did you know, if you tab out of calamity with the microwave active, the mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm continues
#suggestions-discussion
gilded crow
violet minnow
hmmmmm
pine star
Seriously?
violet minnow
so grabber and microwave are good
worthy lintel
Oracle is just a red microwave but crippled
gilded crow
because no mmmmmmmmmmmm
but really,
did you know, if you tab out of calamity with the microwave active, the mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm continues
try this out
it's dumb
violet minnow
its not a bug
cobalt pewter
#suggestions-voting message
170 votes 
violet minnow
its a feature
gilded crow
yes
violet minnow
okay so its been a week so we can repost now
gilded crow
oh, my submission got in
pine star
Ok
sleek girder
one person has 198
pine star
pine star
It's at 199 now
violet minnow
200
ashen warren
just reached 200
river glen
gilded crow
btw, what are the green checkmarks and the thumbs up?
please help
hollow sierra
read the pins in #suggestions-voting
sleek girder
check the pins
worthy lintel
gilded crow
thanls
sleek girder
that's one of the discord mod catchphrases
no memes in general, check the pins, etc
gilded crow
I hope I get a 🛠️
sleek girder
i hope mine even reaches 200
gilded crow
btw, what are server suggestions?
sleek girder
though i posted it like yesterday so
worthy lintel
suggestions to improve discord
summer sentinel
It perhaps can, for now, stay on the topic for suggestions in this channel if you will write one or comment on a current sugg
sleek girder
server suggestions are suggestions for the discord
gilded crow
eh
well, farewell for now
tawny garden
"I Apologize, i know this is a really dumb request, but" shouldn't be in the title
@ashen warren
ashen warren
ok
wooden wedge
also the tooltip has 7 because its a reference to the 7 grand dad meme
not another one
wooden wedge
wouldnt make sense to change the tooltip to an unrelated meme
gray nebula
Change tooltip to Fleent stones???
summer sentinel
This is, a very random suggestion change for a tooltip
sleek turret
yep, its called Grand Dad after Joel Varghskeletor accidentally made Silvagunner.
dim star
alright the new suggestion needs to make it into the game
gray nebula
it actually dosnt
craggy stratus
meme sugg 
summer sentinel
just going to exclamation that because it's really not prevalent to the item nor is it really that valid for a tooltip change
dim star
isnt grand dad already a meme name
sleek turret
idk, making a suggestion to change the tooltip of a thing for the sake of the reference is a don't.
Grand Dad, is also a meme game by some chinese people.
Aka: Bootleg Fleenstones game.
wooden wedge
isnt grand dad already a meme name
the full meme is "7 grand dad", which is why the tooltip is 7
summer sentinel
Yes, but the tooltip being even more memey to it and not prevalent to the item at all means that the tooltip wouldn't even make sense nor will it be added into the game
summer sentinel
Like granted yes, quasar's tooltip is "succ" BUT, this one is calling for a change of tooltip for this item without any real basis or anything idk it's just a no, quasar is special ok
sleek turret
yep, uhh, its literally a joke alredy putting Grand Dad to an item and '7' on it at all.
summer sentinel
AD RIV drop
sleek turret
Quasar, RIV droped by Astral Deus.
dim star
i think its a borderlands reference
sleek turret
it says succ because it literally sucks enemies.
dim star
those make me happy
there is a grenade called "quasar" in borderlands that sucks enemies in before exploding
so i think that is what it is referencing
ashen warren
ok. these arguments make sense. thank you.
dim star
it wouldn't be the first borderlands reference
gray nebula
yharim boss
ancient mirage
thats planned
violet minnow
its planned right
dim star
its already planned
sleek turret
Thats a Don't anyways.
violet minnow
yah
dim star
the final super boss im pretty sure
violet minnow
like no sugg bosses or smth
zenith hazel
@ashen warren refer to above
hollow shell
You cannot make boss suggestions
tawny garden
why is it
violet minnow
but its in pins
ancient mirage
hes gonna be the final boss, scal wont be a superboss anymore
violet minnow
there can be more than one super boss
violet minnow
ye that makes sence
hollow shell
Philo please
ashen warren
its already planned
@dim star ok, I didn't know
violet minnow
philo be arguing with devs
dim star
good idea though
violet minnow
i swear people need to read the pins
dim star
but it was already thought of
violet minnow
it says planned bosses in a pin somewhere
hollow shell
#calamity-mod-talk iirc
violet minnow
i think in the qna in help and advice
ashen warren
sorry if I caused a problem, is that I really didn’t know I had already planned
hollow shell
violet minnow
i dont visit general chats
hollow shell
Neither do I
tawny garden
we need something more effective than pins
violet minnow
we need a channel which just has all the super important pins in it
probably not though
people can just read them
violet minnow
ye but its also in the qna in help and advice
ancient mirage
there are probably some people that just dont know that the rules are in the pins and assumed they would all be in the rules channel
violet minnow
and your susposed to read those pins as in the channel name
we need a rule about pins
tawny garden
hop into #bugs-read-pins and see how many people do what the channel name tells them to do
violet minnow
0
hollow shell
smh imagine not reading the rules
tawny garden
hollow shell
Super Rules
violet minnow
what if we pinned the rules
hollow shell
What if we pinned the rules on the donkey
ancient mirage
welcome bot that says the entire rule list every time someone joins
violet minnow
not bad idea
tawny garden
sends them into a DM, but people have DMs off so it won't work either
the only way out of this is
pulling an XSS onto everyone who joins the server
violet minnow
there is a lot of stuff in the rules channel
dim star
maybe the rules could include the rules for all the channels
tawny garden
which is against Discord ToS iirc
dim star
what
tawny garden
to break the client
violet minnow
hmm there isnt much to do
dim star
i thought you were talking to me
tawny garden
Sand did exactly that lol
dim star
wait
summer sentinel
I feel like it should be edited in the channel description here to read pins, perhaps that can be arranged?
dim star
what if we put "read-pins" in the title of every channel
tawny garden
Lauren
violet minnow
even so no one reads pins in #help-advice-read-pins or #bugs-read-pins
tawny garden
people don't read the description
violet minnow
true
summer sentinel
Well it's something better than nothing
violet minnow
ye
summer sentinel
Let me correct you on that Philo:
people don't read
tawny garden
I've seen a lot of people who D O N ' T R E A D S E R V E R N A M E S
summer sentinel
(this is inclusive of me but shhhh)
tawny garden
summer sentinel
I'll do you even 1 more better
don't
tawny garden
what if I do
summer sentinel
You get sent to the stratosphere
tawny garden
yeee
violet minnow
d
tawny garden
send me
tawny garden
I want to do a spacewalk
violet minnow
the rules in the rules channel is kinda long
summer sentinel
go to moon
violet minnow
what if the rules channel was revamped
summer sentinel
Ok go back to suggestions now
weak field
Well because every line is necessary
tawny garden
how do you shorten it? by removing a few rules?
no
if you remove explanations, people start to ask stupid questions
"Why can't I send boobies"
violet minnow
i guess its just really spific
it does its job and the issue isnt the rules channel
its that people dont read the rules channel and there for dont read the pins
violet minnow
yes
remove people
people are annoying and dont read the rules or the pins. this is an easy fix
tawny garden
tawny garden
@wary herald your title should be "make the sea shell craftable"
cause what you have rn isn't a sentence
summer sentinel
do you mean "make it more common"? since they aren't suggesting it to be more craftable
ancient mirage
they have 2 different suggestions solving the same problem
tawny garden
huh
I was just going through suggs from top to bottom
yeah and the first sugg about making it craftable is really smol
is it even valid
probably is, but, could be elaborated more
summer sentinel
I didn't even see that one, though it can/should be combined into the latest sugg since it's a bit repetitive
Just make it an "or" option since both outcomes are favorable
tawny garden
yeah
Make the Biome Chest weapons craftable
lol that was sugged by Ben a while back
it was approved, but not implemented
hollow shell
("Make craftable the sea shell" is understandable, albeit archaic)
tawny garden
radiant meadow
brb flagging my own sugg
hollow shell
(Did we make it so the Dungeon and Abyss can never overlap?)
(since the posting of that sugg?)
tawny garden
no iirc
tawny garden
cause it's a pain in the anus
violet minnow
"its hard to change vanilla world generation"
is what i was told when i made a sugg about dungeon generation
tawny garden
I made this sugg a bit later: #suggestions-voting message
wasn't told anything at the time
but then decades a few months later I was told that locked chests are 
& 
summer sentinel
Someone suggested it being craftable but this works as well
sleek girder
lego?!?
crystal iron
I think it would make a lot of sense for it to he sold by permafrost
Cuz cryo is probably the first boss u fight in hardmode and the snow legion is also "pre hard mode boss" event and it's a snow event
sharp prism
frost legion is hm
sharp prism
you said pre hm
crystal iron
Pre hm boss
violet minnow
pre hm boss for some people means prehardmode boss. for others it means before hardmode bosses
golden narwhal
Just depends on the context, byea
sharp prism
thats why we say pre mech boss
summer sentinel
You can do frost legion in prehm I think but it's recommended for hm after pre mech so yeah, after cryogen, before mechs
tawny garden
or you can just
not do it
because 1) it's a rare sight and 2) it's fucking pointless
summer sentinel
the second point can be addressed to make it more unique, the first one I got nothing to support it
hardy dock
I mean no reason not to make him sell it
Good way to get snow
And makes it more consistent with other events
sleek girder
can someone post a sugg i want to talk 👀
summer sentinel
what do you mean by"post"?
heady storm
Why not post one yourself then?
sleek girder
can't currently think of any
summer sentinel
oh, suggestions will come in time, no need to rush
heady storm
More Omniscience suggestions, gogogo.
signal glade
i like that suggestion about grand dad
summer sentinel
this probably is a thing in 1.4 to be honest because of how you can wire toilets in 1.4 to have an animation
signal glade
but it would better if the toilet has the tesla effect when placed too?
summer sentinel
sure. a lightning toilet sounds promising
sleek girder
that's what i mean
it should get auric tesla effect when you place it
currently it's just a gold toilet
signal glade
ah it was not specific i thought give the toilet an animation while in the inventory my bad
dapper coral
edit the title, it's a little unclear
tawny garden
animation of an electric toilet spewing out electric poo everywhere
dapper coral
say "give the toilet visual effects"
tawny garden
signal glade
dim star
I think this suggestion is actually good
weak field
Was about to say that the eletricity probably hurts your butt
And I remembered that cactus chair is a thing
crude geode
violet minnow
smart
pine star
violet dagger
sharp prism
elemental toilet
sleek girder
@forest grotto cant you just turn them into their rogue and melee variants? you can just go to the crafting station and make it rogue/melee as long as you have the weapon
for example triactus mage hammer
pine star
No
sharp prism
with calamity loot swap mod yes
ancient mirage
thats what the suggestion is asking for
pine star
But if you're melee and you get rogue Corpus Avertor, you're screwed
sharp prism
i can see why you would want it in the main mod though
forest grotto
Like an idiot I crafted the melee variant of the knives that leech, I was screwed
sleek girder
for now id just get calamity loot swap and revert it and see if it gets implemented into main
gaunt quest
What that exists
sharp prism
very confusing when you go to craft elemental disk then realis oh shit i crafted the melee variant of the subduction slicer
crude geode
This has been brought up. I can’t remember if it’s been shot down every time, or if it’s passed at all.
cobalt pewter
Weren't hybrids planned to be ceased either way? At least melee/rogue ones I gather from what ozz and ben said
pine star
Kelvin Catalyst and Corpus Avertor would still be hybrids iirc
cobalt pewter
I was pretty sure Kelvin would be changed, but not other donor weapons iirc
craggy stratus
isnt there a mod that allow to change the damage type
cobalt pewter
craggy stratus
calamity loot shop i think
cobalt pewter
That's just ozz. Ben said that only melee/rogue hybrids might get this treatment, unlike all non-donor hybrids as ozz said
crude geode
@forest grotto You should prolly at least address the Calamity loot swap mod, as it does what you’re specifically asking for.
sand umbra
so you don't have to worry about crafting the wrong melee/rogue variant weapon with a mod nobody's heard of? pog!
cobalt pewter
pine star
craggy stratus
pog indeed
heady storm
So just right when you can get life alloy.
cobalt pewter
Essentially yes
earnest cape
sounds good imo
summer sentinel
I see Feedzuh, so the plating is just a filler material basically but it should just be something that's post-golem itself, yeah that's fair
then plating is just reversed for the non t3 draedon stuff
cobalt pewter
Mhm
The only other counterpoint to Plating's existence in the crafting is T1's Meteorite Bars, but even then, you don't even need to kill any boss to get them (at least pre 1.4)
dapper coral
the only issue with this is that it drops armor plating's uses to 4 instead of 9 (counting plaguebringer armor as one item), which would contribute a bit to material bloat
not really something that you need to worry about though for the sugg, ig
cobalt pewter
Well it's part of a dedicated armor, so I won't really touch on the material bloat that early
Byeah
hot zephyr
I thought the whole point Plating was in the Draedon's arsenal gear was to give PBG a greater reason to be fought
cobalt pewter
I don't see any of the arsenal weapons being something worth paining on PBG over and over tbh
That said, my whole opinion in PBG is that she's worse Duke
Immensely harder to fight yet kinda meh loot
Compared to Duke which is relatively balanced yet has pretty pogger loots
sleek girder
poggers?!?
forest grotto
Old duke is a PITA tho
craggy stratus
we dont talk about duke decapicator do we
signal glade
why havent changing rogue to melee a thing?
craggy stratus
It is planned
signal glade
i really wish, changing classess late game then crafting the wrong item haunts me
limber ocean
radiant meadow
They're not being swappable. That's what I said.
smoky wagon
maybe address how insane PBG is if its too big of a difficulty spike
last time i played PBG was insane and i've only seen it get more and more buffs in the changelogs
same goes for fishron but that might just be me
serene fox
she got nerfed to hell and back since she was so insane
haven't fought her now but she should be much better
smoky wagon
i know the charges aren't BS anymore which is nice
the other attacks were fine really just those stupid charges would randomly not let you react at all
she also kept getting HP buffs which i didnt really get
violet minnow
last time i played PBG was insane and i've only seen it get more and more buffs in the changelogs
its been getting nerfs
lots of them
smoky wagon
yes as of very recently
but until the most recent update it was getting tons of buffs
im pretty sure the boss is fine now because all they really needed to do was fix the charges as i mentioned
cobalt pewter
The charges are still relatively a problem yes, because there's no real telegraph and PBG's hitbox is still ungodly big
Also I find the rocket spam attack a bit flawed, since you can go right behind the arc or on top of it and negate it entirely, plus there's also no real telegraph on them
earnest cape
you mean the nuke barrages?
cobalt pewter
Mhm
golden narwhal
Tbf they do start quite slow
cobalt pewter
It's either you negate them almost immediately or having no clue where to dodge until it's probably too late
frozen storm
Did someone again pinged me?
serene fox
looks like rover pinged you again yeah
frozen storm
serene fox
(you can just check your inbox for pings btw)
frozen storm
Not a big deal
summer sentinel
this suggestion might be a SIS but don't think it is, though valid point
since it does kind of make sense if you think about it
cobalt pewter
It's veering towards SIS
golden narwhal
Doesn't seem like it is
cobalt pewter
"Yharim's Arsenal" think made me so
dapper coral
it's not SIS because it's not giving it a name or effects
cobalt pewter
But ig ye
dapper coral
but yes yharim's arsenal can go
golden narwhal
The "Yharim's a- yea
dapper coral
and also i'm not seeing much reasoning
golden narwhal
@ashen warren ^
Basically, remove this
There should also be a few other weapons in "Yharims Arsenal" because you could consider Draedon's arsenal just a group of weapons that Yharim's army uses. Yharim himself would use a different, more extremely powerful set of weapons that could be incorporated into the game
Since it doesn't contribute to the actual sugg's topic
And expand on reasoning stuff
heady storm
It's not a sis, you just need to remove what MrAsianMan prompted.
summer sentinel
o oaky, thanks Demik. I still get confused on SIS's here and there
languid quartz
my sugg is also a blue checkmark i think, here's the previous one (2.5 months ago) #suggestions-voting message
serene fox
it didn't get delivered so it's not bluecheck bronze
modern arrow
Yeet or boop what a classic
tepid root
cobalt pewter
It's not a "nerf" specifically
faint needle
god that sugg
brittle nexus
Reasoning..?
faint needle
how is it not checkmarked
brittle nexus
True
brittle nexus
Also the sandgun gets piercing sand with hardmode sand so eh already has it
Dont need to destroy your world any further
dense niche
yes
wooden wedge
Bad
dense niche
I edited it so it is more convincing
zenith hazel
no scaling suggestions
read the suggestion don'ts doc in the pins please
not to mention that serves literally 0 purpose
gray nebula
damn he said the idea was a good one if hes honest tho
tawny garden
somebody wanna place an exclamation?
faint needle
its no longer
dense niche
I'll admit, it was kinda a stupid idea in a way
tawny garden
@daring imp elaborate more on why you think there should be more weapons like that
dense niche
but it would've been great
sharp prism
ive seen suggs asking to rework stabber staff to be like the blade staff
but never like that
zealous ridge
Borealis bomber is too much like a magic weapon I think
just the lack of minion slot incorporation in some way
hardy dock
It’s too tedious to use it properly
sharp prism
^
hardy dock
You gotta get the enemies to chase you
zealous ridge
more interesting idea: make it a pseudo sentry that kinda follows your cursor and the cursor becomes the area that your bombs explode at
zealous ridge
kind of
but the sentry itself wouldn’t do damage
I agree it’s pretty similar
so eh
could probably be range/minion limited
hardy dock
Dazzling Stabbers are fun though, unlike Borealis
zealous ridge
the stabbers are lil daggers that float above your head and they shoot and chase after enemies I think
hardy dock
Yeah
zealous ridge
like they fire mini daggers
hardy dock
They’re entertaining to watch and good for Polter
zealous ridge
I mean they could be made to be more like blade staff...? Because it’s kind of a successor
It already seems similar enough though
And it’s a ways off from blade staff existing anyways
sharp prism
a really indirect upgrade to blade staff
hardy dock
That’s a suggestion I saw and really like
sharp prism
because currently no tmod 1.4
hardy dock
Its what I hope they do with it
daring imp
ok is it better now?!
sleek turret
@daring imp 'bomber staff' (Borealis Bomber) is not dropped by Astral Deus.
daring imp
oh sry my bad
zenith hazel
@daring imp why does it have to be dazzling stabber staff?
daring imp
because i think it should since it dissapears after attacking, i know that it reappers again but i think that it would fit perfecly with it
also this weapon is underpowered
zenith hazel
then we can buff it
if you want more weapons to act like borealis bomber, suggest adding more of them instead of reworking dazzling stabber
there's little reason for it to be reworked
daring imp
someone i'm playing with: how are you not dead?
me who just passed in the middle of a ton of boss projectiles: i have no idea!
hot zephyr
Blunder Booster should be a vertical teleport, change my mind.
worthy lintel
Spectral Veil
radiant meadow
The Z axis doesn't exist in Terraria, case closed.
pine star
zealous ridge
I don’t know about changing blunder booster like this but fair enough
most of my solutions are more all-encompassing for the rogue class in general
I agree that the separate hot key is awkward
Similar problems lie in the spectral teleport and the sand cloak barrier
Also, would plagued fuel pack be changed to this standard accordingly?
zealous ridge
so would that mean yes?
zealous ridge
I.. ok
I was just a bit confused about the lack of mention for the fuel pack
because I knew they would be functionally the same
worthy lintel
i only picked blunder booster because of a discussion in cal main talk
but it goes for both really
zealous ridge
ah, alright
The diagonal dash sucks yea
part of it is that you completely lose directional velocity
if I recall
after the dash executes
in general a diagonal dash will feel a bit awkward but the lack of velocity preservation and no real utility makes it a terrible mobility choice
now, I don’t know how I feel about a horizontal dash either..?
worthy lintel
dashes have been horizontal since they exist in the vanilla game
people enjoy them
zealous ridge
that much is true, they’re very versatile mobility tools
another way to go about it is to have it be a directional dash but that would require a hot key
most likely
so perhaps not ideal
the reason I’m unsure on horizontal dash is really just lack of precedent, specifically in the fact that it’s a class specific accessory that has utility that isn’t inherently exclusive to rogue
also to me it just sounds boring
Because we already have dash accessories that any class can use reliably
the difference would be stat allocation of course
worthy lintel
yea, dashing is boring, but its extremely effective
zealous ridge
that is a given
I think it should be more than a dash honestly, Is what I’m trying to get at
zealous ridge
like it could apply a rogue-based property to any dash accessory you have on
Ah yea
I recall seeing that
worthy lintel
zealous ridge
that does distinguish it but not if you want part of it to still retain a mobility improvement
Perhaps the barrier could grow with rogue stealth
And dashing causes it to lose its size for a little while but discharge chain lightning
worthy lintel
i did not expect an essay out of a dash change suggestion
i prefer to start simply
zealous ridge
yea
I just have a lot to say usually lmao
just things to consider
I think the suggestion is fine
zealous ridge
as do I
ashen lark
Isnt polter post providence?
worthy lintel
you can go straight to dog if you wish
worthy lintel
....wrong channel?
daring imp
oh crap
daring imp
at least it wasn't suggestion posting
viscid laurel
I just found out that the frost moon music has priority over stained brutal calamity
i cant use the ark of the cosmos to its full effect anymore
is there some way to change the priority of music?
sleek ore
I thought it was weird that your screen goes black if you go too far from providence
you'd think that it would get bright red or orange around the edges
since you're kinda being burned alive
and the suggestion makes a good point, getting nearer to providence while dodging cocoon flames isn't really fair when the screen is black
dim star
oh lmao
in the suggestion voting channel one of them was "make angry dog spawn more often"
and i thought they meant DoG
it was so confusing for a second
heady storm
Alternatively, have it be like Sirius where it powers up based on how many slots you have left.
sharp prism
^
ashen warren
ehh, Sirius isn't that great either, it's sacrificing a lot of minions just to make the damage viable
heady storm
Sirius becomes mega great once you stack it up though.
ashen warren
But it also doesn't track enemies as far as minions available at the same tier
hardy dock
Sirius on its own is basically the best summon pre-dog
sturdy geyser
@daring imp you need to explain why it fits with rogue and you need more reasoning than just it would be awesome
daring imp
i said that it fits with rogue more than it does with melee
daring imp
just imagine a big ass tank using a fucking yoyo
heady storm
I would prefer you instead suggest that yoyos have rogue variants.
sturdy geyser
why does it fit more
daring imp
i just said why
heady storm
But why does it.
sturdy geyser
imagine anyone using a fucking yoyo in a combat situation
they inherently make no sense
tawny garden
sturdy geyser
you should approach it from a mechanic standpoint
daring imp
yeah but it fits better as a stealth weapon
sturdy geyser
instead of how the weapons look
violet dagger
uhhh
whole sedge
I don't see why Yoyos should be rogue weapons either as they're just fine as a melee sub-class.
weak field
Yoyo doesn't make sense anyway
weak field
There's no reason that it should be made as a stealth weapon either
It's supposed to be fast hitting
daring imp
or i will have to use 100% of my brain
and it might cause a cosmic worm to destroy the planet
there's a very little chance
:>
weak field
Let's look at it from another point
Why do you think that rogue need more stealth weapon?
daring imp
i never said that
weak field
You said to change yoyo to stealth weapons
daring imp
i just said that yoyo fits better as a stealth weapon rather than a vanguarding weapon
no i said that it should be rogue too
weak field
It's not thrown out.
daring imp
it is
weak field
All rogue weapons are thrown out, and don't come back to you
daring imp
but it's attached to a string
weak field
It comes back to you, thus it doesn't fit rogue weapons
daring imp
but melee has throwing weapons too
so i don't know what rogue is anymore xD
just kidding i do
weak field
They do but we're not talking about melee
Yoyo doesn't fit rogue weapon, because it comes back
What do you have to say against that
weak field
Boomerangs are thrown out, without control
daring imp
boomerangs are rogue too
but they come back
boomerangs are known for returning back
weak field
Yes, and now I present my second point
whole sedge
This still doesn't explain to me at all why it'd be better as a rogue weapon, plus changing an entire subclass to a different type of damage is something I doubt any of hte devs want to do.
daring imp
even from the fact that i've never seen a boomerang returning on RL
i said rogue weapon too
not that it should be changed to rogue
just like boomer-ang
weak field
You have strong and precise air control for yoyo, whereas boomerangs don't
daring imp
oh yeah that's another thing that makes it fits with stealth
glass sentinel
besides the devs wont move an entire sub-class of weapons into a different class
whole sedge
This still doesn't prove your point at all
weak field
They're also held out longer and are intended to linger around the enemy
Instead of hit the enemy once and then retreat, which is the core of stealth
Plus it's just too much effort to give every single one of them a stealth strike
daring imp
they're not much vanguarding either due to their small size and slow speed the target can easily go direct to the player
it's a suggestion
not an order
whole sedge
Cool nobody's saying it's an order, if you're gonna make a suggestion at least realize when people are going to discuss it 
whole sedge
Claws are pretty much just shortsword sizes broadswords so even trying to get them in rogue seems pretty dumb to me
daring imp
i think specific melee weapons would fit with rogue/assasin/ninja class that once hitting with their edges they would give a temporary powerment to the rogue, so the rogue would be a class about approaching the target carefully for a single stab
rogue could have some great mobility options too
to make it more possible
weak field
And now you're just talking about a huge rework of an entire class
Which is almost never gonna happen
whole sedge
Class specific mobility options also do not sound like a great decision to me nor do they sound easy or fun to balance 
whole sedge
which also remind you is supposed to be bad for ease of testing 
weak field
Class specific mobility can just be exploited anyway
daring imp
but thinking better i think that stealth could be userfull in late game because of bosses that have some attacks that makes them invunerable to damage
and it would be usefull to charge stealth
but still could only be used like 3-5 times per battle
i still think that yoyos should be rogue too
they suit rogue better than melee, but doesn't mean that they shouldn't be melee anymore, just be both like boomer-ang is
whole sedge
Plus I still do not see any real reason why they should be moved as they seem to fit perfectly as a melee subclass to me in balancing...
daring imp
but stealth stinks
who would stop attacking to use stealth strikes during a boss battle? it's better to just keep attacking
whole sedge
Stealth being bad isn't really a reason to completely change the balancing of rogue by moving an entire subclass to it
And it's also supposed to be like that
daring imp
but whitout stealth rogue is very similar to ranger with ranged melee weapons
sand umbra
"stealth isnt bad"
glass sentinel
it isnt
sand umbra
stealth grants a net DPS loss in the majority of situations
jovial spire
sure itsnt great
glass sentinel
well for some weapons
sand umbra
jovial spire
but it's not bad
yeah but some weapons like cosmic kunai obviosuly arnt made for stealth
sand umbra
yeah
I think part of the problem at this point is weapon-specific
most rogue weapons simply aren't designed with stealth in mind
this is best seen with fast use time weps like Mycoroot and Cosmic Kunai
sand umbra
which are the epitome of "spam funny"
jovial spire
back when it was still throwing
sand umbra
something that I do think spammier rogue weps could benefit from
is an inherent cost reduction for stealth strikes
so that stealth isn't like completely garbage on them
or some other way to scale stealth building with use time at least to a point
because right now, stealth is worst on spammy weps that can easily outDPS their stealth strikes without a care in the world
I think the one wep that manages to be worth its stealth strike despite that spammy nature would probably be like
Stellar Knife
which tosses 15 of those bass-boosted knives in a spread
worthy lintel
discarding the fact some knives can vanish because funny proc limit
How would you design a stealth cost reduction, let's say it's a modifier
in increments of 10%?
sand umbra
no
go in increments of "how many shots does it take this weapon normally to exhaust stealth from maximum"
worthy lintel
unless stealth bar is full, you can chuck X projectiles until it drains the bar
sand umbra
so e.g. a super-slow weapon takes 1, an average speed weapon takes 2, a fast wep takes 3 or 4, a spammy wep like Myco or CosmiKunai takes 6-9 of 'em
something like that
and these would be affected by stealth cost reductions the same way too
this would basically mean that no matter the weapon, the time you can use stealth for after building it up scales better with progression and isn't just "oh you used your superfast weapon once you're not allowed to use stealth on it until you build it up again"
worthy lintel
i do admit its a clever fix for fast use time weapons, no doubt in that
although balancing sounds a nightmare for some weps
how do we balance weapons like mollusk or skyfin who just nuke everything on stealth strikes
worthy lintel
sand umbra
sleek girder
sharp prism
i smell chaining
pine star
dim star
i like the one about the sun staff
nocturne yew
make yoyo a rouge weapon does not dound great
cobalt pewter
I like the way you think about stealth strike cost, Tom, but I'm starting to lean away from a mindset of stealth being more spammy, so what I had in mind in relative to use time is simply increasing their stealth strike damage, the lower the use time the higher the stealth dmg will be
ancient crow
yoyos should do typeless damage
worthy lintel
laugh in oracle reaching screen edge
dim star
true
but i dont support completely changing the dmg type of a vanilla subclass
i understand the rogue
but i would not like yoyos being changed
sleek girder
i like the idea of nights and carnage being different
for example, corruption and crimson have signature debuffs, ichor and cursed flames. nearly everything has at least a slight difference
this should be no exception
sharp prism
the elemental ray line is the entire same besides length of the beam and splits in the beam
cobalt pewter
Pretty sure Terra Ray and Elemental Ray are exactly the same in mechanics
Fabstaff at least got the lingering stuff going on
sleek girder
Fabstaff imo is the best dev weapon for mage
also is it a suggestion dont to suggest resprites for certain things? I cant seem to remember
actually ill just go check
dapper coral
you can suggest a resprite if there's a legitimate concern for it
but not if the reason is "the sprite is bad" or "i think it would look better this way"
sleek girder
k
cobalt pewter
If it's a genuine, objective concern about an aspect of the sprite, then it's gud to sugg
dapper coral
haha, you cannot beat moderator typing speed
heady storm
dapper coral
which item were you thinking of suggesting a resprite for, out of curiosity?
sleek girder
brimstone monster, the thing scal summons
was just thinking about it when i was fighting her
heady storm
I don't see a valid reason to resprite them.
dapper coral
oh, moons
yeah, i'm not really sure what kind of argument you would really make there
dapper coral
they're technically called Brimstone Monsters, as pancake said
heady storm
"Moon" is more of a nickname the community gave them.
dapper coral
but a lot of people also refer to them as moons
sharp prism
fair
dapper coral
^
violet dagger
if you think a sprite is bad go resprite it and submit on calart 
sharp prism
"but that requires effort"
violet dagger
"so does respriting it for the actual spriters"
tho it takes less effort since theyve been at it for years
cobalt pewter
But ye, I don't find much reason to resprite those dumb moons
violet dagger
iirc iban was doing smth
hot zephyr
They're actually just Dirty Bubbles
sharp prism
kinda off topic but a low res moon would make a perfect emote
hot zephyr
:brimdisgust:
cobalt pewter
yes I still hate moons despite my last run the only moment I saw moons in scal fight, they never became a problem
heady storm
5th time I've seen a suggestion related with making power cells easier to extract.
(It's now in voting, but yeah.)
dapper coral
guess that just means that it's a thing that needs to change ¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady storm
Reeeee.
dapper coral
although shift-clicking cells should already be implemented, there's a sugg from a while ago that has the 🏁 on it
heady storm
(This one is asking for a hitbox expansion.)
dapper coral
yea ik, i'm just sayin that things are changing with em still
heady storm
zenith hazel
the answer is that sentries are fucking stupid to balance around
because they really should be balanced around having only 1 slot at all times
but red’s like “hahahahahga fuck you here’s ooa”
cobalt pewter
unreal viper
Bruh
I disagree with the idea that this is red’s fault. Just because you only have one sentry at a time normally, doesn’t mean that that sentry has to make a huge difference.
But until sentries are less insane, adding more accs like that is probably a bad idea.
hot zephyr
Just rework the Sentry cap increases into increased sentry damage
graceful hare
I never thought about another tier of ooa
limber ocean
adding that would probably run afoul of some copyright shit, I feel like
crude geode
^
hollow sierra
i mean the game has betsy, that's a straight rip out of dungeon defenders aswell
limber ocean
not a rip tho
crude geode
Yes but that’s terraria.
limber ocean
that's collaboration content
limber ocean
terraria put in dungeon defenders stuff, dungeon defenders put in terraria stuff
crude geode
also you’d prolly wanna improve the current, dumpster fire OOA before you start adding tiers to it.
hardy dock
Remember to format your suggestions @daring imp
dapper coral
i mean, there are titles
but they could be worded less as sentences, sure
hot zephyr
@limber ocean Because the reference weapons aren't rips, lol?
We've literally got the Gjallarhorn in Calamity
foggy plover
btw old one is from DD1, I dont think hes in DD2 which is what OOA is based off of
dim star
same lmao
crude geode
I don’t think putting, say, bowser in calamity would go over too well.
Putting reference weapons in is one thing (especially Bc donos) but adding in bosses is another.
hot zephyr
T4 OOA is already a meme idea
foggy plover
old one is the final boss that you gotta go through a bunch of hurdles to get to, like radiance from hk
(hes also fucking huge so terraria scale would be wack)
dim star
maybe he could be as big as moon lord
crude geode
We don’t, this is just classic sugg discussion derailing
worthy lintel
because OOA is a meme, so a T4 suggestion is just adding more meme
zenith hazel
to salvage a shitty event
worthy lintel
dim star
the game has tiers for each stage of the game
zenith hazel
which is impossible
dim star
calamity added a new stage of the game
crude geode
Not impossible, just far more effort than it’s worth
dim star
so they need a new tier
cobalt pewter
No
crude geode
what.
worthy lintel
its there and its bad
crude geode
yea but its easy to add new bosses
@worthy lintel what.
limber ocean
isn't OOA like, absolute hell to work with
I remember hearing that Betsy drops 6 treasure bags with Arma but doesn't oneshot you because haha vanilla code funni
hot zephyr
Imagine doing OOA in Calamity lmao
I feel bad for whatever moron decided to farm for Betsy's legendary
worthy lintel
At this point, make this legendary weapon be a 100% drop rate and people still wouldn't go for it
hot zephyr
Rule of Calamity, nothing can convince me to fight OOA or like... half of the post golem pre cultist bosses
cobalt pewter
Nothing can convince me to fight OOA
limber ocean
post golem pre cultist feels a bit crowded
crude geode
Tell me about it
hot zephyr
Fight multiple bosses for weapons... that aren't that much stronger and become irrelevant when you roll over the speedbump Cultist... nice
Y'know how we have alt mechs?
Make PBG alt-plantera and Ravager alt-golem
dim star
Lmao until a recent playthrough I completely forgot about pre Providence ravager
He is that forgettable
hot zephyr
Bring PBG back to Plantera tier, make Calclone between Plantera and Golem, and then have Ravager become alt-golem
hot zephyr
and then make Deus post-ml, pre provi
dim star
Why are you guys suggesting things here
hot zephyr
I'm just spitballing
limber ocean
you can discuss future suggestions
hot zephyr
Nah, it's too big
limber ocean
test the waters and shit
byeah, fat chance they'll rebalance 5 or so bosses
it's a long shot at best
hot zephyr
tbh I'd make donuts optional if I was a dev, such a forgettable fight. would make a cool optional boss though
There's already been suggs to rebalance that section of the game, anyways
crude geode
Indeed.
hot zephyr
I'd have Donuts be a lot stronger, make them an "optional" fight since the profaned core would be craftable with the provi enemy drops + luminite. If you fought & killed Donuts, they wouldn't have drops but they also wouldn't appear in the Providence fight
Because they'd be dead lol
limber ocean
that could be a potential sugg, tbh
dim star
Maybe a stronger version could be fought as an optional boss fight and a weaker version would appear in the Providence fight
hot zephyr
I just really don't like the Guardians in the providence fight; they make it messy
hot zephyr
It feels more cheap then hectic. Like imagine if Cal's brothers came out in a bullet hell phase in the Scal fight
hot zephyr
There's better ways to make the fight harder
Imagine if Signus just appeared in the laser-wall phase
hot zephyr
They're too tanky in DM
dim star
That’s just how it be
hot zephyr
You basically need Adrenaline to burst them down fast or die to cocoon phase + funnie offense guardian
golden narwhal
Not SIS
mighty knot
because...
golden narwhal
There aren't details surrounding the weapon itself
golden narwhal
also might make a sugg based on provi guardians if no one's picking it up from the earlier discussion
heady storm
These are just too specific in all.
ashen warren
Too specific?
ashen warren
Ok so I did better than last time
golden narwhal
Reason-wise, I'd say so
First thing to note: each attack doesn't need reasoning as to why they are the way they are, since they aren't the suggestion
ashen warren
I tried to push aside most of the attacks in my head and just give an Idea towards it what I'm thinking
golden narwhal
The description of each attack is un-specific enough to be valid, I think
Just need to be listed more as examples rather than individual suggs
ashen warren
Oh ok so I just need delete the reasoning from the attacks
golden narwhal
e.g.
"Some examples of possible attacks are
- DoG makes subsequent dashes at the player from portals
- DoG charges at the player, but predicts their movement as well"
etc etc
Yea, basically
heady storm
Make it like this yes, don't name the attack either.
ashen warren
Ok
golden narwhal
Also could point out on the first paragraph why DoG is considered easy (less attack phases compared to other bosses judging from the sugg)
ashen warren
It is gone
golden narwhal
I blame mobile for that because yes
earnest cape
there's 2 suggs for me
I blame mobile for that because yes
just tap and hold till a slider on the bottom shows up
tap and hold on a message
ashen warren
I took it down when I decided to stop trying
golden narwhal
Byech, this
Also could point out on the first paragraph why DoG is considered easy for most (less attack phases compared to other bosses judging from the sugg)
ashen warren
Oh I saw that working on it right now
golden narwhal
heady storm
- In this phase, DoG attacks when the player moves.
You can describe what the phase in question is.
ashen warren
Oh that was left over when I was told not to name the phases.
One thing came to mind when I thought about new way DoG could attack which was him swinging his tail at the player when they were attacking and got close. Glad I decided not to include it.
golden narwhal
Think he meant to specify what it means a bit more, like
"2. In this phase, DoG charges towards where the player is moving"
- could also say "laser walls" instead of "lasers" for more clarity
byea, that's all I see rn
ashen warren
Nah it's a moving thing so once he were to go to this phase the player would have to stop immediately so DoG wouldn't charge kinda like a wolf would charge a human if they displayed fear (which is why I wanted to dub it fear sense/seeker phase but realized that I had allow developers their creative freedom)
golden narwhal
Interesting
Could change "when" to "if" then, ig, dunno how else to clarify that one
Looks alright now, I'd say
ashen warren
As for the laser and portals what I meant was that some lasers comes from the portals during the laser wall phase making it a bit harder
golden narwhal
Ah
hot zephyr
Love the sug, @golden narwhal
I hate the donuts in the current iteration of Providence's fight; they just make it messy
golden narwhal
It was inspired by your discussion earlier, so... teamwork
glass sentinel
ooo i like it
very neat
no more getting but-fucked during bhs bc a chicken nugget wants to ram you
golden narwhal
when the nuggs are more threatening as minions in a separate fight than in their own fight
hot zephyr
The defensive minion could also summon "barriers" around providence, they'd be little mini walls that'd block projectiles
glass sentinel
and healing guardian is ass to hit
hot zephyr
The offense minion could decrease times between attack cycles/speed up projectiles 
glass sentinel
please no
so we have 3 guardians revolving around providence
while you deal with faster projs
hot zephyr
I think you could make an interesting decision that the donuts get stronger based on what order you kill them
glass sentinel
still better than the old ones
I think you could make an interesting decision that the donuts get stronger based on what order you kill them
🤔
golden narwhal
Healing guardian heals at light speed if killed last 
glass sentinel
like scal's brothers
hot zephyr
Yeah
glass sentinel
heals for 10% hp each time
hot zephyr
lol
glass sentinel
hot zephyr
still preferable to the current donuts.
glass sentinel
yes\
hot zephyr
Which basically lock you into a catch-22 deal