suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

shouldn't defiled make any boss spawn immediately

[earnest cape]

uh no?

[tawny garden]

[mint orchid]

@bronze lintel True melee is getting so many buffs in the draedon update

[bitter drift]

cuz it's a risky sub-class

[rugged belfry]

giant clam summon when

[sleek turret]

There's a mod that adds a Giant Clam summon but thats outside Calamity.

[radiant meadow]

Do you have the Coin of Deceit, Ruin Medallion, Dark God's Sheath, or Eclipse Mirror accessories?

They reduce the amount of stealth you need to perform a stealth strike

[eternal escarp]

they are supposed to do that

[radiant meadow]

the sound effect plays when you have full stealth but you can suggest to change it to play when you first can fire a stealth strike

[cobalt pewter]

Recent sugg should be bluecheck iirc

?

[tawny garden]

Yeah

#suggestions-voting message

(to W.D Cipher: this does__n't__ mean you should delete your sugg, quite the opposite in fact)

[robust lava]

@kindred creek Calamity has been purposely adding these 'material of materials' to try and reduce the repetitive nature of some recipes. It would probably be kinda hard to convince the devs to undo the changes they made, as a lot of people feel these are a positive change

[sleek turret]

Isn't the reason why these combination materials to exist is the item recipe cap?

[robust lava]

That too but that's getting removed in tML 1.4 anyway

[sleek turret]

[kindred creek]

well it just feels like an extra step if there is no way to obtain these items whithout crafting

just seems like the devs wanting to make the player do pointless extra work

[pine star]

Also, in 1.3, there is a cap of 14 things that can be used in one crafting recipe

So combo materials are needed to work around such a cap

[robust lava]

as Kaizo said

[kindred creek]

oh, really?

[pine star]

i know kaizo said it

[sleek turret]

that doesn't exists on 1.4 tml but were on 1.3 so I guess we're going to get extra steps.

more wiki purposes and kinda helps?

[kindred creek]

but each of these combinations only has 3 resources, and most of their recipes only have 3 or four other items

[radiant meadow]

Remove Auric Tesla Bars

[sleek turret]

[wide flicker]

Return to when it was just ore to craft auric stuff

[pine star]

[distant gyro]

remove bars in general because they just take an extra step to craft

[kindred creek]

thoes actually make sense tho, because theyre used for an armor named after them

[radiant meadow]

true, fuck bars, just melt the ores into a sword shaped mold

[pine star]

tinkers' construct likes you

[kindred creek]

well then you gotta add molds, whch you have to craft

[distant gyro]

tconstruct crucible style

[remote crystal]

I like those materials, I think they're a lot of fun. And some can be obtained raw, like core of calamity, I'm pretty sure, can be obtained from post provi Ravager

[sleek turret]

return to Key Molds.

[pine star]

yeah
And life alloy can be received from post Provi Ravager

[remote crystal]

And I think having 1 material that's made from 3 is a lot less menacing than having 3 extra ingredients on recipe screens

[kindred creek]

but something like ascendant spirit essence cannot be obtained naturally. I think it would be interesting if it were to drop from DoG

[wide flicker]

It makes the material section neater and a bit less cluttered

[remote crystal]

The only one I don't like is auric Tesla bars because it's hard to tell what you're missing, but even those are good because they're like zenith ore. The culmination of a journey into a crafting material

[cerulean estuary]

before you are able to craft the ultimate armor, you gotta grind ravager

[pine star]

No you don't

[sleek turret]

just grind the other ores.

and the cores

[cerulean estuary]

yes grinding every component is an option the joke is that's the whole point of ravager

[hollow shell]

@kindred creek Your topic line's gotta be a bit more narrow my friend

"combination materials" or even "consolidation materials"

Because "combination items" can apply to
almost every item in the game after pre-boss, weapons and accessories included

[kindred creek]

i gave examples lol

[manic gale]

to back up sharkfang's suggestion

[hollow shell]

yes, I see that, but your topic line on its own is misleading

[manic gale]

when the items are literally just multiple materials in one

and do not come from alternate sources

as he said

one second brb

that wasnt what he said

fuckl

anyway

[hollow shell]

ah..

[manic gale]

if what he says applies to them

they are just

how do i say this

the materials

you use to make them

since you cant uncraft them

it basically just makes it very inconvenient if you accidentally make too much

[kindred creek]

ok, edited my suggestions

[hollow shell]

That's better, SharkFang

[manic gale]

though ig that can easily be fixed by just

calculating how much you need

and only making that much

[hollow shell]

I disagree with the suggestion greatly, me being the guy who proposed Ascendant Spirit Essence and suggested an Exo mats consolidation material (Auric Bar) before it was added

But it seems valid

[hot zephyr]

Shark

[rancid saddle]

imo the grind for the bars are pretty stupid and I think it should just be its own ore

[hollow shell]

Though I'm not sure what you're going on about with making an NPC sell them, the wording seems kinda strange around those parts

[hot zephyr]

Do you play with or without magic storage

[hollow shell]

It is its own ore

[rancid saddle]

life alloys?

[hollow shell]

Ah I thought you meant Auric Bar

[manic gale]

i both agree and disagree with the suggestion

[rancid saddle]

yeah auric tesla makes sense tbh

[hot zephyr]

I wish Auric would strip most of the items from its recipe tbh

[manic gale]

i do think the consilidation materials or whatever you want to call them just aren't necessary

[radiant meadow]

Auric Bar was just me making a joke

[manic gale]

but at the same time

[hot zephyr]

Crafting auric is terrible

[rancid saddle]

not rlly usually you have enough for like 50 bars

[manic gale]

making them sold by something would just

[rancid saddle]

yeah

[manic gale]

invalidate the entire process of getting them

same with boss drops

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[manic gale]

like why get the base materials at that point

but it is kinda annoying when

[rancid saddle]

imo ravager should not drop life alloys because its a little too hard to grind

[manic gale]

the base materials have their own recipes

and the thing they all combine into has its recipes

and its a one way conversion

however

[hot zephyr]

Auric crafting in a nutshell is crafting three bars, then looking to see what you're missing, then grinding some old content and then crafting two more just to find you're now missing something else

[manic gale]

i dont think there's even a way to turn one item into multiple items

correct me if im wrong

so like

thats understandable

[hot zephyr]

Repeat 5 or 6 times until you either run out of materials again or have finished your armor

[hollow shell]

We could turn all of the combo materials into grab bag type items

like Fleshy Geodes

but with no RNG

[tawny garden]

The cap wasn't even changed in 1.4

[hot zephyr]

That'd be a good idea actually

[manic gale]

that would work

i was thinking of that but i dont know how those work particularly with code

[tawny garden]

Though tML is yeeting it (?)

[robust lava]

I know, but tML is getting rid of it

[manic gale]

so i didnt want to suggest it

[hollow shell]

They're not hard to code, don't worry

We already have a ton of em in the mod

[manic gale]

i try to only talk about stuff if i know what im saying

[hollow shell]

That's fair

[tawny garden]

(Also Rover ASE is kinda )

[cobalt pewter]

Auric could be simplified tbh

[rancid saddle]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

And maybe move the complicated shit to an exo bar or smth

[rancid saddle]

lmao

[tawny garden]

Why does it have so much materials in it in the first place

[rancid saddle]

probably to make speedrunners not just have to beat yharon

and make you beat every boss

[tawny garden]

I'm surprised they didn't add Aeralite Ore into it

[rancid saddle]

day 32 of asking why angel treads use aerilate

[tawny garden]

Oh that's fair

killing low%

[rancid saddle]

no not really because like nobody speedruns calamity

I stg if that was sarcasm im gonna look like a 🤡

[tawny garden]

People do low% it

[manic gale]

have you ever seen a video titled "terraria speedrunning is dead"

wait im getting off topic

[cobalt pewter]

[sleek turret]

only required bosses% speedrun

aka: progression break.

[hot zephyr]

you could remove a good chunk of the items inside the auric bar recipe without making low% faster

[rancid saddle]

oh pog found a game crash glitch

the hard way

[hot zephyr]

for example, removing cores, unholy essence, galactica, and darksun would change nothing.

[rancid saddle]

brb

[hollow shell]

The Auric Bar mats pretty much all exist just for thematic emphasis

[hot zephyr]

Make Ravager drop auric bars post Yharon

[tawny garden]

...even tho the items crafted from them have no thematic legacy from the materials

[rancid saddle]

OMG YES

[hot zephyr]

That was a joke

[rancid saddle]

ngl its a good idea

[tawny garden]

Sugg it

[hot zephyr]

If the only reason for something existing is thematically, I think it's an issue

[dapper coral]

i

you need a real reason bro

[tawny garden]

Eh

[hollow shell]

@rancid saddle I assume you're editing in the reason now?

[tawny garden]

Man

[rancid saddle]

yes

[hollow shell]

Alright.

[hot zephyr]

There is literally 0 chance that suggestion will pass, even if it is made valid

[tribal verge]

bottom text

[dapper coral]

Auric tesla bars are similar to life alloy
explain

also don't refer to other suggs in your reasoning

[rancid saddle]

combination of random shit

[hollow shell]

(better should remove the "See above", cuz the suggs can be delivered at different times & orders to the dev server)

[shell grotto]

would it be decent to ask to remove magic carpet from auric armor? or no?

[dapper coral]

it is a valid suggestion, yeah

[shell grotto]

I kinda want to gauge the room beforehand

[dapper coral]

it has been suggested many times before as well

so it is certainly acceptable

[tawny garden]

Yeah go for it

[dapper coral]

#suggestions-voting message

[rancid saddle]

ye that does seem reasonable jfl, imma delete my suggestion

[dapper coral]

this is the last one that got sent to dev, as far as i can tell

[hot zephyr]

I try not to be negative but auric armor just feels like a headache

[dapper coral]

related to auric carpet

[rancid saddle]

summoners: whats auric armour

[tawny garden]

Because it is

[rancid saddle]

lol

[hot zephyr]

Over the years I've seen cosmilite get many, many QoL changes to reduce the amount of grinding... but auric tier has been pretty much untouched

[tawny garden]

cosmolite

[hot zephyr]

Happy now?

[tawny garden]

No

:)

[hot zephyr]

Good

[rancid saddle]

tfw auric tesla shit should use yharon soul fragments instead

[eternal escarp]

wait, dont all the combo items exist becomes theres a cap to recipes sometimes?

[hot zephyr]

It's jarring to craft silva with almost nothing to making Auric which requires everything and then some.

[tawny garden]

Well, not really

[eternal escarp]

like, 20 ingridients max or smthn? i remember hearing this somewhere but idk if its true

[tawny garden]

15

But

All of the Auric Tesla Bar recipes need less iirc

Even if you yeet all ings of it back into the main recipes

[shell grotto]

most weapons require 4

the armor needs 42

[tawny garden]

No, not that

There's a cap of 15 different ingredients per recipe

[shell grotto]

huh

[eternal escarp]

i mean, i think they will require less next update? something like that was said somewhere i believe

also, youd need to split ASE to 3, so you get plus 2
and split GalacticaS into 4, plus 3
Cores of calamity and the Life Alloys will split into 3 aswell, adding 4 more

it might be above 15? but im really too lazy to count lol

[shell grotto]

huh

[rancid saddle]

auric tesla

[shell grotto]

20 without end results

[eternal escarp]

byeah, it might not matter next update if they actually will split some ingridients if what i remember is true

[shell grotto]

unholy essence should be in the ascendant spirit essence

[eternal escarp]

darksun fits more imo, since its gonna be the same tier next update

[shell grotto]

true

[pine star]

@ashen warren Warmth Potion stops Glacial State and Cryogen's debuffs

[tawny garden]

I think I remember a sugg like that a long long time ago

no idea if it went anywhere

[ashen warren]

Then why have I been getting it every time I fight him despite the fact I've been drinking it?

It must be some sort of bug if it apparently does

[tawny garden]

ok I was wrong, there was no sugg like that

I'm mistaking it with just a long talk about it here ig

[sleek turret]

Hmm, sounds like a great idea.

Although doing OOA is pain.

[worthy lintel]

as much as I want Old Scales to be viable your proposed fix doesn't solve the fact that HP threshold at which the item becomes strong is way too low

damage is done better by WoF emblems until at like under 40% HP

just make the scale effects enable at 50% HP just like necklace of Vexation and Frozen Turtle Shell

[tawny garden]

@grim tusk you can't have more than 2 suggs in the same day.

[zenith hazel]

we’re leaving the vanilla weapons buff for the 1.4 tml update

[grim tusk]

Imma save that one for tomorrow then

[zenith hazel]

and yea, sugg cap

[summer sentinel]

is beesical's sugg good to pass to voting btw? I remember there was a talk of it

[hollow shell]

People heavily disagreed but it's valid

[tawny garden]

it's valid, though smol

[hollow shell]

It's just a controversial, but functional, balancing move

[summer sentinel]

alright

[hollow shell]

also
@ashen warren Can you somehow get video proof of Warmth Potion straight-up not working against Cryogen's debuffs?
Because that sounds like a bug, an unintentional thing, and would perhaps better be reported in #bugs-read-pins

[ashen warren]

is it the debuff that turns you into ice and you can't move?

same thing happened to me when i was doing frost moon in vanilla

ice queen froze me even though I had the warmth buff

so it's an oversight from vanilla

[hollow shell]

Calamity modifies the Warmth debuff so that it provides immunity to Chilled, Glacial State, and Frozen
This is not a vanilla feature, in vanilla it only reduces damage from attacks that inflict those debuffs

[ashen warren]

oh I see

[hollow shell]

I could maybe see some funny interaction happening where it wouldn't reduce the damage but it would still provide immunity
Something like it prevents the debuff before it checks if the damage should be reduced as a result of the debuff

But this case of not providing any immunity even though we have code to do so
is very weird

And I'd like some solid evidence so we can make an official bug report about it

(And maybe test with other sources like Frost Moon or Spiked Ice Slimes to see if it works on them)

[tawny garden]

oh, bot's here

[summer sentinel]

Ya just had to ask amber to restart

[tawny garden]

[rancid saddle]

how did my shitpost make it to voting

lmao-

[tawny garden]

the shitpost was quality enough

[rancid saddle]

thanks

guess it is kinda op but ok

[hollow shell]

(I would appreciate it if you memed less hard overall in the suggestion channels Beesical)

[grim tusk]

What was it i only see @[insert bunch of numbers here] on Sugg bot

[hollow shell]

You can copy those numbers and paste them in front of from: in the search bar to see whose ID that belongs to

[grim tusk]

Fuck mobile discord, it cant do that

[hollow shell]

You prolly can with some effort :P

but ye it helps when the bot refuses to load the user embed

[crude geode]

The problem with OOA, imo, is that it's incredibly busted despite being relevant for a major portion of the game and isn't too difficult to fix, but it wouldn't be worth the effort or time for Calamity to put into it.

[ashen warren]

said everyone ever

[crude geode]

It's part of the reason why the buffed moons/solar eclipse are incredibly boring, because of the fact that the buffed moons are just stat bloat and nothing else, it means that you're just waiting around for the bosses that actually give you things or for enough random, slow mobs to drop it.

ping if you have feedback

[hollow shell]

Scarecrows get cursed with nightmare fuel energy and they now all have Shadowflame Apparition AI

[ashen warren]

why not

[dapper coral]

please no

[hollow shell]

Honestly

I wouldn't be totally opposed

They're currently just complete fodder

[crude geode]

Scarecrows now have Sulphurous Skater AI and jump at the speed of light

[hot zephyr]

IIRC, post DoG event reworks are planned, but won't be here for awhile

[hollow shell]

We are going to do stuff with em yeah but iirc we only have new bosses planned

[hot zephyr]

Or at least, changes more interesting than "Master mode sauce for the enemies"

[hollow shell]

I don't think we have much in the realm of new enemies or modifying enemy AIs

[hot zephyr]

Honestly I think new enemies would be great

[hollow shell]

I as well

[crude geode]

same.
You could modify Splinterlings to slowly grow into new forms/enemies if you don't murder them quickly, eventually turning into Mourning Woods.

[hot zephyr]

POV: You left a few of them off screen because you were fighting an Ice Queen and now you have 20 minibosses to fight

[hollow shell]

Then, make Mourning Woods occasionally summon Splinterlings
So you can try to kill them all fast for safety or you can let them grow like Star Cells for maximum loot

[ashen warren]

I think it would be neat if post yharon eclipse woud have the moon sprite in the background looking slightly different to indicate that the dark sun power has strengthened

[hot zephyr]

I'm not a fan of how tanky post-ML enemies are tbh

[hollow shell]

That would be another neat thing
adjusting the moon sprites

Jus a minor detail tho

[crude geode]

iirc, it's getting reduced along with damage next update

[ashen warren]

inb4 the eclipse moon turns into a boss

[hot zephyr]

Just as a whole, they currently feel like the video game equivalent of chewing on jaw breakers

[crude geode]

#changelogs message

[hot zephyr]

Good

[crude geode]

ye

wow I just realized that pumpkin moon only has 5 normal enemies

scarecrows, splinterlings, hellhounds, poltergeists, and headless horseman

no wonder it feels so boring, you literally are only fighting 5 enemies and 2 bosses, compared to frost moon's 9 and 3 bosses.

[molten quest]

the frost moon is more interesting than the pumpkin moon, it just has better rewards in my opinion.

[hot zephyr]

Not at all

[hollow shell]

And four of those five enemies walk along the ground
The other one hovers close to the ground
(and one sometimes hops)

[hot zephyr]

Ice Queen's spinny bullshit

[hollow shell]

Compared to Frost Moon which has helicopters and Flockos
and archers too

[hot zephyr]

Complete RNG attack

[hollow shell]

Huh.. none of the normal enemies in either event shoots projectiles
except for Elf Archers and the already flying Copters

Weird

[crude geode]

I wouldn't mind if hell hounds acted like sulphurous skaters, with like insane speed post dog

tbh I'm tempted to make a document of ideas specifically for pumpkin moon, bc it needs more than frost moon imo.

[zealous ridge]

ive said this a few times, but honestly id just really like a new event or set of events for those materials

i dont see the need to associate them with 3 events in late hardmode when they aren't even really relevant for the theme or weapons, rather the materials

[crude geode]

"aren't even really relevant for the theme" is...kind of false.

[zealous ridge]

i dont follow

[ashen warren]

hell hounds but they have wings

[zealous ridge]

is it the fact that the materials are vaguely associated with the concepts presented by each event because i dont see that really

[crude geode]

Literally a cold based energy that can heavily relate to a frost moon

[zealous ridge]

i kind of do, but also its strenuous

but its not really frost

its christmas

[ashen warren]

hmm im thinking

give like

[distant vault]

Nightmare fuel

Pumpkin Moon

halloween

And christmas is cold

[ashen warren]

some enemies within the post dog moon events would be super buffed IF they contain nightmare fuel/endothermic energy

[distant vault]

there's an enemy called the ice queen for christ's sake

[crude geode]

^^

[ashen warren]

and they will have like particles or different color tints to indicate that?

[zealous ridge]

i dont really know what you're trying to point out here, its cold so something cold drops? the primary theme of the pumpkin and frost moon are the holidays associated with them.

but, like, lets hold on for a second

this is semantic

[crude geode]

Frost Moon does in fact relate heavily to Christmas, but when is Christmas? Winter, the coldest season.

[zealous ridge]

i dont see anything regarding arguing over this to be productive, so instead i ask what your actual issue would be with making a new event or set of events

[crude geode]

Because it sounds like a hell of a lot of work?

[zealous ridge]

okay, thats the biggest issue with it, yes

i dont see the need to get so perturbed over me forsaking that issue for the sake of discussion

ill admit making a new event is hard, perhaps i should have prefaced with this

but why become so defensive towards such a pointless thematic concern?

[crude geode]

Because the Pumpkin and Frost Moon already are fitting enough for the two energies, so making new events when you can just use already existing ones that fit thematically is kind of a waste of time.

[zealous ridge]

its far from exclusively thematic concerns

the gameplay ends up being the same, which you dont as much address in this discussion but is very worth noting

it is almost exactly the same experience

furthermore, theyre boring, yes, they dont offer anything new to the player and the majority of mobs are no concern to a well-equipped player

[crude geode]

Specifically because it's just stat bloat instead of adding anything new/changing the events with these new materials.

[zealous ridge]

it is stat bloat, yeah

but is it not the exact same thing again? thats more of my concern here

[crude geode]

Nightmare Fuel-fueled Scarecrows, Endothermic Energized Flockos, or any number of new enemies created from the new materials would in fact make it different enough to matter, without having to make an entirely new event from scratch.

[zealous ridge]

thats the thing, though

it literally is a new event, at that point

if youre fundamentally changing how the event works to challenge later game players, why make it tied to a late hardmode event that already exists in the first place

[crude geode]

It's still the same basic event, similar to how Acid Rain and OOA works.

[ashen warren]

because making a new event would make everything else pre ml irrelevant and act as more of a bloat than they already are

[zealous ridge]

i generally consider acid rain to be seperate events with a similar theme, each one has a different set of dangers and, arguably, changes a bit with progression in thematic ways as well

maybe i should give you what i feel constitutes a "seperate event"

-new set of enemies
-new set of items
-distinct theming

so, this wasnt made clear on my end and i apologize

[molten quest]

With OOA and Acid rain, it atleast gives something different to the experience at that stage in the game and provides rewards for overcoming that challenge.

[zealous ridge]

ultimately i think we agree on the same points, but are seeing different ways of reaching that end

i think a new event or set of events would be better for post ml

you seem to believe that using pre-existing events works well enough and doesn't make for any issues

[ashen warren]

that would require a ton of extra coding

[distant vault]

set?

a set of events?

[zealous ridge]

well, i said or

it doesnt matter how i think it should be handled because thats not really my point

i feel it should be a new event, distinct from the seasonal moons and solar eclipse

[crude geode]

I think a new event or set of events would be much more work and effort. You'd have to create two new entire new themes from scratch that didn't relate at all to the Pumpkin or Frost Moons, and then design enemies for said events. Acid Rain took an entire update to make, and it already had an existing theme of the Sulphurous Sea for a baseline, and you can't just use Pumpkin or Frost Moon as a baseline.

[zealous ridge]

i dont agree that you can't use pumpkin/frost as a baseline

i think you can at least use them as a jumping-off point

and i do not disagree that it would be much more work

[molten quest]

Boss rush can be considered an event, it is ingame and the wiki-

[crude geode]

If you are going to use Frost Moon/Pumpkin Moon as a baseline, just buff that event, similar to Acid Rain. You can consider the different tiers different events, but they still have the same title and enemies that carry over. Just some new ones, and buffed old ones.

[zealous ridge]

if it wasnt made clear, this theoretical situation is more ideal than simply using the moon events again, and i realize that. but i think it should be seriously considered that these events get more of their own identity through disconnecting themselves from the seasonal moons and solar eclipse

yes, cursed, your proposal here is likely the best compromise

under how im defining events that would satisfy both of us

[ashen warren]

acid rain has tiers which will introduce new enemies whether or not you killed a certain boss, pumpkin and frost moon has that same concept

[zealous ridge]

i dont think thats true

acid rain specifically introduces new enemies after a boss's death

or did you just say that strangely? because i may have just misinterpreted

[ashen warren]

sorry I meant solar eclipse has that same concept

[zealous ridge]

ah, yeah

[ashen warren]

byeah the seasonal moons could use that idea

[zealous ridge]

well, still

the tiers are literally separated by bosses

so "whether or not you killed a certain boss" isnt accurate

anyways

[crude geode]

In a perfect world, brand new events with brand new themes to replace Endothermic and Nightmare would probably be better. But as it stands, making new events would take much more effort than making Frost Moon Tier 2 and Pumpkin Moon Tier 2.

[zealous ridge]

yes

ultimately i will still encourage devs to move in that direction if the opportunity presents itself, but who knows if that will happen

given this regiment of draedon, yharim, superboss

[crude geode]

There's also arguably things with more egregious faults, such as phantoplasm.

[zealous ridge]

i dont know what you mean

is this related to the moon events anymore, first off?

as in, is this really going to be relevant to discuss here?

had to delete reallys

[crude geode]

nightmare fuel and endothermic energy have a significant place, that isn't just a 2.0 material. It's not like spooky wood 2.0, or something. Meanwhile, Phantoplasm is a much less unique material that is just Ectoplasm but again.

[hollow shell]

Lack of any unique enemies in the PostML dungeon except for the Dungeon Spirit clones which drop Ectoplasm 2

[molten quest]

well, there's phantera-

[hollow shell]

Polter is fine
He's a big boss, got a lotta neat stuff goin on

I'm talking about the basic enemies

the farming

[hot zephyr]

Man, post-ML just needs new enemies everywhere

[zealous ridge]

it does

buut

[crude geode]

it's not even that much of a plantera clone anymore tbfh
Phantoplasm is the entire basis for a boss and region post-ml, but is so painstakingly a copy and paste of ectoplasm.

[hot zephyr]

Even if they don't have a "point"

[sharp prism]

post-ml is to cramped with unnecessary stuff

[zealous ridge]

its been said that 2 post ml biomes are planned

i wouldnt say its cramped

[hot zephyr]

Three, actually

[molten quest]

I wish the hallow expansion was still gonna release, instead of being tossed away-

[zealous ridge]

id say its just a majority of unneeded stuff

overall i feel its lacking in content

[hollow shell]

Vaik's old planned stuff?

[sharp prism]

unnecessary stuff

[zealous ridge]

ah, yes, the crystal boar

[hot zephyr]

Profaned versions of most hell/hallowed enemies would be neat.

[hollow shell]

Nah, "versions" isn't the right word

Profaned stuff isn't a corrupting force

[zealous ridge]

okay

i dont really get what youre pointing out

[hollow shell]

New unique enemies in general would be good, and we'll probably get that in the future

[ashen warren]

speaking of phantoplasm, has ectoblood been removed from the game?

[zealous ridge]

yeah

uhh idk

i think not?

[ashen warren]

ectoblood is useless lol

[hot zephyr]

Profaned fairies would be cool

[hollow shell]

It has not but the devs approved of the sugg to remove it

[sharp prism]

i'll remove it myself

[hot zephyr]

There's also other ways to introduce variants of enemies without making them "corrupted variants

[hollow shell]

Well the problem is you're starting with the base of "variants of enemies"

[zealous ridge]

yeah arguably it could just seperate itself from hallow/hell a lot more

[crude geode]

Profaned anything isn't really unique tbh.

[zealous ridge]

whaaat?

[hollow shell]

All three of the current profaned enemies are not derivative, they're all their own unique things

[zealous ridge]

its such a cool aesthetic

i think its awesome and unique

[crude geode]

Like the aesthetics yes I agree.

It's just that there isn't anything there.

[sharp prism]

profaned imp, like fire imps but more annoying 🙂

[zealous ridge]

oh, of course

[hot zephyr]

I just have a fear of shoving too many enemies into one area, y'know?

[crude geode]

There's a fairy, a giant rock that slams into you, and some weird imp thing.

[zealous ridge]

the enemies all suck pretty bad

[hollow shell]

well byeah it does need expansion

[zealous ridge]

scorn eater is useless anywhere that isnt surface or maybe hell and thats a big maybe

[sharp prism]

wasnt they a profaned worm at some point?

[zealous ridge]

profaned energy is bad

[hollow shell]

Ye

Really long time ago

[sharp prism]

mm

[zealous ridge]

immolator is the best of the 3 but still boring

[hollow shell]

Before the aesthetic got reworked

[hot zephyr]

Profaned enemies should be less of a hassle after the curve flattening

[crude geode]

Compare anything post-ml, phantoplasm or profaned things or similar, to like Sunken Sea or the Abyss.

[zealous ridge]

#bring back ungodly serpent

im sure theyll be less of a hassle

but the point stands that they are inherently weak enemies

[hollow shell]

Indeed
All of our unique biomes have a frankly unecessarily high amount of enemy variety

[zealous ridge]

like, their ai really cant stand up to terrain or mobility

[hollow shell]

And it's good

Then PostML gets so barren

[crude geode]

You spend so little time with anything in post-ml, which means there's little reason for actual content there.

mhm

[zealous ridge]

post-ml becomes a boss rush, arguably more so than vanilla hardmode

[crude geode]

In terms of Providence, you farm her unholy energy, kill her, and done.

[hollow shell]

Who wants to make suggestions about tackling this

[zealous ridge]

i would but its a massive undertaking

[crude geode]

I'll tackle phantoplasm bc I've done it in the past.

[hollow shell]

"Add more unique enemies to the PostML dungeon"

[molten quest]

who wants to do the sacrifice-

[hollow shell]

"Add more unique enemies to the Profaned biomes"

[zealous ridge]

btw can we get stratus enemies in the dungeon

[hollow shell]

"Add more unique enemies to the buffed Moon and Eclipse events"

The dungeon?

[sharp prism]

i feel like post ml is hell to add stuff to, not going past scal yet , and a fuck ton of bosses to balance

[hollow shell]

Stratus is space-themed

[zealous ridge]

fair, but whats the lumenyl and souls doing in there

[crude geode]

lumenyl is the abyss bruv

[hollow shell]

Funny blue glow

[zealous ridge]

[hot zephyr]

You could literally make these suggestions to every area in post-ml

[crude geode]

eidolists are just funny and are both in abyss and dungeon

[zealous ridge]

yeah

what do eidolist have to do with da sky

with da SPACE

[hollow shell]

What I'm saying is that the stratus theme is space-themed

[zealous ridge]

yes

[hollow shell]

So if we are to add stratus enemies (which we totally could do)

[crude geode]

"Sphere"

[hollow shell]

They'd be by planetoids

[zealous ridge]

okay, fair enough i suppose

[sharp prism]

make them the planetiods

[crude geode]

Why is Stratus Sphere's name cut off tho

[hollow shell]

That's how the navboxes for sets work

The navbox is titled "Stratus", so "Stratus" is cut out in all of its appearances in the box to prevent redundancy

[zealous ridge]

but still want like, a block shaped enemy that acts like the slider from aether

[hollow shell]

It's much more apparent in ore sets

[crude geode]

gotcha

[hollow shell]

Adamantite ___ over and over

Aether slider kind of guy could be neat

[zealous ridge]

then elemental set removes all elemental and elements from its names

[hollow shell]

Problem being how open it is up there, they don't have much to collide with

[zealous ridge]

"ark". "aguer"

no i mean in the dungeon

[hollow shell]

Oh I see

[zealous ridge]

should have clarified, sorry lol

[crude geode]

I'll write something up regarding Phantoplasm in a bit, once it won't screw over my previous suggestion, because it doesn't just need more enemies. It also needs actual usage outside of bloodstone.

[zealous ridge]

ooh ooh, can you make it craft a spectre armor upgrade!!?

thats my oc idea donutsteel

[crude geode]

Two post-ml mage donator sets

[zealous ridge]

in all seriousness, though, i dont know how that would fit in the suggestion

might be hard to segue into those two points

we'll see, ill let you write something up

[molten quest]

That's be nice, actually, since it would atleast give mages a reason to use the thing thats exclusive to them and not the thing all classes use-

[hollow shell]

That is a totally separate issue

which can be covered another time

[zealous ridge]

yeah, i agree with rover

probably would be better to keep it on the backburner

[molten quest]

Alright

[hollow shell]

It is indeed an issue, one that I would like fixed
but for now let's focus on enemies

[zealous ridge]

(just speaking generally, not exclusively to you, omega)

[molten quest]

Alright

[zealous ridge]

(also last comment: phantom pickaxe and hamaxe [and painting tools] ) (would be nice to see new tools there and that might be one way to incorperate that idea)

[lunar sky]

Does the “do not ask” section on the doc mean that the stuff there won’t be added, it’s already planned or both

[hollow shell]

Which section?

[pine star]

The "Frequently Suggested Suggestions" section

[zealous ridge]

its that its been suggested so much it really shouldnt be asked for anymore to prevent channel clutter? thats what id guess

so it could be either, or both

basically

[lunar sky]

Probably both

[zealous ridge]

yes

i mean it wouldnt make sense for something to be planned but it wont be added

lmao

[hollow shell]

Yeah if you mean Frequent then, yeah they could be planned or they could not be planned
They're just put in there if they're so common that it becomes a problem

devs already seen it, more's just redundant

[zealous ridge]

suggesting it will likely have it be deleted, basically

yes

[lunar sky]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Aren't the ooa armor suggs a don't?

Making vanilla equips boost rogue statd

[hollow shell]

Yep, you're right

I totally blinded that

@grim tusk

(the "above" being this, albeit irrelevant for this sugg)

If we wanna make OOA more appealing for Rogue players we'd need to do it through new content and not changing the damage type of existing content

[grim tusk]

Oh well so suggesting like new rogue specific items from OoA is fine then

Like a new armor made for rogue

Or a new weapon dropped from besty for rogue

[hollow shell]

ye ye, like that.

[grim tusk]

But wouldnt that fall to specific item suggestion

[hollow shell]

You can be non-specific about it

You can suggest that rogue content be added from certain sources as long as you like
don't give it a name or stats or lay out exactly how it would function

[grim tusk]

Oh ok

[zealous ridge]

the main issue is that it would kind of have to be seperate from tavernkeep

"kind of" because his store is already filled

[hollow shell]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[zealous ridge]

assuming you want to fall in that idea

but new rogue weapons? sounds cool

[hollow shell]

There is that one mod which extends NPC shops but we can't rely on players having that

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

make that a cal Feature™

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Pardon?

[zealous ridge]

oh god

okay, so

[hollow shell]

Can't suggest that for a few reasons

[zealous ridge]

first off, 1.4 content, and second off, kind of a specific suggestion, lastly, like no elaboration at all

[hollow shell]

It pertains to 1.4, and we're not 1.4 yet. Gotta save those kinds of suggs for when we actually are compatible

[zealous ridge]

thats what ti comes down to

[hollow shell]

and 2, can't give stuff a specific name
and 3, you needed a reason

byeah

I'm not 100% sure on how we're gonna handle Terraspark existing

[zealous ridge]

it does make me wonder, what the fate of angel treads will be

yeah

[hollow shell]

I assume we'll just use it in the Angel Treads recipe instead of Frostspark & Lava Waders

[zealous ridge]

i guess that would work yeah

[hollow shell]

Cuz Angel Treads does do more than just combine em

It has some movement speed buffs iirc

[zealous ridge]

it at least has harpy ring

which, if i recall it technically doesnt inherit flight time boost

[earnest cape]

heard from fab it's gonna be the same but instead of frostspark and lava waders as the recipe it's jusp terraspark and the other stuff?

[hollow shell]

And, Angel is much later in the game

[earnest cape]

cause terraspark doesn't give speed

o

[hollow shell]

Terraspark I think is technically pre-boss

[earnest cape]

it is ye

[zealous ridge]

big fat technically there

because like

imagine getting lava waders pre boss

[hollow shell]

Well, it's post-Goblins

[earnest cape]

the question is why would you get it pre boss

[zealous ridge]

lava charm god

[hollow shell]

Need Rocket Boots.

[zealous ridge]

thats also true

[earnest cape]

well same could be said for frostspark tbf

[zealous ridge]

i actually dont know if angel treads inherit any effects from harpy ring

[hollow shell]

I'll check

[zealous ridge]

besides assumedly increasing run speed bc its fast ring thing

[summer sentinel]

Yeah I believe this was the option -> terraspark is used as crafting material for angel treads, mostly sure on it

[hollow shell]

Yeah, Angel Treads do directly inherit the effects of Harpy Ring

Calls the same code

[zealous ridge]

interesting

maybe its seraph that doesnt inherit it

unless it does and the wiki is just being meme again

[hollow shell]

Yeah, Seraph does not inherit

Its move speed bonus seems like it's technically less than Angel Treads
But up until now that didn't matter like at all

Might change now that movement speed actually does something

[zealous ridge]

agreed

[radiant meadow]

@mint orchid Bug reports do not belong in suggestions. You should've posted it in #bugs-read-pins, but I'll fix it rn I guess.

[hollow shell]

Technically a bug?

[radiant meadow]

Yes

[mint orchid]

Oh

I thought it wasnt.

[radiant meadow]

because I'm dumb and forgot to add a check if the projectile is a stealth strike

before summoning a petal

well, first thing is

[hollow shell]

Ah, he thought it was the opposite

[mint orchid]

Yeah

[radiant meadow]

big marker that it's a bug fix

[hollow shell]

The tooltip being wrong

[radiant meadow]

You literally said "Fix this"

with your suggestion

[hollow shell]

Are notably inaccurate tooltips to be reported as bugs?

[radiant meadow]

Yes

and/or oversight

[hollow shell]

Aight

[radiant meadow]

whatever you want to call it

[hollow shell]

I'll keep that in mind

[radiant meadow]

Yeah so like if Exoblade tooltip says it summons stars from the sky and halves the player's health per swing but it doesn't do that. We can call that a bug.

[mint orchid]

Ok

[radiant meadow]

(extreme example of course)

[hollow shell]

Okie

[mint orchid]

Personally I thought it was cool that they always summoned petals, but I am not a dev

[radiant meadow]

You can suggest the weapon to be like that.

but the weapon still needs some sort of stealth strike then.

[hollow shell]

In other news
@plain flare #suggestions-voting message
Similar sugg from a couple weeks ago, got denied by the devs

It's harder than one would think to make flamethrowers use a gel ammo group rather than just Gel. tModLoader / Terraria doesn't really have the code in place for making custom ammo groups

(If I recall correctly from the convos about that older sugg)

[plain flare]

hmm, interesting

I'll delete

[mint orchid]

It already feels like a good enough stealth strike for petals

[plain flare]

that would be pretty cool for custom ammo though

imagine custom gel ammo lol

[hollow shell]

It's unfortunate. I would also like if the different gels could be used like bullet variants.

But the code ain't there.

[plain flare]

that made me think how there's isn't custom arrows for pre-hardmode

well I don't think

I was playing deathmode/defiled archer and I stuck to frostbite/jester arrows

[hollow shell]

Yeah, you right

Several preHM bullets tho

[plain flare]

I think 1 or 2 would be cool

maybe something right as you start out and one in the middle-end

[hollow shell]

You could suggest that

[plain flare]

example: "purified arrows", make them with purified gel or something idk

[distant vault]

would be sick tbh

[plain flare]

also maybe it would be cool if there was a unique arrow thing

like fargos has a pouch with all arrows mixed, but I was thinking a pouch maybe in hardmode, where it's infinite and shoots 2 different type of arrows

[hollow shell]

I mean, there isn't really a shortage of arrows in vanilla preHM, but you can just say from a Calamity standpoint

[plain flare]

yeah that's what I was getting at

frostburn arrows carries you a long way

[mint orchid]

That would be really cool

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message
@hollow shell is this better?

[hollow shell]

Yep, that seems fine

[plain flare]

If I were to request arrows, I'd do it in a non generic way

purified arrows is a very easy solution, but I like creativity more

[real steppe]

Do you think Belladonna is OP?

Imo it's better to buff other summon weapons to make it on par with Belladonna instead

[earnest cape]

but you see you need to go to jungle to get belladonna

and getting belladonna as a summoner is agony since a. your summons suck and b. your enemies hit for a fuck ton

[cerulean estuary]

Having b-lined straight for jungle to get belladonna once I support this statement, actually getting belledonna early is ech

[tawny garden]

@edgy blaze suggesting legendaries is a don't

[edgy blaze]

you are warned i dont trust you

my goals are beyond your understanding

[tawny garden]

@summer sentinel ❗ this

[frail mantle]

i am not warned and i can confirm that suggesting legendaries is a don't

[edgy blaze]

as ive told you

my goals are beyond your understanding

[frail mantle]

still not allowed

your goals can be wherever you want them to be but there are still rules for suggestions in this server that you have to follow

[frozen hornet]

do we really need more melee weapons

[tawny garden]

No

We need less

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[eternal escarp]

its also suggesting to make sub classes viable and stuff, which isnt allowed either isnt it

[frail mantle]

correct

[edgy blaze]

no

i didnt say that

[frozen hornet]

Aren't shortswords already viable?

[eternal escarp]

doing a shortsword only run

[edgy blaze]

i just asked for a legendary shortsword because i noticed its missing

[frail mantle]

suggestions about making subclass runs more viable aren't allowed

[edgy blaze]

ok man

you do you jeez

[eternal escarp]

shortsword only run is a challenge you imposed on yourself

and it is basically a sub class

[frail mantle]

not every subclass needs a legendary

[edgy blaze]

i understand i dont need all discord members to explain

i juts thought of it

just*

do whatever

delete it or whatever

[eternal escarp]

well

we specifically cant
and you can word your suggestion to fit the donts too

so it wont break any of the "Donts" on the doc

[ashen warren]

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this classify as some sort of specific item request?

[cobalt pewter]

This isn't SIS, but it breaks 2 other don'ts

[ashen warren]

Oh

Alright, thanks

[eternal escarp]

it would have been if one was to suggest a specific item, like saying "Add 'Shortsword of something' which requires --- and deals -- damage with -- kb.."

[ashen warren]

oh

So like an actual item

[eternal escarp]

yeah basically

suggesting an item broadly like "please add -- type of weapon to post-whatever" for example (with a good reason obv) is a-ok afaik

[ashen warren]

Oh alright

Thanks for the clarification

[eternal escarp]

np, glad i helped

[earnest cape]

Well then

[crystal iron]

are legendaries getting a rework anytime soon, cuz ive heard somehwere that thry are

they*

[cobalt pewter]

Nothing planned for 1.5

But a sugg about it was approved

[tawny garden]

also "legendaries rework" is pretty broad

[crystal iron]

ah

would suggesting to rewoek a sinmgle legendary be a don't

[zenith hazel]

we already have smth planned

[tawny garden]

I don't think so

[zenith hazel]

no need to suggest

[tawny garden]

unless they're changing it already

yeah

[zenith hazel]

it's practically a don't

[crystal iron]

oh ok

[crystal iron]

how so, just asking

[zenith hazel]

.

[crystal iron]

oh ye

[river glen]

vanilla summons are very weak

does that seem like it?

like they suck

they suffer from i frarmes

so bad

like besides the cell staff which dosent have bad i frames is good

[cobalt pewter]

Do you know how Cell Staff works

[frozen hornet]

Cell staff uses debuffs right?

[ashen warren]

yeah

also cell staff is good

way better than the dragon in most cases

[wind rune]

Hey, how about adding an endgame sniper rifle?

[zenith hazel]

tyranny's end

[wind rune]

Not endgame

Post-Yharon

And it's wack

[cobalt pewter]

mfw TE gonna be buffed in 1.5

[zenith hazel]

then that's dev territory

anything post-scal is off limits

[wind rune]

Like, 20-25k compared to photoviscerator's average 80k

Bruh

[zenith hazel]

we get it, it's bad

you don't need to remind us like the thousands of others who have

it's getting buffed, end of story

[wind rune]

Ok, got it, ty

[tawny garden]

bluecheck the latest sugg pls

[remote crystal]

Don't warmth potions make Cryo a joke?

[zenith hazel]

@loud edge specific item suggestions are not allowed

especially anything related to shadowspec bars

[loud edge]

oh

ok

[pulsar rose]

can we get a sword called sword

[cobalt pewter]

No

[pulsar rose]

but why not

[earnest cape]

Because that would be terrible

[sleek turret]

and breaks some rules on the dont doc pinned.

[tranquil bone]

this is probably suggested quite a bit but I would like to see some sort of repaired hero's sword, not just a sword made with the broken hero's sword but one that has a sprite that looks like a fixed version of it

[cobalt pewter]

SIS

[earnest cape]

SIS

So a no-no

[gray nebula]

fonny brimstone rings

[earnest cape]

Gee i wonder what lead you to making this sugg

[cobalt pewter]

[earnest cape]

[gray nebula]

just make the other projectiles draw ABOVE the lads

w outline effects

[earnest cape]

Lmao

[gray nebula]

would be super funny if we actually discussed this jhehehe

[cobalt pewter]

I wouldn't mind that, but who knows if that solution becomes Cryo Projectiles 2.0: Brimstone Boogaloo

[dapper coral]

is transparent a better word? hollow sounds kinda funky

[gray nebula]

I think feed litterally meant hollow

he wants donuts

[dapper coral]

o

that is

hmm

[earnest cape]

4 donuts chases after you

[gray nebula]

doNUTTY sugg would also look stupid but don't worry we're handling the issue already

[dapper coral]

i'm just trying to comprehend how

[earnest cape]

Iban i hope you step on a lego

[gray nebula]

same

[pine star]

DONUTS

Sulfur Donuts

[grim tusk]

Profaned Donuts

[cobalt pewter]

Just do the scal treatment and give the monsters actual shape with funni brimstone barrier things

[tranquil bone]

I didn't think i was being too specific with this since I didn't state what it did or really any materials required just a vague idea of what it could look like

but ok

[cobalt pewter]

There's literally no real reason why it should be a thing

[grim tusk]

They are shaped like a

[cobalt pewter]

In any case ye

[pine star]

[earnest cape]

Theres actually a mod to make them hage moons

But it kinda ruins their transparency and the image quality is kinda butt fucky

[tawny garden]

[hot zephyr]

tbh Cryogen isn't that bad if you disable your backgrounds

[knotty moat]

i like cryogen background

[earnest cape]

But you get more fps if you disable it

[frozen storm]

Duh

Brimmy Monster is big cuz DMode

[earnest cape]

Im pretty sure the moons' sizes is the same

Its just the illusion its bigger cause arena smaller

[dapper coral]

moons are the same size in all modes, it's the arena size that changes

[earnest cape]

Its noticibly smaller too

[hearty yew]

@hollow shell most recent suggestion is a callout post to you, what is your stance?

[earnest cape]

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

If you're talking about the most recent one in voting, he already said yesterday that he disagrees but it's valid

[bitter drift]

@kindred creek i agree in the fact that you should be able to craft the materials back to their original state but removing them is a fool's move
the devs made them so that it would be easier to craft things as before recipes would hit the resource "cap" of 12

[eternal escarp]

the sugg is already in voting, wont help much

[tawny garden]

The cap is 15 @bitter drift

[mighty knot]

uh oh

[ancient mirage]

according to the wiki, yharon only enrages when you go too far up or outside the infernadoes, biome doesnt matter

[tawny garden]

yeah

that's already the case

unless you hit the height limit

[mighty knot]

o

then why was he going invincible all the time when I fought him yesterday

[fossil finch]

bruh

[mighty knot]

independent of subphases, I'm not dumb

is this a new change?

[hollow shell]

Does the height enrage still exist without a visual indicator?

[mighty knot]

I thought it was just above the tornadoes

[eternal escarp]

im pretty sure there is no visual indicator atm

unless you can see his movement more enraged ig

[hollow shell]

There's no actual line there, and (like all bosses) there is nothing telling you when you are enraging the boss cuz you're in an invalid area

Which frustrates me
I would really really like a universal enrage indicator

[fossil finch]

you have the healthbar

[eternal escarp]

tbh, i think the summon can give info on the arena, like Eye of Exitinction which tells you how its arena spawns

[hollow shell]

byeah it can easily go on our boss health bar
(if you're talking about the boss's healthbar disapearing, that won't be the case anymore. Many bosses got their enrages changed so they are still vulnerable but have behavior changes)

[eternal escarp]

oh, making it like a toggling thing on the HPBar would be nice, like a tick thing that goes on when he does enrage

dunno if thats what you meant, but it sounds cool

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Put a little skull next to the name, tint the separator line red
or something like that

[eternal escarp]

yeah, that sounds like a great thing visualy and it can be informational

[hollow shell]

also

[tawny garden]

or like

do a sound cue

how tf do you spell that word

[hollow shell]

Yeah I definitely disagree for several reasons

Combo mats provide a separation on the wiki, Guide, and Crafting browser;
they provide a thematic separation, so you're not using unrelated mats directly in a certain themed recipe;
they allow you to focus on the more important and distinct parts of the recipe, like all of an exo weapon's weapon components rather than the shared group of flavor materials;
they provide consistency between recipes so some multi mat items don't require different uneven amounts (ex. before Auric Bar existed, the Tesla armor and the Exo weps used a different large set of materials)

but it's valid, cuz I get that it can be annoying to have the extra crafting step and having to worry about makin too many

(yeah it's sound cue, you got it. That would also be welcome.)

[hearty yew]

Yeah

It's a valid suggestion

There is a valid argument for "Why do you make me craft this if it does nothing but craft other shit"

Problem is that leads into reductionism

Like why have metal bars

for example.

[hot zephyr]

Agreed

[hollow shell]

Core of Calamity I think is the weirdest one on the bunch

It doesn't constitute different tiers (unlike ASE and Life Alloy and Auric Bar)
It only combines 3 materials (Galactica, also combining on-tier, at least combining 4)
And it doesn't have a very strong theme of its own

and then you have Patrons coming in and telling the system to shove it

[tawny garden]

[dapper coral]

wot

i

mm okey then

[tawny garden]

confusion moment

[pine star]

Please make Mad Alch Cocktail Glove use 6 Cores of Calamity instead of the shit it uses now

[zenith hazel]

that's like buying a cake alongside cake ingredients

[tawny garden]

lol

[crystal iron]

would remving the hadarian mebrane be a valid sugg

or is it a joke in calamity

[eternal escarp]

i know i want it gone

but idk

[tawny garden]

nah

not a don't

you can sugg that

[crystal iron]

oh ok#

[hollow shell]

That's not the change you should have suggested

You should have suggested that Hadarians drop the wings directly

Cut out the middle man

Cuz making the wings take stardust and feathers would make Hadarians useless

[crystal iron]

oh ok

accident.ly deleted it : )

[hollow shell]

Crud

[eternal escarp]

F

on the topic of that place in the game

[radiant meadow]

Just rewrite it in a few minutes then. It's not a big deal.

[crystal iron]

ik

[eternal escarp]

is there a reason why exodus wings are pre ML unlike most lunar gear?
im intrigued to know tbh

[hollow shell]

also sorry for being imposing with my "should"s, but I have thought about this suggestion before and I would not like to see those enemies, and by extension the whole Astral Desert minibiome, become useless

[crystal iron]

are you talking to me or someone else

[hollow shell]

You cuz I told you what to do with your sugg :P

And uh, I guess I don't know why Exodus wings are like that

The armor still requires Luminite bars so that is a lil odd

Prolly won't be able to make that change now tho if people enjoy using those wings for ML

[eternal escarp]

fair

its just sad how hadarian wings get completely overshadowed by wings you get before them

[crude geode]

People enjoy using it there’s no other real competition at that post cultist tier.

There’s no mobility like exodus wings.

[pine star]

Fishron Wings are similar to Exodus Wings iirc

[crude geode]

myes farming for Fishron wings

[pine star]

That said, at least there is mobility like Exodus Wings

[fossil finch]

bug, so in #bugs-read-pins and i think i've heard it's getting fixed anyways

[crystal iron]

ye itsa knowm bug

[cobalt pewter]

Already fixed for 1.5

[cobalt pewter]

I'm quite sure Ench Metal is already planned to be removed

@zenith hazel what do with sugg

[summer sentinel]

yeah it's planned to be removed already, sugg can be removed

@jagged jackal removed your sugg due to the above^

[pine star]

@faint lodge I'm pretty sure this is classified as a "grand-scale rework"

[cobalt pewter]

OOA is just fucked

And ye

[pine star]

@faint lodge , because there is a doc in there that will tell you what not to do

[fossil finch]

Fuck ooa
Add calamity content instead

[faint lodge]

Oh

[cerulean estuary]

ooa kinda poopy stinky

few people ever play ooa

[faint lodge]

I didn't know Lol

[crude geode]

OOA is heavily disliked because it's a slog to do.

[cerulean estuary]

with any class but summoner you really need to armors for sentrys to matter during the event

and it's always ballista anyway

and most of the rewards aren't even good

[distant gyro]

it's a slog and the defender medal items are overpriced

[earnest cape]

aren't ooa sentries getting buffed

since they're mediocre in clam

and there are better stuff

[cobalt pewter]

Buffing Ballista spam!? UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

Actually idk

[earnest cape]

[distant gyro]

doing 3 runs of that shit is die

no

[earnest cape]

it's not just 3 runs of that shit cause if you're doing all 3 tiers you're doing it for a reason

and ooa stuff are overpriced as hell so...

[cerulean estuary]

betsy drops were hella buffed 1.4 I guess

[earnest cape]

iirc they're still bad

[cerulean estuary]

the mage one isn't terrible iirc but isn't really worth getting

for the effort you have to put in

the mage one would be decent if it didn't require doing t3 ooa

[hot zephyr]

Betsy loot is, and will always be, irrelevant because Terraria is funny by locking the second best set of weapons in the game behind a pushover boss

You can literally kill LC, and your pillar of choice before OOA even gets to wave 7

[cerulean estuary]

and unless you are specifically going for something like ooa or post golem duke or something you're gonna hop straight from golem to lc, just like some people run straight from plant to golem

[cobalt pewter]

LC is just a horrible design in terms of how easy to steamroll this mf

[cerulean estuary]

he's "a gateway boss not meant to be hard" but the pillars aren't hard either, just annoying

mainly because you gotta kill him every time you need to spawn to pillars

which is just patching up bad design with worse design

[cobalt pewter]

[cerulean estuary]

but if there was a way to summon pillars without killing lc then once you kill lc once he only exists as some enemies to accidentally dash into when entering the dungeon

real shame the boss that
-is about the same size as you instead of being a funny big monster
-doesn't spend the whole fight trying to ram into you
-has an interesting design instead of plant or eyeball
-has a very unique fight with some interesting mechanics
is so poorly executed

[hot zephyr]

He just needs better mobility tbh

He spends 99% of the fight standing still

Let him fly like the player, let him run after you

Give him a punish to stop you from just leaving the area and firing from a distance

[cerulean estuary]

also don't make his expert mode attacks he does at lower health unironically easier than his base attacks

like who the hell decided to give him a slow spray of destroyable projectiles

what were they smoking

[frozen storm]

Does devs do something about rage?

[earnest cape]

yes

[frozen storm]

[earnest cape]

@kind quest only post suggestions in #suggestions-posting

[golden narwhal]

wa

[earnest cape]

share opinions here

[frozen hornet]

Ah yes,the best suggestion, "wa"

[earnest cape]

wa moment

[cerulean estuary]

Wa

Tbh i agree

The devs need to get on that right away

[earnest cape]

yoo what the hell I just noticed there's only 1 sugg in voting

impossible

[hollow shell]

(if there was only 1 sugg in voting I would be very concerned)

[earnest cape]

wait i had a brain fart

fuck

[hollow shell]

Breaking News:

Everything is fucking gone

[earnest cape]

Oh god oh fuck

[hollow shell]

Also good suggestion

[cerulean estuary]

Calamity mod discord was never real

Wake up

[cobalt pewter]

Overloaded Soldier has potential tbh, wished it's more unique instead of just being a victim to low% shenanigans

We can just remove Phantom Debris

[earnest cape]

what even are the spawning conditions of both

[cobalt pewter]

pML, Cavern

[hollow shell]

I intended for Overloaded Soldier to spawn in the Dungeon but it was put in the Underground layer when implemented

[earnest cape]

it's in both according to the wiki

[hollow shell]

... not according to the source
Wuh oh

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

Cus funne low% ig

[hollow shell]

What

[earnest cape]

hage

[cobalt pewter]

Without either soldier or debris, low% scal probably wouldn't be possible