cryo stone can be good but given the tier it's at, I almost always store it away to just use into hote
#suggestions-discussion
summer sentinel
crude geode
also talk about Cursed's suggs I guess
and help me get him to make them not take up like half a screen :ech:
no
fossil finch
Your recurrent "fucking HotE component nobody uses" sugg for analysis today
I don't use hote materials tbh
They are bad
Really bad
unreal viper
rare sans: am I a joke to you?
sand umbra
the only reason people actually use half the stones is because they're horny
any stone that doesn't summon tits is irrelevant
yes that includes Aero Stone
I think
fossil finch
By the time i get rare sandy i insta upgrade into HotE
sand umbra
do people still simp for Aero Stone or no
sand umbra
fuck
unreal viper
frog leg better
serene fox
it's just piss easy to get so like
cobalt pewter
And made into a single entity
sand umbra
Frog Leg is also piss easy to get, you get fishing gear out the ass from DS
fossil finch
Is it good
Dunno i don't even use frog leg i couldn't care less about mobility after having bob
cobalt pewter
That spawns the twins
serene fox
okay but fuck fishing
sand umbra
okay but fuck stone drop chances
cobalt pewter
Okay but arma
sand umbra
also both of us are wrong because if I remember rightly Green Jellyfish got moved to pre-Hardmode
which means you can actually get Vital Jelly long before either of these
serene fox
fossil finch
Change airstone to water stone even with pearl existing to accommodate to the bosses that drops it
sand umbra
...I just checked
statistically speaking, Vital Jelly is actually better than Aero Stone for movement
cobalt pewter
Bruh
serene fox
it goes uh
serene fox
frog leg>vital>aero I think?
fossil finch
Actually if ds expert acc didn't exist an aqua stone could have an use at that tier
unreal viper
Aero is kinda pointless with its current effect
And tier
Perhaps one or both could be changed.
sand umbra
anything you could give to Aero would be more suited for Aerospec
you know, the movement-based armor set that doesn't actually get much of anything movement-specialized
made with air metal found--
...ignore where it's found, actually
made with air metal which should be found in the air
unreal viper
Aero stone could be moved to aero tier
fossil finch
Why is aereospec a thing again?
sand umbra
probably to give Hive Mind and Perfs actual unlocks since they're too close to the vanilla evil bosses to unlock anything else within reason
welcome to Calamity, may I take your order
fossil finch
yes funny fabsol boss with 999999999 damage and infinite life thanks
sand umbra
we don't have Cirrus boss
crude geode
hi I made a suggestion about that factoid about aero being bad..
cobalt pewter
Fabsol boss (in real)
sand umbra
we have Cirrus NPC though
sand umbra
anyway I'm not gonna make another sugg at least for a little while since I wanna give my RE gun sugg the chance to actually get stars
don't do multiple suggs in quick succession by the by you're sabotaging yourself and everybody else
especially if they're large in terms of space taken
crude geode
I am currently in the process of working on a doc discussing bad accessories.
cobalt pewter
Doc 
unreal viper
I will
crude geode
But I am not going to be putting everything in said doc.
sand umbra
docs never get read
cobalt pewter
But I always keep my suggs at 3 in posting, not sure if it helps
sand umbra
it's a fact of sugg life
cobalt pewter
Now I'm thinking
crude geode
I will be putting "blah blah doc contains more deets but a lot of accs are crafting fodder, way too conditional, or just not useful for where they are."
cobalt pewter
What could possibly be good for stealth strikes of rogue weapons with low use time
Like
Or should stealth just be adjusted a bit to cater these generally spammy weapons? e.g. at a use time threshold, the lower the use time the higher the stealth damage will be or smth to that effect
summer sentinel
If cursed, thomas and IHS all fused into one, pretty sure they'd just own this channel but anyways, people like aero stone for jump speed since they don't have much else to use. iirc it gives some damage and that's about it
cobalt pewter
If cursed, thomas and IHS all fused into one, pretty sure they'd just own this channel
fossil finch
Branch rogue in spammy and stealthy weapons
Spammy don't have strikes, and you know, stealthy, well, you also know
summer sentinel
vital jelly effect would most likely be the most fair. frog leg is a bit too good depending on the case, balloons should be fine too actually
I do recall the aero stone being nice to use for KS and eow/boc but I think it had gotten the damage and jump speed nerfed so I just stopped using it
cobalt pewter
Stealth strikes are supposed to be global (especially since hybrids will be gone at 1.5)
serene fox
that prolly doesn't matter byeah
radiant meadow
(hybrids will not necessarily be gone in 1.5)
fossil finch
Mmmyes
I also like 3% more damage to my 15 damage wep
cobalt pewter
(hybrids will not necessarily be gone in 1.5)
What (what)
serene fox
wtf ben is shitty green???
radiant meadow
(doing stealth strikes is hard work and unmotivates me so it may not get done)
cobalt pewter
radiant meadow
and we planned to keep a small handful of hybrids
cobalt pewter
But most melee / rogue stuff are gon?
radiant meadow
they aren't gone, they're still here :)
summer sentinel
It's not shitty green 
quiet Brue
radiant meadow
maybe
cobalt pewter
Mmm
summer sentinel
ok this suggestion doc already worries me
serene fox
jesus christ
radiant meadow
There's been like 5 rework X accessory suggestions 
radiant meadow
like actually calm down
summer sentinel
why is aero stone on this doc
sand umbra
alright well if my RE gun sugg had any chance of being seen before it certainly doesn't now
crude geode
bc I'm combining a generous amount of the previous suggestions
and deleting the old ones.
summer sentinel
4 HoTE fodders...
cobalt pewter
alright well if my RE gun sugg had any chance of being seen before it certainly doesn't now
rip
serene fox
how is cryo stone not in this doc
summer sentinel
I don't think necklace of vexation needs a change really, it kind of makes sense why it's under 50% given you're the tank melee who is using it, maybe 60% hp may do better but doesn't need a rework
crude geode
20% damage buff when under 50% hp
sand umbra
Vexation is actually way better than I remember it
cobalt pewter
Also I already planned an Old Die sugg a while back
sand umbra
except...above 50% HP it's worse than the Avenger Emblem used to craft it
summer sentinel
@radiant meadow wasn't old duke's scales getting a rework sometime since it was subpar + it takes an accessory slot?
radiant meadow
kinda planned but no solid ideas
summer sentinel
how to make corrosive spine more interesting...perhaps it can give some form of rogue damage or projectile velocity. maybe some form of a jump speed boost might work, tho damage/crit/proj speed suffice
crude geode
@unreal viper could you please remove your two suggestions about HoTE stones? I condensed stuff into a document.
summer sentinel
shadowflame should give a minion slot, confused as to why it doesn't, might be an overlook
sand umbra
I should just write up a bunch of theoretical reworks
and then never post any of them as suggs 
radiant meadow
First Shadowflame is a really old accessory
radiant meadow
It also sorely needs a rework, like Gehenna
serene fox
can we put void sash in the doc
cobalt pewter
yes
marginally inferior to aegis for numerous reasons
Either way, Old Die
I was thinking about it "rolling" a random debuff effect when using rogue weapons
Instead of increasing the area of damage RNG
summer sentinel
I forgot about gehenna only recall it as material for VoE
cobalt pewter
everyone forgets Gehenna
summer sentinel
on that note: amalgam should get reworked too but that's for another time
crude geode
amalgam got a rework recently.
cobalt pewter
Amalgam needs a new minion to go with the acc
summer sentinel
It might need another one or a tier shift, because nobody picks it over the other cosmilite equip crafts
cobalt pewter
And with the rework, it doesn't help the acc much
CotBG might be the all time worst for its point atm (at least until 1.5)
imo
serene fox
cotbg is fine tbh
summer sentinel
post-DoG accessories are basically: ely traccers, asgardian aegis, maybe DSA since it's less glassy, and cotbg
crude geode
Personally, cosmilite tier is...kinda bloated
cobalt pewter
At least Amalgam still have a niche of water-oriented acc
serene fox
boring but it's good
summer sentinel
ely tracers and cotbg are practically given, asgardian aegis is subjective on whether you 1. want a dash even or 2. you use void sash
cobalt pewter
If you know how to dash with Aegis to negate Yharon's dashes, CotBG becomes useless and Bloodflare Core will dethrone it instead
summer sentinel
oh sponge is the 3rd one that's given, right I knew I was forgetting something
serene fox
aegis dash is dumb and stupid and inconsistent I swear
cobalt pewter
summer sentinel
elysian or asgardian?
serene fox
both but mainly the latter
cobalt pewter
Both are similar, just different in range no?
serene fox
since you use it against yharon
summer sentinel
what's "inconsistent" about it?
radiant meadow
when is bashing not inconsistent?
cobalt pewter
The inconsistency can be annoying yes, but I find that with the perfect timing of both you and Yharon dashing against each other, I almost never take any damage
Probably just me
crude geode
Don’t feel the same way. Yharon’s dashes make me upset and annoyed.
cobalt pewter
With the aegis dash in mind, CotBG becomes kinda bleh and Bloodflare Core becomes king because even if you failed the dash, you can mitigate the damage from the restored def and hp
crude geode
Has anyone actually used the stat stick buff key of those shields?
serene fox
yes
radiant meadow
it's pretty good for tank memes
cobalt pewter
But again, I haven't seriously done scal in a while
crude geode
It just feels clunky and like they really don’t need it
unreal viper
They don’t need it but it is good
cobalt pewter
Counterpoint: Flesh Totem works only on contact damage, whilst Bloodflare Core works regardless, making it a bit more flexible to use
radiant meadow
flesh totem is also an earlier accessory
unreal viper
Imo the movement speed tradeoff doesn’t feel significant since movement speed isn’t that helpful anyway
cobalt pewter
Yeah I was about to say about Flesh Totem being earlier
unreal viper
And it doesn’t really belong in the shields
crude geode
Yeah
sand umbra
this thing
serene fox
can't you use it against' calclone
cobalt pewter
The reason it's there in the first place is to "reward" the player for surviving brimmy
sand umbra
(all it does is halve Brimstone Flames damage)
serene fox
not like I have but
cobalt pewter
You can yes
sand umbra
The reason it's there in the first place is to "reward" the player for surviving brimmy
bruh
- it's not even a guaranteed drop outside of Expert
b) I thought that's what lore items are for
sturdy geyser
what makes it an award for surviving brimmy
hot zephyr
another Metal Gear reference? 
cobalt pewter
a) normal is irrelevant
2) idk brimmy's lore sucks
sturdy geyser
isn't everything she unlocks a reward for surviving her
hot zephyr
half the mod is a metal gear reference
cobalt pewter
Bruh
sand umbra
no more Metal Gear
radiant meadow
@wary herald Making a suggestion for the sake of a reference isn't allowed.
sturdy geyser
the entire mod is metal gear in terraria iirc
wary herald
@radiant meadow ooph i dint now XD
cobalt pewter
Read docs in pins
sturdy geyser
Calamity without the metal gear
_ _
radiant meadow
(delete your suggestion or people will keep pinging you about it)
summer sentinel
when is bashing not inconsistent?
I don't necessarily just ram intot he bosses though
sand umbra
(or just cyberbully the mod that's here into deleting it)
cobalt pewter
@summer sentinel
summer sentinel
what
sand umbra
oh okay it's gone
cobalt pewter
The last sugg
sand umbra
pog
summer sentinel
I deleted it before you pinged
crude geode
Why is abaddon even used in asgard's valor.
sand umbra
it's to justify Asgard's Valor's BFlames resist
unreal viper
Why does that exist
sand umbra
that is literally the only reason
unreal viper
On valor
cobalt pewter
Byeah, Abaddon is rough (again, not the mod)
sand umbra
imo Valor itself shouldn't exist but that's just my two cents on the matter
no, not the yo-yo, I mean Asgard's Valor
crude geode
Added Abaddon to the list of garbo accessories 
cobalt pewter
What's about valor actually
sand umbra
okay listen I have a vendetta against Ankh upgrades/buffs and for good reason
sand umbra
Ankh is already fucking absurd
you get immunty to legit a dozen extremely common debuffs
crude geode
~~yeah but one of them is silence and I hate silence thomas ~~
radiant meadow
tbf, Valor doesn't deserve to exist either with Cascade's existence
sand umbra
I mean you're not wrong but Valor being trash is a topic for another time
cobalt pewter
tbf, Valor doesn't deserve to exist either with Cascade's existence
Common issue with Dungeon loot
wary herald
hmmmm maybe getting a use for the encripted schematic?
sand umbra
the Dungeon Loot Experience™️
cobalt pewter
It'll get a use
crude geode
Soon™️
cobalt pewter
When 1.5 drops
sand umbra
everything you get is immediately outclassed or used in something that outclasses it
crude geode
Aqua Scepter Thomas
cobalt pewter
Aqua Scepter is
crude geode
cobalt pewter
Meme
crude geode
Aqua Scepter's existence is dumb.
sand umbra
Muramasa ---> Night's Edge
Blue Moon != Sunfury
Handgun ---> Phoenix Blaster
Aqua Scepter technically isn't outclassed directly...but nobody uses it
Magic Missile != Flamelash
Valor != Cascade
Cobalt Shield immediately goes into Obsidian Shield as Ankh prep
and then Shadow Key is the reason you even get half the outclassing stuff
hot zephyr
give Aqua Sceptor triple shot
crude geode
(Can we talk about how Silence is a stupid dumb debuff. It's literally a debuff specifically designed to fuck over Mage.)
sand umbra
(and Weak is literally a debuff specifically designed to fuck over Berserker)
(your point is...?)
(also Cursed as a debuff is even dumber don't even start)
hot zephyr
confusion is the worst debuff
crude geode
(Vanilla Design™️)
sand umbra
that's a good idea
hot zephyr
Stormtrooper debuff
sand umbra
ah yes. stormtrooper debuff
you have no fucking aim
hot zephyr
Makes your weapons super inaccurate and disables homing
crude geode
^
sand umbra
rise of the sentries
hot zephyr
sentries just fire straight
violet dagger
all you minions shoot projectiles
sand umbra
you can make them do other things
violet dagger
sand umbra
also not all minions shoot projectiles
violet dagger
you can make them just be a mine
violet dagger
and then you create a minefield with them
river glen
well
sand umbra
[[Blood Clot Staff]] and its counterpart be like
red stormBOT
sand umbra
Ancient Ice Chunk be like
crude geode
what counterpart, all I see is the same weapon
sand umbra
and oops all of your post-DoG summons are now gone
violet dagger
hippity hoppity homing is now my irl property
cobalt pewter
Homing should be erased from ranger
unreal viper
Homing should be erased
crude geode
@unreal viper Can you please delete your aero and cryo stone suggs? I included those two in the accessory rework doc and they're kinda redundant as a result.
radiant meadow
I mean, if he doesn't want to delete the suggestions, he doesn't have to.
crude geode
True. But as Thomas said, decreases the chances of any going through.
radiant meadow
I think he was just talking about his own sugg 
hot zephyr
The more exposure the better
Cryo and Aero stone are terrible (even though Aero is OK if you can't find vital jelly/fish)
cobalt pewter
I almost suggested something again
But I got reminded of my own sugg limit in posting
Basically this
Rework Old Die to be able to "roll" an array of player-inflicted debuffs on rogue hits.
crude geode
Make it stealth and sounds fine imo.
cobalt pewter
small game: find a rogue weapon with a stealth strike that inflicts 6 different debuffs
crude geode
Mythril Knife.
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Challenging the person who updated most of the stealth strikes isn’t the best idea
radiant meadow
Challenge the person who made them instead
cobalt pewter
good idea
crude geode
Indeed
hollow shell
oh
hot zephyr
The collective five brain cells of #suggestions-discussion started clacking together to rework mediocre Calamity accessories
summer sentinel
yeah Rover, had the same thing but just -300 from that
unreal viper
I’ve heard of the legendary rover accessory rework doc
cobalt pewter
The collective five brain cells of #suggestions-discussion started clacking together to rework mediocre Calamity accessories
4 actually, Cursed, IHS, Thomas and Ian
I’ve heard of the legendary rover accessory rework doc
This is just a myth rover made to reassure everyone
sturdy geyser
actually feedzuh, everyone else who speaks in suggestions adds up to one (1) extra brain cell
sturdy geyser
no its still five
cobalt pewter
smh
radiant meadow
I think you mean subtracts
cobalt pewter
sturdy geyser
i suck the knowledge from other people to gain more power
cobalt pewter
Aaaaaactually I have 1 slot in posting
So I might post the Old Die rework, or something else regarding stealth
hot zephyr
Do I really speak in #suggestions-discussion enough to warrant being a fifth of the brain cell?
proper grail
Lol
I would speak more here, but I'm barely online because of my home situation, let alone how busy I am when I'm online
hollow shell
It's all good
radiant meadow
Your presence is welcome but not mandated.
proper grail
Still, I'd say I'm a solid 1/100 of the collective brain cell. I make useful ideas that (so far) the community has always liked
No posts have failed to reach 200 stars and that's a matter of personal pride to me.
proper grail
Reposted it so it doesn't count. That one got buried far too fast, the repost got approved
hollow shell
That's true
river glen
what about make old die
hollow shell
So technically yeah
river glen
to make the negative roles like -10%/20%
so its a buff
and its not expanding it and making it more rng
if its supposed to be taht way
fine
hollow shell
It's uhh
It already is
river glen
ik
hollow shell
-25% to +30%
river glen
its already rng as fuck
hollow shell
yeah
river glen
so why not lessen it
hollow shell
tho Rogue weapons roll twice
river glen
to make it viable
rogue weapons rolling twice is so rng to
u can just get 2 bad roles
hot zephyr
Old Die will never be a must-have acc by nature, it'll always be a niche pick and IMO I think that's perfectly fine
(imagine a hardmode old die that had saving throws lol)
proper grail
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm really peeved by the fact that the Vortex Booster and Nebula Mantle are so much worse than the other fragment wings
hot zephyr
tbh all four of them suck pretty badly
Seraph Tracers just kinda... blows them all out of the water
hot zephyr
imo I think that Seraph Tracers should just be faster boots, remove the built in wings
clever raft
Cryo stone is rare? Huh. Got it on my first kill of it.
hot zephyr
After ML, regular wings are just kinda... irrelevant?
I've never actually used Drew's Wings outside of crafting
summer sentinel
seraph tracer modification with regards to vortex booster and nebula mantle seem a little fruitless to do
proper grail
I think the Foliate Booster (not correct I know) is actually decent
hot zephyr
Or alternatively, let us run wings and seraph at the same time but it disables the wing portion of the boots
summer sentinel
What I'd say would be tarragon wings become a bit better or both seraph/tarragon get balanced a little bit where say, it makes worth using tarragon more worth it than tracers
hot zephyr
Ah right, I think Silva Wings are ok
proper grail
I was just gonna say buff the VB and NM to be equal to the other wings
summer sentinel
the only time tarragon wings are the peak optimization are when you are doing a tank build and yeah, silva wings are godly ever since the draconic elixir nerf
hot zephyr
It'd be nice if the wings helped with the set bonuses
summer sentinel
at that point in the game with post darksun, you do not need ground speed, you just don't
ashen warren
honestly why doesnt calamity just add one more accessory slot dedicated to separate boots and wings
summer sentinel
that's what wingslot is for and 7 slots is plenty
proper grail
Inventory management is a key challenge in Terraria imo
ashen warren
I mean like rework the tracers to be boots only but have a wing slot to choose between different wings so we can have the speed of the tracers we want synergising with the wings you want
river glen
calamity > vanilla
dapper coral
Because accessory slots are hell to add
river glen
that iwll always be the case
dapper coral
Of any kind
foggy plover
every post ml pair of wings is well worth using besides elysian
proper grail
Calamity is the future of Terraria. Change my mind.
dapper coral
Wingslot is barely-functional at best
hot zephyr
tbh it'd be cooler if boots and dashes combined together instead of boots and wings
river glen
@dapper coral wingslot is actually one of the more busted
+1 acc
slot
is nice
and you have it fromt he start
ashen warren
(limited to wings only)
proper grail
tbh it'd be cooler if boots and dashes combined together instead of boots and wings
It'd make more sense, but SoC threw that out the window many versions ago
hot zephyr
it'd make a neat sidegrade; weaker wings for a dash
river glen
limited to wings only but u still have 7 accessories
u can deticate to
that arent wings
hot zephyr
I don't think Demik is talking about the power
ashen warren
boots are a necessity anyway so it wouldnt make a difference
hot zephyr
I think he's talking about the code
ashen warren
but it gives more flexibility to wing choice if that were to be implemented
hot zephyr
Boots aren't a necessity, no
pearl raft
hot zephyr
Boots are the most valuable in situations where you need ground speed
In a perfect world, movement speed would affect flight but nope 
cobalt pewter
I've never actually used Drew's Wings outside of crafting
Drew is actually good for scal compare to Celestial Tracers imo
summer sentinel
yeah if the ground speed ends up throwing you off
cobalt pewter
But in general hover in vanilla wings should be improved to be on par with Hadarian
That's what makes vortex and nebula wings particularly garb
Disregarding tracers
There's literally no benefit to using vanilla hover
dapper coral
I think he's talking about the code
correct
relogic added room for 7 accessory slots when they made the game, and adding more is insanely difficult and buggy
wingslot, while functional, is barely so, which is what i'm talking about, and that's why cal will never add an 8th slot
cobalt pewter
Also imo pillar wings should also be brought down to post Cultist, because not only Tracers, Celestial Starboard in 1.4 made them a lot more irrelevant
And bring down Hadarian so that it doesn't get outmatched by pillar and exodus wings
Old Die will never be a must-have acc by nature, it'll always be a niche pick and IMO I think that's perfectly fine
To be fair, this is the case with every accessories from Bandit aside from the 2 gloves, Venerated, or Dragon Scales
All of them are too niche
Actually now that I think about it
There's something better than Old Die to be changed
cobalt pewter
Another acc in mind is Momentum Capacitor, but I'll wait until Relic of Convergence sugg go through into voting
cobalt pewter
Forgot Ethereal Extorter, it is alr
hollow shell
Wait, wdym "Reworking the coin drop to be all the time"?
It spawns coins on contact, like Slick Cane
And... it doesn't work on statue enemies
I think you may have accidentally misinformed yourself
crude geode
Capacitor is fun tbh, it makes projectiles go zoom, and gives a damage buff
heady storm
another thing i've noticed is that the location of the health percentage and the boss name have been swapped, not sure why but a config should probably be made for that as well, since more customization is better, right?
This would have to be a seperate suggestion, unless you're willing to change your sugg to improving customization in general. @manic aspen
You had something Rover?
hollow shell
@manic aspen ...
manic aspen
......
swift fulcrum
......................
manic aspen
damnit
hollow shell
Did you miss this config
heady storm
So it's already a thing.
hollow shell
Sure is. It was implemented alongside the healthbar
before we even had a config
It was on a hotkey.
manic aspen
should i just make a new sugg revolving around the new config and improving the hpbar appearance
hollow shell
You could, but it might be a bit redundant: #suggestions-voting message
manic aspen
that should just be a config and not an actual change.
hollow shell
It's probably fine
hollow shell
Also if you're gonna complain about the spritework, there are more pressing issues than the lack of hueshifting, lol
like the fact that it's not in 2x2, or that it lacks outlines
manic aspen
what are pressing issues
hollow shell
As in, more significant
manic aspen
i don't know a lot about modding, but i don't think a small change to colors should be that difficult
hollow shell
Well like
sure but, you can't really hueshift something that isn't shaded, that doesn't make sense
And, it's not really meant to be an object, it's supposed to be a digital UI, so the lack of shading makes sense
hollow shell
. okay
manic aspen
and iirc the healthbars are unpixelated
which clashes heavily with the rest of the game
you could make a pixel art of it but still keep the overall design
frail mantle
final dawn projectile is pixels
manic aspen
it's still not really a great thing to have though
anything not pixelated doesn't go with terraria's style at all
glass sentinel
final dawn projectile is pixels
is it?
hollow shell
Final Dawn is pixels, yes
glass sentinel
well fuck my eyes
hollow shell
The argument that the health bar does not utilize pixels is totally valid
manic aspen
i think it would look brilliant if it did
i like the sleek design, it's a lot better than yabhb in my opinion
crude geode
Feels kinda redundant as a sugg considering there’s already a sugg in voting about the health bar.
hollow sierra
i think calamity is just gonna binge off of the 1.4 vanilla bar once that comes out
heady storm
Either that, or just don't do anything with it.
hollow sierra
it has to be this way
hollow shell
Standing here, I realize-
heady storm
All present suggestions fine though? Haven't asked this in a while.
hollow shell
Technically @hollow sierra, your suggestion is a future content sugg. It pertains to the upcoming Adren changes in #changelogs and not current in-game, so is therefore disallowed
tawny garden
Feedza pointed that out yesterday
heady storm
But didn't ping a suggestion moderator?
heady storm
summer sentinel
another healthbar suggestion/UI change huh. Interesting
frail mantle
something like a suggestions moderator was suggested a year or so ago iirc
though i believe it was denied cause only, like, three people at the time would be valid for it
tawny garden
There was something, yeah
ashen warren
I thought 1.4 is going to have those fancy looking healthbars
hollow sierra
@hollow shell I'm aware, my reasoning is in the sugg itself
And reading into the future content "dont", it pertains more to things that that are completely unannounced, the doc's example is a yharim fight which obviously you would need first hand experience to comment on and can't even comment on at all if you don't know exactly what the fight consists of, but this is just basic math regarding an already announced change
crude geode
There’s been cases before where people have tried to make suggestions about unreleased changes in changelogs, but it’s been vetoed.
cobalt pewter
Essentially my take on sugging based on only changelogs is that you haven't tested it directly yet
And who knows what would happen with the final product
hollow sierra
the mods and devs can take it down if they feel like, but i'm not looking forward to the few weeks where i have to no-hit SCal for 15 seconds instead of 10 seconds to get a net gain in adrenaline
serene fox
adrenaline will take a whole 67.5 seconds to fully load in scal's fight with the new changes
so not even
hollow sierra
What do you mean
serene fox
and I won't be entirely surprised if that mechanic got cut
cobalt pewter
I think fab said something about not checking scal with new adren yet
Idk if he already updated on it or smth
serene fox
What do you mean
you're not going to be no-hitting scal for 15 seconds. It'll take more than 30
hollow sierra
the charge time is being changed to a static 30
whereas right now with all adrenaline upgrades its 20
serene fox
y'know scal nerfs adrenaline right?
serene fox
did fab mention it anywhere or
cobalt pewter
Fab hadn't checked on it yet last time I asked
hollow sierra
Well, the longer the charging takes the more reason for the sugg, and still applies to yharon
serene fox
tbh I wouldn't mind if both variants were removed
cobalt pewter
I initially wanted to sugg to remove both
But the melee variant is usually more problematic than the fireball one in my experience
So I prioritized that one first
heady storm
"Melee variant."
So the one that takes damage?
serene fox
the one that doesn't shoot fireballs
heady storm
I think I know what you mean then.
cobalt pewter
The fireball is a bit less problematic because not only its fireball deals less damage than melee's contact, the fireball projectile is also usually more noticeable
summer sentinel
I don't think both need to get removed Brue, just the melee variant one as the sugg said can go, but the others stay because it's, fine in the fight I'd say
hollow sierra
Assuming scal just multiplies the charging by 2.25, all the numbers stay in proportion, getting hit currently would set you back 22,5 seconds of charging and post change would set you back 33,75 seconds, very significant nerf
serene fox
I just think that the detonating flames don't really contribute anything to the fight
dry latch
you seem to be ignoring the fact that adren will do more dmg now
serene fox
and you're better off just replacing them with a much more impactful and noticeable mechanic
dry latch
the longer waiting is a balancing thing. harder, but better rewards
hollow sierra
the longer charging time is already offsetting the extra damage @dry latch
cobalt pewter
Agree with ya brue
hollow sierra
this is specifically about draedon's heart being nerfed because of the changes
indirectly nerfed*
dry latch
and indirectly buffed cuz adren also has more dmg now
dry latch
it helps with adren -> adren has higher dmg now -> heart is more useful
crude geode
The suggestion is also something you save for the future, once the update is released and you can actually see the effects in game, and whether or not it actually makes sense.
hollow sierra
current standalone adrenaline: 20 second charging, +150% damage
current draedon's heart: lose 10 seconds of charging on hit
future standalone adrenaline: 30 second charging, +245% damage (you can see the baseline charging itself is offsetting the damage increase)
future draedon's heart: lose 15 seconds of charging on hit (need to no-hit for 50% longer to build adrenaline with heart equipped)
dry latch
50% longer for 75% dmg more
crude geode
...okay, but you have no experience of this in game.
hollow sierra
if you're not considering draedon's heart, yes
you have to wait 50% longer regardless, but you get punished 50% more for getting hit for no reason
dry latch
would you rather wait for 15 seconds or 30 seconds?
hollow sierra
i would rather wait 30 seconds and only have to wait an extra 10 seconds if i make a mistake instead of 15
dry latch
the fact that adren takes longer now is a buff to heart cuz it becomes more valuable
hollow sierra
Its really not
If you only look at it on the surface and say "half is half and now that half is more its better" but when you break it down into actual time its much worse
dry latch
says the person judging a nonexistent feature yet
crude geode
I don’t think the change really matters all that much. People still won’t use heart cuz it sucks when compared to cosmilite accessories.
hollow sierra
The feature exists, its right there in the changelogs
But okay
I'll save my "i told you so" for later and delete the sugg
crude geode
and I’ll save my “don’t make suggestions about future content period because it’s a don’t.” for later.
hollow sierra
the longer charge time and the heart nerf will unfortunately compound to the point that only elitist players will ever get adrenaline during boss fights 
robust lava
The idea of the "no future content suggestions" rule in this context is that ideally you would test the new changes in-game first before suggesting to change them
crude geode
^
hollow sierra
That is fair
The wording should probably be updated to specify that
Very vague currently
Because there's a very clear difference between "hey xeroc should have a big death ray" and "small adjustment to an upcoming locked-in change"
radiant meadow
at least the detonating flames weren't as bad as the mini bumblebirbs
summer sentinel
I've seen videos of that, it was, yeah, pain
cobalt pewter
Either way, Yharon's fight would be relatively fine without any of the Flames imo
coarse bloom
Yeah they are just not relevant in the fight at all
sleek turret
uhh, wulfrum furniture at all? eh, maybe its good.
regal jackal
yeah
in the end the only utility it has is for the armor or the equipment
maybe some torchs or lamps
idk
summer sentinel
I see, another furniture suggestion
robust lava
A lot of those lately. It's been half furniture suggestions, and half health bar suggestions
regal jackal
no of yours gona surpass my king slime farm petition
summer sentinel
the reasoning should be tweaked to mention why it's importance to add into the game, since mentioning that you have "300 wulfrum scraps" isn't the most descriptive or indicative, so try to add some more detail as to why it's a good reasonm to add it than just the abundance of a lot of on specific material
regal jackal
cobalt pewter
Still going strong with stealth rogue empowerment dw
regal jackal
the reasoning should be tweaked to mention why it's importance to add into the game, since mentioning that you have "300 wulfrum scraps" isn't the most descriptive or indicative, so try to add some more detail as to why it's a good reasonm to add it than just the abundance of a lot of on specific material
@summer sentinel i tell you here or i have to edit my petition?
cobalt pewter
Edit the sugg
summer sentinel
yes^ if you have questions you can just ask here though
regal jackal
tawny garden
That's behind the bluecheck cutoff point
hot zephyr
tawny garden
So boohoo
hot zephyr
Look at the date
summer sentinel
suggestion is good to go now. I see no issue in it and your point has been conveyed better @regal jackal
cobalt pewter
I still have a slot for suggesting, but idrk what
Maybe something for the stealth strikes of low use time rogue weaps
robust lava
Silly American date format.... it would be bluecheck
tawny garden
If you don't know what to suggest, don't
cobalt pewter
I definitely have some ideas in mind
sleek turret
hmm yes, don't.
tawny garden
Cause
Suggs for the sake of suggs
cobalt pewter
Byech
tawny garden
Are bad
sleek turret
plus I haven't got any ideas for suggs.
hot zephyr
philo, you talk like the polar express kid
hot zephyr
I don't know what you look like
tawny garden
my pfp is me from 2 and something years ago
hot zephyr
I'd say you look like you're violating the ToS
tawny garden
cobalt pewter
violet minnow
lets just make a large sugg about adding al the lore sets
like in a few days there will be another sugg about lore sets
cobalt pewter
I just done a true melee run
And I can assure you the only time true melee truly lost any pure choice is vs both of Yharon's phases
crystal iron
Oh then should I just reword to say that since their the main melee weapons they should have a right click true melee attack, not because true melee is limited but cuz it would make sense or smth idk
cobalt pewter
Not exactly making sense either
crystal iron
Ye idk I'm bad at wording what I have in mind properly
I don't mean it would make sense
But it's closest to what I have in mind
Also it sorta would ig, I mean they are swords so I feel like there should be an option to just use it without the projectile
cobalt pewter
They'd need to add a true melee right click to a weapon type with possibly the biggest bloat in the entire mod
Doubt it'd even be worth the time
crystal iron
Oh
I'm only asking for two weapon series to have that
The ark of ancients and biome bkade
Blade
That's maybe 10 swrods
Swords
crystal iron
That's 8 swords
dapper coral
if you're only asking for those weapons to have true melee, you should revise your title accordingly
cobalt pewter
Mhm
crystal iron
Ye
Ik
I wouldn't say the Sugg is better now, I need a little help with wording it
hot zephyr
tbh you could put true melee alt-fires on almost every melee weapon in the game
cobalt pewter
Idk ig?
It might be just a simple check if the useType is SwingThrow and it deals melee damage
And specific cases with existing right clicks can be ironed out
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I personally, don't think it's really needed, as much as I like true melee
hot zephyr
It'd help expand true melee into more of something that's actually useful instead of a dumb gimmick added to make people stop complaining about "mELEE morE LIKE SWORD MAGE"
pine star
hot zephyr
true melee hits now fill a charge bar, right clicking uses charge to fire projectiles
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
and then people realize that isn't fun and there's a reason why projectile melee exists
regal jackal
It'd help expand true melee into more of something that's actually useful instead of a dumb gimmick added to make people stop complaining about "mELEE morE LIKE SWORD MAGE"
@hot zephyr where's the lie tough?
sand umbra
true melee hits now fill a charge bar, right clicking uses charge to fire projectiles
and then people realize that isn't fun and there's a reason why projectile melee exists
so you have data to back up the idea that something infinitely more engaging than using a projectile spam "sword" and holding your cursor over the enemy while 5 miles away a.k.a. playing the same way you play any other class with none of the mechanics isn't fun
right?
cobalt pewter
🍿
sand umbra
because I feel-
I feel like that's an important thing to be in possession of when you make a claim as bold as this
fossil finch
How i am supposed to hit the 300 mph giant fuck using this sword blade without dying again?
sand umbra
you take a tanky build with you or have bosses that are actually friendly to melee as a concept
...oh wait
cobalt pewter
...or have bosses that are actually friendly to melee as a concept
Brimmy momentum
hot zephyr
sweet.. we just have to rework almost every boss in the game to make them more melee friendly
and even then, melee is still at a huge disadvantage
Projectile melee exists because regular melee does not work well in a 2d space
sand umbra
correction
projectile melee exists because regular melee does not work well in Terraria's context
and also because yes Red is a lazy bastard
but that's a given
hot zephyr
if Terraria had a third axis of movement melee would be a lot better
sand umbra
no it wouldn't
cobalt pewter
Honestly? Probably no
sand umbra
it'd be just as garbage as it currently is
hot zephyr
you'd have a lot better chance of dodging
sand umbra
again, no
because the fact of the matter is still that there is extremely little room for melee as a term in Terraria's core design, and this extends to a lot of its mods
cobalt pewter
We'd blame Red again for this, but I'd say it's unnecessary
Because I'd just blame everything bad on Red
But yeah
Red set a precedent of a horrible melee system
And most mods don't really dare to break past it and just follow
hot zephyr
if melee was reworked to be closer to true melee, people would pick mage/ranger over it 9/10 times
sand umbra
even if you give it a third axis of movement it's still a terribly underdeveloped system that gives you no proper method of getting up close without taking 500 damage
hot zephyr
This is why yoyos are peak melee
sand umbra
if melee was reworked to be closer to true melee, people would pick mage/ranger over it 9/10 times
I suppose I'll find out whether that's true or not sometime or other
hot zephyr
Nothing can beat them
cobalt pewter
Calamity is one of the mods where true melee is actually somewhat viable on many cases
hot zephyr
Think about it
pine star
That said, that's also because Ranger has Chloro Bullets
hot zephyr
Why would you even risk getting close when you could just pepper 99% of enemies from a distance with homing weapons
cobalt pewter
honestly I never seen any other browser mods that do that atm
hot zephyr
True Melee is "viable" because Calamity balloons True Melee's stats as a crutch
sturdy geyser
melee is partly hurt because all the classes are bad
cobalt pewter
but I know DD is coming and I'm working on something like that myself, so yech
sand umbra
yo-yos are truly the peak of melee weapons, yeah
they're so good they don't even need to be tied down by the concept of being melee
hot zephyr
I'd say the Murasama is what most/all true melee weapons should be like
cobalt pewter
Murasama is a bit over it, it's honestly too good atm
hot zephyr
Less range, but I like how the attack is shaped
hot zephyr
I mean... make more weapons like Murasama throughout progression but without the redonkulous range
cobalt pewter
M
dapper coral
hi hello
sand umbra
yes hello
cobalt pewter
Murasama is funne MGR reference sword, so I doubt they'd normalize its treatment to other swords
And heya demiq
dapper coral
are we discussing melee as a whole rn
cobalt pewter
Mayhaps
sturdy geyser
yes
dapper coral
because i don't think that's entirely directly related to the latest sugg
cobalt pewter
To be fair, it's somewhat correlating to the last sugg
sand umbra
m
so anyway as I was saying about Biome Blade doing actual stuff on true strikes
cobalt pewter
Okay
dapper coral
it's not as offtopic as normal but yes go back to fully ontopic
cobalt pewter
Let's go back to the actual focus of the sugg
m
so anyway as I was saying about Biome Blade doing actual stuff on true strikes
I didn't see anything that builds up to you trying to say smth about biome blade
🔫
But go on
sand umbra
no you totally did shhhhhh
hot zephyr
If CMT wasn't filled with things that should be in other channels, it'd be a lot easier to discuss off topic things
Thomas was playing 4d chess, it was eventually gonna tie back into Biome Blade
sand umbra
that and if I didn't have CMT muted lmao
hot zephyr
LMAO SAME
sand umbra
anyway it's always felt weird to me that the main focus of the Biome Blade line is the bolts they fire
just from a logical perspective, especially for a pre-Hardmode weapon (because it is pre-Hardmode now), shouldn't the sword be more of a focus?
cobalt pewter
Biome Blade was initially not phm
sand umbra
Arkhalis isn't a projectile sword what
cobalt pewter
Arkhalis is a unique case
hot zephyr
Biome Blade was originally prehm, changed to hm, and then back to pre-hm
cobalt pewter
Bruh
sand umbra
yeah it's been places
hot zephyr
Arkhalis is kinda 50/50
cobalt pewter
Anyway
Arkhalis is true melee if you'd count Murasama as true melee
Simple as that
sand umbra
like
it uses a projectile to display its swing animation
cobalt pewter
Both have projectiles that are relatively melee range
hot zephyr
Good point
IMO, all swords should have a true melee alt fire, just for variety's sake
cobalt pewter
Or 1.4 shortswords why did they change it in the first place aaa
hot zephyr
Or at least, every sword without an alt fire currently
sand umbra
anywho
Starfury and Enchanted Sword have fairly long cooldowns on their projectiles, and the sword still has some significance...sorta
pine star
Yeah
cobalt pewter
Both of those weapons have spotlight on their projectiles
hot zephyr
Who has ever used Starfury as a sword?
I thought people just liked it because it's budget holy arrow
sand umbra
that's because Enchanted Sword is dumb
(I never said the sword had more significance than the projectile, just not in a state of being. completely irrelevant)
sand umbra
anywho I feel like the significance of the sword and the projectile should be balanced
the projectile should be a somewhat longer-range option with less damage output (utility at best imo)
and the sword should be the better source of damage by a notable margin in exchange for being somewhat riskier
cobalt pewter
That should be the case yes
sand umbra
this is a problem that a lot of Calamity projectile swords have
their focus is entirely, or almost entirely, on their projectiles
cobalt pewter
But for some ungodly reason Red never dared to make overall dps of projectiles lower than swords
sand umbra
the blade itself should at least have some relevance
cobalt pewter
okay no more Red slandering aaaaa
But yeah, projectiles should be relatively the "backup" for when you can't really get close
And yes, Cal inherits the same issue with melee
sand umbra
making Biome Blade do things on true strikes based on the biome you're in would be neat
pine star
Yeah
cobalt pewter
I'd say you can take a look at Elemental Excalibur
pine star
Perhaps Biome Blade inflicts Plague in the Jungle on true melee hits?
sand umbra
no I mean
actual effects
cobalt pewter
To showcase the significance of projectile in melee
cobalt pewter
Elemental Excalibur has a lot of different things going on with different colored projectiles that cycle every swing
Yet its true melee hits...heal the player?
For seemingly a small amount as well compared to the behemoth of E a r t h
sand umbra
when I say actual effects I mean like
Jungle procs Venom and emits spores, Underworld procs Hellfire and does the funny fire blast, Tundra rains ice shards and inflicts Frostburn and/or Chilled, etc.
cobalt pewter
That could be interesting
pine star
That sounds cool
cobalt pewter
Jungle makes spore sac projectiles on true melee hits
sand umbra
yes. precisely those
pine star
sand umbra
bootleg Spore Sac projectiles that travel outward from the hit enemy
cobalt pewter
Hellfire is a 1.4 debuff yes? Unless there's a debuff with that name in cal
Which would be a hilarity
sand umbra
...I forget it's a toss-up as to whether or not talking about 1.4 content for this stuff is legal
sand umbra
yes I mean the Magma Stone debuff
cobalt pewter
Just go on
Hellfire doesn't even have a custom icon
Hilarity
Either way
Those kinda effects could be interesting yes
hot zephyr
There's a pretty big difference between
"x Calamity item should be preemptively changed as to fit in better with new content"
and
"Exo whip lol"
cobalt pewter
Exo whip
sand umbra
can't wait for exo whip in real
hot zephyr
spaghetti
sand umbra
anywho the point is that adding special effects to true strikes w/ Biome Blade based on biome would fit with the weapon's theme and still make the blade more actually impactful rather than it just being in practice a slow projectile weapon that changes with biome
cobalt pewter
Now Ark, since eventually Ark line would be merged with Biome Blade line
What even is Ark's theming, holy, stuff?
sand umbra
I guess the only other change I would make is to make the projectile not theoretically infinite range
...does it still have big chungus range, or am I dumb
pine star
Idk
sand umbra
then again given Calamity's track record with projectile swords being the name of the game I'd wager it does have theoretically-infinite range
god damnit
(not that vanilla is much better about it. thank you, Enchanted Sword, very cool)
cobalt pewter
pine star
gray nebula
TRUEEEEE
sleek turret
@ashen warren read the pins™©®
ashen warren
sorry. it sounds cool
radiant meadow
(delete the suggestion btw)
hot zephyr
what was the sugg lol?
hot zephyr
ashen warren
a Massive bio-mechanical suit of armageddon
copper turret
like, the item?
ashen warren
the. what
hot zephyr
tbh we just need to block off suggestions-posting and suggestions-discussion behind a role you'd get for reading through the Don'ts page
copper turret
the item that makes all bosses one-shot you?
summer sentinel
I don't think this needs a right melee true click optional truthfully
I just don't necessarily need the purpose for it since the weapon isn't meant for true melee, while it can do true melee damage, its focus isn't that and it has a projectile as well for basically all forms of biome blade
hot zephyr
It'd just allow you to use the same weapon for both melee and true melee
It's not game changing but more QoL
sturdy geyser
well just because it's current focus is on a projectile, doesn't mean it can't be changed
craggy stratus
maybe instead of only swinging the sword and deal damage, on hit effect can be added
like ark of the ancient can spawn more accurate star when hit an enemy with the sword body when right clicking
summer sentinel
true Lemon, I just don't see the need for a true melee right click because if it's applied to biome blade, think about the other blades it can be applied too. it's not necessarily needed but I suppose it can help so I'm actually neutral on it
hollow shell
@hollow sierra The future content Don't directly clarifies that it also includes #changelogs content
(the sugg's gone now so it doesn't matter much.
sorry for late response, I slept in ridiculously late 
)
carmine island
Get them Z's 👍
river glen
imagine if zenith gets its pierce removed
tawny garden
Boo future content
exotic stag
MASS disagree on this sugg. no is all i have to say..
dapper coral
that's not something that needs to be discussed here, latias
tawny garden
It's not
river glen
i know there are people who wants trfuffle worms to take no damage
tawny garden
Well yeah, but
river glen
so thats a rip
hollow shell
(It would be slightly screwy if it could stack because voodoo dolls are technically accessories)
tawny garden
That's prolly why it was denied
robust lava
Vanilla 1.4 has a vanity item that stacks, the Rock Golem Head
It could use a similar system to that, or to Dyes to prevent more than one accessory going into a slot
verbal plank
The lastest suggest is really good, I think the best way to put is somewhat how Summoners Association does it with a icon next to the defense icon that shows how many summons you can have in total and how many are out
Though I think it should be there without needing an item or anything, its just nice general info
hollow shell
A counterargument is within what you just mentioned
Summoner's Association is a mod that exists and displays your minion slots
sand umbra
yeah uh
why add something like that to Calamity when Summoner's Assocation is
right there and does everything mentioned but better
hot zephyr
Doesn't SA fuck with DPS?
hollow shell
There was some convo about that but I don't remember the conclusion
inland saddle
I’ve never noticed it doing that, obviously if you use the blood talisman it will but just regular summoner I don’t think so
summer sentinel
I think SA does mess with calamity a bit yes, I faintly recall something of unbalanced and bugs
inland saddle
I could be wrong lol
hollow shell
Yeah this makes sense
It could apply to some other Statigel items too, like the pickaxe, bow, and sword
(and arguably Gunk Shot & Phoenix Blaster, but that'd cause other crafting issues)
summer sentinel
yeah I agree with it, since it's just repetition as they said, I think if something just does purely only take hellstone, just have that thrown into statigel like, pickaxe + (# of purified gel here) -> gelpick
coarse bronze
p o g
hollow shell
@rare sapphire You need a reason for your suggestion
On a separate line (Shift+Enter)
in order for the bot to process it properly
Ah there you go
rare sapphire
yeah i was editing
whole sedge
(Couldn't this just be fixed by calming potions and peace candles plus is partially a problem on multiplayers fault because I think each player spawns its own mobs?)
jovial spire
By the time you're making a hellbridge for assumedly WoF, you can make zen potions
So i mean, problem solved right there
whole sedge
oh yeah zen potions are a thing also
crystal iron
I thought zen potions were post plant, did they move it down
hollow shell
Yeah they moved
sand umbra
my question is why Statigel stuff takes Hellstone in the first place
and doesn't take like
Demonite/Crimtane or Shadow Scales/Tissue Samples
or at least Blighted Gel
some thematically-appropriate stuff rather than just
funny hell metal go brrr
coarse bronze
ikr'
crystal iron
I think it could use ninja armor from the king slime cuz
- it drops from king slime and king slime is slimy
- statigel looks and somewhat behaves like a ninja armor (cuz double jump and the whole if u take damage thing)
- statigel armor requires a slime to be defeated to craft
real steppe
ninja armor makes more sense
and statigel is statis' armor according to lore iirc, and he is a legendary ninja
I think it would make the suggestion more convincing
"Make statigel armor require ninja armor instead of Hellstone"
crystal iron
Ye
crystal iron
If it did use ninja armor it would also have to include other armor sets for other classes
For example the necro armor for ranger
Jungle for mage
Bee for summoner
Molten for melee
For consistency
Ig
coarse bronze
yea