muted osprey]

huh

[eternal escarp]

its early HM

byeah

[cobalt pewter]

But def not phm

[earnest cape]

"""technically""" pumpler right click is a launcher? as well as star cannon and sand gun perhaps?

[eternal escarp]

phm there are absolute 0

eh

[cobalt pewter]

Rocket launcher

[eternal escarp]

pumpler is a gun technically

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

Not just plain old launcher

[eternal escarp]

sand gun is a unique weapon

star cannon is a unique weapon

[muted osprey]

I don't like sand

[earnest cape]

if rocket launcher then ye 0

[cobalt pewter]

Star Cannon is a hellspawn

[eternal escarp]

so idk

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

[muted osprey]

star cannon is incredibly op

[eternal escarp]

well yeah

you arent supposed to have alot of stars
1.4 JE sounds

[tawny garden]

Yes but your sugg which was quite similar in premise only got 124

[earnest cape]

[muted osprey]

(1.4 research noises)

[tawny garden]

1.4

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

funny food items

[muted osprey]

yes

funny chair sit

and also another elderberry

[eternal escarp]

so i had this idea to suggest making all building blocks always be breakable by one swing, since some (i.e profaned rocks and slabs) take 2 swings, and it can be annoying for builders
would this sugg be valid?

[tawny garden]

Yeah why not

[cobalt pewter]

I'm probably more annoyed with star drops from aureus, deus, and stardust crafts, they basically made Star Cannon upgrades lose out on what the original was great on; the lack of sustainability on its ammo for its power

[warm scarab]

Add some pre hardmode rocket launchers

rocket launchers are a cool part of ranged class, but seeing it's bound to hardmode is pretty unsatisfying. it would be a good idea to add some rocket launchers to pre hardmode, making rangers have a bit more choice instead of shredding ds for bow to shred eye and crab and use that gun up to star cannon/phonix blaster/molten fury. Because how grenades exist and can be utilized as ammunition for early game rocket launchers, i think they should all deal damage to the user to balance things out. I personally would like to see rocket launchers at pre boss stage, pre evil boss stage, aerialite stage and statigel stage, which balances out progression like rocket launcher progression balance in hardmode

how does this look

[muted osprey]

eh

[tawny garden]

Though seems like smth for a QoL mod @eternal escarp

[eternal escarp]

hm

[muted osprey]

seems good

[earnest cape]

making a subclass viable

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats fair ig

[tawny garden]

People calm down

[muted osprey]

(aka 1.4 whip class)

[tawny garden]

We can't have 3 conversations at once

Please

[earnest cape]

yeh

[tawny garden]

[muted osprey]

yes we can

[earnest cape]

suggestions ples

[muted osprey]

ok

[warm scarab]

flamethrower is viable
archer is viable
gunslinger is viable
why not rocketeer

[eternal escarp]

ill see if i can phrase the sugg, since its kindof something calamity made, but yeah prolly a QoL mod can edit all blocks (somehow) to be 1 block

[frail mantle]

subclass runs are self-imposed challenges

[muted osprey]

what pre boss flamethrower is there

[cobalt pewter]

make a rocket launcher that allows you to rocket jump

[earnest cape]

those are self-imposed challenges

[eternal escarp]

spark spreader and shadethrower

[cobalt pewter]

:epic:

[muted osprey]

does flare gun count

[eternal escarp]

no

[cobalt pewter]

Pre boss is only spark spreader

[earnest cape]

roxcalibur and slime mount

[muted osprey]

I mean flare gun upgrade

[eternal escarp]

oh he said pre boss, i thought pre hardmode

[muted osprey]

ah nvm

[warm scarab]

firestorm cannon

[rotund tree]

bootleg Getting Over It

[muted osprey]

[eternal escarp]

firestorm is just a flare gun

thats it

[warm scarab]

no

fire storm is a faster flare gun

[muted osprey]

flare gun is just flare gun

[eternal escarp]

by technicallity

[warm scarab]

[cobalt pewter]

Firestorm and Spectralstorm Cannon are basically Star Cannon upgrades with different ammo type

[eternal escarp]

if it uses flares, it counts ingame as flare guns afaik

[cobalt pewter]

I'd rather them expand on darts, since there are a lot of potential on dart design

[eternal escarp]

same as sniper scopes just lets every weapon that uses bullets be able to zoom, since only those count as guns

i assume the game categorizes weapons by ammo type and not by weapon itself

[warm scarab]

wait yeah

[eternal escarp]

so yeah

[warm scarab]

i totally forgot about darts

[muted osprey]

actually what counts as magic gun

[warm scarab]

good question

[sharp prism]

if its on the wiki as "Magic Gun"

[frail mantle]

something that looks like a gun but deals magic damage

[muted osprey]

looks like a gun is very subjective

[frail mantle]

(magic subclasses are a myth)

((the only difference between them is how their sprite looks))

[cobalt pewter]

Too bad darts are basically subclass

[eternal escarp]

mage is full of weapon types that you cant really categorize them as subclasses, only as playstyle / look yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Else I'd sugg it

[muted osprey]

at least tome only is more apparent

[cobalt pewter]

Also as much as ozz wanted to do it, my javelin sugg is also bound to fail

[eternal escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/794905684503822336.gif?v=1

sad

[muted osprey]

context?

[signal glade]

we should add pog gun that is all

[frail mantle]

context: ozz would do it if it weren't for people not wanting their funny spam weapons

pog gun already exists

[signal glade]

what

[eternal escarp]

pogun

[signal glade]

I mean Ingame

[eternal escarp]

[muted osprey]

what pog gun

[frail mantle]

yes

it exists in-game

[cobalt pewter]

HA

[muted osprey]

a

[earnest cape]

pog

[frail mantle]

that gun is, in fact, pogging

[signal glade]

no I mean literraly a guy

[cobalt pewter]

Barracuda Gun finally got its overdue shinies

[signal glade]

with pog face

[eternal escarp]

and i thought i was the only one to see it pogging

[frail mantle]

well that's the closest you're getting

[signal glade]

NO

[earnest cape]

just pay the devs 50$

EZ

[signal glade]

WE MUST STAND UP

AND RISE

[cobalt pewter]

Okay stop.

[muted osprey]

ranger biome chest weapon being viable 😳

[frail mantle]

not really any reason to

[eternal escarp]

when they finish their huge list

[signal glade]

AGAINST POG GUN DISCRIMINATION

jk

do what your doing imma watch you guys rumble it out

adios

[robust lava]

I swear Feedzuh has a screenshot of Ozz saying something for every occasion

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mantle]

yelling at the devs to add a pog gun is about as effective as yelling at the devs to revert the fearmonger nerf because you don't want your funny post-DoG viable for SCal armor nerfed

[eternal escarp]

~~he has a shrine for every thing a dev said that is in his "Grand Scheme Of Rogue Greatness" ~~

[cobalt pewter]

👀

[earnest cape]

ono

[signal glade]

i never used fearmonger so i will never know the pain

[muted osprey]

I used fearmonger and it was pretty pog and broken

I mean immediately post DoG armor does better than silva and maybe auric

kinda bullshit

[cobalt pewter]

Post ML lacks single class armors

[signal glade]

i mean summoner with an armor that removes nerf

[cobalt pewter]

We only have like

[signal glade]

is just all around pog

[cobalt pewter]

Prismatic for mhage

[eternal escarp]

ill craft the sugg anyways just to see if its worth even posting, better trying to giving up early ig

[tawny garden]

Go for it

[eternal escarp]

and im bored out of my mind

first ill test how many blocks are even like this

[muted osprey]

basterd you done testing?

[eternal escarp]

theres way more blocks then i thought

[muted osprey]

[eternal escarp]

and its even wierder uelibloom blocks are 1 swinged while voidstone is 4

[muted osprey]

isn't void stone supposed to be hard to mine tho

[eternal escarp]

well yeah

but why the building varients

[muted osprey]

so you're saying you kinda want the place and naturally generated dungeon bricks and walls situation with voidstone

[eternal escarp]

? cant understand what you mean here

i mean obv voidstone should be hard to break

but the building varients are annoying to build with because of their annoying break time

[muted osprey]

like world generated voidstone will be hard to break while placed is easier to break like how world generated dungeon bricks cause enemies to spawn

[eternal escarp]

oh

well

the easier option is prolly just giving blossom pickaxe more power

then making code to make man placed blocks easier

(if pickaxe power will make it easier to break, that it, not sure how it works)

[marble hazel]

wtf people are racist towards pog guns

[muted osprey]

smh my knees

[eternal escarp]

well the more i tested the more i thought how this sugg is prolly in the "this can be a QoL change" category

but this is really painfull to use these blocks in building

granted, crystyl exists, but its way to fast to be used for building because any small mistake can and will ruin your builds

and tbh, its basically just to dig land more then anything

[sharp prism]

crystyl is improved drill mount but cooler

[eternal escarp]

yeah, its really not fit for building purposes at all

and you could argue "why do they need to start doing this" or smthn, but they already did this with some blocks

like Uelibloom bricks and silva

so idk

might make a sugg later and see what people think

[tranquil perch]

imagine not using home improvement smh

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt increase pickaxe power

and it has annoying things of its own so i find myself switching back and forth from using it

[hollow shell]

I rise from the dead to tell Feedzuh to watch themselves
Got both of the most recent suggs in voting, and two suggs in posting

[cobalt pewter]

I'm treading my steps super carefully now

[tawny garden]

ROVER DAMNIT

[cobalt pewter]

And wtf rover sleep

[sharp prism]

LOL

[tawny garden]

Sleep

😡

[hollow shell]

I'm sorry lads I got insomnia

[sharp prism]

are you talking to me or Rover

[tawny garden]

BOTH

[sharp prism]

[cobalt pewter]

SMH

[tawny garden]

That's like saying "I broke my leg because I broke my leg"

[sharp prism]

all my advice to you

[hollow shell]

The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club.

[eternal escarp]

wha

[tawny garden]

mhm.

[eternal escarp]

well uh, if you cant sleep(which you should), maybe remove that wierd IP (MC server?) in #bugs-read-pins if you have the perm for it

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah rover, technically I'm still doing the suggs twice a day. Once 2 suggs in posting is delivered to voting, I can sugg 2 more theoretically, since the delivered suggs have been through there for a day

[tawny garden]

Fucking hell

[eternal escarp]

feedzuh calculating his suggestions carefully

[tawny garden]

Lower the cap to 1 sugg a day

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

~~lower it to 0 sugg a day ~~

[tawny garden]

Genius

[cobalt pewter]

suggestions have been cancelled

[sharp prism]

#suggestionsisover

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestionsisoverparty

Byeah

In that case, I won't post anything else until my pbg and raider's talisman suggs go into voting

[hollow shell]

Yeah

Makes sense

[eternal escarp]

aka, in about 21 hours from now, time is ticking feed

[cobalt pewter]

Nope, 24 hours

Since I need the most recent suggs to go into voting as well

It's a matter of AND, not OR

[eternal escarp]

ah right

[crude geode]

Ban Feedzuh from posting more than once a month

[sharp prism]

Ban

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Everyone else gets to post five suggestions each five hours

[tawny garden]

😮

[earnest cape]

total amount of suggs going into voting drops down by 35%

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[civic notch]

The good ending

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

[bitter drift]

is it a don't a suggest something related to the heart of the elements?

and no it's not a new elemental

[cobalt pewter]

....nah

HotE is fine

[frail mantle]

It’s not disallowed, no

[bitter drift]

ok then i will post it here first for criticism

[frail mantle]

Better to post it in posting first

That way it won’t be buried by people discussing it

[tawny garden]

👆

[hot zephyr]

One day

[cobalt pewter]

Bully

[tawny garden]

YOU bullied the sugg system

[cobalt pewter]

I'm just optimizing

spoken like a true nohitter

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

optimization is a programmer thing

become dev

[cobalt pewter]

Can't code yet

[pine star]

I can do basic progamming

[cobalt pewter]

I'm still taking baby steps while developing my own mod

Byeah, kinda offtopic

[bitter drift]

posted it
had some trouble with language

[crude geode]

Idk man, 10% is pretty good odds. Sounds like you’re just ungodly unlucky

[hardy dock]

kinda meh imo

[cobalt pewter]

mfw probability

Byeah 10% isn't as ungodly bad

Usually it's just luck

[hardy dock]

i feel like making them craftable really defeats the purpose of them

[crude geode]

Ye

[pine star]

JESUS CHRIST

I feel bad for Adir

[cobalt pewter]

There are much more pressing problems with them rather than their drop rates

[bitter drift]

xD trust me usally i am a lucky guy

[cobalt pewter]

Like the fact that they're completely irrelevant as accessories

[hardy dock]

Aero Stone being literally the worst accessory in the game

[crude geode]

[pine star]

Cryo Stone being literally Shitty Ornate Shield

[dapper coral]

i will say right now that there are ideas floating about to make the HotE drops epic™️

[hardy dock]

It's just objectively worse than the frog leg

[dapper coral]

nothing implemented or even started to be coded, but there are epic ideas

[crude geode]

Frog Leg is just busted.

[pine star]

Interesting

[tawny garden]

I had a hard time obtaining the Rare Sand Elemental

[cobalt pewter]

Epic ideas only for now

[dapper coral]

because that's not a priority as of right now

[gray nebula]

make everything craftable

epic

[cobalt pewter]

[bitter drift]

honestly best case senario is giving them both a new weapon or accessory and making them craftable

[crude geode]

What Iban said

[tawny garden]

because Sandstorms are

[bitter drift]

you can make sand storms

[cobalt pewter]

Arid Artifact momentum

[crude geode]

Ye Rare Sand Ele is the only real outlier here. Fairly rare enemy with a 1% drop rate

[tawny garden]

yes, but they're still

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

[bitter drift]

usually i have the toughest time with the bosses

[tawny garden]

even with Arid Artifact

[cobalt pewter]

I think I mentioned some in #calamity-update-talk, but only for the stones

[crude geode]

There’s a reason why they show up on the rare creature detector

[cobalt pewter]

Just ideas for now, epicness unconfirmed

[dapper coral]

correct

[pine star]

[dapper coral]

ideas exist that are 2304837294237402 times better than current

[tawny garden]

also for some stupid reason the Horse that drops the Arid Artifact only spawns when you don't want it to spawn

[dapper coral]

byeah

[crude geode]

get out of offtopic feedzuh

[cobalt pewter]

smh

[bitter drift]

you have to defeat a boss and then HOPE you get it
most time you hope that needs to happen the changes are too high to have the down side of grinding for 100 hours but not the case with these stones

[crude geode]

If you fight a single boss 20 times, you have a 12% chance not to get it.

[dapper coral]

tbf you are just incredibly unlucky

[crude geode]

yeah

[bitter drift]

welp i think i am in this 20% 90% of the times?

[dapper coral]

10% is not awful, and it should be much easier to grind these bosses in later progression

[bitter drift]

i am already post twins i don't want to make this weapon when it's useless

[dapper coral]

kelvin is an outlier because that's a patreon wep

[crude geode]

^

[dapper coral]

it's generally not a good idea to base these kinds of reasons off of that because, well, it's not the devs' place to change that

[crude geode]

Prismatic Breaker moment

[dapper coral]

(alternatively you could suggest to remove cryo stone from the recipe and then get approval from the dedicatee)

[crude geode]

omw to suggest a kelvin catalyst type magic weapon for pbg 🚶

Byeah

[dapper coral]

omw to raid your bank account of $50

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Fool I have money

[tawny garden]

Demik don't

[cobalt pewter]

Demik please raid my money directly

I don't have credit card

[dapper coral]

byeah

[crude geode]

Do what Demik said and suggest removing cryo stone from it with permission

[dapper coral]

uhhh so yes if a big point of your argument is bc kelvin's existence then i would suggest you ask to get it removed from the recipe instead @bitter drift

[cobalt pewter]

Funni kelvin

Donors have no shame in making their crafting recipe as big as Yggdrasil

[hot zephyr]

Stupid kevin boomerang

[eternal escarp]

thats

[cobalt pewter]

I know no one of the name kevin

[eternal escarp]

already happening isnt it

[dapper coral]

tbf i wouldn't either, i'm paying $50 to make however tf big recipe i want

that has come up before yes

[eternal escarp]

ornate shield gets the cryogen lore dash in 1.5 iirc

[dapper coral]

it is a likely candidate for cryo lore dash

[hardy dock]

really?

[hot zephyr]

@hardy dock Boy do I have news for you

[dapper coral]

yes

[hardy dock]

[cobalt pewter]

omw to make the weapon crafted from every single Legendaries and RIVs

[eternal escarp]

it was said in #calamity-update-talk to prolly happen

[hot zephyr]

It's not confirmed but highly likely

[eternal escarp]

so yeah

[dapper coral]

probably™️

[eternal escarp]

ill take those odds

[tawny garden]

15 cap

[hardy dock]

It'll finally have some use tho

If it does get the dash

[crude geode]

Unlike some other items

looks at leviathan amergris with immense disdain

[hardy dock]

Leviathan Ambergris makes Amalgam

[pine star]

Looks at Gehenna with even more intense disdain

[fossil finch]

Donate for weapons whose porpoise is to be auric tesla of rivs and legendaries

[hardy dock]

Only time I have ever unironically used the Ambergris

[crude geode]

Cryo Stone makes HoTE, does that make it good?

[hardy dock]

no

[pine star]

no

Cryo Stone makes Kelvin, does that make it good?

[hardy dock]

saying it makes the amalgam was only the setup to my next comment

ambergris is still very bad

[crude geode]

That is indeed my point.

[hardy dock]

i agree

[mystic cloak]

G'morning, gonna check my ping, decided to enjoy an extra hour of sleep

Saw the ping & test. Just curious about how it would fair against other similar mechanical tier bosses aside from destroyer and aquatic scourge, cause lolwormboss, CD's right click would destroy them

but yeah, it seems to be alright against twins, which is the same tier as Cryo (correct me if I'm wrong) in the mechanical/calamity boss alternative tier

most likely from there being two bosses that have a high tendency to stick together, so the group damage on the rmb is effective there.

[eternal escarp]

im prty sure cryo, twins, AS, destroyer, brimmy and prime are all basically at the same tier? not sure how it exactly works byeah

[mystic cloak]

The place where it really just blows is single target, and mob clearance issues in the wild n what not

[eternal escarp]

i think all 6 are the same tier though

[mystic cloak]

People usually rate mechanical bosses as harder as one another

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah

[mystic cloak]

kinda like rating it cryo/twins, then destroyer/scourge and finally prime/brimmy I think

in terms of "progression"

and mw post-mechanicals that thing becomes irrelevant pretty fast sadly

[safe oasis]

the tiering is more like

cryogen
everything else
plantera/calamitas

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
Who remebers when it was as powerful as stardust cells

Warped the meta around it

[rancid saddle]

right now its only really ok for plantera second phase and wyverns. everything else abt it sucks

[grim tusk]

Ye

[cobalt pewter]

Idk if it's the side effect of losing the double damage bonus thing but like, the cap on right click is somewhat noticeable on worms

[rancid saddle]

imo it needs a buff bc its not worth getting atm

[robust lava]

I still don't know whether lag reductions/optimisations fall under sugg or bug.

[tawny garden]

probably bug tbh

[rancid saddle]

same but I think a lot of them is just "uneccessary particle spam"

[tawny garden]

unless the sugg has an actual proposal on how to optimize

[wooden wedge]

i dont think dust is a bug

[robust lava]

I mean, the intent of the weapons was never to cause lag, so it's not like you're changing something that was purposely put into the game, like how most suggestions go

[tawny garden]

[robust lava]

Lag is unintended, hence why I'd lean towards it being a bug

[tawny garden]

ye

(also btw "previlance", "prevelance")

(fix the spelling)

[rancid saddle]

its spelling

[pine star]

Fix the spelling

[tawny garden]

ty

forgot the word

[rancid saddle]

anyways I see chicken cannon as more of a meme weapon so its understandable why its laggy

[ashen warren]

ive watched a vid of someone using the chicken cannon on dog and the frames dipped for like an entire minute

[rancid saddle]

I used a mod that just removes dust entirely. the only laggy thing abt chicken cannon is the random spam

[knotty moat]

aight im late but why would you use quiver if you dont want projectiles to split

[ancient mirage]

all of the other stats

[tawny garden]

uh

thing is

a sugg always needs a reason

but this sugg is self-explanatory

what should we do

[eternal escarp]

say nothing..?

[dapper coral]

then just say "this is helpful for building and making structures look better, it's pretty self-explanatory"

it'll be smol but that's okay

[tawny garden]

@blazing chasm do this ^ ig

[blazing chasm]

wut

[eternal escarp]

speaking of builder suggest, ill craft my suggest now prolly and see what people think ig

[tawny garden]

every suggestion needs a reason

[blazing chasm]

aight

[tawny garden]

[jovial spire]

as somebody who uses draedon's arse blocks alot

please 🥺

[eternal escarp]

idea?

[grim tusk]

Ye

Voidstone and Ashen stay same pick power for balance

But breaking them faster ye

[eternal escarp]

the natural ones are fair, since they are supoosed to be like barriers (atleast voidstone) but why is the smooth and slab varient if voidstone which id purely asthetic not? thats basically what i meant

[grim tusk]

:tru:

[eternal escarp]

lets hope phone discord doesnt mess the suggest up

if i missed something it messed up then ping me and shit ig

[mystic cloak]

I kind of agree with the notion of cosmetic block variants being easier to break.

When they're turned into a cosmetic form, they should have the same aspects of cosmetic pieces, and would make abyss style themes more accessible, for example, when you've acquired your pickaxe axe.

[mystic cloak]

And I don't believe I'm familiar with the time when it had double damage. How busted was it when it DID have it? I know you mentioned it warped the meta, but what was its longetivity/life span in terms of gearing?

[grim tusk]

Kill cryo, replace til ele axes/plague engine/godspawn/cells

[mystic cloak]

what the actual fuck that's stupid

That's hilariously broken, I see why they did the nerf

but I feel like they might've gone a little too hard, possibly

🤷

that's just me though

[grim tusk]

Yep, just like with vigil too (that shit is worse than optic buff it oh god fuck)

[mystic cloak]

It's still good against groups, like twins & destroyer, worms, large clusterfucks of mobs.

but single target or basic mob clearance is kinda poop for it

Vigil? oh yeah the optic buff that thing was naaasty

[grim tusk]

Vigil pre-nerf was op til Polter

[mystic cloak]

Can't remember full item name

[grim tusk]

Kill Clone replace til subjugators

[mystic cloak]

brain is crapped out

oh right

entropy's vigil

[grim tusk]

Entropy’s vigil

[mystic cloak]

Yeah I remember that VERY well

god I felt so useless that run lol. My buddy was summoner, I was melee

I literally only accounted for bait for the boss ;u;

[grim tusk]

Also Old hallowed rune

[mystic cloak]

I wasn't too familiar w/ old hallowed rune

[grim tusk]

Made cells op even against fucking DoG

[mystic cloak]

wat

[grim tusk]

DoG got fucking deleted by stardust cells

[mystic cloak]

WAT

How the fuck??

I'd say the only thing CD really needs, in my opinion, is either just a very small tweak to the fire rate of the crystals, or just make the right click close in a little bit faster.

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/700462298111672452/broke.mp4
cells + pre-nerf hallow rune by Haydesly on CalaMain (pre-DoG gear)
For anyone wondering how OP old hallowed rune + cells used to be

[mystic cloak]

Even just a tiny amount could help a crap ton in the long run for it.

OH MY FUCKING LORD

THE STARS DUDE

When even the heavens has had enough of DoG's shit lol

[dapper coral]

i suggest yall move to another channel or DMs if you wanna continue this topic

[grim tusk]

Sur

[dapper coral]

since this is kinda straying away from suggs now

[mystic cloak]

I mean, I'm still curious bout "I'd say the only thing CD really needs, in my opinion, is either just a very small tweak to the fire rate of the crystals, or just make the right click close in a little bit faster."

Testers probably can tell me otherwise lol, but that's what I've mainly got in mind for it.

[grim tusk]

Prob faster fire rate yea

[mystic cloak]

What's the normal rate at which the crystals recharge? I think I remember seeing something on the wiki, but I'm not sure

[grim tusk]

Like every 5 seconds

[mystic cloak]

Hm. IDK if 4 would be too much, but like maybe 4-4.5 recharge rate, just to make it a little bit better for the single target fights like cala, cryo, prime w/out arms, for example. Something that gives a little bit more justification for the 1% drop rate

[hollow shell]

@rancid saddle Would be nice to make your top line less vague. "Fix the lag" would be better than just "Fix"

Otherwise it's fine. Chicken Cannon is indeed a dust nightmare

[mystic cloak]

^

[languid quartz]

didn't notice anything bad with your sugg and I agree with the point

[tawny garden]

has been suggested a couple of times

[hardy dock]

isnt the loot cage getting removed at some point anyway

[tawny garden]

none of these suggs went anywhere, as it seems

byeah

[hardy dock]

I mean at least the consumable Profaned Core is going bye

[dapper coral]

also considering the fact that almost nothing at provi's tier can burn in lava and you should have immunity because seraph tracers so yes

[hollow shell]

The problem is more so that lava layers in front of items

So you gotta swim around for a while looking for where they landed

[tawny garden]

not in the Hallow

[hollow shell]

Yeah, indeed

No reason for the box to appear when you're in the Hallow

[tawny garden]

can you make grab bags float?

[novel belfry]

I'm assuming every item can float if given the properties

[languid quartz]

  {
  makebox=false
  }

coding

™️

[glass sentinel]

[novel belfry]

[glass sentinel]

this has been a very popular sugg

many people have sugged the same thing

[hollow shell]

Sure has

[languid quartz]

rover just copy that into the source

we can skip the whole sugg process

[sharp prism]

thats

[novel belfry]

illegal?

[glass sentinel]

[languid quartz]

uhhh

now drops float

[glass sentinel]

well if you arent in expert will the coins have to fly?

[sharp prism]

yes

[glass sentinel]

and potions, mask, trophy, weapons and dye

so i dont think the floating works

[cerulean estuary]

it could be a smaller box

I feel like the box is needlessly massive as well

[glass sentinel]

it is

[tawny garden]

biiiiiit more complicated

[safe oasis]

no its not

thats 100% accurate

[hollow shell]

I mean it works as pseudocode

[sharp prism]

bool holy = player.ZoneHoly;
if (holy)
{
makeStinkyProviBox = false;
}``` iirc

[glass sentinel]

lmao

stinkyprovibox

[sharp prism]

[tawny garden]

if (player.ZoneHoly)
{
    this.SpawnLootBox();
}
``` funnily enough, the lootbox is created by a separate function

[sharp prism]

well

[hollow shell]

Makes things easy

[languid quartz]

pretty cool sugg, it would just require a ton of work on the dev's part

[hollow shell]

mmmm This is more specificity than anything else

[safe oasis]

also theres like no reasoning other than "its cool"

which is a dont

[hollow shell]

Would be good to cut that down and improve on the reasoning @blazing chasm

[sharp prism]

fun fact

you can build those yourself

[hardy dock]

As are biome and construct

[hollow shell]

You can keep some of those ideas as examples but they shouldn't be the meat of the sugg

[tawny garden]

yeah uh

[sharp prism]

you wont get them in every world

[blazing chasm]

Eeeh the point was to suggest stuff

[sharp prism]

but

[blazing chasm]

Prebuilds are great

[tawny garden]

"it's great"

not a good reason

[hollow shell]

Your sugg would be better if you elaborated more on why pre-builds are great

rather than giving pre-build ideas

[blazing chasm]

I mean I said they're exciting to come across and can be useful

Not much else to say

[safe oasis]

thats not a very good reason either

elaborate more

[blazing chasm]

It's as good a reason as any

[hollow shell]

They can indeed be cool
Give more to the lore, encourage exploration, spice up the playthrough experience

You gotta have more to it in your sugg's reasoning

[hardy dock]

"it'd be cool" is an opinion

[blazing chasm]

Alright there you go

#suggestions-posting

[hardy dock]

those examples you provide don't really work in practice

[blazing chasm]

Some do

Perhaps not Atlantis as the sea is too small

But mineshafts would work well

As would underground roads and expanded rail systems

[hollow shell]

This reasoning is better yeah

[hardy dock]

Imagine the havok a world generated hellavator would wreak

[blazing chasm]

And any environment change like waterfalls is always nice

[tawny garden]

yeah it's better now

[blazing chasm]

You could just replace a naturally generated surface cave chest with one behind a waterfall

Great QoL change

[hardy dock]

Environmental changes would be nice

[blazing chasm]

Basically no popular mods do normal environmental changes

[hardy dock]

But with a mod as stretched thin as Calamity, bigger structures like some that you had just arent really viable

[blazing chasm]

Yeah some aren't

[ashen warren]

Yeah the gladiator armor does have the stealth armor

Sorry for being stupid everyone

[hollow shell]

Ah, glad to get that cleared up

It's alright Molten

[blazing chasm]

Ooh I just had a great suggestion idea

Maybe I'll build it tomorrow and post a picture of it

[slate tendon]

I think that the latest suggestion would have to be an update of its own

as anything worldgen takes a while to do

[blazing chasm]

This is a single idea

Why do the lizahrds only have one temple?

They should have a semi-ruined road in front of it

[hardy dock]

Are you actually

[blazing chasm]

With braziers and traps

It would be great

[slate tendon]

thats not how terraria works though

[hardy dock]

Proposing a massive structure

For literally no reason

[blazing chasm]

Not massive

And it's not no reason

It would A look great and B help you build a jungle boss arena

[slate tendon]

since we are working with 2d there isnt that much room to work with

[hollow shell]

(Do keep in mind that specificity is not recommended for suggestions.
A sugg for more Lihzahrd structures would be fine but actually constructing and sending an image of it might be too much)

[blazing chasm]

Why you usually have to spend ages digging out

Yeah a simple straight road, a few crater like ruined areas in it, with either some walls or actuated blocks with a small tower and a brazier on top

Or just a plaza in front of the temple

[slate tendon]

I think the temple could be more interesting then just some hallways and boss room, but like expanding it more then it is would be too much

it already takes up a large part of the underground jungle

[blazing chasm]

The road wouldn't take up that much space

It would only be like 100-150 blocks long at most

[hardy dock]

That’s huge

[blazing chasm]

It would make the temple look so much better

[slate tendon]

also roads dont really work for the random generation of terraria

and that would mean the temple and most of the underground jungle would have to generate the exact same every time

there are no flat surfaces in terraria that naturally spawn, none at all

[safe oasis]

straight minecart tracks

[loud shard]

I need tips for plague bringer, plz help

[radiant meadow]

You should ask in #help-advice-read-pins

@timid ibex Something like that will not happen. I'm just going to say that outright. You're also not allowed to suggest stuff at dev tier (currently post-SCal).

[hardy dock]

Also format better in the future

[safe oasis]

that as well as formatting and reasoning etc

[timid ibex]

Oh

[earnest cape]

My birb sugg is at 190 again

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[sharp prism]

Now it goes to cata hell

[tawny garden]

that means it's not good enough

[sharp prism]

[tawny garden]

or yeah

[earnest cape]

Its good enough but not at the same time

[tawny garden]

it goes to stevie

[earnest cape]

I forgot stevie exists

[tawny garden]

[earnest cape]

[sharp prism]

gimme the link to the sugg

[radiant meadow]

In DMs

do not post it in this chat or I will yell at you for advertising :)

[earnest cape]

Oop

[cobalt pewter]

Wtf ben becomes izzy

👋

[languid quartz]

Advertising time

Ofc not here

[tawny garden]

smh

[earnest cape]

but I don't want to be killed

[languid quartz]

But in the cool discord

[tawny garden]

omw to kill you

[radiant meadow]

Don't make me add a Rule 11

[earnest cape]

but ben is there too

[languid quartz]

I’ll distract him or smth

I’ve already advertised one of my Suggs there like 4 times

[earnest cape]

@ ben kil

[crude geode]

[tawny garden]

you're gonna make me want to do some hohits and join the lounge

and if that happens, I'll make that server dead boring for ya

[languid quartz]

[tawny garden]

cry about it

[meager tangle]

That suggestion about structures is actually pretty good, until you realize that all of those things would have to be so small to fit into the world together and not be right next to each other

[knotty moat]

there are some that would work

ofc this isnt minecraft so it cant be big ones

[meager tangle]

Yeah, but definitely not all of them

[knotty moat]

but the ocean ones are feasible

[meager tangle]

Maybe the Atlantis one yeah

[knotty moat]

and the idea of a ship

[meager tangle]

That’s the most realistic I think

[knotty moat]

maybe even the martian saucer since space just has planetoids as of now]

[meager tangle]

Because the ocean is completely empty

The planetoids are very common tho, they take up a huge chunk of space

[knotty moat]

maybe even have atlantis under the ocean like how the abyss is under the SS

[meager tangle]

Maybe

[knotty moat]

the saucer could maybe crash into the main planetoid

[meager tangle]

Or along the shoreline?

Saucer could land on a floating island

Rather than crash

Although I don’t know what loot that would have, it seems pretty pointless

[knotty moat]

theres one mod with smth like that

i think its redemption

[meager tangle]

Yeah, but the spaceship in redemption has a quest line where you fix it

But again, I don’t think you get any rewards

[earnest cape]

how will this impact worms tho

[heady storm]

@ashen warren bot appears to be down.

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

Ballston and Overdone's suggs kinda overlap

in that they're different solutions to the same problem

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Not ideal but iunno if we wanna do anything about it

[sinful pine]

Well two people had an idea to solve the same problem.

[crude geode]

I mean that’s fine, it’s just that the votes are gonna be split between the two then.

Or people might vote for both

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sinful pine]

Which do you prefer?

[safe oasis]

vote for both and let the devs decide

[sinful pine]

Maybe a hybrid of the two

In the hallow, killing Prov would drop loot on the ground

In the Underworld, it would float

Floating loot is harder to find in a wide open space.

With it dropping on the ground, you only need to worry about the X-axis.

[glass sentinel]

floating wont work

in normal everything will need to float

so money, weapons, masks, trophy

[dry latch]

delete normal

[safe oasis]

the box isnt of much use because its so big

bottom part usually ends up dipping in lava anyway

[ashen warren]

imagine provi drops but they float on lava

[cobalt pewter]

...don't we have Fargo's Mutant mod for this?

[earnest cape]

but wouldn't accounting other mods make like half of the suggs obsolete

[hollow shell]

And we already add a Plantera spawner, and a non-altar Golem spawner

[cobalt pewter]

Tbf Betsy isn't as important as those 2 in progression byeah

[earnest cape]

yeh

[hollow shell]

but tbf tbf
Betsy is harder to spawn than either of those

Or at least more annoying

[cobalt pewter]

but tbf tbf tbf

just delete OOA

[earnest cape]

OOA is annoying ye

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

[whole sedge]

it only really makes sense because betsy is the only OOA related thing calamity changes pretty sure

[tawny garden]

or delete its first 6 waves

[hot zephyr]

The way I see it is that farming for shit like Betsy is ass

In Fab, Aqua, Bozo and I's Borderlands playthrough the biggest pain points are long drawn out farms that don't actually challenge you

Things like Betsy remind me of that

If you've defeated the OOA event t3, I think being able to spawn in Betsy manually is good.

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah OOA is quite flawed in execution, despite the ideas having a bit of potential

[hot zephyr]

You've already proved yourself the first time, why draw it out longer

I honestly think OOA is super close to being good

It just needs a few stat tweaks

[cobalt pewter]

And a lot of shortening in duration

Particularly the stinky prep time between waves that you can't skip at all in vanilla

[hot zephyr]

^

It could be solved pretty easily

If you don't have etherian mana in your inventory, just make the counter tick down 5x faster or something

[cobalt pewter]

Not the best approach imo, byeah, any way to massively reduce the timer can work

In fact T3 I can see the duration being cut to 15 overall

Particularly since you not only have better mobility to nyoom Etherian Mana, you also have conveyor belts to disregard collecting the mana at all

[hot zephyr]

I also wish the portals spawned farther away, so you could actually set up like... towers

In DD2 the maps are all pretty big

[cobalt pewter]

I'll prolly sugg some things about OOA when I got them slots

[hot zephyr]

In OOA later waves it gets crowded

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

Here we are

[golden narwhal]

have you been hanging out in any particular channels within the past 3 hours

[earnest cape]

[crude geode]

No, in fact.

[earnest cape]

huh

[crude geode]

I've been playing gungeon.

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt pewter]

Let me introduce you to insanity
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807869550913781780/808163618007810079/CalamityMod_REACTIVE_DEATH_MODE.tmod

(this is a silly version of cal ozz compiled which is just night provi's reactive DR on all dmode bosses)

In any case

Ye

[crude geode]

True balance is impossible to achieve, but getting close to it is nowhere near possible with Reactive DR.

[frail mantle]

counterpoint:

[cobalt pewter]

Bluecheck smh

Actually is it bluecheck?

Not sure when was the last cutoff

[frail mantle]

current cutoff date is august 2020

[cobalt pewter]

So not bluecheck

[frail mantle]

i mean it has already been approved so i'm not sure if there's any point resuggesting it

[cobalt pewter]

approval hell is real

[crude geode]

^

Approved means nothing merely the contentment of the devs with a sugg. 🏁 and 🛠️ truly matter

[cobalt pewter]

the best feeling is getting your sugg flagged without even being delivered yet for something no one has ever mentioned before

[frail mantle]

[distant vault]

him

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

you should probably have your status removed kalamari, considering you're not longer Chetty

[tawny garden]

Cool

Wait a second

[tawny garden]

This was approved

Even though the mechanic was added only very recently

(By then it was recent)

[hollow shell]

"by then"

[tawny garden]

So, in fact, it seems like the devs themselves are not content with something that has just been added into the mod

[hollow shell]

Reactive DR was added around May 2020

it seems

[frail mantle]

oh was it added before AR?

wait no

i forgot the order the months are in

[crude geode]

I forgot months

[hollow shell]

(so did Feedzuh, they thought August came after September)

[crude geode]

So is the suggestion valid or not Rover?

[hollow shell]

Of course it's valid

It's a bluecheck

[crude geode]

Gotcha

Any insight into dev opinion regarding Reactive Boss DR?

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Back when the original sugg was posted, they commented on the fact that it was a mechanic hidden from the player, which is bad
And some said there's no point in keeping it but also not much point in removing it

And that it had a minuscule effect in almost all situations, except for Night Providence

[tawny garden]

in the grand scheme of things, "Not much point in removing" = "fuck it, I can't be bothered, it stays"

[heady storm]

#suggestions-posting message
I feel like approving this one early for my own reasons.

[frail mantle]

eh

personally i'm against approving suggestions early because it just seems like randomly breaking the normal suggestions routine

[hollow shell]

Chetto

[heady storm]

I feel like

[frail mantle]

they're supposed to stay for 24 hours in case someone has more feedback after it has been posted, and approving suggestions early goes specifically against that

[heady storm]

I already know I should not.

Well, has any defense for reactive DR really existed?

[frail mantle]

not yet

[heady storm]

I only see the whole set fight time stuff etc..

[earnest cape]

I do not know how reactive DR works

[frail mantle]

but i still think it should stay for the usual 24 hours in case someone has any feedback

[hollow shell]

If you kill a boss to fast, it gets more DR so you kill it slower.

That's it.

[glass sentinel]

you murder boss too fast they become harder to murder

[earnest cape]

ah

[heady storm]

Basically makes the boss take less damage based on how fast a weapon is killing it yeah.

[glass sentinel]

byea, its kinda bad imo

[heady storm]

Hella annoying.

[golden narwhal]

tl;dr, night provi system but irrelevant

[heady storm]

It did not need to apply globally.

[hollow shell]

Merk defended it, sayin that it helps with weapon balancing for Normal and Expert (apparently)

[earnest cape]

reactive DR should only exist for worms no?

[hollow shell]

Nah?

[earnest cape]

/s

[hollow shell]

Oh

[earnest cape]

im trying to find something to say

[heady storm]

How on Earth?

[earnest cape]

if merk's defense was it would balance normal and expert weapons then why isn't reactive DR only for normal and expert

[marble hazel]

well daz what testers are fo innit

[earnest cape]

if that's his argument then it shouldn't exist for at least rev

[heady storm]

We balance off of revengeance mode anyway.

[earnest cape]

yeah.

[marble hazel]

but i do see his point

[earnest cape]

how do you see his joint

[hollow shell]

His exact wording

[marble hazel]

even doe cal balances off of rev i think that normal and expert shouldnt be left to become a shitfest

[earnest cape]

hm

tbh normal and expert still needs to be somewhat balanced

[golden narwhal]

nice nickname

[earnest cape]

[marble hazel]

yahhh

[glass sentinel]

post-polter balancing

[hollow shell]

I mean, if the issue with Normal/Expert bosses is that you're killing them too fast and triggering the Reactive DR...

[glass sentinel]

shiver

[hollow shell]

Is it really an issue to be killing a Normal mode boss too fast?

[earnest cape]

idk I never played normal mode

[marble hazel]

idk i never played normal mode

[hollow shell]

I mean in principle

[eternal escarp]

isnt normal mode supposed to be like, easy to play?

[marble hazel]

but what misfortune said i think reactive dr should only stay on normal and eggspert

[eternal escarp]

reactive DR might make people who want an easy time on the boss, not be able to get that easier time on it

[earnest cape]

yeah but annihilating bosses isn't supposed to be in "easy to play"

[eternal escarp]

fair

[marble hazel]

easy =/= braindead imo

[eternal escarp]

yeah i have nothing else to say then

[earnest cape]

same

[marble hazel]

same

[crude geode]

Ah yes, let's implement a mechanic in all game modes to stop people from murdering normal/expert mode bosses so quickly instead of. properly balancing the mode.

[earnest cape]

[tawny garden]

You're playing the mod in which "Expert" is easy

[crude geode]

It's a nice short term solution, but it doesn't solve the problem of normal/expert mode balancing practically being thrown out the window.

[tawny garden]

Reminds me of difficulties in I Wanna games

[earnest cape]

tbf expert is the default difficulty at this point

byech

[distant gyro]

IWBTG fangames have an excessively large assortment of diffuculties

[tawny garden]

rev is

[earnest cape]

oh I was talking about vanilla

[distant gyro]

Expert can totally be picked up by a first time Terraria player