Yeah
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
it's based on solo calamity unless the function already exists elsewhere in another mod
cobalt pewter
Calamity isn't a single game
dapper coral
that's why we have stuff like Better Multiplayer come up a lot
dapper coral
or summoner's association
serene fox
it's not like this is a problem either tbh
serene fox
not a problem cal has to address at least
worthy lintel
I still have no idea what to suggest about Marnite items
I might just suggest to straight up throw them in the void since seemingly nobody uses them 
serene fox
you could, yeah
dapper coral
or, alternatively, suggest a rework that might make them more interesting
crude geode
^
dapper coral
because straight-up removing weapons and tools doesn't go down too well
crude geode
or the marble and granite biomes in general
dapper coral
fair
worthy lintel
fair enough, but marble and granite literally have no synergy
one is magical, the other one is greece reference lol
crude geode
they don't have to have synergy, just both be interesting.
worthy lintel
i mean, bayonet has the contact gun damage and the oblierator is a handy tool
then you have spear
crude geode
Take a look at thorium, they make the granite and marble biomes interesting despite them having very different themes.
summer sentinel
That's fair, having all the profaned brick squares in the hallow can get a bit, cumbersome
dim star
yeah
after i completed my playthrough of the mod i just kept killing her to completely fill up the area she was fought in
sleek girder
i killed her for a full dye set
modern arrow
I like Provi death box for free platforms
cobalt pewter
You can still do that in hell with my proposition, since the box makes sense there
Just
Not hallow
hollow shell
@cloud wasp There are multiple things wrong with this suggestion.
Read the Don'ts doc that is in pins.
summer sentinel
that's a definite no
summer sentinel
And now I'll delete it because it's not even a sugg (they edited it)
summer sentinel
To clarify what I mean:
hollow shell
also, can't sugg new class, most prominently.
cloud wasp
k
cobalt pewter
lmao
heady storm
@ashen warren suggestionbot isn't approving suggestions but is still online again.
cobalt pewter
heady storm
I noticed so late.
hollow shell
(NotSoBot just went online-but-down in a different server so it might be a Discord thing)
glass sentinel
summer sentinel
wouldn't be the first time nor the last time Discord ends up wonkily breaking something
glass sentinel
i like this sugg
heady storm
I like this one, since I have the same issue.
New people are just going to look at it like "What is this supposed to indicate?" and soforth.
rocky hatch
@heady storm don't know if its just me but your suggestion image isn't working on my end
heady storm
That would just be you.
rocky hatch
hmmm weird 😮
golden narwhal
Embeds sometimes act like that
glass sentinel
discord
rocky hatch
gives me a page that says "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below."
glass sentinel
rocky hatch
weird
summer sentinel
And knowing discord, it can be very wacky
dapper coral
maybe try reloading rq then
rocky hatch
and then if i click it brings a page saying the XML thing
glass sentinel
rocky hatch
don't know if my PC is tripping or something but its like endlessly loading
hollow shell
(the image isn't the most helpful because they're taken on different backgrounds and its a semi-transparent projectile)
earnest cape
Oh is the bot not working again?
golden narwhal
Seems so
It's both alive and dead at the same time
earnest cape
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
Seems so
It's both alive and dead at the same time
AA momentum
tawny garden
Something tells me that the relatively often bot outages are Amber's fault
Because of bad coding
earnest cape
halcyon magnet
Could be
heady storm
Okay don't go that far.
dapper coral
okay but that's just disrespectful
dapper coral
half this server wouldn't be running if it weren't for Amber and her bots, so let's not say anything like that
but anyways, that's offtopic
tawny garden
That is true.
halcyon magnet
It is really disrespectful to say things like that, especially since she is an Administrator
ashen warren
yo is there like a mod that can temporarily show what items we changed to in our hotbar beside the cursor? If not, I would suggest adding that because I don't want to look all the way at my hotbar to actually make sure that I switched to the right item or weapon midfight, this would be helpful when dodging is your highest priority.
for example, when im fighting scal I would swithc to exoblade then back to ark of the cosmos for the sepulcher part but because I had to look at the hotbar for about a second, there is a risk of me being unintentionally hit
earnest cape
looking to the hotbar and back doesn't take more than 1 braincell
serene fox
you can also just use scroll wheel
earnest cape
^
serene fox
or your bindings
cobalt pewter
That seems like a no-issue to me wh
frozen storm
Did someome ping me?
earnest cape
haha yes a repost
golden narwhal
Rover did earlier, if you didn't see that
frozen storm
Now i see
cobalt pewter
Isn't Dryad's store already full?
At least up until HM
Chicken balls is a new term for guardians
But "donuts" fit them more and Yharon's sons can fit into the "chicken balls" phrase
solar kayak
The term was coined by Chippy
hollow shell
Are you going to edit your suggestion with the changes I described @frozen storm ?
( @ashen lark also ^ .)
earnest cape
@true needle bruh
true needle
we have golden gun
heady storm
Meme suggestions are the big no.
true needle
it shoota piss
heady storm
Stop rambling with it now.
heady storm
Muted, I told you to not.
ashen warren
nothing to say abt it
cobalt pewter
Discussions will naturally happen when a sugg gets traction
And it's like, probably 5am in Americas
But I'm with oculus here
real steppe
Does Save and Exit reset Silva Immunity's CD?
tawny garden
It should 
cobalt pewter
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
But you can always check
ashen lark
I have no idea how to word it...
frail mantle
make the header something like Animate the placed bars that have animations in your inventory
also remove the part about it looks like about 2m was spent on them. cause that's just pissing on whoever made the placed bar sprites
earnest cape
bot is back
crude geode
Pog
frail mantle
return of the king
heady storm
return of the king
Indeed.
ashen lark
also remove the part about
it looks like about 2m was spent on them.cause that's just pissing on whoever made the placed bar sprites
@frail mantle I've replaced it with genuine criticism.
frail mantle
yea that's better
hollow sierra
well, lucky is already nerfed and warding is already buffed, what relation would you like to see between the three?
summer sentinel
Damage boosting changes is a yes since I’ve mentioned this before why lucky modifiers really aren’t useful at all nor is violent necessarily it is just always menacing
cobalt pewter
Indeed
hollow sierra
perhaps violent should increase speed of all weapons and not just melee
cobalt pewter
It's always Menacing, Menacing, Menacing
Maybe slip Warding once or twice and replace Menacing with Silent for stealth rogue but who the fuck uses stealth anyways
serene fox
violent increasing all use speed sounds terrifying
hollow sierra
So you can do minmaxing for every weapon about whether another use of violent would bring your use time down to the point where your dps increases more than the 4% given by menacing
summer sentinel
Violent even now with no melee speed cap that exists still does not outdo menacing since menacing you literally can not go about beating
other modifiers receiving the benefit like warding does from phm hm to pml is good, others should follow that similarly
hollow sierra
Do you think violent is just bad because its harder for the game to round beneficially with smaller numbers
summer sentinel
No I don’t think so since they would’ve been addressed already unless that modifier is sort of hooked (as in connected to vanilla enough you can’t modify it easily) or was hardcoded in
hollow sierra
That's why warding is so good pre-boss, flat values always do what they're supposed to
serene fox
violent is bad because it has no effect on projectile melee
hollow sierra
Maybe that should be the change then
summer sentinel
violent just doesn’t have the same effect for weapons, there have been talks that violent CAN beat menacing but it’s only for true melee people yes
but for true melee you’d go with warding most likely to live I would imagine so there’s a conflict
cobalt pewter
True melee warding loses relevancy maybe on dog onwards imo
But most of the time yee
hollow sierra
i don't think nerfing menacing is the way to go, it'd be much better to make it so violent affects everything as equally as menacing does
unreal viper
Bruh
hollow sierra
pretty much
unreal viper
Then it’s broken for ranger and spam rogue
summer sentinel
true melee keeps its relevancy post DoG I’d say because of DoG lore
unreal viper
Huh?
serene fox
well
hollow sierra
on paper it'd only be a 4% dps increase, same as menacing, but you're encouraged to mix it up because stacking has diminishing returns
serene fox
it can work for scal
summer sentinel
That is, if you can survive doing true melee on DoG to begin with, yharon it’s doable, scal it is doable but just a hard process
serene fox
yharon no
unreal viper
Doesn’t true melee have like no weapons post dog
summer sentinel
DoG lore gives the true melee bonus that’s why, as for weapons: that’s a slightly different story
unreal viper
But anydoodles
hollow sierra
is cosmic discharge true melee?
cobalt pewter
That is, if you can survive doing true melee on DoG to begin with, yharon it’s doable, scal it is doable but just a hard process
This is wong, DoG true melee is a cakewalk
Thank Stellar Striker for that
summer sentinel
technically yes it is for cosmic discharge
cobalt pewter
Yharon is actually pain, because if you want pure true melee, there are nothing for both pre and post darksun
hollow sierra
its probably fair to discount legendaries from the weapon pool
serene fox
well if we consider discharge true melee then it can work
cobalt pewter
And you have Murasama vs scal 
hollow sierra
i've been trying that
feels exploity making her shake back and forth just to hit her
cobalt pewter
making her shake back and forth
😳
hollow sierra
serene fox
crude geode
Tbh I like this suggestion. If lucky gets nerfed, then menacing reasonably should be as well.
cobalt pewter
Menacing is fucking dumb
crude geode
It is.
swift fulcrum
menacing is alright it's everything else that's dumb
hollow sierra
lucky is op in vanilla though
swift fulcrum
😤
summer sentinel
Menacing shouldn’t get changed since it’s fine as it is, it’s just most other modifiers are just outclassed by it
hollow sierra
you can't just nerf everything because its strong, you need a baseline you can balance around
and menacing is that baseline
hence warding buff and lucky nerf
and no changes to menacing
summer sentinel
like I want lucky to be more viable but there is just no case it can be, also who would ever use something like arcane too? Or she movement speed modifiers? you just wouldn’t
hollow sierra
ARCANE
unreal viper
They are bad yes
cobalt pewter
There was an arcane rework here, no?
hollow sierra
arcane could be good if you make mana sickness more extreme
unreal viper
No
hollow sierra
and make mana potions restore %mana
summer sentinel
Make it less extreme and that’d be better
crude geode
You reach it naturally.
summer sentinel
like arcane reduces mana sickness by x% might be of use, just a random idea
hollow sierra
if you make mana sickness less of a punishment, you could just spam lesser potions without getting punished
that's why there's better mana potions in the first place, less time between sickness stacks
crude geode
You still would prolly get to the -50% mana pretty fast.
-50% damage pretty fast, sorry
hollow sierra
You would, but you'd also probably regenerate to higher percentages before the next stack of the debuff resets you to -50%
arcane is bad because there's no potion big enough to support it
crude geode
Arcane is bad because it doesn’t do anything late game.
summer sentinel
Sure though the current supreme ones bring back 400 mana so idk if you need anything beyond that necessarily
crude geode
Mage just needs a different modifier set, really. Bc arcane is completely useless past post-ml.
cobalt pewter
But yeah, the other reason for menacing nerf is to give other modifiers a chance to be exposed to public and be reviewed on a playerbase level
Just my 2 cents on that dumb prefix
Byech
sharp prism
maybe arcane could give mana usage reduction
hollow sierra
^ this tbh
But i still think there needs to be a mana potion big enough to properly support endgame mana pools
unreal viper
I mean
crude geode
your max possible mana endgame is 550, do you really need to max out your mana bar?
unreal viper
^
crude geode
400 is completely reasonable.
Vanilla only lets you gain 3/4 of your max mana instantly (300 with a cap of 400 mana).
hollow sierra
what's the 400 cap from
crude geode
Vanilla.
cobalt pewter
Vanilla
crude geode
The game.
earnest cape
vanilla terraria has a hardcap on the max amount of mana you can have being 400
crude geode
summer sentinel
technically you can go beyond 550 but that may be a bug but thousandfields has done it before
earnest cape
Oh no
crude geode
As long as you’re not a brain dead ranger mage player, you can manage your mana.
earnest cape
crude geode
It’s why mage is different from ranger.
earnest cape
that's to regenerate the mana
unreal viper
If you have more max mana, you burn through it more slowly but it also takes longer to regen
hollow sierra
ideally arcane's max mana increases your time between potion uses, aka time between mana sickness stacks, but there's no potion big enough to facilitate that past 400 mana, which is obtainable in the calamity midgame
if we boil it down to "arcane should increase your time between potion uses" then mana cost reduction would be great
crude geode
arcane should be more complex than just mana star on a modifier
but this is also vanilla so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
earnest cape
^
crude geode
Tbh I rarely use mana potions as a mage. The damage decrease is just ech, and I’d rather just wait a few seconds and have a full mana bar again without having to deal with reduced damage.
tawny garden
yeah, same
foggy plover
theres already been an approved arcane buff/rework sugg
cobalt pewter
oh pog
crude geode
Wonderful.
hollow sierra
link it
earnest cape
Thta's great
foggy plover
its from a bit ago
tawny garden
crude geode
waiting is less dps
stealth rogue moment
earnest cape
oh that's poggers
hollow sierra
i just noticed you don't even get the full effect of ethereal talisman if you have auric on 
crude geode
Mhm
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
stealth rogue moment
crude geode
Byech, melee and rogue both have modifiers with different levels, meanwhile just one single modifier for mage, decreasing your chance significantly of even getting the damn thing.
hollow sierra
i've always assumed lucky was more for range anyway
crude geode
vehemence
tawny garden
I've always assumed lucky was worse than Menacing pretty much everywhere
hollow sierra
what about tyranny's end
tawny garden
yeah, except for Vehemence when Lucky increases the chance to get a million more damage in
hollow sierra
so basically its only better on weapons with external rewards for critting
that's not good
heady storm
Some math reveals lucky and menacing are basically the same thing, one just has a cap.
hollow sierra
^
crude geode
Bc lucky got nerfed
summer sentinel
Tyrannys end is getting a change and being improved on don’t worry on that
tawny garden
there is a difference
hollow sierra
consistency?
tawny garden
due to the fact that crits and other damage buffs are applied at different times
summer sentinel
Also yes Chrono, only for weapons that can really benefit from crits more because as you get later into the game you just don’t have a need for it since you can’t go above 100% Crit, if you see it it’s visually there only iirc, not actually in effect
earnest cape
is tyranny's end gonna work the same meaning it ignoring DR and defense or is that getting changed?
tawny garden
if you have +4% dmg and then have some chance to double thhe dmg, it turns out to be a bit better than if you have some damage and then a +4% chance to double it
iirc
cobalt pewter
critception when
tawny garden
gonna do some calculations rn
summer sentinel
That’ll be the same misfortune it just plans to get some sort of buff to make it more viable
earnest cape
pogger
crude geode
I think it’s pretty solidified that the suggestion is valid.
so we can all get out of here, unless someone has an idea
hardy dock
I think damage modifiers are fine as they are.
hollow sierra
if arcane is getting reworked and violent is getting fixed to affect all aspects of melee, yeah
totally fine as is
brittle nexus
Warding is actually pretty good
cobalt pewter
Yeah I mentioned cal warding in the sugg
hardy dock
Yeah +8 defence is broken
summer sentinel
Yes I mentioned above warding scaling and its tanking is very strong do not underestimate it ever
brittle nexus
8 def pml isnt broken
cobalt pewter
That's why I kinda hinted at other modifiers instead
hardy dock
When it's available on every accessory it is
sand umbra
Arcane cries in the corner, being as worthless as ever
unreal viper
Speaking of tanking
summer sentinel
56 possible defense mode with 8 defense times 7 slots? yeah that’s balanced
hardy dock
With no armor
summer sentinel
pml bosses hurt like an oncoming train
crude geode
Or a 28% damage buff.
sand umbra
byeah post-ML bosses hit like a runaway freight train
56 defense isn't broken, it's a needed supplement
cobalt pewter
Honestly you can get away with tanking on pml until like
sand umbra
now, a 28% damage buff?
cobalt pewter
Yharon
hardy dock
All of menacing's modifiers combined barely beat the dimensional soul artifact
sand umbra
for free just from spending some money?
cobalt pewter
Yharon's ram is just pain to try and tank
hollow sierra
can blame flesh totem for that i guess
crude geode
Yes but dimensional soul artifact makes you take more damage
sand umbra
you can get DSA levels of power from just having a bunch of accessories with the right modifier
crude geode
^
sand umbra
for none of the cost
(because it's not like any of the other modifiers aside from Warding are worth a damn)
hardy dock
Woah
earnest cape
embracing glass cannon
cobalt pewter
Return to Glass Cannon™
earnest cape
^
ashen warren
reject reason, embrass glass cannon
earnest cape
reject survivability, embrace glass cannon
crude geode
Demonshade’s tagline ^
earnest cape
basically yeah
sand umbra
please no we just got outta the glass cannon metagame
crude geode
embrace it thomas
summer sentinel
Have to be more descriptive than that in the suggestion I’d say to explain it and why its useful Chrono
crude geode
crude geode
Potions? In my ammo bar?
ashen warren
potions in ammo bar wheeze
crude geode
I don’t shoot potions at my enemy as a mage, I use my magical abilities to summon swirling vortexes of doom and rain down asteroids.
tawny garden
this sugg is brilliant, so descriptive
crude geode
brittle nexus
Not that big of a deal anyways, a few slots for mana potions if you really want them
hollow sierra
Its a big deal 
crude geode
Aren’t health pots just ammo for tanks?
unreal viper
Bruh
hollow sierra
welllll
ashen warren
i thought mage about mana managment?
crude geode
hollow sierra
well, range is about ammo management
ashen warren
no it aint
summer sentinel
That’s an interesting thought but it is technically correct for tanks yes
hollow sierra
deeply philosophical
ashen warren
same
brittle nexus
Solution: rename ammo slots to consumable slots
ashen warren
no
unreal viper
Rogues don’t have ammo
crude geode
no
brittle nexus
crude geode
Rogues have consumable weapons.
Similar to the consumable ammunition-wait...ammunition-
unreal viper
Yeah but they are weapons not ammo
earnest cape
damn mana potion in ammo slot
hollow sierra
ashen warren
don't care
floral barn
unreal viper
All of those but wire are used in weapons
robust lava
Yeah, Ale Tosser exists
hollow sierra
the more you know
crude geode
coin gun
robust lava
Coin Gun
hollow sierra
coin gun
unreal viper
Coin gun
brittle nexus
Yes but
ashen warren
coin gun
brittle nexus
"If you're running out of space"
robust lava
Ok, the actual answer is "Consistency"
crude geode
Vanilla™️
brittle nexus
Shucks I always have 999 plat..
summer sentinel
Coin gun is a mistake let’s be honest
hollow sierra
assumedly the coin slots are for one of each stack and the ammo slots are if you wanna dupe in all the plat in the world and go nuts
crude geode
The idea of putting mana potions in a ammo slot makes me upset.
summer sentinel
Why is there a gun that uses your money literally to do more damage? 
seems off
crude geode
I would prefer classes stay unique
ashen warren
are we talking about logic now?
brittle nexus
It gives people more reason to justify these crazy money farms in vanilla
crude geode
Slippery slope
“If mages can put mana pots in ammo bar, why can’t we put consumable rogue weapons in ammo bar?”-Rogues
“If rogues can put consumable weapons in ammo slots, why can’t we put consumable health potions in?”-Tanks
summer sentinel
Solution: delete the mage class goodbye
tawny garden
assume that a weapon has 100 base damage and 10% crit chance, no modifier (or it could have some modifier, but it doesn't matter cause weapon modifiers are applied first, so you can assume that the weapon has 100 damage and 10% crit after you apply a modifier), also assume that you only have one accessory that doesn't give you any stat increases by itself, and you don't have any buffs or debuffs (this will make life easier cause I won't have to account for a lot of additive bullshit which doesn't change the idea (a more complicated calculation is left as an exercise to the reader )), and also your random variable factor is 1 (RNG is 
)
if the accessory is Menacing:
the buff you get from Menacing is applied with other buffs as the second step, and crit is always last, so you'll have on average
floor(100 * 1.04) * 1.1 = 114.4 damage
if the accessory is Lucky:
you'll have on average
100 * 1.14 = 114 damage, which is a bit less
that's not including the fact that Lucky was for some reason nerfed to +3% in Calamity, so i's even less
100 * 1.13 = 113 damage on average
Prove me wrong
crude geode
Alternatively: Ranged.
summer sentinel
Wtf Philo copypasta time to destroy
crude geode
Ty Lauren
brittle nexus
Yeah I've said for a while crit is just damage with a cap
hollow sierra
the difference with rogue is you actually have to use the weapon
you're not holding the mana potion in your hand
summer sentinel
anyways yeah Crit is literally just due to terraria cap but with actual >100% Crit to have some sort of “overcrit”, it would just fix the problem somewhat to make lucky more viable, just have a new cap say idk, 150? If you have no cap that can work but would need balance tweaks maybe
tawny garden
how do you have 150% crit chance
cobalt pewter
I'd say convert excess crits into dmg boost
summer sentinel
this is just purely speculation on a change for it and how it may be applicable because many other games allow overcrits (see risk of rain 2)
gilded crow
if someone suggests to make the rock into a pet rock, with googly eyes and doesn't move, stop them.
tawny garden
do you 3x the damage or smth?
summer sentinel
You hit for 2.5x the normal damage
tawny garden
wtf
hollow sierra
take another page out of warframe and do red crits
tawny garden
Lauren
crude geode
Why.
tawny garden
kill
summer sentinel
because 100% is 2x so yeah
gilded crow
oh no
earnest cape
haha yes
ashen warren
he was told not to and yet 😔
crude geode
Ty Lauren.
summer sentinel
pet rock already exist: it is called calamity vanities
gilded crow
take a look at general talk
summer sentinel
Also technically boosted crits are a thing anyways because look at the melee auric tesla bonus: crits do 5x the damage done the chance would just need tweaking but it’s just an idea
crude geode
This suggestion...just makes me so upset. I could write a thesis about how dumb it is, and how the slippery slope effect could lead to more nonsense being shoved into The Ranger and Bait Slots™️ , but I do not have the time.
The ammo slots should be conserved for mainly ranged ammo for their weapons that they fire. Not for mana potions you drink.
earnest cape
haha yes here's me yeeting mana potions
tawny garden
hm
had an imbalanced shitty idea
if you have say 125% crit chance, you always deal double damage (as it is now), but then you have a 25% chance to double the damage one more time
crude geode
I just...hate this sugg. I don’t even know if it’s actually valid because the reasoning is so minuscule and based on haha funny ranged class.
tawny garden
don't star it, simple
it's valid
just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it can't exist
(it seems weird to me as well, but it's an idea nonetheless)
crude geode
this is true, old duke exists and I don’t like him
tawny garden
ashen warren
rogue
summer sentinel
O wait yeah Philo, I mean like, the crit damage is 2.5x more damage yeah, if you have 150% crit chance, it won't actually give you constant crits, yeah no that'd be very broken
hollow sierra
ermergerd its so pretty https://i.imgur.com/ia72CGu.png
tawny garden
it does now
hollow sierra
happy little sugg 
hollow sierra
if you have a weapon with 10% crit, stacking 30 lucky modifiers would only double your damage, whereas stacking 30 menacing modifiers multiplies it by 2.2
and all the rest of the gear already gives less crit than damage
tawny garden
read my fucking thesis #suggestions-discussion message
hollow sierra
can i get the takeaway edition
tawny garden
tl;dr: you'll always have more damage if you opt for Menacing rather than Lucky
craggy stratus
people still using mana flower?
tawny garden
yes
hollow sierra
its fuel for your magic weapons the same way ammo is for your ranged weapons
dim star
i personally use mana flower but maybe thats just me
craggy stratus
is the sugg even doable
tawny garden
yes
ashen warren
remove mana flower
hollow sierra
it applies for manual potting aswell
tawny garden
Mana Flower is baked into the Ethereal Talisman, so at the endgame I have no choice but to use it
but I don't like it too much
hollow sierra
its toggleable on ethereal
tawny garden
yes, but
also the amount of time you have to wait to refill the mana with the Mana Regen Potion becomes too much
and also I'm stupid and can't think of 3 things at the same time
so I just go with the flow and drink my Supreme Mana Potions like water
hollow sierra
The point of the sugg is that mages have to dedicate alot of extra inventory to it, the same way rangers do for nonbasic ammo types
except rangers can store that ammo in the dedicated slots
tawny garden
"a lot" is one inventory slot
craggy stratus
the damage reduction is too big to be neglected
tawny garden
I just neglect it I guess
craggy stratus
if you constantly drink the mana pot
dim star
its a potion so even if it makes sense for it to be in ammo slot it would look weird
potions dont go in ammo
hollow sierra
its not really a problem if you're using a max stack mod, one main inventory slot
but it could be zero
and that's clean af
dim star
ok so if you can put mana potions in the ammo slot than you should be able to put buffs in it right?
ashen warren
calamity did pump up the limit of mana pot to 999 didnt it
@craggy stratus yikes
hollow sierra
no because buffs don't fuel your weapons @dim star
ashen warren
mage couldn't be more balanced
dim star
yeah but
both are potions
are mana potions just the right size?
why cant you put all potions in it
and
could you put flasks in it
hollow sierra
equality
dim star
they fuel melee weapons
hollow sierra
rangers don't have to deal with it, why do mages
you can use melee weapons indefinitely without flasks
no problem there
those are buffs
dim star
you can use mana weapons without potions
craggy stratus
well, you have mana regen potion
dim star
the potions just let you use it more
summer sentinel
people still using mana flower?
decreased mana usage and automatic usage of mana potions in boss fights if you're too focused on the boss and don't want to become de-focused potentially by hitting the mana button? Then yea, people use it quite often/a bit
dim star
aka buff
craggy stratus
ic
sharp prism
decreased mana usage and automatic usage of mana potions in boss fights if you're too focused on the boss and don't want to become de-focused potentially by hitting the mana button? Then yea, people use it quite often/a bit
you could just set quick mana to one of your side mouse button like how most people set their quick heal to the middle mouse button
dim star
the mana potions just let you shoot longer
craggy stratus
^ with less damage
hollow sierra
ranged weapons have endless ammo thingies, the comparison i wanna make is having to carry mana potions to keep your magic damage high, versus having to carry special ammo to keep your ranged damage high
craggy stratus
i mean, if both mana flower and mana regen potion exist in vanilla, we cant just delete one and leave the other
hollow sierra
and i know i'm gonna get posts from wait on regen gang, but its lower dps and that's what matters for the argument
craggy stratus
mana flower is a type of mana management
in exchange for your weapon to deal less damage with mana sickness
sharp prism
~~you could just use the luiafk unlimited mana accessory ~~
hollow sierra
other mods 
tawny garden
sharp prism
ranger is cringe
hollow sierra
unlimited how
dim star
~~you could just use the luiafk unlimited mana accessory ~~
@sharp prism ~~luiafk cringe ~~
hollow sierra
unless you meant the luiafk thing
craggy stratus
ok last question
if calamity allow 999 mana pot to be stored in one slot, how do you manage to use all of it in one bossfight
craggy stratus
idk what that is
craggy stratus
ah
tawny garden
Yermes Christal
tawny garden
the projectile for Yharim's Crystal prism is literally called "Yermes Christal"
sharp prism
lol
craggy stratus
ranger has ammo reservation pot and ammo box to save ammo
ig mage should be allowed to put mana pot in ammo
craggy stratus
if youre using mana regen pot, mana pot is obsolete
hollow sierra
but wait, doesn't regen turn off while you're using your magic weapons
so its useless
craggy stratus
that why you dont shoot for 2-3 seconds
hollow sierra
that why you dont shoot for 2-3 seconds
not shooting is dps loss
cobalt pewter
pains in stealth
craggy stratus
sharp prism
i've never used stealth in a bossfight
craggy stratus
the existence of mana pot is to save an acc slot from mana flower
tawny garden
I think you actually lose less dps by not shooting than if you use a mana potion
craggy stratus
and you slap a damage acc in it, it should save the dps loss
hollow sierra
i'd love to see somebody test that indepth @tawny garden
craggy stratus
that is post DoG
tawny garden
@tired haven Video idea: test which is better: using Mana Regen Potions and not shooting for a bit to regain mana, or using Mana Potions (manually or via Mana Flower+)
craggy stratus
tawny garden
:coolandgood:
ashen warren
:coolandgood:
sharp prism
tired haven
sadly, while i did consider that, the reason it didn't go in production yet is that difference is rather negligible. And doesn't matter in big term of things
weak field
THe astral injection exists for mage
tawny garden
ah, good to know 
dim star
what do you think about putting mana potions in ammo
weak field
Which means that anybody who use mana potion is dumb
cobalt pewter
Astral Injection + Fargo Mutant
craggy stratus
that is post aureus
weak field
And mana sickness stacks 5 times which is a 50% dmg reduction
tired haven
ah yes, vanilla players dumb
summer sentinel
Crabbar in sugg channels how (how)
craggy stratus
vanilla smell good, but taste bad
weak field
Correction: spam mana potion
tawny garden
I pinged him
sharp prism
And mana sickness stacks 5 times which is a 50% dmg reduction
that adds up for weapons like last prisim
hollow sierra
i don't think you can say it stacks X times
brittle nexus
Mana sickness is just calculated by the duration remaining of mana sickness
hollow sierra
you get -25% every use, +1% every 5th of a second and the cap is -50%
sharp prism
ok
craggy stratus
ok my verdict: make mana flower weaken the effect of mana sickness
tired haven
Base mana sickness is already 25% dmg lost
not quite
weak field
Well yeah it reduces the dmg lost as time goes by
sharp prism
wait ive been lied to
brittle nexus
It goes away so quickly that it's basically a mana regen potion
sharp prism
tired haven
On average, it's only 12.5% penalty, and gets better the rarer the potions are consumed
at this point it even beats having to wait for mana regen
by a small margin ofc
sharp prism
another reason mage is best class
craggy stratus
mana management is balanced tfw
tired haven
high IQ beats medium IQ rather
tawny garden
yeah
tired haven
low iq is lesser mana potions last prism
tawny garden
or ranger exists
ashen warren
imagine being called average by crabbar
sharp prism
low iq is lesser mana potions last prism
stop it
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
ranger is prime low iq
brittle nexus
Oh yeah then theres summoner which can spam without giving a second thought about mana sickness
sharp prism
tired haven
ranger is negative iq
ashen warren
no shit
sharp prism
i agree
tawny garden
ye lol
dim star
ranger is negative iq
@tired haven true
ashen warren
rangers are bots
tawny garden
and that's dumb
cobalt pewter
Ranger brunge, let's remove all of its homing
tawny garden
remove ranger
cobalt pewter
And make them all aim
sharp prism
^
cobalt pewter
craggy stratus
remove gun, return to stick and rock
tawny garden
it promotes idiotism around the world
brittle nexus
"Ranger requires aim so it's the most skillful class" no.
dim star
remove ranger suggestion
zealous ridge
ranger just needs to actually have something interesting
sharp prism
"Ranger requires aim so.its the most skillful class" no.
mage is most skillful class
cobalt pewter
good lord another derail moment in sugg discussion, ebic
zealous ridge
There are no mechanics
swift fulcrum
convert ranger into flamethrower only class
zealous ridge
Aiming and ammo are hardly mechanics lmao
brittle nexus
Stealth rogue on the other hand
zealous ridge
Dart weapons actually do interesting shit which is why I’d love to see more of those kinds of weapons
craggy stratus
@cobalt pewter you are being called out
zealous ridge
you know the mechanic of gun
cobalt pewter
Whomst called me
zealous ridge
Shoot boolet
cobalt pewter
weak field
Where's the skill required in mage
craggy stratus
in a good way, or i misinterpret the convo
weak field
You literally just put on mana flower, farm for potions, and spam
zealous ridge
mana management and variety of attack styles, mostly
well ye
Mana flower is a bad balancing precedent though
weak field
The only difference between mage and ranger is that you need mana flower
cobalt pewter
Not sure, I was busy contemplating which item should I implement on my mod next
zealous ridge
Lmao
sharp prism
Where's the skill required in mage
having a high iq which you clearly dont
weak field
Thank you for the insult
tawny garden
zealous ridge
mana flower is just not a good accessory
sharp prism
np
cobalt pewter
Byeah, stealth rogue can be fun, even tho it's statistically worse than spam rogue
zealous ridge
I dislike immensely
cobalt pewter
Honestly I wouldn't really mind if Stealth got the similar treatment to Adren
craggy stratus
^
zealous ridge
that’s what stealth should be most of the game
I don’t think it has to be relegated to endgame
necessarily
craggy stratus
scarlet devil
brittle nexus
Rogue yharon basically forces a stealth build with dragon scale though so
cobalt pewter
Endgame stealth is near spam half of the time
craggy stratus
dragon scales save stealth in yharon and scal fight
zealous ridge
ah so you mean more so than it is currently
cobalt pewter
Rogue yharon basically forces a stealth hold with dragon scale though so
You can really slap some more stealth strikes in the meantime
brittle nexus
Rogue yharon was hell while summoner was a cakewalk, in my most recent playthroughs
cobalt pewter
Byeah, what I'm saying is that regen boosts should be massively reduced in favor of damage boosts or other boosts
For stealth that is
cobalt pewter
Byeah
wooden wedge
#suggestions-posting message
#suggestions-posting message
you could at least try and change your sugg reasoning
robust lava
This seems like a personal vendetta against the Sea Shell
worthy lintel
Sea Shell is worth getting vendetta'd though
Sea Shell is one of the most annoying Absorber ingredients to gather
But yea he could use a better reasoning
summer sentinel
@wary herald You will need to be more descriptive in your suggestion if you are suggesting sea shell spawn rate increase, and why it'd be warranted. your suggestion topic is fine to mention about about sea shell drop chance but just explain it better
wooden wedge
also if the sea snail doesnt spawn i think youre doing something wrong with your farm
wary herald
@summer sentinel ooh ok got it got it
summer sentinel
Good
wooden wedge
they get moved to voting automatically now dont they
cobalt pewter
Well yes
frail mantle
they do
wooden wedge
blame the people who sugg, not the system
summer sentinel
people are really going at it with this new prelude update
robust lava
It means that they'll probably get drowned out by each other and none of them will get enough votes
wary herald
@summer sentinel i fixed it, it is good like this ?
sleek girder
speaking of the auric bars sugg, should i do one of the tesla toilet getting the auric tesla animation or wait a bit?
summer sentinel
The drop chance to get the sea shell is 50% iirc, so might want to edit that/confirm with wiki, the wording could also be slightly more, fine tuned
sleek girder
also yeah sea shell i think is 1/3 or 1/2
summer sentinel
I don't think tesla toilet would get an animation as it stands no, but you can suggest it any time sure
sleek girder
k
wary herald
@summer sentinel fixed, the drop is 33.3 percent and in revengeance i think is 50 percent
summer sentinel
I don't know why you mentioned the white squid though
You can just mention simply that since the sea snail is a rare enemy that spawns, make the sea shell a 100% drop chance in rev+ mode so this way, it makes getting ingredients for the absorber better <---- word it something better like this
tawny garden
LOL
Just 10 minutes ago, I said "there are too many suggs in posting", and since then 3 more suggs appeared
hardy dock
Oof
sleek girder
good.
sleek girder
i got like 2 comments on a single sugg and that's it haha
gilded crow
is it just me or is the Core of the Blood God kinda.... bland?
it is meant to be a counterpart to the Amalgam, but it just feels so boring
tawny garden
Is it meant to be a counterpart to The Amalgam?
tawny garden
In that case, mission accomplished I guess, cause both are equally bland and boring and shitty
hollow sierra
@gilded crow this is because blood pact isn't represented in it at all
cobalt pewter
Actually
tawny garden
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
cobalt pewter
The hp and healing buffs sorta repped blood pact
But ozz teased a full rework for CotBG, and the latest healing buff just for the feels good
hollow sierra
iirc blood god is getting philosopher stone built in or something
i can't remember what was said last time this conversation came up
gilded crow
there could be something more to it, like how the bloodstone core trades defence for health
there could be some lifesteal thing or crazy regen for the cost of tankiness
But ozz teased a full rework for CotBG, and the latest healing buff just for the feels good
@cobalt pewter ooohh
hipe
cobalt pewter
That was before .006, hence "unreleased buff to CotBG" when talking about the healing buff
hollow sierra
Thank you
summer sentinel
Very valid sugg: I agree with angry dog spawn rate increase, it really does need to happen because you barely see them, making cryophobia basically nonexistent, yes
Valid sugg: for the other suggestion: that's most likely just the yanmei's knife animation which can be smoothened out to properly reflect the use time and be more acceptable in that regard.
brittle nexus
Arent angry dogs also the main way to get leather in a crimson world
hollow sierra
you can convert vertebrae to rotten chunks
gilded crow
That was before .006, hence "unreleased buff to CotBG" when talking about the healing buff
@cobalt pewter so it could become an actual playstile shaper?
brittle nexus
With mods, not in cal I think
cobalt pewter
Leather is craftable with vertebrae on cal
tawny garden
Checked the old messages in #wiki-basic
Apparently CotBG is a counterpart the The Amalgam because their recipes are "similar"
gilded crow
ah
summer sentinel
You can use vertebrae or rotten chunks for leather @brittle nexus
gilded crow
neat
summer sentinel
5 of either for 1 leather
tawny garden
Like what
brittle nexus
Illogical but convenient 👍
sleek girder
prob because of the bloody worm scarf and amalgamated brain
hollow sierra
^
tawny garden
This is kinda stupid
gilded crow
but one thing in calamity, accessories that have a wall of text are always cooler
so give one to the CotBG
sleek girder
^
hollow sierra
sponge
gilded crow
what's this?
^
@sleek girder
tawny garden
"This"
sleek girder
^
gilded crow
the message above?
summer sentinel
Wall of text for accessories is bound to happen with how much they do, you can't just say "this accessory is good, use it", because that tells nothing
tawny garden
Yeah
sleek girder
yes
hardy dock
Have you ever used a Bloodstone Weapon
hollow sierra
"i agree with the above message"
hardy dock
Ive literally only ever used the Mutilator, arguably the best one
tawny garden
The winner of Wall of Text contest is [[Revengeance]]
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
Bloodsplosions should just be part of an accessory tbh
And rework all Bloodstone weapons to be similar to Bloodfire Bullets and Lacerator
Dealing more dmg with life regen
sleek girder
blood for the blood god?
gilded crow
techno pog?
gilded crow
well, anything that would make the CotBG more interesting for bossfights would be neat
like the previously mentioned bloodsplosions, maybe a regen buff with it
some trade of defence and raw damage....
sleek girder
i think they can do something with the cooldown of flesh totem
like you said trade of defense
during the cooldown you have less defense but more damage or some life's real thing
life steal*
gilded crow
ah, text comprehension is NOT one of my strenghts
sleek girder
just something to make it more interesting
gilded crow
exactly
sleek girder
and really the sponge is kinda iffy
i much prefer the rampart to it
when will you stand still
the defense buffs are minuscule
and depends on accs the DR isn't much
worthy lintel
I just hate how Rampart asks you to get hit to benefit from some of it's effects
sleek girder
like reaper tooth necklace
well it works for me i get hit quite often
well often enough
more immune frames and more dr when lower health
health potion cd is shortened
gilded crow
another thing for the CotBG is that it looks so sad
idk if it's just me but it looks depressed
gilded crow
shouldn't it be angry?
gilded crow
btw, statis' void sash is kinda meh compared to the asgardian aegis
worthy lintel
Blame Sash being RNG while Aegis is Skill
sleek girder
hopefully it gets a buff
gilded crow
indeed it's not
sleek girder
cool weapon but not good
gilded crow
make it a post providence thing
and buff it beyond what seems reasonable
I think there aren't enough explosions in this mod
there should be more cool sounding aoe(s)
sleek girder
what if wet becomes an actual debuff
gilded crow
what if wet becomes an actual debuff
@sleek girder you'd have to visit the nurse, cuz you're wet
sleek girder
yes
pine star
worthy lintel
gilded crow
there should be a grappling hook that isn't the bobbit worm in the endgame
worthy lintel
Static Hook EX
sleek girder
maybe like polterghasts arm lookin thing
river glen
cosmilite hook
sleek girder
haha
gilded crow
yeeee
river glen
or something
sleek girder
yes the dog
pine star
YES
river glen
the bar hooks
hardy dock
Draedon Spine
gilded crow
the DOG
sleek girder
yharim spine?
river glen
imagine using dog as a hook
gilded crow
with a lot of reach
hardy dock
The dog is canonically a mile long
gilded crow
and why not, an istakill against normal enemies
hardy dock
Abyss hook is already a thing
sleek girder
yup.
cobalt pewter
Core of the Blood God:
- Hitting NPCs have a very small chance to create a bloodsplosion that spawns a bunch of hearts. The chance is increased when the target is under low health.
- Flesh Totem's cooldown integrated with Bloody Boost and Bloody Worm Scarf, and then rebranded into a new buff.
• Contact damage taken will influence the duration of this buff.
• While the buff is active, Flesh Totem effect cannot be triggered, but the player will gain increased damage, DR, HP, and healing value of potions while the cooldown "buff" is active.
hardy dock
Called the bobbit hook or smth
cobalt pewter
Boom
sleek girder
yes but this is a wyrm
worthy lintel
It pales in comparison to what else exists at it's tier
worthy lintel
Minuscule stats increase and it's main perk only works every 20 seconds
cobalt pewter
They're probably talking about that random rework concept I threw in, byech
gilded crow
Core of the Blood God:
- Hitting NPCs have a very small chance to create a bloodsplosion that spawns a bunch of hearts. The chance is increased when the target is under low health.
- Flesh Totem's cooldown integrated with Bloody Boost and Bloody Worm Scarf, and then rebranded into a new buff.
• Contact damage taken will influence the duration of this buff.
• While the buff is active, Flesh Totem effect cannot be triggered, but the player will gain increased damage, DR, HP, and healing value of potions while the cooldown "buff" is active.
@cobalt pewter awesome!
worthy lintel
The only good aspect is the extra hp from Health pots
cobalt pewter
Then again, ozz already confirmed a big rework to Blood Pact and CotBG, so
hardy dock
Rampart is underrated
sleek girder
rampart > sponge
hardy dock
Agree
gilded crow
^
gilded crow
||the oracle is lame||
worthy lintel
||All yoyos are lame tbh||
sleek girder
||except for the microwave it's funny||
worthy lintel
Ok you get a point
worthy lintel
Conceptually it's my favorite yoyo
sleek girder
beep
hardy dock
Fuck the microwave
gilded crow
no ;-;
worthy lintel
How dare you
gilded crow
beep
worthy lintel
🔫
violet minnow
microwave best yoyo
gilded crow
chromatic orb op
gilded crow
how?
sleek girder
make them all like the microwave