Nothing, that's exactly my point.
#suggestions-discussion
earnest raptor
hollow shell
Fuck it, no enemies
tawny garden
jovial spire
...So have there be 0 enemies and only bosses?
hollow shell
(I'm talking about enemies in general, not just Stormlion. What do you think gives an enemy purpose, Trashbox?)
civic pond
I never really felt stormlions added much
earnest raptor
Sorry, I misunderstood you, @hollow shell.
civic pond
materials? looks kinda like fodder to me 
jovial spire
I like them tbh
civic pond
actually that reminds me
hollow shell
Like yeah they're not the pinnacle of good enemy design but they do have some purpose
civic pond
they drop a summoner weapon right
hollow shell
Yeah
civic pond
ah in that case i'd leave them alone
~~i've got my eye on certain jungle enemies though 
~~
jovial spire
id be all for removing moss hornets
earnest raptor
The enemy that is worth existing should have distinct movement pattern from its neighborhood, be worth hunting.
summer sentinel
agreed celest
civic pond
Stormlions should be made more unique than normal antlions?
hollow shell
I mean, it's distinct from Antlion Chargers in that it does not charge at super speeds but it is more punishing to touch
You can make a sugg about them becoming more unique though
That would be fine
tawny garden
wait a sec Moss Hornets are a Calamity thing?
jovial spire
no
hollow shell
Yes 
tawny garden
ah ok good
jovial spire
and it is no me as well
earnest raptor
wait a sec Moss Hornets are a Calamity thing?
No, but it's definitely something that clam would add.
hollow shell
lol
tawny garden
#suggestions-discussion message this confused me 
hollow shell
Calamity could suppress the spawning of Moss Hornets but that'd prolly cause compatibility issues
and would tread into vanilla-modifying territory that some people already don't like about Cal
jovial spire
this is more of a lore than gameplay thing, but stormlion are also kinda neato with how they're the only thing left from when the entire desert was pretty much the sunken sea, at least the only thing that isnt dried out to all hell and is related to electricity.
hollow shell
I suppose the Sunken Sea has a more solid connection to electricity yeah
frail mantle
it'd mean i wouldn't have to be gangbanged by fifteen hundred hornets and a man eater whenever i try to find a Hive
earnest raptor
ngl i'd be fine with Calamity deleting the jungle entirely
FABSOL ANNOUNCES JUNGLE 2, NOW 100% LESS ANNOYING
hollow shell
new mod comin out
tawny garden
sleek hornet
wonder how tho
tawny garden
one would think that the Jungle would rather spontaneously combust
...conversation derail streak
unreal viper
glass sentinel
mhm
hot zephyr
stormlions after the suggestion 
unreal viper
pls yes
hollow sierra
DoTs dont need to scale because they get replaced, no?
on fire to hellfire to plague to holy fire to god slayer inferno
unreal viper
indeed
hot zephyr
@earnest raptor Stormjaw Staff
hot zephyr
Flat out removing enemies is kinda 
tbh
unreal viper
The ideal solution is giving unique effects to dots.
hot zephyr
I think DoTs are fine tbh
unreal viper
But giving them chunky big boi dps is a decent bandaid ig.
hollow sierra
"every weapon past a certain debuff defining boss in progression that applies a debuff should give that debuff, if not other debuffs that equate to atleast the same power as it are on that weapon",
gaunt quest
gray nebula
the stormlions could easily get trashed yes please but we can't kill these precious babies
sand umbra
there's also Storm Surge which could believably be made into a Stormlion craft or similarly-tiered item
gray nebula
they're just too cute
sand umbra
...or murdered. I don't think people actually care about Storm Surge
gray nebula
well aschtually I know people care because it got way too many resprite submissions
sand umbra
wait what
signal torrent
I can't remember but isn't there a stormlion pet in the mod or was that from the CalEX Vanities mod
sand umbra
personally I don't mind Stormlions existing, I'm just confused as to why they're necessary to fight DS
violet dagger
not counting people who didnt describe it like that
summer sentinel
well aschtually I know people care because it got way too many resprite submissions
how wholesome
hot zephyr
because they're cool
robust lava
@signal torrent There's a Stormlion summon
signal torrent
I know about the summon but I was wondering if there was a pet
robust lava
I can't find any Pet like that in Calamity or CalVal
tawny garden
@ YuH iirc
jovial spire
ive seen people use storm surge
proper grail
I click 6-7 times a second, Phoenix Blaster is my go-to WoF weapon besides Beenades.
proper grail
I mean in vanilla
worthy lintel
oh
proper grail
Archerfish is op
worthy lintel
proper grail
Anyways, I'm all for removing Stormlion mandible from the DS summon
But keep Stormlions
(random trivia, I prounced Antlion "an-til-eon" for like 2 years when I first started playing Terraria. I got corrected lol)
sand umbra
also unrelated to the Stormlion sugg but
DoT debuffs scaling with progression is a terrible idea, honestly
and the reason I say that is because it makes most debuffs completely irrelevant in favor of That One Debuff™️ that is better than all the others
unless you make all of them the same...at which point the only reason for having multiple is flavor
bonus points: this wouldn't even help on bosses, because Calamity bosses are immune to everything you can inflict as is dictated by a design philosophy I still don't understand
I really should ask at some point for more details on why Calamity bosses are immune to everything you can inflict
even if it's something that they have no business being immune to
(see also: Cryo and fire debuffs)
radiant meadow
Cryo isn't immune to shadowflame anymore if that's what you're referring to
sand umbra
is it not?
wait what
wiki still says Cryo is immune to Shadowflame
oh wait no
it's all debuffs except. I can read
summer sentinel
hardy dock
But back to Stormlions
I like them
Just tone down the debug and they’re great
And yeah cryo used to be immune to basically everything
hearty yew
@cobalt pewter While there is nothing wrong with your suggestion, not including new Bloodflare Core in CotBG was done for balance reasons and because I sort of did new Bloodflare Core on a time crunch. It also enables you to use both at the same time without losing any value, which is intended.
There is an unreleased buff to CotBG that makes it inherit Blood Pact's health potion boosting effect. It makes all healing potions 15% more effective.
This is a feel-good buff to hold over CotBG until it gets its actual rework (alongside blood pact). I have detailed notes on how this is going to work, and trust me, it will make CotBG worth it.
hearty yew
Yeah, since the item is made with blood pact, we wanted it to just, get some more power from that
This also means it synergizes rather severely with Rampart of Deities / Deific Amulet, since they have Charm of Myths in them.
Faster cooldown and more healing means health potions do a lot more work than you may expect
cobalt pewter
Increased healing and sickness cd might be a bit mmm
But regardless, the healing buff seems pretty nice regardless
Doubled regardless
But yeah, good stuff, I guess I have no choice but to leave my cotbg sugg there
So even the healing buff is just a temporary buff to hold CotBG relatively in place until its complete rework huh
Seems fair
hollow sierra
I'm not a fan of accessories not having the effects of their components, its even worse than them having nerfed stats compared to them
even just on core you see it has 8% dr and damage instead of the 10% its supposed to inherit from scarf
if including bloodflare core into core of the blood core would make it too strong as is, perhaps it needs to be moved up a tier so it is balanced?
hot zephyr
I think keeping them separate is nice; not all accessories need to combine into each other. If you want that, play Eternity
hollow sierra
Blood pact has a similar issue, it completely loses its identity when you craft it up into blood god and its not strong enough to keep by itself
i'm not saying all accessories need to combine into eachother, i'm saying the ones that do shouldn't lose their effects just because they did
maybe for the sake of preserving that, you could give flesh totem the 10% health boost and then also remove blood pact from blood god's components
since it makes no sense being there right now
i think its too specific to make a sugg about it but i wanted to rant regardless
everything would still work as is except flesh totem would get a buff, kinda needs it, blood god would get 10% damage instead of 8% as it deserves, and blood pact wouldn't erroneously be a component when its effects aren't represented in blood god whatsoever
ashen warren
want my thoughts on core of the blood god? I dislike how because of the existence of flesh totem, the mod itself had to spike up boss's contact damage exponentially to make up for the difficulty balance. Yharon does 700+ damage without CoTBG and you're pretty much forced to equip that accessory to not die in 2 hits. Why not just remove halving contact damage completely, give a little more raw stats buff and also rebalance bosses' contact damage.
hot zephyr
Make the blood moon lore item make clowns stop spawning because I hage them
summer sentinel
I think that blood moon LC lore item is just filler text as in it's just there to add something else like a little read/easter egg. giving it a purpose doesn't seem right because it's so niche anyways and you wouldn't know about it really unless 1. by accident ot 2. by wiki
limber ocean
it's a bit yikes that cotbg is basically mandatory if you don't want to be thanos snapped from existence by late game bosses
ashen warren
yeah it's so silly
limber ocean
bosses' contact damage is kiiiinda high
hot zephyr
Devils advocate, Lauren, a lot of the biome/event lore items were given abilities later; see the evil biome, ocean and underworld lore items
summer sentinel
yeah but those are obvious as you get them, less obscure than the blood moon LC lore item, it's not in your face and you only know of it for the 2 reasons I said tho
cobalt pewter
Why is Flesh Totem mandatory again
hot zephyr
tbh I don't even know how to obtain the blood moon lore item
cobalt pewter
chuckles in Asgardian Aegis
hollow sierra
It seems like the design philosophy behind especially death mode is that you're encouraged to try and nohit but you can use pretty much anything and still recover from the odd mistake
silk echo
why not have the item when equipped cause boss damage to change
summer sentinel
You kill LC during a blood moon event, that's how you get the lore item
hot zephyr
Yeah perhaps it could be dropped some other way in the future
Maybe it's just given to the player once they've completed their first blood moon with X amount of enemy kills
limber ocean
Why not just remove halving contact damage completely, give a little more raw stats buff and also rebalance bosses' contact damage.
kinda like this idea, but at the same time, I feel like it's preeeeetty unlikely than anything of the sort is implemented
it would probably mean a lot of tinkering with the contact damage of lategame bosses
and I doubt anyone would really feel like saying "hmm, should Yharon's contact damage go down by 100, 200 or 280?"
crude geode
Tbh mandatory accessories have always been a part of calamity. See also dashes and wings/boots.
Not saying it's a good thing (bc it's really not) but I'm just pointing it out.
hot zephyr
mandatory accessories have always been apart of Terraria*
go fight bosses without either: boots, balloons or wings
limber ocean
on the one hand, yes
crude geode
pigron mount
hot zephyr
Doesn't count
limber ocean
on the other hand, ideally you'd still get some choice in the matter
crude geode
lol
crude geode
Calamity basically forces you to use things like cotbg, wings/boots, and shields which is 3 total acc slots you're not able to experiment with without dying.
limber ocean
yeah
the 7 slots feel pretty limited at times
there's an argument to be made about tradeoffs there, I suppose
crude geode
after dog it's actually even more limited, since you'd be really dumb to not use your class accessory.
so it's basically 3 that you can actively experiment with shooting yourself in the foot.
ashen warren
I mean calamity has already integrated boots and wings into one slot, which is nice
crude geode
Debatable™️
limber ocean
it is nice, but it also extremely limits your wing options
ashen warren
maybe they could do the same thing for CoTBG with another "mandatory" accessory
limber ocean
unless you want to spend another slot on separate boots and wings
tracers really discourage experimenting with wings
crude geode
^
I think that's the most concise way to describe the issue. Some of Calamity's accessories really discourage experimenting with your accessories, unless you want to actively shoot yourself in the foot.
ashen warren
true
crude geode
At a certain point, it doesn't feel like an active choice you get to make, it's just "equip asgardian aegis or suffer with another accessory"
hot zephyr
Cryo lore 
ashen warren
getting nerfed
crude geode
^
ashen warren
maybe nerfed already
hot zephyr
How exactly?
dapper coral
dash will be yeeted, probably going on ornate shield instead iirc
cobalt pewter
What
hot zephyr
limber ocean
cobalt pewter
Demik elaborate what you said
summer sentinel
cryo lore is getting tier shifted, but not in ornate shield I think, but I just know it is getting shifted, that's it
cobalt pewter
🔫
hot zephyr
I didn't want to update to 1.5 anyways
cobalt pewter
Ohh
dapper coral
oh did that change?
idk, fab was talkin about it a while ago in gentalk and he said the dash was getting removed off of cryo lore
cobalt pewter
Wouldn't ornate shield and cryo lore be essentially the same tier?
hot zephyr
i've literally never used ornate shield so 🤷♂️
cobalt pewter
Since both need cryo kil
dapper coral
yes but one requires an accessory slot
crude geode
^
dapper coral
which is the big deal iirc
hot zephyr
crude geode
Cryo lore deserved it.
dapper coral
just search mentions of ornate shield in the server, you'll see fab talking about it
hot zephyr
A lore item that's actually worth a damn and now it's gone 
Turned into another shitty shield acc
crude geode
lore item effects are hopefully going to be yeeted anyways
limber ocean
tbh, I think at some point Calamity just starts to suffer from using Terraria's engine as a base
cobalt pewter
New game™
crude geode
^
limber ocean
features that would probably just be unlocks if it were a separate game have to come in the form of accessories
and the 7 slots feel more like... 3 actual slots
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
features that would probably just be unlocks if it were a separate game have to come in the form of accessories
Wouldn't consumables essentially act as unlocks?
limber ocean
between class accessory, mobility accessory, dash accessory and tank accessory of your choice to not instadie to a stiff breeze
cobalt pewter
Like adren or rage upgrades
limber ocean
they could, but they aren't
not saying that those aren't meaningful, because they obviously are
but like
you don't just unlock a dash
dapper coral
this sounds like not sugg talk
hot zephyr
Suggs today have been pretty weak ngl
clever raft
What do you think about the top of the Astral biome's Altar not actually being part of the Astral biome?
limber ocean
should go to bed, have class in 6 hours
no idea, haven't played in a world with the altar yet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cobalt pewter
Suggs today have been pretty weak ngl
Funniest thing is that the stormlion sugg discussion somehow got brought to Thorium server
hot zephyr
There's not much substantial to talk about in terms of sugg posting
crude geode
...has anyone seriously used statis' ninja belt.
hot zephyr
I don't even understand the Stormlion suggestion
It's a fuckin underground desert enemy you fight a handful of times and ignore
It reeks of "I died to a Stormlion, fab pls remove" :boohoo:
clever raft
"The drops it has could be moved to something else. therefore, it already has no drops and so is useless."
hot zephyr
There's a thousand "pointless" enemies in Calamity that won't be going anywhere
crude geode
It's a fuckin enemy you fight a handful of times and ignore
FTFY
hot zephyr
Any mob's drop could be moved to make it useless
cobalt pewter
The only "filler" enemies I see that are really important are ore based ones ig
hot zephyr
Like... look at the bohldors or whatever in the temple
Those don't even have a weapon attached to them, unlike the stormlion
Stormlions add flavor to the underground desert
limber ocean
those exist to make the temple blocks renewable, right?
crude geode
p sure yeah
hot zephyr
I mean yeah, but you're better off just generating a new world
hot zephyr
I'm saying they're such terrible methods of farming temple bricks that it makes them near irrelevant
cobalt pewter
I think I suggested something about replacing Lihzahrd Bricks on Death Whistle recipe with Essences of Chaos, or is it Solar Tab Fragments?
But essentially something to pull rav even further from the Lihzahrd connections
hot zephyr
At least with the Calamity ore mobs you could say "Some worlds are missing the ores" but no map is missing a temple
Nor has literally anyone ran out of temple bricks for a rav summon
I've killed hundreds of the lil bastards (ravagers) and still had enough bricks to build a yharon arena multiple times over
crude geode
allows you to fight rav before golem
limber ocean
if I were ever running out of bricks I'd just pull out the cheatsheet tbh
crude geode
that's the point
limber ocean
allows you to fight rav before golem
whomst the heck does this
hot zephyr
Then replace the bricks with literally anything else
cobalt pewter
Essence of Chaos!
hot zephyr
Which leads exactly to my point; useless filler enemies are all over the mod
cobalt pewter
To be consistent with the other 2 "bloodstone" bosses
Which are brimmy and calclone
hot zephyr
I wonder what the suggestor thinks of most of the mobs that literally have no drops outside of cash 
"Remove like 90% of the abyss enemies!"
Not everything needs a point
crude geode
yeah for sure
cobalt pewter
Usually things can be done for the atmosphere
crude geode
sometimes it just adds to flavor and atmosphere
limber ocean
future suggestion: remove chaos elementals
these mobs are annoying as shit and only serve to drop the RoD, which calamity makes craftable. therefore, there is no point to their existing anymore
how's that sound?
hot zephyr
Sounds good to me I'd star it
crude geode
chaos elementals make no sense as well in lore like. what are they.
hot zephyr
We've actually replaced every boss fight with a crafting window; removing the drops and prog points from bosses made them useless so we cut them
river glen
hmm, what about just a general buff to a weapon that is so outclassed by everything at thta tier, flying knife
why not buff this poor soul
hot zephyr
You could make an entire doc of vanilla weapons that stand to be buffed
cobalt pewter
Pretty sure the devs also planned to rebalance vanilla in 1.5?
limber ocean
weapon buff suggs usually call for boss kill timers compared to other stuff at that tier, IIRC
hot zephyr
Literally 95% of vanilla weapons suck in Calamity because funny balance choices
crude geode
"flying knife"
melee
hot zephyr
convert it to summoner
river glen
vanilla sucks in calam
hot zephyr
blade staff
limber ocean
hey, ark of the cosmos is melee, apparently
cobalt pewter
Make Flying Knife rogue
river glen
because the average dps cap is higher than in vanilla
cobalt pewter
limber ocean
even though you're shitting more stars than a mage ever could
river glen
so something that is op in vanilla isnt generally op in calam
crude geode
ark of the cosmos' insta projectiles on cursor can hopefully be removed.
hot zephyr
ya but it comes from a pointy stick baluar, it's melee
cobalt pewter
AotC is just a massive offension of what melee should be
hot zephyr
People ask for the removal/change of most beam sword's functions fail to realize 95% of the community isn't interested in True Melee
crude geode
^
bc you're gonna get hit by 90% of bosses then.
bc the mod is in no way balanced around being close to bosses.
limber ocean
making all melee true melee would necessitate such a huge overhaul that I can't even make a joke about it
cobalt pewter
It takes a bit more effort to make true melee viable (revamping hostile projectiles, boss AIs, adding new side mechanics), but I can see its potential
hot zephyr
bUt iTs nOT rEAL mElEE. True melee in vanilla was designed around normal mode bosses/enemies and flat out doesn't work in Calamity without ridiculous stat bonuses and questionable balancing
cobalt pewter
Maybe just me
limber ocean
so yeah, AotC might be terrible, but it's a necessary evil
or at least, the idea
maybe it could get toned down a bit
hot zephyr
The closest you're going to a melee rework is to make things function more like the Murasama
That's a true melee weapon that actually fits in
crude geode
There's already been a suggestion made by sugg god himself about it Baluar.
hot zephyr
Thomas?
crude geode
Rover
hot zephyr
Ah
serene fox
and it got barely any votes
limber ocean
mhm
crude geode
hm wonder why
limber ocean
not even 100
hot zephyr
If Melee is ever seriously changed, it'll have to be a middle ground between current true melee and proj spam melee
hot zephyr
People whine about how melee is just Mage 2 but will ignore that bows and guns in the endgame only differ in the fact that bows can get Archery potion's effect and guns can't
river glen
sooo just a question
hot zephyr
Yes?
limber ocean
for the most part, it seems that that is the intent behind a lot of the mod's balance
hot zephyr
Who knows if they're "supposed to" but they are at the moment
river glen
a lot of mimics loot is underpowered
limber ocean
calamity balances around its own content and its own difficulty
crude geode
^
river glen
but yeah
limber ocean
a lot of stuff from the base game or other mods is left in the dust
hot zephyr
God I wish Calamity weapons/boss health got nerfs across the board to make Vanilla more viable
crude geode
^
hot zephyr
I'll just beat scal with Last Prism
river glen
lmao
summer sentinel
That exists, it's called Auric Man RGB ray
cobalt pewter
God I wish Calamity weapons/boss health got nerfs across the board to make Vanilla more viable
Never happening
river glen
around
hot zephyr
I feel like a lot of Calamity balance is because the mod has kinda snowballed away from Expert mode
river glen
yee
hot zephyr
Never happening but it'd be amazing
limber ocean
oh, yes
cobalt pewter
Actually Zenith will scale with progression, starting from post polter all the way to endgame
river glen
modes
limber ocean
expert is easy in calamity
cobalt pewter
crude geode
what's a normal mode
limber ocean
there's only a handful of rev+ items
hot zephyr
Rev feels mandatory to make the bosses stand a chance from OP calamity weapons and it's kinda how if you want something slightly balanced you're shoehorned into a new difficulty mode
limber ocean
so at expert, you're basically at full power, whereas the bosses are noticeably less powerful
hot zephyr
Normal and Expert modes are both cakewalks
river glen
tanking is ez
hot zephyr
So much so that if Normal and Expert were flat out removed from the game and all new worlds started out in Revengeance; I honestly think few people would know/care
But that's just my 2c
limber ocean
kinda agree
I had back to back expert and rev playthroughs
the increased difficulty only really became obvious around... golem, I think
hot zephyr
Revengeance isn't a "harder then regular" mode, it's called "you either play this as a fix to Clam's questionable damage boost or you have to play baby mode"
limber ocean
but that's because vanilla golem is such a pushover that I wasn't expecting to get my ass kicked once or twice before I nailed the patterns
hot zephyr
But we're veering off topic
crude geode
what topic.
hot zephyr
ouo? real shit?
crude geode
there's a real topic here?
limber ocean
the topic is "I go to sleep because statistics is gonna kick my ass tomorrow if I stay up any longer"
hot zephyr
tbh though most of the suggs today were really bad other than like... the astral monolith change which seems like a bug fix
limber ocean
g'night, everyone
hot zephyr
See ya
limber ocean
or whatever's appropriate, cause, y'know, timezones and shit
summer sentinel
Removing an entire calamity enemy is a bit 
unrealistic but that might just be me
crude geode
I feel the same tbh.
hot zephyr
I can't believe that sugg spilled into the Thorium server
Instead of changing the mob to make it fit in better... flat out remove it?
crude geode
also unsure if @earnest raptor ever responded to anything about his suggestion
hot zephyr
When there's way more pointless mobs out there?
crude geode
Rework, don't remove is pretty much the core concept of suggestions.
summer sentinel
Rover had mentioned a potential rework idea for stormlions here, so removing them would just be a bit, unneeded
hot zephyr
De-bloating of the Calamity mod is actually a noble goal, as much as I hate removing boss lore buffs it's probably for the best, but I don't think Stormlions are it, chief.
crude geode
Can you exclaim it Lauren?
as well as the DoT debuff one.
since people have brought up valid criticisms to it.
clever raft
tbh though most of the suggs today were really bad other than like... the astral monolith change which seems like a bug fix
@hot zephyr Should I post it there instead/as well?
hot zephyr
It's by design that you abandon old debuffs to move to new ones; it's so you can have resistance/immunity accessories without giving resistance to things on future tiers
No, I think it's fine as is @clever raft
It'll reach 200 stars quite easily
dapper coral
well, i suppose the point is that a bug sugg should go in bugs exclusively
hot zephyr
It doesn't seem like a traditional bug but more of an oversight
dapper coral
what you could do is go see if it's a bug in #bugs-read-pins , if it's not then you can keep it up here
hot zephyr
Monolith seems more like a structure than a tree though
foggy plover
monolith is the wood of the astral biome
dapper coral
astral monolith isn't considered a traditional wood though
hot zephyr
You've got a point but it isn't a traditional wood
dapper coral
seeing as it's not usable in Any Wood recipes
so that definitely leaves a bit of precedent for this to change too
foggy plover
that might be an oversight, not sure
dapper coral
it could be, ye
crude geode
I'm gonna drop this here in regards to the DoT suggestion https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/768774008128536586
hot zephyr
All I know is that I've never thought of using Astral Monolith blocks to craft torches
dapper coral
oh wait did you mean the Any Wood thing being an oversight?
yeah that's intentional
it's come up here before, and it's not changing iirc
foggy plover
wack
hot zephyr
wack
foggy plover
probably more fitting as a sugg then
hot zephyr
calamity wood is weird
acidwood is a material but not a block
astral wood is a block but not a material
foggy plover
acidwood needs sprites lol
dapper coral
^
hot zephyr
has there been any submissions?
dapper coral
many suggs have been made about acidwood furnitures and such
hot zephyr
~~I just want Draedon tables 
~~
summer sentinel
You can suggest aged tables sure
clever raft
Astral wood's a material
cobalt pewter
Also the tp network on arsenal being rejected is big rip
dapper coral
astral monolith is a material, just not for the regular wood stuff
hot zephyr
I'll wait until after 1.5 to suggest more things about Draedon's furniure
Or other misc draedon suggs
No need to waste sugg space in a competitive market with things that might be coming soon already
earnest raptor
DoT suggestion is essentially troll one, sorry for that.
summer sentinel
I mean the suggestion itself is still valid, the context of that picture is...a bit brash, buit the suggestion still stands because it's not in any violation of the dont's doc for suggs, nor was it written like in a trolly matter. while it looks like it was trolly, it didn't turn out to be so
ashen warren
yeah
desert nimbus
Editted
ashen warren
"just to screw the player more"
clever raft
I think the title has to be bold, no?
glass sentinel
nope
clever raft
huh
summer sentinel
@desert nimbus This suggestion needs to have more evidence and explanation to it, your description basically tells nor explains anything about your point. also I'm wondering why you'd want to make critters more dangerous like that because it seems unnecessary and a tad annoying when encountered
glass sentinel
i recall there was once a midnight sun beacon sugg
did it go through
bc i wanted to write one
hollow shell
Also you don't need the specific scorpion example right in the top line
The sugg could be to make critters more dangerous, and you can have the scorpion thing in the body as an example
What was the sugg about Lorax
hollow shell
If you can provide the tester-needed values then, sure
hollow shell
Average DPS sure, but more importantly Yharon kill time(s)
hollow shell
👍
glass sentinel
uh so NO buffs and this setup i got ~2:50 yharon kill time
the bullets phase of the midnight sun UFOs was getting around 80k dps, while lasers 30-40k
imma going to dinner now so i wont be replying for a bit
glass sentinel
so i think a base dmg increase, but a firerate nerf to the bullets
hollow shell
I see
glass sentinel
this is the sugg i was talking of
hollow shell
Aight, you can make a suggestion with that info
glass sentinel
oki thanks rover
glass sentinel
yah?
hollow shell
Try other weapon options around that tier
and see if they're faster or slower than 2:50
hollow shell
Yeah
glass sentinel
well the problem is that i used no buffs are i can only summon 2 yharon sons
hollow shell
Ah
glass sentinel
imma try it anyway
oki way im just at 50% p2 and i hit 2:50
i remember during some of my nohit dps testing, midnight sun's rapid bullet fire could reach up to 300k dps, but that was before glass cannon nerf and with buffs
but my point is even then it was busted
hollow shell
mm
Yeah you can post with this given info prolly
Would spur the testers into taking a look
hollow sierra
is triactis around?
glass sentinel
im tired and have to revise for an exam
so if someone does reword them ping me
ig
is triactis around?
dunno
hollow sierra
i wanna do a sugg about letting the soma use other bullets but need his input
dono items and all that
cobalt pewter
You can ask rover to forward the sugg to the dedicatee after you made the sugg?
glass sentinel
soma just turns them into high velocity
hollow sierra
exactly
glass sentinel
write the sugg first
cobalt pewter
Oh wait rover died
hollow sierra
Should i ping rover?
glass sentinel
uh sure?
earnest cape
I think for balancing issues maybe halving other bullets damage when using soma prime needs to happen
if they do special effects that benefit you in battles
cause imagine using party bullets with soma prime :D
hollow sierra
there was a discussion a few days ago how bullet damage should be removed and i agree with that
sleek hornet
but i do think Svantechnical shot more bullets per sec compared to Soma?
earnest cape
soma prime is more consistent
hollow sierra
or atleast, there shouldn't be like a 30 damage difference between half the bullets and bloodfire bullets
really limits choice
cobalt pewter
ammo damage should die
manic aspen
is there a config to hide exact HP values from health bars
sleek hornet
ask it at #help-advice-read-pins not here
manic aspen
but that's help and advice
sleek hornet
and you asking about Calamity Mod right?
cobalt pewter
Still #help-advice-read-pins
But iirc no way to hide the exact hp value on the bar
manic aspen
this should be an option since it clashes with the rest of the bars style
cobalt pewter
You can suggest to make the fontface of the bar consistent
It's also the case with NPC names
In the bar
ashen jay
Necroplasmic Beacon should cost much lesser to create
earnest cape
No since you can summon polterghast and get 100 phantoplasm back easily after fighting him a few times
ashen jay
._.
earnest cape
just put on zerg in the dungeon and recall when polter spawns
ashen jay
/
sleek hornet
exactly like most people do
quasi flume
Prevent SCal from doing curved hellblast shots while she's snapping to you
Oh my god yes please
just give her some time delay before she can shoot again
after bullet hell phases
tranquil perch
Prevent SCal from doing curved hellblast shots while she's snapping to you
yes
hardy dock
@hollow sierra well that’s a bit of an issue because the Soma Prime is a dedicated weapon, so you’ll need the permission from them to make such a drastic change to the weapon
earnest cape
That's tru
ashen jay
Necroplasmic Beacon should cost much lesser to create
@ashen jay I didn't know it was not consumable 😛
earnest cape
should've checked earlier
real steppe
definately agree in the astral monolith one
hexed ore
hollow sierra
@hardy dock I know, waiting for rover to un-snooze to poke the donor for me
hardy dock
Is the dev still working on the mod?
tawny garden
no
hardy dock
ok welp that changes things
hollow sierra
So what do we do about that
tawny garden
you can sugg the change without approval then
hot zephyr
Let us slap Forma on the soma prime
tawny garden
if discord lets you send the sugg
sturdy geyser
very strong
serene fox
what
foggy plover
one of the most op weapons on its tier???
pine star
Don't test it on a dummy either
Look at kill times on ML for Terratomere vs something like Solar Eruption or Entrophic Claymore
foggy plover
what weapons on tier are you comparing it to because I know its good as hell
rose jewel
Could probably break up the paragraph it’s pretty big
pine star
Also Terratomere is homing
rose jewel
And the stellar contempt doing 10k on a target dummy is extremely unreliable on a boss
radiant meadow
Terratomere kind of eats moon lord as an afternoon snack
serene fox
the microwave does the job better
radiant meadow
but terratomere has funny homing and doesn't have any drop rng
pine star
but terratomere requires more effort to make
leaden elbow
yeah it does eat moon lord
but after that you just drop the weapon sadly
since its actually so bad after moon lord that its as useless as a copper broadsword
radiant meadow
post moon lord is kind of just a big power spike
leaden elbow
yeah
one thing I didn't think of during the suggestion was omega terratomere maybe?
kind of like the biome blade
radiant meadow
but buffing terratomere just isn't going to happen I'd think
leaden elbow
I think terratomere is kinda fine, I just think it should have a post moonlord variant
pine star
It does
leaden elbow
in between exoblade
pine star
Oh
leaden elbow
what is it?
pine star
I was going to say exoblade
robust lava
It sounds like the issue at hand isn't anything to do with the weapon itself - it's to do with the sudden power jump as Ben said
leaden elbow
I mean you make terratomere for moonlord and then drop it until you get to the last 2-3 bosses
yeah, and my suggestion would be an omega variant of the terratomere
just like the biome blade and its omega version
you craft it with luminite bars, galactica singularity and all that and make a slightly better terratomere to the point where you can use it against minibosses at least I guess
robust lava
Then you'll want to change your suggestion to this sort of idea, but don't get too specific (ie. recipe, name etc.)
robust lava
Yes, because it hasn't been sent to voting yet
leaden elbow
alright brb
exotic stag
Mm i do like the idea of adding perhaps an upgrade to it. but dont be like. "oh i want it to be called (name) and use (item)"
If i were to give my opinion on it. i'd say maybe post PBG
robust lava
Isn't Terratomere already post PBG?
radiant meadow
it's post astrum deus
robust lava
Yeah
exotic stag
i forget my boss orders.
robust lava
It's post-Deus AKA immediately pre-ML
exotic stag
i meant the upgrade.
robust lava
Yes, so the upgrade would have to be post-ML at least
robust lava
She is
exotic stag
yeah i forget all my boss orders is the thing.
leaden elbow
terratomere is acquired right after astrum deus and useless after moonlord so theres literally no bosses in that gap, hence the suggestion
robust lava
Capataina, you will want to read the "Dont's" doc in the pins that explains not to go into too many specifics about item suggestions like not to include recipe ingredients
exotic stag
mhm
violet minnow
Another "Just Cause" suggustion
leaden elbow
I'll take the recipes out lol
exotic stag
just like an idea of say when the item COULD be upgraded into
violet minnow
god to people even read the pins
ancient crow
no
leaden elbow
I try reading the pins but most of the time my english isn't good enough to understand them
robust lava
Also, your suggestion feels like it changes its message halfway through. The first part is asking for a buff to Terratomere, and the second part is asking for an upgrade to it - those are two different things
leaden elbow
dude am I writing a persuasive essay here or just a suggestion lol
robust lava
Kinda both
leaden elbow
I could write a 500 word essay made of 4 paragraphs with a thesis statement, an opening and a conclusion if you want
exotic stag
Basically keep your suggestion on the main topic. either you want an upgrade or a buff
leaden elbow
based on how terratomere should have an upgraded version
so that you don't skip it in 10 mins
exotic stag
Imo i think the upgrade works more.
sturdy geyser
terratoma does upgrade into exoblade iirc
exotic stag
@leaden elbow Edit your sugg so its not on the top "buffing" and the bottom "upgrade"
robust lava
We've discussed the Exoblade upgrade, but Capataina wants an intermediary upgrade before that
exotic stag
Yeah.
leaden elbow
good now?
people call exoblade an upgrade to terratomere but I feel like they are so different that terratomere is just a basic recipe for it, rather than an upgraded version
the projectiles don't even home in...
well the main projectile doesn't anyway
exotic stag
Sugg seems fine. mayonn can handle it from here. i have class rn
robust lava
I also have stuff to do . Other people will most likely comment on it with some suggestions of their own
exotic stag
mm
leaden elbow
the exclamation makes me worried lol
robust lava
People probably will ask you to trim it down a bit, and perhaps make the message clearer, but sorry I'm not gonna be able to help with that atm
exotic stag
^^^
zenith hazel
the first line is already concerning considering terratomere is probably the best melee wep for ML rn
and of course it's not gonna get much use post-ML due to other weps being better than it, that applies to practically every wep
and I really don't see how the point of it being so-called "weaker" than other weps at that tier warrants an upgrade
exotic stag
And also modes can come into play like death and rev.
zenith hazel
terratomere already has a big af crafting tree anyway
no need to make it more complex just to make it more painful to make exoblade
summer sentinel
Astral blade works if you can true melee hit ML otherwise yeah brav, terratomere is the best melee up until and used on ML
terratomere is even fine on using it for profaned guardians and folly too to add, it doesn't need any buff imo
river glen
terra is fine
its outclassed on prfaned
and folly
tho
its a good weapon to say the leats
summer sentinel
I'd doubt that on profaned guardians because it was good on them, better than it was on folly but definitely viable still
river glen
well
cobalt pewter
hollow sierra
are those numbers pure projectiles? don't think you'll have alot of luck true melee'ing providence
cobalt pewter
AotE is post ML tho
zenith hazel
^
cobalt pewter
If you wanna compare something with Terratomere, I guess the closest would be Grand Guardian or the sword thing from Meld
I don't do melee much outside of true meme, so idk
jovial spire
how do mana regen potions not help much
cobalt pewter
Mana Regen Potion is broken tho?
river glen
and distibutable
cobalt pewter
Byeah, comparing Terratomere with AotE is kinda irrelevant to me because one is post Cultist and another is post-ML
leaden elbow
I think terratomere itself is fine, I just think it needs a variant for between moonlord and polterghast for example
hollow sierra
doesn't mana regen only work if you stop shooting
cobalt pewter
Since Terratomere has somewhat true melee capabilities, you can compare it to Grand Guardian
Which is pure true melee
jovial spire
yeah all mana regen works that way
leaden elbow
since the only reason anyone makes terratomere is to use it for moonlord and drop it after
cobalt pewter
And GG is post cultist as well
zenith hazel
regardless of the boss, there's no point in comparing terratomere vs ark
considering the power gap between those 2 is practically very significant
jovial spire
and yeah ark should be better, it's a whole tier above it
leaden elbow
the entire suggestion is based around a terratomere variant thats about the same level as the ark :/
summer sentinel
Mana polarizer is prehm so that should help too
jovial spire
though i do wish terratomere was available earlier
cobalt pewter
Ark is post ML
zenith hazel
yea, but why does it need to have an upgrade exactly?
river glen
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cobalt pewter
While Mere is post Cultist
leaden elbow
I just love using terratomere and am upset at the fact that you use it for about 5 mins in the entire playthrough
thats why
zenith hazel
what purpose does it serve besides unnecessary exoblade crafting bloat
cobalt pewter
Different power levels as brav said
zenith hazel
and lunar events
jovial spire
imo it'd be way better to just
river glen
true
jovial spire
have it be obtained ealier
zenith hazel
and early post-ML
leaden elbow
might as well make it a 5 minute lasting consumable and remove the weapon completely
jovial spire
it used to be after cultists and could be used for pillars, deus, and ML
cobalt pewter
Also Mana Regen pot is big broken, it can keep you up way until endgame
zenith hazel
you can practically say that to the deus weps + astral bar weps
jovial spire
i'd prefer it to be like that again ngl
river glen
@cobalt pewter early game tho
leaden elbow
wait how do you use it early post moonlord?
cobalt pewter
It's somewhat a common option aside from Mana Flower
jovial spire
considering what you have to go through for it
zenith hazel
what makes terratomere any different?
hollow sierra
So since mana regen potions are completely useless because not firing is the worst thing you could be doing during a fight, what if that potion also gave you some mana usage reduction
leaden elbow
just get a dps meter and test it out yourself
river glen
Brav, u can also say that to the DoG weapons
jovial spire
terratomere has a buhge crafting tree
zenith hazel
yes, that's why we plan to make terratomere strong, but not too strong
jovial spire
thats what kmakes it different. i disagree but there is a difference there
zenith hazel
if you don't get a melee drop for ML, terratomere would still be a usable option for early post-ML until you get ark
leaden elbow
why are we talking about buffing it when the suggestion is about an upper tier terratomere?
river glen
Brav, u can just get stellar contempt
leaden elbow
its weak compared to anything post moonlord yeah
zenith hazel
until you get a good melee wep
river glen
its right after mon lord
zenith hazel
is that better wording?
river glen
sure
zenith hazel
good.
river glen
i guess it does good enough
leaden elbow
heres a cool comparison brav, I just made nuclear fury right after terratomere, and even when I'm wearing my melee set/accesories the nuclear fury does more damaeg
and they are built for just about the same thing
zenith hazel
that should not be possible
leaden elbow
test it yourself
jovial spire
thats post ml
zenith hazel
terratomere should be getting all the perks from the melee bonus
even then, why are you comparing 2 different tiers?
leaden elbow
@jovial spire yes and the point I'm making is that terratomere is weak compared to post ml items
zenith hazel
that's because it's pre-ml
jovial spire
terratomere is pre ml though
leaden elbow
because the suggestion is about making a new tier for the terratomere
river glen
ok wtf am i hearing
jovial spire
i agree terratomere is too irrelevant, but making it viable for post Ml or givign it an upgrade isnt the right colution i feel like
exotic stag
we all know
jovial spire
I feel like a far better solution would to be to move it earlier on
leaden elbow
could you guys re-read the suggestion because I updated it a couple mins ago
pine star
Oh
exotic stag
i agree with celest
river glen
TERRATOMERE IS PRE MOON LORD RIGHT.....
NUCLEAR FURY IS POST MOON LORD...... there is a huge damage difference from pre moon lord -> post moon lord
zenith hazel
yea, I re-read it, the first sentence is still a problem
river glen
its like compaing celestus to skullmasher
leaden elbow
jesus how hard is it to understand such a simple suggestion
exotic stag
moving it earlier instead of buffing is a better idea
leaden elbow
I can't
river glen
cuz none of us can get it
zenith hazel
I know for a fact terratomere should be outperforming most of the melee weps around the same tier
leaden elbow
my english limits me
zenith hazel
that's why it's on the nerfing list for next update
exotic stag
btw its just comparing basically fallen paladin hammer to galaxy smasher
pine star
Yeah
leaden elbow
for 5 mins
zenith hazel
so?
zenith hazel
that's the point of the deus weps + astral bar crafts, so you have an easier time of killing ML
pine star
Yep
leaden elbow
quick question, is calamity source code open source?
zenith hazel
nope
jovial spire
no
pine star
NO
zenith hazel
never will
exotic stag
leaden elbow
ah
river glen
@leaden elbow why
pine star
leaden elbow
was just gonna make my own version of terratomere
river glen
open
pine star
WHAT
river glen
What??
pine star
WHY THO
leaden elbow
eh why not
leaden elbow
yeah was thinking of making my own mod
river glen
THEN DO IT
zenith hazel
anyway, that's not relevant
leaden elbow
but without source code its kinda hard
zenith hazel
hydreigon, calm down
exotic stag
uh no
river glen
omfg
leaden elbow
yeah nvm, we can just delete the suggestion, I'll just make my own version of the sword
zenith hazel
well that worked out better than I hoped
river glen
well
pre boss
as soon as ur start
to ~EoW
thats early game
thats like the longest part for mages
hollow sierra
So how come mana flower isn't enough
river glen
relying on it as a crutch
robust lava
I like mana management being a limitation of early game mage
rose jewel
The cuffs?
robust lava
I just don't think mages should have the issue of managing mana solvable right from the beginning of the game. You should have to care about mana for at least some portion of the start of the game, so adding a simple mana regen accessory would invalidate some of that
rose jewel
Yeah I’ve felt that before that you can’t attack
rocky needle
I really don't think mana regen potions are hard enough to obtain that an accessory would be warranted
rose jewel
There are the cuffs if you wanna go the hard way for regen
robust lava
That requires Goblin Invasion tho, which can be an ordeal pre-boss
hollow sierra
goblins have no failure state so its just a matter of time until you get 100%
you can get some pretty hefty weapons pre-boss too
minishark, blade of grass, diamond staff
and you have that 25% pre-boss DR to help
cobalt pewter
Would suggesting that Ball of Chain be used as a vanity put beside dash accessories (for specific dash disables) be a bit far-fetched?
pine star
IMO no
hollow shell
wdym?
dapper coral
i think he's saying that if you have a certain dash accessory you wanna disable, you put it in the vanity slot next to that dash accessory and it disables only that one
in addition to having it as an inventory all-dash toggle
swift wharf
i mean yea having a chained ball would be helpful to see that your dashes are disabled
summer sentinel
first calamity needs to add a snow globe recipe before they can add more onto the frost legion event
sand umbra
Frost Legion lole
summer sentinel
It could just get a post-ML buff treatment but that's it
cobalt pewter
Frost Legion lole
i think he's saying that if you have a certain dash accessory you wanna disable, you put it in the vanity slot next to that dash accessory and it disables only that one
Exactly what I meant ye, I'm bad at words past 12am
Lemme try suggesting it
stone sable
first calamity needs to add a snow globe recipe before they can add more onto the frost legion event
if they kept it to Christmas only it would be a great excuse to add the very least that they possibly could
cobalt pewter
christmas only frost legion is bad, there's literally nothing Christmas about Frost Legion echmega
pine star
stone sable
you uhh... you get santa
maybe add a friggin dreidel weapon or something idk
just a random throwable
pine star
or a santa snowman
foggy plover
god ok so this is sorta a meme but
what if I dont want ball and chain vanity
but I want dashes disabled
dapper coral
then you use the inventory function of it
foggy plover
I think this is possible, seems like a decent idea
always thought all dashes being disabled was a bit
over the top
dapper coral
is gud idea
swift wharf
so, having it on ur inv = all dashes disabled
in a certain acc slot = only that dash
?
foggy plover
I could see potential problems if you were to say
robust lava
That is the current suggestion
robust lava
Equipping more than one dash already can cause problems
swift wharf
also how i am supposed to be fashion if some of my slots are balls of chain
sand umbra
make them FASHIONABLE balls of chain, of course
you can make anything look decent if you try hard enough 
pine star
radiant meadow
iirc if Elysian Aegis is lower than Evasion Scarf, you get elysian dash and vice versa
vanilla dashes are just fuck to play around
so just put the dash you want in the lowest acc slot
stone sable
make them FASHIONABLE balls of chain, of course
I didn't know calamity had bdsm
sand umbra
daily reminder that 1.4 introduced summoner torture kink to vanilla
unreal viper
Bruh
pine star
swift wharf
i like how that one is just one legendary not the entire thing
gray nebula
epic
dapper coral
if your sole reason for making blossom flux expert-mode is so that you can make drat, then maybe you should suggest removing it from the recipe in favor of something else, instead of changing a single item that would mess up the whole scheme of legendaries @hollow holly
swift wharf
i mean
if you are in the place of progression
that you can craft drata
you can just kill plantera in rev?
hollow holly
I'm in a playthrough that is pretty strict about mode changing
and no one else in the playthrough has this problem
swift wharf
you can just turn on-off the mode
hollow holly
i know, but my playthrough group doesn't want to
heady lichen
isn't the blossom flux in the drat for an accomplishment someone did?
Like I'm pretty sure someone nohitted with only blossom flux and they got dratolornius added for them
hollow holly
yeah
heady lichen
you can't really suggest to change weapons that were made for a specific person I think
swift wharf
unless they are ok
hollow holly
I'm basically only asking them to make drataliornus availble to expert mode players
heady lichen
you can always cheat it in or change modes
just switch to another world
and get it there
if the people in your current pt are against changing difficulties in the current world
swift wharf
ye that also works
craggy stratus
blossom flux is the only legendary that crafted into something right, kinda
dapper coral
cosmic discharge
swift wharf
theres the apotheosis one
dapper coral
becomes apotheosis
swift wharf
so bad i forgot the name hueh
dapper coral
but yes, those two are the outliers