#suggestions-discussion
earnest cape
ashen warren
read the
heady storm
It applies whenever you fight the boss in general, not just when trying to nohit.
ashen warren
hit discussion
heady storm
@plain river
heady storm
Change it to a fight in general for the love of hit please.
sleek ore
because it is completely true that that makes fighting the boss in general a chore
the only good thing about it is that you can use the rest of the time that it takes crossing the underworld to extend your arena while boss zen is still active
if you haven't made a bridge across all of hell yet that is
river glen
What about increase the use time of vanilla summons
so u dont have to spend 12 years
summoning them
or just grant them autoswing
sleek ore
I like that idea
you should probably specify vanilla summon in the sugg title @river glen
hollow shell
@plain river You know you can break the box, right? It's only like 20 blocks
(you seem quite peeved about that bit)
plain river
really annoying to do that when they're spread out across a large space
also takes time away from actually fighting the boss
plain river
also how do you use heros mod despawn thing
tranquil perch
What about increase the use time of vanilla summons
There's a mod called "Minion summon improvements" and it does exactly that
Just so you know
sleek ore
also @worthy lintel you could mention that having WoF not despawn when it kills you encourages cheese
because it absolutely does
ashen warren
wrong ping?
worthy lintel
wrong ping but it doesnt make him less right
sleek ore
wait who suggested that then
worthy lintel
it was Zordalan
sleek ore
oh it's because that guy doesn't have a frickin pfp
I thought that was still your message
ancient mirage
laughs in light mode
cobalt pewter
chuckles in AMOLED dark
sleek ore
this is a threat
sleek ore
don't worry guys he's only hurting himself
worthy lintel
no, light mode creates a miniature sun
sleek ore
@plain river read above, I pinged spider pee pee
glass sentinel
river glen
@tranquil perch huh? never heard of it
its also just a better QoL experience in calamity
if u dont have it
tranquil perch
Well it exists
So
I thought i should let you know
Since it's what you are asking for
sleek ore
just don't use vanilla summons 😎
jk
in all seriousness though I've never liked stardust dragon
xeno and cell staff are good
terraprisma is amazing
gaunt quest
sleek ore
worth
cobalt pewter
Also it can be mentioned that some lores can increase item grab range (WoF and Plantera), so in certain cases they don't even need to dip into lava
violet dagger
i still want scal arena type ones that break once they're off screen
glass sentinel
i think this sugg has been made already
hot zephyr
Literally only white text-color items and below can burn, no need for protection on endgame gear
I'm like 99% sure the box is only there so you can farm the building block; but that could drop from the treasure bag
glass sentinel
like with doggo, he drops cosmolite bricks
sand umbra
I'm like 99% sure the box is only there so you can farm the building block
see, that'd make sense
...if Profaned Rock was post-Provi. it ain't
(you only need Unholy Essence for it, not Divine Geodes)
summer sentinel
I partially agree with that sugg, the box for the hallow kill can be removed but the hell one should stay imo just in the off chance that the loot falls into lava and then ends up falling "past" the lava offscreen (which iirc it does do that when it hits bottom of map)
on top of this, could just make the box smaller like how wof's box is
dapper coral
tbf who fights providence right at the end of the map/at the bottom of hell
and the only items that'll get lost in lava would be money, which even comes out of the treasure bag in expert+ i think? so there is nothing lost if you remove the boxes
verbal plank
just put a thick line on the bottom
or have a little box that spawns ala wall of flesh
sand umbra
byeah there's like nothing to lose by removing the box outright
cobalt pewter
Mhm
hot zephyr
rip my sad box collection in hell
pallid nest
d
heady storm
@pallid nest Can you not post random stuff in posting please.
ashen warren
Chetto can you check their message history please
pallid nest
i removed it long time ago @heady storm
hot zephyr
Y'know what Providence needs? A sound effect for when she's charging up the twin lasers
hot zephyr
The profaned guardians beg to differ
cobalt pewter
erase guardians
hot zephyr
There's a handful of changes that need to be done to the providence fight, most notably a sound effect on the twin-laser and to make the darkness more subtle or replace it outright with a warning that DOESN'T make you roleplay Daredevil lmao
glass sentinel
the lasers telegraph is fine
cobalt pewter
Plague Reaper armor already makes me daredevil
hot zephyr
No it isn't
heady storm
Yeah just muted.
cobalt pewter
😔
glass sentinel
she slows down sooooo much
hot zephyr
Except when she's off screen to begin with as you're focusing the donuts
And then you get clipped by a laser
golden narwhal
That's a guardians' issue 
summer sentinel
while you'd be correct Demik, it's still something to account for on the off chance of when it happens
hot zephyr
~~erase guardians~~
honestly though, they either fuck up your adrenaline or get instantly vaporized. they make the fight really awkward
summer sentinel
Now making provi's items float work but then you have the question of the treasure bag
hot zephyr
especially in the cocoon phases
Treasure bag too, we packed that bitch with helium
Ironically more valuable than Providence's other drops
dapper coral
while you'd be correct Demik, it's still something to account for on the off cha...
there's no point in accounting for 0.000001% chance, which this basically is
if you decide to fight providence at the edge of the entire world, that's on you
hot zephyr
I've literally been playing this mod for years, never lost Providence's gear
Mainly because I fight her in hell second
summer sentinel
(meme) but fair enough, if losing gear isn't an issue then sure, the boxes can be gone entirely then
My question is what happens to profaned blocks then which are needed for crafting since idr if you can just craft them ?
hot zephyr
Or just make the loot drop above the player's head
hot zephyr
For all 0 people that build with Providence furniture
summer sentinel
oh yeah you can craft profaned rock, nvm then it can go
hot zephyr
Until Fabsol implements the funny profaned biome I'm not interested in rock themed after the worst post-ml boss
summer sentinel
The stuff doesn't even need to float, it can just go, though doesn't the items still fall offscreen in lava rather than hitting the bottom?
hot zephyr
Should've used platforms
Funny man that used the funny actuators in his no-hit gets punished
dapper coral
i mean yes it'll probably fall into lava but it's post-ML, if you a) don't have at least 7 seconds of lava immunity from tracers or b) don't have enough health to stand in lava for 3 seconds then what are you doing lmao
basically it's a non-issue
hot zephyr
If you aren't using Celestial Tracers against Providence I'm going to question your mental health and aptitude
summer sentinel
yes to both which is true, so I suppose there is no downside issue then huh? In that case, then the boxes can just be gone entirely and have no abhorrent downsides
hot zephyr
Yes
summer sentinel
fighting providence with: frostspark boots and water walking potions, gaming
hot zephyr
Doesn't really bother me, I never fight Providence more than absolutely necessary
summer sentinel
I can personally tell you while I was testing weps on providence, the amount of boxes I got in the hallow were, yeah, a tad annoying, so I'm for this sugg
hot zephyr
flashback to my melee PT where I got frustrated with pre-R&D providence and just did polter instead
summer sentinel
Ha, and then polter got absolutely changed to destroy you
summer sentinel
she's a literal goddess, of course she's going to be difficult
hot zephyr
and tbh it's not impossible to do polter pre-provi, if you can kill SW
I might make a suggestion to nerf The Storm because it's fucking INSANE
summer sentinel
true, as long as you can survive the lightning or dodge, but yeah, not to get too off topic: Good sugg, hopefully it gets passed since the boxes themselves are also a bit big, making them intrusive
you could, since storm is stormbow EX
hot zephyr
It's Stormbow pre-both Calamity and 1.4 nerfs on mega-roids
It's technically pre-providence and can hold it's own vs DoG
Which, the prog-skipper in me loves, but the math nerd in me hates.
summer sentinel
I resonate with the latter portion in that, but yeah, if you write the suggestion, would also be a good mention to show how well it works on the future bosses, just realize that's getting changed with the postml power curve flattening, so your sugg might just become invalid
hot zephyr
That's exactly why I'm going to be waiting. Seems like post-ml is going to be radically different
I'm assuming crit-chance is gonna get fuckin demolished because holy hell does Ranger get hella crits
What do you think of Hydre's sugg. About vanilla summoner weapons getting increased swing speed?
hot zephyr
I dunno lmao
summer sentinel
Yes, you'd be surprised
hot zephyr
I've got an alternate idea for that sugg
summer sentinel
unsure about the crit-chance getting "demolished", let me read their sugg
hot zephyr
Make all summon staves swing faster the longer you hold down the swing button
serene fox
why not just flat out increase their base speed?
summer sentinel
I feel like, this suggestion has something to do with a TML issue, but that might've been the issue with how you can't place summons on top of bosses, but anyways..... the summon weps can be given autoswing probably yeah, as for faster summoning, unsure on that
serene fox
they did it with calamity summons so I can't see why they can't do it with vanilla ones
hot zephyr
Y'know maybe this is just a nitpick... but I don't understand how people can put in the effort in thinking up a suggestion just to write it up in poor wording, bad grammar, and a lack of punctuation.
frail mantle
some people just don't have good grammar
summer sentinel
yeah, just look at me
sly flax
What do you guys think about being able to toggle rocket boots on and off on the frostspark and lightning boots?
serene fox
why
sly flax
I hate the rocket boots makes it genuinely harder to dodge
serene fox
that's
frail mantle
honestly as long as i can understand what they're trying to say i don't think bad grammar in a suggestion is that bad
serene fox
the first time I've ever seen someone complain about rocket boots
summer sentinel
Is it because the rocket foots effect is too slow and inhibits your movement? I can see that but also, not at the same time
hot zephyr
There's a difference between using grammar in a chatroom and one in a suggestion you want to implement to a huge mod
summer sentinel
I think they mean horizontal movement Brue, say, if you don't use a dash, not vertical
sly flax
and I never get to use the double jump because of it
serene fox
yeah ik lauren 
hot zephyr
I'd like to be able to toggle the wing portion of the Seraph Tracers just so I can run Tarragon wings and boots.
frail mantle
it makes the sugg feel a tiny bit unfinished but i don't think it should make the suggestion invalid or anything
serene fox
still a bit of an odd complaint
sly flax
yeah pretty much lauren
summer sentinel
from your wording Brue, it looked like you only meant the vertical aspect 
golden narwhal
Don't double jumps proc before boot flight
summer sentinel
yes, all jumps do
ashen warren
The only problem is that the difference in speed between rocket boots and double jumps but usually rocket boots is used last
sly flax
I just wanna use the lightning boots cause 4 more mps is worth
frail mantle
the point of the Tracer line is the convenience of not having to use two accessory slots on both wings and boots, in exchange for the actual wing part not having too amazing stats
golden narwhal
and I never get to use the double jump because of it
I don't understand this then
sly flax
the armor set jumps don't proc before boots
golden narwhal
That makes more sense, ig
hot zephyr
I just want runspeed and the wing set bonuses
sly flax
also sucks having your momentum killed by 1 sec of boots
frail mantle
you can choose to not have as much run speed and just do Treads+better wings, but then you lose out on one accessory slot
serene fox
why doesn't statis jump apply before rocket boots
hot zephyr
Aren't Seraph/Elysian/Celestial tracers faster than Treads?
frail mantle
yes
hot zephyr
Yeah
sly flax
having the jump apply first or toggle either one works really
hot zephyr
It'd be nice if you could just... disable the wing portion of the tracers and use a set of wings instead
sly flax
I assume jump first is easier
frail mantle
therefore you have to choose between really good wings and slightly below average run speed, and decent wings with high run speed
cobalt pewter
the point of the Tracer line is the convenience of not having to use two accesso...
The point of tracer line is that tracer bad
The line invalidates most pml wings
hot zephyr
There's a few wings that're nice
Tarragon, Silva
who uses providence/drew's wings though
serene fox
when do drew's get synergy with auric
hot zephyr
Never
serene fox
sad
cobalt pewter
I prefer drew because of more flight time tbh
golden narwhal
having the jump apply first or toggle either one works really
The "jumps applying first" sounds better imo not because I have a bias towards toggles
hot zephyr
Flight time is a meme stat, just use minecart rails and hooks
frail mantle
i sometimes like to use Drew's wings for SCal instead of Celestial Tracers
sly flax
I would like toggle tho, you get a weird momentum cancel if you use boots for a couple frames only
cobalt pewter
I generally don't fucking bother with making a scal arena
hot zephyr
Even then, flight time ain't that great
hot zephyr
SCAL Arena? More like a platform with Fabsol's Bed Bath and Beyond candles
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
Or fill it with minecart rails if you haven't seen the sun in a few weeks
sly flax
but yeah is my idea fine?
golden narwhal
Ye
serene fox
isn't the most recent one in posting due to a tmodloader bug
serene fox
hot zephyr
serene fox
@cold cosmos yeah nothing much calamity do about that one
also it sort of maybe kinda balances around said limitation
hot zephyr
le Summoner's Association has arrived
serene fox
you can also just use that ye
cobalt pewter
Byeah, I feel like scal is definitely winnable without any arena stuff, not that I don't appreciate ppl who are taking their sweet time doing it
hot zephyr
Like I said, there's two SCAL arena designs
serene fox
there's nohitter arena and platform
hot zephyr
Bed, Bath, and Beyond showcase, and Minecart hell
frail mantle
calamity resummon fuckery is because of tMod iirc
or at least i think Ozz mentioned in dev that it is
cobalt pewter
Then there's nothingness, only spawning scal in the blank sky while riding brimrose
summer sentinel
okay now this suggestion I'm almost sure of was a TML bug that needs to be fixed first
serene fox
why would you do that to yourself
summer sentinel
Modded summons don't summon right on top of the boss because yeah, modded, and vanilla spaghetti code
hot zephyr
cobalt pewter
This way my scal mindset is mostly pure on dodging, sometimes just clapping nearby arena blocks with bobbit hook to reset flight time when needed
summer sentinel
Suggestion is still valid it's just, nothing on cal's end can be done to fix it due to it being a tml issue
hot zephyr
Calamity needs more hooks
serene fox
a hook more broken than bobbit 
hot zephyr
Gimme a hook that pulls enemies closer
summer sentinel
I'll delete you rn because I'm not balancing that
hot zephyr
I can CBT for you
summer sentinel
nice try but no
cobalt pewter
And I don't need to think about when to use NR, or whether I should use fab's fancy candles in the fight, not much of those extra thoughts
hot zephyr
Worth a shot, eh?
summer sentinel
Why not
cobalt pewter
tho I do acknowledge the benefits of thickening walls for scal arena, and I'd probably do it if I'm not lazy
hot zephyr
hook that only attaches to bosses, pulls you in rapidly
summer sentinel
Yeah, it just takes a while to thicken the walls but it does improve the fight in terms of dodging, but that's more based on nohit logic I think since most people don't over-thicken arenas like that
hot zephyr
A lot of thought when cal summoner turns SCAL into paste
summer sentinel
at most they might do like, 5 to 10 block thickness
cal summoner does good work for SCal unless you're pole warpers, sadly pole warpers do subpar on scal
cobalt pewter
Yeah, people would probably test out with 10 block thickness at most
hot zephyr
God I can't wait until Calamity 1.4 comes out just so I can suggest summoner changes
Last time I played cal summoner was pre R&D
I just slapped a bunch of nuggets down and some bigass fuckin worm
hot zephyr
No
hot zephyr
Monkey's paw, the hit cap is back. Now all bh1-4 projectiles home
summer sentinel
I'll mention in dev to make bh5 50% harder, thanks for the input
serene fox
although it did get better this update
serene fox
lauren you will die in 3
summer sentinel
I've been dead my dude, already ahead of ya
hot zephyr
we need 
but in reverse
cobalt pewter
:catdead:
summer sentinel
use ezgif, but go back to suggestion topic
serene fox
of course
cobalt pewter
proves that this channel is derail fiesta
summer sentinel
hmm, Bundle of Balloon is pretty good in that regard for vertical movement, and rocket boots vertical movement is nice for vertical height but that's, definitely an odd ball sugg since I never thought of a toggle
since I sort of just am used to using the rocket boot effect, it isn't that slow but if you take into account using BoB, then it is slow
serene fox
does sulph jump also come after rocket boots?
summer sentinel
BoB is just, entire prehm carry and I think sulph jump is before rocket boots iirc
cobalt pewter
So after all other jumps
summer sentinel
basically, the thing is it gets a little wonky, and you can see this on BoB. If you extend all your jumps out on BoB, the rocket effect is ok but isn't too fast, but if you spam spacebar for the BoB jumps and then hold space for rocket boots effect, it's faster, so it's some sort of "speed and jump" conservation, but I normally extend out my jumps first since they are faster than just hold rocket boots
serene fox
pretty sure it has something to do with velocity
spamming jumps means faster velocity but less height
hot zephyr
BoB is high-key overpowered
I think it needs either bones or purified gel in the recipe tbh
ashen warren
no
hot zephyr
Fear me
ashen warren
please don't
summer sentinel
no please, don't suggest BoB recipe change, desert feathers are annoying enough
frail mantle
it's kinda hard to get three balloons early on
ashen warren
yeah it's a bit annoying
hot zephyr
Not really, especially in the future
ashen warren
but I can see how powerful it is
summer sentinel
also skyline wings post skeletron can be taken over BoB too if people prefer that so BoB doesn't need any recipe change imo
hot zephyr
Skyline doo doo garbage
ashen warren
skyline wings are absolute garbage though
serene fox
no one uses skyline yeah
hot zephyr
If Calcium potions didn't exist there might be a reason to use em but NOPE
summer sentinel
okay listen, sometimes I use skyline wings since spamming space with BoB can be a little bit annoying and also fall damage moment for me but, you do still have to consider that while BoB can outclass skyline wings, I don't think it needs a recipe change, since it's just a vanilla moment really in obtaining the balloons all pre-boss
ashen warren
thing is
serene fox
spamming bob jumps is the best part thooo
summer sentinel
if it had to ever get a recipe change, then it'd just take aerialite bars probably, that's the only logical thing, it should not be taking purified gel
hot zephyr
Getting three balloons isn't too hard, seeing as they're all craftable, no?
summer sentinel
okay see, blame vanilla for that BS, not cal 
ashen warren
just pair it with frog leg or grand gelatin lol
serene fox
hot zephyr
Cal has changed enough vanilla to where I'll blame Vanilla's faults on Clam
summer sentinel
frog leg beats GG as of rn
hot zephyr
It's called, you use both frog leg and GG
frail mantle
i honestly feel like Calcium potions shouldn't be available that early, cause even if fall damage is most annoying early game the potions existence alone invalidates the fact that the Lucky Horseshoe is an item that can be equipped
hot zephyr
@frail mantle No
frail mantle
elaborate
summer sentinel
IF you are solely going for more speed mobility, otherwise GG beats frog legs because of stat things, also calcium potions are, in a weird spot, idk waht to think of them
hot zephyr
Lucky horse-shoes are already terrible, Red smited them down into the shitty goldchest loot pool because nobody used them
summer sentinel
on one hand: you farm them to avoid fall damage if you consider fall damage an issue or while using balloons w/o horseshoe or you don't want to time the jump or grapple to avoid damage, but on the other hand, you just take the fall damage and don't use them (I do the latter one if it happens, I just time BoB)
hot zephyr
Make Calcium potion use bones instead of bone dust
frail mantle
that could work yes
hot zephyr
Fall damage isn't really an issue to experienced players, calcium potions are just nice QoL for exploring
Maybe I died to fall damage regularly a few thousand hours ago but now... eh?
summer sentinel
That could work yeah, the potion is just in a weird spot but it's not necessarily game changing, it's more so the "option" for the player to get and use
Like with calcium, you're just saving yourself from fall damage, that's it, it doesn't change the usability of the accessories that much imo, but it can if someone does mis-time BoB for example and hit fall damage
hot zephyr
Wait no
If you make calcium require bones
There's literally no reason to ever use them
Against WoF? ehhh Frog Leg already gives fall damage resistance so you won't have to worry
In HM? Ya got wings
Just make Calcium potions "fail" after a certain distance. Past a certain distance, they'd only negate a % of fall damage, and give you a movement speed debuff because you "broke your legs"
Then because it'd be % based, you couldn't die of fall damage but you could die from being stupid
summer sentinel
hm, interesting
It sounds similar to the emode debuff where if you fall, you end up going slow due to the impact of your fall damage, honestly the easiest way to sort of "appropriate" calcium potions would just to either 1. keep them at their current tier which I think is fine or 2. make them not work after a certain height but then, if this happens, it's not really immune to fall damage, is it?
hot zephyr
It'd be more fall damage resistant
Just make them less effective at certain heights so they're forgiving if you make a little mistake; but if you pretend to be a skydiver without a parachute you're fucked
gray nebula
now that's a suggestion baby
summer sentinel
"woo baby that's what I've been waiting for"
hot zephyr
Providence Box Suggestion 2: Electric Boogaloo
literally not even 5 suggestions between them
We need to make a roll that bans people from writing in #suggestions-posting
serene fox
ehh
hot zephyr
Some people don't deserve the privilege
summer sentinel
unnecessary
serene fox
most people who fuck up don't really post again
summer sentinel
It takes me at most like, 5 seconds to delete a post like that or half a minute to ping them to tell them to read pins/rework sugg, u memer
serene fox
hot zephyr
Damn straight
tawny garden
We need to make a roll that bans people from writing in <#699359022364491868>
smh anti-free speech
cobalt pewter
We need to make a roll that bans people from writing in <#699359022364491868>
nimwit momentum
serene fox
yeah rover has an astounding amount of patience for these kinds of things
cobalt pewter
Try me
Byeah
I think someone of the higher order said no nimwits
Idk who exactly said it
Oh it's demik ig
Don't encourage nimwits
frail mantle
afaik only, like, two people in the history of this server have had their perms specifically edited to not even let them type in #suggestions-posting
cobalt pewter
Wh
cobalt pewter
frail mantle
not even sure if you can edit a specific person's permissions but i know there have been two people who've been banned from making suggestions
cobalt pewter
Thomas rarely throws suggs these days
hot zephyr
whu
heady storm
You can, indeed.
cobalt pewter
not even sure if you *can* edit a specific person's permissions but i know there...
You can
You can edit perms of specific users indeed
frail mantle
chetto typing without punctuation? impossible
hot zephyr
Sorry, 60% of all suggestions in history, not based on current events
Chetto, I'm stealing your punctuation now
heady storm
hot zephyr
It's mine.
heady storm
All I can see btw.
frail mantle
i see
hot zephyr
Trial mod? We need trail mods. Need some trail mix.
heady storm
Only things set for Amber and Rover are practically the same as Moderator perms.
frail mantle
byeah there have been two suggestions bans
royal grail
hello guys this is boxes that Providence Creates on death
frail mantle
i think one of them got around it by leaving and rejoining a while later
cobalt pewter
Tom has only 59 suggs in voting
royal grail
its really annoying
heady storm
So yeah, we have the ability to ban people from writing suggestions; if we so desire.
hot zephyr
Stop dunking on me, Feed
frail mantle
you think thomas is bad when it comes to amount of suggestions?
cobalt pewter
Idk, ian said it
frail mantle
you should see how many i have in the channel
frail mantle
basically all of them are from ages ago but i have a shitton
frail mantle
ok 123 isn't as many as i thought it was but it's still a lot
hot zephyr
wtf Feedzuh becomes dev?
frail mantle
not counting ones made after the bot existed
cobalt pewter
Ah, well bot's here ever since I'm here
heady storm
"Feedzuh officially becomes cool and changes the mod forever."
cobalt pewter
"Feedzuh officially becomes cool and changes the mod forever."
as if
hot zephyr
feedzuh? cool? i don't see blue tag
heady storm
Anyway; no suggestions are broken, affirmative?
hot zephyr
Hm?
cobalt pewter
Not sure why boss dmg slider is needed exactly
serene fox
the summon one isn't really something calamity can do anything about
cobalt pewter
The reasonings aren't too convincing to me
serene fox
I don't think so at the very least
heady storm
Do I have to ping someone and jeopardize their suggestion.
cobalt pewter
But it's valid
hot zephyr
Everything looks fine to me tbh
If you could somehow instantly make the provi-box sug 🏁 that'd be nice
cobalt pewter
bru
heady storm
the summon one isn't really something calamity can do anything about
We'll see what the Devs think, if it ever reaches the star requirement.
hot zephyr
Best we can do is 🚫
cobalt pewter
Box clutter 
heady storm
If you could somehow instantly make the provi-box sug 🏁 that'd be nice
I can't make your desire come true that easily.
heady storm
The desire as a whole, I cannot.
hot zephyr
Well, good on you for trying, gooderator.
heady storm
I can only guarantee rebalances and fixes.
heady storm
You genuinely need me to test it?
hot zephyr
I'll do it myself
Once I've got the time
But compared to ranged weapons of it's tier, it outshines everything by a good margin
heady storm
Mmmmm.
hot zephyr
Er, at least from my experience
I'm not sure if it should be tested with post-provi weapons or post-polter
heady storm
If it's post-provi, you use post-provi gear.
hot zephyr
It's post-sentinel
heady storm
; Which it is, so you do.
hot zephyr
They're kinda in a Shrodinger's Cat scenario, they're both post-providence and post polter
heady storm
Post-Storm Weaver mmhm.
tawny garden
Post sentinel gear ≈ post-provi gear
hot zephyr
Perfect
heady storm
Less than or equal to, indeed.
hot zephyr
Because Storm literally is like... twice as strong as Seadragon despite being a drop from the same boss lel
I should be more specific, I'm talking about "The Storm"
frail mantle
the only thing that might change in your loadout post-Sentinels outside of weapons is armor if you're mage
hot zephyr
I was just wondering if I should compare it to Tarragon-tier gear vs Bloodflare tier. Sentinels have become so non-linear they're kinda hard to put in a progression point
Or maybe that's my half-stoned 3 AM brain being cloudy as usual
frail mantle
they're meant to be fought right after Providence
tawny garden
Afaik use the boss checklist progression as a reference
hot zephyr
Can deal hella damage
cobalt pewter
Wait, do sentinels count toward low%?
hot zephyr
Dunno, I just point it and shit dies
earnest cape
Wait, do sentinels count toward low%?
I mean if you count them during the dog fight then ye
hot zephyr
Sentinels can be skipped
cobalt pewter
Yeah they don't drop loot on dog fight
hot zephyr
Er, at least their solo fights
If you could the solo and reprise as the same fight, technically it's still low%
If you count them as different, they're not
earnest cape
I'll test to see if the sentinels gets checked if I defeat them during the dog fight later
sleek hornet
#suggestions-posting message this already pinned/in the doc at #bugs-read-pins, its TML's issue
@cold cosmos
ashen warren
oof
astral atlas
(image related to my recent suggestion submission)
real steppe
I remember a suggestion months ago about making The Tale of a Cruel World play after killing SCal for the first time
It got rejected, but I wonder why
Imo The Tale of a Cruel World is both perfect as the title music and the credits music
sleek hornet
#suggestions-voting message this is from a year ago and it didnt get implemented
sleek hornet
its not yours?
real steppe
Nope
robust lava
Wasn't the reason given that Tale of a Cruel World was made as an intro theme, so the devs didn't think it would fit as a 'credits' theme like in 1.4?
hollow sierra
another world gen grievance, there's gotta be a better solution to this than just setting up more and more spawning conditions
astral atlas
Do you have any other ideas for how to keep the Astral from taking over the Hallow?
hollow sierra
clentaminator shenanigans
fleet sail
Wait astral spreads?
sharp prism
no
frail mantle
it doesn't
astral atlas
I literally said that I'm suggesting this so that I don't have to use Cheat Sheet to give myself blue solution and the clentaminator
since blue solution is only sold if you have a Hallow biome in the first place to house the Steampunker in
hollow sierra
you can make an underground hallow house
hallow goes all the way to the underworld
frail mantle
you can buy Hallowed Seeds from the Dryad in hardmode
it isn't dependent on where she lives, so you can buy a shitton of seeds, hallowify the steampunker's vicinity and then get the clentaminator+blue solution
astral atlas
why should I have to buy seeds and wait, or pay multiple platinum coins at the start of hardmode to get a biome that should have been there in the first place?
frail mantle
no i do agree that it'd be nice if situations like this couldn't happen
astral atlas
I'm not saying there aren't workarounds, but they're either tedious or expensive
and should be wholly unnecessary
frail mantle
i'm just saying that if the devs do fix it, there is a solution until the update with the fix is released
yea
cobalt pewter
And for something like this, I wouldn't mind popping one of em blue solutions from cheat sheet tbh
astral atlas
yes that's what I do, I just wish I didn't have to
hollow sierra
isn't it light blue solution
frail mantle
o
astral atlas
the color is light blue but the item name is just blue
frail mantle
ah yea that makes sense
fleet sail
What’s your world size
astral atlas
medium, but I've had this happen in a large world before
the large world one happened when both hallow and astral spawned in the snow biome, so there wasn't enough pink ice left for the surface to be considered hallow anywhere
ashen warren
thats not correct formatting..,
sharp prism
or correct grammar
crystal iron
I think I had a stroke trying to read that
sharp prism
also the CragmawVibeCheckChain is intended to be difficult
zenith hazel
I don’t even think it has infinite range
it just tries to grab you until a certain point where it retreats back
also, it’s slow enough that you can maneuver around it
also, the suggestion needs some heavy proofreading because we can barely understand it @short mantle
zenith hazel
well yes, that needs to be worked on
and they just dipped, riveting
at least they came back but that was a close one
short mantle
ok
hardy dock
A couple things
Format your suggestion first of all
And second, of you get a Cragmaw to 70% in Tier 3 you’ve basically already committed to fighting it. Running away is utterly pointless
@short mantle
modern arrow
To be fair you must have a high iq to comprehend most discussion posts
dim star
I can relate to having my hallow completely destroyed because of the astral
hardy dock
Me too. One time both my Hallow and my Astral Infection landed on my Corruption, effectively rendering all three useless
dim star
wasn’t as bad because I had the clentaminator but it should still be fixed
ashen warren
ah ok thanks, which Fargo mod?
sharp prism
farogs mutant
ashen warren
thx
sharp prism
fargos*
cobalt pewter
It's not exactly like you suggested
But activated fountains will force surrounding waters into the fountain's represented Biome
violet minnow
ye you can change the color of the water with fountains
ashen warren
maybe it's just a mod I have installed that allows the biome specific enemies to spawn but idk
violet minnow
it is, calamity does not change what fountains do
low flower
did they get rid of the ability to dash through yharons dashes!!?
?
craggy stratus
uhm, no?
hollow shell
Problem @astral atlas
The infection already always spawns on the Dungeon side of the world so that it doesn't eat the Jungle
If the sugg is implemented, what would happen if the Hallow generated on the Dungeon side?
astral atlas
I didn't know it already had that limitation., I just suggested making it opposite the Hallow because I thought it would be the easiest way to prevent it from getting swallowed
hot zephyr
We just need the Steampunker to sell hallow/corrupt solution 24/7 like how she sells Astral
hollow shell
You should probably address that issue in your suggestion somehow
Or rework your sugg
sharp prism
We just need the Steampunker to sell hallow/corrupt solution 24/7 like how she s...
i think thatd be nice
hot zephyr
Then it isn't too difficult to "fix" a worldgen mistake
astral atlas
it would be nice, but that still leaves the problem of having to spend 2 plat + however much for solution at the beginning of hardmode, when you're suddenly able to get a ton of new weapons and accessories that need reforging
hot zephyr
The problem is that Calamity is slowly eating up the worldgen, and we're running out of room. It's why the mod will shift towards using dimensions IIRC
astral atlas
oh yeah and as you say that Fabsol announces even more worldgen related stuff
hot zephyr
Like?
astral atlas
check the most recent post in #changelogs
hot zephyr
Yeah but that's in lava layer, literally nothing of value is there
I'm talking about surface, which is already crowded
astral atlas
soon enough a Calamity world will be more ore than stone
zenith hazel
prime already shoots lasers and rockets from his head when you kill the respective arms
ashen warren
oh
zenith hazel
where are you getting the info of prime only getting stat boosts from?
ashen warren
i asked someone about death changes, and they did not mention that
zenith hazel
this is why you should look into stuff yourself sometimes, talk about things from your own experience, not others
ashen warren
where are you getting the info of prime only getting stat boosts from?
the fights were barely changed, just made a little more difficult. and from footage, there wasnt anything new in the fights
hot zephyr
you might want to read up on SPrime's wiki page before the sugg hits voting
ashen warren
but then again, last prime footage i saw was from 1.3
hot zephyr
IMO now that spinny boy's bug is fixed I think he's in a good spot
dapper coral
don't make suggestions based off of outdated info bruh
zenith hazel
show me the footage
ashen warren
its from Nin's expert playthrough.
zenith hazel
what
ashen warren
dont currently have it
zenith hazel
how is that relevant to cal?
hollow shell
If you meant 1.3 Calamity then yeah that's ridiculously old
If you meant Terraria 1.3 then that's redundant, because every version of Calamity has been within Terraria 1.3
zenith hazel
I’m gonna assume nin as in ningirshu, not our nincity
hot zephyr
I'd assume we're talking about 1.3 Calamity, seeing as every ver of Calamity is on 1.3
tawny garden
hollow shell
(Nincity does play Calamity but iirc he never did a playthrough on his YouTube)
ashen warren
I’m gonna assume nin as in ningirshu, not our nincity
yeah, ningishu
zenith hazel
then yea, how is that related to rev prime in any way?
hollow shell
You should pop in-game with Cheat Sheet or HERO's Mod
spawn in Skele Prime in Rev
and see the changes for yourself
hot zephyr
Rev+ sprime is radically different
It's already one of the more difficult fights in the mod, especially for it's progression point
The last thing it needs is a buff tbh
hot zephyr
Rover is your nick seriously "Rover | Rover"
ashen warren
rover really do be rover tho
hot zephyr
When are we getting "Rover | Rover | Rover"
hollow shell
He shoots rockets instead of bombs, he shoots laser circles from his laser arm and from his head when the arm is destroyed, his speed and aggression increase as the arms are destroyed, he shoots Cursed Skulls from his head during the spin attack which turn into missiles when below 33% health
Among other changes
and yeah see, there's two Rovers in my pfp
pine star
petition to add a third Rover
ashen warren
give me the rover nickname
hot zephyr
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!
hot zephyr
❗ time
Proving the fact that the entire mod and everything surrounding it is just a giant Metal Gear reference
hollow shell
Ah
hot zephyr
what
hollow shell
Uh yeah @short mantle when you get the chance, can you try fixing all the spelling in your suggestion?
The name is "Cragmaw Mire", and the word is "infinite"
modern arrow
To be fair you have to have a massive iq to comprehend that post
hollow shell
You also need to elaborate on why the hook having infinite range is "OP", you can't just say that without saying why
hot zephyr
Either English is not their native language or they're probably violating the ToS
sharp prism
they dont call it CragmawVibeCheckChain with out a reason
proper grail
True
hot zephyr
modern arrow
Lots of posts in the past week that are 3/4ths or nearly 3/4ths the way to 200 votes
U have the power as the citizens of
This place
hot zephyr
No
modern arrow
Voting rights woooooo
While we’re at it let’s add an upgrade to the pumpler too, more pumpkin weapons
proper grail
._.
How about no. The dart weapons are an actual subclass with unique ammo and unique mechanics. The Pumpler is a single weapon with no unique ammo and no upgrades.
hot zephyr
Role stakes and darts into the same class
proper grail
*Roll
proper grail
Stake Launcher is currently a Crossbow, but that would be fine
proper grail
In fact, Cursed Darts had to be nerfed into the ground to not destroy Astrum Deus
dapper coral
apparently they are good and fun yes
there have been many suggestions to expand the dart subclass
gray nebula
the vanilla dart weapons just look like regular ranger stuff
sharp prism
it would be nice to have more darts and dart weapons
proper grail
Crystal Darts imo are the single most fun ranged ammo to exist. Forget Chlorophite bullets.
sharp prism
you
dont need cheat sheet to get music boxes
reread the sentence it says that
@teal mirage
teal mirage
I meant to have music boxes that are obtainable
That do not require to use cheats to get them, get it ?
sharp prism
read the first line
whole sedge
The music boxes are obtainable with calamity installed
They are unobtainable without calamity installed
teal mirage
I've read it, but lets say it like this
Let's suppose that you wanted to hear the first abyss layers music
sharp prism
youve been proven wrong stop insisting that youre right
teal mirage
I didn't find any way of crafting the music box that uses it
sharp prism
also ive recorded calam music boxes
teal mirage
How the heck do you make music boxes from a biome then .w. ?
sharp prism
also there's a mod that adds crafting recipies for them
whole sedge
You still can obtain them though in normal calamity playthroughs via the music box item from vanilla terraria...
sharp prism
How the heck do you make music boxes from a biome then .w. ?
same way with bosses
teal mirage
ooooh..
sleek turret
Uhh, you can record Calamity Music Boxes by equiping the Music Box accesory from the Wizard NPC.
teal mirage
I didn't know about it, well, sorry for interrupting you guys
sleek turret
sharp prism
nah its fine
summer sentinel
Yes to craftable music boxes calamity, I can 100% vouch to say that capturing the music for certain bosses and what not is 1. difficult because of when it may capture and 2. an annoyance slightly due to music boxes taking an accessory slot to work.
sharp prism
teal mirage
I've never really messed with the music things, but the calamity soundtrack is just way too good
summer sentinel
as for more dart weapons, I don't really have an opinion on that since the only thing that comes to mind is dart pistol/dart rifle with ichor darts and how good those are still (even after the cal nerf of it iirc)
sleek turret
Make the SCal music boxes to craft into the full SCal theme without having 4 music boxes at the same time for listening without interrumptions.
golden narwhal
Sugg needs to be edited with the new info
Since first paragraph isn't the case
( @teal mirage )
tawny garden
to be fair, the Music Boxes do take some time to record themselves
but it's not like they're unobtainable
golden narwhal
Yes
sleek turret
yep
having to buy a music box is literally searching for the wizard if you haven't yet.
after that you need to go/do every single biome, event, boss, etc.
violet minnow
cheat sheet
whole sedge
yeah
manic aspen
the sulphurous sea also doesn't blend into the previous biome
the edge of the biome is completely flat
frail mantle
that's partially cause worldgen is dumb, i'm guessing
golden narwhal
have the seekers continue firing during bh5 as well
bold wave
Yes please
hollow sierra
i dunno about making her fully vulnerable since the game does want you to focus on the soul seekers
could like give her an amount of DR for every alive one
bold wave
Well maybe
golden narwhal
I mean, that's basically the same as making her invulnerable
bold wave
But Calamitas Clone doesn't get any Dr from Soul Seekers
Just a meat shield
Maybe make them absorb piercing
hollow sierra
scal isn't a buffed cal clone, cal clone is a nerfed scal
golden narwhal
also the bh5 thing was a joke, don't make us suffer plez 
Points in the sugg still stand
hollow sierra
if the seekers keep firing during bh5 you could probably just pass the sugg
that's punishment for not killing them
golden narwhal
I mean, I'd imagine it also makes it practically unfair at times
hollow sierra
not if you kill the seekers before then
golden narwhal
That still removes the 'decision' part of the reasoning, since it's practically forcing you to kill them
hollow sierra
as opposed to how it doesn't right now? 
bold wave
They only fire like every 10 seconds so they aren't a huge threat
golden narwhal
as opposed to how it doesn't right now? <:smughat:591780545743290370>
So ... basically if the sugg applies nothing will change
golden narwhal
They only fire like every 10 seconds so they aren't a huge threat
Lemme put it this way: the profamed guardian's could be considered not a threat in Provi’s fight, but they are
Because they conflict with her attacks
bold wave
Well, the soul seekers don't constantly try to ram you
golden narwhal
anyway, p sure I'm not going anywhere with this, so ... yea
hollow sierra
i didn't realise until recently that the seekers didn't do contact damage
trying to dodge the whole orbit of them is alot harder
bold wave
Oh well. I mean, I don't see the fight being much harder even if the Soul Seeker were invincible. They are like the only entities in the fight that fire a relatively slow projectile directly at you
glass sentinel
but there are so many of them it makes soul seekers an issue
plus people almost always use piercing against them, so this would lead to the problem of starting BH5 with soul seekers
bold wave
Idk man. I always tought the soul Seeker phase was the most stale part of the fight
glass sentinel
well its also one of the most dangerous tbh
and hardest to balance
so adding a vulnerable scal is adding more issues
bold wave
I really feel like the player should have more choices to make
glass sentinel
there are 2 choices in what you propose
kill seekers or focus scal
most people use piecing anyway so you could do dmg to both
modern arrow
What’s a soul seeker
glass sentinel
modern arrow
I literally don’t remember seeing those when I fought scal
glass sentinel
well then
they spawn at 20%, shoot darts
are assholes
does that ring any bells?
bold wave
Well yes kinda
swift mango
They are annoying, but only appear the once, and like was said, piercing makes them far less of a threat
ashen warren
Yeah they were forgettable I just used them as a break for my healing potion to recharge
glass sentinel
am i the only one who really really hates them
then again i havent done a normal playthrough for ages
so allowing you to damage scal during this time makes them easier
plus if you make them pierce absorbent, there isnt any point in making scal vulnerable
hot zephyr
chlorophyte bullet
glass sentinel
uh so this is probably already going to be fixed, but the red lightning feather hitboxes
can i make a sugg on it?
river glen
dma thats small
glass sentinel
mhm
thats why i wanted to make a sugg
we were talking about it in lounge
so i can make the sugg?
my wording (as usual) is shit, someone help
glass sentinel
oh
vocal grotto
Sadly there's not much we can do right now. Hitboxes are non-rotational rectangles. This means than if it were pointing up, the hitbox would still be horizontal, leading to some even weirder hits.
Assuming we did make the hitbox bigger
dapper coral
would it be bad to add multiple hitboxes
like, you have the small square already there, then a larger rectangle for the actual feather bit
vocal grotto
Not to my knowledge? That should be possible through custom collision detection
dapper coral
well i suppose that's not actually the issue, is it
the issue is the fact that the feathers turn and that messes everything up
glass sentinel
so is the sugg valid?
dapper coral
methinks yes? but at the same time there isn't really another way to change it, unless there were tiny squares all along the feathers
modern arrow
Couldn’t you make it shoot 2 projectiles at once and then split the sprite into two parts between them
That sounds like the most Pepega solution
hollow shell
Yeah this isn't really a "fix" the hitbox issue
cuz, yeah
you cannot rotate hitboxes
hollow shell
"Give the Dragonfolly's lightning feathers custom collision code to match the sprite closer"?
mayb
dapper coral
~~Dom does and that's all that matters 
~~
glass sentinel
noice
summer sentinel
I get it too 
glass sentinel
cobalt pewter
@warm tinsel there's another mod that does that
patent nimbus
yeah....
copper turret
Eater of Worlds: I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
That's never happened to me before, weird
cobalt pewter
EoW: hehe fuck you
crude geode
can’t you get wooden boomerang from crates?
glass sentinel
nop
cobalt pewter
Wha
crude geode
You need an enchanted one.
and that can be found in crates, and they’re also in gold chests so like.
crude geode
Enchanted Boomerang???? Yes????
crude geode
Yes but you need an enchanted boomerang to craft flamarang, and ice boomerang can be crafted with basic ice stuff.
crude geode
Wooden boomerang is in no way a part of flamarang.
humble jay
i have not seen anything that ever said you can get wooden or enchanted outside of chests
i know it had to be but like
On the Console version Console version, Old-gen console version Old-gen console version, and 3DS version version, it is found rarely in naturally-occurring Gold Chests.
yeah gold chest thing is console only
oh wait
1.4
crude geode
What?
cobalt pewter
The enchanted one should be relatively common in underground cabins
humble jay
nvm
crude geode
Yeahs
humble jay
ignore me then
crude geode
Mhm
cobalt pewter
humble jay
wait golden chests not golden crates?
you can make wooden into enchanted
still doesnt fix any of my problems
lol
crude geode
Bruh golden chests are fucking littered around the world.
humble jay
we've cleaned out the jungle and most the underground and we only had 1, then we lost it early game somewhere
idk what the christ is goin on
unless he just passed by them
crude geode
That sounds...extremely unlikely.
humble jay
not like i need it anyways ||wouldnt be the unluckiest thing to happen to me too||
glass sentinel
@echo kestrel maybe mention astrum deus as he's the boss that drops fragments
cobalt pewter
Also note that basing suggs off changelogs is a don't
glass sentinel
oh and that
glass sentinel
echo kestrel
Ohp, so I should reword or
proper grail
Wow I just saw that get deleted
echo kestrel
ayy it got yeeted
heady storm
Yeah not redeemable.
echo kestrel
My bad, I skimmed over the doc
echo kestrel
ig
well i'm guessing it'll have the intended implementation anyway
not like devs won't consider more bosses dropping luminite (post-ML) and another ore slime
radiant meadow
iirc Magic Missile was sold because it was used in like 3 different recipes
including said Auric craft
echo kestrel
on that note are any hardmode dungeon drops available in shops at any point post-ML?
unless the principle here is the items sold by the wizard are found via gold chests in the dungeon so likewise, aqua scepter
cobalt pewter
I'm pretty sure Aqua Scepter isn't used in anything for cal no?
radiant meadow
Magic Missile is sold by the Wizard
Shadow Key, Cobalt /shield, and Muramasa are crafts
u;ltra liquidator
cobalt pewter
Oh ye liquidator
radiant meadow
which is a vivid ingredient
sleek ore
which is kinda important for mage now lol
summer sentinel
yeah magic missile it used in light god's brilliance and vivid clarity, but it just seems odd that aqua scepter isn't a part of it either considering it's also used in vivid clarity too
crude geode
I wouldn’t really mind aqua scepter being craftable, but being sold is also okay
sturdy geyser
cool suggestion
summer sentinel
that wasn't even a suggestion that was, I don't know what
dim star
Aqua scepter could just be made with a water candle, 7 platinum bars, 5 bones, and a mana crystal
Magic missile could be made with any of the gem staffs, 7 platinum bars, 5 bones, and a mana crystal
echo kestrel
I wonder where devs draw the line between craftable vanilla and purchaseable vanilla
cobalt pewter
Crafting is definitely friendlier
Since NPCs have their own slots for shops
And it could eventually max out
echo kestrel
true, we may just see aqua scepter craftable instead of being added to the wizard shop
glass sentinel
@rocky hatch i think ik where the idea of this sugg came from
lmao
but yes, i agree
rocky hatch
@glass sentinel its totally random, not involved with any event or thing I am trying to do at all
I can try to get some footage of it if needed, not sure if its a known thing etc
but Yeah it was pretty sometimes dying like that
rocky hatch
i actually think other than the lightspeed core the fight is in a good psot
spot*
just needs a lil love right there imo
rocky hatch
but i am glad its not a case of just "its death mode git gud"
glass sentinel
git gud indeed
cobalt pewter
@echo kestrel don't need to specify on how to do it, leave that up to the devs
echo kestrel
ayt i'll strike that part out
cobalt pewter
Just detail on the last point and also the fact that this could be used to expand the scope of true melee weapons past the originally intended ones
crystal iron
It's a don't to suggest slightly changing vanilla stats right
echo kestrel
Just detail on the last point and also the fact that this could be used to expan...
thanks for the feedback, will edit that in
cobalt pewter
glass sentinel
We don't care how it is done; just that it is done.
cobalt pewter
^ essentially
echo kestrel
edited it!
dapper coral
@echo kestrel the struckthrough bit can straight up be deleted, otherwise you're good to go