holy crap, I just realized
#suggestions-discussion
tawny garden
civic notch
:kill:
tawny garden
Feedza betrayed rogue
earnest cape
tawny garden
and sugged mage stuff
earnest cape
WHAT
tawny garden
😮
earnest cape
EXPAND ON TENTACLE
eternal escarp
and sugged mage stuff
he was reminded tentacle weapons existed
earnest cape
caps
tawny garden
I have a cap
cobalt pewter
And yeah, talked about augur with xyk yesterday
pine star
Personally, I would like if Augur of the Elements acted like an actual augur
earnest cape
augur of the elements
earnest cape
https://augur.net/ <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
tawny garden
Personally, I would like if Augur of the Elements acted like an actual augur
explain
civic notch
Someone who observed me
earnest cape
well then
tawny garden
m
dapper coral
auger is way different than an augur
crude geode
^
crude geode
Auger is like a type of drill.
pine star
An auger is a kind of drill
eternal escarp
theres so many auger and augurs
pine star
Idk how the hell I though auger was spelled a u g u r
eternal escarp
holy
crude geode
Why was Augur of the Elements even named Augur of the Elements
eternal escarp
the "of the elements" makes sense
pine star
There's so fucking many augurs
eternal escarp
the "augur" confuses me
tawny garden
Why was Augur of the Elements even named Augur of the Elements
fancy names™️
crude geode
mana overloader moment
cobalt pewter
In any case, making each iteration of the tentacle weapons unique would be gaming
eternal escarp
yee
crude geode
Indeed
pine star
yeah
eternal escarp
well theres only 4 of them, but i want them to be more unique tbh
pine star
eternal escarp
blood thorn but good
craggy stratus
post ML vilehorn when 
cobalt pewter
I'd rather have these weapons still inherit the base design of Hex Doll
Which is close range tentacle bursts
But expanding on them would be epic
tired haven
Blood thorn but good aint happen without removing the part where it sticks to surfaces
eternal escarp
Blood thorn but good aint happen without removing the part where it sticks to su...
yeah, thats the sad part
earnest cape
feedza reliving 🐔👔 in terraria
pine star
tired haven
at which point it's more of stormbow than blood thorn
craggy stratus
eternal escarp
why did they think its a good idea, when every platform used for any arena doesnt count as a block
tired haven
Who knows, who knows
eternal escarp
lmao
pine star
Maybe it sticks to surfaces, except that platforms also count as surfaces?
tired haven
And the most baffling part is that you can't even shoot further than 30 blocks on a surface anyway
eternal escarp
tbh a ground weapon could be good, but not that late in the game when theres 0 fights on the surface
cobalt pewter
And 1.4.1 (?) kinda buffed it
tawny garden
thing is, with all of these tentacle weapons
I never found a use for them
cobalt pewter
So it shoots around you if it can't register blocks around the cursor iirc
craggy stratus
eldritch tome pair well with mana polarizer against WoF
tired haven
Eldritch tome is alright at eating waffle
tired haven
Everything else kinda got too low range to function
craggy stratus
for shadow hex doll thing, it actually decent against destroyer
tawny garden
mb they were either too short-ranged for me
eternal escarp
and i used augur for prov iirc, it was decent
craggy stratus
and skeleprime
crude geode
Tome of Fates does pretty damn well against Deus.
tawny garden
cuz I suck
tired haven
Augur works for farming ML, i'd give it that
pine star
There's one thing we wish to know:
Why is augur of the elements called augur?
tawny garden
ask the person who made it
craggy stratus
it sounds cool
tired haven
why not
earnest cape
pine star
eternal escarp
fair
pine star
The Augur of the Elements is not spooky
tired haven
Dunno about that, chief
The tentacles are spooky for sure
craggy stratus
#suggestions-posting message i personally approve this sugg's reason
earnest cape
h
craggy stratus
wait is SSV considered a tentacle weapon
pine star
no
worn blaze
srry mobile is broken for me what's the sugg's reasoning?
craggy stratus
why is it included in feedzuh's sugg as excluded
"Additionally, a toilet fits the theme of the deep abyss; that being water, and in particular, high pressure. The pressure resistant materials gathered from the abyss would provide excellent flush capabilities, making it a throne truly suitable for a king"
worn blaze
oh my sugg
eternal escarp
aka your sugg
earnest cape
why is it included in feedzuh's sugg as excluded
because it has tentacles
craggy stratus
oh yeah
eternal escarp
im hinestly surprised how hard you tried to make the sugg not a meme
craggy stratus
i keep remembering that it only shoot a vortex
eternal escarp
and i appreciate that
cobalt pewter
I'd say SSV is a unique thing that's hard to be classified into the same place as others
In terms of tentacles at least
worn blaze
BRUH THAT'S CAUSE I NEED IT FOR MY BUILD REEEEE
craggy stratus
i guess you could say SSV shoot out portable tentacles
eternal escarp
ssv is just a combo weapon
eternal escarp
BRUH THAT'S CAUSE I NEED IT FOR MY BUILD REEEEE
i feel this
worn blaze
I have a voidstone brutalist facility build and all I'm missing is the high tech bathroom
eternal escarp
i think ssv is great rn
pine star
SSV is in a good spot rn
worn blaze
that's what I did for my throne
but it just don't work with the toilet, not feelin it : (
eternal escarp
auric toilet brought a mistake
worn blaze
speaking of which might make a sugg to add more thrones
pine star
pine star
worn blaze
ugh stop
crude geode
CrabBar why 
eternal escarp
sadly this addition will cause the channel to flood
earnest cape
crabbar do be embracing dad
worn blaze
I'm unsubbing rn
summer sentinel
Based crabbar 
pine star
eternal escarp
lmao
earnest cape
pine star
earnest cape
also this isn't edited
eternal escarp
sounds like the joke finnaly flushed
earnest cape
.
pine star
😳
rugged belfry
pine star
I will forgive you
eternal escarp
this is your punishment for such a stinky suggestion
worn blaze
no remember, it's the opposite of stinky because of the high water pressure that cleans up any stain
dapper coral
please stay on topic
eternal escarp
oh right, sorry
ashen warren
ugly emote, bad cringe ech
worn blaze
bro we're talking bout my sugg, technically
earnest cape
eternal escarp
actually i started the off topic byeah, about the tentacle weapons agian
oh, theres LIVE sugg
pine star
civic notch
live
craggy stratus
eternal escarp
i like kill, but live just doesnt give me an emote vibe
civic notch
Kill is still much better
craggy stratus
kill is indeed ebtter
pine star
KILL is far superior to LIVE
pine star
yeah
craggy stratus
ngl live looks more like :high:
worn blaze
is that gypsy crusader? or am I just not fly with the kids to know who that is?
low hedge
ashen warren
Epic
weak field
How would you even kill that many wyverns
astral blade
<@!678116042375036958> Specific item suggestions aren't allowed
ok I delete it
worn blaze
was mine a sis? Been wondering about that
tawny garden
nah
dapper coral
no it's fine
eternal escarp
i think just saying "add toilet of this set" is fine
its not like you guided 1 by 1 how it should be lmao
rugged belfry
was mine a sis? Been wondering about that
Should be okay
Like it's not like "add a blue tome that shoots little red dots that home in on enemies and deal 3 damage per second and inflict shadowflame but not shadowflame if you are 3.5 blocks from 12 pieces of stone within a 6x4 area thatd be cool" so you should be 👍
Since it's just a piece of furniture that already exists in other parts of the game
worn blaze
oh ok kool
swift wadi
After moderator discussion, we've decided to employ a new rule to suggestions:
Emote suggestions are here-by banned with no exceptions.
We decided that the current way of dealing with emotes is flawed, and doesn't fit the rules and guidelines of the Suggestions channels. Emote suggestions normally end up causing arguments and drama, and being ineffective at what they're meant to do, as-well as the aforementioned lack of fitting in (ex: basically never having a good reason).
We will be looking at new and better options for emote adding opportunities in the future so that our slots are used, and any current emote suggestions in the Posting/Voting channels will stay, however any new ones will be deleted, thank you.
tawny garden
tawny garden
I assume this doesn't apply to the ones that are already in?
ashen warren
~~emote suggestion channel when~~
that sugg was denied
eternal escarp
tawny garden
ah
rugged belfry
that sugg was denied
ik I was joking about the fact that it was denied
i guess that made no sense lol
tawny garden
I'm le dumb
eternal escarp
you are
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
this should be added to the doc
radiant meadow
I can ask Poss. It'll be updated in due time.
half kayak
quiet abyss
I'll update it
tawny garden
it's been a while since the last don't was added
robust lava
I think this was bound to happen
tawny garden
it was
quiet abyss
Done. Is the wording alright?
sharp prism
tawny garden
unless the emotes were gud
cobalt pewter
Still a clutter either way
hot zephyr
tawny garden
like 
low hedge
is kill and live mortis
sharp prism
and 
hot zephyr
No
low hedge
pog
hot zephyr
Old emote suggs stay
tawny garden
no Aleksh
sharp prism
as well as
tawny garden
yours can stay
hardy dock
low hedge
i am the final emote suggestion
pine star
was also great
tawny garden
ye
low hedge
and the reason why rules exist
hot zephyr
I feel like there should've been a solution instead of just banning them though.
elder kestrel
they weren't banned for being clutter
tawny garden
there is none
elder kestrel
because they weren't clutter
low hedge
emote suggestions 2 coming out to the consoles in 20 minutes
hot zephyr
tawny garden
electric boogaloo
sharp prism
no more peepo emote suggs 
hot zephyr
Dank leaves sugg channels because there was nothing left for him.
tawny garden
peepoo was banned long before
low hedge
tawny garden
"peepoo" was totally intentional
sharp prism
i already ran out of emotes 🙄
crude geode
I feel like there should've been a solution instead of just banning them though.
Banning them is a short term solution to shut people like me and ThomasThePencil up.
tawny garden
and me
hot zephyr
~~Banning them is a short term solution to shut people like me and ThomasThePenc...
I just have a feeling we're not going to see an actual solution/compromise for a long while
tawny garden
there is no solution
hot zephyr
Instead of finding a way to process them separately to suggestions it's just an outright ban
also now what does Dank do
crude geode
We will be looking at new and better options for emote adding opportunities in the future so that our slots are used
Give it some time
summer sentinel
There’s an alternative method being talked about that may exist in the future, and alekshs emote suggs stay since they were posted before the ban
low hedge
tawny garden
There’s an alternative method being talked about that may exist in the future, a...
which
hot zephyr
I would've waited until the "alternative method" was ready before banning them outright tbh
hot zephyr
Let Lauren manage the emotes
tawny garden
pine star
low hedge
let me manage the emotes
summer sentinel
that’d be funny but move on from the topic and go back to other suggs or perish
rugged belfry
I wish I could change my nickname so I could add like (Melee Expert) so people dont have to ask lol
hint hint
low hedge
crude geode
Just ask, nincompoop
low hedge
@ ein
rugged belfry
winks at staff member
radiant meadow
You don't need to beat around the bush, just ask if you want your nick changed.
elder mist
:]
crude geode
Name him Nickname Coward
elder mist
yea same
rugged belfry
You don't need to beat around the bush, just ask if you want your nick changed.
can you make my nickname have [Melee - Expert] at the end PLEASEEE I will give you candy
or cookies
radiant meadow
Anyways, please resume conversation more fitting to this channel.
sharp prism
bots dead
sharp prism
hopefully
zenith hazel
yep it works
sharp prism
tawny garden
уеу
rugged belfry
Amber is epique
cerulean estuary
🦀 emote suggestions are gone 🦀
river glen
what about to make providence cocoon stars less likely to stack onn top of each other
zenith hazel
they can do that?
dapper coral
i wasn't aware that they did
don't they all move at the same velocity/acceleration
and they're patterned now so they shouldn't overlap at all during spawning
whole sedge
Yeah I've never seen them overlap?
zenith hazel
if it’s even possible then some video evidence would be nice
ashen warren
I wanted to resugg cause it came real close last time.
And it's been a while so I thin it's allowed.
sand umbra
@ashen warren quick thing
OD's dashes aren't actually homing, they're predictive
believe it or not, this is an incredibly important distinction --- a predictive attack simply takes an educated guess as to where the player will be when the attack travels the distance it needs to based on player movement, while a homing attack actively seeks out the player
tawny garden
yeah
I'm pretty sure the OD doesn't have a Line-of-sight beam riding guidance
or an inertial navigation system
worn blaze
<@456226577798135808> quick thing
OD's dashes aren't actually homing, they're pr...
so like brimstone elemental's laser beam?
radiant meadow
I believe brimmy's laser is predictive so yes
ashen warren
change done
river glen
if it’s even possible then some video evidence would be nice
well, they can be very close, thats what i meant and if u get hit by 1 u usually get hit by both since there is so little space apart
i may be incorrect tho
icy stone
hey
any advice about the classes?
my friends picked summoner
i wanna be a mage
its a good combination?
tawny garden
icy stone
sorry
summer sentinel
@gilded crow you should remove the (repost) part of your sugg and if you'd like, bold your title:
Add the earth elemental in the heart of the elements but the latter is optional
tawny garden
(both of those are minor)
gilded crow
thanks
thought it was worth mentioning it's a repost
but the message was from november so idk
crude geode
Hasn’t been a week
@gilded crow
Also, Granite and Cosmic Elemental exist and are classified as elementals. Should we add them as well for that reason?
ashen warren
But are they the same type of elementals?
hot zephyr
Also, Granite and Cosmic Elemental exist and are classified as elementals. Shoul...
Yes
tawny garden
as far as I can tell, the only way for you as an elemental to get into HotE is to have big boobies
or to have had them in the past
ashen warren
Wouldn’t that through off the balance of usefulness of the granite marble balance?
If that makes sense
crude geode
pisscord has been fucking up nicknames and user roles for like a week for me on mobile and it’s annoying the shit out of me
Marble and Granite are just weird in general.
My more pressing issue is that it has been two days since this has been suggested.
@zenith hazel Apologies for the ping, but it has not been a week since the earth elemental summon has been suggested. #suggestions-voting message
It’s currently the latest suggestion in posting
radiant meadow
That only applies if it's the same person.
zenith hazel
but it's still the same idea
radiant meadow
Preventing resuggestions is primarily just to prevent the same person from posting the same thing every day.
zenith hazel
is this not a resuggestion?
crude geode
Especially within like, a three day time span?
grim tusk
Speaking of reposting suggs shouldnt the delay between reposting suggs be longer?
cobalt pewter
It's just a few hours before a week passes
Granted the sugg will be out a few hours earlier, but still technically a week when it goes to voting
grim tusk
5 days aint a week but whatever
cobalt pewter
Wait w
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
16 + 7 is 23 no
cobalt pewter
grim tusk
Done
cobalt pewter
Just use auto date and time smh
grim tusk
Yea i disabled it for some godamn reason
tawny garden
NTP™️
grim tusk
Its back on
grim tusk
today is the 23rd
nd for me
grim tusk
7:00 pm with me
grim tusk
~~it's 4 am~~
Go to sleep or smth
zenith hazel
anyway
while the suggestion is not 100% invalid, a similar idea has already been posted 2 days ago, so I'm just gonna put a ! on your suggestion
you may wait for about 5 days if you'd like to resuggest it @gilded crow
crystal iron
My sugg is a repost, inspired by the previous sugg
grim tusk
grim tusk
Idea to make Cal more similar to Scal:
Change lasers to smaller brimstone blasts and making Cataclysm shoot smaller and weaker brimstone skulls instead
grim tusk
Idea to make Cal more similar to Scal:
Change lasers to smaller brimstone blasts...
There fight doesnt change but its more similar to scal
unreal viper
Bring back defense you cowards
unreal viper
@crystal iron I think your sugg would bd improved if you decided to focus on either calamitas or the whole fight, and if you cleared up your grammar.
grim tusk
Also maybe returing some defense but like 20-30 def, as the amount it had before it got removed was just broken
unreal viper
No need really
brittle nexus
do you know how useless 10-15 defense is pml
unreal viper
Dark sun ring nerf
brittle nexus
the old amount was hardly useful except for complete facetank builds
unreal viper
grim tusk
Also yea with new defense damage 60 defense would prob be fine
brittle nexus
you got a gargantuan hitbox and a lil bit more defense
hot zephyr
I mean... Calclone has as much in common with Retinazer as DS has to EoW
unreal viper
Not sure what you mean by that.
unreal viper
I mean... Calclone has as much in common with Retinazer as DS has to EoW
Can you please explain what you mean?
hot zephyr
I'm saying that the biggest similarity the bosses have in common to their vanilla counterparts are their shape 
Calling calclone just "a twins clone" understates the difference between the bosses.
crystal iron
I personally see no/ very little difference between the two
cobalt pewter
Isn't cal clone essentially a fairer Retinazer with an upgraded laser type?
unreal viper
There are diffences, but not nearly enough.
unreal viper
Cal clone is similar to ret but with splitting lazers and some predictive dashes.
hot zephyr
As well as summoning minions, having more phases, etc.
cobalt pewter
Her dashes are laughably easy of you know what you're doing tbh
pine star
If Reti is a 201 sub, Calclone is a 205 sub
crystal iron
As well as summoning minions, having more phases, etc.
The minions are also twins, so that doesn't exactly count I don't think
hot zephyr
Not really
crystal iron
I mean
unreal viper
She does have those soul seekers ig, but I don’t really find them fun and significant.
crystal iron
Catastrophe, as explained in a. Previous sugg is just spazmatizm, cataclysm is the only thing that's slightly original
hot zephyr
You've got them mixed up
Cataclysm shoots flames, Catastrophe fires bouncing brimstone fireballs
unreal viper
Cataclysm is pretty much spasmitism last I checked. Catastrophe has those bouncing balls
cobalt pewter
Yeah
unreal viper
Plus dashes that seem like twins dashes
golden narwhal
Tbf clone feels like the only cal boss that hasn't had an update to her core moveset for a while (or at least idr a time she had a different non-twins moveset)
hot zephyr
I'd reword your suggestion to be something more like "Give Clam Clone new attacks" or somethin' like that
Also put more care into things like wording, grammar, etc
vocal grotto
The original premise many years back basically boiled down to Triplets but Edgy iirc
Certain parts of that still reflect now in that regard, even through the polish
unreal viper
I'd reword your suggestion to be something more like "Give Clam Clone new attack...
Personally, I feel like more than just new attacks are needed.
hot zephyr
Elaborate
golden narwhal
The original premise many years back basically boiled down to Triplets but Edgy ...
Yea, rn it defo looks fundamentally the same as it was when she was supposed to be a twins clone
unreal viper
The attacks it currently has are too similar to twins.
Adding on a faulty base is a poor idea, first the base should be changed to something better before building.
vocal grotto
If I'm being brutally honest, I don't see a sugg calling for a full rework/sweeping changes not sitting in limbo
cobalt pewter
You need to talk to Fab directly for that, so even if Dom listened, he probably can't do much
Idk
unreal viper
If I'm being brutally honest, I don't see a sugg calling for a full rework/sweep...
Yeah, probably will be it’s fate
As is the fate of many Suggs, even successful ones
cobalt pewter
Approval limbo
unreal viper
So basically the best chance of a calamitas rework happening is to convince fab.
vocal grotto
Yes.
zenith hazel
good luck
unreal viper
Thank you, I will need it if I wanna try it.
hot zephyr
tbh I think calclone is fine as is
river glen
what about a request to make vanilla mounts faster
most of them are useless
or outclassed
in every single way shape or form besides unicorn
or are general very poor movement wise
like fuzzy carrot is annoying to get when u can just beat up some goblins and get lighting boots
zenith hazel
that doesn’t sound half-bad
river glen
like i can list every single one
they can either use a) speed buff
b) jump buff so their mobility isnt direct crap
or both
zenith hazel
you can just say buff the useless vanilla mounts and list some examples
river glen
did i write it correctly
zenith hazel
I mean I guess that's good
zenith hazel
dark mage mount? idk
radiant meadow
okay but you can't suggest to buff a 1.4 mount
zenith hazel
yea it is a dark mage drop
river glen
i thought it was a 1.3 mount
radiant meadow
or did you cherry pick off vanilla wiki?
cobalt pewter
Cute Fishron got a buff in 1.4
Heard Scutlix is too, but idk what buff
Isn't basilisk just armored unicorn
river glen
tsusnami got nerfed in 1.4 why did it get nerfed in calamity
zenith hazel
do people actually farm for basilisk though?
river glen
do people actually farm for basilisk though?
just go for unicorn then
cobalt pewter
Probably not, since unicorn is easier maybe
radiant meadow
basilisk is very similar to unicorn. It has a lower velocity required to ram and a lower max velocity.
Basilisk isn't super hard to get.
river glen
hallow farming isnt hard to
unicorn is just better
since it can kite booses
a lot
radiant meadow
How do you propose buffing basilisk?
without making it the exact same as the unicorn and keeping it balanced
cobalt pewter
I personally would just buff the item drop for basilisk if possible, since you have less reason to explore desert / ug desert in hm compared to Hallow
river glen
How do you propose buffing basilisk?
make the dash stronger
radiant meadow
dash?
river glen
or give defense during the dash
i mean
when it can ram
when it gains the baility to ram just give some def
and plus
most calam bosses just hover away from u
radiant meadow
and exactly how are you supposed to buff the bunny mount?
river glen
so just givivnng defense will be fine i guess
radiant meadow
It already runs faster than frostspark boots
river glen
speed/jump height
soo?
u can just dash
vertical movement is generally better than horizontal
radiant meadow
also turtle is just garbage in vanilla too, I highly doubt that could be buffed into usability without giving the turtle flight, lasers, and increased defense
radiant meadow
not to mention it's locked behind fishing rng
river glen
idk im not a balancing of calam
radiant meadow
Fuzzy Carrot is at least guaranteed on 5th angler quest
river glen
yes, but u gotta fish
and i can just get frog let from fishing, and have a good vertical movement
cobalt pewter
Giving the player separate DR while riding turtle should be good iirc, kinda like angery dog
Especially since it moves stupid slow unless water
radiant meadow
Turtle basically takes Cute Fishron's problems and turns them up to the max.
river glen
bruh, i am gonna do an only mount playthrough and im gonna shove my world with water
cobalt pewter
Fuck me
river glen
Fuck it
im not farming
golden crates
for this shit
what about giving a chance for calamitias herself to drop the brothers weapons
im not going to go searching around the world to know where i killed them
cobalt pewter
With this logic, we should also remove halibut
heady storm
"Joke item."
I wonder why it does not fit in the mod normally.
crystal iron
I don't think this Sugg would even get 100 stars anyway
hot zephyr
also 
is so rare it's not that big of a deal
crystal iron
Since it's a remove Sugg
rugged belfry
lul is an icon and is meant to be an easter egg.
icon as in
iconic
not as in a symbol
heady storm
@supple lodge A 'joke' is not meant to blend in with the mod etc..
And apparently Fabsol has personal use with it.
supple lodge
I was not aware of that
heady storm
Joke items are also intentionally 'broken'.
worn blaze
my life is a joke item
unreal viper
If you wanna be invincible endgame be my guest
mighty knot
if you want lul nerfed, ask for halibut cannon nerfed first. much more of a problem if you're worried about joke items breaking the mod
grim tusk
since it can kite booses
🧀 bosses*
fossil finch
Nerf burden breaker that has no practical porpoise smh
grim tusk
Joke items are also *intentionally* 'broken'.
And so is drat (but dont get hit lul)
violet dagger
saying burden breaker has no purpose is wrong
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message
Cute fishron is op, it doesnt need more buffs
violet dagger
I use it a lot to get places quick
grim tusk
rugged belfry
I need to set up teleporters
fossil finch
I just use mounted magic mirrors lol
cobalt pewter
Cute Fishron got a buff in 1.4 ye
You can get water effects during rain and at half health (?)
fossil finch
Half a health is 1.3 thing iirc
cobalt pewter
Ah
sand umbra
half health is a pre-1.4 thing yeah
cobalt pewter
So only rain in 1.4
sand umbra
oh you can still get it at half health in 1.4
but you can then also abuse rain-causing items for the boost for free
you don't even need to put in the work to use its underwater boost anymore it's pointless
pine star
torrential tear
cobalt pewter
Indeed
ashen warren
Did anything on my suggestion come up?
dreamy drift
^
civic notch
🤷♂️
mint orchid
mhm
civic notch
Best to just suggest it and be content with that
hollow shell
@mint orchid Can you not right-click their buffs to remove them?
safe oasis
you probably could but just try searching for your adrenaline buff in the middle of your mountain of other buffs before adrenaline runs out
all that while also being forced to not pay attention to the fight so you can search for the buff
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
@kindred creek 1. inventory slot =/= accessory slot
2. no
earnest cape
was about to say
hollow shell
It'd be very difficult for us to add another accessory slot, cuz the one we currently "add" was actually lying unused in Terraria's code, and would later be used for 1.4's Master Mode
kindred creek
oh, so this falls into the cataory of giving you guys a lot of work?
hollow shell
(Also, why add one at the very end of the game, when there's nothing left to do?)
Yeah
kindred creek
ok, i'll delete it
earnest cape
so wait will the celestial onion even work in 1.4
unless you recode the entire thing
kindred creek
i thought tModloader was frozen in 1.3
hollow shell
If you're playing Master, it'll very likely just do nothing when used.
earnest cape
well then
hollow shell
And yeah it is for the time being, but the porting process is ongoing
We'll get tMod 1.4 eventually
earnest cape
funny redcode™️ moment
hollow shell
The prejudice in our society.
robust lava
Feel like that one’s not actually a Redcode moment - it’s not his fault that Calamity kinda hijacked the unused slot
Byeah, that doesn’t justify the 400 other instances of funny Redcode making no sense
tired haven
I mean, the fact that 7 slots are practically hardcoded IS the fault
Mods simply cannot add their own slots without some bizarre coding
hence why the unused 7th slot had been so popular
robust lava
Back when Red was the lead programmer on Terraria I don't think he'd have exactly been thinking much about its future proofing for mods
tawny garden
You'd prolly need to do a lot of IL to increase the cap
And then code the UI element in
Unless tML folks do this stuff for us and allow extra slots
sleek hornet
what's the requirement for reposting suggestion?
hollow shell
One week has passed since the original posting, and the previous suggestion failed to reach the requirement.
sleek hornet
allright
earnest cape
I'm tempted to repost my dragonfolly sugg again
tawny garden
inb4 it turns into peepoweird 2 electric boogaloo
earnest cape
kindred creek
wait, what do they mean by requirment?
if a sugestion gets enough votes does it get added?
hollow shell
Yeah it gets sent to the devs for them to officially consider it.
They can accept or reject it once they receive it
Accepting it doesn't meant they are guaranteed to implement it but it does mean they like the idea, and could implement it
tawny garden
👍 basically means "we like your sugg"
kindred creek
what is the requirment?
tawny garden
200
earnest cape
200 stars
hollow shell
Yeah
earnest cape
are suggestions sent prior also sent to dev server
earnest cape
uh like
hollow shell
Bluechecks?
earnest cape
yeah yeah that
hollow shell
Suggestions that get bluechecked are not directly sent to the dev server, no
tawny garden
bluechecks aren't sent over
earnest cape
ah alright
hollow shell
They just cause the original suggestion to be marked as highly suggested, once the bluechecked sugg reaches 200
earnest cape
what happens next?
tawny garden
turns out there's also "very highly suggested"
hollow shell
It just allows the devs to see what's in demand
They're added as text in Discord messages, so they can be searched for
So devs can look through all the suggs that have been marked as highly suggested, if they want ideas for what people want changed
earnest cape
alright, thanks
hollow shell
👍
ashen warren
Make murasama actually a way to obtain. Getting a 500k dps sword right after Yharon kind of ruins the fun
cobalt pewter
?
marble hazel
what?
ashen warren
Don't you like... just obtain Murasama without any actual merits (taking the scene without any context) in MGR?
marble hazel
Wait why r we talking bout mgr here
ashen warren
makes sense obtain Murasama after defeating the dragon of Yharim.
marble hazel
ye feedzuh
ashen warren
Wait why r we talking bout mgr here
Murasama is a direct reference to mgr
ashen warren
I think a dog gave Raiden the sword iirc, idk I never played MGR
It's given by a dog, yeah
marble hazel
im p sure in caltamie u just get ja fox drive so u can use murasama
So what change should be made?
cobalt pewter
Idk
marble hazel
in the end u get a strong sword before the final boss
cobalt pewter
I'm confused either
marble hazel
same
cobalt pewter
in the end u get a strong sword before the final boss
Pre Yharim Murasama 
ashen warren
Also, you literally defeats YHARIM'S dragon to unlock Murasama's power
cobalt pewter
Especially since Yharim is somewhat planned to have the similar feel as Armstrong
In terms of fight
ashen warren
So, it isn't just "haha get a half million dps sword"
cobalt pewter
Spamclick Murasama has been fixed ye
cobalt pewter
Not sure if "cute" is what I'd use to describe a balancing idea
But I can get behind the sugg overall
low hedge
can I use it to describe you
cobalt pewter
river glen
what about making hearts scale with hp
sleek turret
hmm
river glen
max hp*
tawny garden
isn't Iron Heart changed
cobalt pewter
Health pickup healing a % of max health?
sleek turret
the sugg is fine.
tawny garden
next update
sleek turret
Iron Heart (function) got reworked.
cobalt pewter
All I know about IH is that it will take Defiled's place in the indicator next update
sleek turret
Now it doesn't say "fuck you" and makes you player Hardcore each time you die to a boss.
tawny garden
if it's reworked, it is best to save the sugg for later
sleek turret
iirc it alredy got reworked on R&D. (?)
tawny garden
tawny garden
ignore me
cobalt pewter
Now it's limited hits
cobalt pewter
SMH
sleek turret
actually good sugg
sleek turret
perphaps when IH got reworked the first days of it projectiles were dealing roughly 95%~ of your max HP
tawny garden
low hedge
now that I got that out of the way gonna go suggest :vore: brb
cobalt pewter
river glen
@cobalt pewter what baout player DoT
we know how bad it is since they dont usually change anything
cobalt pewter
The player's HP barely reaches 1000 in a run unless they work for it
Or Blood Pact
But debuffs work just fine on the player, depending on design
civic notch
Yeah DoT then just functions as a source of consistent damage
cobalt pewter
Consistent, but never worth the time
You'll always go for more overall DPS than caring about on tier debuffs unless it reduces enemy def or DR
civic notch
Yeah that’s the main problem
DoT is just conceptually flawed
Within terraria mechanics
river glen
The player's HP barely reaches 1000 in a run unless they work for it
i meant enemy DOT
cobalt pewter
It's fine
In any case yeah
That's the sugg is about
DoT debuffs that are applied onto enemies
river glen
DoT is weak
the only good one
is the abyss emblem i think its called pre HM
since its a lot of dps early
cobalt pewter
Crush Depth yea
pine star
Crush Depth is also probably the most interesting of the DoTs
cobalt pewter
mmh
crude geode
”I don’t like my op funny weapon being nerfed >:(“
tawny garden
"a lot of people dislike" isn't really a valid reason
Unless you spend a year gathering statistics
crude geode
A generous amount of vanilla tweaks are done for balance purposes, or just to generally be helpful to the player. If you don’t like the helpful bits, don’t use those features. @obtuse glacier
crude geode
Mhm
I feel like we’ve had a influx of ding dong ditchers tbh.
Also, if you don’t like things being changed from normal...why are you playing a mod?
civic notch
Me when stormbow can’t solo duke fishron anymore
crude geode
mhm
crystal iron
Don't play revengance, most/some of the tweaks depend on revengance/death being active
For now at least
Oh ye, I don't even think they have pierce resistance, and I don't think calamitas is invincible in the soul seeker phase, making them even more irrelevant
dapper coral
scal is invincible during soul seeker phase, but not clone iirc
crude geode
Yeah clone isn’t
cobalt pewter
I think tom had an idea for seeker replacement a while back
crude geode
Thomas had an idea for a replacement for a badly designed thing in the mod? Imagine.
knotty moat
is it just me or does it seem like the vanilla tweak suggestion is for people that want to play a large mod as a small mod
like calamitys whole thing is the tweaks on top of everythung else
crystal iron
Btw, isn't the vanilla tweak Sugg a don't, cuz reverting things back to how they were is a don't I think,
eternal escarp
calamity's whole thing is the content
tawny garden
Btw, isn't the vanilla tweak Sugg a don't, cuz reverting things back to how they...
it doesn't ask for a revert
eternal escarp
also, its to ask for a toggle, so maybe? idk
tawny garden
no
knotty moat
its like sayinf i want to play expert but without the boss ai changes
eternal escarp
just the option to
crystal iron
it doesn't ask for a revert
Oh I kind of interpreted it as that
eternal escarp
i mean
i really dont see what vanilla tweaks in calamity are bad for the average player other then muh stormbow cant 1v1 feesh
knotty moat
like i play ranger and i still use stormbow, i just dont use it as a crutch now that its not op
like every difficulty mod nerfs stormbow, fargos does it
eternal escarp
dont think the comparison helps the case really
but it is done to make the weapon not overpowered, and to make the game more balanced
crude geode
Like realistically the suggestion is bad cuz it doesn’t explain why they want every vanilla tweak to be toggleable, or why calamity should even do it.
eternal escarp
we dont talk about funny pierce
yeah thats also a problem
it just says "alot of people dislike this, do it"
crude geode
also it’s a ding dong ditch suggestion so 
eternal escarp
:kill:
crude geode
@summer sentinel Can you exclaim the vanilla tweak toggle suggestion? Has been pinged with criticism, such as “why” and “most vanilla tweaks are for balance or ease of convenience”
summer sentinel
I won't exclaim it as I'll wait for them to reply but im not sure waht they mean by "tweaks"
tawny garden
though having a better reason would help
eternal escarp
prolly like
the nerfs and buffs to vanilla items, or vanilla changes stuff as a whole?
summer sentinel
So long as they explain the tweaks then it'd valid, right now it's on the edge because vanilal tweaks is quite broad
Calamity undoes a lot of vanilla tweaks and rebalances/removes them due to vanilla's instability with cal stuff (as in unfairly good)
like, for example, consider soaring insignia getting a big nerf once 1.4 tml exists
cobalt pewter
There's not much of a strong reasoning in the sugg imo
crude geode
mhm
cobalt pewter
And mans been ditching for a while now byeah
eternal escarp
like, for example, consider soaring insignia getting a big nerf once 1.4 tml exi...
thankfully
byeah
summer sentinel
It's a little hard to explain but like, vanilla itself isn't "smart strong" but "dumb strong", since just looking at soaring insignia mainly, spectre armor changes, so on
eternal escarp
yeah, i think i understand what you mean
summer sentinel
Hell even some vanilla weps still are quite cal boss viable as we intend it to be, like blizzard staff and razorpine
crude geode
Indeed
eternal escarp
daedalus, phantasm ect yeah
tawny garden
some aren't tho
cobalt pewter
Hell even some vanilla weps still are quite cal boss viable as we intend it to b...
Prime combo for levi nohit
tawny garden
at least last I played
cobalt pewter
And mage is generally stupid good around post cal/plant
eternal escarp
some aren't tho
im assuming the reason is "not everything has to be vanilla"?
tawny garden
or it's just too hard to balance
crude geode
Indeed, vanilla weapons are oftentimes outclassed.
cobalt pewter
Also unrelated to convo, but the seekers rework concept I said earlier
eternal escarp
huh
tawny garden
distant gyro
the biggest offender of clone cal is still the life seekers you don't even remember that they exist
crude geode
the biggest offender of calamity bosses is the [insert summon that dies instantly] you don’t even remember that they exist
ftfy
distant gyro
crab shrooms die instantly but you remember their existence
cobalt pewter
The only impactful cal servant in my experience is like, Draconic Swarmers in Folly fight, since it directly affects the ability for the boss to do a specific attack, and the minions aren't laughably easy to kill too
crude geode
What about Dark Energies
distant gyro
crabulon and hive mind servants are impactful enough
cobalt pewter
Oh wait yeah, I always considered them as part of the boss' actual attacks
distant gyro
dark energies are basically integral to the fight, not really a servant
it's as much of a phase as the creepers in boc
crude geode
Yeah that ^
eternal escarp
ravager's everything
crude geode
it’s like calling skeletron prime’s arms servants
distant gyro
2: old duke's balls are so impactful they accelerated on the annoying scale 
cobalt pewter
Otherwise I don't see the reason for Aberrations or Paraseas to exist
crude geode
old Duke balls can barely be considered servants
cobalt pewter
Or Detonating Flames
eternal escarp
drones from destroyer also count ig?
cobalt pewter
They're like a swarm of mosquitoes
crude geode
probes are noticeable but badly designed Bc vanilla says take damage now
distant gyro
OD balls are basically advanced projectiles but they count imo
crude geode
Ehhhhh
crude geode
where is this going
eternal escarp
no idea anymore
cobalt pewter
Sharkrons are dumb too
Though particularly because of their funny cheap hits on Cthulhunadoes
crude geode
Sharkrons are indeed glorified projectiles
cobalt pewter
Even tho the nado themselves don't do dmg briefly
The sharkrons do
Might be changed in 1.5
crude geode
Why would you even be on the ground during Duke Fishron’s fight
eternal escarp
i think they just gave them health so you can kill them but not instantly like vile spits
..which is stupid because you kill them in like 3 shots most of the time
(atleast i did with blight spewer, idk)
crude geode
the problem with all glorified projectiles
crude geode
It is kinda weird that all 3 voice chats all have the same max numbers.
tawny garden
all voice channels are equal
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
also Ian, your sugg is kinda specific with those numbers
crude geode
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
Ok French boomer
hot zephyr
~~also Ian, your sugg is kinda specific with those numbers~~ <:HyperFailure:4718...
Does it really matter thaaaat much? It's not like we're balancing weapons or making a SIS
river glen
so close, my suggestion is so close to 200
violet dagger
sadcat is sad
tawny garden
isnt this kinda suggestion advertising
ye
worthy lintel
this is not advertising i swear
tawny garden
tawny garden
native advertising
worthy lintel
god i want voodoo dolls to stack so bad
tawny garden
and at that time it wasn't really calamity's job
tawny garden
hold up brav said no on this one?
brav was the one who placed the reaction
he is simply the messenger
it got more ❎s than ✅s ig
worthy lintel
traumatized moment
tawny garden
you can still search for it
summer sentinel
wow it's 200 I wonder who did that
tawny garden
crude geode
isn’t this literally a don’t
summer sentinel
I genuinely approve of that idea because I rather not be in hell, and have my inventory fill up with 20 slots of 1 voodoo doll
yes I was just about to say- avoid advertising your sugg even if it's close, it's a bit unfair to others
summer sentinel
wouldn't be the first time, or the last time
worthy lintel
(entirely worth it)
tawny garden
I think they paid too much
worthy lintel
btw how far does the advertisement rule extends to
i guess it also applies to advertising others suggs but i want to be sure
worthy lintel
summer sentinel
if you mention a sugg to talk about it, that's okay, but if you mention a sugg besides that, can be seen as advertising
crude geode
Like “man, this is so close to 200, if only someone would vote for it 👀 “
summer sentinel
it's to make this channel as relevant as can be to talking about suggs, if talking about it ends up getting votes, that's inevitable
mint orchid
traumatized moment
Guide voodoo dolls stacking to 20 would succk
tawny garden
why
mint orchid
What if you throw all 20 in
tawny garden
then you're an idiot
worthy lintel
by default the throw button only throws 1 item
tawny garden
worthy lintel
not the whole stack
mint orchid
Oooooooooh
worthy lintel
when you press T by default it throws a single unit
what makes you throw the whole stack is dragging with the mouse and drop it outside of inv
tawny garden
in any case, if you throw all 20 out, it's not a big deal because you'll get these 20 voodoo dolls back in the next 5 minutes
tawny garden
next update
mint orchid
Ok I voted for it
marble hazel
Everyone hangs out at vc 1 (bad ending)
dont really see the problem with 20 vc cap
Most of the time people just just crowd up in 1 vc
and then the other two have less than 5 people in them
Which is lower than 10 or 15
brittle nexus
it's worse when half the vc is talking about one thing and the other half is talking about another
and there's 2 empty vc's
marble hazel
Yeah but i assume ya cant really change that since like, everyone wanna hang out with fabsole, lowering the vc cap will still present the same problem, albeit in a much smaller scale, and you’re also excluding people who actually want to talk about the same thingn because other people maanged to hop in first (siad other people talk about other thing)
cobalt pewter
Yeah a reason why I mostly do deafen on thicc vc, because it gets hectic quickly
marble hazel
the best thing u can really do about that is to enforce a rule or smth to move other people if they r talking about smth else