And it isn’t funny
#suggestions-discussion
unreal viper
terse sundial
Developers here are all volunteers
cobalt pewter
Sunken Sea having a shell around it can visually look cool too as long as it smoothens out to look like a giant circle thoguh, so it looks like a shelled circle with a gem inside of it, gem being that of the crystals
It could work yes
terse sundial
It's their choice to spend time making detailed sprites
dreamy oyster
It's their choice to spend time making detailed sprites
Exactly, they signed up for it. They know their sprites could be replaced at any second. Everyone would just be a lot happier with this change
gray nebula
You're not funny and youre not making anyone laugh, get funnier and better luck next time
dreamy oyster
Who said it was a joke?
👍
zenith hazel
I've already told you to drop it
we've already explained our points as to how it's invalid
cobalt pewter
Anyway, while the mods are handling this, Enchanted Metal bad, lemme see if I can find other qualified materials that serve up to 2 purposes
zenith hazel
if you choose to continue pushing it, it's not like it's going anywhere further than that
now drop it
cobalt pewter
pine star
steel sierra
frigid bars could be removed imo
sharp prism
frigid bars are fine imo
pine star
Frigid Bars are fine
unreal viper
No
terse sundial
merge frigid bars and enchanted metal
sleek turret
frigid bars actual function is to craft Moonlight, Frost Armor, uhh, and a bunch of weapons?
unreal viper
I don’t see what they do that Daedalus bars can’t
violet minnow
ye
hollow sierra
i just wanted to bring my opinion on the earth elemental back real quicklike:
1; shouldn't break symmetry on HotE
2; should have meaningful functionality
3; should be a waifu, no beefcakes in the babe squad kthnx
steel sierra
frigid is functionally identical to cryonic
gray nebula
no add beefcake in the babe squad
cobalt pewter
Frigid Bar is not that bad imo
sleek turret
daedalus bars is supposed to be the 'core of elium' counterpart
cobalt pewter
Not exactly related to bloat, but what if Ancient Bone Dust can be crafted into Bone with Bone Welder?
pine star
🤔
hollow sierra
@gray nebula Nay 
robust lava
Or just make a different HotE that's all Beefcakes 
zenith hazel
it sounds interesting but why
you get a shit ton of bones just from 1 dungeon trip already
cobalt pewter
True
sleek turret
you get the funny skeleton remains.
hollow sierra
HotE (Waifu Edition)
HotE (Husbando Edition)
sleek turret
HotE (Im not a simp™ edition, im here for the stats 😎 )
alright, back to the topic.
violet minnow
add config setting for husbando hote
why not
also add a pre hm swrod which does 3 damage and has a 2 use time and does 2 knockback and shoots three projectiles in random directions
summer sentinel
yes we get it. HoTE artstyle can be seen as a bit suggestive in nature but don't overthink it or make it weird
steel sierra
HotE but just the rare sand elemental
gray nebula
Heart of the BROS
sleek turret
heart of the old fps shooters
hollow sierra
I half imagine awaken starts playing whenever earth elemental spawns
pine star
sleek turret
about enchanted metal, uhh, make the enchanted metal variant of mechs be crafted with draedon materials since they are practically draedon toys at all.
violet minnow
that sounds like a boss
hollow sierra
future mech bosses
violet minnow
^
and future bosses were removed anyways, so why would we need them back
i like enchanted metal but i feel it could have more uses
sleek turret
and also, uhh, if Draedon's Remote summoned bosses drops draedon materials then basically they are made with draedon materials.
daring imp
i've got an idea of weapon
chair
dropped by moonlord, it's a melee weapon that has a slow attack speed but it deals a ton of damage when it hits, playing a special sound effect
tawny garden
frail mantle
No
violet dagger
sleek turret
Uhm, I think yes it should be fixed, as it blends with the underground biome.
patent nimbus
any issues with the way i worded it?
crude geode
@gilded crow Granite, Chaos, Ice, and Cosmic Elementals all exist as well.
regal jackal
Uhm, I think yes it should be fixed, as it blends with the underground biome.
@sleek turret x2
maybe a white line around it?
patent nimbus
personally i think the natural bright purple is fine
crude geode
I just realized. Why does the Wall of Flesh fire laser beams from it’s eyes instead of something like demon scythes or like anything else?
sharp prism
what 
crude geode
Like, why does a sentient wall of organic flesh and tissue fire mechanical esque laser beams.
golden narwhal
Do not question the almighty logic of Terraria 
crude geode
Red is very cool
sleek turret
something something about spirits of light and dark
proper grail
Something about a Guide
sleek turret
:byech:
uh, I mean about Flurrystorm Cannon is like the Butcher but without increased damage at all.
ashen warren
Cryogen suggestions ( I’m mage btw)
golden narwhal
Wrong channel?
ashen warren
Idek where to ask
golden narwhal
ashen warren
Ok
golden narwhal
And, uh, this needs donor permission, yes? (unless I'm mistaking it for another weapon)
dapper coral
it does
time to find the donor, brb
@smoky wagon are you okay with the latest sugg in posting?
smoky wagon
its meant to work like laser machinegun
so i dont see why it would need to be changed
if the weapon isnt viable just adjust the stats
dapper coral
aighty, thanks
golden narwhal
Rip sugg
dapper coral
@white patio i've removed it because donor says they would rather that didn't change
technically you have BoC lore
but that's about it
smoky wagon
the point of the weapon is to take a bit more effort to use so yeah i would rather keep it as is
dapper coral
or if you're switching to a support wep
smoky wagon
if the DPS isnt rewarding enough then just change that
dapper coral
byeah
white patio
daring imp
shit i was recording my entire gameplay
frail mantle
demonshade doesn't give stealth cause it's a classless set iirc
daring imp
but then it ran out of space and i lost the precious part where i finnaly beated astrum deus ;c
dapper coral
wrong channel?
daring imp
yes wrong
dapper coral
summer sentinel
demonshade gives melee buffs so I think it's more melee centric armor? might be wrong on this though
dapper coral
it's definitely not melee centric
frail mantle
it gives melee, summon and mage bonuses as well as a general damage increase iirc
frail mantle
no i think
dapper coral
hm
summer sentinel
ah yeah you're mostly right Leon, just checked: it goes melee, summon, and mage bonus but mage via more mana plus overall damage yeah
dapper coral
thing is is, demonshade isn't really class-less because it doesn't provide just general boosts, rather it provides class boosts as well
summer sentinel
so it just misses ranged and rogue, okay. so it isn't melee centric although the chestplate gives some really beefy melee stats
dapper coral
so this could be an argument to make demonshade more class-full, if you will
frail mantle
yea hentai just gives general classless boosts+minion slots cause lol
frail mantle
dapper coral
hm
dapper coral
^
frail mantle
that's called all-class
tawny garden
shut
dapper coral
or, you could suggest a general change to classless/all-class armors so that they give stealth
tawny garden
my wording is best
dapper coral
because it would probably make sense for all-class to do so
cosmic swift
Maybe the stealth of demashade armor isn't buffed a lot, could this be done with other sets thought?
Also be applied to other armour
radiant meadow
craftable dye materials 
summer sentinel
The dye materials for the fruits were added to thematically represent the fruit itself, and to make them a bit harder to craft I think
summer sentinel
Ben probably knows 5x more on this so yeah, Ben help
radiant meadow
idk
summer sentinel
well represent as in food dye coloring wise
placid mason
You need things such as orange bloodroot for life upgrades such as the miracle fruit.
summer sentinel
I mean if you don't know, then what you're saying is all I got
radiant meadow
https://gyazo.com/a4c484fb8ea36dc45a562626495a766b (Fab is evil)
tawny garden
pine star
zenith hazel
tbf those specific materials aren't that hard to find
tawny garden
was he also drunk/high
radiant meadow
I don't think so
tawny garden
strange
placid mason
Still sucks when you don't have them.
hollow shell
Spelunker Potion
zenith hazel
you can probably find most of these just by playing the game normally
placid mason
I usually do, but not all the time.
golden narwhal
Still sucks when you don't have them.
tbf that could be said for anything in-game
Could go more into detail on why it's more troublesome to get than other materials
proper grail
I've only found Lime Kelp once in my 1000+ hours of gameplay. Dye materials are cruel
placid mason
You have to rely on the world deciding to have them or not rather than just grinding enemies as usual.
golden narwhal
Then put that in the sugg
plain river
If you don’t have any dye materials in your world you can walk on dirt without grass with HoTE
proper grail
Also bold the title
placid mason
Oh I forgot about that
heady storm
Bolding the title isn’t necessary.
plain river
It makes it look better
placid mason
How do I hold?
heady storm
You still don’t have to if you’re lazy.
summer sentinel
** on both sides
placid mason
Ok thanks
plain river
two stars on both sides of the message
summer sentinel
Brav said what I was going to say basically: you can just find at least 1 of each throughout your playing of the game normally since the first upgrade is only post mechs anyways, plenty of time
plain river
Still really annoying and a bit rng to find
golden narwhal
So, uh, wanna put this in the sugg
You have to rely on the world deciding to have them or not rather than just grinding enemies as usual.
zenith hazel
they're health upgrades, they're supposed to take effort to make
glass sentinel
@daring imp 
radiant meadow
You should also tell them what they're doing wrong tbh.
daring imp
yeah i'm doing it now sry
glass sentinel
its fine
tawny garden
shift+enter
glass sentinel
also the rare waifu is pretty OP without scaling imo
daring imp
i know how to separate paragraphs
radiant meadow
you make a title by separating a single line as the header
tawny garden
you don't need to bold the title
radiant meadow
bolding or italicizing is unnecessary
daring imp
i just don't know how to make the text with contrast
glass sentinel
you dont need bold
daring imp
oh
radiant meadow
you don't need to
tawny garden
(**Bold text**)
glass sentinel
@daring imp you havent done it yet
title
also imo scaling rare waifu makes it even more OP
like too OP
hardy dock
What if demonshade had lifesteal
That’d be a good way to make it a viable alternative to Auric
glass sentinel
daring imp
is editing the suggestion enough
glass sentinel
yup
heady storm
Go ask Brav if it's fine now.
hardy dock
As long as the title is bold it should be fine
heady storm
It doesn't need to be bold for the 2nd time today.
You just need a seperate title otherwise the bot dies.
hardy dock
But buffing Rare Waifu is dumb
daring imp
imma just post it again, i also forgot to finish the edition
summer sentinel
It's possible if the functionality of it ends up being a bit obsolete to the eyes of the devs, wouldn't call it just dumb
daring imp
suggestion done
also any way of getting luminite whitout having to defeat moonlord again?
glass sentinel
no
tawny garden
#suggestions-voting message was the last sugg that went through the entire sugg procedure and then (half-)implemented, and it was suggested about a month ago
smh sugg system ineffective rework
daring imp
weird that they add a new ore generated once moonlord is defeated but no luminite veins
hardy dock
Why would it
golden narwhal
I swear if ML wasn't so people would want this less
crude geode
if ML didn’t take 2 minutes to spawn people wouldn’t mind farming him
glass sentinel
*1 min
hardy dock
I just use Reduced Grinding
daring imp
so we don't have to defeat the final boss of terraria multiple times?
glass sentinel
are we going to get a sugg out of this?
hardy dock
Eh I’m on mobile so I’m not making it
golden narwhal
It prolly was, not so sure anymore
daring imp
is elemental axe superior than plague engine?
craggy stratus
On provi, no
daring imp
why not on providence?
radiant meadow
(they have boosted damage actually)
craggy stratus
Iframes
placid mason
I decided to use that heart of the elements strategy that someone mentioned to me earlier and guess what I got: literally every dye plant except for the one that I need.
real steppe
cobalt pewter
Rare sand is op
golden narwhal
@fringe knot need a proper heading (view other suggs above yours)
cobalt pewter
Slap a heartreach or cadance and you got yourself a healing engine
fringe knot
@golden narwhal Sorry, I'm new around here
golden narwhal
heady storm
Flurrystorm is dedicated.
earnest cape
thats why it's so good
heady storm
A direct upgrade isn't allowed under such basis iIrc.
golden narwhal
o
earnest cape
the more you know I guess
heady storm
@fringe knot yeah it's a don't ultimately, sorry.
fringe knot
Oh
dapper coral
unless the dedicatee agrees to it, yeah
fringe knot
welp
grim tusk
ok tested ranger weps due to quiver changes for nohitting (gear used in following messages) and it needs some balancing:
Magno is garbo (120k dps)
Chicken cannon (ranger's best heart killer), shit otherwise also fucking lag
Gale is very rng (120k-310k dps on Scal), laggy as fuck
Onyxia buff is good, but bad results as expected for a darksun wep on Scal (60k dps)
Tyranny's end, auric weapon as good as onyxia (60k dps)
Pulse rifle, decent wep fucking finally (180k dps)
Photo, was its left click nerfed?, however still stronk as fuck when mixing left and right click firing (200k dps)
Drat, was it nerfed? never got it to pass 300k dps on Scal (got around 280k) (Gale is better than its updgrade 
) (Oracle is still the most powerful pre-Scal wep with 350k), completely decimated brothers (400k on brothers)
wait did i post in wrong channel?
earnest cape
yes
cobalt pewter
prob
But appreciate the numbers regardless
This means that Drata is bad apparently
earnest cape
also wouldn't drat be better at full left charge
cobalt pewter
grim tusk
meant to post it on #calamity-mod-talk
earnest cape
bren furt
grim tusk
used left charge
cobalt pewter
Tempted to ping brav
grim tusk
but Gale's tornadoes are fucking broken
earnest cape
grim tusk
imma try
Gear used: Auric ranger
Accesories on menacing:
Amalgam, Cel. Tracers, Ele quiver, Community, RTN, DSA, Yharim's gift
Buffs:
Both effigies, Bloody mary, moscow mule, fab's vodka, well fed, holy wrath, prof rage, omniescense, absolute rage, stimulants, archery, spite, fungal clump (from amalgam)
cobalt pewter
grim tusk
lores: Cryogen, Cultist, provi, Ravager (doing d-d)
earnest cape
thank you for your service
grim tusk
rightclick drat: 280k
ok more testing with RNGale and 120k if no nadoes are hitting and then dps increases by about 40k per each nado
pretty rng
earnest cape
I never get nadoes with gale
summer sentinel
Yeah it's rng because of when what arrows are fired of a certain type for optimal dps for ale, while drat is just drat: the only rng is how often you may get damaged if left click, not alt fire
grim tusk
so it has to the potential to be
bad as magno or the second best wep in the tier, just behind Oracle
earnest cape
does drat still reset if you get hit with god mode on?
earnest cape
can lul acc with specific character name negate 1 shot from arma
grim tusk
not that I know about
earnest cape
I've seen fab used it and he didn't take damage whatsoever not even debuff damage with it
summer sentinel
no, I think god mode bypasses the on hit decreased fire rate because I don't see why it wouldn't
violet dagger
serene fox
weak field
But why
heady storm
@daring imp that is a pure SIS.
dapper coral
this is an SIS
weak field
Like, why
daring imp
what is a sis?
weak field
Specific item suggestion
dapper coral
read the doc in the pins
whole sedge
Read #suggestions-voting pins
daring imp
well it wasn't serious at all just a fun addition because everyone likes monkeys :>
should i delete it anyway?
daring imp
and the funniest part is that it would be post yharon
heady storm
Meme suggestions are also a big no yeah.
sturdy geyser
cobalt pewter
ruby shore
what mods you guys recomend when beggening? all the mods /addons i should use
cobalt pewter
This place is derailed enough as it is
And now someone's asking random shit in sugg
Smh my head man
dapper coral
it's fine, it's gone and they went to another channel
placid mason
Dye update: still nothing, I'm convinced Fabsol forgot to add the teal mushroom to the list-of-things-that-the-bloomstone-can-grow-on-dirt and never bothered to fix it.
heady storm
@cobalt pewter yeah, I'm just going to emphasize this one more time to you; leave it be once it's done and dealt with.
cobalt pewter
summer sentinel
Tesla potion visual can probably be a toggle I'd imagine, because actually stripping that feature would limit the potions usefulness when it comes to usage on bosses and mobs
cobalt pewter
So the area is invisible but it still functions?
earnest cape
I mean it could happen since luiafk has also a toggleable thing for the visuals of inferno potion
that was worded well
hollow sierra
tesla potion should probably just be a ring and not a solid circle
dapper coral
ah crap
cobalt pewter
@dapper coral maybe wanna check that Dazzling Stabber sugg in voting? Seems like it's a tad too specific
Ah rip
Lag
dapper coral
cobalt pewter
Byeah
dapper coral
i uh
heady storm
Can still delete it if it really shouldn't have passed.
dapper coral
mm
dapper coral
we'll just have to grab it first and get them to repost it without numbers
heady storm
Yeah exactly.
cobalt pewter
Example or not, still rather specific imo
tawny garden
I think we allowed that previously
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
mmm don't think so
exact numbers are bad
when suggesting a buff/rework
but uh yes
Make Dazzling Stabber Gain Defense and DR Penetration.
The Providence Drops are almost never used, and the Holy Blade deals really bad damage. However, as we see in Journey's end, Blade Staff is terrifyingly powerful with the 25 Defense Penetration and rapid damage.
I think maybe 75 Defense and 30% DR Penetration, or 100 Defense and 40% DR Penetration, and provide superior Attack Speed.
@nocturne coral the numbers are too specific in your sugg ^
heady storm
Yeah remove that last line entirely actually.
earnest cape
SIS
dapper coral
just say something along the lines of "some added defense and/or DR would make this weapon a worthwhile choice" or something
it's not quite SIS but it's not valid as is
earnest cape
although the SIS aside a pretty good sugg imo
tawny garden
You know what
earnest cape
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny garden
I have noticed this before
But it didn't seem like a big deal at the time
Sugg posting can't handle the amount of suggs
cobalt pewter
dapper coral
such is the way of suggestions
tawny garden
#suggestions-posting is too smol
We should buy a bigger channel
heady storm
Make the potion of omnipotence not impact WoF's lasers
This one reminds me of another case, so I want to write up a suggestion right now about it.
earnest cape
Yes
cobalt pewter
earnest cape
don't worry brain farts are common \
tawny garden
potion of omnipotence
I thought something was weird, but I for some reason couldn't put my finger on it
((Just realized that the Potion of Omnipotence is [[Purified Jam]]))
red stormBOT
heady storm
Hope I'm good for the count.
earnest cape
how long did it took you to get those pictures
tawny garden
but why did you underline the title
earnest cape
he wants to be different
swift fulcrum
aesthetics
heady storm
I had to load up tmod, get appropriate gear, and then actually spend time fighting the boss.
Had to autopause right when I could get perfect shots.
heady storm
Are you subtly asking me to use your example Altix?
distant gyro
yes
heady storm
Oki, you win this time.
heady storm
heady storm
Done as requested.
earnest cape
golden narwhal
mfw underworld counters omniscience 
earnest cape
Ah yes
ashen warren
I thought the spiky gauntlet was a part of the calamity mod but apparently it is weapons out i was gonna ask to nerf it aha
all it needs is 3 stingers and a feral claw and you get a auto attacking combo weapon that does 50 damage per hit and you do like 3 hits a second
and if you right click you get an invincible dash that’s unlimited 😂
modern warren
@cobalt pewter
i think
enchanted metal should be used to hallowed eq
and crafted from frigif bar and cryonic bar
serene fox
(I completely forgot this item existed)
cobalt pewter
That could def work
But I don't see the point as the combination isn't as abundant as Ascendant Spirit Essence mats
Also your sugg needs more structure and reasoning
tawny garden
The title should actually be a sentence
Not a pile of words that were stitched together with gaffer tape
serene fox
suggestion itself is also needlessly specific
tawny garden
I sound like a fucking english teacher
serene fox
you do at times
heady storm
Okay, but is there anything wrong with this suggestion?
serene fox
needless specificity
heady storm
It should be to craft mech boss summons and for hallowed gear.
What does deleting the material altogether do to accomplish this @modern warren.
And yeah, too specific here and there.
serene fox
I think they mean from archmage's shop
not the material itself
but yeah they should make that more clear
heady storm
Mmhm.
earnest cape
quite specific
modern warren
Then change your suggestion appropriately.
@heady storm
ok changed
heady storm
needless specificity
You need to remove the recipe you suggested too.
summer sentinel
@modern warren Please edit your suggestion more so to make it have more reasoning and importance as to why you want this change to happen, since currently, your suggestion does not address why it should get changed and the importance of said change. you can suggest for example enchanted metal being cheaper to buy for example than outright removing it, as just an example solution
earnest cape
hmmm
serene fox
buffing silva means indirectly buffing auric
cobalt pewter
You only lose max hp during silva invul if you get more hits during the buff
frozen storm
Guys what do you think about my suggestion?
cobalt pewter
And yes
serene fox
earnest cape
^ true
earnest cape
Guys what do you think about my suggestion?
needs more reasoning imo
frozen storm
No i mean set cooldown to 5-10 min to prevent cheesing
cobalt pewter
If you make it to just refresh on timer, it's just a longer Godslayer Rez then
frozen storm
What about reduced max life
earnest cape
If you make it to just refresh on timer, it's just a longer Godslayer Rez then
but without deleting life regen
cobalt pewter
Halving now
frozen storm
summer sentinel
Could you explain your reasoning for silva armor in a bit more detail as to why it should have a cd more so than just losing your max hp because it does that as sort of a risk-reward system, it could just use some more detail
crude geode
There was a suggestion somewhere about making it possible to heal the health decrease via nurse.
frozen storm
?
serene fox
am I misinterpreting or
summer sentinel
tbf I don't know why it reduces max hp but that's probably just to try to limit its power from being too good w/o any downsides
cobalt pewter
What's the consensus for nurse healing in rev again? All I know is that nurse healing is no in boss fights at death
ashen warren
I would like it if Silva Immunity refreshes every time a boss is defeated insstead of having the player to kill themselves or log out and into the world again
ashen warren
of course
frozen storm
But what about regular enemies?
summer sentinel
that'd be probably the best way to go about it: after said boss is defeated then your HP reverts back to its original state
frozen storm
Hmmm
ashen warren
no
frozen storm
Yes
Thats what i mean
But I think changing your max hp causes bugs increasing or decreasing your hp
summer sentinel
I think it should be fine if devs accept it, since that way you don't need to die to reset it, potentially
signal glade
what
Have you tried Onyxia's new onyx range?
@cobalt pewter what patch note number?
cobalt pewter
1.4.5.006, latest
cobalt pewter
Feel free to try the buffed onyx blast first before deciding what to do with the sugg
summer sentinel
Fair enough, valid sugg
swift fulcrum
the buff basically reverted the range to its previous state
robust lava
I feel like this sugg could do without the "looks like about 2m was spent on them"
That line's veering into the domain of art bashing for the sake of art bashing imo
ashen lark
perhaps, idk. they just dont feel right for where they are obtained
robust lava
Some new placed bars art did just get approved in the art server, have you looked at them?
frail mantle
the placed bars that were accepted are the ones in-game, pretty sure
robust lava
Yeah, I just checked in-game now, looks like they made it in for 1.4.5.6
ashen lark
the placed bars that were accepted are the ones in-game, pretty sure
@frail mantle it seems the animation isnt in for auric, so i just hope the devs have something planned
robust lava
That was proposed as variants, not as an animation
robust lava
Are those the bars that you think need replacing, or was it previous textures?
ashen lark
Are those the bars that you think need replacing, or was it previous textures?
@robust lava wdym by this?
robust lava
Sorry, I might be making things more complicated
ashen lark
like i think cosmilite is in a ok place for now, could do with a animation but is perfectly fine.
but auric and shadowspec are just one color and some shading
robust lava
Ok, so this suggestion is about the bars currently in-game, wasn't sure if you had seen them or not
ashen lark
ye.
they arent that impresive tbh
probably because of a too good job on cosmilite
or their actual sprites
hollow sierra
I guess a fair question to ask would be why not just give the onyx shards infinite range
they don't inherent any ammo properties and you have to both aim pretty well and lead your shots due to travel time
you could give the chain blaster long but still finite range to make it a less jarring transition from regular blaster and onyxia
hardy dock
Wait do the bars have placed sprites now?
tawny garden
yes
hardy dock
yo thats pretty sick
tawny garden
apart from Victide Bars
summer sentinel
animate uelibloom bars now that would be really nice
ashen lark
Yeah I think the sprites are fine
@hardy dock i think cosmilite ruins it tbh, its too good
hollow sierra
dropping bars faster than a rapper at a gym
pine star
ashen warren
yeah this suggestion will not cause any flame war at all
here it comes
this is a minor sugg but can the elysian tracer have provi's color scheme instead of dog's since it is "Elysian" which belongs to the title of Providence
sturdy geyser
i remember fathom swarmer being very good
ashen warren
MAKE ROGUE CLASS TOGGLEABLE
as many know, the throwing class has been killed off for good by relogic in the latests update. many say it is because of the lack of unique playstyles and whatsoever (the class would've survived if it had any uniqueness to it).
it has the playstyle of ranged or melee so thats why i would suggest making the class toggleable as spirit mod did.
i personally and many others do not think the "stealth" mechanic is just not cutting it to make the class unique as it is right now
here comes wild fire
sand umbra
yeah Fathom Swarmer got annihilated
zenith hazel
ok so why should rogue be toggleable?
because I feel like this could be easily avoided by just not playing rogue
ashen warren
i gave a reason in the end a little
ashen warren
how
zenith hazel
just because stealth is “bad” doesn’t mean the whole class should be turned off
zenith hazel
ok, what purpose would that achieve?
summer sentinel
How can a whole class be toggleable to begin with and also for rogue, if you don't want to use stealth utilization then you can just constantly attack without stealth or alternatively, just do melee
ashen warren
bro what
summer sentinel
I don't see the logistical standpoint here in what you're trying to convey in its relevancy and importance to make it a toggle
ashen warren
i just said
because the class doesn't offer a new way of playing the game to make it a new class as many of the weapons belong in other classes
summer sentinel
I'm building up on what brav said
zenith hazel
but again, what are you trying to achieve with your sugg?
summer sentinel
that's never happening
zenith hazel
nope
civic notch
I actually really like the latest sunken sea idea
zenith hazel
converting rogue to some other class is a sugg don’t
ashen warren
converting rogue to some other class is a sugg don’t
@zenith hazel wait when, i've read them
zenith hazel
even if it’s just rogue-throwing conversion being a don’t, converting rogue to some other class is never gonna happen
ashen warren
ah i see
unreal viper
no.
ashen warren
like how classes should work and such?
ashen warren
i don't think so
unreal viper
That's a nice place to have convos like that,
unreal viper
Don't think i can, try asking him.
coarse trout
dull wren
I play summoner a lot and i don’t think I’ve used fathom swarmer often for that very reason
hollow shell
@frozen storm You could be a bit more descriptive in your suggestion's title line. You just say to buff the armor but your reason is fully focused on making it so you don't have to die to get your revive and MaxHP back.
So, you should prolly say something like that in the title.
@ashen lark Your title line should also mention that you mean the placed bars, which have animations in the inventory. Right now it's quite redundant and confusing as-is, "animate the bars that have animations"
(At first I didn't even know you were talking about ore bars and not meters like Adrenaline and Stealth)
tawny garden
can you even animate tiles?
hollow shell
Yes
tawny garden
huh
hollow shell
see: Waterfall glass tiles
sand umbra
see as well: placed cogs
tawny garden
ahh, right
hollow shell
Bars might be different but probably won't be
sand umbra
the only issue I could see arising there is that bars are tiny little bastards
you get one (1) 8x8 tile of space to work with
sharp prism
the spriter had variants of the auric so you would need to add frames between those variants which would be difficult to do
tawny garden
Iron Heart doesn't need it cause it paints your hearts in Hollow Knight color
violet minnow
ye you can see its on
wooden wedge
@unborn lantern read above
unborn lantern
hollow shell
(iirc the devs were planning to add it to the UI
It will probably occur in the 1.5 update along with other mode changes)
tawny garden
pine star
Blade Elemental
summer sentinel
This sugg needs more reasoning than that by far
They cosmically materialize swords out of thin air
sharp prism
tawny garden
@ashen warren drops usually don't correlate with the name of the enemy
ashen warren
i have provided more reasoning
tawny garden
the last sentence is kinda out of place tbh
dapper coral
i feel like the last sentence adds more reason as to why they should be called cosmic lol
if they look like galactica singularities, aka space crystals, then it would make sense that they're cosmic beings
ashen warren
yet they do not relate to the singularities at all
i have provided more reasoning and additional actions to take
sand umbra
They cosmically materialize swords out of thin air
as cosmic as their sword-manifesting powers may be within your headcanons
there is nothing concretely cosmic about Cosmic Elementals aside from vague Galactica Singularity resemblance
civic pond
yeah honestly the enemies themselves always felt out of place
copper turret
they are cosmic but spawn underground?
cosmic has something to do with space... and the ground, while part of a celestial body, technically isn't space
sand umbra
it'd be better to give 'em a resprite that suits the like 4 fucking swords they drop and name them Blade Elementals
(and also make them minibosses but that's another beast of a subject)
sharp prism
Stab Elemental
violet minnow
if we make them miniboss we would need to increase drop chance
copper turret
Also they just feel like resprited granite elementals with a very tiny use
violet minnow
of the sworkds
summer sentinel
I mean yeah Thomas, it was a headcanon trying to make sense of cosmic elementals being cosmic, but all they do drop is blade so blades would be more reflective on what they do
limber ocean
took me a minute to remember what a cosmic elemental was
not really the most memorable enemy in the mod
copper turret
Whenever I get Enchanted sword / Starfury from them its either while i'm trying to mine ores (usually HM ores or uelibloom or whatever) or if i'm fishing well into post-ML
it's literally just a hovering going-through walls lottery machine
copper turret
Yeah but then "Rename fortune elemental to something actually sword-related or change it so it drops more money instead"
I can see this appearing up in #suggestions-posting a month later
silk echo
melee elemental?
silk echo
or how about a magnetic elemental, because it could be a magnetic being that has swords stuck to it due it's properties
copper turret
it'd be better to give 'em a resprite that suits the like 4 fucking swords they drop and name them Blade Elementals
So thomas said that they should be called blade elementals and i really like that
violet minnow
blade elemental is good
silk echo
also is my suggestion for the multiplayer thing good?
sharp prism
id say its fine
hot zephyr
call them "Heartattack Elementals"
because they always sneak up on me when I'm mining
sharp prism
they fucking confuse you and make you run into them
summer sentinel
The MP suggestion is fine yeah, no issues with it
dapper coral
if better multiplayer doesn't do it already, then it's fine
summer sentinel
it does not, better mp only does couple minor tweaks
I also recall this suggestion in some way being brought up before to the devs and potentially having a plan to implement, so you don't randomly get well, like you said, eaten by DoG or dashed into by Yharon
hot zephyr
All I'd recommend for that sugg is to reword it because it sounds like word-salad
tawny garden
@silk echo ↑
silk echo
is it better now?
tawny garden
it's more readable, yes
but it still feels like some kind of word soup (probably because it's one giant sentence)
dapper coral
oh, yeah
you should break that up with some periods chief
tawny garden
yeah, this is a lot better
dapper coral
yea this gud now
violet dagger
honestly death boxes should be like the scal arena
where they dissapear off screen
sleek girder
true
swift fulcrum
the death box should create a fully fledged scal arena and have its size depend on world difficulty
hollow shell
@silk echo Your title line could be more descriptive
i.e. "over the player that is being targeted by the boss"
cuz as-is you can't parse any meaning out of it
ashen lark
btw could someone like actually phrase my sentence into what i mean that other people will understand
like theres a huge quality dip between auric and cosmilite
oop
hollow shell
"Make the placed versions of animated bars (ex. Auric & Shadowspec) also be animated."
A bit wordy but it works
proper grail
This Statis sugg seems pretty specific to me
hollow shell
@dim star Your top line should be a lot more concise than that
It should just be what you're proposing, plainly stated.
And you could add all that other stuff to your reason below
violet dagger
its basically asking for a new difficulty mode from what I understand ?
dim star
yes but you get access to it after you beat the game
and you keep all the good armor and weapons
hollow shell
Also @rancid sable You need to have a separate top line, stating what you want, with your reason in the paragraph below
Separate as in Shift+Enter
dim star
alright
violet dagger
new difficulty modes are a dont
hollow shell
Indeed they are
rancid sable
ah
hollow shell
because adding a whole new difficulty mode is a ton of effort
violet dagger
especially
the bosses get an overhaul
proper grail
Aren't specific NPCs and lore suggestions out as well?
hollow shell
(also it would be kinda redundant considering the Boss Rush exists, where you refight all of the old bosses but buffed up to your tier @dim star )
He could word it in a way that is non-specific
but as-is yeah it's not acceptable
He's got no reason either
dapper coral
this is entirely too sepcific at the moment, yea
violet dagger
the npc one or difficulty mode one
the npc one could work
but new difficulty mode is just
hollow shell
The NPC one could work yeah if modified
dapper coral
the npc one
violet dagger
hollow shell
but the New Game + sugg, ehhhnnnah I don't think so
dapper coral
"it'd be cool" or anything of that nature is not a valid reason
and again, bandit, a dedicated rogue npc, already exists
violet dagger
omwrn to suggest sugg nimwit role for this server
hollow shell
You can make your reason to be that he is a significant lore figure that needs more in-game presence
Right now your reason is not that
The whole Vampire Knives inclusion seems tacked on, too
like we can just make the Bandit sell that or add a recipe for it, no need for a new NPC that's not even directly related to the item
dapper coral
it is completely redundant at the moment, yes
proper grail
Can the Biome Chest loot be crafted ATM?
violet dagger
dont think so
rancid sable
he should definitely sell exclusive items/weaponry, but i'd be here all day if i had to come up with specific stuff for him to sell
proper grail
Here I go suggesting again
rancid sable
he'd essentially be a traveling merchant solely for rogue players
wary herald
make craftable the sea shell
i dont know why but the enemy doesnt spawn, even if i have chaos candles and a mini farm, and it will be a little bit easier to get the absorber
rancid sable
i was thinking he'd also sell buffs for rogue players too, but idk if i should just callem flasks or what
graceful hare
Vampire knives?
graceful hare
If you want quality of life content you can download other mods
sleek hornet
OH NO SNPCS
hollow shell
After we got the reason cleared up I was gonna say you can remove that bit about him spawning in space and stuff
hollow shell
"If you accidentally trash or sell one,"
Very rare occurrence
proper grail
I've done it
hollow shell
You fool
proper grail
With the Rainbow Gun. Tore myself up over that one
graceful hare
If you want potions you can download alch npc
proper grail
It was a bulk sell thing
rancid sable
yeah he can sell those too i guess, for the people who somehow managed to accidentally trash/sell their's
knives i mean
hollow shell
Also the bit about being in the spirit of Calamity,
hollow shell
I'm talking about Solstice's sugg now
sharp prism
one time i lost my valkyrire ray in to my other crafting interface from magic storage shit like this happens
hollow shell
afaik a majority of our current recipes are for stuff that cannot be reliably contained in a world, i.e. random generation could cuck you
graceful hare
I dont think a mod should change because of a specific and rare occurrence (I dont make games tho so dont take my word)
hollow shell
All biome chests are guaranteed
You can make the multiplayer argument, though
That works
If for some reason you got multiple people playing the same class
I would personally argue that it's fine if you're unable to obtain 100% of every item in every playthrough, you have other options. Usually plenty.
But, s'not the most popular opinion.
graceful hare
At some point every item is gonna have a recipe
rancid sable
the cure for cancer: 4 living shards and a couple cores of eleum or some shit
hollow shell
Freeze it out
rancid sable
pretty content with where my suggestion's at
dapper coral
i mean, iirc there are other mods that do this
probably imksushi
maybe luiafk too, etc
hollow shell
iirc sushi and Fargo both do
I can't remember if Luiafk does
hollow shell
Also uhh yeah Ryzen you should have more to your reason and less to how you want to see him executed
proper grail
Calamity is relatively self contained though, and often has overlap with other mods when it comes to making items craftable.
dapper coral
it's self-contained when it comes to content mods
hollow shell
Why should he sell the dojo stuff? Why should he do rogue class stuff when there already exists a Bandit NPC? Why make him a Travelling Merchant type and not a normal move-in NPC?
dapper coral
QoL is fair game always
hollow shell
This is stuff you should have in your reason, or else remove it from what you're asking
dapper coral
and it would be especially redundant for cal to add recipes if they already exist in multiple other QoL mods
proper grail
Let's say for some reason you want to use the Illustrious Knives AND Vampire Knives
graceful hare
More storage consumption
proper grail
You currently can't do that without another mod
rancid sable
Why make him a Travelling Merchant type and not a normal move-in NPC?
@hollow shell he's dead
a ghost
dapper coral
okay but why would you ever need to do that? that is an extremely rare occurence that one would use illustrious and vampire
hollow shell
Okay, you can include that in your reason
graceful hare
@rancid sable Dont we already have an npc SOLELY dedicated to rogue?
rancid sable
don't think most of the npcs have the ability to see or feel him
hollow shell
And yeah it's not often that you'd wanna use the predecessor to an upgrade
after you've made the upgrade
dapper coral
especially considering illustrious is literally endgame
hollow shell
Does vanilla Vampire have better lifesteal than Empyrean or Illustrious?
dapper coral
i would be extremely surprised if it did
hollow shell
Again, we're talking about Solstice's sugg, Ryzen
rancid sable
ohhh
graceful hare
Instead of adding a completely new npc with new mechanics for this specific purpose, how about suggest bandit sells them? @rancid sable
hollow shell
(I was indeed talking about yours before tho)
graceful hare
That's his entire purpose (for rogue)
rancid sable
her
graceful hare
fuck
hollow shell
But, yeah, that is indeed something you should address in your suggestion
proper grail
Collectors anxiety is a very personal reason
hollow shell
Do you
try to own every single weapon and all of their predecessors, Solstice?
Like even after upgrading, you make new version of the constituents?
rancid sable
also in regards to the building materials thing, i stated that because the traveling merchant ALSO sells certain building mats
verbal plank
professor oaks calamity run
hollow shell
Ryzen I am trying to tell you that you should include your reasoning in your suggestion's reasoning paragraph
Don't make it all be implications that the reader has to tie together on their own
You should explain your logic
proper grail
Umm, the simple answer is yes. I actually managed to own every item in Terraria 1.3 and I want to do it again
hollow shell
Damn I'm sorry for you lad, lmao
verbal plank
get one of every single weapon in the game, if item is used to make a weapon then you need to make multiple. at the end you should own every single weapon in chests in order
hollow shell
I would recommend getting a mod like imkSushi instead of asking here though
if you are a collector type who needs reliable obtaining of every chest item
proper grail
The only problem here is that a suggestion to make biome chests craftable won't work. Since there's a normal and trapped variation of each
And nobody likes chests
graceful hare
@proper grail Multiple worlds?
verbal plank
The only way I could see it working is if they were made to make a different weapon
proper grail
Yeah, since only one of each weapon spawns per world
proper grail
I think I have a decent list of reasons, I recognize that the last is the weakest
proper grail
Just the last one.
graceful hare
@proper grail Multiple worlds?
@graceful hare I'm stupid
verbal plank
just use a different mod, idk why calamity should have this other than it just being there just because
proper grail
Well, we'll see. That's up to the mods to decide
verbal plank
"ive done with the rainbow gun, bulk sell"
the only one that makes sense is wanting to use both knifes
proper grail
It's more like, "bulk sell my filled inventory oh frick I sold my biome weapon"
verbal plank
but even though why would you ever want to use both knifes
dim star
what about multiplayer
proper grail
Multiplayer point still exists
verbal plank
dont see why you would need this in multiplayer either
just make another world, or not use the weapon
dim star
i dont want to make another world just to get a weapon
proper grail
Let the mods decide.
dim star
yeah but what if i do want to use it
verbal plank
making them craftable takes away from having to get a key and deep dive into the dungeon to get them
then make another world????????
glass sentinel
in regards to the sea shell sugg i dont think bad rng is a reason for making something craftable
dim star
maybe you could just add more then one biome chest
proper grail
making them craftable takes away from having to get a key and deep dive into the dungeon to get them
I literally suggested using TWO keys in the recipe
dim star
per world
hollow shell
(I personally think it's an okay reason because obtaining the Sea Shell always sucks)
glass sentinel
are sea snails that rare?
hollow shell
In my experience it takes a decent amount of farming
Which is made more annoying by the existence of '???'
(and you can't make '???' stop spawning until post-Levi)
verbal plank
its one weapon pre chest pre world, as its supposed to be. by making them craftable not only does it take away theyre uniqueness, it makes the weapons less special. double key or not
glass sentinel
instead of making the accessory craftable as that doesnt fit with the nature theme of a shell, change the sugg so that its a 100% drops chance
ig
graceful hare
@hollow shell But you can't make absorber until post cultist
verbal plank
making the craft recipe require post plant shit doesnt help
hollow shell
But the Sea Shell itself is obtainable in PreHM
glass sentinel
mhm
hollow shell
It's not just a material
verbal plank
and the only real reason you have for it is already solved, multiple worlds
glass sentinel
its a decent preh accessory
proper grail
and the only real reason you have for it is already solved, multiple worlds
Calamity avoids that.
dim star
making two worlds takes away from the experience
glass sentinel
mhm
verbal plank
yes, for basic stuff
proper grail
It's also a pain in the butt to do
glass sentinel
ngl crafting a sea shell makes no sense
verbal plank
rod of discord, aglets, ect
glass sentinel
so imo change it so its 100% drop
verbal plank
not for super special biome weapons
proper grail
Rover?
graceful hare
@glass sentinel But then late game farming would be annoying
hollow shell
If you're farming in the Ocean biome for whatever reason you'd get like
2 or 3 Sea Shells max, even if it's a 100% drop rate
So yeah I think that would be fine
instead of 33.3%/50%
graceful hare
makes sense
glass sentinel
and you only need 1
plus the rng of the sea snails
@wary herald read above and change sugg accordingly
hollow shell
(if you want)
graceful hare
What about boss cues? (sound)
verbal plank
especially in big boss battles where its important to know whos it going for so the other can dodge and get in position to attack the boss
summer sentinel
It can work yes for the boss targeting, there has been talks about it before of somehow having a "scope" for a player, like the boss will target a player with some visible way to know how it's going to attack you
So it's very possible for it to occur to have proper MP aggro on a player without getting juked out, this has only been discussed though, no plans concurrently on it afaik
graceful hare
DS had a sound cue for it's lunge and that made the fight really atmospheric while serving as a gameplay element
@dim star I dont think this is the place to ask
verbal plank
Either a target on the player being targeted, or do it how Xenoblade does it where whoever has the aura is targetted, and depending on dps, the boss could aggro you instead
dim star
true
verbal plank
could also including accessories that increase aggro for a possible tank, could be a good mechanic for multiplayer imo
wary herald
make the sea shell drop chance 100 percent
i dont know why but the enemy doesnt spawn, even if i have chaos candles and a mini farm, and it will be a little bit easier to get the absorber
it is better like this ?
hardy dock
You can craft Temple keys pre plantera in Calamity
Ectoplasm is a more elegant solution
hollow shell
Yeah that would be fine JLN
river glen
hollow shell
Uh depends on the world
sturdy geyser
wait i had an idea
what if provi's drops floated so there was never any need for a deathbox
dapper coral
that would be kinda weird though
because a) treasure bag and b) biome-specific accessory drop would both have to be floating
along with whatever moneys and stuff
cobalt pewter
I stg, warding buff is nice and all, but no one ever bothered anyway since Menacing still gives dumb dmg boost
But imma wait until posting is a bit more populated
earnest cape
big brain
cobalt pewter
I know, but there's mine, literally the latest one
Imma wait until like
3 suggs after
cobalt pewter
serene fox
isn't solstice's suggestion a bit redundant since fargo's mutant already does exactly that
as demik pointed out
serene fox
even then
worthy lintel
and yes ik its not true at all but it looks more professionnal lol
serene fox
reason is a bit lackluster and the function already exists in a separate mod