suggestions-discussion

[sleek turret]

ah yes minion speed.

[eternal escarp]

a minion that can actually deal more damage whilst catching up with fast bosses is great tbh

[hot zephyr]

So slow-ass minions are slightly less slow

[sleek turret]

summoner modifiers for accs make some summons ignore some i-frames.

[hot zephyr]

Good

There could also be minion aggression, although that's more abstract

[eternal escarp]

i mean ranged reforge for velocity is meh, dont see how it helps anything but bows and rockets, ammo reduction is nice bonus for it tho

[sleek turret]

more use speed for ranged weapons?

[hot zephyr]

fire rate is

[eternal escarp]

fire rate would be too op tho wouldnt it?

maybe ammo size..?

[hot zephyr]

I mean, only helping bows and rockets is still infinitely useful than current quick/arcane which both are near useless

[eternal escarp]

thats fair yeah

[hot zephyr]

Also, velocity will help out bows a fuckton earlygame

[eternal escarp]

well yeah it will

[hot zephyr]

If we're really changing a stat; we need PROJECTILE SPEED.

To make it easier to hit shots.

[eternal escarp]

sniper bows pog

more velocity also means more accurcy basically

when i think of it

[hot zephyr]

It'd be universal velocity as well, so every ranged weapon would get a bonus

[sleek turret]

meet the huntsman sniper

[eternal escarp]

yeah the more i think the more i see its a bigger buff then i thought

oh, pog

[proper grail]

It was made yesterday

From the same comment that made me post the suggestion

Ben saw it apparently

[eternal escarp]

damn thats really cool!

[tawny garden]

make Arcane great again

[violet dagger]

maga :echbegone:

[sand umbra]

minion speed cannot be a statistic in a mod without murdering any and all chance of compatibility with other mods

[hot zephyr]

Good

[sand umbra]

you would have to directly edit all vanilla and Calamity minion AI to adhere to minion speed modifiers

never mind the balancing nightmare that minion speed has the potential to be

[hot zephyr]

Redcode at it's finest, eh, no forethought for scaling

[sand umbra]

correct

because in vanilla it's not a stat and there's no reason for it to be one

it's not a lack of foresight when there's literally no vanilla reason for that functionality to exist

[hot zephyr]

Because Summoner is was a half baked mage subclass

[sand umbra]

it's the same reason attack speed is awful to adjust

useTime/useAnimation adjustments barely even work

[hot zephyr]

Red was many things, a utilitarian he wasn't.

[sand umbra]

melee speed is the only attack speed stat that even exists in Terraria

and it doesn't even work for half the melee weapon types out there

[hollow shell]

(Why melee speed specifically?)

[sand umbra]

broadsword privilege

you know the drill

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Wouldn't it theoretically work with any class if you just.. modified the usetime, like wep prefixes do?

[sand umbra]

prefixes modify the item's use time directly iirc which is stupid

[hot zephyr]

because melee speed was already a balancing nightmare perhaps

[hollow shell]

For us it was, I doubt it was for Red and co. though

[hot zephyr]

Because balancing in Vanilla is an afterthought

[sand umbra]

bonus points: several weapons would need new things added to them to account for the concept of increased attack speeds

they're all designed with the idea of attack speed being constant in mind

[hollow shell]

m, Solar Eruption would need a faster retract rate

[hot zephyr]

What about ranged velocity/consumption?

Seems like everything is already there

[sand umbra]

attack speed bullshit in a shellnut (convo with Ozz in tML collabs chat)

[hollow shell]

Unless ammo consumption is coded very poorly by just checking for the 2 things in vanilla that modify it

(which would not be unheard of for vanilla code)

[sand umbra]

ammo consumption has like a dozen items that affect it what

[hollow shell]

Sorry only the placed box and the potion came to mind

Ah right a buncha armors do too

[hot zephyr]

there's a potion, station, armor set bonus, and individual item bonus

[sand umbra]

^

[hot zephyr]

velocity is also from a potion, as well as armor bonuses iirc

[sharp prism]

#suggestions-voting message shouldnt this sugg be 🏁 now because of change 295?

[hollow shell]

I could still see them fucking that up and making it harder for themselves :P

And yes.

[sharp prism]

good thing i have a good memory of suggs

[zealous ridge]

melee speed was just like, a stat in 1.0.6 basically

like, at that point melee weapons were the only items that realistically could benefit from it yknow

now theres a lot more

[sand umbra]

attack speed as a stat was never properly expanded upon to be reasonable

[zealous ridge]

attack speed in general can be fucked

anything that alters it can screw with weapons

[hot zephyr]

solution: delete attack speed modifiers

[sand umbra]

melee speed is the only attack speed stat that functions like one

all other attack speed modifiers are in essence false attack speed
they modify useTime (and only useTime iirc) directly rather than using a float stat like melee speed

[zealous ridge]

namely, anything affecting a projectile weapon's usetime if it fires volleys of projectiles (and is also coded horribly (usually the case)) it just makes it fire more projectiles or less depending on the modifier

also can i ask what this is for suggestion wise?

was this just something brought up or

[hot zephyr]

I was talking about adding more class specific modifiers earlier up in the thread

[sand umbra]

this is why, for example, old Barinautical had the problem of only firing two bolts instead of 3 when reforged in such a fashion that its useTime would be modified

[hot zephyr]

No actual suggestion yet

[zealous ridge]

ah

okay, so

you mentioned minion speed

[sand umbra]

byeah

minion speed and attack speed are both not something that vanilla has good support for

[eternal escarp]

i mean, if minion speed is impossible, maybe give a special thing? like per say, knockback or some other unique thing?

[sand umbra]

some can argue it is a lack of foresight, but the more reasonable explanation is that these things were added on a need-to-have basis

[hollow shell]

(do I wanna bring up knockback vs minion knockback?)

[sand umbra]

(do we wanna talk about how KB modifiers barely even work)

[eternal escarp]

maybe minion cost? make certain minions cost less minion slots? if thats possible?

[eternal escarp]

(i legit have no idea so you decide)

[zealous ridge]

nah minion cost would give us the same problem as stacking minion slots

[hot zephyr]

(grand dad is the only weapon with knockback that matters lel)

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, true

[hot zephyr]

(especially pre-nerf boss yeeting)

Knockback could literally be shaved off of tooltips and people wouldn't even care

It's such a useless stat

[coarse fiber]

it's important early game

[hollow shell]

It helps early game yeah

[hot zephyr]

Slightly

[coarse fiber]

hugely

[hollow shell]

Keeps you from getting fucked

[zealous ridge]

it depends on the minion

[hot zephyr]

Meh, especally in Calamity you get enough earlygame damage to render most enemies non-threats, knockback or not.

[zealous ridge]

a lot of minions really dont garner any beneift from it

there are a few, mind you

[hollow shell]

Killing mobs early game would be a LOT more annoying if they tanked all your hits and weren't impeded by them at all

Hell, the whole of PreHM and even early HM would be too

[eternal escarp]

stunning enemies, more then knocking them back, is better imo

like, half knockback, if it makes sense

not enough to exactly push them

[hollow shell]

Well, sure
Anything to stop em from touching you

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

laughs in tiles

[hollow shell]

mm yes place down tile wall for every single Zombie and Demon Eye

[zealous ridge]

its just, the difficult thing with summoner in general

[eternal escarp]

tfw when your world becomes a mess after that

[zealous ridge]

is that the stats are either trash and arent worth stacking, or literally crucial to succeed

[hot zephyr]

Whatever it takes

[zealous ridge]

kb vs slots, for example

neither of these work well as modifiers

[sharp prism]

Knockback is literally so your weapon can be reforged to legendary

literally only reason i have it on my hage weapons'

[eternal escarp]

yeah you cant really give summoners a balanced reforge, can you?

[sharp prism]

its so useless

[zealous ridge]

because kb is too useless, and slots would always be used

and creep power more

[hollow shell]

Minion knockback is more useless than normal wep knockback

[tawny garden]

hey, KB isn't all that useless on Grand Dad

[hollow shell]

I don't know why it gets exclusive treatment a lotta the time

[tawny garden]

but is for everything else lol

[eternal escarp]

imagine a flamethrower with actual knockback

[tawny garden]

imagine changeable minion crits

[hot zephyr]

~~minion size scaling now ~~

[eternal escarp]

byeah, it is usefull for like most classes excluding summoner, although summoner gets it for some reason with a wierd emphesis ish ?

[dapper blaze]

crying

[hot zephyr]

Red, after snorting a line of cocaine at the 1.4 pitch meeting:

[dapper blaze]

still love how projectile crits are determined by the held item of a fucking player

[tawny garden]

a plane of cocaine, not a line

[dapper blaze]

same with armor penetration

[tawny garden]

cause even a line won't get him to say that

[hot zephyr]

individual projectile stats? what are you, stevie, reasonable?

[eternal escarp]

god, redcode is hilarious sometimes

[dapper blaze]

let's base everything off of the player that owns the projectile then convince mods to never bother setting the projectile's player's whoAmI when spawing a projectile

therefore fucking them in the ass

[tawny garden]

where else can you fuck?

[hollow shell]

Face

Next question.

[dapper blaze]

[tawny garden]

oh yeah next question:

@sharp prism how the fuck is that emote supposed to mean "huh"

also it's ugly and looks weird

[dapper blaze]

only dank understands

much better

[ashen warren]

it's just an image of a bird(parrot?), I don't see what possible uses it could have

[hollow shell]

Dank refused to provide a reason because he didn't need to

[ashen warren]

[tawny garden]

because of Mrrp

[dapper blaze]

because there is no reasoning, most funny animal emotes like that have no real emotion and you have to go off the name alone

you read the name so it's just "oh I see it means huh"

[eternal escarp]

:huh: would be ironically usefull here

[tawny garden]

not in that form

[dapper blaze]

^

an emote? sure it'd be useful

that emote? no.

[tawny garden]

just add the proper huh

[eternal escarp]

well yeah

[dapper blaze]

https://gyazo.com/0a696a53c80ba31f9156ed2f19ea7eb8.png no

[eternal escarp]

tbh i agree that that one exact image doesnt really convey the feeling of huh

[radiant meadow]

Please always include a reason in your suggestion as to why you think it should be added or considered.
This is still in the suggestion rules pin. Hold it against him and keep him at gunpoint.

[eternal escarp]

i like this idea

[tawny garden]

[eternal escarp]

lets do it

[dapper blaze]

why does dank have an alt here btw

[ashen warren]

I thought alts were banned

[tawny garden]

I also had an alt here

[dapper blaze]

@sharp prism dank please tell us how the fuck that emote is supposed to convey "huh"

[tawny garden]

I left the server tho

[dapper blaze]

because quite frankly, I don't see it

[radiant meadow]

Alts are only banned if they're used to punishment evade.

[ashen warren]

ah

[hollow shell]

This is new in the Don'ts

[eternal escarp]

oh

[tawny garden]

just unpin Mrrp tbh

[dapper blaze]

I know but without reasoning then there's no reason to add it

if no one else understands it

[tawny garden]

Mrrp's pin only has one still enforced rule, the one about reposts

other rules have already been repealed or amended by the doc

[radiant meadow]

Since when were these repealed or amended?

• Suggestions to add entire bosses will never be accepted.
• Suggestions to add new specific items will never be accepted

Or did we start allowing boss suggestions overnight? :)

[tawny garden]

bad wording

[dapper blaze]

let's allow boss suggestions but deny them all

[tawny garden]

or included in the doc

[tawny garden]

no

[hot zephyr]

Y E S

[tawny garden]

waste of effort

[hot zephyr]

Finally, our time has come, brothers!

[dapper blaze]

good.

[eternal escarp]

please dont, i can already sense the spam on "HIGH SUPREME SHREK" bosses with "300 ATTACKS"

[hot zephyr]

Astralgeldon Eye

[eternal escarp]

Astreye of cthulu

[tawny garden]

after seeing a lot of these, I might get my kitchen knife and go on a killing spree

don't get to that point please

[eternal escarp]

id prolly just be dissapointed at the sheer amount of bad ideas, and the sheer amount of decent ideas that will go to waste

[tawny garden]

90% of all ideas are shit iirc

[dapper blaze]

I'm way past disappointment when it comes to suggestions

[tawny garden]

...but you implement them in Cataclysm

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[hot zephyr]

That's how every Calamity add-on works, Philo.

[tawny garden]

fair

[dapper blaze]

I add some

[hot zephyr]

The biggest problem with suggestions is the equality of ideas; how revolutionary changes have to share spaces with bird emotes.

[dapper blaze]

a lot of suggestions aren't very awesome chad good

[tawny garden]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

i mean, some come from good places, but just arent good

and some are just generally bad

[tawny garden]

Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité

[sharp prism]

where ping

because birf look like huh

[tawny garden]

here damnit

[sharp prism]

bird*

[tawny garden]

answer the damn question

[tawny garden]

that doesn't answer it

[sharp prism]

that does

[tawny garden]

no, it doesn't

[sharp prism]

ok then

[tawny garden]

in no way does it look like "huh"

[radiant meadow]

I think gets that same message across much better.

[sharp prism]

well it does to me

[tawny garden]

it doesn't to literally everyone else

it just looks like a weird closeup of a bird

[sharp prism]

well then dont star it

[tawny garden]

in fact a better name for this emote would be ":heylookatme:"

[hollow shell]

:iamlookingdirectlyatyou:

[hot zephyr]

[sharp prism]

mm

[tawny garden]

in which case a better emote would be :youthinkyouresafe:

[hollow shell]

Can you try to formulate some reasoning for why we need this parrot emote even with the emotes we already have

[sharp prism]

mm sure

[hollow shell]

among them

[sharp prism]

oh

thats alot

nvm then it isnt needed

gone

[sturdy geyser]

we dont need any emote

we want them

[hollow shell]

alright

[tawny garden]

successfully bullied into a sugg removal yey

[hollow shell]

and yeah true, but still

s'just, redundant

[hot zephyr]

Trying to apply logic to emote suggestions is a waste of time when we literally have MS paint tier reshades

Only thing that matters is the stars, imo.

[hollow shell]

well that was a Fab executive decision iirc

[hot zephyr]

We've got like fourty billion echs as well.

[tawny garden]

yeah, it was

[sturdy geyser]

good

[hot zephyr]

Same with thonks

[tawny garden]

in Fargo's

[sharp prism]

^

[hot zephyr]

It's both

[tawny garden]

fargo is fear

[hot zephyr]

Fargo's emotes are great, though tbh

[hollow shell]

Here there's
two echs?

[sturdy geyser]

[hot zephyr]

[sharp prism]

[sturdy geyser]

yharonach is not an ech smh my head

[hot zephyr]

It's borderline

[hollow shell]

It is similar but not based on the same meme

[hot zephyr]

I know, it's the women yelling at cat

[hollow shell]

It's also not based.

[hot zephyr]

But I've seen them be used interchangeably

[sturdy geyser]

Ian does not fully grasp the art of

[hot zephyr]

What I'm trying to get at; is that we're using so few emote slots already we don't need to be too critical of new emotes.

[tawny garden]

until we use up too many slots

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't want something to be added that'll get very little use

[hot zephyr]

Contact me when that happens, Philo.

[sturdy geyser]

:HeyMF:

[tawny garden]

probably in 2026

[hot zephyr]

Half the emotes we already have are almost never used anyways

[hollow shell]

Exactly

That's not a good thing

[sturdy geyser]

[hot zephyr]

[dapper coral]

congratulations, you're like the third person to use creditreport

[hollow shell]

(sarg used that hulk one a lot, back in the day)

[hot zephyr]

There's already garbage that're both lower quality and less popular then suggested emotes.

[tawny garden]

:oceanspirit: is used exactly 0 times

[zealous ridge]

aw

[sturdy geyser]

😔

[zealous ridge]

its a good sprite, but agreeably a bad emote

[hot zephyr]

who has used

[tawny garden]

I have lol

[zealous ridge]

very few

[tawny garden]

and Rover

[hollow shell]

Twas the replacement for the sirenbab

which... maybe also got very little usage

And yeah I see on occasion

[dapper coral]

sirenbab requires nitro and therefore automatically gets a lot less usage

but also it didn't really mean anything, it just existed

[hot zephyr]

slot filler

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

9901 results for AAAAA

(mixed in with some spoken usages)

[sharp prism]

just give everyone nitro

[tawny garden]

Providab did some searching iirc

he has a doc

[hot zephyr]

Compiling emote garbage

[tawny garden]

which is a bit outdated now

[hot zephyr]

Emote suggestions are useless to me because I'll just throw any emote I like into a dump server

I feel like emote suggestions need to have their sized down image posted instead of the bigass high res versions

Because they take up way too much space

[sharp prism]

not everyone has nitro ian

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, ik.

[sharp prism]

in a perfect world you wouldnt need nitro but this isnt a perfect world

when i had nitro i did that though

[hot zephyr]

~~Did Pogu even need to take up suggestion space, it was immediately rushed to voting and immediately passed ~~

Nor was given any actual scrutiny even though we've had a higher quality, Calamity themed one for ages

[sharp prism]

only exists because merk is based

[sturdy geyser]

[tawny garden]

[sturdy geyser]

not commenting on the art, just as an emote

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I just don't like how it "jumped the line" and bypassed the 24 hr wait

[tawny garden]

some emote suggs do

remember peepoweird

[radiant meadow]

It's not my fault it jumped the line

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot zephyr]

Never blamed you

[tawny garden]

it immediately jumped every time

[radiant meadow]

therefore, we should torch Merk's home I mean what?

[sturdy geyser]

I am blaming Ben

[hot zephyr]

We're not torching Merk's home.

[sturdy geyser]

destroy him

he is a supporter

[hot zephyr]

We're also not destroying Ben.

[sturdy geyser]

this means war

[sharp prism]

🔥 burn

[tawny garden]

I'm still searchin'

[sturdy geyser]

I will now use

[hot zephyr]

Let's... not doxx people.

[ashen warren]

:|

[radiant meadow]

although tbh, emote suggestions as of recently I feel have been very borderline so to speak

[hot zephyr]

Ban emote suggestions

Or ban ones that're generic

[radiant meadow]

Like it's barely a suggestion to just throw in voting "Add X emote" attach image

[hot zephyr]

This is why we yell at Lilac until we get an emote contest.

[dapper coral]

emotes are just in a really weird place

[hot zephyr]

They're in a grey area, require no effort to make, and get a big advantage over regular suggestions (140 v 200)

They take up a lot of space, and force other ideas out of the front of the page.

[tawny garden]

that's why I was opposed
...but you can't really have a reason either

[dapper coral]

because 99% of them aren't cal related whatsoever and as such have no plausible reason to exist in the server
lately there have been a lot of "unique" ones that aren't even like, well-known like pogchamp or the peepo stuff and so have even less reasoning to exist here specifically

[sturdy geyser]

just make it so emote suggestions take 10,000 stars to pass the server has like 80,000 members

[ashen warren]

why do they have to be Calamity-related tho

[tawny garden]

yes but 99.9% of these don't talk here

[radiant meadow]

Being Cal-related is not a necessity but themed emotes are (usually) good

[hot zephyr]

tbh I prefer the original emotes just because in my case I already have all the generic emotes

[ashen warren]

I personally disagree

they might be good visually but they don't have the same impact as the original one

[radiant meadow]

they don't but then you have stuff like what was posted today

which isn't a well known emote in the first place

[ashen warren]

ok that suggestion is uhh

yea

[hot zephyr]

the huh emote was just a parody of a parody

out of all the original emotes, it's the weakest

IMO, emote suggestions need to be moved... but I'm not sure where

Or, at least need more restrictions

Easiest one would probably on the image size, to decrease the space they take up.

[dapper coral]

iirc in one of the last three times this convo has come up, someone suggested an emote contest but iban said that they did one in art and it was really bad

[ashen warren]

I don't feel like the space they take up is that big

it's almost as big as a normal suggestion

[hot zephyr]

But the extra space isn't needed

You aren't conveying any more information by having a bigass image.

[ashen warren]

well you're posting the emote

[hot zephyr]

Just shrink the size

[unreal viper]

Honestly, maybe there should be more standards. Lots of these emotes don’t do anything we don’t already have.

I actually don’t even know what emotes would add anything tbh

[radiant meadow]

iirc these were all the emotes that resulted from that contest

[hot zephyr]

You don't need a giant graphic for a 256 kb image

[tawny garden]

smh emote spam

[radiant meadow]

I gave myself permission.

checkmate

[hot zephyr]

A lot of those emotes are good though, Ben.

[radiant meadow]

never said they weren't

is good

[ashen warren]

I hate

[hot zephyr]

[radiant meadow]

oh yeah was also from the contest

[tawny garden]

oh, so it was good that I used it

[sleek girder]

god im at the 3rd layer of the abyss and no archerfish

[hot zephyr]

this is #suggestions-discussion

[tawny garden]

yes, it is

you get an A

[unreal viper]

[waxen bolt]

[unreal viper]

You get an o for off-topic

[hot zephyr]

[waxen bolt]

[tawny garden]

can a mod change my nickname to "Philo | CEO of offtopic"

[hot zephyr]

We've got to emote suggestions to just communicating in emotes. Topic?

Any opinions on my Arcane changes?

[sleek girder]

or my abyss one?

[hot zephyr]

There's no need to guarantee abyss weapons because they drop from abyss crates.

It's actually easier to just fish for them.

[waxen bolt]

I think that the abyss suggestion is a good idea but I personally liked the hunt for the weapon I was looking for

But that’s just me

[tawny garden]

@ Ian I'm not sure if scaling the boost will solve the problem though

[sleek girder]

yes but 1. fishing gets annoying and 2. im at the third layer of the goddamn abyss and i cant find the archerfish im looking for

[tawny garden]

fuck

[sleek girder]

wrong one buddy

[tawny garden]

pinged someone

wanted it to be a fake ping

[sleek girder]

and now im forced to fish for it and hope luck is on my side

[hot zephyr]

If you've hit the third layer, and you haven't found your weapon you probably missed a chest.

[sleek girder]

checked the map

[hot zephyr]

Use a spelunker

Sometimes they generate in weird spots.

[sleek girder]

i HAVE been

all of them are unlocked and on the map that arent third layer

even a few that are

[hot zephyr]

Good luck in the third layer... or just fish lol

[zealous ridge]

well, youve got to keep in mind

crates are getting nerfed on top of being annoying to get anyways

yields, fish chance, etc

i think those are the only two things really changing but yeah

of course, we dont exactly have the finer details regarding crate yield nerfs

but at least, the lower amounts of crates overall will make the experience more time consuming

not to mention, way less interesting

the way i see it crates should not be the easier solution anyways, exploring the abyss should be preferable to fishing in almost every case

why explore a new area (with new, unfamiliar dangers) when you could just play the lottery with no risk involved and essentially infinite attempts

[pine star]

That said, the lottery tickets are tedious to get

[zealous ridge]

id argue hardly

bait is purchaseable

post skele, i believe you get journeyman's

if not that, you at the least have apprentice's

not to mention, all the bait you get from other things that arent purchasing

(fireflies, other easy crates, quests if you do those)

[pine star]

You get Journeyman bait after WoF

Also the tedium refers to the experience of getting crates

[zealous ridge]

ah, thats what you mean

wiki says journeymans is after skele, but this may be outdated?

was referring to the chances of getting a crate at all, and yes, on top of that, the item you want is not guaranteed

[pine star]

It's outdated iirc

But yeah

[zealous ridge]

alright, i trust you

but either way, still have infinite chances

[tawny garden]

where

[pine star]

Enchanted nightcrawlers are better than journeyman bait

And are easy to get

[zealous ridge]

on the npc wiki page

[tawny garden]

ah

[zealous ridge]

where it lists merchant's stuff, yea

[tawny garden]

it's after NPC.downedBoss3

[radiant meadow]

which is skeletron

[tawny garden]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

ah, so not after wof

so wiki is correct

nice

[toxic basalt]

Also about the whole idea that boss zen should instead be on the horrified debuff during the WOF fight. Wouldn't a better idea be to have the wof gain immense speed when no players are present in the Underworld?

solves the aformentioned issue and also prevents cheesing

[zealous ridge]

may be worth noting, this is completely fixed in 1.4

so this would be a temporary solution

until the mod ports over

[toxic basalt]

perhaps

[pine star]

maybe

[toxic basalt]

then again, it'll be months until Tmod 1.4 rolls around

[zealous ridge]

of course, its just something to keep in mind

[toxic basalt]

yeah, yeah, ik

[zealous ridge]

right now, its worth implementing a temporary fix

having it tied to horrified sounds fine

[toxic basalt]

I can't submit it as a suggestion as it'll just be chaining a suggestion

[zealous ridge]

i also thought wall just gained speed when no one was in underworld anyways

[tawny garden]

it uh
might only sound

cuz I'm not sure if you can inflict a debuff based on another debuff

[toxic basalt]

isn't it fairly difficult to modify a vanilla debuff/buff?

[zealous ridge]

well, no

i just mean having horrified have the effect of boss zen, as well

[tawny garden]

ah

[zealous ridge]

thats what the suggestion was saying, right?

[tawny garden]

nah the sugg was more general

[toxic basalt]

"Make it so that wall of flesh doesn't give boss zen but the horrified debuff does."

[tawny garden]

...or not

maybe it was changed and I didn't notice

in any case, thing is, Boss Zen is like

inflicted if any boss is alive

[zealous ridge]

mhm

[toxic basalt]

that's the problem I was thinking of

[zealous ridge]

i have no idea how the code works, so youd have to school me on that

[sleek girder]

wall of flesh is no longer a boss

[toxic basalt]

it'll be hard for WOF to no longer inflict it

[zealous ridge]

like, is it just checking for bosses broadly speaking?

because, isnt martian saucer considered a boss?

[toxic basalt]

no

[zealous ridge]

and does it inflict boss zen?

[tawny garden]

yeah

[pine star]

yeah

[toxic basalt]

Martian Saucer is classed as a miniboss

wait...

[zealous ridge]

i mean in code

like, i was fairly sure it was literally just considered a boss

[toxic basalt]

well...his 2nd phase has a boss health bar...huh...

[zealous ridge]

because it was at one point affected by arma

which was patched because fuck that

[tawny garden]

Calamity set this.boss to false for the Martian Saucer

[toxic basalt]

oh nvm then

[zealous ridge]

and thats true in vanilla?

[toxic basalt]

I guess they covered that

[tawny garden]

in 1.3.5.3 it is

[zealous ridge]

so 1.4 changed this

alright

[hardy dock]

It’s in the Boss section of the bestiary

[tawny garden]

the Bestiary isn't exactly what I'd call a reliable source of this kind of information

[zealous ridge]

well, then what would be lol

[hardy dock]

Yeah, but Vanilla still counts it as a boss

Which is what I’m saying

[zealous ridge]

its hard to really differentiate because there are always exceptions

either way

[pine star]

yeah

[tawny garden]

souos would be

[pine star]

Like Betsy is both a boss and not a boss

[tawny garden]

and is

[zealous ridge]

im unsure, again, of how boss zen is even handled

[hardy dock]

Oh look at that I think we’re steering off topic

[tawny garden]

she ain't a boss in source

[zealous ridge]

if it checks for the "this.boss", as you mentioned, then it would be awkward to simply remove that tag for wof to remove boss zen

i see that potentially fucking with other code

as well

[toxic basalt]

weirdly on the wiki, the Saucer is classed as a Post-Golem Boss, whereas things like the Ice Queen are classed as mini-bosses

[hardy dock]

Terraria code is a mess

[zealous ridge]

no need to reiterate that, lmao

[hardy dock]

Even Betsy is a mini boss and she has a treasure bag

[zealous ridge]

very well known that its a spagetti pile of nothing

[toxic basalt]

Actually Betsy's classed as a Boss

[tawny garden]

she's not

[hardy dock]

Wait really?

That’s what I thought

[pine star]

Betsy is both a boss and not a boss

[tawny garden]

have you read redcode @toxic basalt

[pine star]

The Calamity dev AMA confirms this

[tawny garden]

the wiki is crap

lemme fix it

[toxic basalt]

I figured

(Wait Betsy has more health than Duke Fishron in Master Mode what the fu-)

[zealous ridge]

the groupings are arbitrary and hard to define, anyways

[toxic basalt]

ok I think we're derailing off topic a bit now

[hardy dock]

Definitely

But hey we have the CEO of off topic here

[pine star]

yeah

[hardy dock]

It was inevitable

[zealous ridge]

it’s fine, i was mostly just wondering the shit that could be fucked up by disabling boss zen on wof

Because on paper it sounds fine

[toxic basalt]

tl;dr Boss identification in Terraria is wack

[hardy dock]

Once Tmodloader 1.4.1 comes out it’ll fix itself

[zealous ridge]

essentially

[hardy dock]

Well, “once”

It’ll be a while

[pine star]

yeah

[tawny garden]

cool, I dethroned betsy

[hardy dock]

Miniboss is one word

At least in the wiki

[toxic basalt]

Might wanna also do it for the Saucer

[hardy dock]

Well

mini-boss

[tawny garden]

the links are weird

[hardy dock]

Yeah

[tawny garden]

wut

how is ML easy

[hot zephyr]

compared to PBG or deus, yeah

[unborn lantern]

in revengeance

he is easier than expert

[tawny garden]

although I haven't fought him in 11 months so I wouldn't know what he's like now

[hardy dock]

ML is in a good spot as is imo

[tawny garden]

PBG was much easier than ML

[unborn lantern]

for the final boss of the base game to be easy, it just doesnt make much sense

[unborn lantern]

oh boy things have changed

[hardy dock]

He isn’t the final boss of Calamity

He doesn’t need to be hard

[frail mantle]

i wouldn't say he's easier in Revengeance, more just that he's way more fair since the true eyes don't have the death rays and are actually in sync

[unborn lantern]

i know but he's the final boss of terraria

[unborn lantern]

calamity is meant to be hard though. also, this is a mode ABOVE EXPERT so it shouldn't be easier than expert

[hardy dock]

It isn’t

[unborn lantern]

?

[tawny garden]

but we're talking about calamity

and uhh

[unborn lantern]

fair, but it shouldn't be easier than the expert mode version

they could add something else

[hardy dock]

He’s still hard

[unborn lantern]

idk

[tawny garden]

Calamity is meant to be difficult, Atomguy

[hardy dock]

And he is difficult

[unborn lantern]

majority of people say he isn't

and i agree

[unreal viper]

Are you referring to vanilla expert ml menacing?

[unborn lantern]

because i have fought him multiple times on different playthroughs

whichever one has the eye beams

because ngl the eye beams removal was a good idea

they should just buff something else or add a new thing

(the floating eyes btw)

[sleek ore]

I beat deathmode moon lord I think 3rd try in my most recent playthrough, astrum deus took me about 5 hours and PBG took me 1 hour

[unborn lantern]

jeez 5 hours

[sleek ore]

astrum deus kicks my ass

I was using melee though

[unborn lantern]

so anyways this isnt #calamity-mod-talk

[sleek ore]

yeah I'm just saying that I agree with you that moon lord is too easy

[unborn lantern]

finally an idea that doesnt get wiped out in less than 5 minutes

[tawny garden]

lol

[sleek ore]

also for pbg I was using honey dew which made things much easier

[tawny garden]

although I wouldn't use the words "last boss" in the sugg tbh

[sleek ore]

probably would have taken longer if I didn't prepare as much

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes

More melee weapons

[sleek ore]

but I didn't prepare much for moon lord

[unborn lantern]

#calamity-mod-talk

[cobalt pewter]

As if it isn't have a gigaton of ass-clapping shit I guess

[sleek ore]

I am contributing to your suggestion

do you want me to or not

[cobalt pewter]

I'd like to see more exos of other class weapons first before seeing an exo spear

Because Fuck Melee™ essentially lol!

[sleek ore]

I liked that sugg earlier about adding an auric crystalline upgrade

that would solve two problems simultaneously

[unborn lantern]

oh i thought you were just talking about stuff mb

[cobalt pewter]

@unborn lantern you know that ML isn't the final boss in Calamity right?

[sleek ore]

I mean it should be hard for the same reason WoF is hard

it's a major gate in progression

[unborn lantern]

i know but it still should be hard

not too hard but still on the calamity level

edited to clear it up

[cobalt pewter]

Indeed

I personally like ML the way it is atm, fuck the true eyes laser

It was not fair in anyway

[tawny garden]

the whole fight is kinda

[cobalt pewter]

I would love for cal to iron out existing unfairness left from vanilla dumbfuckery first before making it harder

[tawny garden]

flaky

[sleek ore]

I mean the true eyes laser was awful but I think that's just the ironing out you're talking about feedzuh

it's now better

much better

[tawny garden]

there's too much shit in the fight

[cobalt pewter]

I'm personally disgusted with the amount of Phantasmal Eyes around

But ig

[unborn lantern]

eh i find it easy

[sleek ore]

it really helps that they don't home for 7 years anymore though

[unborn lantern]

just go up and down, occasional RoD for the deathray

and run one direction

[sleek ore]

it's less a cloud of death and more an even spread of pretty fun-to-dodge projectiles if you're running in one direction

[radiant meadow]

there used to be 9 phantasmal eyes in rev+ at once so you better not complain

[unborn lantern]

im sorry NINE??

[radiant meadow]

9

[unborn lantern]

N I N E

WHAT

[sleek ore]

don't get me wrong, moon lord is a good fight, very fun

he just gets flattened

[radiant meadow]

(like 2.5-3 years ago probably)

[unborn lantern]

bruhhh

[radiant meadow]

was more like 6 max around two years ago

[hot zephyr]

God, I remember nine true eyes

[pine star]

what was hell like?

[unborn lantern]

just search up moon lord revengeance calamity

and look for old ones

[tired haven]

It gazed right into your soul
With nine eyes

[unborn lantern]

oh yay CrabBar

[tired haven]

I'd also like to note that "difficulty" of vanilla ML is much cheaper, so when Calamity adjusts it to tone down on that, it may inevitably feel easier because it doesn't slap you in the face

[sleek hornet]

in my opinion, moon lord is just lacking of clear attack pattern, so sometimes there is 2 hard attack in the same time

[tired haven]

2 attacks at the time happen so often that seeing 3 is not impossible either

[sleek hornet]

yeah, exctly like that

[pine star]

Also hello CrabBar

[golden narwhal]

There's a pattern for each hand/eye, they just aren't coordinated to work together at all

[pine star]

[sleek girder]

insert fanboy screaming here hello

[sleek turret]

hello mr. true melee memery man.

at all let me see the sugg.

uhh, maybe just a little bit harder on moonlord.

ml still kills me.

[toxic basalt]

I don't think MoonLord needs any changes at all, because if we further buffed him, he'll just become an extremely BS boss

and that'll just warrant further dependancy of the nurse

[golden narwhal]

It is possible to buff him in a way that doesn't BS the fight

[toxic basalt]

@golden narwhal The way I could think is a slight change of Ai instead of just a flat dmg/health buff

[sleek turret]

Moon Lord could be buffed in the certain way it becomes less bullshit and makes it 'beefier'

[golden narwhal]

ofc it shouldn't be a straight-up stat buff

That wouldn't change much

[tawny garden]

ok @zealous ridge the player gets Boss Zen if areThereAnyDamnBosses is true, which is set to true if any of the 200 NPCs has boss set to true
so I dunno if that sugg is really possible

[zealous ridge]

okay, hm

Are coded exceptions fucking asinine to deal with, then?

[toxic basalt]

"areThereAnyDamnBosses"

[tawny garden]

yeah, that is the variable name

[radiant meadow]

It could probably be changed if I tried hard enough.

[sleek hornet]

i thought Ben will throw him to a volcano

[zealous ridge]

Because, I’m just thinking, you could make an exception for wof or through some other method like “horror check”

if a player has horrified ,they wouldn’t be given zen

but, that would still mean zen apply away from the boss....

so I guess it would just check for any player having horrified in MP

[tawny garden]

not everyone is playing MP

[zealous ridge]

yuh

I guess it would be less fucked to deal with if the code accounted for mp

but at the same time, dunno if It would save on useless clauses because who the fuck knows what would be affected by this shit

[sleek turret]

about the gizmo pack upgrade.

yes.

I need it.

even though I use cheat sheet and LuiAFK for arenas.

but its nice for people who don't have these mods installed.

[pine star]

That sugg is great

Also hello Shyguymask

[sleek hornet]

it has been suggested before #suggestions-voting message

[tawny garden]

was a long time ago

[pine star]

That said, that was 5 months ago

[tawny garden]

but I do remember

[sleek hornet]

Philo doesnt remeber the remember

[tawny garden]

[pine star]

[hot zephyr]

We just need more building accessories in general.

[tired haven]

Making building process not a slog would definitely be a great addition

there is little to no reason why blocks take like 10 frames to be placed even with gizmo

[hot zephyr]

Just make the Grand Design but for blocks

Let me place an entire line of blocks

[tawny garden]

qol mods

[dapper coral]

luiafk has a funny for that, dunnit?

and probably plenty of other mods

[cobalt pewter]

Me when

Me when cheat sheet to not slog through Dungeon arena

😳

[hot zephyr]

LuiAFK is garbage and if we're going by that logic let's delete Archaic Powder

[pine star]

ambrosial ampoule material intensifies

[mighty knot]

@glass arch I feel like making AGP ingredients craftable/not rng based would be necessary before that becomes an option

[zealous ridge]

That’s true

[crude geode]

That’s kinda a different problem tbh

[mighty knot]

fine

[zealous ridge]

It is, but still related

If there’s gonna be an upgrade more people are going to go out of their way to get it

Which means more people will wait for merchant over and over

assuming they’re getting bad inventories

so, definitely a point of consideration, but not required in the suggestion methinks

[hot zephyr]

Iron Heart is just funny Hollow Knight referent.

It's been changed so much it doesn't even resemble the things it's referencing

[patent nimbus]

its a legit game mode tho

[hot zephyr]

It's a gimmick

[pine star]

It used to be literally Steel Soul

[heady lichen]

I still feel like it would feel nice, I would certainly enjoy that kind of run

and I have a feeling that quite a few others would as well

[zealous ridge]

if im not mistaken, you dont even have to look past pre-boss to get a healing method here

monstrous knives, right?

[pine star]

yes

[zealous ridge]

really, iron heart is gimmicky to a greater degree

but, at the least, this change would make ignoring the primary downside more difficult...?

its still just, strangely done honestly

less steel soul and more joni's blessing

which, its still a pretty far cry from in some aspects

not to really argue that iron heart before this was any better

it was soft-hardcore

so, as far as i'm concerned this suggestion is fine

[pine star]

Admittedly, Steel Soul is hardcore in that they're both permadeath

[zealous ridge]

but still just, its such a strange mode that i wouldnt be surprised if a better solution is just not having it be like this

they are

which is why i dont see the need for a hollowknight reference

like, at all

its either going to be a reference that adds a completely redundant feature

or its not going to be like what it's referencing

[pine star]

yeah

[hot zephyr]

Sayonara Iron Heart

[zealous ridge]

you might as well just add a cosmetic item that changes the design of your hearts, that's all it needs to be

[pine star]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

because the reference already functionally exists

its reference for the sake of a reference, which is just annoying

its a problem with the rare item variants

[patent nimbus]

it still has the function of allowing certain accessories to be used easier

[hot zephyr]

More specifically, the ranged RIVs

[zealous ridge]

you mean, the lack of regen allowing activation of health threshhold effects?

[patent nimbus]

yes

[zealous ridge]

...why should that be easy to utilize anyways

[patent nimbus]

bc who uses those accessories otherwise

[hot zephyr]

Because no hitting lol

[zealous ridge]

thats the entire point of having them be under a health threshold, no?

okay, fair point

vexation sucks

but thats not a good solution either

[distant vault]

profaned soul crystal enrage

[zealous ridge]

if a no regen mode really needs to exist, its so far disconnected from hollowknight that i have to question why it references it at all

[patent nimbus]

we're not discussing the reference

we're discussing the item's function

[zealous ridge]

well, that was part of my point, but entirely based off of function

[hot zephyr]

It's now less of a difficulty modifier and more a way to cheese accessories

[zealous ridge]

yes, thats the issue there

[hot zephyr]

Put regen scaling in the config and yeet the item

[zealous ridge]

why not have it be an accessory, if not a config?

[hot zephyr]

what

[zealous ridge]

well, i just mean, like, no regen

[hot zephyr]

Nobody is going to use an accessory

Just make it a config

[zealous ridge]

if not a config, at least

[ashen warren]

determination breaker

[zealous ridge]

was just really bringing up an alternative (albeit, a wacky one)

determination breaker is also a strange case

and i disagree with the fact that no one would use an accessory but like

i see it as a moot point regardless

the idea is that it really just shouldnt be a difficulty modifier, if its gonna exist in some capacity then make it a config, or a mechanic with something else

i mean, omega blue cancels positive regen, no?

[patent nimbus]

yes but the tentacles still heal

even with iron heart

[zealous ridge]

yeah, which is my point

of course, i dont think anyone would just use an accessory that disables life regen

like... that sounds so useless and whats the point

either way, id have to ask what kind of odds an iron heart removal/reworking suggestion would even have to get to voting, let alone get a star count reasonable enough to consider the idea

i feel there's already an aversion to touching the thing, given it works pretty much fine as is

[patent nimbus]

i dont see a real reason to remove

[zealous ridge]

and its been reworked before

[patent nimbus]

it serves A purpose, even if that purpose is weak

[zealous ridge]

its why i mentioned reworking as well, yeah

[patent nimbus]

and i dont see the point on removing the mode and nerfing the accessories

[zealous ridge]

im completely okay with some of its purpose being moved to other places, mostly

the accessories, if anything, are being fixed

[patent nimbus]

let ppl play how they want to play, theres no reason to completely remove it

[zealous ridge]

i feel that the accessories that benefit/only function reasonably at all under a certain hp should just not have that kind of functionality

if the first thing people are going to do is try and cheese it

[pine star]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

or, just, not make it possible to cheese it, you know?

[patent nimbus]

its not really cheese when you risk dying very quickly, is it?

[pine star]

IMO Necklace of Vexation should give higher damage boosts as your health gets lower

[zealous ridge]

to me, that's hard to argue, GP

let me collect my thoughts though

[patent nimbus]

i just feel like those kinds of tradeoffs are perfectly fine

if you want to have a high dps but die in 2 shots, go ahead

[zealous ridge]

okay, as do I

what im thinking more about here is, well, the fact that its a difficulty mode

[patent nimbus]

iron heart helps assist in that playstyle

[zealous ridge]

like, something you toggle on and off

i dont see why it has to be an item you use, exactly

its just, odd

like, if its function primarily is assisting in low health threshold playstyles

then, why is there a upper and lower bound damage mechanic

for example

[patent nimbus]

u mean stuff that gives a buff for being above a hp % but also gives a different benefit for being below a certain hp %?

[zealous ridge]

no no

i mean the secondary feature of iron heart

namely, damage received having a lower bound dependent on your max hp

the iron heart wiki page details this, as well as the item description (somewhat)

"enemy damage scales with your max health"

[patent nimbus]

oh, that

yeah, it is a rather odd feature

[zealous ridge]

the inclusion of this seems to imply that this is a mode you should have on for a challenge, on top of the lack of regen, right?

because, as a tradeoff for losing regen, you have these mechanics for taking damage

[patent nimbus]

seems like it

[zealous ridge]

so, i ask, then, what is the point of this idea here if the item is most useful for its other, downside mechanic?

[hot zephyr]

Remove defiled crits, as well.

[zealous ridge]

like, its a bit awkward

defiled crits are a bit.. strange

[patent nimbus]

i could see the enemy damage thing being removed from iron heart

as well as defiled crits

[pine star]

yeah

[patent nimbus]

it seems like a rather unrelated combo of things

[pine star]

Wings being clipped is good enough for defiled

[ashen warren]

isn't defiled getting killed anyways

[hot zephyr]

think so

[pine star]

There's going to be a Defiled Feather soon™️

Source: Ozzatron request in Calart

[hot zephyr]

le Favorited Inventory Item has arrived

[zealous ridge]

something like that, actually

has the idea been brought up in that fashion?

because i hadnt heard anything about that before, yet iban said it was an item similar to ball n chain

you know

these effects seem more like curses than difficulty modes at this point

when i say curses im thinking of the configs for bossrush

and, when i say theyre similar i dont mean that they should be exclusive to boss rush

[patent nimbus]

i could see that

[zealous ridge]

maybe, if curses get expanded past the simple realm of configurations, they could be usable items ...?

that have an effect, outside of bossrush

[patent nimbus]

move defiled and iron heart to be curses and make curses last for the whole game

[pine star]

Defiled isn't a curse

[zealous ridge]

well, it isnt, no

[patent nimbus]

it could be tho

[pine star]

Iron Heart is a curse

[zealous ridge]

but, in function its similar

how are you defining curses here?

[marble hazel]

Defiled gives bobux so i wouldnt say its a curse

[zealous ridge]

well, that much is true

[marble hazel]

Iron Heart on the other hand

[zealous ridge]

increasing drop chances

[pine star]

Defiled I would say is more of a "Get that RoD easily" item

[patent nimbus]

just fish

[marble hazel]

Defiled has always been a bobux toggle for me

[pine star]

i fish already but I hate fishing in the hallow

[zealous ridge]

the two effects are completely unrelated in any case

i mean, why keep defiled with all its current effects as one curse, yknow?

the dropchance toggle could be seperate from anything related to flighttime, but affect something else

for instance, perhaps dropchance cancels money drops

[patent nimbus]

that could be interesting

i like that idea

[pine star]

interesting

[marble hazel]

More risk more reward?

[zealous ridge]

yeah, i agree with that

but why would clipping my wings make me find rare items easier

[marble hazel]

Except drop chance / bobux isnt really a worthy reward for getting cucked in hm

[pine star]

BoB would like to talk to you

[zealous ridge]

this is a very theoretical discussion, in any case

its pretty different from the current system

[pine star]

yeah

[marble hazel]

Imo they should make defiled give more rewards because wings play a MASSIVE role in hm

but i cant think of anything lo

[zealous ridge]

if its gonna stay like how it is right now, i agree

but, ill keep tabs on this curse idea and leave it at that

[pine star]

yeah

[marble hazel]

Alrighttttttt

[pine star]

The idea of curses is very interesting

[zealous ridge]

if theres no suggestions that will be made in the foreseable future, its hard to justify talking about it here

[pine star]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

mostly, i just wonder if anything like it would be deemed too large in scope

because it is essentially asking for an entire system of difficulty modifiers

but, yknow, ill keep a doc with ideas in it for reference

if the opportunity comes up to ask about it, ill bring it back to here for a sec

[weak field]

Oh boi here we go again

[zealous ridge]

more lategame armors?

hmm

[weak field]

Probably stuff like omega blue

[zealous ridge]

i mean, this isnt really a terrible suggestion

i think more armors like this should be the norm, rather than what is currently

[lofty pulsar]

I hope its not a terrible suggestion

[zealous ridge]

silva/godslayer being the same tier and having a bit more specificity with their utility

is certainly going to help this idea

"somewhat"

[weak field]

It's a good idea at least

And it doesn't break any rules

[zealous ridge]

yeah, so

[lofty pulsar]

I was just browsing the class setup on the wiki and noticed it gets really dry post moonlord

[zealous ridge]

formatting i think could be worked on, mostly

[weak field]

I'm all for more armor

[zealous ridge]

yes, more armor is agreeable

[weak field]

It would match the weapon variety post-moonlord

[zealous ridge]

yknow, the most i could see being altered here is grammar

otherwise, the points and suggestion itself have no real issues

[lofty pulsar]

Ya tons of weapons and accessories but not too many armors imo

[zealous ridge]

some may be opposed to a suggestion like this because of its scale

[weak field]

We'll just take it slow

[zealous ridge]

but, i think its broad enough

[weak field]

1.5 is going to be a massive update anyway

[zealous ridge]

yeah

ill wait for any other mods/devs to comment on this

[weak field]

Having more choice than auric tape for scal is going to be pretty nice

[zealous ridge]

before i pitch my thoughts further, because i completely agree with the idea but am unsure of how it would fly

[hardy dock]

How do you make a set as good as Auric without making it better than Demonshade?

[cobalt pewter]

By reworking auric

Because auric is kinda cheap imo atm iirc

[hardy dock]

It definitely needs a rework

[distant vault]

Fearmonger

[hardy dock]

Ehh

[cobalt pewter]

Auric needs reskins first imo

Currently it rips off material armor sets with no shame down to sprites

It's like that homework meme

[hardy dock]

Lmao

[hot zephyr]

Draedon armor

[hot zephyr]

Just wait until God Slayer bites the dust

[cobalt pewter]

Nah God Slayer will have ppshitter mobility

Not something that will "bite za dusto"

[unreal viper]

But those auric armors will lose all revives

Not having both will balance it but doesn’t make a rework unnecessary.

[cobalt pewter]

Don't try to pull off "you get what I'm saying?" thing

Instead, try to find a relevant example of how the bubble should be treated

!wiki tgc:Shark Bait

[red storm]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Shark_Bait

[cobalt pewter]

There's an example to go off of

[wintry wharf]

fine, i'll revise it.

revised.

[zealous ridge]

Ah, this is something shark bait does? I didn’t know that lol

[wintry wharf]

yea

[zealous ridge]

To be fair, I hate how the thing looks

[wintry wharf]

you aren't wrong

it looks like it's staring into your soul

[cobalt pewter]

It has one of the worst references as well

[zealous ridge]

Stupid reference, yeah

That would be nice for ghost bell, regardless

[cobalt pewter]

Some of 1.4's refs are dumb and outdated ones

[tawny garden]

There's generally no reason

I came to bully you

[zealous ridge]

what is wrong with this?

[tawny garden]

write a reason or die

[zealous ridge]

what

are you... joking?

I thought that was the reason

[tawny garden]

...or I misunderstood

[cobalt pewter]

smh philo

[zealous ridge]

that there isn’t a good reason for a bubble to encase the jellyfish if it’s underwater anyways

[cobalt pewter]

Wtf

[zealous ridge]

also that’s a scary picture please refrain lol

[tawny garden]

in which case sorry

[zealous ridge]

No need for reaction images, emotes work fine

yeah, I think the reasoning is ok

Well, it’s less disruptive at least

dunno about how it flies with moderators, mostly