suggestions-discussion

[eternal escarp]

so yeah, low priority like you said

[zealous ridge]

the sugg is fine

But I don’t see it happening soon at all

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, absolutely is

[zealous ridge]

Besides providence

which seems to be done already

as long as it isn’t taking development resources away from getting the actual update’s content out, right?

well I say that like this is a company we’re talking about

Soooo...

[eternal escarp]

lmao

i meean if they had fun doing it

we have no right to say anything tbh

[zealous ridge]

yeah, of course

[tawny garden]

it might be considered a non-profit company

[eternal escarp]

hopefully they didnt do this in absolute boredom or anger

i mean, it is a team, so maybe?

[tawny garden]

crowd-funded

[zealous ridge]

it’s a game development team, yeah

Crowdfunded by patreon I guess

but anyways

[eternal escarp]

i mean, we already closed the main point of the suggestion like three times

so lets just close the convo

[tawny garden]

[zealous ridge]

Was going over each one on its own basis

Which, may not have been necessary but it’s just how I be

we’ll see

[tawny garden]

waaait a minute, "Add more late game armor sets"

is that too broad or not?

[zealous ridge]

ehh

[tawny garden]

also it's getting a rework

[eternal escarp]

it depends on the definition of late game

[zealous ridge]

I don’t know how much it’s been discussed

But, I thought it was fine

It is getting worked on

But silva and godslayer aren’t exactly new armors

they’re just, less spread out

[eternal escarp]

eh, either way, i dont think we need more late game armours, but thats just my point of view

[tawny garden]

the Tarragon → Bloodflare → Godslayer → Silva line is getting bunched in one tier

[zealous ridge]

I think it would help honestly

what......?

all of that is going to be one tier?

[eternal escarp]

tarra and bloodflare aswell?

[tawny garden]

at least

[eternal escarp]

isnt it just godslayer and silva?

[zealous ridge]

where is that info

[tawny garden]

I thought

[zealous ridge]

from the logs it’s just silva and godslayer

for now at least

[tawny garden]

huh

[eternal escarp]

im prty sure its only silva and god slayer, since yharon is going to be both phases at once

and solar buff is after DoG

so they skidaddled some stuff with those two

[zealous ridge]

tarragon and blood flare are going to be in their own zones

I think...?

[eternal escarp]

yeah, they stay the same

unless ive missed something

[cobalt pewter]

I'm personally down with more single-class armors around post-ML

We only have one, for mage, donor

[tawny garden]

well shit I thought the rework is bigger

damn

[eternal escarp]

yeah id be up for more single class armour, but i think the suggestion is asking for armours at the expense

like, multi armours

[cobalt pewter]

But I don't find current armor progression really bad for the most part, just a bit bland after you'd run through many runs

[crude geode]

You have quite a few unique armor sets in hardmode and in pre-hm, but then post-ml it just drops off.

[cobalt pewter]

just auric is really cheap

[crude geode]

Also the effects are boring tbfh.

[tawny garden]

post-ML is just uhhhhhhhh

[eternal escarp]

id love for more of those unique single class armours tho, ill agree

[crude geode]

For all class armors’ “set bonus”

[eternal escarp]

like, desert prowler for example

[tawny garden]

post-ML just drops off in general

[eternal escarp]

those small things that are just so cool imo

[cobalt pewter]

Desert Prowler is cool ye

[eternal escarp]

we litterly only have fearmonger and prismatic

for post ML

that is

unless omega blue counts?

[crude geode]

for post ml class specific armor sets™️

[tawny garden]

Omega Blue is all-class

so no

it doesn't count

[eternal escarp]

then yeah

only these two afaik

[crude geode]

It is only those two indeed

The set bonuses of all class armors post ml, especially mage and summoner tend to be really lame tbfh.

[cobalt pewter]

Actually Fearmonger is sorta intended to be multiclass

It's an illegally designed armor

[tawny garden]

LOL

how ironic

[eternal escarp]

damn

[cobalt pewter]

The only really pure class armor is Prismatic post ML

[tawny garden]

they want Summoner to be a full-fledged class, but then design Fearmonger as a multiclass armor

gg

[eternal escarp]

i mean minions really cant get anything as bonuses damage or class wise

[tawny garden]

love it

[eternal escarp]

so set bonuses for summoner should be the armour itself tbh

[crude geode]

Nobody besides summoner uses it lol.

At least from what I’ve seen.

[eternal escarp]

i mean

its just that other classes have better options

[tawny garden]

I heard people say that it's good when multiclassing

back when I hanged around in #help-advice-read-pins

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah, mainly the penalty reduction helps

[crude geode]

I use fearmonger when I want to take more than three hits as summoner

[tawny garden]

[cobalt pewter]

It's a tank, multiclass armor

[crude geode]

If you want to multi class (calamity doesn’t encourage it at all)

[cobalt pewter]

Fearmonger is epic

[tawny garden]

I risk going into a rant about how the summoner penalty should be the other way around so instead imma just go have dinner

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

This is why Fearmonger is illegal

Also there was a discussion about flipping the penalty here a while back

[tawny garden]

Thomas really wanted it

It got rejected

[crude geode]

Yeah, very hard

I love crab bar and what he does, but forbidden circlet’s existence pisses me off

[cobalt pewter]

Didn't they say they'll rebalance it in 1.5?

and new stealth formula might make forbidden circlet super broken

[tawny garden]

@tired haven

[eternal escarp]

this is what scares me

oh no poor crabbar

[crude geode]

Forbidden Armor just really annoys me in general. No mage is gonna use it Bc why would you multi class, and spider armor is so much better than forbidden armor.

[cobalt pewter]

The start of the convo about the flippin

[zealous ridge]

forbidden circlet

[swift wharf]

oh yeah i just noticed, forbidden circlet is triple class

[crude geode]

No?

[swift wharf]

mage, summoner and rogue

[cobalt pewter]

What I can probably propose is that the penalty is flipped, but also scaled to slots used

Mage-summon and summon-rogue

Same difference

The latter is broken if you'd invest in stealth

[crude geode]

Does it still provide magic bonuses with forbidden circlet on?

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Bc if not than it’s what feedzuh said

the fact that no one has thought about this really proves how little it has been used

[swift wharf]

the boots do yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Oh yeah they still give magic boosts eh

So magic is the lesser child in the circlet set

[swift wharf]

make it the armor with the most iq required, making it possible to use 3 classes at once

[crude geode]

why would mage use this set when they could use titanium? Why would rogue use this set when they could use titan armor?

[zealous ridge]

because it did used to be the most broken shit

but, thats been fixed and its not really a good gimmick

sooo

[swift wharf]

true

[zealous ridge]

its just a wacky spot

and its also donator

or, would it also be a challenge reward

i know it was donated for

[cobalt pewter]

I think that's donor

[zealous ridge]

i think its like, paying homage to a challenge crab did

[crude geode]

Yeah DAD Mode summoner rogue multi class

[zealous ridge]

its still make me angy

[crude geode]

Same.

[zealous ridge]

but its something someone payed for

so i cannot complain at all

[crude geode]

You still can.

[zealous ridge]

regardless, i will be mad at it

[crude geode]

Just don’t expect it to actually change.

[zealous ridge]

i guess, yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Feel free to scream at it ig

[zealous ridge]

gladly

like ill scream at all the broadswords

besides the point, though

have we determined the suggestion to be too broad?

like, that was the main problem, right?

i was unsure how others would think about it

but i thought it was fine

[crude geode]

I think it’s fine and makes sense

I dislike a lot of post-ml armor sets Bc they feel very boring to me (besides funny haha crits can crit ranged bonus). Mage always has healing orbs to make up for otherwise lame bonuses, melee has some neat things, but summoner is just free but garbage set bonus summon

[zealous ridge]

that effect is also boring

but regardless

i want more armors with focus

fucking please give me armored shell beetle armor

[hardy dock]

I hate the God Slayer summon set bonus

[cobalt pewter]

[zealous ridge]

just for example, yknow

it sounds fun, and it makes a lot of sense

gives more use to the sentinels, as well

[cobalt pewter]

I think I suggested a uh

[hardy dock]

what if God Slayer used Sentinel bits too

[cobalt pewter]

Umbraphile upgrade made out of Darksun

[zealous ridge]

yeah, i remember that

[crude geode]

Same

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, that's a massive, missed opportunity

Like

Hng

[crude geode]

Yes yes feedzuh

[zealous ridge]

before that, i suggested an upgrade of umbra made of twisting nether, to line up with my ideas for armored shell and dark plasma

but that was more a consistency thing

[swift wharf]

#calamity-mod-talk message ...unless?

[zealous ridge]

and now that darksun is being moved, they could all just be post-dog with the respective energies

[cobalt pewter]

Ho.

Interesting

Hopefully they'd consider it

[crude geode]

You know what else is a missed opportunity, making a pre-hm mage set that isn’t just diamond robes, wizard hat and jungle pants, for max damage for like 90% of pre-hm.

[cobalt pewter]

Hail 1.4.1 Wizard Hat nerf kekw

[zealous ridge]

i mean, what would your idea be

an actual mage class armor thats better??

because if anythings better than that setup, i feel like its gonna be broken

because that setup already is right now

[crude geode]

Something similar to meteor armor but with less discount ranger and an actual interesting set bonus

[zealous ridge]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

This is the point where nerfing is necessary imo, for hat + diamond robe

It's an incredibly powerful and relatively versatile set

Because you have the freedom to swap pants around without letting go of set bonus

Which is big

[crude geode]

You have like 3 pants pre-hm, chill.

[cobalt pewter]

oh yeah

[crude geode]

It’s nice, sure

But it’s not the big draw like the damage output is

[zealous ridge]

well, there's extra mana and reduced mana usage

theres more dmg

and just any other thing which usually gives defense or some other stat

it isnt a big draw, yes

but it makes the set even more versatile, and worth running

[crude geode]

The damage output I usually get with the wizard hat and robe is usually enough for me to run it on it’s own. It doesn’t even need leggings of any kind to make it good.

[zealous ridge]

of course

[crude geode]

...of course you have to get diamonds though.

[swift wharf]

planetoids make that trivial

[zealous ridge]

but you can't say that you just dont run boots at all

whatever way you cut it, you get an extra slot for more stats

without sacrificing a set bonus

[crude geode]

If you’re lucky enough to get a diamond planetoid

[zealous ridge]

i dont know the chances of that, or if theyve been changed

[crude geode]

I don’t think they have really.

[swift wharf]

all of my worlds had atleast one iirc

[crude geode]

Lucky you then

[zealous ridge]

yeah, really it doesnt sound that rare

ive always had a diamond planetoid

so obtaining diamonds is almost always a non-issue

the most you need is a grav potion, which is rng, of course

[crude geode]

Pretty much yeah.

[zealous ridge]

but even if youre quirky and want it immediately theres nothing really stopping you from just going up on a rope

something made easier to simply do by the fact of more ground to jump off of

[crude geode]

besides death mode screwing with you
Except for harpies

[zealous ridge]

i mean, death mode is death mode

harpies are easy enough to ignore, as well

[crude geode]

yes that’s why I crossed out the message

[zealous ridge]

its when you linger do they become an issue

and at that point, theyre completely countered by blocks

[crude geode]

It’s when you have no mobility and are using rope when you have to linger. As well as mining diamonds.

[zealous ridge]

thats fair, i guess

[crude geode]

Byech

[zealous ridge]

i mean, the most i ever needed was a double jump honestly

[crude geode]

Mage pre-hm has always felt bland to me

[zealous ridge]

in armor choice, sure

in items to play around with? ehhh, i could concede on that somewhat

armors could definitely be looked into more

perhaps something a bit more consistent, and reliant on you playing well with your mana

[crude geode]

I always completely ignore meteor armor’s existence, and I like jungle armor but it’s set bonus is really meh when compared to the damage output of wizard set

[hardy dock]

meteor is nerfed into the ground in calamity tbh

[crude geode]

Yes Bc it deserves it.

[tawny garden]

I wanted to use Meteor armor once

but

it's too shitty

[hardy dock]

the mana cost reduction just isnt worth it

[zealous ridge]

meteor fuck

[tawny garden]

like it was at least somewhat good with the 0 mana usage for the Space Gun

[zealous ridge]

lets make one weapon a ranger weapon but like, not make it good at anything else

i would like it more if it made space gun do something more unique

like, the laser fires way fucking faster so its a death ray

but it chews through mana a bit faster

[crude geode]

I would like it if it actually encouraged you to not use a single weapon for the entirety of pre-hm

[zealous ridge]

or its set bonus could be a cast speed increase and a specific clause for space gun

[hardy dock]

got an idea for meteor

brb

[crude geode]

Considering mage is supposed to be the variety class, meteor armor’s existence spits in the fact of said identity

[zealous ridge]

mmm

its an old as fuck armor

so, yeahh

it has basically changed in no capacity

[crude geode]

It’s age shows so heavily.

[zealous ridge]

jungle suffers from a similar problem

[tawny garden]

it was added in 1.0

hasn't really changed since 1.0.3

apart from slight defense tweaks that nobody cares about

[crude geode]

The armor now costs 30 less meteorite bars to craft

[tawny garden]

[hardy dock]

i hope thats balanced

[cobalt pewter]

First off

No numbers

Second off

[tawny garden]

is totally carries many players to Slime God

[cobalt pewter]

Stat stick set bonus

[tawny garden]

Engrish

[cobalt pewter]

[tawny garden]

and I think one number is ok

[hardy dock]

Jungle is what I use on slime god

[cobalt pewter]

+15% magic dmg is quite specific

[hardy dock]

It has higher defense than any other mage armor

[tawny garden]

if you state that it's an example, you can def have your percentages in the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

Just remove the value imo

[hardy dock]

ok

[crude geode]

Leave balance to the devs.

[hardy dock]

aight

[tawny garden]

still uhh

compared to Jungle Armor is totally carries many players to Slime God
fix this

cause that sentence makes no sense at the moment

[hardy dock]

fixed

lol that took too many attempts

[tawny garden]

cool

[hot zephyr]

rip my meteor patreon armor

[cerulean estuary]

Jungle armor to slime god gang

[sharp prism]

wizard hat + diamond robe + jungle pants will carry through phm and a small bit at the beginning of hardmode

so more variety in armors for mage is good

[zealous ridge]

nevermind diamond

i know thats like, the easiest best thing

but mystic is better for damage optimization, right?

raw damage, at least

[hollow shell]

(by the way has anybody told Kalamari that lifesteal was intentionally left enabled on Iron Heart?)

[zealous ridge]

wasnt aware of that

but like... why?

can i ask? because it seems to be antithetical

[hollow shell]

Hollow Knight reference, to an extent
(and/or Bloodborne depending on how you look at it)

You must attack enemies to regain health, can't run and hide to potion & regen

[sturdy geyser]

reference moment

[zealous ridge]

from here onwards, i kind of detail what is wacky about it

if you want to read, feel free, if you cant, thats fine

tldr is that, people dont use iron heart for the challenge

they use it to lock in health threshold effects

like necklace of vexation

[hollow shell]

(funny that Ian said IH changed so much it no longer resembles a reference
When now it's a more salient HK ref than it ever was before)

[zealous ridge]

i feel like thats arguable

the lifesteal functionality isnt really how hollow knight does it at all

as you said, its more similar to the rally mechanic

and even then, its not the same either

the scaling damage (lower and upper bounds stuff) is agreeably more HK

but, as mentioned

[hollow shell]

Talkin about taking set chunks of your health as damage

yeah

[zealous ridge]

its an odd spot because its not used for that

its used for the lack of any positive regen

[hollow shell]

And Hollow Knight does have the SOUL middle-man for attacking-to-healing

[zealous ridge]

yeh, thats mostly what i was thinking

if you want to keep it like this, as a challenge, then

[hollow shell]

(We did briefly consider giving players Relic of Convergence while IH is enabled)

[zealous ridge]

i would think making any healing effects only work when completely still would be a more accurate way to go about it

(including lifesteal, potentially)

[hollow shell]

But you already know where that argument would go

[zealous ridge]

well, not exactly

give me like, a word or two and ill probably know what youre talking about

[hollow shell]

Stealth.

[zealous ridge]

ah

okay, so yeah it would be stealth difficulty mode

[sturdy geyser]

why does iron heart exist in the first place?

[zealous ridge]

that was my logic

[hollow shell]

Reference

[zealous ridge]

well, yes

[sturdy geyser]

ah

like a lot in calamity

[zealous ridge]

its hard to justify it being a difficulty mode, mostly

[sturdy geyser]

it exists to be a reference

its hard to justify it existing imo

[zealous ridge]

like, steel soul is

but... its effects have very different implications in terraria compared to HK

they are not at all similar games

[hollow shell]

Fab likes references, gives him the motivation to make stuff

[zealous ridge]

yeah, of course

if everything was new ass ideas it would be easy to lose steam

[hollow shell]

Originally IH was supposed to be Hardcore except not cheap, your run couldn't end to a boulder trap

[zealous ridge]

but, mostly, i just am confused as to why it needs to be a difficulty toggle, and in a similar vein why defiled is a difficulty toggle with similarly unrelated effects

[hollow shell]

but eventually he decided it was redundant and wanted to make it a more distinct unique challenge

[zealous ridge]

defiled is being axed, if i recall

but regardless, the confusion still stands

why does it clip wings, but you find rarer items?????

[hollow shell]

We've got Defiled under control dw

[zealous ridge]

if defiled feather is anything to go off of, yall are trying something different

which im excited for

but this leaves iron heart

[tired haven]

Well, I didn't exactly understand from the convo below the message, but if the concern is "why would you use that set when spider/titan/literally anything exists", then it's a correct guess and I'm patiently waiting for the armor to be rebalanced as well

[crude geode]

Yes that is exactly my point.

[sturdy geyser]

also the forbidden circlet just feels really out of place

you have two nice sets of dualclass armor and then

random rogue summoner helmet

[zealous ridge]

[sturdy geyser]

there is neat pairings and then just random item

[hollow shell]

That's the problem when you have 5 classes

[sturdy geyser]

yes

it is

[tired haven]

I mean, it's like magic hat with diamond robe. An unexpected pairing, but it works nonetheless

[hollow shell]

You get one dual class and then one double-dual class

[zealous ridge]

nah yall should just make a new armor thats rogue/classless

[tired haven]

classless class

[crude geode]

ah so fearmonger but for rogue?

[sturdy geyser]

but those aren't unexpected because they are both magic armor pieces

[sturdy geyser]

honestly thatd be a good idea

[tawny garden]

make an entirely new class

[zealous ridge]

it really isnt lol

also, uhh nah

[hollow shell]

Balance it out

[tawny garden]

will it be

[hollow shell]

6 is an even number

[crude geode]

5 is not epic, 6 is pog

[tawny garden]

even != balanced, Rover

[zealous ridge]

death

[hollow shell]

Eat scum

[sturdy geyser]

just make gun class, easy

[zealous ridge]

anyways, last note on iron heart

[tired haven]

In case of "x mod 2" even is balanced, tbf

[zealous ridge]

ive kept tabs on the outcome of that discussion

[sturdy geyser]

we already have one bootleg ranger lets get another

[zealous ridge]

namely, the idea of making curses more encompassing

you know, the configs for boss rush

what if they affected the whole game, and what if there were more based on the more niche effects of the difficulty modifiers

just a thought, mostly

but i think its a solid idea

[hollow shell]

I mean..

That's adding 5 more difficulty modifiers to the game

[crude geode]

So make hollow knight godmaster?

[hollow shell]

We already have too many

[crude geode]

^

[dapper coral]

@storm cove @crude geode @cobalt pewter @serene fox since yall were there during that convo
here were the results of my own testing
(all of these bosses should take about 2 minutes to kill, give or take a few seconds)

[crude geode]

Oh thank you Demik!

[dapper coral]

tl;dr it's fine

[zealous ridge]

they aren't modes, mostly

if they were modes i would agree, 5 more is fucking insane

but they're more specific feature toggles

[crude geode]

Difficulty is not really something we need more of in calamity tbfh.

[tired haven]

got to admit though, making a copy of two other armor pieces (because forbidden set is what it's intended to look like) will be kinda lame
Helmet-centric armors already are prevalent through 80% of the game so it's really interesting for me why this one doesn't exactly cut it

[zealous ridge]

i mean, thats also agreeable

[crude geode]

helmet centric helmets?

[tired haven]

Indeed, fixed

[zealous ridge]

what

ah

[crude geode]

Thank you

[tired haven]

im tired okay

[crude geode]

it’s understandable

[hollow shell]

Anyway before we deviate too far

Should we tell Kalamari to acknowledge that IH keeping lifesteal was intentional?
Right now it's worded like we missed it

[tawny garden]

we already did deviate too far

[zealous ridge]

yeah i think it was mentioned?

i wasnt around for the whole discussion

[hollow shell]

In his sugg

[zealous ridge]

i think.,...

yeah, we can ping to tell him it would be good to add

[dapper coral]

(i'm gonna exclam the bladecrest sugg until bread god addresses it, since it's a better weapon than they're making it out to be)

[hollow shell]

@distant vault IH keeping lifesteal is intended. You should rephrase some of your suggestion to at least acknowledge this

[crude geode]

kinda wacky that healing is the most intrinsic part of hollow knight, but iron heart in calamity says ”no”

[hollow shell]

Well that's why lifesteal is kept

[zealous ridge]

as mentioned its... awkward

like, its not about natural regen, more specifically

you have to invest to get healing

much more than, say, getting a potion bandolier and pressing a button to instantly heal

either way its still wacky

[crude geode]

pretty wacky indeed

[zealous ridge]

and, well, i dont see why an entire difficulty mode has to be dedicated to this game

when we already have, like

several weapons, a boss, some mechanics

[hollow shell]

(a boss?)

[tawny garden]

"several weapons"

like 7 hundred

"several" alright

[zealous ridge]

(i would argue providence is pretty heavily borrowing from radiance)

[tawny garden]

is she?

[zealous ridge]

well, the death animation is one thing

[hollow shell]

Providence was in Calamity before HK released.

[tawny garden]

(at least, is she intended to?)

[zealous ridge]

uh, yeah

that doesnt mean shes not borrowing from radiance

nowadays

[hollow shell]

I mean there coulda been more borrowing afterward of course

yeah

but the boss isn't a HK ref

[zealous ridge]

holy ray comes to mind

yeah, not directly

but she pays homage to some of the concepts

[tawny garden]

oh god inb4 homing suns from Provi

[zealous ridge]

its not literal referencing content

that already exists

holy flames basically all have homing

[tawny garden]

well, it's not as strong

[zealous ridge]

not exactly

id agree that aureus spawn are more similar to the homing suns, in that regard

but, there's holy spears

which i find it hard to argue that those arent a HK inspired attack

[crude geode]

I find it hard to argue that some things aren’t just intrinsic

[zealous ridge]

...either way

[hollow shell]

I'll dig around and see if those were sprited before HK

[tawny garden]

might just be a coincidence

see: Stardust Guardian

[zealous ridge]

its similar enough, is my point

[crude geode]

comparisons can be made alllllll day to other things in media/pop culture

[zealous ridge]

stardust guardian is kind of moot, because even though it wasnt meant to reference jojo, they went with it anyways, no?

[tawny garden]

cuz people wanted that shit

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

mmmhm

[void kelp]

Provi’s first sprite was more closer to Volcarona than Radiance

[zealous ridge]

yuh huh

[tawny garden]

what I'm getting at: Stop wanting shit!

[crude geode]

You could say Hollow Knight borrowed off Volcarona

Ok I’ll stop wanting AoTC to get bonked

[zealous ridge]

you can argue anything you want

but nothings gonna make me really believe that in a serious capacity

[void kelp]

I have that entire AoTC tree down on a list of things to be suspect tested

[zealous ridge]

like, maybe vague refferential imagery

either way, its a discussion for somewhere else, really

[crude geode]

a game theory video saying providence is the radiance?

[zealous ridge]

no

[tawny garden]

oh god

oh god please no

[zealous ridge]

this is why we cant have nice things

[crude geode]

I hope one day that happens.

[void kelp]

it will

we’re doing post-ML balancing

[tawny garden]

[deleted to avoid butthurt]

[zealous ridge]

alright, we're good then

we'll see if any edits are made

[ashen warren]

There should be a way to convert throwing items in vanilla into rouge weapons. Either right-clicking them to turn them from throwing to rouge or having a crafting recipe that turns throwing items from vanilla into rouge weapons.

[radiant meadow]

That won't happen

[crude geode]

Read pins, google doc explains throwing/rogue being quirky

[tawny garden]

and also throwing is a dead man walking as far as calamity is concerned

and already was executed for its crimes in vanilla

[distant vault]

alright I excluded the vampire knives and instead replaced it with true melee healing (although this kinda is also emp knives life steal)

hmmm what else could I put there instead of true melee and emp knives

[hollow shell]

What

That's not what I meant

[distant vault]

what

oh yeah

welp off I go

[hollow shell]

You say that lifesteal defeats the purpose of IH

But IH was designed with lifesteal in mind

[distant vault]

would it help if (I'm stealing chozo's idea about a config option rn >:)) I instead reworded it to make another item or just a curse that disables all healing?

well that'd probably remove the purpose of iron heart

hm how can I fix this

[hollow shell]

I'm personally not a fan of configs of that variety
but yeah
You could make your sugg be to add a config that disables all healing including lifesteal while you use Iron Heart

[patent nimbus]

it seems rather odd that iron heart has this inconsistency where certain things heal while others dont

[hollow shell]

and if the config is disabled then IH can still heal with lifesteal

[radiant meadow]

A config just for that would be really awkward

Even if Iron Heart was technically designed with lifesteal in mind, leaving lifesteal untouched still detracts from the mode's identity of being a limited amount of hits & no healing.

[patent nimbus]

yeah ^

[hollow shell]

aight

The sugg can be to prevent lifesteal with IH

but it should at least acknowledge that the current keeping of lifesteal was intended

and not like
a mistake

[zealous ridge]

thats fair

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message bosses are already immune to the effects of organic (flashbacks to destroyer getting obliterated by pulse pistol) or inorganic, but a new sound for Scal would be good

[crude geode]

You sure?

[grim tusk]

Yea

Ben posted a screenshot of part of pulse pistol’s code about more than month ago

Had a variable called “ignorethesebitches”

Which has destroyer segments, super dummy, dummies and any boss

Thats the only thing we could see though

[robust lava]

#suggestions-discussion message

[grim tusk]

Ye that one

[hollow shell]

Ah, I didn't know about that

[grim tusk]

If bosses didnt had that pulse pistol could vore DoG

as it did with destroyer back in 1.4.5.001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2BI1QppDPA
By kirn

[crude geode]

If anyone has problems with the sugg just lemme know

[tawny garden]

"Lunarian Staff" is kinda specific

[crude geode]

not sure what else to really call it

[tawny garden]

a "weapon"

[crude geode]

Will change soon

[hot zephyr]

"Combine the Carnage/Night's Ray into one weapon, similar to the Lunarian Bow."

or

[tawny garden]

split the Lunarian Bow

[hot zephyr]

"Redesign Carnage/Night's Ray into one weapon, featuring both corruption and crimson designs."

[crude geode]

That just sounds like overlapping the evil biomes even more, which I am not a fan of

[tawny garden]

inb4 05162020 seed

[crude geode]

:hahayes:

You know what I’m not even gonna fix that.

[coarse fiber]

the night's ray/carnage could go both ways,
either make each recipe craft the same weapon and mix the theming of corrupt and crimson, or
give them some kind of distinction from each other to justify having two separate weapons

[crude geode]

Mixing the two is something I find completely unnecessary. You don’t see the theming of corruption and crimson in the Lunarian bow after all, it’s pretty much completely unrelated.

[hot zephyr]

Give them unique attacks

[crude geode]

added that as an option

[crude geode]

@dry lance just wait for 1.4 calamity.

[hardy dock]

[dry lance]

yeahhhh who knows how long that is

[crude geode]

Point still stands

Plus evil island already exists

[dry lance]

according to the modloader team 'we are still a long way to go'

And Evil island... I understand that exists but it can be hard to locate at times

[crude geode]

...what?

Just use a gravitation pot

[dry lance]

hmm

[crude geode]

Evil island already gives you the ability to acquire other world’s evil materials, you just have to put a slight modicum of effort in.

Ichor/Cursed Flames are pretty much the only thing that isn’t directly sold by an NPC, and you don’t need said materials.

If you’re really that bothered by having to put in effort to get the opposite world’s materials, try suggesting being able to just buy the other world’s evil materials post cryo or something @dry lance

[dry lance]

tru

[crude geode]

It’s not gonna be popular, if this sugg is any indication #suggestions-voting message

[dry lance]

so you want me to remove it

[crude geode]

I would, just because the evil island already exists to specifically give you this ability.

[tawny garden]

the sugg can still live

[crude geode]

I literally don’t see the reasoning behind it

mainly when evil island already exists

[tawny garden]

hm yeah
it isn't really explained why underworld specifically

tbh I could understand if like
she always sells both

[crude geode]

It does Bc it’s the most “evil biome”, but I don’t see the purpose for this feature when evil island is a guaranteed thing that you can always get, that provides you with the other world’s evil material.

[tawny garden]

hell isn't evil, it's just hell

[crude geode]

Handing the other world’s evil seeds to the player on a platter just breaks the uniqueness of choosing an evil world even more.

[tawny garden]

it is (although it's not really a question for today)

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly? Murder Amalgamated Brain and Bloody Worm Scarf as well, they were made with the intention that you can get expert drops needed to make these in a single world

[crude geode]

delete evil biomes, only jungle remains

[cobalt pewter]

delete jungle as well, stinky ass biome

[dry lance]

delete desert, jungle, ice, oceans, crags, abyss, ocean, sulphur ocean, surface

only cavern remains

[tawny garden]

delete terraria

[crude geode]

Byech

[dry lance]

delete cavern

celebration mk2 has prevailed

[tawny garden]

uhh

[cobalt pewter]

Halibut is meant to be broken

[crude geode]

^

[sleek turret]

yep

[tawny garden]

@solar kayak the whole point of halibut is to be fuck shit op

[glass sentinel]

this counts as a sis

right?

[crude geode]

Don’t use it if you don’t like the fact that it’s op

[tawny garden]

no, but

[crude geode]

What? No

[cobalt pewter]

As much as I don't agree with it existing

It's the fact

[solar kayak]

Yet it drops in usefulness post Yharon

[crude geode]

after the second to last boss in the game

[tawny garden]

so it needs a buff

[crude geode]

Wow this weapon is only useful for 99.9999999% of bosses? Trash.

[solar kayak]

And yet, you can’t cheese her with post Yharon weapons

😕

So

[ashen warren]

what

[crude geode]

Don’t use it then.

[tawny garden]

[solar kayak]

"Don’t use it then"
It's the precedent that I disagree with. Whether or not I use it doesn’t change that it's there. I think it contradicts the premise that she will always take a minimum 4 minutes regardless of tier.

[tawny garden]

wut

[solar kayak]

🤨

What is so hard to understand about that?

[cobalt pewter]

As I said, as much as I don't want it exist, it's there. If you don't want to break things, have some actual self control and don't use it.

[crude geode]

It breaks the precedent Bc it’s literally a one in a million drop.

[tawny garden]

you uh
do understand that you only use halibut for a joke playthrough?

because it's so op

these jokes aren't meant to be balanced simply because they will ruin your playthrough regardless

also, why provi?

[crude geode]

nighttime provi Philo

[tawny garden]

ah

right

thing is

that's not the only thing that Halibut breaks

[solar kayak]

What's with these "hide it under the rug" responses? I couldn’t care less whether this weapon is 1 in a million. I couldn’t care less whether it is a joke. I think it breaks the fundamental nuance of the fight.

Furthermore there's no reason for it to stop being viable post Yharon—which begs the question for why weapons post Yharon aren’t just as effective.

[tawny garden]

there's no reason for it to stop being viable post Yharon
that's right, it needs a buff then

[solar kayak]

🤦‍♂️

[tawny garden]

and the weapon is a joke, you need to understand that

[solar kayak]

Idgaf

🥱

[crude geode]

@heady storm

[tawny garden]

well then don't suggest anything

if you don't care

[cobalt pewter]

I wouldn't argue with dumbasses who think that "idgaf" is a proper argument

Byeah

[crude geode]

If you’re not going to care about the feedback you get, don’t make suggestions.

[cobalt pewter]

imma yeet for now

[heady storm]

Yeah can you listen up to what these people have to tell you Katherine.

If you're going to deflect all criticism, then simply don't make a suggestion.

[crude geode]

^^^^^^

[zealous ridge]

honestly i dont really see it as deflecting

[dry lance]

emmm

[cobalt pewter]

Just ignorance, which is common with this specific individual iirc

[zealous ridge]

this is... hmm

okay, so i dont know how to say i think this suggestion is good without like, taking a side on how to give feedback and take it n shit

like, honestly, im for it

but im just like, conflicted on what to really say here

[heady storm]

Let's start by making what's wrong clear and simple.

[tawny garden]

hmmmmmmmmm

[zealous ridge]

with the suggestion, or like, how to take criticism?

[heady storm]

The suggestion in question.

[crude geode]

With the suggestion

[zealous ridge]

alright

okay... soo heres my take

[heady storm]

Just get straight to the point or a mess like this ensues.

[zealous ridge]

halibut cannon being a joke does not exclude it from being subject to balance

the joke explanation does not hold up when you consider duke fishron

which was a joke

so i ask what the response to that is

[crude geode]

...what?

[zealous ridge]

if halibut is a joke and shoudnt be balanced, then why is fishron balance not being shut down when anyone talks about it

[dry lance]

time to buff the murasama

[crude geode]

Bc Fishron is a actual boss and not a single weapon?

[solar kayak]

No, the reason why I’m ignoring the fact that it's a joke is because it doesn’t affect my argument at all. It ruins the nuance. Why is it that I’m unable to use a joke weapon from a separate mod, which does like 999999x10^99 damage, on Night Time Providence without instantly killing her, or against Post DOG bosses (does 0 damage)—but the Halibut Cannon is A-Ok. Those weapons are evidently jokes, are they not? Again, point is—it ruins the fundamental design of the bosses, which is why they either have damage caps (Super OP weapons do 0 damage on Post DOG bosses), or tons of DR (in NT Providences case)

I’m criticising your game's flawed design. "Deflect all criticism" "It's a joke"
You are compensating. We clearly do not see eye-to-eye with this.

[solar kayak]

Cry me a river

[cobalt pewter]

ok

[crude geode]

Calm down please.

[tawny garden]

fishron wasn't meant to be op, but halibut is

[dry lance]

Time for the devs to remove coldheart icicle so you can't get the cannon

[zealous ridge]

okay, thats a workable explanation

[crude geode]

Duke Fishron is also a boss, not a single weapon with a one in a million drop chance.

[golden narwhal]

I agree with the sugg as well tbh
It's not necessarily balance, but consistency

[zealous ridge]

this is also true

why is halibut treated any differently

why should it be

[crude geode]

Bc it’s funny.

[zealous ridge]

thats not really a good reason

[tawny garden]

("""funny""")

[radiant meadow]

@solar kayak did you have yellow Cirrus Candles set up? the spiteful ones

[solar kayak]

🤨

[zealous ridge]

arent those orange

[radiant meadow]

Did you place them around the arena or not?

[zealous ridge]

do you have spiteful candles around yeah

[heady storm]

@solar kayak provide video evidence if possible please.

[zealous ridge]

because they increase the damage the boss takes

[radiant meadow]

yellow

[zealous ridge]

fuck

[heady storm]

Because the scaling DR should be stopping Halibut entirely.

[zealous ridge]

the flame is orange

[golden narwhal]

[solar kayak]

Do they affect the DR of a boss?

[radiant meadow]

I think yellow candles messing with Night prov's dr is fixed next update.

[zealous ridge]

i believe they do

[solar kayak]

For?

[zealous ridge]

killing in less than 4 mins i guess

[heady storm]

Of Halibut melting Providence of course.

[radiant meadow]

They make stuff deal 5% more damage bypassing def/dr.

[solar kayak]

The guy prolly did. I was watching Happy Days' livestream

[radiant meadow]

so it wasn't even you?

[zealous ridge]

ah, happydays was it?

[dry lance]

melting the profaned goddess

[solar kayak]

Does it matter?

[radiant meadow]

well, if it happened to be spiteful candle shit, I'm fairly sure that was fixed

[zealous ridge]

alright, i mean at least that means we have video evidence technically

[radiant meadow]

I mean

[zenith hazel]

can you provide footage?

[zealous ridge]

yeah, whats the stream

[golden narwhal]

It's better if you check it out yourself

[cobalt pewter]

Suggestions are usually best when it's your own experience

[radiant meadow]

it helps if people actually make suggestions on their own experiences

rather than make assumptions on that of others

[golden narwhal]

Basing it on smth else might mean you might be missing context

[cobalt pewter]

^

[crude geode]

^

[zealous ridge]

agreeably, checking it out yourself is important as well

[radiant meadow]

Halibut Cannon should not be bypassing night prov's dr.

[zealous ridge]

the extra arrows are not necessary

[cobalt pewter]

Who knows, maybe happy days used a mod that made halibut ignore defense and dr for the memes?

You never know until you'd ask

[solar kayak]

https://youtu.be/H9xDGr0MB4w

[radiant meadow]

Spiteful Candles were bugged and caused stuff to bypass night prov dr, most noticeable with stuff like Murasama.

[solar kayak]

8:12:43

Time stamp

[radiant meadow]

I believe that is fixed next update.

the spiteful candle stuff

[crude geode]

you new here chozo, this arrow thing happens constantly~

[zealous ridge]

im not new here lmao

its just annoying, honestly

and im calling it out because i feel like its demeaning

[solar kayak]

Why would someone make a third party mod to buff the Halibut Cannon

[zealous ridge]

yeah it wouldnt literally be that

[golden narwhal]

Because they can

[zealous ridge]

more like, something that messes with dr code for example

[solar kayak]

And now y'all are ignoring the fact that it was a "joke"

[tawny garden]

yeah Chozo ain't new here lol

[solar kayak]

Bipolar

😬

[zealous ridge]

hey, look

[radiant meadow]

When did he even fight Night Prov in that video?

[tawny garden]

I still think it should bypass it

[crude geode]

Bc we're focused on the fact that this might not even be specifically halibut cannon's fault.

[zenith hazel]

8:12:43

[cobalt pewter]

If alchnpc full exists, that's not out of the scope.

[zealous ridge]

that point was contentious and i didnt agree with it, but you dont need to bring it up again in any case

like, its just so you can show us how stupid you think we are, which is not contributing anything

[radiant meadow]

okay yeah

he had all 4 candles

I'm 99.999999% sure Spiteful Candle is to blame

[solar kayak]

But you would still defend the Cannon even if it was though, right?

[radiant meadow]

Not halibut Cannon

[golden narwhal]

Sugg go deletus?

[solar kayak]

Aight, so the Cannon wouldn’t normally do that?

[radiant meadow]

It would not

[solar kayak]

Cool

[golden narwhal]

Should prolly try it out yourself if you're worried

[solar kayak]

Discussion over then

[radiant meadow]

If you remove Spiteful Candle, I bet it'd take just about 4 minutes.

[zealous ridge]

yeah, u can delete the suggestion if everything is good

[crude geode]

Yeah

[solar kayak]

I’ll take down the suggestion

[tawny garden]

I'm still sticking for the cannon being op tbh
cuz if you're using it, you're not relying on skill anyway

[golden narwhal]

[solar kayak]

Make sure to fix that bug though

[zealous ridge]

yeah i think it is fixed

[solar kayak]

Happy ending

[radiant meadow]

It looks like it is fixed.

[crude geode]

cool

[solar kayak]

😈

[buoyant idol]

Is it just me or does ancient bone dust seem redundent

[cobalt pewter]

It's not really ig?

[golden narwhal]

it is because thomas made a sugg on it

[sand umbra]

I tried explaining to people that it is literally just a bloat material with exactly one purpose that doesn't also use some other later bone-based mat

[buoyant idol]

Silt seems like that it fills the purpose nicely, consider ancient fossil

[sand umbra]

and APPARENTLY IT HAS ENOUGH DIFFERENCE FROM LEGIT JUST FUCKING BONES TO WARRANT BEING KEPT

[cobalt pewter]

Some other bone related materials might be bloat doe

[buoyant idol]

So should I make a suggestion on it?

[cobalt pewter]

Like the demonic bone ash or smth

I wanna see Ancient Bone Dust being convertible into Bones in HM

[hot zephyr]

Counterpoint

Calcium Potions

[cobalt pewter]

primarily because it'd be a gift to low% lole

[sand umbra]

I will murder those fuckers with my own two hands and a keyboard

[hollow shell]

3 out of 4 of Demonic Bone Ash's recipes are on-tier (one of em being arguable)
while only 1 out of 4 of Ancient Bone Dust's recipes are on-tier

[buoyant idol]

Calcium potions could made with silt or desert fossil

[pine star]

A monitor is a better bludgeoning tool than a keyboard

[hot zephyr]

Debloating the Ambrosial Ampoule line? That's like... half the mod's crafting mats!

[sand umbra]

GOOD

I'll kill them all

[cobalt pewter]

I think Archaic Powder can be simpler in crafting yes

[hollow shell]

Ancient Bone Dust is fine in concept, in that it gives a material to enemies that don't have one already and is bone-themed prior to obtaining the Bone item
It has potential, but it doesn't use much of it currently.

[sand umbra]

I will murder exactly as many materials as is necessary and push for more purposes for the rest

[buoyant idol]

Judging by the feedback I will suggest it when I have my keyboard

[hot zephyr]

I think the problem with Ancient Bone Dust... is that it needs to be more important.

[hollow shell]

See this, Gearsaw: #suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

I think it's good, gives earlygame skeletons an actual purpose.

[hollow shell]

and the previous: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

I'm still a bit discouraged to continue acc doc because of how much more creative Tom handled Ampoule changes

[sand umbra]

oh my god we're really doing this again

[buoyant idol]

Oh

Didnt bother to check

[hot zephyr]

It's not like Ectoblood which was literally worthless

[buoyant idol]

Thanks for prevent redundency

[hollow shell]

You can still try

Maybe your wording will be more successful than Thomas's

[cobalt pewter]

You're not disallowed to suggest the same thing tbf

[sand umbra]

as long as the sugg didn't reach dev

which I can assure you did not happen

you can suggest the same thing

[cobalt pewter]

thomas has no real clout in sugma disc

[crude geode]

Thomas is both popular and unpopular, a controversial figure

[sand umbra]

who knows? maybe it'll be another case like Solstice where the moment somebody else pushes for it it just magically becomes popular to vote for

[hot zephyr]

Thomas just has a negative luck stat

[sand umbra]

my luck stat is so bad

it's so unbelievably awful

[hot zephyr]

"There are no accidents."

[cobalt pewter]

Ian wtf

Your moonwalk sugg is like

190 now

[hot zephyr]

Problem?

[cobalt pewter]

This is close to epic

[sand umbra]

how is it that when I push for this stuff nobody cares and then when somebody else pushes for it it just immediately happens

[cobalt pewter]

I never reached that point with all 3 of my suggs ig

[hot zephyr]

Because by the time other people suggest it, we star it because we're tired of hearing it? maybe?

[crude geode]

Thomas: posts a suggestion after a week
3 other people: allow us to introduce ourselves

Might be Bc Thomas’ suggestions tend to be walls of text tbh.

[hot zephyr]

Real shit though, I'm pretty sure I've starred all of Thomas' recent suggs lol

[sand umbra]

they're walls of text because I do my homework on why these suggs should be accepted

[crude geode]

Which is completely fine and should be the norm

[hollow shell]

Thomas's suggs need Expand/Collapse sections

[hot zephyr]

lel

[sand umbra]

I'm out here citin' my sources in MLA format and givin' 3-paragraph understandings as to why the concepts I'm pushin' for should appeal to people

[hot zephyr]

Here's an idea for you, Thomas

[crude geode]

Pls Amber

[hot zephyr]

Put an abridged version of the suggestion in voting with a link to a doc that has your reasoning.

[sand umbra]

and then instantaneously some nerd I've never heard of comes out of nowhere, posts the same suggestion a week or two later, and instantly receives 200 stars

[crude geode]

That don’t work

[sand umbra]

I DID THAT
I DID THAT WITH MULTIPLE SUGGS

[sleek turret]

when I do suggestions basically its "uhh, this is an oversight common man this isn't fair because look above" (torrential tear sugg)

[sand umbra]

IT DOESN'T WORK

[hot zephyr]

Then you haven't shrinked it enough

[sand umbra]

IT JUST DOES NOT WOR--
I'm not mad

I am completely fine

I am completely and undoubtedly okay with this consistent outcome
it's fine
it's all good

[hot zephyr]

Dunno, maybe you ran under a few too many ladders, or broken a few too many mirrors.

Otherwise I'm not sure why you aren't getting stars, your suggs are good.

[crude geode]

Indeed

[sand umbra]

okay but seriously what god have I angered to get scammed like this

this has been happenin' like every time I've posted a sugg recently

[crude geode]

rover’s hiding a grudge

[cobalt pewter]

Been a week since I last suggested.

Damn

[sleek turret]

damn suggzuh.

[cobalt pewter]

Rover prolly

[hot zephyr]

Rover has secretly been removing stars from your suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

[hot zephyr]

It's a conspiracy

[sleek turret]

It has been like, uhh, 0.35 fargonian years since I last suggested something.

[hot zephyr]

Rover has been taking stars from you, and giving them to me.

"STOP THE COUNT!"

[sand umbra]

I've had one sugg get to dev in the past 2 months and it was the Verstaltite sugg I posted like 10 days ago

this is an all-time low for me

[hot zephyr]

Start suggesting emotes

[crude geode]

[sand umbra]

no emote suggs are stupid

[crude geode]

Thomas is desperate but not that desperate

[hot zephyr]

Maybe it works in the other direction; maybe if you start reposting other people's failed suggestions you'll get to dev

[radiant meadow]

If you just suggested emotes, you're getting 0 things sent to dev.

[sand umbra]

like I'm not gonna throw away everything I stand for just to inflate my stats, that's not the way I roll

emote suggs are cringe and get either added or rejected instantly

[hot zephyr]

Hey, is a national treasure.

[sand umbra]

I don't have access to it, therefore it ain't

[cerulean estuary]

In order to get ahead, you either gotta work hard to improve yourself and be the best, or sabotage your competition

[hot zephyr]

Don't have access to it yet*

Oh god oh fuck I'm going to get sabotaged.

[proper grail]

Just read the chat, sorry to be stealing your thunder Thomas

[zenith hazel]

when did this become a competition

[hot zephyr]

Does it really matter if Solstice passes it when it's your idea?

Same thing in the end, innit?

[zenith hazel]

suggestions aren't a competition

[cobalt pewter]

when numbers are involved obv

[sand umbra]

it's not a competition I'm literally just annoyed that I can't seem to actually get anything passed myself

do I make my suggs too long?

[cobalt pewter]

You can try shorter stuff

[crude geode]

perhaps

[sand umbra]

maybe I should try trimming them down a bit, make them more concise
that way the average idiot that glances in can get through it faster and is more likely to either star it or ignore it

...except 1) that's not my style and b) I'm also horrible at being concise

[crude geode]

Though I'm still getting mine through and I've been using two paragraphs usually.

[hot zephyr]

Get experimental with it

Start diversifying your suggestions

[sleek turret]

nah, the key to actually suggest is when everybody is sleeping so you can get more time between another suggestion post.

[hot zephyr]

Wouldn't it be best to post at a time where most people are online?

[proper grail]

I usually use one or two medium paragraphs. Also @sleek turret that's not always true, I've posted at literally all times of day and still gotten stuff passed

[hot zephyr]

To be in the spotlight when most people are online?

[sleek turret]

it really depends mostly.

[hot zephyr]

Your suggestion is going to be pushed up, no matter what.

[sleek turret]

yes

its always true.

[hot zephyr]

Most optimal times are probably during the most active hours.

[crude geode]

I think the fact that I've been mainly posting in very inactive hours and have gotten only a couple through recently is a sign of this.

[hot zephyr]

I've been posting around 4 PM - 8PM CST and almost all of my suggestions get passed.

[crude geode]

yeah but your suggestions are shit like widen shrines

[sleek turret]

downside of posting on active hours is getting your sugg getting most commonly sunken by other suggs.

[proper grail]

In my experience, it's more about convincing the server and making your suggestion stand out as opposed to the time it gets passed. I've posted at both noon and midnight and gotten both passed

[hot zephyr]

Yeah yeah, complain about my shrineposting all you want but when true melee gets universal moonwalk you can thank me.

[vocal grotto]

Focusing on the server shouldn't be the focus as much as focusing on the devs/testers. If the general public agrees, then so be it.

[hot zephyr]

You need to do both, though.

[crude geode]

^

[proper grail]

I mean, all of my suggestions start by being in line with the devs plans (hence why I've stumbled across your plans twice now)

[crude geode]

I rarely if ever see a sugg with something like 250 stars or something, but I've seen plenty with 150 that just die.

[hot zephyr]

If there wasn't a star system to begin with, I'd agree w/ you Dom, but so many good suggestions don't even have a chance because they don't reach requirement (thomas and feedzuh in particular)

[sleek turret]

last sugg I posted was the repost of torrential tear and posted it at 20:00~ in my time zone.

[crude geode]

feedzuh shoots himself in the foot tbfh

[proper grail]

It's more about convincing the server that the devs ideas are good ones

[hot zephyr]

Feedzuh is stuck in a cage built by Feedzuh

He pushes up his OWN suggestions.

[proper grail]

Which is where my suggestion came in

[hot zephyr]

The restriction would need to be stronger to actually matter

We'd be better off holding an intervention to feedzuh lmao

[pine star]

[cobalt pewter]

[proper grail]

Well I didn't decide the period so a new suggestion would have to be passed

[hot zephyr]

"If you suggest another thing this week I'm breaking your kneecaps."

[vocal grotto]

Would you say it's somewhat related to the star count requirement?

[hot zephyr]

I'd say bump down the star count.

[vocal grotto]

iirc a reason for it was a surge of activity in the summer
... which is no longer there

[hot zephyr]

And then raise it once 1.5 is near.

[vocal grotto]

Because summer and school.

[cobalt pewter]

There's holidays Dom

[vocal grotto]

Yeah.

[proper grail]

200 is a little high. Most stall out at 170-180

[hot zephyr]

The average user count has dropped off since R&D when it was raised.

[cobalt pewter]

Which is why Rover hesitated on pulling stars down

[hot zephyr]

Bump it down to 175.

Please.

[cobalt pewter]

Because holiday activity will surge

[hot zephyr]

Then raise it in the summer months/1.5.

[crude geode]

Wait until January tbh.

[hot zephyr]

What's wrong with having an adaptive star count? Review it every one or two months?

[vocal grotto]

Might be something to call Rover with, if you all agree that's the case.

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell

🔫

[proper grail]

Getting stuff passed is stupidly annoying right now, the ones that do pass barely reach 200

[crude geode]

We're discussing star counts Rover, maybe them being adaptive.

[hollow shell]

What's goin on

ah

[hot zephyr]

We're discussing the star count.

[crude geode]

don't just randomly ping please

[cobalt pewter]

Stars and stuff

[hot zephyr]

What numbers are we thinking? I'm with 175.

[cobalt pewter]

dom asked to call rover

[proper grail]

Possibly lowering it due to the loss of activity/players

[hot zephyr]

And then raise it once it gets closer to summer/1.5.

[hollow shell]

Here are the stats for reference
#suggestions-discussion message

15.3% currently

[crude geode]

that 15.3% prolly feels like 1% to Thomas.

[hollow shell]

I figured a lowering wasn't needed considering the holidays are rolling around and people are getting out of school

which should bring in voting peoples hopefully

[crude geode]

I would wait until January to lower, just to be sure. If it remains stagnant, lower it.

[hot zephyr]

^

Sounds good.

[proper grail]

Yep

[hot zephyr]

And then raise server suggestions to 150.

So we can be done with emote suggs

[proper grail]

^

[pine star]

^^^^

[proper grail]

Daily posts being lowered to one would also be nice

[hot zephyr]

Or just ban them

Emote suggs

Or maybe them their own day

Say you can only post emote suggs on mondays

Or somethin

[crude geode]

Wasn't the summer time also the time when suggestions got reworked?