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#suggestions-discussion
earnest cape
I just love the vampire knives :<
earnest cape
i do not know in all honesty
earnest cape
perhaps
cobalt pewter
I was talking specifically about Bloodflare line
cobalt pewter
That's
dapper coral
@ashen warren that video is rather outdated, spamclicking doesn't exist anymore
cobalt pewter
Already fixed
serene fox
you do it demik
frail mantle
that already exists
dapper coral
oop it's gone
summer sentinel
hi that was me
dapper coral
sneaky
dapper coral
(for future reference, please don't base suggs off someone else's yt video, only on your own experience)
earnest cape
actually the last update
dapper coral
this was a long time ago
earnest cape
^
ashen warren
Yea, I'm still playing on 1.4.5.001
That's why it's happened to me too
Sorry for that then
dapper coral
no worries
real steppe
instead of removing the fall boost completely, how about making it togglable instead?
those who want to keep it gets to keep it and those who doesn't does not
by favoriting it or something
if favorited the fall boost becomes active, if not then the fall boost gets inactive
serene fox
you can go ahead and suggest it
real steppe
fair
earnest cape
imagine not favoriting the NR 
real steppe
So does Providence make your screen super dark now when Holy Inferno is active?
earnest cape
when you're too far away yes
earnest cape
my suggestion isn't fully complete btw
real steppe
I definitely agree with your suggestion
Im afraid it may get that much stars since few are aware of the change for now
it seems
earnest cape
I'll try
I think getting to that point would be harder than I thought
nah scrap that for some reason when I want it to happen it's not happening
west jackal
Just realized the pickaxe sugg was brand new lol
summer sentinel
I didn’t even know they didn’t glow but for an endgame material yeah I agree they should glow
limber ocean
they probably should, yeah
tawny garden
Ooh! Shiny
crystal iron
Maybe instead of glowing, make it stand out a bit more, cuz like calamity, darkness and all, idk tho glowy sounds cool
hollow shell
How would we go about making it stand out in the dark without glowing?
craggy stratus
make the sprite have a white bg instead of transparent
summer sentinel
There could be a tiny aura around the essence, like a faint outline that helps shine it out
grim tusk
dapper coral
There could be a tiny aura around the essence, like a faint outline that helps shine it out
maybe do the thing dan's been talking about
dapper coral
which look really super epic
hollow shell
I remember seeing it on an important rare item drop and I thought it was cool and helpful cuz I wouldn't wanna miss it, and the aura helps it stand out a lot
(Weaver Key or w/e it was called, the thing that lets you get The Needle)
summer sentinel
isn't that what Dan did? it's just a faint outline alongside the perimeter of the essence to at least give it some shine if you don't want the entirety of the purple coloration of it to glow
river glen
can i suggest vanilla wepaon buffs
tawny garden
yes iirc
river glen
what about phaseblade buff
a weapon post evil boss
that is outclassed by every true melee option at that tier
and starfury
especialy
i guess i ca understand calam weapon > vanilla weapon but cmon have any of you EVER used phaseblade
summer sentinel
If you believe a phaseblade buff is warranted then sure, you can suggest it, but yes as it stands, it isn't used that much
tawny garden
is it better to use italics instead of caps if you want to draw attention to a word?
violet minnow
a phaseblade buff would be nice, the extra damage isnt really that much, only about 2500 per dash. That damage is not that valueable when it comes to late game bosses
zealous ridge
real quick mention on the calamitous essence visibility change, i remember something from 1.4 that might look nice on that
the treasure bags have a little aura around them, right?
hollow shell
Oh right, they do
zealous ridge
that might look really cool on essence
zealous ridge
void sash isnt exclusive to expert ye
(honestly idk about the items viability)
i thought it was fun in my playthrough but i could see it being less useful than other options i guess
as far as the aegis thing goes, like yeah
radiant meadow
I think it'd be easier to just swap dash lengths and it would get used
hot zephyr
^
hollow shell
The only solid benefits Void Sash has over Aegis is that it has much greater jump speed (which means much faster vertical flight) and its dashes have the homing projectiles, whereas Aegis's dash damage requires riskily dashing through the enemy
sleek hornet
that would still lock it to expert
armageddon exist (?)
radiant meadow
ninja dodge is pretty helpful if you get lucky
zealous ridge
ehh i dont know how i would feel about that
hollow shell
Sash's other effects are fall damage resistance (means nothing post-DoG, why wouldn't you be wearing wings) and the ability to climb walls (again, wings)
It does have the dodge, yes
zealous ridge
like i feel like it should still benefit most classes about equally
radiant meadow
bro, I use wall climbing in the scal fight, it kinda helpful
zealous ridge
youre almost always going to have those ontop of the dodge tho
hollow shell
use hook smh
serene fox
^
zealous ridge
so its always going to be beneficial
radiant meadow
hook can't be used to gradually slide down the wall
serene fox
hollow shell
Sure it can
move your mouse slightly below your character and mash E
winged linden
It needs another
foggy plover
it got nerfed a lot
winged linden
It makes lunatic cultist stupidly unfair because of the lifesteal and homing ability
dapper coral
when did you try it
hollow shell
What version of Cal is listed in your mod list
dapper coral
are you updated to the latest version?
winged linden
Does it auto update?
dapper coral
no
hollow shell
No
winged linden
When did it get nerfed
dapper coral
yesterday iirc
hollow shell
You gotta go into the browser and click Update All (for speed)
radiant meadow
like yesterday
foggy plover
yesterday night
winged linden
Ah that explains it
winged linden
Yeah ill delete my post
dapper coral
hollow shell
(tbf the nerf wasn't listed in changelogs like most balance changes, so you wouldn't've known that it changed with this update)
winged linden
But yeah it was stupid op LOL
summer sentinel
hook can't be used to gradually slide down the wall
I mean you can just fast grapple downwards though
winged linden
Malachite right-click worked best for deus tho
hollow shell
I beat you to it, Lauren
summer sentinel
heck
zealous ridge
anyways on da sash
i dunno if i want it to benefit melee disproportionately
moreso, just give melee buffs
alongside what it does now
radiant meadow
I don't understand why it needs to boost true melee damage
that's completely unrelated
zealous ridge
ig because evasion scarf does
winged linden
add evasion scarf to recipe 
radiant meadow
Sash isn't meant to be a mode locked item.
zealous ridge
mildly interesting idea
accessory shortens dash length by some amount, but decreases cooldown between dashes?
so you can dash more often but with less distance
winged linden
That might work
hollow shell
It would make more sense for the shield to have the shorter weaker dash
and the ninja belt to have the longer faster dash
hollow shell
Shields in concept have the purpose of protecting you, not giving you mobility
winged linden
I think its the other way around
zealous ridge
like the big bulky defensive thing gives you more mobility for some reason
zealous ridge
stronger?
hollow shell
It could be fine if the shields had long-cooldown longer dashes and belts had short-cooldown short dashes
If the belts resulted in greater MPH overall
zealous ridge
in general it would be a buff in some way to manuverability
winged linden
Honestly the best thing about the shield for me is the knockback immunity
zealous ridge
not even straight mph
winged linden
Which the sash doesnt have
zealous ridge
like, shorter cooldown on dashes means quicker turnarounds
winged linden
Yea
hollow shell
Yeah, more frequent dashes are more useful than further dashes, generally
It's to get you away from something, and if they're more frequent then you can get away from.. more things more often
winged linden
Could do something like
A dodge can heal the user
Like the arcanum
Just a bit tho
zealous ridge
like you mean the 10% chance dodge from mng?
winged linden
Yes
zealous ridge
dodge could do something offensive
as in, dodge and you release a cloud of darkness that rips things apart
winged linden
Maybe boost movement speed and jump speed
zealous ridge
i think that could make it more than just a worse aegis
by giving the sash utility in a different way
zealous ridge
rather than just having them be equal in dash stats
winged linden
Personally i would still use the aegis just for the knockback immunity tho
zealous ridge
or at least close enough to be worth using one over the other
well that would be the goal
winged linden
Fighting scal with knockback sounds like hell
zealous ridge
theres benefits from using one or the other, but also benefits for using both at once
winged linden
When you have both active
It prioritises sash dash
Ig
And does all the theoretical bonuses we said
Aegis guard ye
Only buff we can think of is reducing cooldown
For more frequent dashed
Maybe a boost to movement and jump speed when you dodge with the rng or something
Removing dash from aegis? 😬
No
pine star
NO
zealous ridge
or just base it off of visibility/order in slots
real steppe
imo just buff sash
winged linden
Its an endgame accessory
It should be good
Eh longer naj
Too long and you dash into stuff
winged linden
More frequent sounds like a much better idea, you also get those scythes so that would work well offensively
crystal iron
The void sash is a movement accessory right
winged linden
Yeah because scarf is rev+ only 🤪
crude geode
Fall resistance is incredibly dumb unless the way you get it is obtainable early game Bc otherwise wings/rocket boots just outclass it immensely.
crystal iron
I think maybe instead of the fall resistance add boosted flight speed or just change it for smth more useful
winged linden
Does fall damage still get disabled from wings if you use defiled rune?
crude geode
Pretty sure yes
serene fox
void sash would still be outclassed by elysian aegis tbh
crystal iron
Maybe give the player a few seconds of immunity after a successful dodge or smth
winged linden
Or just some movement buffs
crude geode
we can all agree it needs a buff, doesn't really need any more discussion, since it should be left up to devs
winged linden
📠
crude geode
fair really
heady storm
A lot of people around this server do, but a friendly reminder to not overdo it feels necessary.
heady storm
crude geode
I find the design of needing Draedon's Forge in order to craft his heart cool, but competing with the other post-dog accessories isn't something it can do.
crude geode
drae's heart is super good
it may be, but there's also class accessories, rampart of deities, CotBG, Asgardian Aegis, etc.
it's completely outclassed.
tawny garden
yeah
summer sentinel
void sash I feel is fine as it is, just not many people use it because asgardian aegis has a further dash anyways
tawny garden
it also gives you some stat increases
summer sentinel
people just much prefer the qualities the shield offers or elysian aegis does than just the sash because dodge chance is, sketch
tawny garden
instead of nothing
radiant meadow
Flipping the dash lengths is probably easiest I think
crude geode
yeah that would make sense
summer sentinel
draedon heart earlier in progression I'd be fine with, perhaps making it post polter instead
pine star
Yeah
summer sentinel
or post provi because of the billion cosmilite crafts that you can make and do that make draedon heart obsolete
@radiant meadow yeah, I think that's fair and probably the easiest
pine star
That said, it would be a bit funny that Draedon's heart isn't made at his forge
crude geode
tbh I'd prefer it much earlier. It's buffs are pretty situational, relying upon rage (lol) and horror to get the most out of it. Halving adrenaline loss is nice, but accessories are always competitive in calamity.
summer sentinel
perhaps it was alluding to a tier shift anyways then since it doesn't need a d forge?
tawny garden
just move Draedon's Forge a bit earlier, problem solved
summer sentinel
yeah Philo, let's off balance everything 
tawny garden
pine star
Also Draedon's Heart is no longer related to Horror
Instead Laudanum is an Ankh Charm on crack
It actually did though
red stormBOT
summer sentinel
yeah horror debuff got removed this update because frankly, nobody really liked the debuff and it was annoying
also draedon heart technically got buffed because the new effects of laudanum are nice
tawny garden
and no enemies inflict [[Marked]] now
red stormBOT
crude geode
Frankly, post-ml when are you going to be inflicted with the debuffs Laudanum applies buffs with?
summer sentinel
ragged casters give blackout for example and they get postml buffed
crude geode
That isn't a boss, and you'd only be fighting them in the process of making polter arena/farming phantoplasm.
summer sentinel
also to be fair, you can get laudanum prehm so if you're lucky, you will benefit from them greatly, I can see your point though, though draedon heart may need a change then, not just laudanum
crude geode
Exactly my point.
summer sentinel
Ideally you wouldn't just use laudanum postml because of other accessories, you can suggest an idea to improve laudanum but I think it's okay given when you can get it vs that it's used into
especially if draedon heart gets moved to logically post provi I think, it could take geodes and that'd work, maybe ueli bars
crude geode
The pieces of Draedon's Heart? Good in Non-Post ML
Combined in a Post DoG Acc? not good enough.
violet minnow
might have just forgetten to press shift enter and just pressed enter
tawny garden
it's a bug sugg
tawny garden
@coarse bronze ↑
dapper coral
go read the pins, check the doc in there for your bug, and then if it's not in there follow the bug report template
coarse bronze
crude geode
Frankly, I still would prefer Draedon's Heart to be not post-ml, since there's barely anything that applies the debuffs laudunum affects, and that leaves stress pills as the only good accessory making up draedon's heart post-ml (bc heart of darkness is rage and rage is bad. Heart of Darkness is good, but rage is just not good right now.)
dapper coral
no worries
mossy badge
but
draedons heart is draedons
i think
the current use should be moved to a phm item
draedons heart should be reworked completely
like
maybe draedon summon
crude geode
mmmmmmm no.
mossy badge
btu that goes away from suggs
crude geode
yes.
laudunum got reworked and is ankh shield but wackier, stress pills are generally good for adrenaline, and heart of darkness would be good if the rage mechanic wasn't trash for non-true melee. Draedon's Heart would be a good, like, Post Mech acc.
But the further and further you go in progression, the less laudunum matters, and the less you can justify using Draedon's Heart over any other good accessory, like Community.
heady storm
@solemn rain removed content and meme suggestions are don'ts.
unreal viper
@ashen warren you might wanna explain why aegis is better in more detail
pine star
We have Folly Feed
solemn rain
the mount is cute
summer sentinel
Is this about the new aegis blade as to why it's better? or in reference to the old one IHS? because it did get changed this update
pine star
It's about Asgardian Aegis
summer sentinel
oh I was thinking about aegis blade, I see
willow oar
is the mod stopped updating or what
sharp ibex
?
summer sentinel
The mod had just gotten updated yesterday and also this isn't the correct channel to ask this in
willow oar
where then
summer sentinel
in calamity mod talk for example
heady storm
#calamity-mod-talk funny.
glass sentinel
yea can you like read the channel names
ashen lark
aaaaaah they ruined my strat
they reworked everything in the perf fight as well
and then the fungal clump/blood crawlers killed the big perf in 2s
zenith hazel
what
dapper coral
but do i need to say more?
...yes
sleek hornet
you should give detailed loadout, kill time and difficulty etc
dapper coral
you can't ask to nerf two things in one and not know what dps you're getting or anything like that
radiant meadow
It would help if you did it again and figured out which one it was
ashen lark
no i was saying i couldnt figure out which one did the most damage.
found out
its the blood crawlers
zenith hazel
you mean scab ripper?
ashen lark
also made me thought of a new suggestion
you mean scab ripper?
@zenith hazel ye, the scab ripper summons them
radiant meadow
they summon baby blood crawlers so yes
sleek hornet
then you should give the detailed explanations about your loadout
zenith hazel
did anything even change about scab ripper during the hotfix?
sleek hornet
nope
zenith hazel
I severely doubt we have another vile feeder case on our hands
radiant meadow
no
ashen lark
it might just be a combo i found or a bug
the only other idea i have is that the worm reacted to the electrified buff weirdly and moved violently and killed itself with electrified. idk if that even is how it works but yeah
sleek hornet
hmm... tesla pot?
ashen lark
Voltaic battery
sleek hornet
jelly?
sleek hornet
its a post SG acc, no wonder why you kill them so fast, and i try to recreate it and doesnt behave like that
ashen lark
its a post SG acc, no wonder why you kill them so fast, and i try to recreate it and doesnt behave like that
@sleek hornet no...
It drops from ghost bells after DS has been defeated
unreal viper
hm
sleek hornet
wait... shit i misread
ashen lark
1 alch pot
ye, but i had 4 blood thingys + 1 inferno thingy
cinder blossom
thats the one
so if i just take the cinder blossom which didnt have time to attack the perf twice...
craggy stratus
Bewitched is post skeletron sir
ashen lark
tesla pots can't melt big perf worm
@zenith hazel ok nvm I think its a bug.
zenith hazel
I also spot thorium + souls mod in that screenshot so inb4 it's some mod conflict fuckery
ashen lark
Oh wait nvm
My streams just corrupted itself so much that blood crawlers look like the crimson background
zenith hazel
...what
zenith hazel
yea I still don't get it
ashen lark
Blood crawlers stacked on top of the tail and since it spawns like destroyer without pierce immunity, the rest is history's
cobalt pewter
Remove all mods aside from cal and try again
ashen lark
@cobalt pewter I literally just showed what happened. It doesn't have pierce immunity so it died in 2 seconds
cobalt pewter
Again, that could be because of the potential issues with other mods. Disable all of them and try again before recording with previous conditions
ashen lark
Oh cool, now I have to spend 200 hours doing this shit
No
Fucking do it yourself, you know how hard it would be to do?
foggy plover
then why does it need to change
ashen lark
To get them to spawn like that whilst perf spawns like that is winning the lottery
foggy plover
if its that hard to recreate its not necessary to add any resistance
river glen
just spawn them in
its your suggestion
u do the work
im not doing your work
if u have so much free time to stream
u can pull 20m to do it
dapper coral
alright latias, no need to go so far
ashen lark
if you want to suggest the change, you need to do the work
@dapper coral why does EoW, astrum deus and destroyer have the spawn immunity, add that or a pierce immunity like destroyers to the large perf, or leave in this oversight. Your choice, however you then have a very easy way to defeat the perf.
river glen
because its a dang boss
its a worm boss as well
and also because most of the time perfs spawn off screens
ashen lark
Yes, the large perf functions similarly to destroyer.
dapper coral
okay, but so far you haven't shown that it needs it
you have multiple non-calamity mods + you're saying that it's incredibly hard to reproduce
river glen
so u wont have that situation
cobalt pewter
I'm literally losing braincells
zenith hazel
if it’s an incredibly specific scenario then I don’t think we should account for that
dapper coral
plus your sugg itself is all over the place
zenith hazel
because again, rng is a factor
ashen lark
okay, but so far you haven't shown that it needs it
you have multiple non-calamity mods + you're saying that it's incredibly hard to reproduce
@dapper coral have to do a 5m fight multiple times.
5m+
zenith hazel
perfs only take 2 minutes at best
dapper coral
you're asking for a buff to one item, a nerf to another, and mentioning pierce immunity stuff which is irrelevant
river glen
just cheat in a weapon like archerfish to get there in 30s
dapper coral
have to do a 5m fight multiple times.
so, like has been said multiple times already
if it's so hard to reproduce, then it probably doesn't need it
cobalt pewter
It probably takes a bit of patience, but it's not like you're waiting to order a new popular game on Gamestop 8 hours before the store opens
ashen lark
then just cheat in better weapons
@river glen i didn't know calamity let you cheat stuff in, people said to disable all mods.
river glen
omfg
r u serious
common sense
does cheat sheet affect bosses in any way shape or form
craggy stratus
Afaik, it doesnt
river glen
ofc it dosent
dapper coral
you are allowed to use cheat sheet and calamity
when testing for these things
and music, if you want
(and latias, please try to stay civil)
hot zephyr
@ashen lark Do you have any clips of the scab rippers or recorded times? Something more than anecdotal evidence
radiant pawn
@ashen lark you cant really say you had a stream up, to then never post a link to the reuploaded stream lol
its like saying, here i have a stream proving cryogen is the hardest boss!!
and i dont post any links of the stream showing the massive difficulty spike it is, and just show screenshots and say ''i died in like 2 seconds lol''
dapper coral
yes, with a timestamp showing where specifically the thing occurs
radiant pawn
i was just giving an example, i dont find him extremely hard
hot zephyr
Nevermind
cobalt pewter
Phaseblade (and saber) will probably get only damage buffs
That's how it is for vanilla weaps
ashen lark
51:07 is spawn of perf
51:12 is death of perf
cobalt pewter
river glen
where is the link
ashen lark
portalis
@radiant pawn series name
dapper coral
please stay on topic
glass sentinel
oki, im thinking about writing a sugg about removing aotc's dryad blessing or nerfing moon speed
thoughts?
radiant pawn
that isnt piercing, thats almost an insane damage buff of some sort
river glen
moon speed?
radiant pawn
piercing is good, but not THAT powerful to shred a boss in seconds
serene fox
nerfing moon speed again 
ashen lark
Thats 4 blood spider things on the worm
radiant pawn
whats moon speed
serene fox
true
ashen lark
maybe u popped adredaline
@river glen nope
zenith hazel
why dryad's blessing of all things?
ashen lark
Go watch instead of... yknow, comment without experience.
glass sentinel
wdym
river glen
not u
glass sentinel
o
river glen
wert guy
zenith hazel
then what would ark inflict instead of dryad's blessing?
hot zephyr
The reason the scab rippers tore apart the final worm was because the worm spawned in a clump
glass sentinel
it doesnt scale, no
hot zephyr
Delete the sugg and make one about giving perf worms pierce resistance
Scab rippers are fine DPS wise
river glen
eh i will just do it
radiant pawn
with that in mind, just suggest that scab rippers should have higher iframes or smth
hot zephyr
Scab rippers don't even need a nerf IMO; vile feeders are x10 better
cobalt pewter
That's the issue specifically about perf in that case yes
glass sentinel
i mean in regards to the speed of the moons they literally go faster than you fall
radiant pawn
like idk, scab rippers dealing dmg every 2 ticks maybe?
glass sentinel
falling without buffs
cobalt pewter
Instead of just crumbling 3 unrelated issues into a single sugg
glass sentinel
such as feathfall or portal gun
summer sentinel
Dryad blessing doesn't scale, it's the same as it is in vanilla afaik
river glen
something along the lines of perforator worms should have pierce resistance when spawning in to have consistency with other worms/worm minions so they dont die instantly
cobalt pewter
river glen
should be written
glass sentinel
yea so dryads gives +8 defense
hot zephyr
Scab Rippers tore apart the worms because everything tears apart the worms; if you were using jester arrows you'd have an even greater effect
glass sentinel
and like more health regen
river glen
yeah ik
glass sentinel
so imo its pretty bad
river glen
so just spawn resistance
glass sentinel
at the stage of scal
summer sentinel
You can suggest dryad scaling in hm and postml much like how warding does, that'd be a good one
glass sentinel
You can suggest dryad scaling in hm and postml much like how warding does, that'd be a good one
river glen
like that
hot zephyr
Give Perforator worms pierce resistance upon spawning
❔ : Perforator worms in the current patch are very easy to kill due to the nature of how worm AI spawns and the lack of piercing resistance. Giving Perforators pierce resistance will better balance the fight; especially in cases when the player builds up adrenaline in the Hive phases of the fight to use once the worm spawns in.
river glen
i feel like a lot of vanilla weapons arent being buffed and are sitting as shitty weapons
hot zephyr
There, I did the suggestion for ya
summer sentinel
How much pierce resistance would you want? @zenith hazel What do you think of this sugg because Perf worms have gotten changed a bit
river glen
**Give Perforator worms VERY HIGH pierce resistance upon spawning to prevent instantly evaporating
**
Perforator worms in the current patch are very easy to kill due to the nature of how worm AI spawns and the lack of piercing resistance. Giving Perforators pierce resistance will better balance the fight; especially in cases when the player builds up adrenaline in the Hive phases of the fight to use once the worm spawns in. This will also give consistency with other worms bosses/minions and should prevent cheesing of the worms
sturdy geyser
you can both suggest at the same time now
radiant pawn
@hot zephyr you could phrase the beginning this way: ''Perforator worms in the current patch sometimes spawn in a clump, giving opportunity for any tipe of piercing weapons to shred through them easily''
hot zephyr
It's a good number but it's best to not give specifics imo
zenith hazel
eh seems ok
hot zephyr
Instead of saying "90%" you could say "high piercing resistance"
radiant pawn
any % that doesnt lower their health to <75% in mere seconds
hot zephyr
IMO the easiest way to kill perfs is to stall during the hive phases and build up adrenaline to burst down worms
craggy stratus
^
hot zephyr
Them lacking pierce resistance just adds to it
ashen lark
Scab rippers don't even need a nerf IMO; vile feeders are x10 better
@hot zephyr ye, I think its the actual boss
sleek hornet
Dryad blessing doesn't scale, it's the same as it is in vanilla afaik
actually in 1.4 all npc gets stronger when you kill a boss
hot zephyr
I'm like 99% sure any bow + Jester Arrows & adrenaline can kill the worms before the adrenaline ends
radiant pawn
im sure meteor rounds could do the job even better
ashen lark
Give Perforator worms pierce resistance upon spawning
❔ : Perforator worms in the current patch are very easy to kill due to the nature of how worm AI spawns and the lack of piercing resistance. Giving Perforators pierce resistance will better balance the fight; especially in cases when the player builds up adrenaline in the Hive phases of the fight to use once the worm spawns in.
@hot zephyr I didnt use adrenaline and killed in 5s
radiant pawn
boulder meta 
river glen
**Give Perforator worms VERY HIGH pierce resistance upon spawning to prevent instantly evaporating
**
Perforator worms in the current patch are very easy to kill due to the nature of how worm AI spawns and the lack of piercing resistance. Giving Perforators pierce resistance will better balance the fight; especially in cases when the player builds up adrenaline in the Hive phases of the fight to use once the worm spawns in. This will also give consistency with other worms bosses/minions and should prevent cheesing of the worms
wert he isnt talking about you lol
river glen
how does this look
hot zephyr
Looks good to me
river glen
ok its there
radiant pawn
he's giving a case scenario where you have built up adrenaline, a piercing weapon, and make a fucking bbq with the shredded meat
hot zephyr
IMO if I had creative control over the fight; i'd make worms automatically spawn after a set period of time to prevent adrenaline stalling on the hive phase
ashen lark
Give the large perf worm a protection per segment until each segment is 15 tiles away from its spawn location
I recently thought the perf hive as a summoner, and a thing I noticed is that the blood crawlers stacked on the large perf and killed in 4/5s exactly. This isn't good as its a very easy weapon to get, only requiring shade wood, tissue samples & crimtane bars. Adding immunity to this will cause the perf to not get oneshot and allow it to be a challenging but fair fight again. (If you don't want to spend much time on it you could add something like deus temp)
This is what I put, 99% worded at least one thing wrong
radiant pawn
a better idea would be spawning the worms DIRECTLY from the hive
but i guess it doesnt make sense lore wise idk
hot zephyr
it'd actually be easier to kill in that scenario
since they're always going to spawn in the same predictable spot
radiant pawn
yea, but giving it the extra dr when they spawn, and making them dig onto the floor faster would make them harder to spawn kill
river glen
so u dont get suprsie
radiant pawn
in my opinion at least
ashen lark
Make the hive dash like BoC and then spawn one
radiant pawn
no
glass sentinel
done
river glen
wtf
glass sentinel
how's it
river glen
seems fine
ashen lark
Idk if I gave right example tbh
radiant pawn
@glass sentinel the wording is kinda weird
river glen
soo 👍
radiant pawn
but sounds neat
river glen
u can just change it
glass sentinel
so very rushed
river glen
later
glass sentinel
lmao
radiant pawn
oh no worries
river glen
anyone with decent english can understand it
radiant pawn
i mean that how ''Not to mention'' is kinda out of nowhere
you can shortly describe how pointless of a buff it becomes later in the game, AND THEN explain how hard it is to apply too
im probably nitpicking at this point lol
hot zephyr
Make the Dryad's Blessing buff scale with progression
❔ : In the earlygame, Dryad's Blessing is an amazing buff that can turn the tide in battle. However, as the game progresses, the Dryad's blessing buff loses it's usefulness as the decision on what to fill buff slots with gets more difficult. Increasing the buff's strength as the player progresses through the game will let the Dryad's Blessing buff stay relevant in comparison to Calamity's plethora of new and exciting buffs.
cobalt pewter
With Calamity progression
hot zephyr
Feel free to use it
ashen warren
I feel like recoding a buff to scale up is gonna be a lot of work
hot zephyr
I don't necessarily agree with the change; I just like persuasive writing
hot zephyr
Sure, go for it.
hot zephyr
No problem
I can help anyone with suggestion wording; just give me a ping if ya ever need help in the future
glass sentinel
art class really makes my english shit
hot zephyr
Even if I don't necessarily agree with the suggestions, I think community suggestions are neat
glass sentinel
fair
now how about my moon nerf sugg
ping me if yall have a thing to say 'bout the sugg
serene fox
mmkay
hot zephyr
The Blood Moon nerf sug?
hot zephyr
Oh
Eh, I think that's down to personal opinion really
I haven't fought Scal in awhile but last time I fought her I thought the brimstone moons were challenging, but I didn't think they were necessarily overpowered.
serene fox
they got a fat buff a while ago
so could be talking about old moons
which were slow af
dapper coral
ah
hot zephyr
I've got an idea for a Blood Moon suggestion but I need to bounce ideas off of some people first. Would ya'll mind if I talked about blood moons?
cobalt pewter
Throw it in I guess
hollow sierra
imaging putting a dryad house in the middle of your arena just to get blessed
i feel like its area is more of a reason of it not being useful than anything else
hard mode bosses require alot more movement
hot zephyr
Alright, new sugg hot off the presses.
cobalt pewter
Mmm
dapper coral
dmode blood moons are insane, i mean i get the increased spawns but there's a difference between high spawnrates and just leaving the game for 9 minutes because you can't do anything against the literal 100 mobs there are
hot zephyr
Exactly my point.
dapper coral
(i recently experienced my first dmode blood moon, in case you couldn't tell )
but yes, agreed
cobalt pewter
Down with the idea
Literally no complaints
Buffs like these should scale more smoothly imo
hot zephyr
You get mobbed HARD even on the pre-boss surface which is the easiest biome to survive a blood moon in.
dapper coral
@fringe otter are those numbers the damage in the tooltip of the yoyos or the dps?
hot zephyr
Imagine you're about to go into the Underground Jungle for the first time and a BLOOD MOON starts.
zenith hazel
pandemic just got buffed this update
dapper coral
oh
hollow sierra
i'm always happy when i see a blood moon early on, getting a solid amount of orbs to have some potion flexibility is quite nice
hot zephyr
What mode do you usually play in, Chrono?
hollow sierra
mode?
hot zephyr
normal/expert/rev/death?
hollow sierra
death
hot zephyr
Alright
hollow sierra
rev doesn't have enough enemies to really get any orbs
hot zephyr
The spawn multiplier could probably max out by the time you've defeated an evil boss
hollow sierra
unless you're farming the whole night for a potion or two
zenith hazel
and there it is, the alchnpc yoyo bag
hollow sierra
whereas in deathmode you can get enough for a potion fairly quickly
zenith hazel
@fringe otter
- refer to above, pandemic is already buffed in the newest update
- if you're going to do dps tests, do it with only calamity gear
hot zephyr
Then you've had enough time to find a decent piercing weapon and can fare better against blood moon enemies.
hollow sierra
How about this, make the spawn multiplier significantly lower if skeletron hasn't been defeated, as you need the alch table to utilize orbs anyway
summer sentinel
@glass sentinel your suggestion is fine, although you maybe want to take out the user mention in it since it seems a little...off?
hollow sierra
that also seems late enough in progression where you won't get overwhelmed by drippers and blood zombies
hot zephyr
@fringe otter Test damage w/ only Calamity gear and try to use kill times instead of DPS/damage
Once you're post-skeletron you can easily deal with 99% of pre-hm enemies
glass sentinel
pogu
summer sentinel
Brav's tested the pandemic in this update and it was fine kill times so it shouldn't need any change afaik
dapper coral
man's been pinged 3 times by now
cobalt pewter
lmao
visual wigeon
There should be an inverse at everyone ping where it just pings one person a million times
dapper coral
¯_(ツ)_/¯
visual wigeon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hot zephyr
the sugg: 
visual wigeon
Ok, about to make it two exclamations
hot zephyr
Try to add a reaction
violet dagger
glass sentinel
@glass sentinel your suggestion is fine, although you maybe want to take out the user mention in it since it seems a little...off?
@summer sentinel (sorry for ping) but i asked ian if he wanted to be credited and he said yes
so
🤷
and yes, self ping
summer sentinel
alright, was just curious, keep it in the suggestion then
ashen warren
A thumbs up reaction doesn’t guarantee it being added?
sand umbra
this latest sugg confuses me
I do not recall Pandemic ever being bad enough to need a significant buff
dapper coral
it got buffed in 1.4.5.004 apparently, which is why it's exclam'ed
waxen pine
ok i swear i just went through and ctrl f and saw nothing AAA
foggy plover
the entire point of RiVs
in seriousness were doing a bunch of rebalancing next update, it'll be handled regardless
distant gyro
yeah the problem is that rivs are just that
river glen
they are usually hard to grind for
distant gyro
if starmada gets tiershifted then so do norfleet
foggy plover
theres a few exceptions, like void vortex
but for the most part theyre just weird like that
distant gyro
see: conference call when conclave crossfire becomes post-cultist
waxen pine
the way i see it RNG shouldn't really be the only defense for it
foggy plover
please
sand umbra
rebrand all RIVs into alternate upgrade paths from similar trees, upgrades to the items they're RIVs of, or different items entirely
iirc
sign the petition to get Cryophobia out of RIV hell
foggy plover
already in consideration
foggy plover
reforging from unreal on the tinkerer has a chance to produce the RiV
sand umbra
...I'm tempted to repost that one sugg I wrote ages ago about making Cryophobia not a Magna Cannon RIV
distant gyro
what stops you from doing it
cobalt pewter
reforging from unreal on the tinkerer has a chance to produce the RiV
foggy plover
that was a joke feedzuh
cobalt pewter
funni, I didn't think it was a joke byech
Sugging something else related to raider talisman atm
foggy plover
raiders rework?
cobalt pewter
Minor rework, basically making the effect temporary to short time, but easier to get
foggy plover
damn, so not a full rework
cobalt pewter
I've always been iffy about the acc needing you to farm KS first in order to be potentially gud
I like the base concept of stacking bonus damage on crits
real steppe
do people use the Raider's Talisman?
real steppe
I mean the buff is good and all but its a pain to get stacks and you lose it when you die or reload
oh..
real steppe
huh, never knew that
cobalt pewter
Just clap them crits on the boss and you'll get easy rogue emblem pre boss
hollow shell
Quick question
Would the Cryophobia Magna separation sugg literally just consist of changing Cryophobia's rarity?
I don't think there's anything in-game that actually ties it to Magna Cannon
(or for that matter, any RIVs to their base items, if they come from different sources)
crude geode
Odd idea for a suggestion, but could the current boss health bar be changed? while the reference is a reference and funny, the fact it's just stuck in the corner of the screen is kind of annoying, and the actual health number is very small compared to the health bar itself.
Also the style is , which is mainly due to being funny reference
sand umbra
Would the Cryophobia Magna separation sugg literally just consist of changing Cryophobia's rarity?
I don't think there's anything in-game that actually ties it to Magna Cannon
(or for that matter, any RIVs to their base items, if they come from different sources)
I mean
yeah
changing rarity, probably increasing droprate or changing method of obtainment somewhat
definitely make it not just Magna Cannon but colder
either way I intentionally left the details of what the separation would actually entail past in the grand scheme of things vague
crude geode
(vague suggestions, my favorite )
crude geode
nope!
sand umbra
don't get it twisted, I'd love to suggest a more specific Cryophobia rebrand and rework
but that'd probably find some way to break the Don'ts
crude geode
Yeah, that's how I feel with some suggestions I make
sand umbra
and I'd rather not tread into that territory after managing to avoid it this long
crude geode
Fair
hollow shell
Make a sugg about giving active successful suggesters the ability to post SIS's 
cobalt pewter
does tom count as one
sand umbra
now that's some real tax evasion right there 
crude geode
Rover's always shaking the suggestion system
sand umbra
honestly if I wasn't sure it'd end with this weird hierarchy system where only the best suggestors survive and the rest live huddled in fear of the raw power the best have amassed I'd totally risk it for the biscuit in such a regard
you have no concept of how often I'll literally come up with a specific rework concept because of making, or even while writing, a sugg
and even if it's literally the best Calamity-related rework concept I've ever had I can't talk about it in the sugg itself because the suggestion Don'ts say so and I wanna remain the good boy I've been on that front
crude geode
Make a SIS channel
cobalt pewter
Rover you need to take responsibility for what you've done by introducing that idea
hollow shell
(In the past I planned to make a "No Rules Suggestions" server, where people can dump whatever suggestions they want, and they'll never get considered but it'll be fun)
(I still have it lying around)
crude geode
(I feel like strike-throughing an idea is similar to saying "haha...unless 😳 ", at lest when I use it)
wow incredible
cobalt pewter
big thonk
sand umbra
that icon
cobalt pewter
We tried indeed
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Agreed.
sand umbra
incredible
anywho yeah I've had a lot of rework ideas in the past
I wrote down and showed off some of them (hybrid wep expansion concept), programmed one or two of 'em (Pwnagehammer's original rework), and the rest are concepts nobody's ever seen
...and then once I just accepted the idea that none of my ideas will make it in or even be allowed for suggs post-SIS ban as a fact of life I ended up recycling some of those concepts for DD but that's not the point
cobalt pewter
Yee
cobalt pewter
Big brane
summer sentinel
devs can't even do thatr
sand umbra
yeah unfortunately even becoming a dev wouldn't be a guarantee
also I've kind of accepted it as a fact of life that me becoming a Calamity dev will quite literally never happen
and as far as I'm concerned, given that I have the massive undertaking that is DD to worry about already and that Calamity balance gave me a headache when I last worked with it, that is a good thing for me
crude geode
that's what I meant ^
cobalt pewter
h indeed
sand umbra
it's still a good idea to make suggs even as a dev
real steppe
you guys can code?
crude geode
Thomas yeah.
cobalt pewter
Thomas does ye
sand umbra
gauging community enthusiasm on changes of basically all types is an important part of keeping communication consistent and transparent
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
I'm starting up with coding stuff
real steppe
I think I should attend a coding class but money is always a problem
nice
tho all those free coding crash courses and stuff
they are a godsend
crude geode
Personally I would like to see some restrictions around specifics in suggestions be less restrictive, at least for long-time, trustable suggestors, but who knows if that would ever happen.
crude geode
Yes.
summer sentinel
yes
cobalt pewter
Yes
crude geode
of course
hollow shell
But otherwise yes :P
heady storm
Only for 1-2 days so eh.
cobalt pewter
Suggestions are quite well moderated that we don't need something like "suggestion nitwit" role
summer sentinel
They can just w a t c h Rover, lol
crude geode
Why did you ask @real steppe ?
hollow shell
Title line could be more descriptive
glass sentinel
perf's main body does more dmg then wormd if memory serves
crude geode
Ehhh tbh the reasoning on this one is kinda weak @sleek hornet
sleek hornet
hmm i cant think any good reasoning, maybe someone can help me?
tawny garden
It's fine imo
crude geode
It’s weak but ig it’s valid.
Actually, iirc boss health bloat does have an actual purpose in testing in some way (can’t remember how) unlike mob health bloating.
tawny garden
I heard that it was originally created because of some mod having op as fuck weapons
And people complained
That it was too easy
tawny garden
Think it was fargo
sleek turret
Ah yes.
tawny garden
sleek hornet
Tbh there's fargo master mode now
yeay now i can recreate playirime's true mastermode but in death-true master mode instead
sleek turret
fargo's master mode is kinda broken due enemies HP and damage can somehow exceed a lot.
river glen
thats pretty much master mode FTW
summer sentinel
I’m unsure the practicality of what a config to even exist for enemies like, what would be the point of it?
cobalt pewter
Fargo master mode exists for such masochists ig
summer sentinel
Indeed, because I just don’t see a need or frankly, any practical benefit as to why you’d want an hp enemy config because for example, if you make a dark sun mothron have a config for 10x more hp it has, that isn’t.... really helping you because nothing changes the outcome
ashen warren
Probably testing debuff DoT ?
wide flicker
Dps tests on a better target than the super dummy ig
tawny garden
hot zephyr
ah yes Master Mode in Calamity
ashen warren
I mean I would like it ngl
violet minnow
good suggestion, but would it be for all mods or only like rev+?
plain river
But still wormhole potions are busted
Multiplayer in general needs a revamp
Because it just does not work that well with calamity’s design
violet minnow
yah at least in rev and death, it can make some of the bosses overly favored for the player as you just keep respawning
it will probably bee gotten to eventually
dapper coral
there is a mod called Better Multiplayer, which may have the thing you are suggesting
river glen
what about suggestion to buff post mon lord yoyos
because terrarian is your most viable yoyo for phase 1 dog
and solar flare for phaes 2
and they reach a dps of 6k
max
which shows how little dmg yoyos do
and they are solely limited to yoyo bad
too ntot make it trash
radiant meadow
what about verdant and lacerator?
hot zephyr
Bosses in Melee are already extremely stacked towards the player's side; changing wormhole potions won't fix that
radiant meadow
(and are you using yoyo bag?)
hot zephyr
Yoyos are boring/bad in Calamity because there's no accessories for them
Instead of slapping more %100 damage multipliers on them, let's get an elemental yoyo bag or something
dapper coral
tbf terrarian got a mega buff recently innit
tawny garden
double buff
triple buff
MEGA BUFF
hot zephyr
You can keep buffing yoyos forever but they'll still be inferior to tradition melee weapons due to the lack of actual accessories
radiant meadow
Other melee types don't have any special accessories. It's just yoyo bag
limber ocean
wouldn't that fall under the "buffing a specific subclass during a particular section of the game" don't?
hollow shell
Unsure, I'd need more details from Hydre
Depending on how it's presented it could be valid or not valid
hot zephyr
I mean, true melee weapons have dedicated accs
@limber ocean Exactly why I'm not stating a formal suggestion, but something I've noticed
foggy plover
I still dont understand why so many people want to try to balance mp bosses
hot zephyr
I feel like health scaling in multiplayer could be higher but otherwise; nah
foggy plover
I agree with that, hp config works, but eh
fringe cloak
I dont think just hp buff would help, I feel like that would just make the fight longer rather than harder
There should be something to keep all the players looking around, dodging and flying around at all times, bit like guardians during providence fight
sand umbra
so why does this need to be a Calamity change specifically
hollow shell
Maybe I should make a Don't for these suggestions, redirecting people to Better Multiplayer?
Cuz these are good changes for unfucking inherent multiplayer balance
but they do already exist in Better Multiplayer
dapper coral
i think so, ye
summer sentinel
I'd say so yeah because better mp does a good job at doing what the recent sugg suggested
tawny garden
Or, as Thomas suggested
If there is a fairly known mod that does the suggested thing, disallow the sugg
hollow sierra
what exactly is better about better multiplayer