suggestions-discussion

[glass sentinel]

fair

[violet dagger]

bruh what the actual

[daring imp]

i only can't circle gravity affected bosses such as king slime and golem and SCal for obvious reasons

[violet dagger]

top 1 reasons calam needs sugg nimwit role

[daring imp]

and yeah it's not circling every time during the fight, but like for most of the time

[zenith hazel]

that doesn't strengthen your point at all

what point are you even trying to make?

[daring imp]

i hope yharim will be pre-SCal and be an introduction to her fucking difficulty

[glass sentinel]

uh no

[zenith hazel]

lol

[glass sentinel]

yharim will be last boss

so stop whining

this is a 'you' problem

[daring imp]

but we need something to adaptate to SCal's difficulty

[glass sentinel]

not a 'nerf the mod because of this legit reason'

[zenith hazel]

yes, it's scal herself

she's a different boss from the previous boss

just like every other boss in this mod

and it's your job to learn how to fight her

she's the end boss for a reason

[earnest cape]

^

[daring imp]

yeah my problem of being limited to human capacitibilities that can't get less than 4 hits from SCal

[earnest cape]

[insert no hits here]

[zenith hazel]

nohitters would tell you otherwise

anyone can kill her

[daring imp]

i don't think they're human

[zenith hazel]

it's just a matter of when

[earnest cape]

wow

[daring imp]

yeah of course anyone can

using god mode

[dapper coral]

clearly this is a case where you need to learn how to fight her
she's the final boss, a SUPERboss, of course she's gonna be bloody difficult

[earnest cape]

imagine using godmode for scal

[worthy lintel]

no hitting in terraria is a matter of dedication more than actual skill

[zenith hazel]

and as I've said, if you don't make an effort in trying to kill her, and instead go out of your way to try to get something nerfed because it's a you problem

then I don't think you're suited for suggestions

[dapper coral]

but she's not as difficult as you say she is

[daring imp]

yeah but a boss that's a bullet hell that kills you in few hits whitout even being an optional challenge is insane and far more than any other challenge present in the entire history of vanilla terraria and calamity

[earnest cape]

To fight scal it's very VERY important to spend time and focus on the fight than anything, byeah if you make an oopsie it's quite unforgiving

[zenith hazel]

suggestions are supposed to encapsulate what the community thinks about a certain subject, instead of a place where you can complain about something

[cobalt pewter]

Sugg nimwit role when

[zenith hazel]

I mean people do complain but like

not in the sense of having subjectivity involved

[violet dagger]

Sugg nimwit role when
soontm hopefully

[dapper coral]

well, a) scal is optional, she's a superboss. technically the boss progression ends at yharon.
but b) the bullet hells are very possible, you just have to learn how to actually do the fight

[violet dagger]

[worthy lintel]

Soon™️

[dapper coral]

also can we not encourage the nimwit role here

[zenith hazel]

^

[dapper coral]

ik it's a joke but it's not exactly a positive contribution

[ashen warren]

what is a nimwit role

[cobalt pewter]

I'm starting to do scal at like under 20 tries now, so

[violet dagger]

bascially you cant talk in suggestions

[daring imp]

well, a) scal is optional, she's a superboss. technically the boss progression ends at yharon.
but b) the bullet hells are very possible, you just have to learn how to actually do the fight
@dapper coral under this point of view every single boss would be optional

[cobalt pewter]

It boils down to practice

[dapper coral]

that is false

superbosses are inherently optional

that's how they work

regular bosses are not

[daring imp]

still required to enjoy the entire mod

[zenith hazel]

if you're struggling against a boss

[violet dagger]

tho making this much bad suggestions seems kinda

[zenith hazel]

ok no

again, that's incredibly subjective

[violet dagger]

would expect a punishment by now imo

[zenith hazel]

back to my point

[cobalt pewter]

if scal is a superboss, make her invisible in checklist

[daring imp]

so doesn't count as optional, not really an optional challenge for who wants to go for it to get some special reward or just for the challenge

[cobalt pewter]

[zenith hazel]

if you're struggling against something, ask for help in the other channels

or try to learn the boss yourself

[ashen warren]

why would you punish people for making serious suggestions

even if they're not good

[zenith hazel]

don't be lazy and ask for a random nerf just because you couldn't beat her

[violet minnow]

Scal is ment to be a hard and incredably unique fight

[daring imp]

she kills in 3 hits

[zenith hazel]

I've made my point, I'm not taking any further arguments

[daring imp]

and we can barely regenerate

[zenith hazel]

and that ! is staying there because I don't see any improvements the sugg can make

[earnest cape]

health pots exist

oof

[daring imp]

and she's a necessary boss for the progression of the mod

[violet dagger]

~~feedza on his way to suggest sugg nimwit rn ~~

[earnest cape]

and she's a necessary boss for the progression of the mod
no?

[zenith hazel]

you're going in circles at this point

[earnest cape]

^

[daring imp]

it's not endgame until you defeat her

[dapper coral]

this conversation is gonna end here now

[zenith hazel]

yes

[daring imp]

ok ;c

[violet dagger]

yes

[earnest cape]

after dog it's already endgame

aight

[daring imp]

my point still stands

[glass sentinel]

you're going in circles at this point
ha

funny

[dapper coral]

you've been told what is wrong with your suggestion and what you need to do in order to fight the boss

[daring imp]

and i already told what i don't have to repeat

[zenith hazel]

if you choose to ignore all of that then we have literally 0 reason to remove the !

end of discussion

[dim star]

You can’t just suggest the final superboss being nerfed

[violet dagger]

well you can

but not like this

[dim star]

Yeah

It’s not even a good nerf it would just be “do less dmg because I can’t dodge”

It’s hard for a reason

don't be lazy and ask for a random nerf just because you couldn't beat her
^

Sorry for the ping I forgot to remove it

[heady lichen]

the fight is over way before 2 minutes

[heady storm]

@gritty shore

1. Your main idea has to be in the header of your suggestion.
2. This idea is generally too specific.

[heady lichen]

though a big nuke on a countdown sounds fun, an undodgable instakill nuke that never happens doesn't sound fun for anyone

[gritty shore]

What do you mean?

[heady lichen]

you format suggestions like this

[heady storm]

Take other suggestions in posting as a reference.

[heady lichen]

Suggestion

(suggestion details)
(suggestion details)
(why should calamity do that)

[heady storm]

They have their main suggestion idea bolded as a header, seperate from the reasoning.

[gritty shore]

ok fixed...?

[heady lichen]

alright, what about my previous point

though a big nuke on a countdown sounds fun, an undodgable instakill nuke that never happens doesn't sound fun for anyone

[gritty shore]

Never happens?

What do you mean by that?

[heady lichen]

the fight is way shorter than 2 minutes after phase 2

[heady storm]

@dapper coral I would like you to assist me here please.

[gritty shore]

Ok then the timer can be adjusted to fit so

[heady lichen]

but why?

[dapper coral]

yes

[heady lichen]

who wants that

why is an instakill nuke at (X) minutes fun?

[gritty shore]

It would add a bit of much needed intensity to the boss fight

[heady lichen]

sure timers are cool

[dapper coral]

yeah this is way too specific of an idea

[gritty shore]

why is a bullet hell fun?

[heady lichen]

cause they're dodgable

[gritty shore]

Yes this is dodgeable

[heady lichen]

and a test of skill, not how optimized you can shred the boss

[gritty shore]

if you beat the boss in time

[heady lichen]

also bullet hells are fun

instakills are not

timers can be done well

such as Novaniel from Shadows of Abbadon

it makes the fight seem urgent, progressively harder

and if you really are struggling, the instakill encourages you to get better gear

but the thing is, it's progressively harder with new abilities

not just "haha if you dont kill me by 2 minutes you die"

[gritty shore]

How is that different from this?

They’re both timers?

[heady lichen]

please look at the Novaniel fight

and reconsider

[gritty shore]

Sorry but i’ve never played that mod before

[dapper coral]

either way this is too specific as is

[heady lichen]

^

[gritty shore]

How?

[heady lichen]

you're asking for a specific attack to be added to a specific boss

[dapper coral]

you can't give the text and a time length and what the effect will do

just say something like "add a timer effect to PBG for intensity purposes"

[heady lichen]

you could, as an example, suggest that the PBG would do nukes on a timer after a delay

but not "at 2 minutes this very specific event occurs"

[dapper coral]

and "for example this timer could instakill the player, or it could become even harder/enrage, etc etc"

but you don't need the specifics of the attacks

[gritty shore]

but that is what i said...?

[heady lichen]

you really don't get what we're saying

[dapper coral]

yeah but you're too specific with it
you can pose these things as examples of a more general sugg, but not the actual sugg

[heady lichen]

let me be clear

I think the PBG having bigger nukes after a ticking timer is really cool

just not 2 minutes into the last phase and instakills

so stronger nuke attacks after a period of time is a yes

[dapper coral]

here the general statement would be: add a timer effect to PBG to increase intensity
and the examples would be: maybe make her instakill the player, or enrage, or gain harder attacks, or something

[heady lichen]

an instakill nuke at 2 minutes is a no

[gritty shore]

Ok, better?

[heady storm]

The 2 minutes should go still.

[gritty shore]

I was just saying how i was disappointed about how the message plague nuke armed, preparing for launch just meant a new attack and not something a little bit more... intense.

[heady lichen]

I thought it was cool

also you're literally asking for the same thing

after another message, add a new attack

[gritty shore]

I was asking for something to make the boss more intense

[heady lichen]

... the new attack makes the boss more intense

[gritty shore]

It would make you have to panic and try to kill the boss before the time goes down

it would make the boss feel less like a placeholder to me

[heady lichen]

honestly, I aint gonna argue cause to each their own

agree to disagree, cya

[gritty shore]

Ok, seems about right

I just thought the boss was missing something...

[heady storm]

It looks better to me now.

[gritty shore]

Ok, thank you for the heads up.

[dim star]

Maybe it could have the nuke mechanic but not have it be an instant kill

[gritty shore]

I really should’ve read the pins before posting in there. Sorry.

Why is everyone against this nuke mechanic so much?

Is there something wrong with it?

[heady storm]

We were just trying to help you fix your suggestion.

[dapper coral]

yeah formatting wise it's good now, itred

[dim star]

Maybe a bomb that releases lingering plague gas

[dapper coral]

it's not that the nuke mechanic itself is bad, just that instakills don't often go down too well

[dim star]

I like the nuke idea

[dapper coral]

like sock mentioned earlier Novaniel does it pretty good afaik, but it's difficult

[dim star]

Just not an instakill

[glass sentinel]

except to nohitters

[gritty shore]

I just thought it would make it so that it would add a sense of urgency to the boss and make it feel more complete

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dim star]

I have an idea for the nuke attack

[civic notch]

Can I mention something about the dungeon suggestion a few suggestions up real quick?

[gritty shore]

I just feel like just a new attack feels like a waste of potential

You can just dodge the attack

it would make the timer meaningless

[weak field]

But why

Well it is a cool idea but why

[gritty shore]

it might as well not exist for that

[dim star]

It shoots three spread out bombs that latch on to the ground and they periodically shoot a lava geyser-like plague gas shot 

[gritty shore]

For me the plaguebringer just feels like its missing something

[civic notch]

Wasn’t the point of having the wizard sell the staffs was to prevent the player from being locked out of some of them due to weird dungeon generation

[gritty shore]

Yes but that can be solved by just having your arena in the air

theres always cheese to an attack

[weak field]

It is lime

[gritty shore]

which makes said attack just not meaningful

[weak field]

But they probably didn't realize that

[dim star]

Ooo I know how to fix the platform problem

[gritty shore]

let me guess.

Make them latch onto platforms?

[dim star]

It can latch onto platforms

But

[weak field]

Just make them float around the players

[gritty shore]

Then you could just build a long arena and just walk away from that part

[weak field]

Float and lock on to the player like scal

[gritty shore]

Well im going to sleep on this a bit until i get some new ideas for this

So lets just agree to disagree for now

[dapper coral]

you don't have to think too hard honestly
you have a good amount of ideas already, and at the end of the day the devs will decide how exactly this gets implemented, if at all
if you want to include one or two more ideas you can, but don't overload the devs lol

[dim star]

If it latches onto platforms the bomb shoots plague spikes that home in on the player

[gritty shore]

Ok sorry

[dim star]

Maybe that would be too hard

[gritty shore]

I’ll read the pins more carefully next time

[dim star]

To dodge I mean

[gritty shore]

because we also want to keep the attacks a bit simple too

not super hard to code in

without breaking the boss itself

but then again scal

¯_(ツ)_/¯

well i’ll talk about this a bit more tommorow

cya

[dim star]

Alright

[golden narwhal]

Fan of this tbh

[violet dagger]

Pressed enter to early

[cobalt pewter]

Early enter yet again

[proper grail]

I forget I'm on computer not mobile

It's Shift Enter not just plain Enter

[golden narwhal]

dye toggle is cosmolight, smh

[proper grail]

hah

Except I like both day and night

As do most players

[cobalt pewter]

Something interesting about the dyes: maybe favoriting Cosmolight disables the color rotation and locks the last color ya have

Mrrp

Reasoning where

That's not enough

[dapper coral]

mrrp explain yourself

[sinful violet]

shut up

we all know reasoning for emotes isn't worth it

[ashen warren]

clueless

[sinful violet]

just look at it and see if you'll use it :\

[dapper coral]

is this how we're doing emote suggs now

[ashen warren]

[proper grail]

Oh goodness . . .

[sinful violet]

remember the alternative demik

and ask yourself if that was really an improvement

[dapper coral]

i

i have no words right now

[sturdy geyser]

Mrrp monet

I agree with mrrp

[proper grail]

Something interesting about the dyes: maybe favoriting Cosmolight disables the color rotation and locks the last color ya have
I liked that, idea taken

[violet dagger]

[unreal viper]

Trans bee

[rich hawk]

he has a point, guys

[cobalt pewter]

Trans bee

[rich hawk]

Trans bee
Trans bee

[heady storm]

Can I write a sugg for KannaBear with this intel?

[dapper coral]

uhhhhhhh

[sinful violet]

has no emotion

[violet dagger]

Add beech

[sinful violet]

not as good as my explanation

0/10

[heady storm]

Hell you mean Mrrp?

[violet dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/607913853896097792/776224424436957194/echbee.png

[dapper coral]

ima just call rover for this one
literally what is going on and are we okay with this @hollow shell

[violet dagger]

Beechcraft

[sinful violet]

emote suggs ARE pretty pointless anyway

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[heady storm]

Could just add it on your own.

[violet dagger]

[dapper coral]

they are but i feel like this isn't a good way to do them for some reason

i mean we floated the idea of just implementing them ourselves but that's no bueno

at the same time the current format for reasoning doesn't make sense for emotes

[sinful violet]

Better to just post the emote and have people vote if you really want them to go through suggestions

[dapper coral]

perhaps

[heady storm]

I genuinly want KannaBear.

[hollow shell]

@unreal viper You need more reason. I care not about your silly imagery that is purportedly self-explanatory.

[violet dagger]

I don't really understand mrrp either

[tawny garden]

The last two suggs

UhhhHHhhHhHhHHhh

Hhdcdukcaujcrjgsjchurefvitecvji

[violet dagger]

I'd expect an admin to do better

[sinful violet]

more like

[violet dagger]

[sinful violet]

emote suggs:

[tawny garden]

@sinful violet you need more reason as well

[violet dagger]

[heady storm]

Don't encourage a special change now.

[sinful violet]

(too late)

[violet dagger]

Honestly bees can be memed about so much

Especially emotes

[heady storm]

Mrrp is about to make special accomodations.

[violet dagger]

echbee = beech = beechcraft = cessna = cessna 172

[tawny garden]

I saved this shit

[sand umbra]

bees, bees, we are the bees
what kinda reasonless suggs are thees--

(personally I do not actually care that these lack reasoning, for the simple reason that they are emote suggs)

(emote suggs have. a very different aura about them than basically any other type of sugg, even other server suggs)

[violet dagger]

Add mhage

[sinful violet]

point in case

well everyone already knew it anyway but

[sand umbra]

like
it's hard to really pinpoint a reason behind an emote sugg
because at the end of the day

[dapper coral]

i care more about the fact that we haven't established an alternate format for emote suggs yet, if the traditional is not to be the case (which i agree it shouldn't be)

[sand umbra]

the reasoning behind the addition of basically any emote boils down to Rule of Funny

[sinful violet]

nothing at all is better than trying to bs it, basically

[sand umbra]

pretty much

[cobalt pewter]

Also we poor globals didn't get peepoweird yet

[sand umbra]

basically, it sounds more legit when you make it seem less legit

...does that make sense, or am I just too tired out from the events of this week to make sense rn

I don't know how to explain it

[dapper coral]

no, that's fine

[sinful violet]

No need to explain it

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah I get that tom

[sinful violet]

Just like the emote suggs :pog:

speaking of adding emotes actually

[sand umbra]

...yeah I feel like I'm just gonna
confuse myself further by trying to explain it

[sinful violet]

how does a good pog emote sound to you guys

[sand umbra]

so I'll just leave it at that

[sinful violet]

the classic old reliable one

[sand umbra]

also yes please give me pogooo here

[cobalt pewter]

pogooo

[sand umbra]

I mean I don't need it but give the masses

the poggest of pogs

[tepid root]

isnt the alternative to no reasoning on emote suggs "this emote holds many power and will surely be used by a lot of people"

[hot zephyr]

I think is cool, but I'm not sure if it "fits in" with the other emotes. If we already had existing pride emotes it'd feel more at home, though

We just need an emote contest every once and awhile, tbh

we just need more pride bees. this is the one conclusion I've made

[cobalt pewter]

There is a lack of pride emotes here ye, despite here having a packed bunch of people who'd appreciate one or two

[hot zephyr]

I'm sure like 40% of gen-talk is trans

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah

[tawny garden]

just create a new channel where emojis would be dumped by everyone and some eventually are gonna be implemented

[cobalt pewter]

Aside from pride stuff, pogooo is important to add

[gray nebula]

based mrrp

emote sugg reasonings are always just a complete joke where the suggestor attempts the largest hyperboles about how their awesome emote would outmatch any other by magnitudes

add pogu instead of whatever pogooo is though please

[cobalt pewter]

There can be also some legit reasoning like globals being snapped

Byeah

Usually emote suggs do be like that

[dapper coral]

which is why a new format for emote suggs should probably be established, seeing as the regular one doesn't fit

[gray nebula]

yeah I guess

but then it's gonna be people dumping emotes in the sugg channel and it'll be bad

and please an emote suggestion channel would be terrible

[dapper coral]

and that's why we need to come up with a format that will hopefully maybe prevent that

but i'd rather we come up with an actually-good format first, instead of posting a sugg with 2 words in it

[gray nebula]

idk what format thatd even be

[dapper coral]

an emote contest isn't necessarily an awful idea

take it out of suggs entirely

[gray nebula]

uhhh

turns out emote contests are actually terrible speaking from experience

[cobalt pewter]

just ban emote suggs

[frail mantle]

i can confirm from experience that emote suggs are 90% bullshitting

[dapper coral]

are they really? that's unfortunate

[cobalt pewter]

[sinful violet]

Emote contests are eh

Save that for art

[gray nebula]

:/ calamity art did one à year ago and now we have dumb calamity themed emotes clogging our emote slots because "oh they won the contest they shouldn't get their emote removed"

[sinful violet]

And again, all you're ever gonna see from the emote is just the emote itself, nothing more nothing less

if people want it, they want it

if they don't they don't

aren't you mod iban

[gray nebula]

I am

[sinful violet]

or admin

idk

just kick out the bad ones:\

[cobalt pewter]

there's...this I guess?

Wtf is even this

[gray nebula]

but I'm not even allowed to put the bad ones at the end of the list so they get killed over their normal counterpart when we get under level 2 boosts

because blah blah we gotta respect the winners but cmon that's 30 entire emote slots

malding

[dapper coral]

isn't that a boss from thorium or tremor or something

[cobalt pewter]

Not that one

The corn thing

[gray nebula]

but that's offtopic doesn't rly relate to emote suggs here it's just that emote contests are wacky

[cobalt pewter]

This one

[dapper coral]

i was talking about the corn one

[cobalt pewter]

Ah

[dapper coral]

the other one is something danny drew for thorium ragnarok iirc

[cobalt pewter]

I was thinking about ye

[sinful violet]

that's tremor boss

[dapper coral]

byeah

[sinful violet]

funny corn

We have so many slots right now we don't really have to worry about getting rid of any

[cobalt pewter]

I can probably research my subjectively bad ones, and how many they've been use

[gray nebula]

this one being one of them there's not even a regular cri

[frail mantle]

get someone to search through the server and compile a list of how much every emote has been used (probably excluding hard to search ones like , though)

actually i might do that to procrastinate on the Norwegian assignment i'm supposed to do that's due today

[hot zephyr]

Don't we have 250 standard emote slots?

[tepid root]

yeah

[frail mantle]

correct

[hot zephyr]

We ain't running out any time soon

[modern arrow]

If you’re gonna meme suggest an emote

At least suggest a decent emote

:(

[tawny garden]

What I don't understand is
What does trans bee convey? What meaning does it have?

[cobalt pewter]

You don't exactly need meaning for emotes

[tawny garden]

Does it even have meaning, or is it just something that you bloat your sentence with to make it less readable

[cobalt pewter]

I have just

Dodu's Handcannon as an emote on my semi private server

[distant vault]

in the lounge there's just an emote of pants called :pant:

but I guess it does have a meaning

[frail mantle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zM5nV_GSxN5AVoczf1YoSnd9XGUW3GGSDclIb2xD_7I/edit?usp=sharing

i think i got them all

[cobalt pewter]

AnahitaAwe - 799 (bunching the Nahlyn emotes together with the Nahlyn ones)

You mean Anahita and Nahlyn in brackets?

[frail mantle]

eah

[glass sentinel]

these 2 suggs

this is comedic gold

[cobalt pewter]

Also from leon's doc, there are literal zero

Like dude

[frail mantle]

zero what

did i forget any

[cobalt pewter]

No like

Those with zero uses

[frail mantle]

ah

yea those are kinda wacky

[glass sentinel]

[ashen warren]

I absolutely hate that emote

[frail mantle]

what

[earnest cape]

[frail mantle]

what the fuck

[cobalt pewter]

smh

[ashen warren]

h

[frail mantle]

did i just misspell it while searching or something

[cobalt pewter]

Prolly

[frail mantle]

whatever, let me edit real quick

[cobalt pewter]

Still not so amazing results tbh

Like

beats everything else by a long shot

[earnest cape]

AAA

[ashen warren]

almost 83k results what the fuck

[glass sentinel]

2k ana hugs

[earnest cape]

beats everything else by a long shot
by a long fucking shot

[frail mantle]

and then you have animated ones like OceanSpirit, which has zero uses

[dim star]

Wow two meme suggestions in a row

[manic aspen]

ffffffffffhzaAHYHGUGFASDHUAFJIK

[ashen warren]

oh

[tawny garden]

is basically the of this server

[earnest cape]

[dim star]

is just a more unique

So people use it more

[earnest cape]

and is gooder

[distant vault]

there are some here I don't even know existed like

[dim star]

is only for dire circumstances

Like two meme suggestions in a row

[tawny garden]

one of them is by an administrator

[glass sentinel]

Mr Rp has since been removed and demoted from the Calamity Administration team

[dim star]

Checkmate

Nevermind

I didn’t even check lmao

Don’t the admins get to add emotes without suggesting them first?

[dapper coral]

no

[dim star]

Alrighty

[glass sentinel]

well, technically they can

ig

but they dont

[dapper coral]

we have the ability, yes
but that's not something we do

[dim star]

admins are like top of the whole server right?

[cobalt pewter]

Well there's fab

Byeah

[dapper coral]

Owner > Admin > Mod > Tmod > everyone else

[cobalt pewter]

@dapper coral uh oh

Check posting, someone is clueless

[dapper coral]

@queen wolf can you stay on topic please

[golden narwhal]

Ah yes, very successful troll

[dapper coral]

and don't try to @ everyone

[queen wolf]

no

i want to know how to install mods

[heady storm]

Then ask elsewhere, this is for suggestions.

[golden narwhal]

Go to #help-advice-read-pins

[earnest cape]

why do it in sugg posting

[queen wolf]

i have a suggestion

help me

[earnest cape]

what suggestion?

[queen wolf]

i suggest you tell me how to install the mod before i get upset

[dapper coral]

these channels are meant for suggesting changes to the mod
if you need help with installing the mod go to #help-advice-read-pins

[heady storm]

Warned, redirect to an appropriate channel or it's a mute.

[serene fox]

emote suggestions were a mistake

[faint needle]

Tfs going on with meme Suggs

[heady storm]

@analog sand yeah no meme suggestions.

[dapper coral]

this was a mistake in general

[analog sand]

Sorry

[heady storm]

2 emote suggestions = yes.

[ashen warren]

bruh

[serene fox]

[heady storm]

Muted.

[dapper coral]

@queen wolf muted

[heady storm]

Feel free to log Demik.

[dapper coral]

[frail mantle]

thank ye demik

[analog sand]

#freemyboy

[frail mantle]

no

[analog sand]

ok

[sinful violet]

Isn't the issue that people see emote suggestions as meme suggestions from the start

And we all know adding reasoning is just trying your best to come up with stuff anyway

[earnest cape]

perhaps

[heady storm]

Why not make a special exception for emote suggestions?

[sinful violet]

Considering I can decide which can get a pass anyway I'll just let you guys know that from this point, unless the text is deliberately pointless, we don't require reasoning

Basically chetto, yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Epic gaming mrrp

[heady storm]

Ping Rover about it in this case Ig.

[sinful violet]

I think the point's been made at this point yeah lmao

@hollow shell Want to update whatever it is we update at this point for suggestions, if you want to

[heady storm]

The document does infact exist.

[sinful violet]

It's such a minor change I don't think it's necessary either

[tawny garden]

The document does infact exist.

[sinful violet]

What document, the one about "don'ts"?

[heady storm]

Sure, if you want to count that.

[sinful violet]

That's my point, it doesn't.

[heady storm]

"Reasoning should be on all suggestions, the only exception being emote suggestions."

[sinful violet]

That doc ain't exactly where people're gonna go to look for that

And keep in mind people don't read those things

[heady storm]

So it's just an unwritten precedent.

[sinful violet]

Probably simpler to just keep it in mind yeah

People are going to write reasons otherwise and we're not gonna care either way

[heady storm]

And keep in mind people don't read those things
"Check the pins."

[sinful violet]

I wish that worked

[earnest cape]

[sinful violet]

Anyway, we can go with just a rule of common sense for now

We can manage that at the very least

[cobalt pewter]

[heady storm]

Yeah, of course.

[sinful violet]

@dapper coral A ping so you can catch up later if you want, but we can remove the reaction.

General rule of thumb can be what I mentioned before, the reasoning doesn't need to be there and the suggestion only has to be flagged if the text's deliberately pointless.

[heady storm]

(We share a timezone, he went to bed a few minutes ago.)

[cobalt pewter]

(chetto sleep then )

[earnest cape]

^

[heady storm]

I practically work the nightshift now.

[earnest cape]

[sinful violet]

(That is why the ping lasts until he sees it after all)

[tawny garden]

If you removed the exclamation on mrrp's sugg, you should also remove it on I hate sand's

[cobalt pewter]

That's a given no?

[heady storm]

The concept of a trans bee emote is unique, funny, and random, trans bee, trans bee.
I think this is what counts as "deliberately pointless."

@unreal viper just remove this line and you'll be fine.

[tawny garden]

Excess reasoning shouldn't be a don't imo

I can see why it's bad, but

You shouldn't disallow suggs just because of it

(And I'd also like to see what Rover has to say on this)

[sinful violet]

Deliberately pointless as in "funny, and random, trans bee, trans bee"

[tawny garden]

(tbf I think he made the sugg just to make fun of you)

[glass sentinel]

meanie

[tawny garden]

But it still should be valid

A sugg should never "have too much stuff in it"

[distant vault]

transbee suggestion but it's an essay analysis into how the colors of pink and blue pop out and keep your eyes on the bright colors

[sinful violet]

The sugg was kinda purposefully shitty to get the point across admittedly probably easier to just tell people change the ruling myself as an admin but I was bored, but it's not a standard

You said yourself it's mostly a mockery anyway, after all

[tawny garden]

The sugg was kinda purposefully shitty to get the point across
Purposefully shitty sugg

That actually makes it a joke sugg

[heady storm]

So it's still invalid with that pointless description.

[sinful violet]

Remember the last time I just tried to directly tell people that overwording suggestions was pointless

[dapper coral]

I’d like to keep the exclam on IHS’s until i hear what rover has to say, and also since he was the one who pinged in the first place

I was asleep but now I’m awake and now I’m going back to sleep

[earnest cape]

good morning and good night demik

[heady storm]

Go back to resting friend.

[earnest cape]

ironic

[dapper coral]

The sugg was kinda purposefully shitty to get the point across admittedly probably easier to just tell people change the ruling myself as an admin but I was bored, but it's not a standard
@sinful violet that’s fine, I was mostly thrown off by this. It would have been a lot clearer to just say that emote sugg formats need to change but it’s resolved in the end

[gray nebula]

if we r gonna have almost reasoningless emote suggs the emote gotta be useful and that trans bee doesn't seem to fit the bill especially compared to smug2

[sinful violet]

I'm probably just too withdrawn from what the server is these days

[gilded crow]

so, I can't make a suggestion for a shadowspec item, but can I suggest for someone to think about how the vampire knives become the illustrous knives while the scourge of the corruptor stops at yharon tier

[hollow sierra]

not even yharon tier, phase 1 yharon tier

[gilded crow]

yeah

[hollow sierra]

what functionality would it have though, vampire knives go from bouncing on empyrean to homing on illustrious, scourge is already bouncing and goes to homing with cosmos

inb4 it gets healing

and what about the other 3 biome items?

[cobalt pewter]

Equality doesn't exist

Just look at post Yharon class weapons

[tawny garden]

[frozen storm]

Bruv, Plaguebringer wants that SCal needs nerf?

Why

[craggy stratus]

one sentence: scal is a superboss

[frozen storm]

Yes

[craggy stratus]

beside, scal has received plenty of nerf already

[frozen storm]

They nerfed their DR

And that's Huge nerf

[gilded crow]

hey, is there a suggestion about a silva invencibility rework?

[serene fox]

(dr nerf is most likely just to adjust with the flattening of the power curve)

[craggy stratus]

that is 1.5

yeah

hey, is there a suggestion about a silva invencibility rework?
not sure

[serene fox]

no not exactly

[frozen storm]

Yes

[gilded crow]

cuz, I have an eloquent rant about how it could and why it should be reworked

[serene fox]

feel free to suggest it then

oh yeah and read the pins and shit

[gilded crow]

thank u

[craggy stratus]

so anything beside pins is shit

[serene fox]

basically

[frozen storm]

[hardy dock]

Yeah I almost always just use Godslayer over Silva

Frankly it's just better

Plus I hate the Lead Core

[craggy stratus]

it, isnt better?

with silva you can tank ~5 more shots in 10 seconds

in one limited time

[hardy dock]

Only when Invulnerability occurs

[craggy stratus]

for godslayer, you have a 45 sec windows of not getting hit and without hp regen (iirc)

yes my point

[hardy dock]

Silva permanently penalizes your max life and leaves you extremely vulnerable once the effect wears off

And it's once per life

[cobalt pewter]

That's why you don't get hit when the invul is up

[hardy dock]

bruh

[craggy stratus]

there has been sugg to make silva invunerability revert when the bossfight end

and half of the time it ends, you die, so it revert anyway

[hardy dock]

But so long as that isn't in the game, God Slayer is better

And now, God Slayer has been buffed by only halving your regen, not removing it

[hollow sierra]

the amount of times it procs but you still beat the boss is a minority of boss attempts i feel

[craggy stratus]

@hardy dock that is next update

[hardy dock]

It's still worth noting

[gilded crow]

is it good?
my sugg

[hardy dock]

yeah

[craggy stratus]

another point: silva wings let you heal to half hp when the revive proc

[hardy dock]

Wait I just checked the wiki

The regen buff on God Slayer was in the last update

The small hotfix last week

[gilded crow]

there is an update?

[craggy stratus]

ah

[hardy dock]

Just a couple small balance changes

[gilded crow]

aah thanks

[hardy dock]

I'll die on the God Slayer hill

[gilded crow]

me 2

[sleek hornet]

#general-media message should this be posted in sugg?

[gilded crow]

what?

[hardy dock]

Wait God Slayer has the 2% chance

[frail mantle]

no

[hardy dock]

To take no damage briefly

[frail mantle]

you can just hand the video over to the testers and they'll take it from there

[hollow sierra]

I think silva revive is probably fine as is aside from max health needing to reset to normal if you're not in a boss fight

[hardy dock]

yeah

[sleek hornet]

you can just hand the video over to the testers and they'll take it from there
@frail mantle who?

[hardy dock]

The penalty is waaay too big

That's my main issue with silva

[craggy stratus]

2% is way too low

i dont even know why it exists

[gilded crow]

2% what?

[hollow sierra]

its meant to be your last chance if you get hit on god slayer cooldown and if you buff base silva you also need to buff silva wings and draconic elixir too keep them a significant upgrade to the effect

[hardy dock]

It's enough to save my ass from time to time

[gilded crow]

I'm lost on this

[craggy stratus]

2% dodge chance basically

[gilded crow]

aah
wow, that's pathetic

15% is the minimum to be worthwhile

[hardy dock]

I think 5-10% is good

It already has all those other effects

[craggy stratus]

2% dodge chance is more of a clutch than actual mechanic

[gilded crow]

yeah

[hardy dock]

^

[gilded crow]

it has a lot already

[hollow sierra]

2% is alot of you compare it to nebulous core and the commitment that requires to use

eg a slot

[hardy dock]

yeah Nebulous Core is just better Spore Sac

[hollow sierra]

it could probably be 5% though

[hardy dock]

Nah 10% is fine

[gilded crow]

hope my sugg gets into the voting

[hollow sierra]

built in black belt

[craggy stratus]

second because the godslayer set is a safer option

you need to elaborate on this

[hardy dock]

God Slayer's bonus has a better revive that has a timer

[gilded crow]

you need to elaborate on this
@craggy stratus on it

[cobalt pewter]

Again, another convoluted sugg, and the proposed idea seem too specific

[hardy dock]

Rather than a one-off invulnerability

Again, another convoluted sugg, and the proposed idea seem too specific
@cobalt pewter Nah it's mostly fine

[craggy stratus]

silva have silva wings

[hardy dock]

Silva wings means you can't use tracers

Which is massive

[craggy stratus]

95% time you dont run in yharon fight

[cobalt pewter]

^

[hardy dock]

You still need speed

[cobalt pewter]

Tracers are kinda useless in Yharon fight

You actually need flight time more for the BHs

[craggy stratus]

^

speed, of running, is useless in air-focused fight

[gilded crow]

yeah, but it's good form me since I use the shiv

[hollow sierra]

boot acceleration does matter for flying

[craggy stratus]

how come

[hollow sierra]

spaghetti code

[gilded crow]

is there a Core of the Blood God suggestion already or nah

[hollow sierra]

core buff/rework is already in the works

[gilded crow]

ooh
HYPE

[frozen storm]

They should do something with Silvia max hp recovery

[hollow sierra]

explain

[hollow sierra]

do you mean what the wings/elixir does or how the max hp reduction is permanent

[frozen storm]

Make max hp reduction not a permanent

That's what i want

[hollow sierra]

yeah, it really shouldn't be

Here's a question, if you make it so it goes away when a boss dies, what happens if it procs elsewhere

like during a solar eclipse or something

[modern arrow]

Did the second to last guy forget about beetle

[frozen storm]

What about potions

It reverts you hp, and you cant use it when boss is alive or any event is active

[modern arrow]

no but really

[craggy stratus]

sounds good to me

[modern arrow]

beetle armor exists

[frozen storm]

Why beetle armor

When we have Hydrothermic armoe

[craggy stratus]

beetle straight up more superior

[unreal viper]

I did a thing

Beetle is better ye

[gilded crow]

y'all think a suggestion to make the alicorn pet have a max speed animation like the unicorn pet would be a waste of time?

[unreal viper]

Scale mail is basically straight brtter

[weak field]

That'd probably be a good idea tbh griss

[craggy stratus]

it doesnt have maximum speed animation?

[gilded crow]

nope.

[craggy stratus]

then thats fine

[weak field]

Since it also does damage at max speed

[gilded crow]

then someone else post it cuz i just posted one

please, it'd be weird if I posted twice in a row[

[craggy stratus]

you arent feedzuh

dont worry

you can post max 3 suggs

[gilded crow]

at once or at all

[craggy stratus]

@cobalt pewter hi im calling you out

max 3 currents in #suggestions-posting

[gilded crow]

ah
I have one, the other one got into voting

[craggy stratus]

you can post 2 more

[gilded crow]

well, let's-a-||fucking||-go

[unreal viper]

i deleted the line I was supposed to delete.

[cobalt pewter]

[gilded crow]

done

I got one final idea for a grapple

but I don't know how to word it

[unreal viper]

Do you mean hook?

[gilded crow]

it's basically:
bobbit worm slow, grapple good for flight reset, YEET on bossfights for distance, make it post DoG

Do you mean hook?
@unreal viper yes

[unreal viper]

Sis are not allowed

Hook sugg might work.

[gilded crow]

sis?

[unreal viper]

Although it is in frequently asked suggestions.

Actually nvm, you just wnat a post dog hook right?

[gilded crow]

yeah

named the dog

[unreal viper]

Then it's not specfic.

People will bring up the don't thing

Although I would say that considering calamity still only offers two hooks, another sugg would be warranted.

[gilded crow]

People will bring up the don't thing
@unreal viper the don't thing?

[craggy stratus]

wait, what the hook beside bobbit

[gilded crow]

serpent's bite

[craggy stratus]

another thing i have never heard of

[modern arrow]

Hooks are pretty irrelevant after hard mode

[cobalt pewter]

Kinda wanna sugg something regarding hostile projectiles in general

But eh

[gilded crow]

Kinda wanna sugg something regarding hostile projectiles in general
@cobalt pewter what?

[cobalt pewter]

Essentially, making most projectiles at lower than a certain effective velocity not able to damage the player for a short time after they're spawned

[unreal viper]

Hm.

To allow more oppurtunities for true melee and rewarding staying close

[cobalt pewter]

Essentially

[zealous ridge]

I don’t know if that would work as a blanket change so to speak

I know it wouldn’t affect projectiles above the given velocity

but then you’ve got accelerating projectile

projectiles that slow down

projectiles that travel instantly or not at all

I guess I would need a bit more context

to say how I like that

like, how slow would this projectile speed be?

[frozen storm]

Gris

S

When Alicorn reaches her max speed, she emits particle for a while

Like unicorn

Oh, i just checked

She doesnt

[cobalt pewter]

Actually imma sugg smth else

[modern arrow]

Would yoyo does true melee damage be a bad suggestion

[weak field]

yes

Because it removes the point of true melee which is high risk high reward

And a long ass yoyo string really don't bring as much risks

[modern arrow]

yea but yoyos are kinda trash

but I could just be wrong

maybe yoyos are secretly the best weapon type

[sharp prism]

they are

not

[cobalt pewter]

This is probably just a stealth rogue thing but like

Dude, I shouldn't be obligated to use ufo for this kinda shit

Actually yeah probably stealth rogue thing, everyone else can just spam their weapons

[modern arrow]

Does calamity ever change vanilla bosses like that

[zealous ridge]

yes

Quite often

so I think it’s precedented

[civic notch]

I think yo-yos could use a buff

Be it true melee or otherwise

[zealous ridge]

yo-yos are just so bad

an entire subclass added with no variety because red like yo-yo

[modern arrow]

So it would be a good suggestion 👀

[zealous ridge]

mm

it’s funny to me, as well

Calamity adds almost exclusively yo-yos with projectiles

the only yo-yo that doesn’t have one is lacerator

[river glen]

would u guys say plantera is in a good position

[modern arrow]

The yoyo projectiles kinda suck ngl, you want to use it like a normal one anyway

[cobalt pewter]

Microwave has an aura

[modern arrow]

At least phm

[river glen]

and its a microwave

[cobalt pewter]

And iirc Oracle's aura generate on hits?

[zealous ridge]

for the purposes of like, the range of yo-yos I consider microwave and oracle technically still projectile generating

Fault line and solar flare technically don’t have projectiles either they just explode on enemy hits, which the explosion counts as one

it’s not a projectile in the traditional sense

[modern arrow]

Like yoyos suck so bad I don’t think stuff like dodge scarf boosting the damage would break them

[zealous ridge]

and yet adding fucking super yo-yo bag makes them broken

😳

[modern arrow]

Well there is no super yoyo bag :p

[zealous ridge]

Not in this mod yea

but I mean just the yo-yo expansion thing

My point in mentioning is that one minor change fucking breaks them balance wise

like, yo-yo glove is already a 2x dps multiplier

[worthy lintel]

A multiplier out of a low number is ultimately fair

[modern arrow]

Well then you would probably just make the base damage if yoyos weaker if they got too broken

[zealous ridge]

Yo-yo guy Thomas would probably have more to say on it

well now the entirety of this class’s effectiveness is relegated to one item

[jovial spire]

suprised he isnt already here considering there's yoyo talk

[zealous ridge]

If you don’t have glove they are literally 50% less damage

[modern arrow]

That’s already how it is wym

[zealous ridge]

Yes

I’m saying it’s a problem

[modern arrow]

Is it tho

[zealous ridge]

Yo-yos can already be considered bad with the glove

as you’ve said

this makes them even more niche

[modern arrow]

they’re already niche

[sharp prism]

yoyo's are ass in general

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[modern arrow]

So does it really matter

[sharp prism]

ive done yoyo only

terrible

[zealous ridge]

it’ll make even less people use them that’s for sure

[modern arrow]

I don’t think so

Because if yoyos are better then more people will use them

simple as that

[zealous ridge]

?

I’m not sure what your arguing here

[modern arrow]

As in buffing yoyos

Making them stronger

[zealous ridge]

I mean yes

I understand that I just mean like

[craggy stratus]

are we suggesting to make a subclass viable

[zealous ridge]

even if you buff yo-yos they are contengent on the glove

otherwise they are practically useless in every case

[sharp prism]

yoyo's could get a general base damage increase but have the yoyo bags yoyo only do a percentage of that dmg

[modern arrow]

I don’t see what’s wrong with the yoyo glove being mandatory

[zealous ridge]

It just limits load out variety

without offering anything interesting

like: ok I use this item and now my subclass is viable but I lose out on... anything else I could equip

[modern arrow]

I’d argue that it creates more variety in the game

[zealous ridge]

i think a good example

[modern arrow]

Because if you’re not using yoyos you just use your standard stat increase accessory

[craggy stratus]

it doesnt limit variety, at all

[modern arrow]

Now with this one weapon type you get to use a different accessory

[craggy stratus]

if yoyo is viable without yoyo gear, people wont be using it

[modern arrow]

Which is the whole point of variety

If you take away yoyo bag that’s removing an accessory = less variety

In the game as a whole

[zealous ridge]

I’m not saying it has to be removed, is the thing

yo-yo bag can still improve yo-yos and make them a bit more viable

[modern arrow]

well if you’re going to be using yoyo bag either way what’s the point

[zealous ridge]

but I don’t want it to either be useless or okay because of one item

[modern arrow]

And if it’s worse to use yoyo bag that could be seen as getting rid of it

[zealous ridge]

because some people might want to use yo-yos without investing in the accessory

[modern arrow]

Then make it easier to get

Not that I think it’s particularly difficult

[zealous ridge]

no I mean

Like using an accessory slot for the bag

[craggy stratus]

you can argue the same with summoner sentry class

[zealous ridge]

not like actual obtainability

[modern arrow]

That’s just part of using yoyos

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think it should be

[modern arrow]

Everything has accessories they want to equip

If it’s yoyos it’s yoyo bag

[zealous ridge]

but not everyone wants to use exclusively yo-yos...?

[modern arrow]

Well then they aren’t using yoyos?

[zealous ridge]

what

that’s the entire issue I’m talking about

[modern arrow]

Are you saying you want yoyos to be another melee weapon you can simply use in tandem with like a sword

[zealous ridge]

yes...?

what do you mean by that

[civic notch]

Idk man I kinda like idea of yo-yos being its own subclass that requires a set-up

[modern arrow]

Say you’re using a sword

I do to

[civic notch]

It’s kinda the point

[modern arrow]

You want to just be able to swap to yoyo

[civic notch]

Of a subclass

[modern arrow]

Without changing load out

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think the setup has to be relegated to the yo-yo bag

[modern arrow]

I would disagree with that viewpoint but I can at least understand it

[zealous ridge]

Consider that yo-yo bag is practically speaking just a damage multiplier

[civic notch]

Then what if you also have other yo-yo accessories

[zealous ridge]

to me, that’s different from say, an accessory that increases the range of spears

[civic notch]

So it becomes more of a subclass

[violet minnow]

why we talking about yoyos

[zealous ridge]

Discussing subclasses

[modern arrow]

Because I considered suggesting buffing yoyos so now we’re talking about the problems with yoyos

[zealous ridge]

yeah I can agree that yo-yos need a buff

they just bad

lol

[modern arrow]

tru

[zealous ridge]

More yo-yo accessories would be a decent help

allowing for variety within the subclass

[modern arrow]

oh so you would rather

The yoyo bag be split up

[zealous ridge]

not even split

[modern arrow]

Into different buffs from more accessories

[zealous ridge]

just more options

[civic notch]

No please just

Give more options

[zealous ridge]

yo-yo bag could still be there yea

[civic notch]

The yo-yo bag is fine but more unique accessories for yo-yo too

[modern arrow]

Actually I kinda like that

[zealous ridge]

example: yo-yo counterweights that activate yo-yo hyper mode when they strike an enemy for a short time

so it’s more burst focused and close-range focused

[modern arrow]

But then I don’t think that more yoyo boosting accessories that take up the space of other useful accessories really buffs yoyos all that much

[civic notch]

A yo-yo accessory that makes the line of the yo-yo do contact damage for early pre hardmode

[modern arrow]

Unless they’re super busted

But then you have more auto include yoyo bags

[zealous ridge]

they could be alternatives to yo-yo glove

somewhat

Like there would be an accessory slot you could dedicate to yo-yo

and it could be yo-yo bag

[modern arrow]

I’d feel bad calling that a waste of time, but why really bother

When bag already exists

Just for the sake of forced variety

[zealous ridge]

there really isn’t variety in yo-yo subclass anyways

it’s not really forced, it’s beneficial

[modern arrow]

The yoyo class itself is the variety I think

Among the slew of other weapon types

[zealous ridge]

sure I guess you could go with that

but we’re talking accessories

like let’s say yo-yos are generally pretty weak without a yo-yo specific accessory investment

but there are options that make them way more viable

Yo-yo bag is the simple damage doubler

also I find it hard to argue yo-yo is variety

When they all do the same fucking thing lol

[modern arrow]

ur not wrong

But at some point don’t all the sword projectiles blend together

[zealous ridge]

yea

it’s a problem with melee in general

temporal floe sword and terra blade are functionally exactly the same

only in debuff affliction, damage and some other minor property do they differ

[craggy stratus]

alright my sugg is up, feel free to discuss while i consume nutrition

[modern arrow]

I think melees thing is the different kinda of weapons and not how those types keep changing

So instead of each sword being different from the last

[violet dagger]

did mrrp remove the ❗ from his sugg

[modern arrow]

You have swords, yoyos, 1.4 maces

Stuff like the solar weapons

Are cool

[violet minnow]

did mrrp remove the ❗ from his sugg
i dont think mrrp even needs to make a sugg, hes just doing it to avoid abuse of power

[modern arrow]

Like I could argue that ranged is just all projectiles the end

[violet minnow]

well accusations of abuse of power

[modern arrow]

While melee has some unique stuff in it

[tawny garden]

@hollow shell what do you think of the two emoji suggs
pinging you once again just in case

[cobalt pewter]

Spam ping

[worthy lintel]

What's wrong with pings

[violet minnow]

also read changelogs

they reduced them in the next update

[sand umbra]

@quasi sinew voodoo demon spawn rates are already being meganerfed for next update

[quasi sinew]

yeah but not after hard mode

at least he didn't say it

[hardy dock]

They’ve already been lowered twice in the patch notes

And voodoo dolls aren’t sold so you need to get them manually

[violet minnow]

yah

but also format the sugg correctly

you need a shift + enter

and also a reason

and probably a bolded text

as the title