suggestions-discussion

[hot zephyr]

But yes

[cobalt pewter]

And yeah, Crystal Dart

[hot zephyr]

Crystal Dart 2.0 I guess

[proper grail]

Which is exactly what I said

[hot zephyr]

Exactly why I repeated it

[proper grail]

Me with my item attack including a crystal dart paintbrush

[viscid kite]

yes?

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, as me and rover said, resprite happening soon

[viscid kite]

nice

it's just wrong

lemme get a gif

well, try to

well for some reason the english version doesn't hage animated stuff going on

but the russian one does lol

https://terraria-calamity-mod.fandom.com/ru/wiki/Розовый_камень

[sleek hornet]

it isn't the official wiki

[hollow shell]

What's wrong with the animation?

Are you bothered by the boobus?

[earnest cape]

😳

[viscid kite]

no

[cobalt pewter]

H

[viscid kite]

it just has generally weird movements

like the eye

[hollow shell]

aight then you don't need to worry

Resprite's coming

[earnest cape]

are you ceasing the horny rover

[viscid kite]

yeah I was just getting a reference or whatever lol

[cobalt pewter]

I'm p sure brimmy resprite will still have giga sized badonkas

Just no more thighs iirc

[earnest cape]

flooshed

[viscid kite]

nah probably all reduced

it's been downhill since release

wait no

they've been unchanged I think

water elemental got cooler design but small honkers

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure if I should push this to posting yet so here

Allow true melee hits to briefly reduce contact damage.

True melee in Calamity is generally more accessible compared to vanilla, but it isn't by any means truly a viable option. The issue mainly resides on the bosses, be it vanilla or Cal, all of them having contact damage, making getting close and personal harder on top of the projectiles they spit out. Making true melee hits reduce enemy contact damage (perhaps scalable to true melee damage) would make true melee-ing in Calamity a bit more fun and actually a viable melee option.

[viscid kite]

sand elements both got thicker than steel

[hollow shell]

Cloud got better

[viscid kite]

hmmm

[hollow shell]

A lot better

[viscid kite]

yes

oh did it?

[frozen storm]

What the hell is that

[hollow shell]

Used to be nude and have bigger boobus

Now has clothes/armor

Also
That seems a bit extreme Feedzuh

[frozen storm]

Woah really

[viscid kite]

brimstone elemental as a summon accessory

[frozen storm]

She has armor

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed, that's why I'm asking for feedbacks first before jumping into posting

[frozen storm]

?

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure what can be improved from it

[hollow shell]

To apply universally to all true melee weps

[frozen storm]

Brimmy has armor?

[hollow shell]

Cloud, sans.

[cobalt pewter]

Well, technically true melee strikes, as Merk woulda always said

[frozen storm]

Ah

[viscid kite]

In my opinion water elemental is really good, but maybe if it had larger hitboxes for it's projectiles?

they don't hit fast moving targets

at all

[hollow shell]

You could suggest melee be given more means of reducing contact damage

ex. Adding new debuffs for it and applying em to existing weapons, or new dedicated weapons

[viscid kite]

or

maybe make it home a little?

[cobalt pewter]

So just expanding on means of reducing contact damage for true melee in general

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[viscid kite]

it simply cannot hit anything that moves remotely fast

yeah

[hollow shell]

Instead of adding basically a new mechanic

[frozen storm]

HotE Healer is good only

But having like 4 minion is cool

[viscid kite]

maybe contact damage gives invulnerability boost?

[frozen storm]

For one accessory it gives 5 minion slot

[hollow shell]

You could sugg to improve the water ele's proj speed / accuracy
homing or predictive shots or whatnot

[cobalt pewter]

Give true melee ways of reducing contact damage.

True melee in Calamity is generally more accessible compared to vanilla, but it isn't by any means truly a viable option. The issue mainly resides on the bosses, be it vanilla or Cal, all of them having contact damage, making getting close and personal harder on top of the projectiles they spit out. Giving various means of reducing contact damage for true melee (e.g. debuffs) would make true melee-ing in Calamity a bit more fun and actually a viable melee option.

Dis?

[viscid kite]

yeah I got almost everything first time

the only thing I needed to grind a lot for was rose stone

[hollow shell]

Better, Feedzuh.

[frozen storm]

Wait

Dont we have that tanky potion

When hitting with true melee it gives 25% dr

[hollow shell]

What, Titan Scale?

[frozen storm]

Yes

[hollow shell]

Oh hmm

[frozen storm]

And 25 df

[hollow shell]

"Increases defense by 25 and damage reduction by 10% after a true melee strike"

Post-Golem pot

[frozen storm]

Yes

It gives 10% dr not 25%

Btw it is cool

[hollow shell]

I mean Feed could cite that, and Temporal Sadness (Teardrop Cleaver), as examples of what we currently have in the mod regarding this

[frozen storm]

does wet debuff do anyhing?

Slows movement?

[hollow shell]

I don't think it does anything, no.

[summer sentinel]

The debuff is purely visual, it actually does nothing

well it affects cute fishron but other than that no

[frozen storm]

It would be cool if it slows movement(player and npc)

A little bit

[hollow shell]

Slime debuff would be more fitting for that

[cobalt pewter]

Wet can be used to disable fire debuffs and maybe like amplify Electrified dps maybe

[frozen storm]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

Also yeah, titan scale is the only global way of having a defensive bonus on true melee hits iirc, aside from Temporal Sadness, which is a single true melee weapon

[frozen storm]

But Water Pistol actually disables Fire debuff iirc

[hollow shell]

Biome Blade can inflict it too

as long as you're in the mushroom biome

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

Speaking of Biome Blade

Why is Ethereal Extorter so

Messy

It's like it tries to be Biome Blade line but fails miserably

[hollow shell]

Because Ben was having fun

Pretty much the only reason.

[frozen storm]

Why Extorter has so many options

[cobalt pewter]

[frozen storm]

If it will be for every class, it will be popular at post-Golem

[hollow shell]

I'm not sure if the injection's pain is meant to be a drawback

It's a post-Aureus item, the 5 damage isn't effective even when you first get it

[proper grail]

It's literally just a reminder that "hey, bigass needles hurt"

It was never intended to be a punishment

[zealous ridge]

To be blunt, maybe it should...?

not it specifically

Like imagine taking 100 damage every time you used an astral injection

Sounds pretty shitty lmao

isnt injection really, really good

Anyone is allowed to correct me but it just sounds like a super powered mana potion

[distant gyro]

basically infinite mana with mana sickness

[zealous ridge]

how much mana sickness?

[distant gyro]

540 mana over time

should be same as normal mana pots

just over time instead of instant

[zealous ridge]

so that would mean a 25% multiplictative reduction to damage at maximum

and this lowers for every second the debuff is active

[distant gyro]

ok it's halved the duration of normal mana pots

[zealous ridge]

so, that would mean 12.5 less

And it turns out, the buff lasts just long enough to regenerate mana for a time after running out of sickness

so you basically never stack the debuff

It will not become worse than 12.5 theoretically

[hasty moon]

isn't mana sickness a max of 50% less damage?

[zealous ridge]

the advantage of continouos fire at the downside of a slight overall damage nerf sounds pretty good to me

It is a maximum of 50%

but it’s damage nerf scales with the duration of the debuff

[hasty moon]

i know but i thought you meant normal mana potions for the 25% thing

[zealous ridge]

I did

[hasty moon]

oh

[zealous ridge]

because it only fills it for half of the max duration when you drink a normal mana pot

[hasty moon]

oh since injections give a lot more or something?

[zealous ridge]

5 seconds, for 25% less damage

[hasty moon]

wait

[zealous ridge]

injections fill for a quarter of max duration

perhaps I explained something a bit confusingly?

[hasty moon]

i think i get it?

doesn't matter anyways since like you say it's 2.5 seconds not 5

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

Replace "punishments" with "downsides" @cobalt pewter

[zealous ridge]

sorry for any confusion I was unaware of the exact stats

that sounds fine, yeah

[hasty moon]

it's fine

[zealous ridge]

more downsides on astral injection sounds good

right now it’s infinite mana with minor damage decrease

which is kind of Good

I wonder if having the astral injection actually apply a dot would help balance it a bit

or if that would be fucked in other ways

And I’m unsure on ale being specifically included here...?

because I always saw it as something a bit more similar to the drunk princess drinks

But, in all fairness

it works seperately from them, if I’m thinking right

[mint orchid]

Scutlers Jewel is bad

[distant gyro]

Scuttler's should affect daggers

[earnest cape]

what does the jewel affect?

[distant gyro]

javelins

[earnest cape]

only javelins?

thats a bit sad

[distant gyro]

the first ones you get is the scourge of the desert

... then turbulance

[earnest cape]

thats all of prehardmode!

[distant gyro]

javelins phm is too scarce

[earnest cape]

yeah

ill go check the wiki on what they do

[distant gyro]

it's a lingering on hit effect on javelins

pretty simple

[earnest cape]

hmm

how rare do the stuff panw

spawn

english 100

[frozen storm]

Why Dodu's Handcannon cant autofire?

[earnest cape]

use omniswing if it really frustrates you

[cobalt pewter]

More subclass related accs would be epic

[earnest cape]

whip accessories

[cobalt pewter]

h

[gaunt quest]

Yes whip accessories

[hot zephyr]

BDSM time.

[cobalt pewter]

Either way jewel can be treated like Symbiote

In 1.5

So like

[gaunt quest]

If only the idea that was discussed yesterday was not so specific enough I would actually suggest it but sadly it kinda is so rip

That I was apart of lol

[earnest cape]

😉

[sturdy geyser]

no

[cobalt pewter]

I just kinda wanna see more subclass accs that can be used through the run, but relatively niche

Like something stupid I had for rogue bombs is that when a certain acc is equipped, thrown bombs will constantly explode while traveling

[earnest cape]

hallelujah

[frozen storm]

Subclass weapons

Sword that you can swing with Lclick(melee) and yeeting with Rclick(rogue)

[sturdy geyser]

[warm olive]

brimstone sword

[exotic ibex]

ugh why there is still exclamation mark

I didn't get any other feedback about my suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

It's not really "dying", more of Cal's way of saying "fuck man, we be getting too much entries even though we be setting 50 bucks for the price wtf thanks tho"

Honestly, it had a niche vs Skelly if you want true melee, but the fact that they removed the moonwalk is h

Also it's really charge hungry since you lose charge even just by swinging it

And Regarding Tracking Disk, it's best on stealth I recall, though it does love Shark Tooth like what Ben said

I do think every single weapon shouldn't share charge, but from what I inferred from Ian, it's probably just the exact weapon copies sharing charge, not that it'd make as much sense, byeah

god I'm catching up A LOT

[tawny garden]

lol

tbh if people want to carry 10 identical weapons just for the purposes of Charge, let them do it

[cobalt pewter]

Another problem I have with Arsenals in general is that T3 is stupid underused because it's locked behind a boss that's significantly less important than boss unlocks of other tiers

Like

Hive Mind / Perf generally has a decent amount of unlocks, and T1 locked behind there helped a bit

As well as Mechs

Provi are fucking phat in terms of unlocks but that doesn't mean T4 are all that bad

And more stuff to use vs SCal is good, hence T5

T3 is probably the least significant tier, because as I said earlier, it's put behind such less relevant boss that you can totally skip without feeling super crippled

And the fact that PBG is a massive hurdle to most players

On tier at least

God I lashed out a bit

😔

I'd expect no real answer if I would ask how good is T3 Arsenals

because no one fuckin uses it

[tawny garden]

I am fucking useless about new stuff

I haven't played in so damn long

[eternal escarp]

tbh, i do PBG all the time

and the tier 3 weapons are like

[cobalt pewter]

The weapons aren't necessarily bad yes

[tawny garden]

PBG was easy for me last I fought her

[eternal escarp]

dunno, they dont seem as worth it tbh, ive used gauss rifle and system bane and i never really saw them better then the other options

they are good yeah, just i feel like theres better options that arent locked

[cobalt pewter]

Gauss Rifle is kinda inconsistent theming wise, System Bane is pretty cool last time I checked, Gatling Laser is literally just red Laser Machinegun that dies to high def, and Turret might be decent with Valhalla set

lole

[eternal escarp]

yeah thats it tbh

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, exactly why the lock is kinda bad, and honestly, this also kinda goes for most PBG drops as well

[eternal escarp]

while other tiers have mostly pretty viable stuff, this tier has less

[cobalt pewter]

Post-Golem is just relatively fucked up idk why

[eternal escarp]

i mean, PBG isnt really as difficult as people think, but PBG's drops mostly are meh at best

yeah

post golem weapon tiering is just wierd

[tranquil perch]

Buff cultist fight please

[cobalt pewter]

Also cultist is stupid easy that you don't need to bother with these other fodder bosses

When you can go straight to pillar weapons

[tranquil perch]

Yes

That's really

Bruh

[eternal escarp]

the only good stuff from PBG i find is prolly "the hive"

i litterly wanted to find smthn else but i couldnt tbh

i never used the summoner and melee weapons

[cobalt pewter]

The Hive is kinda good, but like, Scorpio is post-Cultist, and you can just kill the boss with like, Snowman Cannon lole

[eternal escarp]

infected armour plating is a PBG material, but imo it just doesnt fit to be locked behind PBG

these are all the locked things

excluding bee keeper and tactical plague engine

[cobalt pewter]

Galvanizing Glaive
Gatling Laser
Gauss Rifle
Pulse Turret Remote
System Bane

I remember everything lole

[tranquil perch]

Cultist is like, a weak ass boss that opens the gate to fragment weapons, and immediately overshadows any other ravager or pbg stuff

[eternal escarp]

cultist is a fun fight, but its pretty easy sadly

[cobalt pewter]

Bee Keeper? You mean Plague Keeper?

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, plague keeper

lol

the rest are locked behind PBG, and those two are post ML

tbh i dont think these should be post PBG at all

[tranquil perch]

What if pbg dropped iron

[eternal escarp]

byeah

the material makes sense thematically

but it just doesnt work to lock items behind an optional boss

its not the items are her straight drops, its a pretty big weapon tier that is locked

[tranquil perch]

BoC is technically optional

[eternal escarp]

and i mean optional as complete optional, not low%

lmao knew youd say that

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

byeah

[tawny garden]

tbh practically every boss is optional

[cobalt pewter]

hence low%

[tranquil perch]

Non linearity moment

[cobalt pewter]

Only like

11

[eternal escarp]

stop ruining my point smh

[cobalt pewter]

Is needed

[eternal escarp]

byeah

[tranquil perch]

So then 75% of bosses are not touched on low%

[eternal escarp]

i dont think most of these deserve to be locked behind PBG, since lets be honest, if they werent locked people might have actually DONE PBG without crying that she is too hard, because they would have more options

but the plaguebringer set is a donator set, so idk if you can even move it

[tawny garden]

everything up to WoF is optional 🤫

[cobalt pewter]

You can ask the donor

[eternal escarp]

ig

[tranquil perch]

You can make it drop from pbg directly

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

tbh this set just looks great for PBG itself, its not that much overpowered

3 minions, reduced plague damage

30%(?) minion damage

and a dash

[tranquil perch]

What deals more damage against inorganic enemies again?

[cobalt pewter]

iirc either plasma or electricity

[tranquil perch]

From that set

[cobalt pewter]

A sec

[eternal escarp]

no idea, im just reading ingame tooltip since im lazy

[tranquil perch]

[eternal escarp]

byeah, litterly everything here doesnt seem to be needed to be locked behind PBG imo

armoured plating can stay, but i think maybe make plague bringers drop it aswell in way lower quantities, like a cnidrion?

[cobalt pewter]

gauss (yellow, magnetic)
electricity (blue, organic damage)
laser (red, less damage vs high def)
pulse (purple, inorganic damage)
plasma (green, more damage vs high def)

[eternal escarp]

huh thats a cool chart

[cobalt pewter]

mhm

[eternal escarp]

the plating is the only non bar item to craft with, intriguing

byeah, i think locking the material behind PBG isnt smart

[tranquil perch]

Plagued iron bar when

[eternal escarp]

when these weapons can help players actually do PBG

none of these seem that OP, and they can be nerfed maybe?

[cobalt pewter]

But to answer this, pulse ones (purple)

[tawny garden]

That chart is a few months old

[eternal escarp]

well dunno bout this weapon

[cobalt pewter]

So on T3 it'd be Pulse Turret Remote

[eternal escarp]

but excluding this one sword

i think everything can be pushed to post golem pre PBG and still be great

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah that one's weird

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, that's not irrelevant byech

[eternal escarp]

doesnt make sense to use plating and not unholy cores, but maybe its just to make it a post golem item without using wierdly themed beetle husks

i mean, u could use husks for the tier 3, but i think platings work better thematically, and making them drop in way lesser quantities from plague bringers would be beneficial for the tier, players who actually do have a hard time trying PBG, and beneficial for this material not to become bloat in the future

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, Life Alloy technically exists

[eternal escarp]

they are already used in the tier

[cobalt pewter]

Unless you'd do funne Rav pre Golem

[eternal escarp]

so idk

[eternal escarp]

hahahahahhhahhhaahh low% kekws

byeah

no idea if this idea is even great, since it might require quite a bit of testing with these weapons, and asking the donor to make this armour pre-PBG

which is quite alot of work tbh

i think

[tranquil perch]

It'd become the same thing of cnidrion- desert scourge victide awkwardness

[eternal escarp]

i mean, yeah it would

but i just think that it should even be locked behind PBG

unlike victide which feels like a mega cheese

[cobalt pewter]

Or just make the material, idk, drop from Plaguebringers maybe

Kinda like the whole Folly situation

[eternal escarp]

thats what i said feed

[cobalt pewter]

oh ye

[eternal escarp]

[tranquil perch]

Yea, thats what ||s||he said

[eternal escarp]

tfw the joke is cringe since im male tbh

[tranquil perch]

Its why i put s in spoiler tag

[eternal escarp]

which is why the joke is cringe
Anyways

[tranquil perch]

[eternal escarp]

im out of any more stuff about the armour plating situation tbh

so suggest if you like ig, it just seems like all to much work but imo its for the better

i wont suggest cuz english bad and im bad when it comes to explaining shit as a whole

[unique kite]

honestly just make ale a fuckin buff, it's just melee speed

[tranquil perch]

Speaking of which

Fabsol's vodka doesn't give melee speed does it

[unique kite]

no

[tranquil perch]

[unique kite]

damage buff

[sand umbra]

if Infected Armor Plating were moved pre-PBG it'd defeat the point

the entire reason the mat exists is so that PBG can unlock actual stuff through crafting

it wasn't a good idea when it was done with Dragonfolly and Effulgent Feathers, and it isn't a good idea to do it again here especially since this time another material exists already to take such a place

"but nonlinearity"
I have said this before and I will say it again, nonlinearity or the delusion of it should never come at the expense of the integrity of the game's progression scheme or make things pointless

pre-PBG Infected Armor Plating already exists. the material is called Plague Cell Canisters and they drop from fucking everything

there is no necessity to have two plague materials that are both pre-PBG whatsoever, hence why IAP being pre-PBG would defeat the point and just contribute to material bloat

[eternal escarp]

the last message did make me think more, yeah

that is completely fair, all the point youve handed

[cobalt pewter]

My main concern is T3 Arsenal tbh

[eternal escarp]

^

[cobalt pewter]

Idc about the material

But T3 is like

Quite underused compared to other Arsenal tiers

[eternal escarp]

i still think those atleast, just those should be before PBG, i do agree now that making the plating pre PBG is a worse idea then i thoiught it was

[sand umbra]

(the problem with this is that there's basically nothing else that IAP actually crafts on-tier)

[eternal escarp]

(well, it has the armour and thats it, yeah)

[cobalt pewter]

That and Oathblade thing iirc

[sand umbra]

(the rest is just Plaguebringer armor + True Forbidden Oathblade and that is it)

[eternal escarp]

(and the sword thing, but it feels wierd)

[shell lodge]

is this the channel for suggestions like new updates and stuff?

[eternal escarp]

not for new updates, per say

more like small suggestions / feedback for the mod

[cobalt pewter]

Technically yes, make sure to read the doc in pins first before trying to suggest anything

[eternal escarp]

^

that should answer your questions yeah

[shell lodge]

i wish that they made the offensive minion of profaned soul artifact spawn with any post-moon lord armor..

[eternal escarp]

here we just discuss about suggestions

[shell lodge]

since for summoner it's kind of a core item and your armor will always be stardust past moon lord

and the offensive minion doesn't spawn with stardust armor, it's rly sad..

[sand umbra]

(because Stardust armor is pre-Provi)

[shell lodge]

you lose some healing, 1 minion slot, 10 or 15% summoner damage

[eternal escarp]

i mean, after prov youd get tarragon anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Does PSA spawn if you use any piece or is it locked to armor sets?

[shell lodge]

yeah but then why is the psa in the guide for classes on the wiki if you can't make the most out of it?..

[sand umbra]

(there's a very nice post-Provi summon armor that you can use, which is perfect given that Profaned Soul Artifact is also post-Provi)

but you can

[shell lodge]

which would be?

[sand umbra]

Tarragon armor

[shell lodge]

you get no minion damage from it

and +3 slots

while stardust has +5 slots and +66% minion damage

and i'd like to spawn the offensive minion with stardust armor, so i could make the most out of my summoner

[sand umbra]

set bonus moment

[shell lodge]

but yeah it's impossible, and it's kind of sad..

[eternal escarp]

wdym, its impossible? what is impossible?

[shell lodge]

wait is it the set bonus or just the helm?

[cobalt pewter]

set bonus

[sand umbra]

that's the summon set bonus

[shell lodge]

sad..

[eternal escarp]

thats the set bonus with the helm

[distant gyro]

tarragon actually has 71% damage

[exotic ibex]

#suggestions-posting message
ugh guys
what's wrong about it

[shell lodge]

rly?

[distant gyro]

mmm yes no minion damage at all

[shell lodge]

wdym, don't you need the full taragon armor?

[sand umbra]

well yes

[distant gyro]

10 (breastplate)
6 (legs)
55 (set bonus)

[shell lodge]

but if it's just damage, isn't it basically the same thing?

[eternal escarp]

you do, but u need the helm specifically for this exact bonus

[sand umbra]

that's why you make the full set with the summon helmet specifically

[eternal escarp]

^

[shell lodge]

wdym by summon helmet

isn't it just tarragon armor? like, are there multiple helmets?

[eternal escarp]

you know tarragon has 5 helmets, right?

yeah

[shell lodge]

lool, ok

[eternal escarp]

summoner helmet gives you the summoner set bonus

[sand umbra]

yeah most armors in Calamity have 5 different hats, each one for a certain class

[shell lodge]

so does tarragon with psa beat stardust with psa?

[sand umbra]

well yes

because Tarragon can spawn PSA

[shell lodge]

nice, didn't know that, just beat providence today :D

[sand umbra]

[distant gyro]

every armor in the auric series has 5 helms

[shell lodge]

yeah that's true but

is it tested?

do you get higher dps?

[eternal escarp]

did you test your theory before?
you should try testing stuff before you do

[sand umbra]

either way [[Tarragon armor]] is pretty cool and you should try it out

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Tarragon_armor

[shell lodge]

yeah but i can't test it since i'm playing with friends and we're not cheating :P

[eternal escarp]

single player?

[shell lodge]

?

we're 4 playing the calamity mod idk

:))

[eternal escarp]

do another world & character on single player

and test it there

[shell lodge]

oh

[distant gyro]

come to your own conclusion because tarragon aura has a lot more potential than stardust "do nothing" guardian

[shell lodge]

but the +71% damage from tarragon

[distant gyro]

[eternal escarp]

aight ill test it now

brb

[shell lodge]

is it more than 66% minion damage from stardust?

like

[eternal escarp]

71 > 66

obv

[shell lodge]

71% damage is the same as minion damage

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Still a cheap aura regardless

[shell lodge]

yeah but i meant if it's the same xD

[shell lodge]

oh that's also true, + psa that would be good

[cobalt pewter]

Stardust doesn't have a set bonus

[eternal escarp]

it is, minion damage is only for minion damage weapons, and regular damage is for everything afaik

[cobalt pewter]

Plain and simpe

[shell lodge]

niiice, ok i'm gonna make tarragon xD

[cobalt pewter]

[shell lodge]

oh nice

so that would increase my aura damage as well

?

[eternal escarp]

tarragon indeed has more damage, incase you needed confirmation

and wdym by aura damage?

[shell lodge]

the aura from the armor

[eternal escarp]

the life aura from tarragon?

[shell lodge]

yep

[eternal escarp]

no idea, but i think the damage is only for weapons and it doesnt affect accesories

[shell lodge]

oh ok

tho you lose 2 minions

but you gain +5% damage, +10/15% damage from psa

[eternal escarp]

...so?

[shell lodge]

and the offensive minion

yeah that's worth it ig :))

[eternal escarp]

2 minions for the price of more survivability, the artifact and damage seems better

[shell lodge]

true

btw

can you tell me more armors after that for summoner?

bcs the guide only shows summoner armor so yeah :P

stardust*

[eternal escarp]

you should check the wiki, this isn tthe place to discuss this

[shell lodge]

i did

but

let me show you

[eternal escarp]

and also, check the all classes

[shell lodge]

see?

there's no armor

[eternal escarp]

wow

one sec

yknow the "all classes" tab shows armours for when a class doesnt have a specific armour at that point, right?

and it also shows non specific accesories

[shell lodge]

oh rly..

i thought it was just like

a combination of all classes

like what should you wear if you don't want to be anything :))

[tawny garden]

we should word that better I guess

[eternal escarp]

this is written up there

[tawny garden]

too unintuitive

[eternal escarp]

so philo, i think its fine tbh

[shell lodge]

oh sry

didn't see that

[eternal escarp]

its fine

[tawny garden]

even if we tell it at the beginning yeah

[eternal escarp]

but maybe highlight it, or put a ATTENTION with that phrase

[fossil finch]

nobody does this

[tawny garden]

not a lot of people read the lede there

that's the problem

[fossil finch]

but offtopic ig

[eternal escarp]

afaik, putting "ATTENTION" makes more people read it

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

idk, just seems better by me

[eternal escarp]

also no, that ruins the whole point of classes in terraria, and sounds kinda broken tbh

imo this shouldnt be a thing

[shell lodge]

btw, any advice for my accessories? rn i'm wearing: statis blessing, statis curse, profaned soul artifact, seraph tracers, hallowed rune and something i forgot i think :))

[fossil finch]

you can't be "all classes"
that's just losing dps lol

[eternal escarp]

#help-advice-read-pins

[shell lodge]

yeah, it's more fun to play one class :D

[eternal escarp]

he suggests making all classes an actuall viable class, is what i understood

[fossil finch]

no

[shell lodge]

no, i just thought that's what that tab was :))

[eternal escarp]

ah

[shell lodge]

i agree to sticking to a single class, it's way more fun

[eternal escarp]

it just means that if the certain class doesnt have anything specific, refer to that tab

yeah

[shell lodge]

oh ok

i'd try heart of the elements for my summoner

but it'd take a lot of time to make

i'll just stick to what i have :))

[eternal escarp]

its good for summoner, but we are off topic now

[shell lodge]

oh true, last thing i'm gonna say is my friend beat like 50-75 sand elementals for the rare elemental in a bottle :))

[river glen]

maybe for plantera to despawn at night

since plants

logic

they go to sleep at night

plantera = plant

[toxic basalt]

since when has terraria ever been logical?

[hot zephyr]

Pointless time restriction

[cobalt pewter]

Not that everyone takes time with plant anyways

[river glen]

gyess not

lmao

[toxic basalt]

still completely unnecessary

[tawny garden]

also uhhhh

I'm not sure that plants sleep

[toxic basalt]

If you think about it: You are basically waking up Plantera by breaker one of her bulbs

that is the whole gist

you pissed off a plant because you woke it up

[river glen]

yeah

but its a plant

[crude geode]

Plantera is already restricted enough as is

[sharp prism]

enraged plant already has day/night differences

[gaunt quest]

a premade dungeon arena lol i mean it sounds cool but like would that be something that would be easy to do?

[pine star]

No

[gaunt quest]

what i thought

[zealous ridge]

honestly I don’t know

Worldgen in general sucks, that much is true

I don’t know how comparably easy it would be though

[wary oasis]

dungeon arenas are ez af

it takes like 5 min to make a massive space and cover it with unsafe walls

[slate tendon]

if you have a lategame pickaxe maybe

[lethal marsh]

yeah I mean if the feature were up to me I would make it a toggle

bc building is a fundamental part of terraria but I don't think that's the case for calamity

building an arena is one of the things that makes me close the game

not that it's terrible, i'm definitely burnt out, but it's tedious

[lethal marsh]

I think we could say the same thing for mining, yet we have a buff option

[wary oasis]

id rather the dev's focus on more important thinks like an auric tier spear

[lethal marsh]

they may add an exo spear

[hot zephyr]

Exo spear is not important

[wary oasis]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[frail mantle]

auric tier spear is probably not happening

[wary oasis]

its a shame

[frail mantle]

melee is already the class with the most auric bar crafts

[wary oasis]

i wanted to do a spear only run

[lethal marsh]

they are removing the rogue stuff tho

or are we counting those out

[summer sentinel]

I wish this wasn't the case

[wary oasis]

no auric tier rouge is getting removed I think

auric spear could have had a cool mechanic too

[lethal marsh]

I meant that melee versions of rogue weapons are getting removed

and vice versa

[wary oasis]

like give the right click a guard or the spinny thing from the dungeon defender's 2 event

[zenith hazel]

good news

[tawny garden]

yey

@summer sentinel hey check it out

[summer sentinel]

@zenith hazel wow okay smh :/

[hearty yew]

@slate tendon I'm sorry, I can't disable other players' projectiles without causing colossal multiplayer desyncs

[hot zephyr]

Goodbye, Netcode

[hearty yew]

I can make them not render, but that doesn't entirely solve the lag they can cause

[hot zephyr]

Instanced projectiles

[hearty yew]

That would be better suited as a side QoL mod anyway

Not a calamity problem

[slate tendon]

Alright, no worries! was just a suggestion anyhow

[dapper coral]

@exotic ibex yeah this is fine, thanks for adjusting the sugg Osaka

[exotic ibex]

👌

[lone jay]

Fix rogue dawg

[hot zephyr]

What's broken about it?

[tawny garden]

it will be fixed in Calamity 1.5

hopefully

[tawny garden]

@hollow shell the past suggestion cut-off date is in dire need of shifting

[hollow shell]

Yeah prolly

hang on lemme do some math

aight

I did notice that the other day, thanks for reminding me

Announcement:
The ☑️ (bluecheck) cut-off date has been moved from March 1st 2020 to August 1st 2020.
Suggestion concepts from prior to August 1st, 2020 are now able to be suggested again without being bluechecked.

[tawny garden]

cool

[hollow shell]

(not that we've had many bluechecks anyway, that I can recall)

(Been kinda slacking.
Or by sheer coincidence we just haven't been getting repeat suggs.)

[tawny garden]

it's kinda strange

cuz I remember that we had a lot of bluechecks

[hollow shell]

tis a shame you can't search by reaction

[tawny garden]

I'll get the stats

or maybe it's because people tend to remove the sugg if someone from here says that it has been suggested before

[hot zephyr]

Solstice: My time has come.

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

was Ectoblood removed?

[summer sentinel]

It's been removed already I believe

[tawny garden]

then flag the sugg

[zenith hazel]

really?

[tawny garden]

(if you can confirm)

[summer sentinel]

well I'm not a dev so I can't make that call but it was mentioned by ozz

[zenith hazel]

it was only approved

when a suggestion is implemented, someone would ping the deliverer in the suggestions channel on dev

since I delivered the ectoblood one, I'd be notified when that gets removed and there would be a reaction

etc.

[tawny garden]

Since #suggestions-posting was created (20 April 2020), there were ⭐ 2106 suggestions. Of these:
✅ 672 were delivered to the dev server/mod voting
👍 365 were approved
🚫 129 were rejected
☑️ 54 were bluechecks
🏁 92 were implemented

which gives a grand total delivery rate of 31.91%,
an approval rate of 17.33% (54.32% of delivered),
and an implementation rate of 4.37% (13.69% of delivered, 25.21% of approved) (including "instant flags")

this might become a regular thing if I bother to do this shit

[sand umbra]

oshit

he's got the data

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Nice

Epic info

[sand umbra]

4.37% implementation rate...

[fluid rose]

dang that's actually p high

[sand umbra]

I'm likin' those odds not gonna lie

[fluid rose]

i might toss in my idea for a coin gun minion

[tawny garden]

fuck, messed up

[sharp prism]

figures

[tawny garden]

4.37%

[sand umbra]

wew

that's even higher than 4.12%

[tawny garden]

[sand umbra]

that is. much higher than I thought that rate was

[pine star]

[fluid rose]

reason: who DOESN'T want to be a summoner with a minion that wastes half your life's savings on blue slimes

[sand umbra]

I really like these odds actually

Brax
I like the way you think
but also specific item suggestions aren't allowed

[tawny garden]

the last time I did this it was 4.12%

[gaunt quest]

Maybe the victory shards suggesting that was discussed but never actually written up could have a chance with those odds

[tawny garden]

which was

[sand umbra]

see also: the don'ts doc in the pins

[tawny garden]

oh fuck the last time was only half a month ago

[sand umbra]

(I suggest reading it)

[fluid rose]

wasn't looking at "specific" was just thinking maybe if we got bullet minions why not have the other alt-ammo type minions

coin minions were just the funniest ones

[sand umbra]

lots of suggestions being implemented as of late I take it

this makes me very happy

you gotta understand these are really good odds

considerin' the fact that #suggestions-posting has existed for about 8 months, over 4% of all suggestions getting in is pretty high

[tawny garden]

10 were implemented since the 16th of December

[sand umbra]

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

ok damnit I can't understand if you're sarcastic or not

[sand umbra]

I'm being serious

like this is huge

[tawny garden]

120 suggs since the 16th of december

so it's a twelfth

[sand umbra]

you do not understand how much I've been wanting some proper numbers to say that yes, more suggs ARE being implemented

and now you've given me those numbers

it's incredible

[sharp prism]

now how many of those are feedzuhs

[tawny garden]

so they've been twice as productive as of the end of last month

[sand umbra]

over 4% of suggs being imeplemented is enormous given how many suggs are written out on a daily basis

[tawny garden]

uhh fuck I closed my json export

in which I count this shit

lemme reopen to see how many suggs Feedza made

[sand umbra]

I did the math and since #suggestions-posting was added, going off of stats
there have been on average 8 suggs or more per day

that's 8+ per day for 257 days, which leads to the over 2k we've gotten since posting and voting were separated

[tawny garden]

95 mentions of Feedza

[sand umbra]

now, do I feel the implementation rate could be better? yes, but
the point is that it's still a very nice number to have on hand

because now when people say suggs never happen I can gleefully bitchslap 'em with these numbers and be like "read 'em and weep"

[tawny garden]

dunno if somebody just mentioned him in a sugg, that might've happened

[sand umbra]

"for your information they ALMOST never happen"

[tawny garden]

altho I don't remember such an event

[sand umbra]

anywho yes please continue to provide the numbers

they make me happy

[tawny garden]

and as the last statistics-related info

I think Demik still reigns supreme in terms of star count on a sugg

[sand umbra]

demik pog

[sharp prism]

what sugg

[tawny garden]

it's a pretty old one

"Rotate the Icicle Arrow"

[sharp prism]

ic

[tawny garden]

389 stars

[hot zephyr]

repost your suggestion 25 times and you'll get it implemented

[tawny garden]

the maximum number of times a sugg has been reposted is 6

[sharp prism]

peepoweird?

[frail mantle]

yes

[tawny garden]

mhm

[pine star]

oh

[frail mantle]

the funy frog emote

[tawny garden]

the 6th time we yelled hard enough to stop the shitshow

[hot zephyr]

Don't jinx it

[frail mantle]

no peepoweird specifically has been banned from being resuggested, pretty sure

[sharp prism]

[tawny garden]

Rover beaned it

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

it's not in the doc for some reason

I want to be able to edit the doc pls

[frail mantle]

go harass rover about it or something

[sharp prism]

decompile your way into the doc

[frail mantle]

iirc only he and pinkie has edit perms

[heady storm]

Are more people with edit perms needed.

[tawny garden]

1. I don't want to harass Rover
2. Pinkie owns it

[tawny garden]

Breaking into Google

[hot zephyr]

Hackerman

[summer sentinel]

peepoweird hit its sugg limit anyways lol

[tawny garden]

yeah #suggestions-discussion message

[hot zephyr]

Find similar peepo emote
Suggest it

[tawny garden]

Ian, go away

or I'll use a sticker

[hot zephyr]

Ok

[pine star]

Ian, NO

[hot zephyr]

You got me this time.

[pine star]

NO PEEPOS

[sturdy geyser]

use a sticker

[sharp prism]

ians the kind of person that voted for peepoweird

ew stickers

[hot zephyr]

[pine star]

Personally, I would like :DoGbyeah:

[hollow shell]

I could add Peepoweird to the doc

I figured nobody would attempt it again

[radiant meadow]

Seems pointless to add it to the doc imo.

It seems really peculiar and specific to be a permanent rule

[tawny garden]

it's a Frequently Suggested Suggestion

that section exists

[radiant meadow]

wasn't it like frequently suggested by one person?

[tawny garden]

well fair

by 2

[viscid kite]

PERHAPS

an item that allows you to have 2 pet slots

[tawny garden]

this is probably like

impossible to code in

or so fucking difficult that nobody would bother

[hollow shell]

I think it'd be possible

[radiant meadow]

Wing Slot was already like a ton of fudging around, was difficult to get it to work in the first place and only with help from jopo, and for the longest time was kinda buggy and might even still be.

Doing something like another Pet Slot probably would be far more trouble than is worth.

Especially for something ultimately meaningless as vanity

[tawny garden]

it was quite stable when I used it, which was like 10 months ago

or more

[radiant meadow]

well, the mod is like 3 years old

or 4

idk

[tawny garden]

well, yeah

[radiant meadow]

not buggy as in like your game will crash but like, buggy in other aspects

[lone jay]

rogue's not broken stealth is just really really bad

[gaunt quest]

Well luckly it's being fixed

[lone jay]

how so?

[pine star]

A formula for stealth strike damage

[lone jay]

eek not sure what difference that will make, the damage isn't the problem

it's a mechanic that's designed to be anti-fun

standing still and attacking once every 4 seconds isn't enjoyable in any way

[tawny garden]

@ Feedza

[hot zephyr]

If you think Luxor's doesn't work with yoyos... you aren't using it right

@civic notch Pre-hm luxor nuke go brrr

[unique kite]

mashing the button to get a projectile that does 2 damage spawning every like 0.7 seconds is not useful

[hot zephyr]

It doesn't deal 2 damage

And it ain't 0.7 seconds

[unique kite]

it's limited by the rate at which the yoyo can move away and back

even mash clicking is limiting

[hot zephyr]

Use an agile yoyo

And hold it 1.5-2 tiles away from the character

Then beat it like it owes you money

You can shred literally every pre-hm boss

[unique kite]

by the time you get a yoyo fast enough to use it effectively you might as well use the projectiles the yoyo spawns

i.e. cnidarian

[radiant meadow]

or you could use a different accessory and use the yoyo like a normal person

[unique kite]

^

prehm you only have 5 accessory slots and yoyo are already limited because you absolutely need to have string

[radiant meadow]

I don't think luxor's needs a change just to work differently with some weapons

[unique kite]

luxor's itself won't be changing, just its interaction with these specific weapons

flails and yoyos in particular are gimmicky weapons

[hot zephyr]

You aren't enlightened into the art of yoyo kamehameha beam.

[radiant meadow]

it's still a change to luxor's

[unique kite]

i tried making that work
it just doesn't

you're always better off just using the yoyo

[hot zephyr]

Luxor's doesn't have to be S tier on every item

[unique kite]

yeah i can see luxor's getting nerfed pretty soon

[hot zephyr]

I don't

[summer sentinel]

I do

[hot zephyr]

Pre-HM accessory balance is already wonky

[unique kite]

yeah, that's a problem

[summer sentinel]

we'll see what happens

[unique kite]

and this is contributing to it

[hot zephyr]

It could do 2 damage and it'll still kick ass

Because what else do you have for damage accessories in pre-hardmode?

[summer sentinel]

rusty lockpick

[ashen warren]

aero stone

[hot zephyr]

Shark Tooth? In the phase of the game where enemies have little to no DR? Sure

[unique kite]

shark tooth is good
it drops defense not dr

shark tooth makes minishark viable just by existing

[hot zephyr]

defense, DR, you get what I mean

[unique kite]

very big difference

[crude geode]

Melee can’t use Luxor’s gift on yo-yos and flails? Now melee’s gonna starve

[unique kite]

dropping dr would be worthless in prehm, shark tooth reducing most things' defense by half is good

[hot zephyr]

Melee is DEAD!

[unique kite]

melee is trash
it only has like 600 options

hey we should buff biome blade

also make it pre eow

[crude geode]

die

[hot zephyr]

(tbh Biome Blade is overrated)

[crude geode]

At least melee can use Luxor’s gift

[hot zephyr]

lol Summoner luxor

although tbf out of every class Summoner has the best pre-hm accessories damage wise

[unique kite]

you mean the only class

[hot zephyr]

Two slot accs (for now) and Fungal Clump? Maybe even Luxors if your house has a carbon monoxide leak

[unique kite]

prehm accessories are all mobility
you pretty much need 3 slots to be filled at all times for boots, jump, and shield/scarf

that only leaves 2 slots for whatever the fuck you want

[crude geode]

You don’t need 3 slots?

[hot zephyr]

Didn't you just say "In prehm you only have 5 acc slots"

[crude geode]

I’ve run with boots and scarf and been completely fine

[unique kite]

yeah

i've gotten too fucked up playing something as awful as yoyo, i can't live without bundle of balloons

hell i run frog leg with that shit too

[crude geode]

Your problem

[hot zephyr]

tbh you can use God's Gambit without string

[unique kite]

god's gambit is the last yoyo you get in prehm

[hot zephyr]

Too bad yoyo balancing in 1.4.4 is really bad

Like... really really bad

[unique kite]

cnidarian -> air spinner -> god's gambit

[crude geode]

Imagine using yo-yos

[unique kite]

cnidarian from preboss until fucking perforators lmfao

[hot zephyr]

"but Aorta" No.

[unique kite]

aorta is so trash good god

[hot zephyr]

Cnidarian is better than Air Spinner

[unique kite]

nah, does way less damage and has significantly less range

[hot zephyr]

I honestly think Aorta's projectile makes it worse due to iframe fuckery

[unique kite]

i would know
i tried both on death skeletron and one took 4 minutes while the other took less than 2

[crude geode]

I can’t believe a subclass of weapons doesn’t exist and is viable throughout pre-hm

[unique kite]

the only fights in prehm where yoyos suck mad dick are hive mind and eow

both have too much health for cnidarian

[hot zephyr]

Cnidarian works well against EoW if the projectile decides to behave

[unique kite]

projectile does like 4 damage to every segment other than the head lmao

it's effectively just to clear out the vile spit

t. 3 minute eow nohit

[crude geode]

#calamity-mod-talk

[unique kite]

i'll leave the luxor suggestion for the 3 people who play with flails and the 1.2 who play with yoyos

[pine star]

Amazon?

[unique kite]

amazon doodoo

ok /discussion

[hot zephyr]

Amazon suffers from Calamity making their weapons way stronger than Vanilla because funny mode

[crude geode]

#calamity-mod-talk

[tawny garden]

er

are Vanilla weapons not balanced around rev?

[hot zephyr]

Some are buffed

Some are Amazon

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[crude geode]

A vanilla weapon not workin well in calamity? Shocking.

[sand umbra]

congratulations, you've figured out why Calamity is a pain to balance against for crossmod shit

most vanilla entities are not (re)balanced around Calamity options, and vice versa

[pine star]

[sand umbra]

when Flash Player lives again

[pine star]

flashpoint intensifies

[tawny garden]

ahhh fuck

that's why this mod was kinda weird

[crude geode]

Always has been

[tawny garden]

I couldn't put my finger on it for some reason

[pine star]

was?

[sand umbra]

and now you get why 1.5 excites me

[tawny garden]

was, because I last played it in the beginning of 2020

[sand umbra]

tbh it still is

is, always has been, hopefully won't be for too much longer

[tawny garden]

Calamity 1.5

[sand umbra]

mhm

[tawny garden]

Vanilla 1.5 might happen

[sand umbra]

because the focus on rebalancing post-ML gives me hope that one day Calamity will no longer have asinine power creep at every stage of the game

reminder that you can get about Jungle-level strength from like

3 minutes into the game

you know what you need to get Victide?
you need a Wooden Yo-Yo, a piece of String, blocks, and an area for a Cnidrion to sit in

that is literally all you need to get Victide

now obviously you usually want a little more than that so you can like
live
but that is the gist of it

[tawny garden]

nah fuck it

I don't need to live

who needs to live to survive anyway

[sand umbra]

people do not realize how pitifully easy Victide is to obtain

[tawny garden]

m

[sand umbra]

you can have a full Victide set within like 10 minutes
congrats you've already matched or even outdone Jungle-level shit

that's like post-EoC strength in 10 minutes

[hot zephyr]

And then after that, Calamity weapons are both stronger and more convenient to get!

It'd be nice; if Victide weapons were nerfed, and then Victide armor was locked behind DS or something.

So then you'd have weapons for earlygame, and then an armor later.

[pine star]

Maybe like a "Victide Core" item?

i know that name sucks

[tawny garden]

tbh if you for some reason choose not to get victide, pre-boss sucks ass

it takes extremely long

[hot zephyr]

Nah, just remove Victory Shards from cnidiron and the victide recipe but put them in the armor recipe

So then you could actually craft Victide by reaching the ocean as an alternate way to progress

[cobalt pewter]

Mmhm, and how do you know standing still is the intended way to play stealth?

[crude geode]

Imagine being a nerd and playing stealth

[cobalt pewter]

smh my head indeed

[pine star]

[tawny garden]

imagine playing Terraria

[proper grail]

Imagine playing games

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth is intended to be burst gameplay, plain and simple

The actual stealth theming is just kinda bad flavor stuff

I'm all for the rebrand Ozz said a while back

[viscid kite]

no you dont understand

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[worthy lintel]

using gifs to bypass perms

[pine star]

[proper grail]

We banned stickers, now gifs?

[cobalt pewter]

[lone jay]

Stealth literally gets a boost to regeneration speed when standing still ☠️

It’s not good moving regardless, it’s even worse

[cobalt pewter]

That's intended as a bonus for when you capitalize off a situation and can get the boosted regen in fights even just for a moment

And if you don't like the slow regen, just boost the regen lole

It's not like 1.5 stealth will be disadvantageous with slow Stealth regen anyways

[lone jay]

Slow regen isn’t its issue, just an issue

[cobalt pewter]

Then?

What's your point

The regen is intended for its (currently not as clear) burst gameplay

[lone jay]

My point was never and has never been about regeneration speed

The issue with the stealth mechanic is that it is anti-fun in design

[crude geode]

For you*

[cobalt pewter]

[lone jay]

You may personally enjoy it but being forced to attack once every so many seconds is objectively anti-fun

[crude geode]

that’s your opinion

[lone jay]

Especially when you’re essentially punished for avoiding attacks

[crude geode]

If you don’t enjoy it, play normal rogue

[cobalt pewter]

^

[whole sedge]

Yeah you're not forced to use stealth

[cobalt pewter]

Stealth is completely optional, but I won't stand making it another spam

The reason I'm hellbent on making stealth better because of its burst gameplay

No other vanilla classes do this to the same extent

And they're just braindead spamming

[pine star]

If one does not like burst attacks, THEY DO NOT NEED TO USE THEM

[lone jay]

I do play normal rogue, I’ve had no interest in spending half my gametime waiting for stealth to regen

[crude geode]

then why tf are you complaining

[lone jay]

But the fact of the matter is that a missed opportunity is a missed opportunity

[cobalt pewter]

Okay, then why are you complaining again

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

How is stealth a missed opportunity lole

Don't start on making stealth strikes accessible to spam

Fuck that

[crude geode]

^

[pine star]

^^^^

[lone jay]

Imagine making wild assumptions with no base kappa

A four year old could rework rogue to be better and more enjoyable than it currently is

[craggy stratus]

you sure?

[lone jay]

Positive

[whole sedge]

Why not do it yourself then really

[lone jay]

I would if I had any clue how to use the modding stuff

[pine star]

If you say that, then YOU TRY

[lone jay]

I tried it out yesterday but I can’t really find any good modding guides

[crude geode]

Opinions are opinions. You’re allowed to have them, but don’t force yours onto other people.

Stealth is meant to about burst gameplay, and if you don’t like that, nobody is forcing you to use it. But don’t claim that the gameplay is bad just because you don’t like it.

[cobalt pewter]

If you want to rework stealth by yourself, more power to you, I guess, but if you're trying to shit on current (or maybe future) stealth with no apparent reason, you're just kinda, idk, braindead

[crude geode]

throwing insults around doesn’t help feedzuh

[cobalt pewter]

honestly yeah

[lone jay]

To be fair I wasn’t expecting much more

[cobalt pewter]

But come on

I won't really reason with anyone that don't give any reasoning in the first place

[crude geode]

This also has nothing to do with suggestions, so move to #calamity-mod-talk

[lone jay]

If I knew how to use the modding tools I would gladly rework rogue into something enjoyable, if you know any good modding guides send them my way

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah let's move there, this is way offtopic

unless you wanna suggest about stealth lole